CAPITAL… Your New God | with Aaron Scott

Key Takeaways:

-  Identity is often shaped by societal norms and expectation. Reclaiming autonomy and recognizing the interconnectedness of all things is essential for reforming true identity. 

- Anything that we’ve created, we can change. 

- Your thoughts and your emotions are not who you are, you are just experiencing them. 

If you’ve ever felt successful on paper yet disconnected at your core, you need to listen to this. Aaron Scott—former Wall Street professional turned personal development coach— traces how performance culture, consumerism, and institutionalized religion quietly program identity and numb our natural sense of the sacred. Aaron is raw and relatable. 

He unpacks the illusion of separation and why it’s the master story beneath so much fear, anxiety and burnout- expanding on the institutionalization of religion and how over time, the feminine was suppressed, while the masculine was  overextended, and balance lost. Aaron identifies this shift as one that altered our belief systems, shaped our nervous systems, our workplaces and our moral compass- connecting the dots between shareholder primacy, extraction, and the way we treat our own energy as an endlessly scalable resource. Aaron further examines AI - as a mirror of our values—not the destiny of human consciousness, but the endpoint of a narrow, calculative model of mind.

This conversation doesn’t stop at critique; it offers a path back to wholeness, as Aaron shares clear, grounded practices for reclaiming inner sovereignty: meditation and breath work to reduce reactivity, reframing thoughts to break performance scripts, and everyday choices that restore reciprocity—rest, real food, presence, and limits that honour our biology. Opening room for a lived spirituality where consciousness participates in reality.

All links to our guest's work and official site

Website ➡️ https://www.theaaronscott.com

Instagram Account ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/theaaronscottofficial/

TikTok ➡️ https://www.tiktok.com/@theaaronscott

Chapters

• 0:00 Intro
• 2:47 Introducing Aaron Scott’s Background
• 4:49 Questioning Ritual Without Meaning
• 9:56 Wall Street, Performance, And Identity Split
• 17:13 The Illusion Of Separation
• 23:40 Reclaiming The Everyday Sacred
• 30:02 How Systems Shape Who We Become
• 37:01 Balance, Reciprocity, And Extraction
• 43:18 Suppressing The Feminine And Overextending The Masculine
• 50:22 AI As A Mirror Of Our Misunderstanding
• 55:53 Daily Practices For Inner Sovereignty
• 1:02:10 The Architecture Of Awakening: Inside The Book
• 1:08:25 Science Meets Spirituality
• 1:12:20 Closing, Where To Find Aaron, Final Notes

Transcript

Kertia: 0:00

Hello everyone, just a quick announcement before we jump in. So, for the past two years, we have been primarily audio with this podcast. So, for those of you who are accustomed to listening to the audio only version, the videos are now available on our YouTube channel. So look us up, the other side of Fair on YouTube. And as usual, if these conversations resonate with you, continue to share with your family, with your friends, with your colleagues, with anyone that you feel might equally resonate with these conversations. I also quickly want to say that for this episode, I had an issue with my throat. I'm not sure what was happening, but for the entire month, my throat was giving me a hard time. Maybe it's a throat chakra issue. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. But needless to say, this conversation was so much fun. I spoke with Aaron Scott. He is a personal development coach who speaks a lot on the topic of conscious capitalism after spending almost two decades working on Wall Street. So he has quite a unique perspective on a lot of the systemic issues that deeply impact us all. And a lot of what he speaks about in this conversation is also the focal point of his podcast, The Evolved Podcast, where he explores how social, religious, and economic systems profoundly shape our consciousness, which truly highlights the various delusions we've all agreed to operate under. So his current work is really focused on helping people regain clarity in their lives and to return to their own inner alignment. I truly feel that this is such a powerful conversation because listen to him speak was such a grounding experience. And I honestly feel like it's the perception shift that we've all needed for a very long time. And I'm really interested to know what you all think about this conversation. So you can text us by finding the send us a text link, which you'll see just above the show notes below this episode. Alright, let's get into it. Alright, Erin, I'm really um excited to get into this conversation with you. My throat is a little bit off.

unknown: 2:58

Okay.

Kertia: 2:58

So it's a bit of a struggle. Uh my apologies if I'm coughing all the time in between, but I will mute myself if I am so inclined.

Speaker 4: 3:12

If I feel like I'm choking. Okay.

Speaker 4: 3:15

It might I might add like some authenticity, so you might not want to want to can't you know cancel the sound.

Kertia: 3:20

No, if I know like it's gonna be a big one, then yeah. Usually I will just like lean back and just do my thing. But yeah, if it's a big one that I feel like my throat has been off for the past week. So maybe it's just a lot of the talking. Maybe I need to give my myself some throat care. All right, let's get into it. So you talk a lot about the systems in society, and you also talk about spiritual awakening and a lot of realizations that happen in between that. You said you spent a long time on Wall Street, so you have like a blend of like really concrete, grounded society stuff, and then you have also this um spiritual realization um happening, right? So, first, what I'd like to get into to provide some context into where you're coming from, I'd love to know do you have any type of spiritual or religious upbringing? Like, what was that like for you? Like, give me a little bit of a gist of what your upbringing was like, and kind of like how you got into um the work that you've been doing for such a long time.

Aaron: 4:43

Yeah, so I was raised, I guess, in a quasi religious upbringing. My father was um was an observant Jew, and um I don't know if you're familiar with the religion, but uh most of like the prayers and like high holiday celebrations are conducted in Hebrew, right? And I kind of like noticed from a young age that like people would just kind of like go to temple and congregate and recite prayers for hours, having absolutely no idea what they were singing. They weren't like reading the translations, right? And so from a very young age, I was kind of like suspect, if that makes sense, of like of like the whole of like the whole structure. I was kind of like okay, I get it, and I believe in like a higher you know power, but like this certainly is a strange way of tapping into that, and um it didn't really seem like a real connection anyway. So even if like you agreed, or even if you even if like you could decipher what was being um you know said in the prayers, or you like read the translations, even then you're still kind of in many ways like disconnected from anything really spiritual, right? So from a very like from a very, very young age, I was kind of again, I was kind of like suspect, or I was kind of wanting, if you will, right? And um really all my life I've had a very acute interest and thirst for information and knowledge. I can't really explain it more than that. You know, at university, when all of my friends were studying, you know, accounting and finance, I was I, you know, I was studying philosophy and economic theory because I just I just always had like this I don't know, deeper drive or deeper interest and meaning for things I want. I wanted to understand why things were set up the way they were. I wanted to understand what the you know the foundation, the bedrock was for um you know morals, values, I mean the whole the whole thing, really. So so you know, my kind of journey, I would say formally probably started at at the university, uh, at the time around the university, uh, where again I was doing a lot of just kind of research through my coursework and trying to understand things better. I came to kind of a uh so I've been I've been you know I've been kind of going along this path for you know over two decades, really. And again, to your point, I I've had this real kind of like practical experience with working on Wall Street. I've also um founded some companies and I've been kind of in the mix, right? So which I think lends a nice perspective, obviously a practical perspective. About, you know, a couple of years ago, I kind of like reached a breaking point um with myself, where again, um, well, to back up, you know, kind of when I went into the industry when I started working on Wall Street, I kind of consciously knew at the time that I had to literally like push off an entire side of my my being. It's one way that I could really like conceptualize what I was doing. But I knew that in order in order to kind of like pursue this life, I had to block out a part of myself. Um, what part of myself that was, I didn't necessarily, I wasn't really necessarily able to verbalize at the time.

Speaker 5: 8:37

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 8:37

Uh now I kind of have been able to. But but what happened you know, what kind of happened and what accumulated over all the years is I I kind of like kept having to push back, and it created, I think, in many ways, kind of like mini trauma. Year after year, I was losing you know, close relationships, I was not valuing friendship, I was not again, kind of my entire ethical, call it moral, whatever you want to call it, infrastructure was just completely eroded. And I had to keep up with performance. I had to always be focusing on money myopically, always be kind of like glued to my desk. And I was just kind of like, you know, I have two young children, I was kind of like, what the what the heck am I doing? You know, let's take a step back and reassess what's going on here. And kind of at the time, given again all the kind of work that I've done and my you know, kind of high-level understanding, and even the work that I did um on a more iterative base iterative basis, and then after um really formalizing this effort, um I started expressing these things, I think, in in more of kind of like this context, if that makes sense. That gives you hopefully that gives you a decent background.

Speaker 1: 9:50

Yeah. First, what you were just saying about, you know, about your religion. I think like a lot of religions have that issue. Like whether you go to a church, a synagogue, um, a mosque, you know, reading the task, not really connecting with what the task is saying, you know what I mean? And you're congregating, you're, you know, talking to your friends, you're just there sitting absorbing information that's been given to you. You kind of like leave the interpretation of what is written to the priest or the pastor, um, or whoever it may be, the imam, you know. So I find that it happens a lot in religious institutions. And then you kind of go home and go about your regular life, and nothing much changes, and you're still disconnected, and you're still unhappy, and you're still stuck in a lot of the cycles that you're stuck in every single day, and not much is different about you or your life, or your understanding about life, or your understanding about yourself and your purpose, and all those things. So I found it like really amusing when you said that because I've observed that literally everywhere. It's everywhere.

Speaker 4: 11:20

And it's right and funny. And look, and you know, kind of a big part of my effort again is to really go back to the origin stories of every religion, of and looking, and in doing so, what you find, and I'm sure that you're aware of this, but you find like a real before the before the texts um were completely um altered, right? With Christianity, this took this took place um at the Council of Nicaea when the Roman Empire decided to take over the religion. There were massive changes made to the text, there were additions, there were subtractions. I mean, you name it. Um this happened with with uh Judaism during the Babylonian exile, which was the major kind of change to the text where um you know kind of kind of like the the priest, the priestly um status was incorporated, and the and the there was some real kind of ardent um focusing on like dogmatic, legal, kind of rigid doctrine. Uh so anyway, it took place with you know within Islam, you know, Prophet uh you know Muhammad married a woman, and the feminine kind of component was part of the story for a long time, and then there was kind of like this patriarchal institutionalization. So, you know, this is this institutionalization took took place across all, certainly Abrahamic religions, but even in the Eastern philosophies, right? And um this was kind of when I started learning this stuff, it was kind of like a real revelation for me. And it kind of you know only further quenched my thirst because I wanted to understand why that happened, right? Why are rabbis the intermediaries? Why are priests, why, why are male sorry, why are you know male rabbis the intermediaries? Why are why are male priests the ones who intermediate between the individual and the divine, right? So again, the you know my pursuit has been in many ways to understand the the systemic changes that took place that compartmentalized spirituality or the sacred of the divine in such a way, right? So um, I don't know if you want me to keep going, but I I I can, but but I guess very quickly, the main takeaway you see is um a very well widespread knowing of the divine, the sacred, the spiritual in everyday life, right? Before the institutionalization of religion, the divine was accessed through the everyday experience. Yeah. It wasn't something that was relegated to holidays or to going to a temple or a church. It was something that could be accessed and experienced. Every day you could see it, you could recognize it. You know, everything from the, you know, the um lunar cycles, solar cycles, the um the menstrual cycle that women have, the, you know, there is an alignment, there is an attunement with everything that goes on. We are, we are part of nature, we are not living in nature, right? There is a symbiosis, there is an ecosystem that transcends many planes, right? And I, and what basically what I've what I was able to kind of deduce, I think, is what transpired is, you know, in order to institutionalize religion, you have to remove those things that cannot be dogmatic and that cannot be enforced and rigid. And and there was this real understanding of the of the masculine versus the female essences forces, right? The masculine was sort of the the the energy of like reciprocity and regeneration and um deeper meaning and emotion. And and the male was kind of like the the, you know, think of it like kind of like the the force that allows um the deeper meaning to transcend to this realm, you know, like like um logic for the man versus uh versus you know mystical understanding or deeper meaning for the world. And and you s and you see this kind of all over the place. You even see it in scripture where with the um the Holy Trinity is really in truth, it's it's that it's it's an alchemy where they talk about where it's really about you know the the masculine thought and the feminine emotion coming together and then creating in the world. So so there was a suppression of of this feminine energy, right? And um it it was probably the greatest spiritual shift that that mankind or humankind has experienced. And it's it's created what we now have as as religions. It was a it was an overt removal of part of part of this spirituality or this divine connection that we have and can experience you know every single day. Um, I've got a lot more to say on that, but I'll stop there.

Speaker 1: 16:29

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. I love everything you just said. Um going back to, and we're gonna get into this some more, but first, going back to what you were saying about when you were working on Wall Street, when you were so kind of like disconnected from yourself and disconnected from your life, right? When did you begin, at what point did you begin to kind of deconstruct your own identity and your kind of like place in the world and what your place in the world truly means? Um, because you were like, as you said, like you were like so focused on work, you were at the desk, you kind of didn't um at a time, you weren't uh having this wholesome experience where there was this harmonizing between who you are as an individual versus like the relationships around you, you know, like making space for that, the relationships around you, your relationship to life, your relationship to yourself. Because, you know, listening to you, what I heard was you were pretty much cut off from who you truly were. And so because of that, it hindered your ability, you it hindered your ability to connect with others, right? So I'd love to know how did you begin to deconstruct your own identity and you know, like what that meant for you.

Speaker 4: 18:04

Yeah, so um I would say that again, my I was kind of acutely aware again of who I was or who I am when I embarked on, you know, kind of my professional endeavors. But I also knew that in order to um operate within the systems, right, within the construct of society economic systems, that I had to um ascribe values and beliefs to whatever those systems were. It's just just part of the it's just part of the deal, right? If you're going to operate in a capitalist framework, then in order to succeed, you must uh abide by and adhere to the respective ideology, which which is kind of maybe not known to people, but you know, the idea of like the end justifies the means, the um the idea that you know the the kind of like shareholder maximization ideology where you know the bottom line, all that matters is that the shareholder is maximized, right? Like literally, that's that's the company's moral obligation, right? So if it means that you have to, maybe it's legal, but you have to destroy an entire um you know ecosystem by taking down rainforests in Brazil, that's part of the deal. Like that's just what it is. So what people don't realize is that that ideology bleeds into the individual who is performing or you know, living under that construct, just the way it is, right? You may not recognize it, you know, you may not be self-aware, but it's what you're doing, right? You're going and it's and it goes beyond morals, right? It goes, it goes into like your daily life, where you know you are waking up at an early hour, you're spending your entire what you know, your entire daylight hours at work for five out of the seven days of your week, and then you're relegating two days to the weekend, which effectively allow you to like squeeze everything in and recharge, right? Yeah so you you you are and and you might have to do it because that's what the system requires. That's what the to survive or to thrive past whatever benchmark you're you're using. But but that right there, um, not not I'm not judg no judgment, but that right there tells you, right, where you are value, where you are valuing your time and how you value your existence, quite frankly. You you must accumulate money and you must live your life according to kind of the mental framework of just constant accumulation, which is the same mental framework as what major corporations do. It's just constant, endless growth, right? Probably about two years ago, I kind of um maybe had a a far deeper um introspection into my identity and the kind of performative identity that I was uh or character that I was playing, right, in your in my everyday life. Because everybody plays a character, whether they want to recognize it or not, right? They it's unconsciously or consciously, right? Like, yeah, and um what happens is when you grow up and you live in this in this framework, in this ideology, right? Again, whether you're conscious of it or not, um you must contort yourself. And in doing so, what happens is, and this obviously gets more intense as you're actually performing in the economy, but it also happens on a on a on a kind of lower, grand, less grander scale, even with education and indoctrination, where you know your identity is you know, you you're you're learning as a child that you know this there's this kind of like pass fail or A through F grading system, right? It's regimented, you know, you're taught to memorize beliefs, not question them, right? So you you your identity is based on performance. Um, you pass or you fail. This doesn't get lost, right? So as you go through the system, and then again, your survival is not based on performance, right? So you take this performative, almost like mechanized identity, and then you live your life based on that because you have to. You're driven by your ego. You're not allowed to really, you're not allowed to, you know, the spiritual or the sacred or divine is, it has to be pushed aside. And although you may be a believer in the back of your mind, it's what has to happen in order for you to, you know, really do what you have to do to, again, survive and live in this paradigm. Um, I started doing real introspection uh again, probably about two years ago, where I was able to dig real, you know, much deeper into understanding not just myself, but how a lot of this stuff can can impact and has an impact on any individual, no matter, no matter their social status or no matter their financial situation, it impacts everybody. And it goes kind of goes unnoticed and it's unknown. And it accounts for, for me, it accounted for a lot of um what I would call you know trauma and disconnection. Uh, and and that I believe is is the same experience that people are experiencing just by virtue of being thrown out of whack with our natural ebb and flow that um we all have inside of us. This is not, again, mystical. This is all part, this is all part of um our biology, our um, you know, our neurobiology. I mean, just it's all kind of there. So I hope that that answers it. Uh I know that wasn't an efficient response, but I hope that gives you an idea of what where I'm coming from.

Speaker 1: 24:02

Yeah, definitely. You know, yeah. As you were saying, to your point, a lot of our identity, and I think it takes a long time for a lot of us to recognize that a lot of our identity is tied up into things that are that has nothing to do with us, really. Right? There is based on achievement. As you said, there is always a performance, right? You show up, you perform, you pass, you fail, you rise, you fall, all of these things. So, you know, coming from that perspective, what does it look like now when you begin to turn the tide on that? Because how have you been able to, upon recognizing this, or I guess having been a seeker for such a long time, I'm assuming you've had some level of recognizing, you know, like you've recognized this for some time, but you had to perform regardless, as you said. So I'd love to know now, like how did you begin to kind of turn the tide on that? How can anyone even begin to undo that? Because as you said, the society that we live in requires us to be a certain way, requires us to put some aspects of ourselves to the side, as you did when you were performing in your role. Um, when you said, you know, if the shareholders require cutting down trees and destroying forests, then that's required. But that also affects the person, whether they realize it or not, on a very deep level. You look at the forest as something that is completely separate from you, that is some that is that has nothing to do with you. And this it's a forest over there in another country. It's not affecting your everyday life, but it does affect you internally, whether you recognize that or not. So I'd love for you to speak to that.

Speaker 4: 26:15

Yeah, sure. So, you know, I think the I think the Amazonian rainforest destruction, you know, I think that that speaks a lot to, you know, again, kind of like what a like what a corporation um is required to do, right? Now, like a human being, for example, is required to, let's say they're running a business, you know, um, and they have investors and um they need their profit margin to increase in order to keep up with the expected amount of money they're supposed to make, right? So a business is constantly trying to grow. It's infinite growth. Well, what do you have to do as a person to accommodate that infinite growth or even just maintain that growth? Like what you know, what margin are you making on your products? Are you a company that is exploiting cheap labor in Bangladesh to make t-shirts, right? Like that impacts the individual. When you have to, when your hands or your, you know, when your actual self touches that, right? Exploitation, um, taking advantage of people, right? It happens with the daily, with the everyday, with the everyday worker. What if, you know, what if somebody, you know, let's say somebody's buying from wholesale, they're buying something for two bucks, and and they can everybody else is getting it for three bucks, but they're still looking to make 200% on their on their markup. I mean, it's just it's little stuff like that, right? That impacts individual. They don't realize it, but it becomes part of their um compass, their moral compass. It's many ways, their moral compass is overridden by this new compass, right, which they're required to do. Um and I think that it impacts them spiritually without them knowing it. And um the identity question is a kind of very, very uh broad question. And I'll I'll start kind of answering it by saying um that you know we really operate under a lot of illusions. Okay. A major illusion that I talk about, I have an upcoming book, uh probably we'll be getting published in the next couple months now. I'm very excited about, but I talk about the illusion of separation, which exists globally, right? Where we believe that we are separate from everything around us, right? Where we don't believe we're connected to nature, we're not connected to the to other people, we're not connected to ecosystems. This is this is a complete illusion.

Speaker 5: 28:44

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 28:44

Why do I say that? Well, you know, we breathe, we we all exist because of these ecosystems. We breathe in air from vegetation, we expel carbon dioxide that they breathe. Um we have, you know, the microbes in our body come from the outside world. We are all part of the same nature. We are not living in nature with human beings. We have mirror neurons that are, you know, we are in many ways like structured and programmed to receive and you know operate relationally. We, you know, we see somebody cry, we we you know cry, we wince when somebody's getting hurt. You know, so we are we are deeply connected with with other people. Now, when you are raised in the paradigm, in the in the in the scientific materialist paradigm that we've all been raised in, everybody knows about guys like Renee Descartes or Isaac Newton. All of these guys pushed the scientific materialism, which and we all we you know, I learned it in school as well, in in grade school, um, and in high school, right? Where everything is material.

Speaker 5: 29:58

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 29:59

And like, The spirit or consciousness is just kind of like a weird, quirky byproduct, right? Yeah. But but the but the in truth, what you're learning is that you know, we are object, we are physical objects living in this jungle, in the survival of the fittest jungle, which by the way, survival of the fittest lie is another great story. But in in no, in no uh way are species ascending or surviving by cutting themselves off and destroying other species. It's well documented that that it is the it is the symbiotic ecosystem and the uh dependency upon other species that propel species upward in uh in a in an evolutionary capacity. So that that aside, right? So when you believe that through you through your whole life, when you're when you're told that you have to perform to excel in society, that you know you have industry being set up to exploit workers and to maximize profitability for corporations, when you have been indoctrinated to believe that you are just this material object by way of your formal educational schooling, when your religions are demanding that you access the spirituality in God through an external third part through an external third party, that you don't have the ability to access it within yourself. Well, what is it telling you, right? What identity are you garnering from that? Now, most people don't think about it to the in-depth level that I do. People might think that I'm, you know, being you know, just over curious and this is all irrelevant. But in truth, but in truth, to think that it's not impacting you, in my mind, is in in I think many like like-minded thinkers, is to be completely unconscious. I mean, to think that you have just miraculously established this way to live life that coincides with everybody else because it's just inherent to your being, this is the biggest, this is the biggest like level of confusion because um we aren't, and this is not how it works, right? We we we are learning, we are, we are we are impacted by all of these many things, all of our many experiences, right? And um this really transcends many planes, as do all of these discussions, but you know, quite simply where you know you're identifying again with your your worth and your material possessions and your success and your title and your all these things, these again are not who you are. Even further, you know, your thoughts and your emotions are not who you are. You you're you know, you're experiencing them. But to say to define yourself in this sort of like rigid capacity that like your thoughts are who you are. Well, what if one day you're really mad at somebody and then the next day you're really happy with them? These are fluid experiences, right? We experience them, but they are not us. So the question is, who are we, right? If not, if we aren't these things. And in kind of my you know, really drilling down endeavor, it's really hard to not think of your identity or your existence as kind of like I call it like um like you're a wave in the ocean, right? You are we because we're all connected, right? So we are kind of like this unique being experiencing itself in this form, in like Aaron and Kersha's unique form, right? But again, to say that we are this wave without an ocean is completely illogical. I mean, it makes no sense. How do you define a wave if you're not incorporating the ocean in your definition of it? It's just, and this is how, but this is how we construct our lives. This is how we live our lives. We live our lives as if we are this singular wave, not attached to source, not attached to anything divine or sacred. And guess what? When you live your life in that schism, when you adopt these ideologies, it impacts you on a very deep mental spiritual level. And this is really kind of like a big part of what I'm looking to reveal to people. And in doing so, I believe that people, if they're empowered with this kind of information and they're able to kind of like um get more curious and dig a little deeper, then they then these people too will realize that they are not, you know, forced to identify with these vapid things that will never make you happy. Forget about even identity. They won't make you happy. They're not who you are. So that's you know, that's kind of my effort. And I saw a big void kind of in that practice with kind of like spirituality, um, in that a lot of people were looking to kind of like transcend the plane and access or think of spirituality in like a different realm. But in truth, spirituality exists in our everyday lives. We've just been taught that it doesn't by our own religions, whether we want to look at it that way or not. We just don't, we can't make the connection. But we don't have to go to church to access the divine. We don't have to go to an institution, just not reality. So, and I don't mean to be like rude or like to be, I'm not trying to be like disrespectful, but to live your life identifying who you are, the way that you are, in this performative, object-based, disconnected from spirit or divine identity, is to be delusional. You are living a, you are living a you are living a fragmented, delusional life, and it creates a diluted reality for you, right? So all of these people, which is really remarkable when you think about it, because all of these people who are spiritual and are trying to incorporate spirituality into their lives, like they're looked upon as being like strange. Why? Because society has been indoctrinated to look at life the complete opposite way. And it's by virtue of our social systems and how we internalize the requirements, both consciously and unconsciously. These are this is just the fact. So again, I found a disconnect between the practical and the spiritual. So I really feel like if we can make that connection for if I can make that connection for people, it will have a positive impact in awakening and in realization. I just gobbled up so much time, I'm sorry. But I wanted to kind of give you I want to give you kind of like, you know, where this comes from and why. And I know personally, and it's also kind of like, wow, why do you care? Why are you doing this? Well, I experienced so much kind of like pain and trauma living this schism and knowing what other people are going through. Um, not and and in many ways, kind of like being burdened in the survivalist mentality, it forces you to it blocks you off from any kind of like higher level of consciousness. So you're always surviving, your ego is controlling you. You operate out of out of um habit and reaction, no introspection, right? Um, and I see the world, and it's you know, although people are awakening, we're still in a really dark place. And I feel like anything that I can do to kind of like empower people to you know, restructure identity and to realize that they are not chained by these systems, that they are bigger than these systems, that they are bigger than their identity. I I view that as kind of like a necessary thing to do.

Speaker 2: 37:56

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 38:05

You've been doing great, by the way.

unknown: 38:11

Let me get my water.

Speaker 4: 38:18

Are you laughing at my response or you're laughing at your cough?

Speaker: 38:21

I'm laughing at it all. Okay.

Speaker 4: 38:24

Why do you not agree with me? You think what's so fun? What's so funny?

Speaker 1: 38:28

I agree with everything you just said.

unknown: 38:31

Okay.

Speaker 1: 38:31

It is so true. Listen, human beings are possibly the most delusional creatures on this planet.

Speaker 4: 38:41

Well, it's easily, easily manipulated, that's for sure.

Speaker 1: 38:45

Uh, yes. And as you said, it's all it all goes back to, as you were saying, believing that we are the wave, not recognizing our connectedness to the whole, to the entirety of everything, to each other, to nature, to source, and even, you know, religious people may think, well, you go to church or you go to the synagogue or you go to a mosque or whatever, and you think that that is your connection to source. But as you said, like your connection to source has nothing to do with a building, it has nothing to do with anyone else, it has nothing to do with this third party that you need to go through. It's in you, it's already within you. You are already experiencing your connection to source every single day in the very air that you breathe, right? So we have kind of like lost that concept entirely, and because of that, that is why we're so, of course, easily manipulated, because we have lost touch of all of that, our interconnectedness to everything that is here. But going back to your point, as you know, where we are today in the world as a society, you know, as a collective, I know like it looks like the world is burning, like everything is upside down, but I I do see more of these conversations happening. So I don't think we're a lost cause, but I want you not, I mean, like, I want to know, like, from your perception, right? What do you think we can do? And of course, it's it starts with the individual first, of course. But how do we deconstruct this society to create something that is truly focused on people first, to truly focus on you know, like what is in our greatest good, you know? Do you think that's even possible? Or will it take some type of catastrophe for us to begin to redirect ourselves?

Speaker 4: 41:15

I think that um our reformation, if you will, is far easier done than than perceived or than thought probably about by people. And I think that we need to, I think, I think in order to frame the conversation correctly, or in order to even look at this idea of like a revolution, for example, right? A reformation, a revolution. We we always default to changing the external in order to change the internal, right? This is the fundamental flaw. So look at any revolution in the past. Look at the the uh you know, look at the Russian Revolution, Chinese Revolution, um, in many ways, even the American Revolution, uh, or the French Revolution for that matter. All of these systems were changed and overthrown through an external ideology, through a new mechanism of governance. Guess what? There was no thought given to the internal soul of the society. You know, so so right there, this is this is the problem. So we're always like, oh, this this candidate is gonna change everything. And what are they gonna change? They are beholden to an economic system. Capital right now rules everything, just the way it is. Politicians are corrupt, corporations have to perform, otherwise, they'll go out of business. People are starving to survive, right? So everything answers to capital. Period, end of story. If you have capital as your God, if you have capital as your governing body, it is by definition soulless in this in this form, right? We need to look inward. We the revolution will not be televised. You know why? Because it happens with every individual on an individual basis. And what does that look like? Well, it looks like you don't fight the system or the or the corruption system on its own terms. You can't uh you can't approach it that way. You're not gonna win that way. You don't have enough power or cloud or so you have to you have to go about it by by having an individual change. And through that transformation, that individual will experience. And it doesn't have to be this like transcendental, you know, moving to Tibet level. It happens on a day-to-day basis. It's about reincorporating what's been removed from you or what you've removed from yourself as part of your daily life because your spirituality, your sacred connection, your divine connection has never been removed from you. It's been forgotten, or it's been um kind of like you've been so distracted that you don't have the ability to focus on it. So it's my belief that by incorporating spiritual, sacred type practices into your daily life and reframing your thinking around identity and how you approach the world on a day-to-day basis, this is how things change. And it's through truth and knowledge because people don't have a true understanding of things. This misinformation, disinformation, forget about like on a spiritual religious level. I mean, that was like the biggest, the biggest hijacking of spirituality, you know, by institutions, you know, centuries ago. You know, we have to kind of claw back from that. But, you know, on a day-to-day basis, where whether it's, you know, why isn't it normal for us to meditate for 15 minutes every morning? Why isn't it normal for us to give ourselves things like you know affirmations, to to consciously adjust our reality as we face today? Why is why isn't that important? Well, because it's thought of as like crazy talk. It's thought of as not relevant. Or so it's it's these small steps by re you know, I call it like kind of like a disintegration and then a remembering, where we where we don't allow these systems in our daily, you know, professional life or work control all of our consciousness, where we let back in our spiritual consciousness into the equation. Yeah, that's how things change. That's how systems change. And because all of these systems are embodiments of our consciousness, whether we want to recognize it or not. Yeah, they really are. You people want to place blame, and you know, these guys are manipulating the world. These guys are it's a it's a reciprocity, it's a give and take.

Speaker 2: 45:59

Yes.

Speaker 4: 45:59

You know, if you want to be the victim, you can, but guess what? You have the ability to create, you have the ability to change. And so too, do we as a society have the ability to change the nature of these systems, to change the consciousness behind these systems? That's the truth. We created it, we can change it.

Speaker 1: 46:17

Yeah, I love that you pointed that out because it's so easy to look at what's happening and think that is completely external, like it's the corrupt guys, it's the bad guys, and they did this and they did that, and they're making all the wrong choices. But everything that we see in the world today is possible because we participated in it, right? We co-created everything together: the wars, the starvation, everything. Everything that anyone can look down and say, oh, this is a bad thing, and these are the people who are responsible for it. Yes, we know that there are direct players in it, but we indirectly also have a hand in it. We help to co-create these things by the things that we agree to, by our for by forgetting, you know, our core, who we are, coming back to our identity, our spirituality, by forgetting how interconnected we are. And in so doing, then it's easily, then we easily get manipulated and distracted and fearful, and then making choices based on the fears that we have from the things that we have, I guess, ingested from society. And so everything that comes out from that, that this is why the world looks the way it looks. And so, like to your point, that that is exactly it. We created everything as it is. So who is to be blamed, really?

Speaker 4: 47:49

And and and like and we can we can exactly, and he look, there's definitely people who there's definitely people who are perpetrating uh and who are corrupt and who are looking to take advantage of this kind of like schism, right? There are people, most people, however, who are you know who are power players who have a lot of money, I don't even think they're aware of like the metaphysical minutia going on. I really don't think. I think maybe there are maybe there, I'm sure there are people in the know um who um are familiar with with kind of this, but I would say on a on a majority basis, that's just not the case, right? Um but what I what I will say is that um trying to think our best to to kind of phrase this, but what I will say is that it's really easy to connect kind of what's going on when you look at ideas like balance and reciprocity, right? Like right there. The universe operates with complete, you know, the what is what is the uh what is the the complete efficiency in the in the most um direct manner possible, something to that effect, right? Like like the hexag the hexagonal shapes of honeycombs are for a reason. It's maximum efficient, oh no, it's least amount of effort, maximum efficiency. That's that's the program of the universe. It's what it's why you know um a bubble forms the way it does. It's why honeycombs are shaped the way they are. It's it's when light travels, that's the path it takes, right? We too should be operating along that kind of same program. But we've we've kind of like put this like override program on where balance isn't part of the equation, efficiency isn't real efficiency isn't part of the equation. We are sacrificing and we are doing, you know, that's not the way the universe works. We have no balance. Reciprocity is not part of the part of the discussion. Extraction and optimization is what we look at, right?

Speaker 5: 49:50

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 49:51

So right there on those three basic levels, you can kind of start to understand where we're lacking. And I think anybody, any conscious human being, would recognize that they are imbalanced and that they're not always looking to give and take. They're mostly looking to take, take, take, take, take.

Speaker 5: 50:10

Right?

Speaker 4: 50:10

Just like very basic stuff. You can you can start piercing the veil and understanding where that kind of disconnection in ideology or even just you know conscious awareness has taken place and has and has um really uh shown itself in everyday behavior.

Speaker 2: 50:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 50:33

It's really simple to get it's really simple to make the connection. It's just it's about seeing it and understanding why it's why it's the way it is.

Speaker 1: 50:43

Yeah, and just um, you know, going back to what you were speaking about at the beginning, about suppressing the feminine energy, you know, when it comes to religion and a lot of our belief system, actually, because uh, you know, like it all starts from the same foundation, like being interconnected with everything else, operating from a space, from your heart space, from love and all of these things. And like we can see how everything gets distorted after time, even the Eastern religions, right? They they also have their own distortions. So I'd love for you to kind of speak to that some more as well, and and how that kind of plays a role into what we see today. Because I mean, I know this is really broad because this can go in every direction possible.

Speaker 4: 51:41

That means it's a good question.

Speaker: 51:43

Literally, it can go in every direction possible, and we'd be sitting here all day talking about this is this alone.

Speaker 1: 51:50

But just, you know, like from off top of your head, what you can gather right now, how the suppression and the depletion of the feminine, of the divine feminine, how that plays a role into the separation that we see today, into the distortion that we see today, into the disconnection that we see today.

Speaker 4: 52:16

Right. Well, look, I I think that um first people have to understand how impacted they are by their belief systems and their ideology, whether it's kind of in their face or not, right? So I think that's kind of like a the first step people have to make. And they, you know, people think, I think today people think that like they are fully autonomous and they're like they're making all the decisions and nothing has impacted them. Their consciousness is all theirs, and nothing else around them has impacted them. And they were able to discern whether or not something's impacting them. If you talk to somebody and have an interaction, it's impacting you. You are now changed because of that interaction. Whether they said hello or goodbye or had a two-hour discourse, it doesn't matter. You're you you're you're impacting and you're changed. People, I don't think, can make the connection on a deeper level or on a deep level, how these changes manifest in their being or in their consciousness, right? Um, I can certainly go into you know where the institu where the institutionalization kind of transpired if you'd like, but you know, basically when you when you go back to the reason for the institutionalization, right? You had uh you had basically, you know, you had people who were living on this planet, and there were like forces that were outside of their control. Whether it was natural disasters or famine or competing, you know, I don't know, enemy, whatever it was, people trying to kill, you know, whatever it was. You had things that were out of the out of your control, and especially with respect with respect to like the divine or to the sacred, right? And when kind of the initial institutionalization took place, it was kind of on the back of that where people were, I think, trying to wrap their hands around the idea of God or the source or you know, whatever, however you want to kind of, or however they digested it, right? And um basically, you know, people had kind of like direct communion with like with the divine through like you know moon cycles or dreams and rituals, right? These kind of became formalized into institutional beliefs, yeah, right. So, so you had um, you know, as societies grew more complex, spiritual authority moved from like the collective, the everybody, you know, the kind of like the everybody can experience it to the few. It was it was kind of like wardened off, you can only access it again through this through this third party. And you know, kind of like what were they, what were they, what were they really um cutting off? What was because you can it's one thing to discuss like, oh, the sacred feminine, but what exactly were they doing, right? And when you look at in truth what they were doing, is they were they knew that in order for them to take control or power and and structure society the way that they wanted to, that they would have to usurp the natural order of the universe, the natural order of earth, the natural order of the human being. Because anybody who is anybody who was in tune spiritually with, I mean, or just in tune with themselves, knew that this rigid institutionalization was in direct opposition to everything that they were taught about the sacred or divine or spiritual. This is why we had the, this is why we had the Inquisition, this is why we had um, you know, the the holy wars, why we had, you know, just the dark ages, all these examples of the church mass murdering people because they wouldn't adhere to their to their new institutionalized religion.

Speaker 2: 56:14

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 56:14

But what they were suppressing wasn't just the idea of the feminine and her, they were suppressing this deep connection that we have to the earth, to the universal order, to the pattern of things. This is this is what they were severing. And they not only severed the the uh the sacred feminine, but they overextended the masculine. So it wasn't enough, it wasn't enough to just sever off the emotional, uh, intuitive, you know, tied to cycles and rhythms and vibration part of yourself. Then they had to overextend the masculine. The masculine, in truth, is supposed to be this kind of like protective entity, this logic through which action is directed, right? This kind of a framework, the mountain versus the lake or the river, like that kind of the mountain being the masculine in a metaphorical sense, the the feminine being like the river. So kind of kind of stuff like that as a kind of a framework. Um, and what happened was instead of the masculine simply kind of keeping things in order and keeping a balance in order, it became a just it was perverted, distorted, inverted, overexcepted, whatever you want, whatever you want to call it. And now it's the only governor of kind of action and um even like morality, right? Where when you have when you have this kind of like logic-based, materialist-based, objectified identity where you know, kind of like you're entirely focused, not just consciously, but you're your the output of your actions um are looking to optimize, maximize, uh, survive, bring in the most amount of money possible, measuring yourself to other people, um, you know, identifying with brands and the goods that you have, right? This is what that schism creates. It creates a misidentification. And this is this is this is again a crucial fact that people don't kind of make the connection to. It's it wasn't just about that severing from a spiritual sense. That spirituality manifests itself in real ways, in the simple balance of your life, right? Like we're kind of talking about before. The rhythms of your life, sleeping and waking up, you know, working 20 hours a day for two weeks straight is not natural. It's going to impact you, right? Um, being told that, I mean, there's just so many ways that you're impacted by it, right? So, so this is how that separation manifests itself. And you're right, it transcends in in some way, shape, or form, it transcended all of these belief systems, Eastern philosophies included, where the man was put above the female because that is how people were able to institutionalize and maintain power and control. The second you bring back in the considerations under this feminine divine energy, these power structures crumble. Because you can't have both. The end doesn't justify the means with consideration. We can't extract forever with consideration. We can't grow infinitely with consideration. It doesn't work. These have to be, you know, side note, these have to be uh reintegrated into the way we pursue our lives, our economic systems, our businesses. Because if we don't, we are only going to keep this perpetual cycle of you know, more growth, more, more, more, more, more into an insatiable appetite. We're not, we're not, no one's ever going to be satisfied living like this. And and And one more thing quickly. If you look at like AI, artificial intelligence, I mean, what is the better, what is the better kind of like example of this mentality, this consciousness? People think that AI is the evolution of humanity, of human consciousness. It is it is the most blatant example of a of our misunderstanding of human consciousness. If we believe that our human consciousness was solely logic, this masculine energy without any connection to the divine or the sacred sacred, then yes, this is what AI is. But guess what? We don't even understand our own consciousness, our own intelligence. And we are going to decide that this is the destined evolution of humanity. It is not. It is a destined evolution of a way of constructing human consciousness. It is not, it is in direct opposition. And I don't want to get like prophet, you know, prophetic here or talk about prophecy, but I mean, if you want to talk about an idea of an antichrist, I don't know what a better idea of an antichrist is than a fully sentient artificial intelligence. It is the embodiment of everything that the society values and everything that the society does not value and doesn't recognize to be even real.

Speaker 2: 1:01:22

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:01:22

I'll stop there, but sorry.

Speaker: 1:01:27

I love it. Oh my goodness. I'm enjoying this, you know. I am too. I'm kind of just sitting back and I'm just like, okay, let's go there. You know, I'm kind of just allowing you to go in any direction that you want. I love it.

Speaker 4: 1:01:43

I appreciate the loving it.

Speaker: 1:01:49

Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:01:49

I can't I can't tell if you are or not. I'm like, uh, should I stop? Should I keep going?

Speaker: 1:01:53

No, no, for real, though. For real.

Speaker 1: 1:01:56

I'm honestly, genuinely enjoying this so much. I am with you on everything that you said. Um, what does your spirituality look like now?

Speaker 4: 1:02:09

My personal spirituality is about um really reframing my consciousness on a day-to-day basis. If you look at you know affirmations or manifestation practices, while I don't necessarily agree with a lot of what those movements have to say, if you look at the essence of them, it's about the simple understanding that that you are not your thoughts and your and your emotions and your feelings, and that you have power over them. You are the one who can impact how you react or respond to things going on in your in your life. If something happens to you and your default kind of like responses to like get worried and then to recoil and like go into depression, or you know, that you know, certainly there are there are like chemical imbalances at play, but but if you're going to you know recoil on a kind of a peripheral level, um you have control over your response. You you have in many ways decided to allow that to be a response. Now, you could also reframe it as look, this terrible happened, this thing that was terrible happened to me, um, or something that I have to deal with. I'm going to be positive. I'm going to motivate myself to respond differently, to find the silver lining here, to reframe my future actions, right? It's about taking control of your thoughts and your emotions and then living your life in opposition in many ways to the framework that we have been um indoctrinated to live our lives, life under, to recognize that these things that that people are so worried about. I mean, people die over, people are killed over land. Yeah. I mean, like, I mean, it it's it's crazy. People are killed over their beliefs, yeah, which are most of the time misinformed by both the by both the oppressor and the victim, right? Like, so so you know, to be able to, you know, for me it's about really kind of like regaining autonomy of my of my consciousness on a day-to-day basis. And I do that through um a lot of times just taking a step back through meditation, through breath work, through trying to gain greater perspective. Um, and in doing so, what you'll find is that your ego loses grip. Your ego isn't able to be the only governor of your actions. If you're able to take away some of that power, um, or even just, you know, first of all, the ego isn't all bad. But if it is the if if it is if it's controlling and overriding everything else, yeah, you run into problems, right? So, so you know, that's kind of what my um relationship with the divine looks like. I'm also very much, again, in tune with it and aware of just kind of like my physical experience, like knowing that I need to rest, knowing that drinking alcohol um, you know, just indiscriminately is not good. Eating processed foods is not good. Not just because like I might gain weight, but because it's running counter to the natural ebb and flow, the natural ecosystems of my body. And don't even don't trust me. Look at the look at the information. I mean, processed foods call it cause inflammation, call it cause heart disease, cause I mean, there's so many indicators. Companies, you know, were using these to because it was cheap and it was effective and they could get away with it with the FDA, but it's not good for you. So, like these are all kind of like spiritual, sacred um concepts that that bleed into everything. And yeah, you just have to look, you just have to look at it that way. You have to you have to reframe your thinking. So it's about reframing your consciousness for me and welcoming in my actual reality. Like sounds crazy, but welcoming in the actual reality of my full existence, my wholeness. This for me is what awakening and living consciously is about. It's it's about reattaching to the sacred and the divine that was never lost, was just suppressed or forgotten or not even considered. That that to me is is um the best way that I can kind of describe it. And again, importantly, it transcends all planes, it transcends your emotions, your thinking, your everyday interactions with yourself, with others, your job, you name it. It's all part of the equation. Because again, on a deeper level, as you as you noted, everything is connected. You can't get away from that. Everything is connected.

Speaker 1: 1:07:10

Yeah. Well, yeah. Thank you so much, Erin. This has been so much fun. I'd love for you to get into your book, The Architecture of Awakening. I'd love to know more what we can expect from that. And I'm sure a lot of what we discussed today, you've incorporated a lot of that into your book. So let's get into that.

Speaker 4: 1:07:33

Yeah, so I definitely have. I kind of like, I think I gave away the I think I gave away all the the juicy stuff here. But um, I'm actually it's kind of my cursory title is the artificial, the the um the architecture of awakening. I may be making a change based on my my publisher's uh request, but we'll we'll see what happens with that. But you know, just kind of like high level, I I the book is about um is about bringing first, you know, kind of like truth and knowledge to people, where either they've been led to think one thing is one way or another, and kind of giving information, not dogmatically, but that allows them to shift perspective and look at things differently, right? That that's kind of the beginning part of the book. And I talk about things like, again, these this illusion of separation and how the sacred was hijacked, institutionalized. I talk about, you know, like everyday things like consumerism, how that plays a role in objectification. And then I go into kind of like what an awakening looks like, right? Like what um why recognizing truth is so difficult when you've been living your life in an illusion.

Speaker 2: 1:08:49

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:08:49

Um, and then like kind of like steps that you can take to like survive that reconciliation. And then I talk about, again, you know, you you kind of asked us uh before, um, about how we can collectively, or individually and collectively, redesign a life um based on these sacred tenets, based on our sacred connection that we've been severed from. And then, and then I kind of finish it with, you know, what for an individual, what embodying, you know, your true nature looks like, and how you should be, or how different positive ways to kind of like live your life with this newfound, I call it like kind of power, this this newfound awakening and recognition. Because in truth, this is about empowerment and it's about sovereignty and it's about regaining autonomy because systems thinking and putting yourself as a cog in a wheel does the exact opposite. You are giving up autonomy and sovereignty. And with a perspective shift and and reintegrating the sacred or the divine or the spiritual uh components back into your life, that this is how you live a, in many ways, a happy and you know, an autonomous, sovereign life.

Speaker 2: 1:10:14

Yeah.

unknown: 1:10:15

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:10:15

That's so that's the book right there. And it's I I think that it, I I hope that I hope that it was um executed well because it's it's a lot, it's heavy, right? And it's a lot of information. But I think that the way I did it, I think that it gives people um a nice path to digest and then to kind of embody a lot of what I have to say.

Speaker 1: 1:10:37

It definitely sounds like a beautiful piece of a beautiful piece of work, Erin. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:10:42

We'll see how it's received. I hope so. I hope it's well received.

Speaker 1: 1:10:45

Well, I mean, whoever is meant to receive it will receive it, right? That's just that's just kind of how it is, you know. I agree with you. I agree with you. We all awaken when we're ready to, right? So, and that's just how it is. So, whoever is meant for will find it and definitely will receive that. So, yeah, I would say just continue doing the work and just leave the rest to source, right? Into the energy.

Speaker 4: 1:11:15

I agree, I agree, I agree, and I also I I I also agree that um, you know, this is kind of to me like a big life hack. Like it's about aligning with source. If you can align with like what you truly enjoy and what you truly believe and what truly inspires you, that's the secret. It's not about contorting into this model of what you think is rich, what you think is being rich or famous or this is not genuine. This is a construct. Yeah, go tapping into who you really are, that's aligning with source. That's really aligning with because it's not just about like the physical things you do, it's about it's your thoughts and your emotions are part of the part of the universe. There's a universal consciousness. I mean, physics shows that. So um anyway, that to me is like a big it's a big part of it that it goes unrealized.

Speaker 1: 1:12:07

Yeah, yeah. And you know, even you saying that a lot of what you spoke about today is such a keen reminder of how you know we've had this separation between science and spirituality for such a long time, and they're so interconnected. They are like the bread and butter of the thing.

Speaker 4: 1:12:31

Look at what quantum physics is discovering right now.

Speaker 1: 1:12:33

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:12:34

I mean, in the quantum realm. I mean, right there, that has debunked hundreds of years of science to put to to say that consciousness precedes the physical. Right there, right there, you've already shifted an entire way of looking at yourself and and and to also recognize that that your that your consciousness impacts that field. Yeah. Right? Like that changes everything.

Speaker 1: 1:13:04

That changes everything. Even just having a conversation with you right now, we are impacting each other. Something is shifting, whether you recognize it or not. If you say hello to someone on the elevator, right? If you smile at someone, you are shifting something without recognizing that. It's all energy, it's all frequency.

Speaker 4: 1:13:24

That's exactly right.

Speaker 1: 1:13:25

Exactly right.

Speaker 4: 1:13:27

So, I mean, yeah, just with us with us existing as vibrations. I mean, we are just we are just energy. We're just but no one lives their life that way. No, everyone thinks that they're you know skin and bone. It's another, it's another illusion, right? So people live in these illusory constructs. They have this illusory sense of everything, really. And we need to bring back reality into people's lives. It's really it's really that simple. This isn't about bringing in like hocus pocus fairy tales into your life. It's about bringing reality back into the fold. Uh it sounds crazy, and people think like people think that what we're talking about is crazy, but in truth, as I said before, it's about diluted reality versus real reality.

Speaker 1: 1:14:15

Real reality, exactly.

Speaker 4: 1:14:17

It's really what it is. So hopefully we get there soon.

Speaker 1: 1:14:21

Thank you so much for this conversation. This was so much fun. Um, tell us where we can find you, find your work. Anything that you're working on that you like to mention, please feel free. And um, your socials or anything else that we need to know about you.

Speaker 4: 1:14:36

Yeah, so I'm not I'm not too active on social media. I find it like hard to like just kind of like I feel like it's like very, I don't know, performative. I don't I don't do I don't do acting very well. But um I have a podcast called The Evolved Podcast with Aaron Scott. It's it's not a it's not a host guest podcast, it's it's a podcast of me discussing a lot of um sort of misperceived truths about things and giving a background on a lot of the systems that we live in and a lot of the things that those systems kind of create and um giving kind of the full story or the full picture so that people gain a better perspective or a deeper understanding. Um, so again, the evolved podcast with Aaron Scott. And then I have my book, The Architecture of Awakening. That title may change, but I'm expecting that to come out in uh in a couple months now, just working with the publisher and finalizing stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:15:30

That sounds amazing. Thank you so much, Erin.

Speaker 4: 1:15:34

Thank you for having me, Kurtra.

Speaker 1: 1:15:36

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