Shrouded in Collective Delusion : What If Progress Without Meaning Is The Trap | Aaron Scott

We keep hearing that people are “waking up,” but what does awakening actually look like when you still have 3D problems to attend to? Bills due, screens everywhere, and a culture that treats your life like a transaction. Aaron Scott candidly speaks about the hidden costs of modern, Western systems: manufactured scarcity, chronic disconnection, and a constant push toward output over meaning.

We move from the illusion of separation into a grounded discussion of universal laws and divine intelligence. Covering ideas like vibration and polarity and how they show up in everyday life through balance, reciprocity, interdependence and the cyclical nature of life. Aaron connects these principles to the way industrial logic shapes our bodies and minds; from mental illness and broken bodily rhythms to spiritual starvation that can affect even the most outwardly “successful.” The missing link is coherence: mind, body, spirit, and community functioning as one ecosystem instead of isolated parts.

Aaron touches on technology and AI, positing that, if today’s definition of intelligence is efficiency and logic, then what happens to intuition, emotion, and living touch? Arguing that AI is a mirror of collective consciousness and warns that replacing teachers, therapists, and human connection with automation is a choice, not destiny. He provides practical steps toward inner sovereignty and real-world change: living with integrity, building micro communities based on reciprocity and, using conscious, intentional spending as a lever to dethrone systems instead of becoming dependent on them.

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Aarons Book: Before We Forget: The Guide to Personal and Collective Awakening

Transcript

Introduction

Kertia 0:00

I don't know. Where do we even begin? What's on your hearts today?

Aaron 0:04

Let's talk about my book.

Kertia 0:06

Mm-hmm. Before we forget.

Aaron 0:08

Before we forget. All right, let's get into it. Collective awakening.

Kertia 0:14

Mm-hmm. Tell us about it.

When Everything Becomes a Transaction, Nothing is Sacred

Aaron 0:18

So this book is kind of the um culmination of really kind of everything. It's kind of my it's it's my heart and soul, it's my kind of worldview, it's my um epistemology, ideology, all kind of wrapped into one. Um, and really the intention of it is to in many ways kind of like substantiate for substantiate this movement, if you will, this awakening movement, however, you want to digest it, or however people you know individually are experiencing it or going through it. But it but I try really my best to um add a pragmatic, tangible sort of understanding of what awakening looks like. And I do so through what I consider to be sort of a coherent methodology of understanding really everything from our you know universal laws and universal order, how that um or what that is, and how that kind of exists relative to the way that we have constructed social systems, you know, economic systems, religious systems, education systems, you name it, and how uh how those systems impact the individual, and then kind of how that entire kind of ecosystem manifests itself in sort of our lived reality, right? And I and I, you know, kind of like in this space, is there's there's so many kind of um places to turn and people to listen to, and it can get it can get kind of like disparate and it can get kind of hard to nail down what's kind of actually going on behind the scenes at a really fundamental level. And I made this book sort of um a piece that again tries to really nail down the the story of what's going on here and explain, you know, not just critique, but also explain and provide a kind of path forward to a more sort of nourished, sustainable way of life for both the individual and then for society as a whole.

Kertia 2:47

Yeah, there is just so much in everything that you just said when you think about the illusions, when you think about like people walking around with this inherent like brain fog, you know, not knowing what's going on or not having like a deep understanding of what's happening and what all of this means, and knowing that it affects us, but not understanding truly or not grasping the level at which it's affecting us. There's just so much in there to unpack. So where do we begin?

Aaron 3:29

Yeah, and I you know, to piggyback off of that, it's kind of for me, it's kind of like um it's in many ways kind of frustrating because I feel like there's so much potential for us as a civilization, if you will, right? Humanity. And it's kind of it's kind of remarkable to me how, again, these conversations and these topics and these insights are pushed to the fringe, and how they're not on the forefront of people's minds, they're not in the everyday human consciousness. And look, I know why that is, but you know, it's a byproduct of the way that we've um structured our society, how we have um redefined values and ideology, and we kind of just accept it for what it is, and we kind of roll with the punches, and we're kind of born into it, and we don't we don't look for, or we're not even that we're not even that we don't look for it, but I feel like most people don't really have the um the time and resources and energy even to pursue the kind of a deeper discourse because they are so pushed and pulled by the economic restraints, the financial restraints of just of just existing. And it becomes, you know, we we've created this sort of ecosystem of survival of the fittest, where you quite literally have to purchase your life, right? I mean, everything you have to you have to pay for what you have, everything in some way, shape, or form. And when everything becomes a transaction, you know, nothing is sacred, and uh we've lost really kind of a deeper sense of of meaning throughout our lives. And and any any kind of again, deeper conversation um becomes pushed to the fringe. But also remarkably is that if you look at at least it's it's my hypothesis, and I think it's uh I think it's well argued, it's it's actually that meaning and that deeper understanding and that deeper connectivity that everybody is searching for. They might not know it consciously, but I believe that it's this disconnection, this lack of coherence, this lack of deeper meaning that has created the trauma that exists in um in the modern age and um throughout contemporary society. So quick kind of quick thought there. I I can I can jump into kind of the arc of the book if you want and kind of give you a framework if that's if that's helpful.

Kertia 6:14

Yeah, I'd love that. And you know, before you do that, I'm so um appreciating you mentioning because I think that we kind of take for granted what people are going through as well, right? So I really appreciate you mentioning that people don't have the energetic resources to think deeper because it's easy for us to sit here and say people aren't thinking deeper, people are delusional. And yes, we are delusional, we are a delusional people. That is the truth. But when the system has been designed the way it has been designed, it keeps us in these boxes. And you are you are a part of a product, you are also a product of the system while you are trying also to in like inherit other products of the system, which is really weird, right? So you spend your time and your life trying to survive, trying to inherit these other products that the system tells us that we must inherit, that we need, that we need for our survival, that we depend on when we really should be dependent on each other, because that's what we're meant to do, to be connected first to ourselves so that we can easily be connected to each other and to our environment, and so that we can all work cohesively as a unit to to do life, to create the world that we desire to see. Right. So I really appreciate you mentioning that, that the way that things are designed, the the disillusionment that has been created from that, like it's crazy. Like people really don't have the energy to think about these things and to to dig deep or to meditate or to all of these things, it's hard. It it truly does take intentional effort.

The Fracture, Manufactured Scarcity & Delusions

Universal Laws Meet Modern Science

Shedding The Layers of Identities

Aaron 8:25

Absolutely. And you know, it's it's uh it's unfortunately easily resolvable, right? It's um but when you have uh systems of control and you have power structures in place that um unconsciously, right, depend on fragmentation and depend on a sort of myopic focus, on work, on uh you know, scarcity, if you will, on you know, people are living in this world of manufactured scarcity. It's stifle, it's it's incredibly stifling. And this isn't really a conversation about you know conspiracy theory and people pulling the you know, kind of like puppeteers in the background. And obviously, obviously, this is kind of where a lot of these conversations lend themselves, but you know, a part of my book is really, or the part, you know, my my book really tries to look at it from I think a more accurate lens, which is the product uh or the byproduct rather is is derived from us collectively. How we have you know, for centuries looked at ourself and our relationship to the world around us, looked at everything from you know science to religion to our relationship with the natural with the natural world and our relationship with you know our spiritual connection. Um we have created this uh ideology, this epistemology that is you know quite literally anchored in delusion, as you as you mentioned. And it is not a neutral construct. Um consciously, but it it actually shapes um our consciousness, it shapes human consciousness. And it's not until you kind of stop and look at it, understand it for what it is that I think real kind of evolved thinking takes form, unfortunately. So yeah, I mean I I talk kind of I kind of first lay out, I talk about this illusion of of um of separation, which which you highlighted. And that's kind of like well, actually, the first part of my book is called The Fracture, when I talk about some of these illusions that we that we kind of live within and that that we inherit, right? Um, inherited beliefs and some of these frameworks. And I talk about this illusion of separation, I talk about how you know we're living in a reality that is told to us through, again, many sort of markers of authority, but that in truth is not our actual reality, right? So when when you when you construct a reality based on delusion, it creates massive schisms, obviously. Right. And um, I then really kind of dive into some of the universal laws and the universal order that um in many ways have you know historically were relegated to kind of like esoteric uh uh schools of thought or the mystery schools, um, some other, you know, you could talk about hermetic laws, you could talk about um, but really when it when it when it when you boil it down, it's they're really kind of the the underlying governing laws of our entire universe, right? They're they're closely held by secret societies, and really kind of what you're seeing now is through modern physics, especially and neuroscience, you're seeing that a lot of these laws that have been hidden or obscured are are not mystical, they're actually rooted in real life, real tangible, measurable uh you know, scientific measurement and study, right? And I and I talk about how you know universal order things flow through cycles and um they operate under laws of balance and reciprocity and interdependence, and how human systems are built on control and linearity and dominance, right? Yeah, and we kind of might know this, but don't fully appreciate the impact that it has on the individual and on and on society, right? And when societal structures you know reflect in balance and disconnection, humanity or human beings internalize that disharmony, that disconnection, right? Because in truth, when we're so dependent upon and we live so entrenched within these systems, we embody the consciousness of these systems. Yeah. And this isn't like an abstract idea. We we have to, it's tangible. You can see it, you can you can touch it. Well, what does that mean? It means that you know, when we operate using, again, this sort of synthetic construct, we wake up uh you know, using alarms, we fall asleep by screens, we over exert during the day in order to you know for monetary gain. We don't give ourselves rest, we don't honor any part of the natural rhythm in order that that we have, you know, that that's the undercurrent of our of our being, not just you know, physically, but our conscious mind, right? And this is really this is traumatizing, and people don't understand, I don't think, kind of the impact that it might have on you or that it has on you. And I think that you get all sorts of imbalance and all sorts of ignor uh illness from psychological illness to physical illness to you know you see all of these you see all of these diseases, uh mental diseases, uh pop up. You see all of these imbalances in the endocrine system and in the autoimmune system. And and it's it was known forever that that the you know the mind, the body, the spirit, these were all this is all one big ecosystem. But you know, in the modern age, we have again, we live through fragmentation and we we treat the symptoms, but we never look for the the cure, right? And we don't look to uh to the deeper kind of truths, the deeper meaning behind what's what's going on. And it's um it's my belief, and and I think I outline it uh profoundly in the book, really, what's kind of going on behind the scenes, and that you know, we need to recognize that we are not living in nature, that we are nature experiencing itself or source experiencing itself, however you want to phrase it, and yeah, um, in this unique form. I mean, we're we're living, we're living biological spiritual beings, and we have disconnected ourselves from that knowledge, and we have sanctified industrial logic and a mechanistic way of living to um to accumulate and to survive. And this isn't a story just for people who don't have enough means and who are marginalized. This infects even the quote unquote most successful. Yeah. What you find is when you when this operates on a psychological, deeply psychological, deeply spiritual level. And even those, again, who are the most quote unquote successful, they are in truth, in many ways, the most fragmented and the most spiritually starved because they're looking for meaning, again, in all the wrong places. So um that that is really kind of the the the first part of the book high level. And then I talk about kind of like what awakening to these truths looks like and why it can be so destabilizing and what that means internally uh for the person. And I I try to leave uh I try to I try to outline a roadmap for people to to kind of anchor themselves in something real and tangible so that they don't fall back into old patterns or revert to to old kind of loops where they try to um over-identify with something else. Because a big part of this awakening process is about disidentifying, where you're shedding kind of the identity that you've inherited from your job or from your money or lack, you know, lack of both, or whatever it might be, right? It's about peeling back the layers to uncover who you truly are. This is really the mechanism at play here. And but oftentimes what you see is you see people who might awaken, but then uh, and this is ever kind of present in the spiritual movements, um, who then start identifying with their Goic mind as you know, they're uh they're a fairy who's channeling Arcturian spirits, and then they're transmitting this to the world to enlighten us because an alien spaceship is coming to save us all. I mean, so it manifests itself. There's different programs that you can adhere to. We're we're operating on a kind of this mechanistic, you know, masculine program right now, but you know, the the abstract astral plane program is another program. It's about seeing through these illusions, right? And and trying to find out who you truly are. And I and I try to I try to outline a path for that level of introspection in a real tangible way through um everything from you know meditative practice practices to somatic work to breath work to just kind of and also kind of um re-engaging with your consciousness and your deeper truths again on a practical level. And and then I outline kind of like the path forward and really kind of what's at play here and and and how to re reenvision a world based on this newfound understanding and coherence.

Kertia 18:28

That's beautiful work, that's definitely beautiful work. You know, you mentioned before some of the principles, some of these divine principles or like what the truth of what life really is about and us being the nature, you know, not being a part of nature, but we are nature. Um, we are made up of nature. So what are some of the things that you'd like to share with us about what you know about the divine intelligence?

Divine Intelligence vs. Incoherence

Aaron 19:09

Yeah, I mean, um there are some there's a handful of universal laws, right? Of this divine intelligence, just the way the universe operates. I think I think some of the most important ones we can discuss, which are you know, first and foremost, is um the understanding that everything is vibration, right? This was this was a this was well known. Everything is energy. This was well known millennia ago, but it was suppressed. We were we were brought up in this uh scientific um materialist paradigm, um cosmology, if you will, where everything was particle form, everything was fixed. This is again another illusion. This is this is not correct. And you and you want and you're seeing this now in you know acutely in the area of of uh of quantum physics and and discussing the idea of the quantum realm where we're now learning that you know particle form, fixed form is not the fundamental structure of reality. It's in fact um it's in fact consciousness, it's in fact a probabilistic structure from which matter emerges, not the other way around. So this is a huge kind of like um rupturing reorientation to our reality, which has not been incorporated into the operating system of the way we've structured society. This is this is we're not there yet, right? So there's a lag, um, which is typical. I mean, this is kind of like how it works, right? And there's there's revelation and then it gets integrated at some at some point in time. But we're kind of like in this in-between phase and we get to deal with the brunt of that. Um so you know, as these kind of old paradigms decay and and fall off, we're we're kind of we're stuck to kind of like try to usher this in, I think. And you know, I I guess with that understanding, when everything is energy, when everything is vibration, you you must kind of reorient yourself accordingly. You must understand that when you're talking to somebody, or even when you're looking at yourself, right? If you are this energy and another person is this energy and we're all connected, well, you know, we should look at people not as their physical form, not if you know it's great if a girl's attractive, right? Or if a guy has sculpted arms or drives a fancy car, but but the in truth, it's about this interplay of energy. And you should, you know, it should be about um connecting on an energetic level, right? And and looking for that connection on a deeper meaning because we we operate presently through a kind of like a functional versus a foundational reality, right? Where where our interaction uh individually and then also the way the society is structured, is is Based on functionality, it's not based on foundation, right? So again, it's it's we kind of create this externalized uh way of looking at the world, but but the fundamental nature, the internal nature is energy, right? So this is kind of a big illusion, this is a fundamental principle. Another main fundamental principle, universal law, if you will, is this idea of polarity. And you know, we can talk about uh we can we have these fantastical stories about about the creation of the universe, all these things. Well, yeah, it's kind of obviously it's we have that we've got the big bang and things like that, but these are great, these are great, and it's important to kind of figure out how things all started. But let's let's kind of like look at what we do know. And what we do know is that creation throughout the universe, across all planes and all dimensions, whether it's within human thought or human emotion or consciousness or in the natural world or in our physiology, it all takes place through polar opposites, interdependent polar opposites. So uh although they're opposites, they don't exist without the other, which is a very unique sort of situation. Right, but but it's through this interplay. So, for example, to kind of make this practical, it's like let's look at like emotion and thought, for example, thinking and and emotional faculty, right? So, like when we when we do something, our actions are dictated by our emotional feeling and our thinking, right? And if we if we're kind of operating with coherence, with with with good balance, then we want to have kind of like a balanced emotional and and and logical sort of uh coherence there, and and we will then create sound action. But if we're super elated or super depressed or not thinking things through or thinking overthinking, right? The the action that's created as a result of that is not going to be kind of where we want it to be. And this is kind of like the ultimate struggle between these ideas of like success or um doing what we want to do in life, right? This is kind of like the underbelly of what's going on. But this polarity exists again within our within our bodies. We have the parasympathetic versus the sympathetic. We have um again, simple things like it takes a male and a female to reproduce. We have to sleep, we have to rest and then wake up, right? So this this is this is balance, this is interplay through every part of of uh of just our lived reality. And um this is kind of a big this is kind of like the the ground upon which I focus the book on because it's the most pervasive sort of inversion and distortion of these universal laws that impacts our our lived reality, which is this overextension of the masculine principle versus the feminine principle, which is also expressed as the thinking versus the emotive principle, right? And when you live with a imbalance, kind of overtly masculine war in a masculine world, again, things like meaning, things like intuition, things like this is all discarded. Even like even caring for the elderly, caring for your children, having close relationships, right? Deep relationships, finding deeper meaning, this is all pushed to the side because, well, it's not functional, it doesn't serve industry, it doesn't generate capital, right? So it's like so this is kind of like the existential crisis that we live in today. And um with understanding this, or or you know, this obviously this universal law, but these universal laws uh across the board, it's only then that we're able to cultivate a society based on the natural coherence of the divine, right? However, you want to look at the whatever that divine is, let's look at like what let's look at what it is based on what it does, right, in our lived reality. And part of that is about also, it's not just about again this balance, because creation only happens when it's in truth, it only happens when it's imbalanced a little bit, right? But it's about being in the right sort of tilt, right? It can't be so inverted, it can't be so out of out of whack. It has to be kind of in this equilibrium, right? We don't want static, but we want something that's that's that's uh doesn't erode our soul and our psychology, you know, our our minds, etc. Our bodies, right? So um, but but part and parcel to that are things like you know, everything in the natural world operates with reciprocity, um with right relationship, where you can't just tear down uh the Amazonian rainforest, for example, and then expect it to grow back and you know in a day, right? We the the the divine order requires that we give it time, right? Yeah, you can't just constantly extract on a linear basis. There is a cyclic, there's a cyclicality to everything, right? So this is again another distortion, another inversion. And it's my it's kind of like my framework that when we align with the divine, the true nature of the divine, which which we can understand to be operating through these univers, you know, universal laws and universal order, this is when we um we can truly kind of connect to what we're missing because it transcends multiple planes.

Kertia 27:34

Yeah. Yeah, you're so on point with that. Absolutely, Erin. So taking that into context, right, and putting it into context of what's happening right now with society, what's happening with the new developments, with technology, with whatever. And you know, people are talking about AI and all of this stuff. It seems to be a huge concern where people are trying to weigh how this thing will positively or negatively change our lives or our environment, our future. From your own perception, where do you think this is headed? Do you think, you know, when you think about the grand scheme of things and talking about divine intelligence and the nature of things, do you think that somehow AI can serve some type of higher purpose? Is that a possibility?

AI As The Apex Of Disembodiment

Aaron 28:35

I think that AI, like every other tool, is a function of uh sort of the collective consciousness that's directing it, right? And I think that in the current framework that it's being developed, AI, and I characterize this in my book, it's sort of like the apex of disembodiment. It's it's a reflection, again, of this old paradigm way of thinking, of this scientific materialist sort of viewpoint where, again, we have this over-identification with the mind, where, you know, um, just kind of in present day where, you know, industrial and digital systems reward um, you know, logic and output and intellect. Well, this is only this is only kind of one side of the story here. Human intelligence is not just again, linear logic. It's also intuition, it's also emotion, it's also, again, these other deeper components. So it's natural that we've created this AI, right, to serve this, again, this distorted way of understanding what intelligence is. But to create true sentience, we must look at what actual human intelligence is. This is not it. This is a this is, if anything, a mirror into our again, misunderstanding. And it's based on this illusion, it's based on this delusion that we are that we are sort of that that this is sort of the evolution of human intelligence. This is this is the evolution of of again this this um misunderstanding, right? So but if but if we were able to again bring back the inherent nature of humanity, of human consciousness into the fold, it could be hugely beneficial for humanity. It could be hugely beneficial. We could find ways to cultivate um ecosystems uh uh in parallel with economy. We could find ways to find uh deeper meaning for us as individuals. We could find ways to reimagine educational systems where we aren't looking to lean on AI to like replace the teacher or the instructor, where we aren't looking to lean on AI to replace like a mental health practitioner. I mean, these are kind of or even like a even like a customer service representative, you know, things in life need living touch. We need to be in touch and in tune with with other living beings, uh, other human beings. It's not all about efficiency, right? It's all it's not all about profit and revenue, but but this is what we've sanctified. So it's kind of like interesting, like what are we willing to sacrifice and when and who's gonna stay, who's gonna kind of like put a limit on things? Well, if we allow the systems of control, if we allow economic uh drivers to dictate our future, then things will not be put into check. And what will happen is pick any dystopian possibility. I mean anything's possible, but it's not gonna, it's it won't involve it won't involve preserving true humanity and and respecting true humanity in the way that it actually is.

Kertia 31:46

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just you know, as you say, there there are so many possibilities there. It just depends on how we use it. Are we using it consciously with conscious intentional input? Right? What are we putting into it? What are we using it for? Right. And I don't think anything is inherently like bad, it's just the intention that we put into the things that we do. Yeah, sure, we can work together as a society or we can work to build some people and keep some people down. Like there's nothing wrong with having systems. But what are we what what are these systems based off of it? What is the foundation of these systems? What was the intention behind the development of these systems? And I think it just goes back to that intention.

Aaron 32:51

That's right. That's absolutely right. And you know what, systems are are good and crucial to our human evolution. But like you said, it it's about uh allowing hu it's about how how can I phrase this properly? It's it's about the systems serving humanity, not humanity serving the systems.

Kertia 33:12

Exactly.

Institutions Over People

Aaron 33:12

This is this is kind of like the the big inversion, and this is how we've structured our our our lives, our society. And we this is an old story, but it goes back to in many ways kind of the kind of religions. Religions were the ones who sanctified the institutionalization over everything else. Where, you know, originally we had this unique um experience, personal experience with the divine, right? In truth, obviously nothing exists outside of the individual experience, but you know, your experience with with the divine, if you will, right, and mine, right, are gonna be are going to be different. They're gonna exist in some kind of parallel, but but it's gonna be unique to you and unique to me, right? So when when religion institutionalized this, and religion said, oh no, that's that's not worth focusing on, that's not worth referencing, and that's not that's not worth anything. You must, you know, you must go through me, you must go through the institution to experience a connection with God, right? This is what happened. This was the sanctification of institution. And and it's it's it's maintained that that blueprint has maintained itself into the modern era. And when and what does that mean? Well, it means that that a corporation's well-being is tantamount to the employees, is tantamount to the human beings who use their products, yeah. The shareholder and the company profits that matter. This is an externalized structure. This is not, but but in truth, and we we do this also on like on kind of like the economic financial level, where only GDP or only gross domestic product is a reputable measure of measuring growth and and measuring success and measuring um the goodness, if you will, of something on the economic level. But this is only one part of the story. What about what about what it's doing for humanity? You know, if if if GDP goes up or if a company's profit goes up a percentage, but you're but you've enslaved 10,000 people in Sudan or if or in the Congo, and if you've enslaved, or you know, if you're employing sweatshops in Bangladesh to increase your bottom line, who cares? Who cares that your margins are up X percent, right? Your profits up X percent, your margins are are increasing. Like, like, you know, you don't care when all that matters is the institution or the corporation or you know, the government, whatever it is, you know, we we've we've lost this deeper meaning, we've lost this touch with humanity. And it's all about it's all about uh at the end of the day, it's all about shedding this externalized way of looking at ourselves and our focus on the external and and kind of moving back into the internal. And this has been lost from consciousness.

Kertia 36:09

Yeah, just thinking about everything that you said, like the institutionalization of religion, of these institutions, how they have been sanctified instead of that internal that internal thing that keeps us all connected and all centered. It's like programming that has been done to just like kind of program it out of us. And we're just here and we're vessels, we're vessels that serve the institutions that serve the corporations. It's it's crazy, right? But I don't know, and linking back to a lot of things that people are talking about nowadays, and people are talking about the shadow government and what it does, and how it has, you know, created these distortions and how it has kept us separated and how it serves the the illusion that we're all operating under. What is your take on that?

Aaron 37:24

So, you know, as far as you know, let's be clear, as far as the the shadow government's concerned, I think the shadow government nowadays is really a kind of um combination of like this deep state architecture. The steep state architecture has always been to serve corporate corporate interests.

Kertia 37:43

Right.

Aaron 37:43

You look at if you look at like the CIA, for example, the original purpose, I mean you could say that it was oh, to combat you know this and that, but but it was really to push push corporate interests and to and to shove Western hegemony down the throats of uh across the globe of um other governments. We we overthrew governments uh in in Central and South America. We are overthrowing governments or trying to in the Middle East to this day.

Kertia 38:11

Yeah.

Shadow Government & Corporate Power

Aaron 38:12

Tried to do the same thing in Vietnam. I mean, so and we and we've we've manufactured war, you know, we've manufactured wars. This is not conspiracy, this is documented. I mean, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a complete fraud to get us into war in Vietnam. You've got people talking about you know 9-11 being manufactured. I don't I don't have enough uh insight there, but and I don't think it's I don't think that it's uh definitely the case, but there's certainly a compelling argument to be made for it. But this is all about again, corporate expansion. So and again, this is the again, this is part and parcel to kind of what we were talking about before, where where we operate solely, we operate myopically with a focus on supremacy through financial means, right? We have we have a central bank whose job is to really keep an economy stable, but to manufacture to manufacture an inflationary kind of growth rate, which keeps people with assets in power. It also um it also creates marginalization with wage with wage earners who can't ever really save and then invest. And there's always a massive lag between um the unemployment, uh, sorry, the um the minimum wage or wage earners and kind of these growth rates. So it keeps people, you know, uh the effect is really kind of this this suppression. I don't think it's I don't think it's as kind of um maybe manipulative as people might think it is. Now, I know that there are uh powers that be that are looking to kind of push a communist agenda or who are looking to create internal schisms based on like this whole gender identity movement. I've I've re I've read about this and I and I there are certainly compelling arguments here, but again, I think the overriding main driver here is economic uh motivation, where as long as the people with money and power are pulling the strings behind our government, behind the people who are supposed to be looking out for all the people, right? Everybody, as long as those people are the ones um impacting policy, you're going to get these effects, you're gonna get these byproducts, and you're going to get poverty, you're going to get marginalization, you're going to get inequality, you're going to get, you know, you name it. It's just, it's going to be the natural, uh, the natural effects because this overextended capitalist system that is run by, again, you know, oligarchical, oligarchical or billionaire or whatever it is, NGO influence, uh, their interest is not in the common person, just not. It's in expanding their own individual empire. And until our elected officials draw the line and say, look, uh, you know, we've been on this gravy train for a while, and you know, lining our pockets was fun, but you know, maybe we'll now get back to caring about people and their actual livelihood, nothing's going to change. Like this is where this is where government, this is where government needs to step up. This is where this is where they have a real impact. And the shadow government is really, I think, uh operates on like a on like kind of like a federal administrative level that you have with with these agencies that that um are bound to industrial complexes uh and that aren't susceptible to election cycles. Because that no no no shadow government can can hold its form if it's if it's based on being elected every four years, right? That's true. So that's kind of the that's kind of how I see it. And again, nothing will change as long as we as long as our God is is money and um and in global dominance, just won't it won't shift.

Recenter Through Integrity - True Alignment & Community

Kertia 42:09

Yeah, that's absolutely true. You know, one thing I think about a lot is um clarity, you know, as I mentioned before, that I feel like most of us we walk around with this inherent brain fog, and sometimes I'm just like, what will it take for us to wake up? I guess. And I see that people are waking up, but you also talk about, as you mentioned in your book, about how that can make you a little bit unsteady on your feet, that process of waking up, of becoming aware of the true nature of reality and versus the reality that has been created and shoved down our throats. So what do you think we can do when we come to this point where we're waking up or we we're seeking? I think we're all seeking anyways, we're always seeking, but some of us just aren't quite there yet where we can see things for what it truly is. But how can we I'm not sure how to ask this, but you mentioning how unsteadying that can be, that process, how then can we come back to center? Like what are some of the steps or ways we can begin to come back to our center? Because I think that's a really hard question too, because this isn't this is a unique experience for each and every individual. Right? But just from what you know or what you've gleaned from your own experience. Experience what you've observed, how can we begin to recenter ourselves, gain some sense of clarity?

Aaron 44:12

Yeah, I think that it's an important question. And I think that one of the most well there are certainly kind of different levers to pull here, but when it comes to the individual self, when it comes to the unique experience, when it comes to, again, looking at how these systems have conditioned us and in many ways kind of programmed us, if you will, right? Um, to uh and instruct us on how to live our lives, how to govern our own lives. This is kind of like the real mechanism here, where you have this whole idea about the matrix and the puppeteers. I mean, the real thing going on here is that you must live your life a certain way, because if you don't, then you die, right? Then you don't survive. You you starve to death, or you that's really kind of the real invisible hand here. So the story is about, and it's about kind of what happens when you're forced to contort yourself accordingly, when you're forced to accommodate the system, not accommodate yourself, right? So it's about kind of understanding what you know, first kind of peeling back the layers and understanding who you are, right? And you don't get to you don't get to discover who you are if you are constantly again accommodating these systems, constantly accommodating and submitting to external uh control, to externalities, to the external illusory, you know, reality. Right? This is not this is not lend itself to awakening, this is not lend itself to internal coherence. So it's my belief that there's really kind of two main ways to kind of fight back, if you will, right? The first is from you know, looking at the the first is is from living with kind of with an inner alignment. And it's hard to kind of like get there, what does that mean? What's inner alignment, or what's what's integrity? Living with integrity is another way that I describe it. And and it's really kind of quite simple, you know, like asking yourself, you know, if money wasn't an issue, right? If I'd have to worry about money, what would I do? What would I want to do when I wake up in the morning? What would I want to create, right? Not like, oh, I want to sit on a beach, because at the end of the day, guess what? Like, no offense, after a couple months on the beach, you're gonna want to, you're gonna get stir crazy. That's just I mean, everyone everyone wants what they don't have, but eventually you're gonna want to create. It's on our human nature to create, right? So what are you gonna want to create? And it's about fighting for that. If you if you like painting, if you like writing, if you like programming, computer programming, if you like uh architecture, I mean, whatever. It doesn't have to be like esoteric and ethereal. It could be like really impractical, right? If you like building trains, I mean whatever it might be, um, that's what you should do. Because you know what? That will breed internal coherence, that will breed inner alignment, and that will bring you the harmony that you seek. And it's not, you can't, another thing is you can't do it alone. You need to find people to do it with you. People need to start looking out um to other people and cultivating microcommunities, where it's not this massive overhaul where you're like, oh, you know, let's buy a plot of let's buy a thousand acres in Montana and then like we'll live off grid. And we'll it's not a re- it's about re it's about re-engaging on a microcommunal level where where we support one another, where we're not, where we're not constantly worried about finances, where we're not constantly, you know, worrying about ourselves. And then when and then when the money, when the discussion of money comes up, it's like, oh yeah, like I can't talk about it. This is this is how things change. Another way uh things need to change is with where we where we give our power and where we give our energy, and that's through money, right? So for example, look, it's great to buy a $10 t-shirt at a at a at a discount retailer, but you know, you well know that it's being made, it's being made through exploitative means, exploitative means. You know that it's being made in a sweatshop, you know it's being made. Don't buy it. It yes, it's super convenient to be buying something from some, you know, whatever, whatever it might be from from this auto company, from this that, you know, don't do it. You know, buy from a regional distributor, buy from a local grower, don't buy a car every two years, don't buy a thousand pairs of shoes. This is what keeps the system churning forward. As long as you're kept hungry, as long as you're kept satiating this endless void, the system will win. The system will be sanctified always. This is where the the idea of the power lies within the people. Yeah. The people where we storm the Capitol building with pitchforks and scream and then they overturn all the oligarchy. This is not how it works in reality. So this is what we're showed in movies, but in the real worlds, this happens by dethroning through where you spend your money. Because without you spending your money, they have no power. It's very simple. So it's about and it's about being conscious of where you're spending your money, where you're giving your energy. And we don't get there until people are graced with knowledge and truth and deeper perspective and understanding. It doesn't happen. This is why kind of like why I believe that these discussions, and hopefully my book, are so crucial because until people can kind of open their eyes and see things for what they are, they're not motivated to make these leaps. They're not motivated to make these changes. But this is kind of this is kind of really what's going on here.

Mind Where You Put Your Money & Energy

Kertia 49:57

Absolutely. Absolutely. People forget how much power we have, how much power lies in our hands. And you can get up and complain every day about the government, about the politics and the economy and all these things. But remember that you are equally creating it. You are actually creating it through your participation. It's as simple as that. And once you decide that you no longer will participate in that, then you'll see the change you want to see.

Aaron 50:32

Absolutely.

Kertia 50:33

And and that's just what it comes down to. We participate in it, but we're complaining about it and thinking that the protests and you know, storming the Capitol and fighting each other on social media and all the things that that would do anything. No, like, you know, the protests and all these things, the reactions, they just show us that there is an inherent rule and that that needs to be looked at. But that is not the solution. That's not the solution. The solution is coming back to center. The solution is reconnecting with our truth, reconnecting with each other, and choosing not to participate in these systems. And that's it.

Takeaways: The Revolution Begins Within

Aaron 51:16

That's right. And it's and it's again, it's not about it's not about dethroning or dismantling. Sorry, it's not about dismantling the systems, it's it's about just dethroning them and not not being dependent upon them. Yeah. It's not about not utilizing them. I mean, they should be utilized, but they should be utilized consciously. And you're not giving up your agency, or you're not giving up your sovereignty to them, right? Like it's it's all everything's kind of all about balance in my mind. And um we are not, I mean, like let's look at it kind of like an extreme level. If you said to somebody who's kind of deep within the system, like the everyday worker, right? Um, no matter what field, accountant, manual laborer, it doesn't really matter. And you said to them, I want you to leave your suburban home or your city, your city apartment and go move to a farm. And I want you to survive, I want you to thrive in that environment. I would say 90% of people will have no clue what to do. Literally. So dependent on the systems, right? Like how to grow food, how to, I mean, so like this shows you this level of dependency. I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that's kind of like the course of action to take, but but but this shows you kind of like what's what the actual dependency is. Yeah. And we're so dependent on convenience, and and it's through kind of convenience and through um uh this kind of like accepted numbness that uh that we give up our autonomy, that we give up our true sovereignty, our true power, because we can't, we don't we don't know of another way, right? And we accept it. We accept and we give up our freedom, our true freedom for it, right? Like kind of fed these illusions, like with the Patriot Act. It's like, let us tap all of your phones and go through all of your personal information because we have we're we're protecting the freedom from the terrorists. It's like oh my god, it's like how is this digested and not revolted against? I mean, it's it's so it's comical, it's scary. It's it's it's it's like it's like sheep herding 101. So um unfortunately, you know, until um again, these conversations become kind of more mainstream, it's gonna be, you know, you and me are sitting in the in the purview, kind of like scratching our heads in kind of disillusionment.

Kertia 53:44

Oh my goodness, Erin. Oh, as usual, fantastic conversation. So good. You always come ready to deliver. I love it. Oh man. Okay, so what what do you hope people will take away from your work?

Aaron 54:05

I really hope that through my book, Before We Forget, The Guide to Personal and Collective Awakening, that they are able to reclaim their inner alignment, reclaim their inner sovereignty and understand really who they truly are. And this isn't about some, again, like we're all souls, yeah, we are all spirit, we are all souls, we are all souls experience experiencing ourselves in our physical, in physical form, right? But it's a deeper conversation than that. It's about finding out who you truly are, what what really motivates you, what really nourishes you, what really um will sustain you and not keep you fighting ghosts and keep you trying to numb yourself and keep, you know, and keep you kind of addicted, and all these different things that we kind of accept to be normal, right? Like it's about finding that. And um what I hope the takeaway from the book is that these are attainable and that it's just about having kind of the right guidance and seeing um seeing things for what they truly are and how they can be reimagined that you get to that place.

Kertia 55:15

Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful work, Erin. Thank you so much. Please tell us where we can get your book and anything else that you're currently working on.

Aaron 55:26

You get my book on Amazon right now. It's going to be released in audio form, I believe, in two to four weeks now. And uh it'll be available in like bookstores nationwide as well. Um, I think within a week, I think by the end of the month is when it's gonna start hitting shelves. But I'm available on Amazon now. I have a I have a podcast, the Evolved Podcast, which is really content-based. It's not it's on a guest uh host format where I talk about um societal systems and inherited beliefs that um that uh offer a new perspective and I think can shine light on the way that we interact with the world around us. I'm going to be starting season two in a couple weeks as well. So that's where you can find me. My website is the Aaron Scott dot com. Um yeah, that's that's about it.