Psychic Medium Reveals: What We Need to Survive 2025... | with Laura Hoorweg

Key Takeaways:

-  There is no such thing as death. Physical death is merely a transition where we expand beyond our physical body's limitations. 

-  The year 2025 will be particularly challenging, with conditions improving gradually through 2030.

-  Water carries divine energy, which may explain why our bodies are primarily composed of it. 

Spiritual Counsellor, Intuitive Coach, and Psychic Medium, Laura Hoorweg, opens our conversation with a profound truth: "We are spiritual beings having a physical experience." This statement sets the tone for a breathtaking exploration of what exists beyond physical life and how understanding this reality can transform our approach to both living and dying. Having experienced a life-changing out-of-body experience at age 15, Laura shares revelations about what happens when we cross over. She explains that death is merely a transition where we expand beyond our physical limitations, dropping the negative emotional patterns that often restricted us in earthly life. Our loved ones who have passed can actually be energetically closer to us than when they were physically present, while seeing everything from a higher perspective of love.

Laura also delivers timely wisdom for our current global challenges. Her spiritual guides have shown her that "the world will change more in the next 10 years than it has in the past 300 years." While 2025 will be particularly challenging, she emphasizes staying grounded in love rather than fear. Through daily meditation, nature connection, and creating peaceful home environments, we can navigate this transformation period with greater ease. Perhaps most powerful is Laura's message about healing: and the generational impact an individual can have by healing oneself. 

Share your thoughts about this episode - what revelations resonated with you most deeply? 

All links to today's guest's work and official site

Laura's Website ➡️ https://www.spiritspeaks2.me

Instagram Account ➡️ hoorweglaura

Facebook ➡️ Spirit Speaks to Me

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Welcome Back
• 2:15 Out of Body Experience
• 4:38 Different Aspects of Laura's Spiritual Practice
• 8:03 Death Does not Exist
• 13:57 Life on the Other Side
• 24:40 The Guardians: Laura's Spiritual Team
• 31:15 What Generational Healing Means
• 33:13 Predictions for 2025
• 38:19 Surviving the Great Shifts on Earth
• 44:06 The Heart-Brain Connection
• 46:06 The Connection between Science and Spirituality
• 48:00 Connecting to the Essence of Spirituality
• 53:47 Water as Divine Energy
• 56:26 March 21, 2025- 333 Divine Meaning
• 58:04 The Unity Puzzle and Closing Thoughts

Transcript

Kertia: 0:00

Hey everyone, it's been a minute and I'm so happy to be back. We're just coming back from a brief break. We just needed to rearrange a few things for the podcast, but everything's been good and I'm so happy to continue these amazing conversations that I've been having. So recently, I had a conversation with a psychic medium and spiritual counselor, laura Horeg, which was so enlightening, and it was just such a pleasure having her on the podcast. They need to change their lives and and to experience transformative healing, you know, with the use of her spiritual gifts and knowledge, and she does this with such a huge amount of love and compassion for others. So, um, it was just so amazing having her on the podcast.

Kertia: 1:01

We recorded this conversation back in march and we touched on some of the things that a lot of us battle with, both on the individual and on the collective levels, and she offered so many words of wisdom. I won't say much about it in this intro. I'll just allow you to listen and I'd love to know what you think, because, at the end of the day, it's all about creating a dialogue around the aspects of life that we often question and about the things we struggle with the most. So I have one ask for you After listening to this episode, scroll down to the show notes and click the link above the show notes to send us a text. All right, let's get into it. Okay, laura, really excited to have this conversation with you. You know you stated that you're a spiritual counselor and intuitive coach. First, I'd love to know what your spiritual journey was like. How did you get into the work that you're currently doing?

Laura: 2:15

Oh, that all depends on where you, how far back you want me to go.

Laura: 2:19

You can go as far back as you want back as you want, Okay, Well, I was always very spiritual, even as a young child, but I didn't know. I got things and I suddenly got the impression that people didn't see the world a lot of times in the same way that I did. So I just basically started keeping my mouth shut as a young child. But when I was about 15, I'm going to do this the Reader's Digest version when I was about 15, I had an incredible out of body experience on a cliff which changed my perception of the world and who we were and what happened after we died and everything forever.

Laura: 2:59

So that was really I kind of think of that as the first big signpost of starting my spiritual journey. And it continued throughout my life, going up and down, and up and down and up and down. You know, sometimes very, very engaged in spirituality, sometimes at different, different times in my life. Absolutely not, okay, yeah, so in terms of actually starting my practice, I this is kind of like my second career. I was in advertising and marketing for 30 years and for a while I did readings and counseling and stuff for people a little bit on the side, but I didn't really start full time until about 2015. And what prompted that was I went through a series of events where my partner died suddenly and it just projected me into a huge healing journey of my own, which I went on for several years. And then I I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do and I just got guided to start this practice. So that's what I did. So about the middle of 2015, I started my spiritual counseling and intuitive coaching practice.

Kertia: 4:18

What does your spiritual counseling practice look like right now? How do you assist people with the work that you do? Because you mentioned a few things right, you mentioned mediumship. I'm not sure if you do regressions as well, like how does that look in the work that you do?

Laura: 4:37

Okay, I do three main things. One is working in the spiritual counseling, working one on one with people, and that's dealing with the issues of their life, whether it's personal, family business, whether it's, you know, they want to look at their spiritual growth, things like that, or their own spiritual gifts, and those are that's one on one work that I do with people, and I do that in hour long sessions with people in varying numbers of times during a year. You know, some people I might see once a year, some people I might see multiple times, and then I won't see them again for quite some time. And the second part is my intuitive coaching, mentoring program, which I call create the life that you really want. Imagine that. And that's where I work ongoing with people. I do it in three month modules, but nobody ever, I've never had anybody sign up and just do one module.

Laura: 5:38

So usually I end up working with people for a year, sometimes two years. Sometimes people will take a break because of what's going on in their life and they'll come back and you know we'll start doing sessions again. So that's part two, and part three is my mediumship work, and I'm not. Most of the mediums that you'll see out there tend to be evidentiary mediums. They'll do it in large groups and their practice is usually about helping people to understand that life goes on beyond death. I don't focus on that.

Laura: 6:18

My focus in my mediumship work is healing helping people to heal from grief and also helping. It's kind of a. It's a two stage promise. One promise is to the living and one promises to the people on the other side. I also made a promise to them that I would help deliver messages to their loved ones on this side. So it's kind of a two way street. So I do that in a group setting. That's the only thing I do in a group setting. But I do that live in a group setting. The only time I usually do mediumship work is live. So I only do that locally. In terms of my spiritual counseling and my intuitive coaching programs. I have clients all over the world because I do everything like we're doing right now. I do it online. So I have literally have clients all over the world. So it's really great because I get to meet all different kinds of people from all different kinds of places. So it's, it's, it's pretty wonderful.

Kertia: 7:16

That's beautiful. That's beautiful work that you're doing. I'd love to know you know, what do you have to say, because you mentioned that all of this kind of like really took off when you were 15 and you had that experience and you got that, that insight into life and death and what that means, right, that's not being, you know, death itself, but just like that, transitioning from one, from one stage of life to another, right, exactly. I'd love for you to get into that and help us to understand what that transition is and what is it that's there on the other side that we should take comfort in instead of being afraid of.

Laura: 8:03

Well, actually, we should really take comfort in it, because we actually expand after we shed our body. Okay, let's start at the beginning. The main fact that people have to really get is that we are spiritual beings having a physical experience. Okay, we're not physical beings having a spiritual experience, which is a very different thing. At our heart, we are a spiritual being, and that energetic being goes on from lifetime to lifetime to lifetime. So there is really no such thing as death in the sense that we think about it, especially in the Western world.

Laura: 8:40

Ok, it's, it's merely a transition. So that's what people don't realize. We're actually going home. Ok, it's not that we're going someplace else, because that's where we were before we were born into this world. So it's an expanded existence. It's much more. We're much more powerful. We have much more abilities when we're on the other side than we do when we're here in the physical body, because we're very restricted as to what we can do and we're also under the influence of all these human emotions, and some of them are wonderful, some of them are very positive.

Kertia: 9:18

And a lot of them are very negative, you know hatred and fear and anger and all those things.

Laura: 9:24

We drop those emotional energies when we go to the other side. So we're seeing everything from a much higher perspective. That's why I always say you know, a lot of people are afraid to connect with people, a lot of times parents or grandparents who they had a very challenging relationship with when they were actually here on the earth. And I always tell them they're not the same people on the other side. Okay, they're seeing everything from a higher perspective, they're seeing everything from the point of view of love, even if you, you know, you couldn't stand your mother and you had an absolutely horrible relationship with her when she was on this earth. It's not the same relationship that you can have with her when she's on the other side. And you know, that's a wonderful thing because you can develop a totally different relationship and you can do a lot of healing for yourself, more so than a lot of people could do when they were. You know their actual loved one was here yeah now, that's one situation.

Laura: 10:31

The other situation is people don't understand when, when our loved ones are on the other side, they can actually be energetically closer to us way, way closer to us than they were when they were here in the physical. So that's another wonderful thing, and there's absolutely nothing to fear on the other side. You know all these things about oh, we're being judged and you know horrible things. And, by the way, there is no hell. Okay, it doesn't exist if there is a hell it's here on earth okay, it's not, it's not when you pass away.

Laura: 11:03

There is no such thing, and the only judgment we do is of ourselves the whole life review that's for us to to learn. It's not even a judgment. It's for us to learn, um, from the lessons that we uh went through when we were here on earth.

Laura: 11:22

And the biggest thing about that whole life review part again there's nothing to do with judgment, but what it is is we actually are able to feel the feelings of the people that we interacted with when we were here, because that's something well, at least at the moment, I believe that's coming back, but that's a whole nother topic. We can actually feel their emotions. When they were in specific situations Like, say, for example, that you were in a heated argument with somebody and there was a lot of hurt feelings and things like that, you can understand why that argument happened and how that person felt and why they were so angry on a very deep emotional level, cause you're actually feeling their emotions and you're also feeling their thoughts and and how, why they felt that way, which is something we can't do when we're here.

Laura: 12:16

We think we can, but we're we're basically guessing and the only thing that we can do is ask somebody how they feel, and asking somebody how they feel. Number one a lot of people don't really tell the truth. I don't say they're necessarily lying, but people aren't as forthcoming with feelings, how they feel about things, and it's very different to understand something on an intellectual, more of an intellectual level, but on the other side, when you're actually feeling their emotions, it's a whole different experience, because then you actually know truly how that person felt and, uh, it's, it's a learning on a whole nother level. So that's really, and we don't have to be afraid for our loved ones that are passing over because you know I always use this example a lot of times with my clients.

Laura: 13:12

If you ever saw that movie, you might not quite be old enough, but the movie Titanic I have okay, good, oh gosh, I'm not as young as I look. Yeah, okay, it's a fantastic movie. Well, that's a good thing. Don't knock that. That's a good thing.

Kertia: 13:30

Yeah.

Laura: 13:32

At the end of the movie Titanic, when the old lady finally passes away and she goes to the other side and they show her on the ship with all the people she's young again okay. They show her on the ship with all the people that she's young again. Okay, they show her on the ship with all the people that had passed away and they're literally having this huge party for her to welcome her back. And that is literally. I can tell you, that is literally what happens on the other side when you cross over. There's all your loved ones, there's all the people that you've ever known.

Laura: 14:03

um, a lot of times people say what you know it's if somebody passes away young, and what happens if there's nobody on the other side? There's always people on the other side, because they can also be people that you knew in past lives, that you loved and you cherished, and in past lives, and they're there too. Okay, and not only that, but the big part that I love, because I I love animals. Our pets are there too. Okay, I'm talking about, you know, dogs and cats and actually horses too, which is interesting All those animals that are particularly close to human beings here on Earth. They show up on the other side.

Laura: 14:40

So it's not only the people that have gone before us and passed away, but it's also the animals, which is a wonderful thing for so many people, because so many people have, you know, there's people that have actually greater connections to animals than they actually have to people. So, you know, it's wonderful and I always say, like, don't worry about it If you have an animal that you absolutely love, because animals have way shorter lifespans than we do, so we're always losing our animals, but they're waiting there for you and they will be there for you when your time comes and you pass over. Whenever that time is, you know whether it's 48 or 84, they're going to be there waiting for you when you pass over, so, and we hope it's not 48, but you know, that happens too.

Kertia: 15:26

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. A question that stood out in my mind as you were speaking is all of us, we will, at some point in time, experience the death of a loved one, right, granted that we don't go first, but most of us will experience at some point the death of a loved one. What do you do? Because I know, like a lot of us have not only have fear of death itself and what awaits us on the other side, but then there's also the fear of the unknown, right. There are times when, for example, someone might have a husband, a wife, a brother, a sister that passes away, and when that loved one who transitioned, tried to communicate with their loved one who is still on earth, there is also that element of fear there as well. So not only you know we just covered the fear of death and what awaits on the other side, but then there's that other fear of having that communication. How can we bridge that gap?

Laura: 16:30

Well, I think number one. I think most people want to have some kind of sign. Ok, because everybody comes to me, you know, even people who don't. It's interesting, even people that don't have a lot of beliefs about that. This is even possible. I've even had people come to me who actually didn't believe in an afterlife. They didn't believe in reincarnation, they didn't believe in any of this stuff.

Kertia: 16:54

But yet when?

Laura: 16:55

somebody close to them, somebody that they love, passed away.

Laura: 16:59

They still wanted to know if they could get some kind of sign or something from that person, and I always suggest I haven't met anybody yet that doesn't want some kind of communication or some knowledge that their person is there and that they're okay and that there's still something of them still existing. Okay, and the best way to get those things are to be open to it. Okay, because somebody on the other side will always give us something that we recognize and and it's different for every person but they have to show us something that we recognize that's attached to them. Okay, and one of the biggest things, the other biggest things that people come to me with is you know they'll come to me and say oh, you know, my husband has been gone for six months and you know I haven't heard anything from him and everybody else.

Laura: 17:56

I know, you know, got some sign right away and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right and absolutely without fail, I start questioning that person about how their, how their partner or how their loved one passed away and it was some kind of sudden death. Okay, even if they were sick for a while, their actual passing was very sudden and often, sometimes, unexpected. The best thing I can do, I can give you example, is like somebody was in a car accident and they were killed instantly. Okay, people like that go to what I call I have named, and my guides have kind of joined in on that name I call it angel hospital. Okay, so they end up in angel hospital.

Kertia: 18:43

Now there's other people who end up in the angel hospital.

Laura: 18:46

young children and babies that pass away, they automatically go to angel hospital. People that pass away suddenly go to angel hospital because they a lot of times don't even realize that they've passed, don't even realize that they've passed. And then there's one other category, and this is a tough thing for a lot of people, but people who have chosen to take their own life. Okay, they go to to Angel Hospital. Now, all these people may need help making the transition.

Laura: 19:16

Okay, they need healing, literally they need healing to start the next part of their life on the other side. Okay, for all the reasons that are obvious to everyone. Okay, so how long they stay in the angel hospital is dependent, and it's very hard to say because there actually is no time on the other side. So it doesn't even correlate with us because we have linear time. But the thing that people need to understand is I compare it. I know it's weird, but I compare it to drug rehab.

Laura: 19:47

Okay, the reason I compare it to drug rehab is if you know anyone if you've seen a movie, or everybody pretty much knows if you go into rehab okay what they do. What do they do? They take away your phones. They don't allow you to to talk to anybody for a specific amount of time, because they want you totally focused on your own recovery and they don't want any distractions.

Laura: 20:12

So it's the same in angel hospital okay because as long as you're in angel hospital, you can't communicate with them and they can't communicate with us, even as a media. They can't communicate with me. I can a medium. They can't communicate with me. I can tell a lot of times if somebody's in angel hospital, but I can't receive messages from them because a medium- is just an antenna. Okay, it's not like I go out and grab people and say come talk to us, okay.

Laura: 20:39

They have to make the choice yeah, to speak to us and then, as a medium, you receive that information. But when they're in angel hospital they can't okay because it's just like being in rehab they're not allowed to call out okay, so that's what's happening. So, but as soon as they get out, they have that ability if they want to. And I I, in terms of the fear, I think it's just you have to remember they love us even more than they did when they were here.

Laura: 21:09

So they're not going to do anything, or they're going to try not to do anything. That makes us fearful. That's shocking, or, you know, they usually try if they know somebody is kind of worried about that. They'll be very gentle and they'll be very they'll. They'll do little things. Okay, they're very conscious of the effect that they have on us. Yeah, so I wouldn't be afraid of that at all. It's not like all of a sudden, you know, somebody's going to show up at the end of your bed and say hi guess who's.

Laura: 21:44

Yeah, they will not do that. Okay, I know there's certain movies that show kind of depiction. I'm thinking of one in particular. I don't remember what the name is, but they actually did something like that. They don't do that.

Kertia: 21:57

They just don't do that Because you know they'd have everybody jumping out of their skins.

Laura: 22:02

They'd have people, their loved ones, having heart attacks and things like that. A lot of them have senses of humor, by the way, just like a lot of people here have senses of humor, right, but they would never do something like that Because the whole idea is to be loving and to let people know Because you know what they know that we have to grieve.

Laura: 22:26

So they want us to grieve because they know that that's part of the healing process, but they don't want us to grieve forever. Part of that grieving process because that helps us to get through our grief more easily and more quickly. Because when we know our loved ones in our are are still there and they're in a wonderful place, it helps us lose that fear and that the pain, the pain of loss. Because that's what grief really is, because really, grief is all about us. Okay, it's not about them. They're perfectly.

Kertia: 23:07

I keep telling people this they're perfectly happy, they're perfectly, you know they've got all kinds of friends and loved ones around them on the other side, we're the ones that are actually going through the hard time.

Laura: 23:18

okay, because grief is is the pain of loss, it's the pain of them not being here anymore. It's really not so much about them, it's really more about us.

Kertia: 23:30

Yeah, yeah.

Laura: 23:32

And once you understand that, it actually in a lot of ways makes it easier, because the sort of as you go and I know this from personal experience because I lost my partner as you go through the grief process, what ends up happening is you go from this transition of the pain of loss and thinking about the loss of that person and you gradually go to the other end of the spectrum, which is feeling the love for that person and thinking about them. Not thinking about their loss, but thinking about all the wonderful things that happened with that person, all the wonderful moments and all the love that you had for that person and all the love that they had for you. That's how you know, basically, that you're coming out of the grief cycle is when there's way more thoughts about all the wonderful loving things that happened with that person instead of the pain of losing them. Ok, that's when you know that you're really healed loving things that happened with that person instead of the pain of losing them.

Laura: 24:28

Okay, that's when you know that you're really healed.

Kertia: 24:31

Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for that explanation. That was. That was such a beautiful explanation, laura. Oh, thank you. You've mentioned earlier your guides, and I know you refer to them as the guardians. I'd love to know who are they, like this group of angels that support you. I'd love to know more about them.

Laura: 24:57

Okay, I'm going to start this with the thing that they always tell me, because so many people are hung up on knowing the names and stuff of their guides and their angels and all this and they say to me they don't care. Okay, that's a human thing, that's a hierarchical human thing. You can call them, you know, betty, bob and Sue, if you want. Okay.

Kertia: 25:21

Really, that's what they say all the time.

Laura: 25:24

Now, I know who some of my guides are. I don't know who they all are, but some of them I am identified with because we've been identified for a long, long time, for many lifetimes. My major, the head honcho of my group, of my team I call them, my team is Archangel Michael, and we've been. You know, um, and also, um, mother Mary and I. I have no religion. I'm, I'm a, I'm a religious, I wasn't brought up a religious and as soon as I would mention, uh, mother Mary, people get all exercised because she's so especially, she's very associated with the Catholicism. Yeah, but actually Mother Mary has nothing to do with them. Actually, she was originally an archangel, by the way, she decided to come through and be the mother of Yeshua as service to the world. Okay, so she's actually an archangel, actually. And also her mother, who is also another angelic, who is um, anna. Anna is the mother of Mary. Okay, those three I mentioned those because people know who they are okay and then there's a whole other group and the group.

Laura: 26:41

I once saw a picture I don't know who the artist was, I think I've used that picture before on my website and stuff like that. There's all this group that's standing around a world and it's a picture that's been around for a long time and in that group there's indigenous elders, there's angels, and that is. I was shown that picture and as soon as I saw that picture, god my team goes.

Kertia: 27:08

Oh, that's us.

Laura: 27:09

So I know that there's a whole bunch of different, very different, um, beings, very different, and and in that group too, there's also some beings from other worlds, other dimensions, other, uh, universes, however you want to look at it. So it's an interesting. I have a large group because I have a bit of a pain in the arse Now.

Kertia: 27:34

I can tell you a story if you want to hear this story.

Laura: 27:37

Yes, let's hear it. This was shown to me by my group. Everyone they've got a hilarious sense of humor, but this was shown to me kind of like in a vision or a dream. However you want to think about it, it was shown to me. You can think of it like a video, like a reel. Okay, there we go. This reel was presented to me and what it is is that, at my birth, an Archangel Michael is standing there and my guardian angel is standing there and Archangel Michael is standing there and my guardian angel is standing there and she's female and she's looking up at Archangel Michael, going oh, I'm going to need help with this one.

Laura: 28:17

And Archangel Michael just laughs and he goes oh, you'll get help. And then she waits a few more minutes and a few more things happen and she goes oh, I'm going to need a lot of help with this one. Oh, my god about it. He says I'm sending you a bunch of other angels to help you, and and then she goes I don't know if they're gonna be enough. And he looks down at her and he goes well, I'm sending you a legion oh my god he goes.

Laura: 28:43

Okay, that should do it. So for anybody that doesn't know, what a legion is.

Kertia: 28:50

A legion is 144,000 angels. Girl, you need a whole 144,000.

Laura: 29:01

Every time I think about this story alone, let alone tell this story. It's hilarious, oh man alone. Let alone tell this story. It's hilarious, oh man. They showed this to me and even now, when I'm saying it, they're they're making me know that it was more than a joke, okay, but what I? What I've learned through this experience too. When they show me things, it's always to teach me things, to help me help other people.

Laura: 29:25

Yeah, and what I've seen a deal like I've literally been in session with hundreds and hundreds and help other people. Yeah, and what I've seen? A deal like.

Laura: 29:28

I've literally been in session with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people okay and I get a glimpse at their group, at their team, because their team works with my team and that's how we get all the information. Yeah, um, now people have teams of all different sizes, okay, and we're so caught up on. You know, the more the better. You know if we've got you know. This is why they don't want people to get caught up with names and stuff too, because oh, you know, if I don't have an archangel in my group, then I'm nothing, and you know all this stuff and the same thing about numbers.

Laura: 30:00

Oh, people have oh my god, people have weird ideas as human beings we're so we're so caught up in the hierarchical way of thinking hierarchical system and more is better and if I have a bigger team, I'm better than you.

Laura: 30:15

It has nothing to do with it yeah what they have told me, though, is that people who have a mission or a purpose in, in this particular lifetime, of helping a lot of people Okay, the more people that you're destined to help in this particular lifetime, usually the larger the group, because obviously you're helping more people, so you're going to need more help, okay, and just because you have a small team doesn't mean you're less than it just means that you are not one of those people that's going to be helping large groups, and then my team always reminds me if you only help one person in this lifetime and that can even be yourself, then you have done wonderful, wonderful work.

Laura: 30:59

Again, it's not about numbers, okay, you don't have to save half the world in order to have a worthwhile life. You could help one person, even if that one person is just yourself.

Kertia: 31:14

Okay.

Laura: 31:15

Because when you heal yourself by the way and they're bringing this in now when you heal yourself okay, this is all about ancestral karma when you heal yourself, you heal seven generations back and seven generations into the future. So everybody asks me, like, how can I help you know? Uh, heal in my ancestral karma. The way that you heal ancestral karma is by healing yourself yeah, yeah okay, and when you heal yourself, like I said, you not only yourself.

Laura: 31:47

you have at least seven generations back and seven generations into the future. So if you want to really help your children and your grandchildren and your great grandchildren heal yourself. So that's why healing ourselves is so important and it's not selfish. Ok, it's not selfish. Okay, it's not selfish at all, and that's why self-care is not selfish, because self-care is part of healing ourselves.

Kertia: 32:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is that. That was beautifully said. That is so true. What and I'm sure you've received many, what, um, what would you say is one of the most, I guess, profound messages? I mean you just said one, actually, about healing yourself and how that goes back seven generations and for seven generations, but I'd love to hear any other profound messages that you've received from your guides, from spirit, um, I mean, we live like the times that we're living in right now.

Laura: 32:54

I think people need to hear something or connect with something, not something, but, I guess, back to self, more so than ever, the the biggest questions I get right now and we're on a very auspicious day because this is a huge opening, a huge portal, and a lot of my cohorts are in spirit, are talking about this day is being the transition day for for human species. Okay, this is a big day. There's always reasons why things happen. So we picked a very auspicious day which I didn't realize until now actually to have this conversation and the biggest thing, I want people to know, because there's a lot of fear what I call fear porn out there about what's going to

Laura: 33:49

happen with the earth. What's going to happen, you know, with us as a species. You know the world's going to end, it's going to be horrible and all these things, um, starting really profoundly in 2020. Um, I started getting really how shall I say it? Large, powerful messages about what was going to happen in the next 10 years. So at that point it was 2020. So it was from 2020 to 2015. Yeah, 2030. Sorry, 2030. Yeah, now we're in the hat, we're in the last half of that.

Laura: 34:27

But the big message that came through was that the world is going to change more in the next 10 years, so from 2020 to 2030, than it has in the past 300. Okay, which is pretty mind blowing. Like at the time, I really couldn't wrap my head around that. And what they said also is you have to realize that actually, most of the change in this world has happened in the last hundred years. Okay, most of the chain rapid change has happened in the last hundred years. So, even if you look at just the last hundred years, if we're packing a 100 year change into a 10 year slot, wow, yeah, that's tenfold. Okay, so if you think time is speeding up and things are happening really quickly, guess what? You're right, I guess they are Okay. And now we're in the last five years of that, and what I've been shown recently is I was shown this really strongly starting about October, november of 2024.

Laura: 35:39

The 2025 is going to be I'm going to use the word challenging the most challenging year of the next five years. Okay, 2025 is going to be our most challenging year. 2026 is also going to be challenging, but it's going to be a little easier than 20, than this year, and then, as we go along, 2027, 2028, 2029, it's going to get easier and easier and more and more things good things are going to be happening and we're going to hear about them. Okay, and don't be fooled, like all we hear right now. Um, let me put it this way too you have to remember I spent 30 years in the uh mass media, okay, yeah, so I know how that works. Believe you me. There's that old saying if it bleeds, it leads. Ok, it's all about the negative, ok, and there actually, even now, is a lot of very, very positive things that are happening. We're just not hearing about them.

Laura: 36:42

Yeah. So this is the year that I think people will get into the most trouble, because it will be the most challenging and we will be getting the darkest news because the good news isn't quite breaking through yet. It will, starting next year and it'll get better and better. That I've gotten. How to survive this next five years in the best possible way is to stay in love and stay out of fear. Stay in love and positivity and take care of yourself, heal yourself.

Laura: 37:19

This is they've never emphasized healing as much as they have now. Okay, super, super important to be doing your self-care and healing yourself. That's the biggest way you can help everybody around you is by taking care of yourself and staying in that positivity, staying in love, and the biggest it's not even it's actually staying out of fear. Okay, because there's so much fear around us. We need to stay in positivity and love and that will make this ride, this challenging ride over this next year and really the next two years, much, much more, much easier for you. Ok, because I can tell you right now there are going to be people that won't be making that. They'll be falling into all this fear. There's already people doing that, ok, and they're going to have a really rough ride. Ok, if you stay and you keep yourself grounded. This is another thing. We need to stay really reallything being out in nature, ok. Keeping your home, the energy of your home, in a very what I call Zen, which is peaceful and uplifting.

Laura: 38:42

OK so because we're at home a lot, especially now so many people are even working from home. Your home environment is extremely important, so you want to keep that environment as high vibrational as possible and you want to spend as much time as you possibly can outside, and you want to. If you don't already have a meditation practice, you better get one. And when I say a practice I you better get one. And when I say a practice, I mean every day okay.

Laura: 39:09

It doesn't have to be hours and hours, but even if you're doing half an hour every day, it will completely change your life and that will also help you keep centered and grounded. And those are the really important things and those are the messages that they keep repeating over and over and over again, because we need to get it through our heads and we need to be doing that, Otherwise you're going to have a really rough ride.

Kertia: 39:37

Yeah, thank you for that. That was that's an amazing message and that is so helpful. And it helps to also put things into perspective, especially when you said that you know, imagine a hundred years of change in 10 years, and it makes sense why things look the way they look, because when we look at the world, it's like catastrophic, you know, and people feel like there's just no end to it. But it's really important that all of these things are broken down so that the new can emerge from that Right, and so I guess this is why half the world looks like it's burning right now.

Laura: 40:22

Well, you know, I they want. They just reminded me I didn't put the capper on it, which we need to put on it, because this is what really gives hope, and I think hope is to know that people can go through a lot of struggle if they know that something good is going to come out of it in the end. Bookmark on the other end, because they told me, when we stand in 2030, that we will look back and we will not. We'll look back to now, or even to 2020, because that was pandemic time.

Kertia: 40:58

Okay, do you want to look at it that way, yeah, um, and we will.

Laura: 41:02

We will just be odd and we will be in disbelief that we could have come from there and made it to this wonderful state that we're in in 2030.

Laura: 41:12

Like it'll just be mind-blowing it'll just be absolutely mind-blowing and I think the real thing is this year I think the real even more than all the thing that went on with the pandemic and how that was so hard for so many people and it was such a struggle and all that stuff. I think this year is going to be actually even more challenging because it's compressed and it's and it's being how shall I say governed by the mass media. There there's a good word OK, governed by the mass media. There there's a good word okay, governed by the mass media, yeah. But, like I said, you cannot believe everything you see, read or hear. Actually, I recommend I did this years ago, but if you haven't done this, I would recommend this to everyone stop watching the news, okay, and I don't care whether it's on tv, whether it's a newspaper, whether it's a radio, whether it's online, I don't care where it is. Stop watching, listening, reading mass media, okay, because it's a totally distorted view of what's really going on.

Laura: 42:25

Cause, remember, if it bleeds, it bleeds. Okay, that's a saying from years ago, but it's it's the same now on steroids, and it's not even news anymore. Okay, I think news went out of fashion with Walter Cronkite. That's how long it's been since we've really had news. Now it's either some form of infomercial the news, the actual news or it's commentary. Okay, people don't realize. Commentary is not news, Okay, news is reporting facts and actual things that are happening, not people's opinions of what's happening yeah, okay. Or people's opinions when they don't even know the facts of what actually is happening okay and that's what we're getting now, and that's a huge part of the problem.

Laura: 43:23

Huge part of the problem, okay, and this is why people are making bad decisions. Okay, because when you have bad information, you make bad decisions, because you're making decisions based on something that isn't even real. You see what I'm saying? You're preaching la, I know, but sometimes we got to.

Kertia: 43:48

I love it. I love it.

Laura: 43:50

People don't get it, and they just don't get it, and you know, and really, what has to happen instead of being up here. This is directly from my guides. Ok, this is another one that they've been harping on lately. We got to get out of here and into here.

Kertia: 44:09

Yeah.

Laura: 44:10

Okay, and there's real science behind this, by the way. In case you didn't know, they've discovered fairly recently that we actually have a literal brain in our heart, so we have to start thinking with our hearts and feeling with our hearts.

Laura: 44:30

There's a cluster of cells, there's like a little mini brain inside of our heart and those cells are literally neurons, just like in your brain. Okay, so there's literally a heart. I love this. How science is now proving spirituality. I love it. All these things that I've known for years and I've been told for years. They're all starting to be proven by science. Yeah, okay, and this is a big one. Okay, but in the heart. To distinguish them from the neurons in our brain, they call them neurites, but they're exactly the same cells as in our brain. So there's like literally a little mini brain in our heart and we need to be focusing from there instead of from our brain. Okay, and we also need to be making.

Laura: 45:17

This is another thing a lot of people are talking about now. Is the heart-brain connection huge, the heart-brain resonance? Okay, this is a major connect. This is the next level development of the human being. Is that mind heart connection? Yeah, yeah, there's a wonderful people doing a lot of work on this and it's called heart map institute. I believe they do a lot of work on this and again science.

Laura: 45:47

Okay, because there's so many people that you know when you start talking about spirituality and spiritual things, uh they go. You can't prove it, it's not science yeah and they go really well.

Laura: 46:00

Actually, you can a lot of things, and this, see, this is the other thing that they told me will keep happening All the things, all these spiritual things that we've known, and in some cases for thousands of years, like you go back into you know, some of the Indian writings and some of these old writings and the things that are in there are starting to be proven by science.

Laura: 46:27

Yeah, okay, and that will keep happening that's another evolution that's going on, because you know, actually I'm getting on my soapbox here actually, at one time, spirituality and science were the same thing. The biggest, the baddest thing that ever happened is when that schism came between science and religion, and that was a big problem of a lot of everything. That was the core issue and the core problem of a lot of things that we're dealing with today that schism when they were separated and they became quote unquote different things.

Laura: 47:08

Yeah, absolutely, and that, because we're talking about fear. That is what caused a huge amount of fear when religion became something to make people afraid. Yeah, you know and that's where hell came from and all this you know, and this is where original sin came from oh god, we're gonna go to hell.

Laura: 47:31

yeah, we don't do this or do that or listen to this priest or that, you know, and they're all. And don't get me wrong, my background is, of course, judeo-christian, but all of the major religions are exactly the same. They all have their own way of doing these things okay.

Laura: 47:52

Oh yeah, and what I was told from okay, I'll give you another instance of how I when my journey really started was when I was a little kid. I was about 10 or 11. I told you I wasn't brought up in a, I didn't have a religious family at all, but when I was 10 or 11, I decided that I wanted to find out where God and the angels lived.

Kertia: 48:15

Yeah.

Laura: 48:16

And so nobody was going to tell me. Because I kept asking and nobody told, nobody had an answer that I liked. And then I just thought at that time, back in the 60s, you know, god and the angels were at church. Ok, so I decided that I was going to go to church and my family wasn't going to take me because they weren't religious at all.

Laura: 48:39

And I was lucky in the neighborhood that I lived in in Toronto, in greater Toronto, there was probably at least a half a dozen churches in my in walking distance of my house. So every Sunday for like six or eight Sundays I put on my little Sunday best, because back in the days that's what you did? I had my little skirt and my little patent, leather shoes and all that and I tromped off by myself to church and I went to a Catholic church, an Anglican church, a Salvation Army church, a Catholic church, an Anglican church, a Salvation Army church, a Baptist church.

Laura: 49:15

I went to every church that was available to me. I wish I could have gone to a synagogue, but you can't because you have to be invited into a synagogue. That's another story. But the point is I realized after going to all these churches that God and the angels didn't live there. I met some really nice people and I met some not so nice people, but God and the angels definitely weren't there.

Laura: 49:39

But you know, where my true connection to God and the angels came from was when I got a little bit older. It's part of that story of when I was 15, because when I was basically from the time, I was probably 12, because when I was basically from the time I was probably 12, 13, I was out in nature, I was backpacking, I was canoe tripping. That's where my connection to God, to spirit, to the divine, came from, was being out in the wilderness, because I was doing wilderness camping. I wasn't, you know, sitting in a campground. It's a bit different. It's a bit different.

Laura: 50:14

It's a bit different, okay, because pristine nature has an or, I don't know, there's not too many places that are pristine anymore, but as pristine as you can get Okay, which means the least amount of interference by us has the strongest spiritual energy that you'll ever find yeah, okay, and that's where a lot, that's where my the wilderness, basically, became my church has the strongest spiritual energy that you'll ever find and that's where a lot, that's where my the wilderness basically became my church and that's where I, if you want to think about I don't even like the word worship.

Laura: 50:46

I think if you think about the word worship in the sense of connection, then I'm all for that word. If you're thinking about it as bowing down and scraping, and that's that's not, that's not, uh, that's not worship, that's bowing down and scraping and groveling.

Kertia: 51:05

You're right on that, no, sorry, oh, it's true, though 's true, and I love the way you explain it because it's it. It really um, shows like where we're coming from and where we're going and why this connection to our hearts is just so important. Right, and you know, talking about religion and the separation with spirituality and science and the fear that came out of that. That is huge. It's so true, so so true, you know. And religion as it exists today is not religion as it was when it first began, you know so.

Laura: 51:52

I'll tell you, the most bizarre thing, too, is all the major religions. They're not even following their own books yes, exactly, exactly exactly. I was never a religious person, but I pretty much read the bible cover to cover. I've read a good portion of the Quran. I've read the Badr Vida a lot of that material too and I don't care which major religion you look at. They're not even following their own books. Because if they followed their own books, they wouldn't be doing half the stuff that they're doing.

Kertia: 52:26

Exactly yes, yes, yes.

Laura: 52:31

It's like, oh, how did that happen? I could tell you how that happened, but that's a whole another show we'd have to do laura. Laura does 2.0 or something.

Kertia: 52:40

Yes yes, absolutely it's true, because, you know, the fundamental message of all is it's just love. And it's so easy, it's so simple, it's literally love. That is the fundamental message of all religions and the thing about it.

Laura: 52:56

It's not just love, it's love thyself and love the other person. And love the other person as thyself, and all the books have it in. They have the same language. Yeah. And in different forms, you know, and it's just, it's just crazy, and you know, and the whole concept of God's in everything, yeah, you know, God is not some old man sitting on you know a throne or something somewhere.

Kertia: 53:27

That's commanded us. God is in everything.

Laura: 53:29

God is energy, god is spirit. This is why I love nature.

Kertia: 53:33

Yeah.

Laura: 53:33

Because that is where you can literally feel God in everything.

Kertia: 53:39

Yeah, yeah, in the, in the, in the very breath that you take every, every second, yeah.

Laura: 53:47

And water. You keep an eye on water. Water is. I've actually heard this is part of the new science. You know, if you, dr Moto, and you look into some of that work yeah, about how water works. We don't even know what water really is and actually I've heard some of the new scientists, which I really love, who have been doing a lot of this work they're actually think that like water is god, like water, like there's something fundamentally, it's a fundamental energetic element. I'm trying to look at the right words and that that's probably as close as I can get right now. Yeah, but water is super, super. Why do you think? We're almost know we're like 75% or more water.

Kertia: 54:33

Mm-hmm.

Laura: 54:34

Okay, and why is water so healing? Yeah, yeah, you know. And why is water so precious?

Kertia: 54:45

Yeah.

Laura: 54:47

Okay, things note the thing, because a lot of people don't even realize things that are actually powerful and sacred. They become precious and a lot of times people don't even know why, but it's like, it's in us, it's, it's, it's um I'm looking for the right word it's not even conscious, it's coming from a subconscious place in us that we know that water is sacred. You know, that's where baptism comes from and that whole idea, you know, is water is sacred holy water what makes water sacred? And I think it's the energy of the divine.

Laura: 55:34

I think that, literally, water carries our divinity, and that's why these human bodies, these human vessels, in order to make them a vessel for our soul, which is our divinity, our bodies were made mostly of water, because water in itself is divine energy. Wow, I just came up with that.

Kertia: 56:00

Yeah, yeah.

Laura: 56:05

Whoa Laura.

Kertia: 56:08

You're hitting all the notes.

Laura: 56:13

I love this conversation. It's great.

Kertia: 56:15

I feel, very inspired.

Laura: 56:16

Today.

Kertia: 56:17

I love it, I love it, I love it. I will be a source of inspiration any day.

Laura: 56:25

Well, and you know, we talked about at the very beginning, about the, the energy of today, and honestly, I think a huge part of it is the energy of today yes this is a real. I think we're going to look back at this in the future and see that this day in 2025 was an extremely pivotal day. Yeah, and look at all the threes 21 is a three it's the third month.

Laura: 56:55

Yeah, and 2025 is a nine, which is three, three three, three it's literally three, three, three all the way across yeah and three, I'll tell you, is a divine number, because every single major religion or thought process, belief system, has a trilogy of some kind yeah okay, I don't care whether you're talking about christianity, father, son and holy ghost or well, I won't anyway to druids me. Every major religion, every thought form has some form of trilogy within it, and the triangle, which is our three again, is also the base of all sacred geometry.

Kertia: 57:48

Yeah, yeah.

Laura: 57:51

I'm just a little sponge. I'm a knowledge sponge.

Kertia: 57:54

It's knowledge so true, it's so true, it's so true.

Laura: 57:58

I love it, I love I just love putting all the p because it's like this huge puzzle. I think that's actually part of our purpose. Coming to this earth is for us because part of it was forgetting when we're born in here. We forgot everything, all the wonderful things that we knew from all these different lives, and part of it was putting together this huge puzzle of understanding of what's really going on and what's really happening, and that's how I've always thought about religions, too and all the sacred books. Nobody has all the answers.

Laura: 58:36

The only way that we get to find out the answers is by putting everything together, and this is why unity and sharing is so important, because anybody who thinks this is where I have a problem with some religions, because they think that they have it all, and if you don't believe exactly how they believe, then you don't know anything yeah, okay yeah, and they're all as bad.

Laura: 59:03

One is as bad as the other, so it's just oh yeah, so uh. But my belief system, everything that I've been shown, is that we have to put all those beliefs together, all those books together all the magic together, all of us together, in order to really finish the puzzle. It's the biggest puzzle you've ever seen. Like you see these puzzles that have like 5,000 or 10,000 pieces. Well, this is like oh my god, just imagine how many pieces are in this puzzle.

Kertia: 59:35

Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's all about love and unity. You know what we can do when we come together well, yeah, and it's all you know.

Laura: 59:46

It's all about that collaborative energy. Yeah, because nobody can do it by themselves yeah, yeah.

Laura: 59:54

And that's what I mean. I learned something and that's why I love speaking with people, whether it's clients, whether it's doing something like this, like a podcast, whether it's in some kind of networking group or whatever. Whenever we're relating to other people, we're always learning, because they're have energy to give to us and we have energy to give to them, and the combinations of those things you all of a sudden have. You start putting pieces together, because you have some pieces maybe that I didn't have, and then I have some pieces that maybe you didn't have, and you know if there was other people in the room. Of course there's all kinds of people in the other room, but that's a whole nother topic oh yeah, in your room, in my room, um, so it's, you know, that's how we find.

Laura: 1:00:39

So this is why this isolationist of any form okay them and us them, and us them, and all this stuff that's going on right now, yeah, uh, is the worst possible thing and and it's actually, I believe, formulated to keep us in the dark, because as long as you keep people separate and you don't allow them to collaborate, then they can't find all the pieces of the puzzle and then you can keep them and guess what fear.

Kertia: 1:01:12

Yeah, okay, that's probably a good place to end, yeah this is such an amazing conversation, I think we need to do another. You know, as you said, laura 2.0.

Laura: 1:01:31

I've had that quite often, but it's fun, fun. I would be more than happy to do that with you.

Kertia: 1:01:37

This was so good, laura. Thank you so much. I'm so honored to have had this conversation with you today. As you said, today is auspicious. The threes are, you know, like we can see, I didn't even realize that.

Laura: 1:01:52

Yeah, the synchronicities are happening. Thank you so much.

Kertia: 1:01:54

You know, like we can see, I didn't even realize that. Yeah, the synchronicities are happening. Thank you so much. I really love this conversation. I'd love for you to just end by telling us where we can find your work and access your services and all the good stuff.

Laura: 1:02:07

Okay, well, it's really easy to find me. I'm sure you're going to put all this in all my links in the show notes, but it's super easy to find me. I'm sure you're going to put all this in all my links in the show notes, but it's super easy to find me. You can find me on my website at wwwspiritspeakstothenumber2.me, and easy, the easiest way, if you're interested in doing a session or getting some more information, is to just email me at laurahorwig at gmailcom. Perfect, and all my social links. I'm all over Facebook, so that's another easy way to find me and our wonderful hostess will give you the links. And thank you very much. I really, really enjoyed this conversation, so that's great.

Kertia: 1:02:48

It was my pleasure. Thank you so much, Laura. You're welcome Pleasure.

Laura: 1:02:51

Thank you so much, laura, you're welcome.

Kertia: 1:02:57

Thank you so much for sticking it out with us. I hope this conversation provided you with something helpful and, as with anything, take whatever resonates with you and leave whatever doesn't. Whether you agree or don't agree, tell us what you think Again by clicking the send us a text link that you'll see right above the show notes. I believe that's on the top left of the show notes. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. You know, as I said earlier on, it's all about creating a dialogue, especially around the things that are difficult for us to speak about or difficult for us to understand. So I really enjoy being in conversation with you. Thank you so much, until next time.