Born In Sin ??? - Born Divine, Not Broken | with Reginald Martin

Key Takeaways:

- The true meaning behind the concept of sin- a word used to describe opposition or adversary, not evil, as most of us have been taught.

- Our imagination is a portal to other worlds, dimensions and very real places we often dismiss as unrealistic. 

- There is no such thing as being fully healed before getting into a relationship, because it is through being in relation to one another, that various aspects of ourselves emerges to the surface.

Spiritual educator and Metaphysician, Reginald Martin wants you to know that the truth you’ve been seeking has been inside you all along. We unpack how unconscious religious conditioning strips our self worth, shapes our relationships, and even echoes through our health. Reginald talks about his strict religious upbringing, to his eventual discovery of the ancient teachings of Kemet, where he found concepts that inspired Greek philosophy and seeded early Christian ideas. The big shift: moving from “born sinful” to “born divine,” and from an external judge to an inner compass grounded in Ma’at—truth, balance, and reciprocity.

We explore how opposition works as a teacher rather than as a tormentor, by reframing the concepts of sin and satan, originally known as Set (ST) in ancient Kemet- which is described as an adversary, not evil. That reframe dissolves spiritual bypass and the habit of 'blaming the devil' for our misdeeds and misfortunes. Restoring accountability, where real growth can actually happen, and highlighting the Inner Christ as a living archetype—one that invites practice, not perfection. We flow from practical to profound: relationships as mirrors, imagination as a portal to insight, and how to upload peace to the collective field so others can “download” it. If you’ve felt the crack between what you were taught and what your body feels and knows, this is a grounded map back to sovereignty, clarity, and compassion.

All links to our guest's work and official site

Website ➡️ https://reginaldmartin.substack.com

YouTube  ➡️ Kametaphysics Sacred Alchemy

Books Written By Reginald Martin: https://www.kemeticcenteredliving.com 

Books mentioned: Stolen Legacy, by George G.M. James

Chapters

• 0:00 Setting The Stage: Why This Matters
• 2:38 Religious Upbringing And Early Doubts
• 9:05 The Christian Hell, Self Worth And The Cracks
• 15:00 From Atheism To The Law Of Attraction & Kemet
• 17:38 Distortion of Kemetic Principles & A Test of Obedience
• 25:42 Sin, Satan & Disempowerment
• 29:46 Religion & Spirituality - There Are Many Truths
• 34:36 How Intimate Relationships Can Mirror Our Lack of Self Worth
• 36:30 Born Divine: Reframing “Original Sin”
• 44:05 The Programs of Control
• 47:33 The Dis-ease We Endure & The Feedback Loop
• 50:40 Contradictions & Internal Locus - Ma’at, Balance, Reciprocity
• 1:03:55 The Life We Chose to Incarnate Into & Let Joy Be Your Guide
• 1:09:09 Aliens, The Multidimensional Self & The Imagination Portal
• 1:15:07 The Beauty of Religion & Honouring The Perfection Within
• 1:19:12 Reginald's Work with Kametaphysics
• 1:22:04 Pastors & Preachers Are Waking Up
• 1:27:27 Parting Message

Transcript

Kertia: 0:00

Hello everyone, welcome again to the other side of your podcast. Now, this conversation that I am introducing was such such a powerful conversation. My goodness. So I spoke with Reginald Martin. He is a spiritual educator, a metaphysician, if I'm saying that correctly, and the creator of Kametaphysics. Now his work reveals how hidden operating systems within religion, culture, family, and even leadership scripts quietly shape our sense of worth. So he loves a deep dive. He loves to get into the architecture of identity itself. And he helps people to rewire inherited programming such as the ones that we usually get from religion, trauma, societal roles, with a focus on integrating the shadow with the most authentic expression of self to access and embody a felt sense of clarity, confidence, and sovereignty. Um, he just does some amazing, beautiful work. So we got into religious trauma for a bit and how that play out in various areas of our lives, and especially how that often plays out in the dynamics within our relationships, primarily our intimate partnerships. And a part of what we highlighted there is that often how our relationships look, it tends to mirror back to us how we perceive ourselves and how we feel about ourselves. So that's something to think on there. You know, sometimes there are some hard-to-look at truths when we begin to observe the dynamics of our relationships. And and Reginald definitely spoke to that. But one thing I've noticed as I spoke to Reginald is that he is not into any form of spiritual bypassing. And I love that. I love that because yeah, there's a lot of spiritual bypassing happening out here, but he invites us to dig deep, to do some real grounded work, and truly be the change that we want to see in the world. So let's get into it. You mentioned religious trauma, which uh I think is a very juicy topic. It's controversial for some, it's um sensitive for some, and it's very intriguing for others, as you said, it's perspective, right?

Reginald: 2:55

For me, yes, I'm all about it.

Kertia: 2:58

I am all about it.

Reginald: 3:00

Um, yeah, and we can take it in many different directions. So I like to relate this stuff to real life too, you know.

Kertia: 3:06

So good, good.

Reginald: 3:07

So uh energy, uh, metaphysics. So uh let's roll with it.

Kertia: 3:12

Definitely. All right. So first, like tell me about your upbringing. What was that like? How did the structure of your own religious upbringing shape your life?

Reginald: 3:25

So for me, um I was I grew up and was born into a very staunch religious family. So, I mean, uh, we were my family was a type uh like the King James Bible that had the thee's and the thou's. If it didn't have thee's and thou's, that wasn't a real Bible.

Kertia: 3:45

Oh my god.

Reginald: 3:46

So, you know, but but uh but I was raised in it, I was immersed in it, uh, in a very uh restrictive uh type of religious upbringing. So uh to this day, I I don't have a whole lot of rhythm because dancing was like forbidden. So growing up, I wasn't supposed to dance, I wasn't supposed to listen to certain types of music, uh, all that stuff. I mean, I still haven't even learned how to do the electric slide. That's how bad it is. So I have trouble with that.

Kertia: 4:24

Oh my god.

Reginald: 4:25

Okay, so so those types of that's the kind of upbringing I had. So the first like real question that I I really had the nerve to ask my mother was about hell and why people would go to hell. So uh, and my and I still to this day I remember this question. I I said, Mom, I said, so uh Jewish people don't believe in Jesus as a savior. So if a Jewish person did good all their life, and uh you know they they were helpful, they were just they were just a good person all their life, and then they died, uh you're telling me that they would go to hell. But a person that would be, say, like a mass murderer on their deathbed said that they accepted Jesus Christ into their life, they would go to heaven. And I said, uh, is does you know, is that how it would be? She just kind of said, Yeah. That was it. And I was like, Kershaw, that just that messed me up. I mean, I was just kind of like that that doesn't even like make sense or compute, you know. So from that day forward, I had my I kind of gave Christianity the side eye. You know, when I'm in church, I'm kind of like, you know, so that's the kind of the, you know, I and my mother, my mother was a type, and it used to make me so mad. We will, she would not be on time for anything except going to church and opening that church door on Sunday.

Kertia: 6:09

Oh God.

Reginald: 6:11

So so that was that was basically my upbringing. So at Christmas and East, not Christmas, but uh Thanksgiving uh and Christmas dinners, you know, all of our extended family would get together. And I had an uncle that when he said grace, it wasn't just grace, it was a sermon.

Kertia: 6:33

Oh God, I know those ones.

Reginald: 6:34

Plus grace. You know those kinds?

Kertia: 6:36

I know those ones, I know those ones. Yes.

Reginald: 6:40

So he was gonna save you and bless the food at the same time. That was my family, okay?

Kertia: 6:52

Oh man. Oh, yeah, you just brought back some memories. That's yeah, totally get it, totally get it. It's it's funny how all of this shapes us so much, like the conditioning is so deep for your mom to not even pause to kind of take in what you were asking her, right? Because like I was that child, you know, like I started questioning things really early on. And for me, I felt like, well, if God is just this wrathful person, and if you don't do things right, you're gonna go to hell. But at the same time, he's supposed to be like the most loving and the most caring and the most merciful and the most forgiving. I'm just like, that doesn't add up because I know that if I had a child that did bad things, sure, I would want to hold them accountable for their actions, but I wouldn't want to torture them for eternity. And I'm like, well, if God is better than me and more loving than me and more forgiving and more merciful as me as just a human being, then if I wouldn't do that, why would God do that? That was my reasoning.

Reginald: 8:08

We, yes, and I I I came to that same place and same conclusion too, Kirchhoff, that uh, you know, I if I had children, this was before I had children, but I thought to myself, there is nothing that my child could do that I would never forgive them. Yeah, nothing, you know, and so I had to ask the next question was if if there was if I could be benevolent enough to forgive my children, are you telling me that I would be more benevolent than God?

Kertia: 8:39

Exactly.

Reginald: 8:41

So where where you went to with that is the same place I went to with it.

Kertia: 8:45

Yeah, exactly. And just to your point, you know, going to church, especially around Christmas time, they will have like those plays and everything. And I remember this one church that I went to, and they had display that kind of depicted how, you know, if you did a bad thing, as long as you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you'd go to heaven. And I had the same thought, like, but what if I am an atheist and I'm a really good human being, and all I do is love people and pour into others, why should I go to hell? But someone who has like completely lived their life in an unloving way, like they just say, Well, I accept Jesus, and all of a sudden they're in heaven and I'm not, like, it just doesn't make sense. So, like, I I really went back to like what you said just now made me go back to, you know, even my own questioning at the time and what wasn't making sense to me. So I'd love to know now when you were introduced to chemetic principles, like how did that even come about? And I'd love to know how did you first begin digesting that information because it's completely different from any type of religious upbringing that anyone could have.

Reginald: 10:16

Yeah. And and you know, the interesting thing about that, Kersha, is that the comedic principles are actually the foundation of where Christianity got their ideas.

Kertia: 10:26

Yeah.

Reginald: 10:27

Okay. So, but where where it uh happened for me, so um by the time I got to college, uh, I was an I considered myself an atheist. And I ended up getting a basketball scholarship to actually a Bible college, okay? And I went because of the scholarship, not for you know the Bible. But uh, but I basically stayed in limbo for probably 20 years, uh, in that sense where I went from atheism to the idea, and and it was more rebelling against the idea of this wrathful God. So it wasn't that I didn't want spirituality because at that point I hadn't separated spirituality and religion. Now I have it's two different things. But but uh I so when I when I started to, it was things just started to happen for me after my life, uh after my divorce, uh, which was, you know, uh I had gotten married. Uh I wanted my children to have a spiritual connection. So I actually went back to the church for a few years. Uh, but it ended up I it was just not palatable. I couldn't stay there. So moved forward, I got divorced. Uh for a few years. Uh, you know, after divorce, I was dating. But all through this time, there were things that were happening in my life that either they weren't adding up or they added up to something that basically made me the comma denominator, and I knew that it wasn't that it was something that was within me that was causing the issues. Okay. And and in particular, uh dating. So women that I dated, I I started to recognize that the same scenarios would happen in my relationships. Uh, they would, you know, have end up having the same type arguments or the same type of women and and whatever. So that kind of made me start to think like, wait a minute. Uh either these women that don't know each other have gotten together beforehand and and basically conspired to treat me a certain way.

Kertia: 12:49

Yeah.

Reginald: 12:50

Or there is something about me that is choosing these type women.

Kertia: 12:57

Yeah.

Reginald: 12:58

Okay.

Kertia: 12:58

Wow.

Reginald: 13:00

Well, I'm I'm not, I never have considered myself a victim, so I had to recognize that I was the common denominator. Okay. So this is around probably 2004 or 5. Around 2006, the secret came out. So I'm I'm leading up to how I came to comedicism. Okay.

Kertia: 13:19

Yeah, yeah.

Reginald: 13:21

So the the secret came out, and my brother, uh, he was the one who introduced me to it. And it was kind of funny because he he uh he was he started talking about it, and he's like, Man, do have you you heard about the secret? And I'm like, no, man. I'm like, what is it? You know, so he starts telling me all of this stuff, Kircher, and I'm like, you know, dude, when in the hell the hell are you gonna tell me about the secret? You know, what what is it? You know, I'm like, you know, I'm getting kind of upset and perturbed. Come to find out, it was he was telling me about the movie, the secret. I was waiting for him to tell me the big secret, you know. Yeah, I wanted the secret. So I I would mean I was mad at him, you know. But uh, but any but at any rate, so but what the secret ended up doing was giving me uh a new way to access metaphysical and spiritual concepts, okay? A new way to access the ideas that I had felt when it came to dating uh these type women, and that that was kind of one of my big bit one of my big things.

Kertia: 14:30

Yeah.

Reginald: 14:31

The idea that thoughts become things, okay.

Kertia: 14:35

Yeah.

Reginald: 14:36

So so I recognized that I was choosing women, the certain type of women, because of how I believed about myself. Okay. So my thoughts and my perspectives about myself was helped was making me choose certain types of individuals today. Okay.

Kertia: 14:52

Yeah.

Reginald: 14:53

So so it helped me to confirm that. So the secret wasn't like a oh my God. It was like, oh my god, this is somebody's talking something that I already believe, you know, and it gave me a way to think about it. Well, having grown up in the church, I didn't like the idea of just accepting what people told me. Okay.

Kertia: 15:13

Yeah.

Reginald: 15:14

So that was that was part of my church heritage where you just believe, you know, you have faith and you accept. Okay. Uh so a few years moved past, so I'm wanting to find out if this thoughts become things, it's just really something real, or is it just, you know, somebody just saying something, blah, blah, blah. And then that movie they alluded to the the Greeks having the secret. And uh, well, I knew and I I had read a book uh many years ago um called The Stolen Legacy by Asagile. And it basically laid out how the Greeks were taught by the Egyptians. Okay.

Kertia: 15:54

Yeah.

Reginald: 15:55

So that gave me having remembered that, I started to research and went to starting to research ancient Egypt, ancient Egypt. And uh, once I researched ancient Egypt, it led me to the ideas that became the law of what we know as law of attraction today. But it also answered questions about Christianity that I didn't even know could be answered.

Kertia: 16:19

Right.

Reginald: 16:20

Okay, so that's how I came to comedicism, and then uh later, uh, you know, over years of developing that, uh, I developed it in the context of cometaphysics, which is the idea of the ancient Egyptian soul, it's called the Ka. And then, of course, coupling with that metaphysics, because a lot of people, when you say comedic, they assume something um historical, which had very little to do about the metaphysical ideas and the spiritual stuff that we call spiritual, that is really the transformative ideas that we use to develop uh ourselves personally and spiritually.

Kertia: 16:59

Yeah, yeah, that is amazing, you know, like going from one extreme to the next, like because your upbringing was very embedded in like a lot of dogma, a lot of dogmatic principles, and now being on the complete opposite side of that, that is really intriguing. I'd love to know, I'd love to know, right? You um becoming aware of the kinetic principles now. Can you tell me some of the particular aspects of those principles that now form the foundation of your own spirituality?

Reginald: 17:42

Yeah, yeah, and definitely, and and it is something that, and this is something that I impart to others as well through through what I teach. But I I recognize that the comedic spiritual system had been distorted by Christianity.

Kertia: 17:58

Okay.

Reginald: 17:59

And the way that they did that was to change spiritual concepts that were really a part of all of Africa and are a part of really most spiritual systems around the world. Okay. So they distorted some ideas. One of the main ideas that they distorted was the idea that we're born sinful.

unknown: 18:17

Okay.

Reginald: 18:17

Oh, yeah. That we're born sinful and and in some way separate from the creator. Okay. That was a total 180 from the ancient teachings, and any pretty much any ancient spiritual teachings before.

Kertia: 18:31

Yeah, that's a heavy one. It is a heavy one.

Reginald: 18:34

It is, yeah. And the idea that that the first supposed parents of humanity were were sinful, and because of their sin, everybody else was sinful.

Kertia: 18:46

Yeah.

Reginald: 18:46

I mean, that's like, you know, it's it's a ridiculous idea, but uh, you know, we accepted it. We had faith. We just we just believed. So from a comedic perspective, the ancient teachings were that uh the there is one source and one essence of creation, of all of creation, okay, and everything that has been created comes from that source.

Kertia: 19:15

Yeah.

Reginald: 19:16

Okay. So and the way I like to teach that is to use an analogy, you know, because sometimes those these abstract these ideas can be so abstract, they're just useless. But the idea, think of God, God is not a human being, okay? So that's that's one of another one of the things that they messed up. But think of God as an ocean of consciousness, yeah, that is aware, energy that is aware, okay? Just it's an entire ocean. Well, if the creator is an entire ocean, then everything else in the universe, and and we can come down to us, each one of us is essentially a drop in that ocean.

Kertia: 19:56

Yeah.

Reginald: 19:58

That means that we Are the ocean okay in a drop, and then the drop is in the ocean. We are it, just not the same magnitude.

Kertia: 20:11

Yeah.

Reginald: 20:12

Okay. So from that perspective, we cannot be born sinful. We are divine just as the creator is. And that's that's an ancient African and comedic spiritual belief system. Okay. Yeah that we're all born divine. From a Christian perspective, to even say something like that is blasphemous. To equate ourselves with the creator is blasphemous.

Kertia: 20:37

Yeah, yeah.

Reginald: 20:40

But it ends up creating a frame of negativity that allows beliefs of self-loathing, self-hate, um, looking at someone else as something other than God, you know, that means we can self-loathe and we can hate them. That's to me is the legacy of that type of teaching.

Kertia: 21:01

Yeah, that is so true. You know, it took me back to what you just said. It took me back to this thing that I questioned when I was younger. You know, you saying everything is of the creator. One of the things that I questioned was, well, you know, you're taught that good and evil exist. You're taught of like good and bad. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, like you learn about the devil, Satan, whatever anyone refers to it in their religion. And to me, I was like, even this concept, it didn't quite land for me. Like, I get it, but it didn't quite land because if the creator, if God is this person that created everything, even like you know, like the devil and whatever, I'm just like, well, then it kind of muddles the concept of good and bad and evil and all those things because he created this. If if he's so perfect, and we're the ones that we're sinful and we're this and we're that. Well, he created us.

Reginald: 22:20

Exactly.

Kertia: 22:20

And he also created this being. And I think the way that it is usually fun to kind of justify the contradiction is that um that the devil betrayed God, you know, like the the devil was an angel and he's a fallen angel because he betrayed God. And I'm just like, yeah, but he's still God's creation regardless. So he's he's still off God. So then why? And then God allows this being to tempt all of us to test our love and obedience to him to see who he will save and who he will burn. I'm just like, that is weird.

Reginald: 23:04

Yeah, you know, why why create this, why create this being? And and ultimately what it seemed like to me, Kershaw, was God created something he couldn't even control.

Kertia: 23:15

Exactly. Exactly. And it's just like, well, then essentially, God is also the creator of the bad things. Because if God can create the good things, then he equally created the bad things because it is his own creation that so-called betrayed him, right? And became rogue and now wants to tempt everyone so that we can all be on his side and do the bad things. But but it's still God's creation, it doesn't change that fact. So if he creates good, then he equally creates bad, right? Um so like this concept of God, you know, like this was my questioning for many years growing up, and I will it always came back to the same thing like it's not adding up, it's not making sense to me. So you referring to the creator, the source as an ocean and us just all being droplets of that. It's it's very true, and like everything that is created is off that, regardless of however you want to look at it, because we are equal creators in everything that exists, we are co-creators of everything, and we are of that source. So I definitely love the way that you explained that to put things into perspective, because I think that was one of like the things that I battled with a lot growing up, you know, like with Christian principles. My family wasn't super Christian, but they made me go to church, you know, like they will send me to church sometime on Sundays with an adult. And I went to Catholic school, you know, in Jamaica, we have a lot of Catholic schools, so I went to Catholic school for most of my upbringing. So those principles were always kind of just imposed on your psyche, and as you said, it's definitely a lot of conditioning, a lot of I guess you're pretty much taught to give your power away.

Reginald: 25:29

Yep. Yep. No, absolutely. And and that's when I and see, even those questions like that are answered in from uh like a metaphysics perspective, and just the I the idea of of Satan and God, okay.

Kertia: 25:47

Yeah.

Reginald: 25:49

And it is a to me, it is a much more palatable um uh uh experience and a much more palat and much more palatable philosophically, because the from the comedic perspective, the idea uh that we know as Satan today started from the concept of set. Okay, the and uh just the word st with the E put in the middle.

Kertia: 26:15

Yeah.

Reginald: 26:15

But but the from but from a comedic perspective, set was not evil, set was simply opposition. Okay. So put this in the context of life. We we want to go for a promotion, or we want to go for uh we want to go open a business, or we want to go and do something that excuse me, we want to go and do something that we had not done before. And uh just just think of on the as the saying goes, on the other side of fear is what you want, you know. So in this context, set the fear is the opposition. Okay, even from the word Satan, the word set became the word Satan in Hebrew. Satan simply means adversary, not not something evil. So those things that we fear or those things that we struggle with becomes our adversary or our opposition. That to me is a much more empowering idea because then it brings it back that you are the one can that can overcome the fear, and you can you are the one who can decide how you're going to deal with that opposition, not that there's some entity outside of you pulling all the strings or deciding for you.

Kertia: 27:47

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, like thinking of how religion teaches you that you need a middle person in order to get to God. But then there was that aspect of that alone was disempowering, but then the other aspect of the idea behind Satan or the devil, it also because I've lost count of how many times I've heard a Christian blame the devil for the things that they do or the things that has happened to them, then it it becomes also disempowering because now you're not even holding yourself accountable. Now you have something external to you to blame for your behavior or to blame for your problems, you know, because I've literally heard people after they did something that was not nice, they will be like, Oh, it was the devil, it was the devil's work, you know? And I'm just like, bruh.

Reginald: 28:55

Yeah, right. No, that wasn't the devil, that was you.

Kertia: 29:02

Yeah, oh my god. Oh my god.

Reginald: 29:05

Oh, and and you know, Kirch, is it's interesting because even my uh my 15-year-old son, this is what he told me when he was 15. He says, Dad, he says the devil is simply somebody's excuse not to take responsibility for their own actions.

Kertia: 29:19

Literally. Literally, oh my gosh, listen to your son, so wise already.

Reginald: 29:28

That was his words to me. And I was like, wow, you know, but but he hit it right on the head, you know? Yeah, and and it does, it does disempower us in in a way that that we because I think a lot of times, one of the things that I how I now look at spirituality and religion, so they're because they're they are two different two different things, two different constructs. But if you wanted to just size up the difference, religion is the idea that your power is outside of you. Yes, that you have to form a relationship to it, that you that something outside of you is going to give you the okay or give you the thumbs down, you know, one or the other. Okay. So your whole life is spent trying to live in a way that placates that outside being, that makes you okay in relation to that outside being. Okay, spirituality, and that's what you know, psychologists call an external locus of control. So whatever is controlling you is outside. Spirituality, on the other hand, and and comedic spirituality in most spiritual systems, so whether it's cometic cometicism or not, most spiritual systems develop the idea that you are you're that you are internally, it is an internal journey to really recognize the divinity within you.

Kertia: 30:58

Yeah.

Reginald: 31:00

It is an internal journey to to reconcile life and what is happening uh as happening through you, not to you.

Kertia: 31:11

Yes.

Reginald: 31:12

Okay. That to me is a much more empowering perspective because one, it gives you uh the ability to self-correct, but it also empowers you to know that you have the power to self-correct, you know, and that's where it comes into the the law of attraction ideas really come into play here because that it is based in the concept uh of Ma'at and the ideas of truth, balance, and reciprocity. Okay, but each one of those words are like a tip of the iceberg to other principles and deeper principles, because ma'at is is symbolized as a feminine netra. Okay. And this even the symbolic system helps you to understand the teachings deeper. Because a lot of us are taught that divine feminine is about something about being a woman. Okay, yeah, but from a comedic perspective, divine feminine is about function, not gender.

Kertia: 32:16

Yeah.

Reginald: 32:17

Okay, and this is what I mean by that is that divine feminine is an aspect of all of us because it is it is about our internal environment, our intuition, okay, our mind, our thoughts, our beliefs, those are all contained, those are all something that is inside of us, and my art as truth. Okay, the tip of the iceberg uh thing about that is that if if what is inside of us is truth, then it is our internal perspective that is our truth.

Kertia: 32:56

Yeah.

Reginald: 32:58

Okay. So that means that what is true is subjective to us. That's that was a powerful realization for me.

Kertia: 33:14

Wow.

Reginald: 33:14

Because it admit and it explains why two people can look or are two people can can grow up in the same household and have two completely different experiences of that household.

Kertia: 33:26

Of course. Absolutely.

Reginald: 33:29

Yeah, their truths are different, and and one of the ways that I like to use an example again as as a uh an analogy is have two people face each other. Okay, so they they can come and they can stand, you know, a couple of feet apart, face each other, and then tell each person to point and look to the right. And then describe what they see. Now, when that happens, you're gonna both of them are gonna be looking in two different directions. But each one of them are gonna be telling the truth about what they see and experience. Yes, so from an ancient comedic perspective, all truths are half truth. Absolutely, yes, so that in itself becomes very powerful.

Kertia: 34:28

Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. I love that, I love that, Reginald. Earlier in our conversation, you said that you know, when you were talking about your relationships with women, right? Now that you're kind of like on this spiritual journey, now that you've kind of done away with a lot of, or or at least maybe even still working through a lot of the religious um conditioning, right? Now to lean more into spiritual principles, I'd love to know now what does your relationship look like with yourself, you know, because as you said earlier, the relationships that we have with people and however those relationship looks really comes down back to one thing. And it comes back to the relationship that we have with ourselves first.

Reginald: 35:28

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No, I agree with you 100% uh that that is very true. And, you know, I've I've had I've developed a relationship with myself that I can be appreciative of who I am, you know. And I like to say that that, you know, for a long time growing up, I felt like I was cursed in in that area because I could I could always recognize the the good and the gifts that other people had. But when it came to me looking at myself, I was blind to any gifts that I had. You know, and I and I think that a lot of that was just from the idea that I wasn't, I was taught that to even say anything good about myself was being prideful and arrogant.

Kertia: 36:18

Oh yeah, there's that too.

Reginald: 36:20

Yeah. So so I couldn't even allow myself to think something good about me, you know. And uh I I think that that can that impacted my relationships in this way is that because I couldn't recognize the good in myself, then I chose relationships where people had to validate that for me, or I wanted them to validate that for me. Yeah, but the way that they validated that for me was I had to feel needed as a man. Okay. So if I couldn't even choose a confident and you know, a self-sufficient woman, the types of women that I chose then were women that were emotionally needy, that needed an emotional trash can, because that's how I saw myself as only being valuable in their life. Okay. So that relationship that I had to myself, that had to change. Okay. That belief that I was only valuable if somebody needed me, okay, that that had to change. And you know, honestly, I'm still working on all of that. So you know. Aren't we all?

Kertia: 37:46

Aren't we all?

Reginald: 37:48

You know, it it's it's a constant, you know, give and take pool, you know. Uh so I I recognize it, and now that now that I recognize it, I can diagnose it. And once I diagnose it, I can I can start to do things to work on it. But the funny thing about relationships is is a lot, I hear a lot of people say, well, when I fix this in myself, then I'll get into a relationship. Yeah. The reality is, is there's some things that only a relationship is gonna bring out of you. So trying to fix yourself outside, uh try to fix yourself to be in a relationship and never be in one, there are things that you're just never ever going to be able to, there are those things are never gonna come up for you to fix. Because it's only with when we are relating that those things are gonna come up and that they end up being the mirror for you to see what you need to fix.

Kertia: 38:52

Right, right, exactly that, exactly that, Reginald. We are all mirrors of each other, and it's in relation with each other that we get to learn about ourselves.

Reginald: 39:06

Absolutely, absolutely, and and you know, we we when we think of ourselves as victims, we point fingers at everybody. You know, uh, I could have easily, and and for a while, I guess I was, you know, after my divorce, I was I was bitter, you know, because I felt like I was a good man. I had did everything I was supposed to do, but you know, this woman didn't want to be with me anymore, you know. So that hurt like hell, you know. Oh yeah. Uh and you know, for for a while I was bitter. But, you know, at some point, in order to reconcile and bring peace within yourself, you have to take responsibility for the stuff that you've done, and you have to take responsibility for the things that you've created in those relationships. Because no matter what, it takes two people to be in the relationship. And both people created and co-create that relationship.

Kertia: 40:05

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, and just going back to you know, when you talk about religious conditioning, you know, we already have um the conditioning that our own parents have, just from ancestral tradition tradition um conditioning, generational conditioning, there's that. And then when you add the religious framework onto all of that, for example, like some of the conditioning that I received as a child made me feel like I wasn't enough, like I wasn't worthy. And that is separate from religion, right? That was just generational familial stuff, right? And then now when you add the religious framework onto that, it kind of embeds that even more, like the not being worthy enough, not being enough, because the religion, from what I feel from what we've been taught in church or in Sunday school or what have you, whatever religion that you're associated with, is that you always have to prove yourself to the creator. You're always in this um this cycle of trying to prove your worth, trying to prove that you're enough, trying to prove that you're deserving. You have to be good, or you're gonna go to hell, you have to be good or you're bad, you know. You like you have to do these things and obey these things, or you're a bad girl, or you're a bad boy, or you know, you're gonna suffer for it because you did the bad thing, you did what you weren't supposed to do, right? So now it becomes like this constant thing whereby even if you have a very human moment and just, you know, make a make a mistake or just you're just on this learning curve. Like no one gets through life without doing things that might be considered hurt hurtful or mean, um, whether it be intentional or not, like this is just a part of the human experience, right? Because we have to deal with our emotions. And sometimes, like, first of all, we weren't taught how to emotionally regulate. So, yeah, a lot of the things that we do might look messy sometimes. And when you have this framework that's telling you that you're a bad person for having certain experiences or for showing up in a certain way, then it's just like now you're in this constant cycle of you're just never enough. You're just never worthy because you always have to prove yourself, right? And of course, for someone like me who's always been questioning, that framework didn't affect me as heavily as I know that it probably affected maybe some of my other friends who their families are like really devout Christians and they've had to follow all the rules and do all the things. And because I remember even questioning some of those friends, like they would tell me, like, you know, like it's not good to question or to think like that, and just listen to what the pastor said, and they will have a better interpretation. And and I'm just like, well, my interpretation seems just fine to me, right? Right, right. So, like, it's hard enough being a human being and try to figure life out when you have the societal condition and the cultural condition and the familial condition and all of those things, the relational um um programming that we have just from like being situated in a certain culture or family or society, and then you add the religion onto that, and it's just like no wonder why we look like you know, like the world kind of looked the way it looks, because we're all just confused people, you know. It's it's crazy, like we're so confused, so disconnected from our true power, and a lot of us, yeah, and we literally walk around being so disconnected, so disempowered, and then we just go and just project that everywhere.

Reginald: 44:35

So that's that's exactly it. And and you hit on a lot a number of things there, just you know, because I I the way I see it is how I to me, I think religion, uh having having grown up the way that I did, religion framed essentially everything for for me and my family. And I think that it also frames a lot of ideas that that that we even live with in our country, our communities, whatever. I I I a lot of times I don't think people recognize how big of a pool these ideas are because Yeah. The the idea if you think about it, so I grew up in in a church where on Sunday I was told that I was unworthy. Okay, I was a rich, you know, I was nothing without God. Okay. These were the kind of messages that we that we ingested every Sunday.

Kertia: 45:43

As children, imagine that.

Reginald: 45:45

As children, but Kershaw, those messages are taken uh into life as well. And and I think uh for me, there is a connection to a lot of times to well of all I know, there is a connection to disease and these beliefs. For example, the uh and and I just think about uh think about women and how women are treated, you know, in the churches a lot of times, not only in churches, but just is as an extension in our society, women a lot of times have been viewed as uh second-class citizens, okay?

Kertia: 46:23

Oh yeah.

Reginald: 46:23

And a lot of that was the underpinning of that was because of religious beliefs.

Kertia: 46:28

Oh yeah.

Reginald: 46:29

You know, so women have been taught that their worthiness comes from doing service, and not only do you do service, you've you got to put yourself to the side. And even if you think, yes, you got to sacrifice, and even if you think and consider that you are supposed to be first, you're being selfish. So all of these ideas are connected to that framework. And even when you talk about diseases like uh, and I can think about autoimmune diseases. Okay, they're supposed to be uh, you know, probably 80 different autoimmune diseases. Autoimmune diseases means that your immune system is attacking you. For me, I look at that from as a sim from a symbolic perspective that even on an energetic level, when you are given your power away, your system, your own internal system can't recognize you because you're not even living authentically. So your system essentially attacks you from within. But it's not attacking you, it's trying to bring things into balance, and it does that by saying the disease manifests itself and it's trying to help you say, wait a minute, this disease is happening to me. I need to look at it and go, like, what's going on here? Okay, so it becomes a signal instead, and a lot of us think of it as an attack because if if we're sick or ill or something like that, we've been taught it, taught that maybe God is punishing us, or maybe there's a curse. But from a comedic perspective, if you are divine, it's not a curse, it becomes a signal and it becomes a wake-up call, you know. And I like to I like to use the idea of an analogy as uh uh a dream dreams and nightmares, because dreams and nightmares are very powerful when you can understand it. They are therapeutic first, okay? Because you're if you think about it, your body is going to react to something mentally just as it did if it if it was something out there that you were reacting to. Dreams and nightmares are going to chemically cause you to react. A nightmare is essentially a dream that has been ramped up, that is a signal from your soul that, hey, you need to pay attention to this. And if you don't pay attention to it first, then it's going to it's going to ramp up as a nightmare. So you can go like, oh, what was that? You know, what was that about? You wake up, you know, maybe maybe in a cold sweat. Well, that wake up call okay, makes you turn within to pay attention to what you're how you're living. And if it keeps happening to where you stay disconnected, then the disease it can manifest as a disease. And the disease is even more of a call to say, hey, pay attention to this. You have to fix something up here and in here so that you can fix the disease and what's happening to you. So to me, all of that frame is it's all connected. And a lot of times our religious beliefs disconnect us from our own internal guidance system.

Kertia: 50:05

Exactly that. Exactly that. And then it just becomes reflected back into our environment, into our relationships, right?

Reginald: 50:15

So because our relationships are signals, they are feedback. Life and what happens out there from a comedic perspective. This is this is the idea of Ma'a and reciprocity that what is within you is projected as life. And what is life is feedback for you to recognize what is happening within you. It's all connected.

Kertia: 50:38

Literally. Yeah. You said that so well because you know, I was having a conversation the other day, and I was like, the thing with people is we often look on how we can change the world outside of us and how we can stop the wars and have world peace and feed the poor and all of those things. And I was just like, well, it goes back to you, right? Everything that we see reflected in the world, we created that. We co-created all of this.

Reginald: 51:15

Yep.

Kertia: 51:16

So it there's no point in being so wrapped up in the news and what's happening and the wars and all those things. You can have compassion for it, but not be so wrapped up in it because the true change that needs to be happen, that needs to be happening is a change inside of yourself. Beautiful said. You know, for example, you know, we have the protests and we have all those things, and it's okay, it's great, but the protest can help in whatever it's supposed to do, and the advocacy and all those things, it's great. It's amazing that we have people doing work on the ground, but the true change really does start with you as an individual.

Reginald: 51:59

Because the change you want to see in the world.

Kertia: 52:02

Exactly. When you look at it, what is happening, even though you're not the one that's like landing a bomb on someone's head, even though you're not the one that's um destroying families by murdering people, even though you're not the politician that's making policies that's wrecking havoc in people's lives, we are all co-signers to some aspect as to what's happening. And when you're when you're allowing yourself, when you give your power away to an external force, this is how things like this become possible. Right? When you're giving your, when you're so wrapped up in the fear and the anxiety that these external forces are creating, when you're reacting to it, when you're responding to that, and when you give in to that, you're giving your power away. And the more you do that, the more you give your power away, the more these things begin to manifest. But when you can create that change within yourself and recognize the power that you have, when you're no longer responding to all of these external manipulations and the fears and anxiety that they're projecting, when you're no longer responding to that in a certain way, they will be forced to shift. So the true shift, the true solution happens with you first. And then when you shift, we your environment will be it will have no other choice but to shift to.

Reginald: 53:47

Oh, Kurtra, that is so beautiful and powerful, what you just spoke, you know, and and you know, and and I like to take what you just said and put it in the context of how comedic teachings um and how the ancient teachings taught that idea, is that what what you're saying to me is that that first of all, all of us are connected. So we're all that ocean. Okay, we're all in that ocean together. That ocean of consciousness gathers certain energies that we do co-create with. And as long as you stay tapped into the negativity, you're essentially uploading that vibrational essence to up into consciousness, and then whoever is on your same wavelength is going to download or tap into that energy. So when you want to change, and and this is where the saying be the change that you want to see in the world in the world, the the protests are a way, you know, to to uh as an example of saying, I don't like this. You know, that that's a way that people can gather you know with that energy and say, I don't like this. Another way is to consciously reconcile and be at peace and allow people to experience life as they decide and they want, because ultimately we can't know why another soul has incarnated to be here. We don't know what their life lesson is going to be or supposed to be. So it's kind of like we we a lot of times we want to try to dictate how somebody experiences life, and we really can't. All we can do is take care of what's within us. But when we upload the peace, the stillness, the joy, and we live life from that perspective, then we kind of set a an umbrella of consciousness that other people can get inside and get under and download and become that as well.

Kertia: 55:56

Yes, exactly.

Reginald: 55:58

Wars would be eliminated, exactly that.

Kertia: 56:03

Yeah, exactly that.

Reginald: 56:04

So very powerful what you said. It it is very powerful. So it's not what we say or do, it's who we are, it's who we are as a being, vibrationally and consciously, that really changes the world.

Kertia: 56:20

Exactly. Exactly. Like we can get out and protest and do all the things, but it really begins with us, you know, and like yeah, the protests and all those things. It does, it does help, as you say, to bring attention or to to for someone to see like there is a wound here that needs to be healed, but the true solution starts with you as an individual, right? For you to take your power back where your mind and where your heart is situation, that is where the true solution begins. The protest is a tool. The protest isn't the real solution, it is a tool, and sometimes that tool is meant to be a symbol. Exactly. It's a symbol that there's a that there's a wound, that there is something wrong. And it can also be as a tool for some people to kind of shake them up because you know, some of us need to shake up to wake up. So you know, like no, that's what it's for. It's it's it's it's all a tool, like you know, all these the advocacies and stuff, like they're amazing, but they're tools, right? The real solution always comes back to your heart, always comes back to you being so connected and so centered in yourself that as you said, like you recognize your connection to everyone and everything, you recognize that God within you, you recognize that all of this is connected and we're all co-creating together.

Reginald: 58:00

Yes, and you recognize and you build and bring that peace within yourself. When you bring that peace, you upload that to the collective. You you upload who you are to the collective. So the the way I look at the protests and stuff like that is that they're just just like disease, disease is a symbolic representation of your inner being. Okay, a protest can be an extension of that thing, it can be a symbolic extension just in another way. Yeah, you know, the unrest that is within you manifests as that protest, and that that's something that that a person can connect with. So there's many different ways that and many different nuances in which this energy can manifest, but it is always a tool and a reflection of what is within you. When you change what is within you, out there will change.

Kertia: 59:03

Yes, yes, yes, yes, Reginald, definitely. I'd I'd love for you to tell me more about chemetaphysics and your approach with that. I'd love to hear more about it.

Reginald: 59:20

Yeah, and and it's just uh for me, Kirchhoff, it's just it's just like in the context of our if of our uh conversation here, you know, this is what I'm speaking and and what I and even what I'm hearing for you from you is how I live this uh these ideas, you know, because they they are alive. They're not uh in in church, and I have to use church a lot of times as a contrast, you know, just to understand the idea. But church, we would you know, hoop and holler and do what we did on Sunday, but then on Monday, you go and live the same life that you lived before. Yeah. Nothing changes, you know. But a big reason why that happened is because the a lot of the ideas were absolute impossibilities to live, and because a lot of times they were just simply contradictions that we couldn't even reconcile within ourselves. So we just said, forget it. You know, I'll do I'll fake it on Sunday, but then I'm gonna go and do the rest do what I do Monday through Saturday, you know.

Kertia: 1:00:26

Oh yeah.

Reginald: 1:00:27

So so that's what that's what it has, but but from a comedic perspective, these ideas inform your life, they become an extension of you, you know, and and it's not exchanging one belief system for another, because I think that's a lot of times when people hear that that Christianity came out of these ideas, their first thought is I don't want to be Christian, you know, I don't want to do that again. And I absolutely agree. But the difference is again, religion is about an external locus of control.

Kertia: 1:01:04

Yeah.

Reginald: 1:01:05

When you turn within and you become a sovereign soul, you know, which is what you know my my newsletters call the sovereign soul collective. When you become a sovereign soul, you are taking your own power back, you become the standard for your life rather than somebody else telling you how to live life. That to me is a whole lot more empowering, and that's where even with the comedic ideas, it can it can live alongside anything, you know? But from a from a uh religious perspective, it can't stand alongside the dogma. And when people try to dictate the dogma, there is nothing that can stand alongside of that.

Kertia: 1:01:56

Absolutely.

Reginald: 1:01:58

So these ideas are living and they're living through us. We they're living through us as co-creators, you know, of this world and of this life and of our life, you know?

Kertia: 1:02:08

Yeah.

Reginald: 1:02:09

And to me, the more the the idea of my art and living my art is the idea of being in balance and being in peace and being in harmony. And if you're living a life that does not bring those things to you, then you need to ask the question why? And if something is happening that is not bringing that peace, then that's again, it's a signal that something needs to change. Something in here, and when it does, it brings you peace and balance. That's the goal. Live through your joy, live through your peace, live through your balance, create life on your terms.

Kertia: 1:02:49

Yeah, yeah, you're right on point. So, you know, we spoke about so many layers of this whole religious conversation and you know how it kind of kept us so disconnected from ourselves. I'd love to know what is your, you know, the work that you're doing right now, like how are people now responding to because I feel like I feel like people are beginning to wake up. I feel like so much has happened in the world, you know, like as I said earlier, like when you look at the protests and the advocacy against the things that are happening, like, you know, these things are tools to show us that something is wrong. Like it is it is a symptom of the disease that is happening in society, right? And I feel like sometimes we need like, and it sounds bad, but like when you look at kids dying and it's terrible, but then sometimes some of us do need that in order to wake up, you know. That's the thing. Some of us need to see that, some of that, some of us need to experience that.

Reginald: 1:04:12

And some of those kids incarnate, yes, and some of those kids incarnate to do that to us, exactly, exactly.

Kertia: 1:04:21

As you said before, like we cannot dictate someone else's life and what happens to someone else and what happens with someone else or the choices that other people make because some people do incarnate to take on these roles that might be difficult for some of us to reconcile with, and that is just the reality of life. So I don't think I don't think it's all gloom and doom, even though it feels like it and looks like it. But I love to think now, you as a spiritual educator, what like what is it like for you? How do you see people responding to the work that you're doing right now?

Reginald: 1:05:01

Yeah, and and it just depends on the people. And what I like to do is just I put out the message and let the people make their decision, you know, and that that's kind of the way I handle this because my my children taught me a lesson very early, is that I can't force my beliefs on somebody else, no matter what it is, no matter how good I think that they are, you know, and I had to let them be, you know, I had to let them live their life. But and it's the same way I handle these teachings is that uh one of the things that I teach is to follow your joy, let joy be your guide, let that joy that is within you light your path because there is a calibration that happens when you are when you are calibrated and and on purpose, on path to what your soul is wanting, you are in joy, you are in joy and in peace. Okay, yeah, when you're and you are aligned with your soul then. When you're misaligned, is when you are feeling all the other stuff, the opposite of that. Okay, so when I tell people that for me, teaching these ideas is just simply me explaining and expressing something that I'm joyful about. Whether somebody wants to accept it or not, that's that's not my job really. But I can be a conduit, conduit for somebody figuring something out. I I can help them along their path if they choose these ideas, you know, and a lot of person will add a lot of times people have asked me, well, how do I know this stuff is true? How do you know if anything is true? You know if something is true by how it impacts and affects you. So if something to me, it is true when it brings me peace and harmony within.

Kertia: 1:07:00

Yeah.

Reginald: 1:07:00

That's my sole criteria for whether it is true or not. You know, what does it do for me? How does it make me feel? And even if it doesn't bring me peace, if something brings me uh anger or, you know, whatever, that's what's true for me with in the context of whatever that experience is. But that inner, it is that inner guidance system to me that I simply look at really simplifying the idea of uh are you living through joy, peace, and harmony, or are you living something that is the opposite? If you're living the opposite, then that is a signal that there needs to be something that's different. Something that is different in you. And a lot of times what will keep us in those, uh say in a job we hate, is our fears. The fears that I won't be able to pay my bills.

Kertia: 1:07:57

Yeah.

Reginald: 1:07:58

The fears that, you know, uh that you know, people will look at me funny, you know, all of this stuff, all those fears become a reason why we don't go on the path of what brings us joy. Even when we know that it would, we stay stuck over here, you know, in in those fears. So so that to me is like that is again is part of the journey, is how do I reconcile that? And then am really, if you're going to live life on your terms, and that's another thing I would say you live life on your terms without fear, guilt, or shame. A lot of times it takes courage to do that. Yeah, it takes courage to not live the way society expects you to. You know, a lot of people. But after a while, you're like, I don't care what they say, I'm gonna do me and I'm gonna be okay.

Kertia: 1:09:05

Exactly, exactly. Uh, this conversation is so good, so good. Okay, I have one fun question for you. Sure. What do you think about aliens?

Reginald: 1:09:18

They're real, they exist.

Kertia: 1:09:24

Any thoughts you'd like to share?

Reginald: 1:09:27

Sure, sure. So, uh, and anyway, the all these questions are fun for me, Kershaw. So I love discussing this stuff.

Kertia: 1:09:36

They're all fun for me, too, but you know, I'm just going to throw that in there.

Reginald: 1:09:41

This is the spice of life for me. But but but this is how I look at that, Kershaw and aliens, okay? We have billions of galaxies and trillions of stars. What are the odds that we are the only beings living in this whole magnificent galaxy or this whole magnificent universe? What are the odds of that? That's crazy. I think that in order it is to think that we could be the only ones. To me, that is so arrogant and so self-centered, it is unfathomable. I can't even hardly say that word, yeah, but it's unbelievable. Yeah, so so to me, there has to be aliens, okay? And not only that, there has to be different dimensions that have different levels of existence, but we can connect to all of that from within us. Our dreams of being in other worlds are literally us experiencing those other worlds, yeah. Our imagination of aliens, imagination is not hallucination, it's a portal. So you opened up a can of worms with that question.

Kertia: 1:11:10

Yes.

Reginald: 1:11:15

So, yeah, so even past lives and all that stuff, it's not past. It's now. We can't even imagine something that is not now. We're just it's just a different perspective of now, even a past life. It's a different perspective of an aspect of you that is now, yeah. And the the communication between those levels, it's not a closed loop. We can download, because we I the way I look at it is even with past lives, we live through themes of experience. Because our our lives are going to be grouped around certain energies and certain experiences.

Kertia: 1:12:04

Yeah.

Reginald: 1:12:05

So a past life, you might have lived a certain theme that you can carry over into another life until you reconcile it. But while you're living about both of those lives exist, y'all communicate with each other. Okay, you might get a get a uh um an intuitive download of something that that other life or that even that future aspect of you is dealing with. You can get a download from that and and how you can solve something now. All of that is always a constant interplay. To me, that's what the idea of really understanding your Christhood is that you have the ability to go within and tap in and experience all these different flavors that is the universe. You are it in human form.

Kertia: 1:13:02

Yes, yes.

Reginald: 1:13:05

I said something then.

Kertia: 1:13:06

Oh my god, this is so good, and you know, like while you're the piece about imagination as being a portal, it's everything you said is true, and you know, like if you can imagine something, it's real, it's real, you know. People tell kids, like, you know, like when you're a kid and you're thinking about something and your friends just like, oh, it's just your imagination, or even other adults tell you it's just your imagination, as if it's something that it's like unreal, like it's fake, or it's not realistic. Yeah, it's not realistic, and that is the realest thing that we can tap into. Our imaginations are so real, like the information and where that information is coming from, it's coming from a real place. Yes, absolutely make up something that doesn't already exist.

Reginald: 1:14:05

You cannot, absolutely, and think about I think about in this context, I and I and this again, I just like to make it real or or uh bring it into a context that most people can understand is that think of like people who are historical fiction writers, and they write some really beautiful and powerful historical fiction. They write that because they are able to tap into something that is an aspect of them that they experience that's why they can bring it to us in a way that is so palatable and is so just so real. Yeah, we experience all of that stuff, it's within us.

Kertia: 1:14:53

Yep, exactly. Oh, yeah, this is a fun conversation. Thank you. Thank you. I'm having fun too. Yeah, thank you so much. You you really answered my questions in such an amazing, grounded way. That definitely gave such a beautiful perspective to our experience as human beings and what it is like to truly be in touch with our own internal compass, with our power, what it truly means to be empowered, right? And you know, although, like, you know, the base and foundation, this is not to bash religion, the base and foundation of every religion started from something really beautiful, started from this concept of love, and started from this concept of being so empowered. Like, there are verses still in the Bible where literally Jesus is saying, like, whatever he can do, that we can do the same thing. Bingo. So there's still some golden nuggets of love and empowerment there, but of course, it has been so much overshadowed by a lot of the things that were put there to mislead, to mislead us and to take our power away. So, you know, the foundation of religions really started from something so loving and so nurturing. So this is not like anything to bash religion, but to really put things into perspective and to to reclaim that beauty.

Reginald: 1:16:39

That's what it's about for me.

Kertia: 1:16:41

And even like allow you to question, like let you know like it's okay to question. You know, there is nothing wrong with questioning. If something doesn't make sense to you, there is a reason why it doesn't make sense to you. You know, just like none of this made sense to me as a young child. Like I it just didn't add up. You know, the contradictions were there, and I was open enough to question those contradictions. So if there is something within you that that makes you question something or feels like it doesn't feel like it gives you peace in your heart, then take that question as deep as you can take it and see what answer you come up with, see what you find. But as you said, everything is already within us, right? So it's just about connecting and reclaiming your own power, and yeah, that's what it's holding.

Reginald: 1:17:36

And then having the the having the confidence to validate your own experience.

Kertia: 1:17:41

Yeah.

Reginald: 1:17:42

And I think that's what a lot of people deal with, Kirchhoff, is that they're not able to validate their own internal experience for themselves. A lot of times we look for agreement, you know.

unknown: 1:17:55

True.

Reginald: 1:17:55

And sometimes there are experiences that we have within ourselves that nobody else can have. There is knowledge and information that you can tap into that I can't just simply because of you being you and where you are in your life.

Kertia: 1:18:10

You know?

Reginald: 1:18:11

That doesn't invalidate my experience. It just means that I have something different, you know? But but we have to be confident enough. And to me, that's really what a lot of what I'm teaching comes down to is we have to break the frame that has told us that we were something negative, that something's wrong with us, that we're broken. We have to break that frame because we are the perfect representation of the creator in this moment right now.

Kertia: 1:18:40

Mm-hmm.

Reginald: 1:18:41

Yes, we are perfection being expressed and experiencing the the the experiencing life.

Kertia: 1:18:50

Yes, yes, yes, Reginald. Exactly.

unknown: 1:18:54

Yeah.

Kertia: 1:18:55

So is there, you know, anything else about what you're working on right now that you'd like to share? I know you authored a book, and um, yeah, I'd love to know like what we can expect from that, and also like anything else that you're working on that you'd like to tell us about.

Reginald: 1:19:15

Sure, sure. Yeah, my book, uh, and I wrote that book a couple of years ago. Um, and it is the Egyptian origins of uh the ancient Egyptian origins of uh of the Christ of Jesus, okay, is essentially what the title is. I'm I'm I'm can't think of it right offhand. But uh, but basically that book, uh, what I do, because a lot of people they they want the thing that Christianity did that made the religion what it is, is that they move the idea of the Christ from within us to something outside of us that we are to worship.

Kertia: 1:19:55

Yep.

Reginald: 1:19:56

So to me, to heal that is the we have to recognize. Recognize and go back to the ancient concepts. So, in that book, I actually take a person and take them step by step to show them that the Christ was not originally a human individual. They were concepts that were supposed to be a part of us. What we've been taught is this one amazing person that we were supposed to worship is actually about all of us as humanity altogether. So that's what I do, and I break down and I go down and I break that down from a symbolic perspective, a philosophical perspective, and show you and bring back the ancient teachings for you. Okay. Um, the other thing that I'm doing now is I I have my newsletter that I've started. I I did, I I had a YouTube channel that that I had was called uh Metaphysics Sacred Alchemy. And I literally I had built that channel to like 110,000 subscribers, over 110,000 subscribers. But it got to be to where I just didn't feel like it was um it wasn't serving me through my joy anymore. I felt obligated to do a lot of things, and it got to be where um YouTube just didn't serve my audience anymore. So I essentially just walked away from it. The the the channel is still there. I'll leave the videos there because they're a good repository. But I'm doing my Soul Sovereign Collective uh newsletter on uh on the Substack platform, and this is where I I now I write, and I'll do videos and stuff too at times, but I write and teach a lot of these ideas, and that in a sense becomes a portal for everything that I do, whether it be my classes and courses uh that I do. I have a um a uh certification uh program uh with these comedic ideas uh for anybody, but you know, and then even just helping uh people, there are a lot of times, just like we are waking up, there's a lot of preachers and stuff that are waking up too, and they don't know what to do. Yeah, they don't know where to go, you know. And uh so I give them uh knowledge and information to where because a lot of times the way that they look at it, they feel like they have to quit what they're doing in order to, you know, to move on. And uh, but what I'm doing is helping them to reframe these ideas to where they can still be in their pulpit and teach, but it's from a more empowered perspective, you know. So a lot of different things. But if a person wants to connect with me immediately, uh go to uh uh Reginald Martin.substack.com, and that that's where they can kind of get to a portal to everything that I do.

Kertia: 1:22:52

Yeah, yeah. I love I love that you also mentioned um preachers. I noticed that there is a shift in how some people are preaching now, and I'm just like, wow, this is amazing. Like back in the day, like what you're saying would be considered blasphemy.

Reginald: 1:23:14

Oh, absolutely.

Kertia: 1:23:14

It still is for a lot of for Christians, and it still is for a lot of Christians and for a lot of preachers, but it's it's just seeing the change in like when you see it in one individual, then in two, then in three, you're like, oh wow, like something is shifting, right? Because before, like you didn't really experience that at all, right? Everyone was kind of like going with the same script, and anyone who veered off path was considered, you know, like a heretic. Yeah, literally. So now seeing it, I've seen I've heard a couple of preachers who are now preaching about consciousness and and really having a lot of spiritual concepts into what they're teaching in church, and I will like it kind of like blew my mind a bit, and it made me really, really, really pleased, and and and I love to see that. So I can only imagine, you know, how much harder it is when you grow up embedded in the religious upbringing, and you become a preacher, a pastor, or priest, or whatever, and then you begin to at some point shift to see things differently. That's yeah, that's tough.

Reginald: 1:24:39

Well, and and you have to think too, Kershaw, a lot of them, their livelihood is tied to their beliefs.

Kertia: 1:24:46

Yeah, yeah.

Reginald: 1:24:47

So if they change their beliefs, their livelihood can be gone over time.

Kertia: 1:24:51

Cut off.

Reginald: 1:24:52

That is a struggle for many of them.

Kertia: 1:24:55

Yeah.

Reginald: 1:24:55

For many of them. That's a huge struggle. And and I don't condemn that. I I know uh, you know, I've I've uh had preachers that have come through my courses and classes, and uh, some of them just like, you know, well, forget it, I'm just gonna teach what I'm gonna teach, but their congregation ends up walking away, you know. But these ideas are so beautiful that you can frame them in a way that you don't have to lose your congregation. You know, you can still talk about the Christ, but you can put it in a context of it, it is more about connecting it to their inner journey. So, so I I actually have stuff that I actually created to help them shift that language, you know. But it is to help them, because I I I know what it feels like to be doing something that you just really don't love and like anymore. And for them to teach those ideas and that literal stuff, the dogma, doesn't fit with them anymore. But it's like they don't feel like they have a choice. And that's where I was saying earlier. We can be we can be in a job that we hate when our joy is over here. Yeah, and that's what's happened to a lot of them, and a lot of them are recognizing too that people are just leaving. People are walking away from religion, that dogmatic religion, religion. But but a lot of things times what I I see that they don't recognize is that all those people are not just walking away from religion, they're walking away from the dogma and the message that they may be already evolving into is the person that they're looking to hear from.

Kertia: 1:26:36

Yeah, yeah, perfect, perfectly sad, perfectly sad. It's yeah, it's some it's not even about doing away with religion, it's the dogma. Yes, it's the dogma, it's the lack of power, it's the control, it's the fear, yes, it's all that.

Reginald: 1:26:56

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And when you can do that, do do away with that stuff, you're gonna empower people. But people, that's the message that people are looking for. And so many of these preachers, they're ready, they're ready to preach it, but they're stuck. They don't they don't want to be seen as the heretic, they don't want to be seen as the outsider. They're that it there's a fear there, and which again, not condemning because I get it. I I understand it. It is very real, you know. Uh so, but I would say to them, the truth is more powerful than the lie.

Kertia: 1:27:34

Yes. Yeah, thank you so much, Reginald. This is this is the perfect way to end this conversation. Um, you shared so many amazing insights with us today. I really, really appreciate your presence on the podcast. And um I know you mentioned your Substack. Do you want to just like tell us again about where we can find you? And yeah, any any other thing that you're working on that you'd like to mention?

Reginald: 1:28:02

Yeah, that that's just uh they can go to the Substack, that's a Sovereign Soul Collective, uh, at Reginald Martin.substack.com. And uh that that's really that's the portal for essentially everything that I do. So they they go there, they're gonna get uh, you know, I'm I'm writing articles all the time and I'm teaching these ideas. Um, you know, I'm doing different series where I actually break down the um uh I'm I'm actually breaking down the the Bible and the Jesus miracles into the esoteric meaning, you know. So that's a series that I'm actually doing right now and what that means to us and our lives every day. Because again, it wasn't about us worshiping that, it was about us being and and experiencing life. How does that happen? You know, so that's what those miracles are about. But Reginald Martin.substack.com, that's the Sovereign Soul Collective. Get there and uh you can take off from there.

Kertia: 1:28:59

Thank you. Thank you, Reginald.

Reginald: 1:29:01

You bet. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. And I I absolutely have loved this conversation. This has been so much fun.

Kertia: 1:29:12

This was a genuinely fun and heartfelt conversation. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did. If you wish to see the video to this um episode, you can head over to our YouTube channel to see that there. And as usual, thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for sharing, and thank you so much for the loving messages that I received. It's just phenomenal, just phenomenal to see that people are taking this in and that they truly value the work that we're doing. Thank you so much, and until next time.