The Other Side of Fear
The most important life hack you'll need: A Holistic Guide to Get You Unstuck.
Self improvement topics covering mental health, trauma, limiting beliefs, mindset, spirituality, energy healing, mindfulness, and purpose.
The Other Side of Fear explores thought provoking stories about the types of fears that are triggered by our individual insecurities, conditioning and traumas. We examine the role of societal conventions and how they function as a strong determinant, in how we often choose to address our most personal struggles.
Our guests discuss how they navigate through various challenges, while taking ownership of their true desires. Giving you a gentle push, to live in a way that honors your authenticity. What does it mean to lean into fear? How can we recreate our stories and embrace the unknown? What does the other side of fear look like for you?
This is a reminder that, your fears are as big and as scary as you allow them to be. Your purpose is greater than the fear that hinders you.
Are you ready to unlearn and undo the old programs and reconnect with your truth?
The Other Side of Fear
Creating A New Reality Through Holistic Healing | with Linn Rivers
Key Takeaways:
- Somatic interventions are also another means of working through our traumas and often compliments the various psychological and spiritual modalities of healing.
- We create our reality with what we continue to feed energy into.
- The importance of not completely numbing the body with medication during the transitioning of a dying person.
Stepping into the realm of healing and personal transformation can feel like navigating a labyrinth, but our guest, Lynn Rivers, lights the way with her inspiring journey from the depths of family illness and loss to supporting others in creating a healthier way of being. She opens up about embracing life's final moments with courage and clarity, sharing how this bold approach has reshaped her perspective on well-being. Her story is a testament to the strength found in facing mortality head-on, and it offers a fresh view on living fully in a society that tends to turn away from death.
We reflect on how our pasts, marred by cycles of family trauma, can either bind us or spur us to break free and forge a new path for ourselves and future generations. Empowerment is the cornerstone of our discussion, as Lynn and I dissect the transition from feeling like victims of our circumstances to becoming architects of our destinies.
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One important tidbit from this conversation is just how easily we often fall victim to our past. And of course it is expected to a certain extent, because a lot of our habits, values and beliefs are informed by our past experiences, especially the things we observed and experienced during our formative years. So, whether we see these things in a positive or negative light, we cannot ignore the lasting impact that often permeates through various areas of our lives. And when we bring the negative, possibly traumatic, experiences to the foreground, for some of us we just can't seem to get away from it. But it is important that in all of this we recognize our agency, as our guest Lynn Rivers reminds us that we are responsible for what we are creating and as adults we have a choice to make to continue to allow our past to have power over us or to shed the hard shell of victimhood. But before we get into it, I encourage you to join our Patreon, where you'll have access to bonus content you won't see anywhere else, plus community discussions and our Ask Me Anything conversations, and there are many other exciting things to come. You can also join just because you value our work and want to support what we do. It's difficult because religion and society. It makes it so much harder for us to face that, to deal with that, to think about it, to talk about it, to plan for it, because it tells you that it's this scary thing and where you might go and what you might encounter and all these things.
Speaker 1:And that wasn't my experience. My experience was actually very positive when I had that near-death experience and it was positive and it was helpful in a lot of ways. I still have some residual, maybe physiological issues. I have issues with my memory sometimes because of that, because of what happened to me, but outside of that I'm okay. But the effect that it had on me, the takeaway for me, was positive, right.
Speaker 1:So I totally get that and I totally understand why you went into that field as a debt doula, because you've experienced so much death with your family and then your partner, so that in itself is so hard. But I just wanted to say that that is such an important work, though, because of the fact that there are so many people who may be ill and facing death and it might be scary for them. Some people are afraid of what they might encounter on the other side and having someone there to offer that comfort, to even hold your hand. It means the world, so I think that was really cool. So I just wanted to ask you about that really quickly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd love to say one more thing about the death doula ship.
Speaker 2:It really showed me also how important it is to experience your own death. We put people on IVs and we put them on all these things while they're dying. Like there's a study out there at this time that they found that people who are actually able to experience their death have a much easier transition. They're not as fearful. They allow themselves to feel the pain while they're going through the moment of death, because then they're actually in their body and experiencing this moment that we're actually supposed to experience. We're supposed to experience her birth, we're supposed to experience our death and we're numbing people now and that actually gives them more of a fear going into the moment of death because they're not able to actually fill their body and feel that release, and so there's a beautiful study around that right now, and I think that was maybe one of my favorite things that I walked away from was remembering to remind people allow yourself to experience that moment of death, don't get shot up with all these drugs that are going to numb you.
Speaker 2:It's going to make the transition feel so much more painful, like as far as a mental component is concerned, it's going to be a more painful experience, whereas when you're releasing from the place of illness, it's like that release of like oh, I get to go and I don't have to experience this anymore, you know, and it's like a beautiful release from that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is so true. I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I want to ask you as well, what was your first step towards your healing journey, because I know, like maybe you learning and studying to be a death doula was probably even a part of that, considering what you experienced. What was that first, I guess, catalyst to your own healing, coming out of a lot of that trauma that you experienced?
Speaker 2:So, honestly, the first part for me was diving into holistic nutrition, and that's because my mom died when I was. It was four days after my 15th birthday and I got on this kick of. I wanted to know why all my family, why they were dying, and for me it wasn't making sense and I had to start. That's where I started questioning the Western medical system and why my family kept getting sicker when they went to go see them and why they weren't getting better. And so I started, when I was 15, really trying to understand illness from a different perspective. I mean, I, my mind, was way on another trajectory than most people my age and so when I turned 18,.
Speaker 2:The first thing I did was I started going to school for holistic nutrition and that alone shifted my being, because I started correcting hormonal imbalances, because my diet was affecting a lot of things that were going on with my hormones. My hormones were affecting my mental stability, and so that alone gave me a completely different perspective into my body and to what I was capable of doing. I mean, I got rid of my childhood. I had asthma my entire childhood and was in and out of the hospitals, and by switching one thing in my diet, I got rid of the asthma right, and that was something they're like oh well, you're just going to have this.
Speaker 2:The rest of your life and keep you on steroids and keep you on all this stuff, and I got rid of it from one thing, and then I got rid of a bunch of other things, and so that is where my healing journey started was tapping into my body and what it meant to be healthy Now. Did it take me a long time to really understand the depth of healing in her body? Yes, but that was like the pivotal moment for me of there's something better.
Speaker 1:I love how you alluded to that mind-body connection, because you know, as you said, what you were eating was affecting your hormones, and then your hormones affected your mental health, and this is something that a lot of people they don't realize just how much every system in your body is literally connected. One always gives feedback to the other, and so it always affects your overall well-being. So I think that what you're doing is pretty cool. Are you working with herbs as well? Are you working with herbal supplements?
Speaker 2:So that's actually a really good question, because one of the links in my course is about supplements and herbs and why I don't tend to use herbs on people who are dealing with certain conditions. Because there are these plant compounds called solicilates and they're technically they're neurotoxins If they don't get digested properly in your body. And solicilates actually are linked to autism. They're linked to aggression, depression, eczema, you name it. There's so many different symptoms that solicilates are linked to, and we tend to go extreme.
Speaker 2:So when people start eating vegetables, right, they eat a lot of them, thinking that that's been official for them, instead of remembering like, hey, when we used to be healthy, we had a protein, we had a carb and we had a green, we didn't overload our plate with one or the other. And now we're eating so many of them that it makes people genuinely mentally sick. And for myself, I found out that I had a solicilate intolerance and when I cut those out, I mean I became a completely different person. Like I can't even tell you how extreme my life changed from just removing those. But herbs are extremely high in solicilates and so if your body is not able to break them down, if your liver is not functioning properly if you have methylation issues.
Speaker 2:I'm getting a little bit geeky here, but there's a lot about our system that if it is being set off and we're not able to process what we're eating and we're eating too many of these chemicals, they really affect us in harmful and negative ways.
Speaker 2:So herbs are one of those things where it's not a one size fits all. Not everyone can tolerate them, and so it's really based on in that part of the course. I talk about things that you want to look for, like if you're having any of these symptoms, don't use herbal supplements, and it also counts into like don't eat these certain foods because they're going to continue setting your body off and you need to heal your gut microbiome before, because what's happening in your gut is massively affecting your mental capacity. We found that it's over literally 88% of our serotonin is made in our gut which affects our mood, and we're diving into a bunch of that right now. Obviously, it's like a really big thing happening in the world, but the bigger thing is herbs will negatively affect a person if they cannot handle them, and so it's we live in a society where everyone like oh, did you try this herbal supplement?
Speaker 2:Take this, it's going to feel great. And I remember when I was in school at Pacific College of Oriental Medicine, one of my teachers, while she was doing acupuncture on me, she's like here, take these herbs. And it set me back like five years of healing that I did.
Speaker 2:And she's like oh, my God, she's like how did these almost kill you, and so that's when I started diving into research about that and finding out like these plant chemicals are extremely hard on the body if you do not have a proper digestive system, which a lot of people don't. And so, yeah, very, very, very fine line about there is an extreme with herbal supplements. Most people should not be taking them. The ones that should be need to make sure that they're using them wisely, because it is a powerful supplement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. Not everyone can tolerate it, just like not everyone can tolerate medication. Not everyone can tolerate certain foods. It's the same goals for herbs Not everyone can tolerate herbs, like there are a lot of them that are really potent and you need to know how to use them if you're using them. So I want to know like is your holistic program? Is it based more on food, the foods that we ingest, and gut health keeping the gut healthy? And if so, I want to know what would be one of the number one problematic foods you could highlight that most people have an issue with? Or maybe it's just not good for your digestive health or it just ricks havoc on the body generally speaking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's a great question, and my course is based on diet, food, our organs and what they need, learning about the cellular functions of our body.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's the mental capacities, it's all of it and so there's a bit of everything in the course, like it's literally a 15 years of compacted information in this course and, as far as the one thing that I have found in studies, in research, in practice, in my own life, is that we eat way too many carbs for what our body is actually meant to process, and because of that, carbs spike your insulin, and so most people are walking around spiking their insulin multiple times a day when it's not meant to spike that high regularly at all, and high carb diets are the number one reason for insulin resistance, which then leads to prediabetes, which then leads to diabetes.
Speaker 2:This is the number one reason why people 50% of the population either has prediabetes or are diabetic. This is like the number one thing, and so my number one go-to is like if someone wants to start their healing journey and they want to receive quick results, lowering your carb count is going to be the best thing you can ever do for yourself, and people notice results within days, not weeks, not months, but they notice immediately how their body feels and that's because you're lowering that insulin spike. For some people, if they've been in like a bad insulin resistance pattern for years and years, it can literally take months for your insulin levels to like actually balance out, but you notice immediately.
Speaker 2:You notice the changes and you notice your body shifting your weight, changing your skin, clearing your mental capacity is coming back to a beautiful balance, and that's one of the biggest things for people to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that is so true because I've had the same experience whereby I think I did this anti-inflammation thing. I wouldn't say it's a diet, because that's pretty much just how I eat on a regular, but I started eating, I started practicing eating things that are more anti-inflammatory, and that included just taking out a lot of carbs out of my diet and I felt the difference. Like so quickly yes, so quickly it made such a huge difference, like my digestion was better, my sleep was better, I had more energy, my moods were better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you were actually able to function.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't have as much brain fog, and of course that takes into effect everything else that I was eating the greens, the veggies, the fruits, all that great stuff but the carbs alone just reducing the carbs a whole lot just took so much pressure off my system. There were times when I would go to sleep and I would wake up and my food wasn't properly digested, Right. So just eating like that, I wake up and my stomach is completely empty. My stomach isn't still trying to do something to the food that I ate the night before, so I totally get you on that. So, yeah, I love it, I love that.
Speaker 1:So this is a course that you offer to people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's actually. The beautiful thing is it's in the pre-launch phase, right now. So if people sign up for it before it releases, it's only $50 for people. Because I literally want people to have this information, because I feel like we should be learning this in school. Like the first thing we should learn about is our body. We all have one. It's our vehicle in this life. We should know how it works. Like we should be able to be like hey, something's off. Let me switch things up for a little bit so I can clear out right, instead of listening to people who are just guessing and throwing stuff at them, thinking like oh, we'll take this, maybe it'll help, or take this, maybe it'll help.
Speaker 2:And we all deserve to know this information, and I know that there are so many communities where they can't afford $3,000 to get all the information that they need in order to get better. Because that's what we were we were having to charge as functional medicine practitioners in order to get the testing done and everything for them.
Speaker 2:It has to be that much because insurance doesn't cover actually getting better. They only cover medications and like keeping the process of being sick going and so, yeah, if anyone buys my course during the pre-launch, it's 50 bucks for them. So yeah, I'm super excited about that.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love it, and it's so affordable. It makes it so easy for people to have access to better health, so I love it. I wanted to ask you as well, taking all of your experiences into consideration and everything that you've been through, can you identify anyone or two, I don't know, multiple, if you may something significant that has contributed to who you are today?
Speaker 2:So this is the backwards answer. But my family and who they were. So my dad he was an alcoholic and a very negative person, emotionally abusive, like, don't get me wrong, we had our great moments and I was daddy's little girls, a baby, when I didn't understand what was happening. But those are the people who influenced me most because I was able to see who I did not want to become. I didn't have role models in the sense of, oh, I look up to this person and I want to emulate that. I dug myself out of my own holes. I saw my own stuff. I had to find my own way into being who I am. But my father, like. There are moments where I thought in my life like, oh my god, it's my life going to be just like my dad's. He lost my mom early on. He was chronically sick, he couldn't move his body, he was negative, unhealthy, aggressive, and then I really thought like oh, my god, is this how my life is going to be?
Speaker 2:And it was him that I was like no, there has to be something better. There's no reason to stay in this life if I'm just going to have to follow in that pattern. And so he was kind of like the biggest poster for me of this is what I want to move away from. I want to heal all of this for them. Like I had so much compassion for my dad he went through a lot of stuff and I just I do there's nothing but compassion when I think about his life, and when I saw him dead it was the most peaceful I've ever seen him and I was just so happy for him. It was like the biggest release, because now that I know everything I do about genetics and how you can turn them on and off and all of these things, like he just didn't know any better.
Speaker 2:He didn't have the tools that I have to get better, and so he shaped the person that I wanted to become by not wanting to become like him.
Speaker 1:I totally get that. There are so many things that I have observed in my family as well and my family dynamics and I say this all the time you either, when you come from certain life experiences, especially in those formative years of your life, you either become the thing or you become the total opposite. Right? And a lot of things that I've observed, yeah, and experienced in my family. I am just like hell. No, I'm not doing that, I don't want to be that way. Exactly, it's just like no, it stops with me. It stops here, also relating to my kids to do better. You know what I mean. I have two daughters, two young daughters, and the way that I raised them it's not the way that I was raised and the way that I speak to them is not the way that I was spoken to as a child and the way that I relate to them is not the way that I was related to as a child. So it ends with me right, and I totally get you.
Speaker 1:It doesn't mean that I don't love my family or they're bad people. No, my family are great people. But it doesn't take away from the traumas, it doesn't take away from the toxic behaviors and habits, it doesn't take away the mental illnesses and issues that has created problems, that has led to people making bad decisions, having that love and holding that space to have that compassion and that empathy for them but at the same time, allowing this level of accountability to take place whereby you can say that, although there is empathy and compassion, this thing is dangerous, is toxic, it's not healthy, it's not okay and it needs to end. Right, it needs to stop.
Speaker 1:So definitely identify with your experience on that and from that I just want to say that it's so hard when you've been hurt by others, especially family members, because the family wound, especially when it comes to parents, can be so huge and can be so impactful on your life overall.
Speaker 1:Right, I can tell you how deeply I have been impacted by my parents and my upbringing and why that is so important to who I am today. It's huge, right, and out of that, a lot of that negativity that I experienced, I was able to kind of become positive or do more positive things or think in more positive ways and be more self-aware with how I show up in the world, right, and how I show up to the people around me. But it's a really difficult thing sometimes, when you are kind of raised in an environment and that's all you know, at some point I can tell you there are some things that I experienced as a child whereby I didn't realize that that wasn't normal until someone else pointed it out to me, someone else completely outside of my world, and I was like wait, that's not normal, that's not okay.
Speaker 1:And I'm just like what your parents didn't do, that. So it's so hard to kind of see Outside of that and it's so hard to recognize, and that's why I say that a lot of times we've been traumatized without knowing that we've been traumatized. A lot of us are walking around with PTSD, our compass PTSD without knowing. That's where I experienced in PTSD Right, I was one of those people, so I Know, though another side of that is realizing that, but then, at the same time, not sitting in that victim hood like this thing has been done to me. It's just like some people take a long time to get out of that, you know, and now it becomes the sq's and the justification for their own behaviors, and I've seen this happen so many times. But it takes a certain level of self-awareness to kind of get out of that. But when you feel like you've been victimized, it's a really hard shell to shed.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I don't know about you, but I just I wanted to ask you how do you think we can go about releasing that victim identity?
Speaker 2:that's a great question, because I lived in the victim mentality for a very long time and I think there it's funny because I was just writing about this in my course the other day that there was this moment where I Was just spewing negativity about something that I was going through to random people at this event, where people were happy, and I remember the look on someone's face being like Like what the you know? Like I don't want to be hearing about all of the things going wrong in your life. And it was in that moment that I realized how I was affecting people. Then I started looking in on myself. I mean like, oh my god, how am I talking? Like, how, what am I putting out there? Because I have a really powerful energy and I know that when I project something, if it's beautiful it's amazing and if it's negative it's like whoa, this is scary, right.
Speaker 2:And it was the moment for me where I was like I need to pay attention to what I'm doing and I'm creating my reality, and I think that's the biggest thing that people can know is that they are literally creating their reality with what they continue to feed energy to, so the people that you surround yourself with, the food that you're eating, the media that you're watching, what you're listening to, everything that you do in your life is creating your reality. It's not what your parents did, it's not what how you were raised none of that matters. What matters is that you take responsibility for everything happening in your life now Because, yes, when we were kids, we might not have had the awareness and the ability to walk away from the situations that we were in, but, as an adult you have full responsibility for the direction of your life.
Speaker 2:There's no reason that you can't learn.
Speaker 2:There's no reason that you can't go find the information that you're looking for, or to switch what you're watching on TV, or To let people go who are no longer serving you. There's zero reason, as an adult, to change the trajectory of your life and when you can acknowledge that and you can take full responsibility for the things happening in your life, it's not your partner who's having a bad day and is arguing with you. You have the ability to switch that with your energy. If that means getting out of the situation, then you get out of the situation. We continue that victim mentality because it's all we know. Like you were saying, it's what we know, so we keep going with it. But now there's no excuse. We have the tools at our fingertips online. When I was 18 and I didn't have that like, I was able to see like wow. My parents didn't have this information, like it's just part of the evolution of humanity. I don't blame my parents for being the way that they were because they didn't have access to the tools that we do now the cassette tapes it took so much to get information on cassette tapes at that time, to where If they wanted to buy this information they'd
Speaker 2:have to like Hear about it and then find out where they could buy the cassette tape.
Speaker 2:They didn't have this stuff handed to us, but now there's no more excuses.
Speaker 2:You know that you're responsible for what you're creating and If you choose to continue playing the victim game, then that's on you, is no one else's fault.
Speaker 2:You are creating literally everything that's coming into your reality and when you understand that, that is all it takes to start acknowledging every move you make through life. Is it bringing you closer to the person you want to become or is it pulling you further back and Into the trauma that you experienced? Right, and to know that everything that happened to you as a child, or the traumatic experiences they give you a piece of something that you can turn into a beautiful, happy and healthy lesson for others, and to overcome those things and to navigate something completely different. That gives you a power in this world to share something so much bigger than what you think you are. And I think that's like the biggest thing that people can do to move out of the victim mentality. It's just Remember that you're responsible for what you're creating, and the more you keep using that language of the victim, victimized dance, the more. You're just going to keep receiving those victimized situations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally get you on that, definitely agree. We definitely create our own circumstances, and what we choose to focus on is what materializes in our lives. So energy attracts energy.
Speaker 1:Exactly at the end of the day. So if that's the energy that you go around with, that's what you will always experience. I totally, totally agree with what you just said, everything you just said. So is there anything that you would like to share? Coming from where you're coming from, like with the work that you do With you know, your healing journey, your life experience Is there anything that you'd like to share just genuinely, wholeheartedly, with the listeners?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I think more than anything it's the acknowledgement that, yes, I went through a lot of different things in my life and I was constantly overcoming things. For the first 30 plus years of my life, you know just constant turmoil, constant PTSD, fear, addictions, whatever it was right, even homelessness at one point and a lot of chronic Dis-ease in my body. And I mean I reached a point several years ago where I almost had a heart attack from throwing a frisbee and I was pre-diabetic, even though I looked healthy and then, and there's all these things that can happen to humans. But the thing is I am Proof that you can get better and live a happy and fulfilling life and be liked and playful and Enjoy your existence, no matter what you go through right, no matter how much you've gone through and no matter how sick you get.
Speaker 2:Our Bodies are so capable of healing and when they have what they need, that's where miraculous healings come into play, because your body actually has the nutrients to restructure your body and heal. Our bodies are powerful healing tools and there are secret to intuition. Our bodies are always giving us some form of guidance and if we knew how to tap into our body and listen, we receive so much of what we need, just as we are, and it's possible to get better, it's possible to heal, and that's the information that I'm sharing with people. It's how did I come from this point and this traumatic child and this fearful person and this unhealthy person to I'm living a beautiful life and I'm stepping into some really big things in life?
Speaker 2:because I brought myself to this space because I finally acknowledged who I am showing up as in this world and what I want to show up as in this world and it's possible to do it and I'm sharing this information with people and it's a no-excused price right. It's information that people can get and, even if they learn one thing from it, it's $50 to learn even just one thing that changes your life in some fashion. For myself, it's the best gift that I can give to people right now, because I know the journey, I know what it takes to get out of that darkness and into the light, and it's a profound experience when you actually move through it.
Speaker 1:Amazing. I love that. I know that you've been on such a tremendous healing journey, but the thing is that healing is never done. It's consistent. It's over time. You consistently evolve every single year, every single day, and I want to know what is it like for you now when you experience fear, when your fears come back up, when any sort of anxiety comes back up around anything around life, your goals, personal life, anything that is important to who you are and what you do. What are the steps that you take to kind of push through that?
Speaker 2:So this is a two-part. The first thing I check in on is my body, because I'm still correcting hormonal imbalances and if I feel anxiety, I know that I need to do my hormonal applications, whatever I'm using. And that brings my body back down, because if you have estrogen dominance, which a lot of women do, that anxiety alone is actually what you're feeling on a regular basis, where people think, oh, I'm just an anxious person, it's actually your hormones that are off, and so the first thing I do is, if I'm feeling anxious, I check my hormones and I bring it back in, and I can get it back down within five minutes.
Speaker 2:If it's something that is more fearful like I'm stepping into my work in a really big way and I'm starting to do a lot more stage talks and all of this stuff if the fear comes up there, it's a reminder to acknowledge the fear, like okay, like I see the fear coming up, and to take it back to like where did this fear stem from? Got it? It was when you know, from all of this stuff. And then I go into, like, the aspect of is this something that I want to carry forth? Do I want to let this fear take control and do I want to stop?
Speaker 2:doing what I'm doing because I'm so afraid that I don't want to move forward and then I bring it back to the space of there's no reason to be here if I'm not going to continue to move forward. So just take the step. You know it's like if I'm not going to continue getting better, there's no reason to move forward. So I take the step because I realize that sure, it's going to be scary I don't know what it looks like on this side of success or whatever it is you're facing but it's better than staying stuck in the space that I've been in my entire life. So I'd rather move forward and find out what that's like.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Amazing. I love that. Thank you so much, Lane. This was such a great conversation.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you so much. It was really necessary. I think this was like perfectly timed for where we're at right now.
Speaker 1:If you'd like to learn more about Lynn and how she can help with your holistic wellness, check out her links below in the show notes. And also remember to send us a voice note through our family's page. Tell us what you think about this episode and podcast, or just to say hello. You'll definitely be hearing back from me.
