We Have Only Scratched The Surface of True Human Origins | with Dean Graves

Key Takeaways:

- Anunnaki interference, DNA manipulation, and the Eden story as distortion.

- The eight densities of consciousness.

- Humanity’s turning point & open contact from Galactic Beings.

Dean Graves covers a wide-ranging conversation on consciousness- the foundation of reality, and why the hardest parts of being human can become the exact tools that wake us up. He speaks of enlightenment as a lived path rather than a destination, while challenging common ideas about free will, death, religion, and the origin of Human Beings. Shedding light on the Beings who greatly influenced human evolution and the difference between those who are of service to others vs service to self.

We explore what it could mean to be at a collective crux point, and how “fourth density” consciousness might be showing up in younger generations- touching on vibration, frequency, and why different levels of perception can lead people to experience the same world in radically different ways. Pivoting to potential open contact from extraterritorial beings- our Galactic family, in the very near future. 

We further discuss reincarnation and pre-birth planning, what really carries forward after each lifetime, including why some spirits might linger as “ghosts” due to attachment and confusion. The conversation challenges religious ideas built on separation from God and the need for a saviour, while still acknowledging the real value of community and charity. 

All links to our guest's work and official site

Website ➡️ https://www.ddeangraves.org 

YouTube ➡️ https://www.youtube.com/c/DeanGraves

Instagram Account ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/simpleenlightenment/ 

Linked In ➡️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/dean-graves-985390239/

Dean's Books: https://www.ddeangraves.org/books

Books Mentioned in this Episode: The Ra Material: The Law of One

Transcript

Welcome & Preview

Kertia 0:00

Beautiful people, can I get a side of your product? I am your health, churchy, and eye pleasure, a speaking of team grades, a meditation teacher, a mental health counselor, who deal with integral text covering consciousness, the nature of reality, and our purpose here at human beings and the grand scheme of creation and activity. Now in this conversation, he to go through the concept of free will and classification, which I found, so intriguing perception on free will and what it actually means. Versus how humans define free will and how we act on free will is very intriguing still. And then we got into a conversation about consciousness and the nature of consciousness. And he took us through the eight ranges. He took us through the eight ranges of consciousness, which then laid a framework for discussion on humanity's true origins and how galacticans, such as the Arcturians and the Anunnaki, influence our evolution and how they will continue to shape humanity and our planet in many ways. There are so many other galactics who were directly involved in this creation story, in how we evolved in how our world even has been structured. So I'm definitely looking forward to continuing this conversation with you all. So please reach out and let us know what you thought about this conversation. And again, you can head over to our YouTube channel to watch these videos and engage with our content to continue to feed the algorithm so that we can continue to get these conversations out there into the world because why not? Why not be exposed to new perceptions on things, to new ideas, to new concepts? And at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. We don't have to agree on everything, on every detail of every story, but we can take what resonates and leave what doesn't. Thank you again for all your love and support. Now let's get into it.

Spiritual Awakening Later In Life

Kertia 2:37

Tell me more about your journey into consciousness and enlightenment and discovering all of that. When did that begin for you? Well, it uh began in earnest about uh my 50th year. And uh, as most folks, um we are planned, uh designed to um have experiences, and it is through those experiences that we learn. That's why we have uh experiences. Uh we misperceive for the most part that we can through experiences learn about the world around us and other people, but the reality is uh they those things, people, places, and things, are giving us the opportunity to learn about and explore ourselves. And so um, and we do this, we learn at this range of consciousness. We all share a common range of consciousness, and we are all tasked with um exploring awareness and learning to use awareness as uh the both the discovery tool and the healing tool to our misperceptions of self and advancing ourselves along the uh consciousness evolutionary journey, which is synonymous with enlightenment. Most people misperceive enlightenment because primarily because of the Buddha's teachings and accomplishments that enlightenment is a destination, but the reality is that enlightenment is the path. And so uh with that in mind, everyone is already enlightened to the degree that they have allowed themselves to advance along the enlightenment path. So it's not a matter of becoming enlightened, it's a matter of realizing that you are um you are consciousness and you are tasked with um evolving by advancing yourselves along the enlightenment path. Yeah, tell me more about that. Tell us more

Free Will As The Illusion

Kertia 5:00

about I guess the purpose of this, right? Because you're talking about being here to learn certain things. And I know when you're in the crooks of it, it's not easy to digest that information when someone is going through, for example, like a heartbreak, or they just experienced a death in the family, or I don't know, they've experienced some type of very unpleasant um trauma that wounded them. How can we begin to put these things into I guess how can we begin to reconcile it with our purpose of being here? Because sometimes all of those things and the experience of all those things and the wound, the woundedness felt from all of those things kind of overshadows, you know, what we feel like we're meant to experience here and what our purpose here is. Okay. We are consciousness, everything that we experience is consciousness, and all of creation is consciousness. But consciousness is stratified into vibrational levels, and that stratification is made possible by a distortion, a distortion of perception. And the distortion of perception that began creation and was purposeful is called free will. And free will is a concept that we misunderstand because we perceive that free will is the um the choice of being able to turn right or turn left at our individual discretion. But the reality is that free will is our perception of separation, and it is only because we because we perceive ourselves as separate from people, places, and things, and most importantly from the creator, that we have the perception of choice of whether to make these individual choices. Uh, the purpose of creation is so that the one infinite creator might know itself by experiencing our itself. Uh, we are experiencing ourselves at a very low level of consciousness, which means um we have a lot of free will intoxication. Free will, the more free will that we have, uh the more intoxicated we are free will, and free will intoxication works very much like uh alcohol. When we drink a lot of alcohol, then our awareness is reduced from what it would be if we were not intoxicated with alcohol, and we do usually more stupid things when we're intoxicated with alcohol than we would if we were not. Uh we are very intoxicated with free will, and so our perception of separation is almost absolute, and so consequently, we do uh stupid things uh not knowing that we are actually the one infinite creator experiencing ourselves at this range of consciousness. The whole evolutionary process of consciousness and the entire enlightenment process, which extends below us into even more intoxicated ranges of consciousness, and significantly above us.

The Eight Densities of Consciousness

Kertia 8:34

There are eight ranges of consciousness, major ranges. We are sharing the third range from the bottom, and so we are um elementary in our beginning the evolutionary journey back to uh reunification by the total surrender of our free will intoxication. Wow. Yeah, sorry, I'd I'd love for you to get into the eight ranges of consciousness. Okay, well, um if you understand that creation is the um creator sending analog projections of itself as far away from its recognition of oneness as it can, and then allowing that analog projection to evolve back to total unity with the creator from which it began, and uniquely exploring itself all along the way. And by virtue of that journey and the liberation of exploring however that perceived individualized unit of consciousness to explore its experiences, then the creator most infinitely is able to know itself through all of these creative varieties that the perceived separate parts of the creator employ in evolving. So creation actually began at the top of the rung, the eighth range of consciousness is the creator as the subject, which simply means it is equivalent to the one infinite creator, with the only distinction being that it perceives itself as separate from the one infinite creator. So it is uh it is the one infinite creator conceptually that perceives itself as separate from the originating one infinite creator. Uh the creator as the subject begins to further develop creation according to the original plan of the uh creator as the object, which is the original one infinite creator, and by creating fractal layers of consciousness by using this free will intoxication creates a seventh range of consciousness, which is unique because in the seventh range of consciousness, it is a fractal of the eighth range of consciousness, but certain inherent characteristics that are inherent to the one infinite creator became delineated, and those characteristics are awareness, love, wisdom, unity, and stillness. And those five inherent characteristics are the pattern for the further creation of all of creation. The seventh range is tasked with exploring stillness, and it is that range of consciousness is subdivided into um what are called the the ranges are called densities, which if you think of a density as a mile, and dimensions within the density would be an inch. And so we incrementally explore as deeply and completely as possible the inches to again progress as deeply as possible to unification with the Creator. The seventh density is a fractal of the eighth density, the sixth density is also a fractal of the seventh density. It is also divided into inches, but it is the broadest range of consciousness. Consciousness has a scale, and each density, for the most part, is divided into eight platform levels, subdivisions of these dimensions. The sixth density is actually eight divisions, so it is twice as wide, twice as large as any of the other densities. The sixth, seventh, and eighth are deemed to be creator-being densities. The sixth density is primarily responsible for managing, they're the day-to-day managers of uh the lower five densities, which includes us. Uh, our higher selves all are of sixth density. So when we are communicating with our higher selves, we are communicating of our, as they describe it, ourselves in the future as a sixth density level, but they are our our guides. Yeah. Um and they they create us, they arrange for us to incarnate and do all the things that we do to explore creation. The fifth, fourth, and third ranges, and we're the third in the third ranges, are considered to be experiential densities. Uh the third range is just the beginning of our elementary evolution into the exploration of consciousness, and it is the first range that has adequate awareness in order to assume responsibility for our evolution and actually explore according to one of the inherent characteristics of the creator. The fifth density explores wisdom the same way that we explore awareness. The fourth density explores love the same way that we explore awareness. In third density, we get a peek behind the curtain as to what love feels like, but we can't stay there all the time because we don't have the consciousness in order to do that. So our evolution within fourth density will begin where we leave off in third density, which is the platform level of having become awareness, and we will use that awareness to explore ourselves as love, that aspect of ourselves as love, until we begin, we become the love that we already are. In other words, we're removing the distortions of perception of self all through that evolutionary process to expose ourselves as the and the creator's love that we already are. Now, second and first density are foundational densities. And um the first density, if you uh for the sake of ease of explanation, is inorganic matter, including fire. Fire is the lowest range of consciousness, but it is still consciousness. Um, second density are plants and animals, and they are foundational because they in and of themselves do not have the consciousness awareness uh adequate to assume responsibility for their evolution, but they are necessary to provide us with the opportunity for what we perceive to be the physical world planets, so third density and fourth density can have a place to live and evolve. Thank you for that explanation. Wow.

Humanity's Future & The 4th Density Experience

Kertia 16:13

So from knowing this, where do you think we're headed right now in our level of consciousness when you kind of look at where we are situated as a humanity, right? Like where do you think we're headed right now with our level of consciousness? Well, uh there are um great uh varieties of ranges of consciousness that occupy the earth experience. And understand that what we what you and I see uh are the analog projections of our metaphysical self. We simultaneously exist in the metaphysical world, which is our enduring self. It does not die, and that is actually what is evolving, is our metaphysical self. Our metaphysical self is um shaped, it is a consciousness pattern, it's not physical as we perceive ourselves to be physical, but it is a consciousness pattern, and we have shaped that by incarnating a multitude of times into a physical world existence, and what we learn in a physical world existence is incorporated into our metaphysical self, and so each time that we reincarnate, it is wherever we are metaphysically, our metaphysical self is the starting point for a new incarnation. Uh in most third density experiences, um, the consciousness pattern has the capability of incarnating in multiple incarnations simultaneously. Um Earth has had a very difficult evolutionary path, and uh, because it has been very difficult, we actually have a across the board very low level of consciousness energy available to us, and so for the most part, we are able to incarnate in only one lifetime at a time. But what is preserved after a lifetime, all of the the um the technical knowledge that we gain, all the the parchments on the wall, the MDs, the PhDs, whatever we have accumulated in a lifetime goes into the ground with us, with our body. The only thing that is preserved is those what we have learned about the inherent characteristics of the creator: awareness, love, wisdom, unity, and stillness. And so those are what is shaping, and those are the measure of how we're doing in our evolution. Uh within the earth experience right now, we are at a crux point. Uh we have in February of 2016 finished the uh a third density cycle. It is for the a large number of us the fifth uh attempt to graduate from third density that uh uh has historically been unsuccessful, obviously, since we're still in third density for the most part. But we have begun a new third density experience, but we have simultaneously begun a fourth density experience that is still commingled with the third density experience. So the majority of the children that have been born since uh the mid-2000s, um, 2004, 2005, that range in there, uh are fourth density children. And they are just becoming uh of age, they're just getting to that 20-something year age where they're beginning to recognize their assumption of adult responsibilities. And so they will be, as they mature more and assume more responsibility, but will be much less accepting of the foibbles that third density has demonstrated and is still continuing to demonstrate in the earth experience. And that will continue until the fourth density actually separates from the third density. The third density will continue on, and the hope is that by affiliation and association with the fourth density children, that that will escalate the consciousness, awareness of the ongoing third density population. But the fourth density will begin a fourth density experience that will continue to be in parallel, but they won't interact. Interesting.

Vibration, Frequency & Separation

Kertia 21:01

Can you tell me a bit more about how that works when we're on different frequencies? We're all here on earth, but we're all on different wavelengths, right? There are people that are in the third, and then there's people that's in the fourth. And how does that work? Well, we are we are distinguished by vibrational frequencies. Our metaphysical pattern, uh, our consciousness pattern uh is a vibration, and we are recognized by vibrational uniqueness uh as a cumulative population that has incarnate uh that population has a vibration as well. And we perceive space and and uh difference. There is no such thing as distance, there is no such thing as time, other than in our perception, the distinguish the distinguishing factor. Are vibrations. We perceive ourselves to be in a linear time experience. And so we measure vibration according to frequency, but frequency is a time measurement. Obviously, if you're outside of time, which most of creation is, then you don't measure things according to frequency. You measure things according to an a um an empirical vibration. And it that's reflected mostly in color. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That is true, yeah. Wow. So okay, so you said earlier that a subset of people living in fourth density will not, when you're at that density, you kind of don't interact at all. Right. Or can you always do that? Their density won't re-interact because they won't have the capacity to elevate their vibration adequately to interact for the most part. There are there are exceptions to every rule. Yeah. And there are in our experience today, someone who is uh vibrationally tuned to higher frequencies communicates uh you know very liberally with the higher consciousness levels. But as a rule, that's not a third density experience. Fourth density will, as they develop their capacities as fourth density beings, will have the capacity to interact with third density, but for the most part, they will choose not to because uh the higher densities. Um are you familiar with the um the Star Trek concept of non-intervention or the crime directive, I think they call it? Yeah, yeah. Well, that actually is a as a rule in higher consciousness that they don't interact to any point that would potentially hinder the choices being made by lower consciousness. Yeah. And so fourth uh fourth density until they mature as a population won't interact with the third density once that separation takes place. It gives like a whole different perception when you think about it in that way. Um, because like the way how we kind of perceive our environment and the things that's happening out in the world right now, everything seems so chaotic. So just saying how our experiences will be so different, and the way that we interact with each other may or may not that may or may not even happen, depending on so many factors and the frequency at which you're at. But we experience so many things collectively, right? It's just amazing thinking how each and every person can experience this differently based on where their frequency is situated. It's truly phenomenal.

9 Star Galaxies, Archetypes & Distortions

Kertia 25:22

Well, then when you magnify that infinitely, then it becomes even more difficult to comprehend. Creation is more vast than our wildest imagination can comprehend. The inherent character we our uh universe, our galaxy, uh is a nine-star galaxy. And that means that it has expanded in groups of nine stars. Each star is home to uh an archetype of the creator. Our sun is occupied by um uh awareness, no, by not sorry, by wisdom. And there are eight other stars that also have others of the five inherent characteristics, but we also are comprised of four distortions, which each is an archetype of the creator at this at six density range of consciousness. And each star is a sixth density range of consciousness. Um and the the distortions that we have that facilitate the types of experiences that we have are uh awareness, um free will, which is part of every experience, uh unconsciousness, which is something that we are tasked with overcoming, and we have an enhanced perception of separation. And so those four distortions, along with the five inherent characteristics, comprise the the framework for our all of our galaxy, and all of the uh galaxy has expanded in groups of nine stars.

Arcturian Guidance & Planetary Quarantine

Kertia 27:14

Um I have a podcast that we communicate with the Arcturians. The Arcturians have long been involved as guides of the earthly population. The Arcturians are simply another nine-star system, they're a sister nine-star system that has been in the process longer than our nine-star system, and so they have been a longtime guide and and um sister to our entire nine-star system. Yeah, so wow. So, yeah, I'd love to know more about the Arterians and how they assist us, or what do they think about the processes that we are experiencing currently right now on the earth? Well, they understand the difficulties that we've experienced, and as I say, they've been involved with us for a long time. Um and they're they're non-critical, they offer uh information that is um scaled down to what the the third entity can understand and uh providing uh truthful information to us. Uh, and it is through that contact that uh um that you know heretofore uh the higher consciousness at historical times in our evolutionary journey have been much more interactive than they have been in the last say 5,000 years. Yeah. And the that was reduced because of difficulties that that was causing, and we were quarantined for a long period of time as a planet, and so the number of uh uh communication sources was severely restricted because of our limitations, not because of their unwillingness to help. And so they let us evolve, and uh contact has been greatly accelerated in the last hundred, 150 years or so,

Open Contact with Galactic Beings in 2027

Kertia 29:30

and now it is probably at a peak because it is anticipated that uh in a couple years we're gonna have open contact with physical beings uh that will be uh providing us with all sorts of information, including uh a truthful history of our experience, which I'm looking forward to. Wow, okay, so have

Channeling The Higher Self, La (Sun) & Ra (Creator)

Kertia 30:02

you in the process, I guess, communicated with any other beings outside of our galaxy, other than Arcturans? Because there are there are like quite many of them. I personally I communicate uh with uh uh with my higher self. My higher self is uh um uh a sixth density entity that has long is one of the the creators of earth. And um uh when after my awakening that uh we started talking about around my fifth year, then I began communicating with my higher self. Uh they are of the inherent characteristic of love, which is also known as Ra. Uh Ra is the the name for that inherent characteristic of the creator. So Ra is pervasive to all of creation. Um our son, which is home to, as I said before, wisdom, uh, which is all is called law, LA, just like Ra is RA. And they again are pervasive to all of creation because they are an inherent characteristic, and they have long been involved, and I have communicated with aspects of law as well as Raw. Uh Raw communicated uh most directly with a group in uh Louisville, Kentucky in the early 80s and uh channeled uh Carla Rucker channeled uh Raw as uh and they present it printed it into books as uh raw material, uh which are still available today in five books. Yeah. Um and uh communicate with an aspect of Raw. Okay.

Reincarnation & Human Origins

Kertia 31:53

I want to know because when you think about the lives that we've had before, um our higher self and information that we can get there, and it's role in all of this. When we think about the past experiences that we've had, like maybe the other incarnations that we've had on the earth or on other planets and other galaxies, how are we then impacted by that? Because, like as you said before, like we leave the material things, but then we have all of these um lessons that we learn about the nature of life and the nature of being. So taking that, taking all of that with us from other lifetimes, how do you like, I guess, how does that kind of bleed into the experiences that we're having right now? Okay, well, again, the the you know, what is preserved after an incarnation, the average human has incarnated over 3,000 times. Oh my goodness. And some as many as 8,000. Whoa. Uh so we're we've been in the process a while, uh approximately 850,000 years. We began uh most of us, a large number of us, began the experience on what is now called Venus. It was at the time called Xenoa. Uh, but in the course of our evolution through a range of third density consciousness, we blew the atmosphere off of the planet, which ended the third density experience. Uh, we were transferred to another planet to begin another third density experience. That planet was called MALDEC, and Maldec now is the asteroid belt that circles our solar system on the other side of Mars because we blew that whole planet up. And it interrupted the uh the third density experience. So from MADEC, we were transferred to Mars, and the things that they are discovering on Mars are the remnants of our civilization that we had or that we created on Mars, but we blew the atmosphere off of Mars, and so that ended that third density experience. Uh, we were transferred to Earth and began again. That was the fifth attempt at uh graduating from a third density experience is when we were transferred to Earth, and uh we had great difficulty here. There was um there have been significant civilizations that were much more advanced than we are on Earth. Um but we um Atlantis was a continent, and we had a significant nuclear war on Atlantis, but ultimately eventually Atlantis was sunk by a meteorite, and so uh there are still remnants of Atlantis under the Atlantic Ocean. And so we began again, and all of these times we've begun again, and um we uh when we came when we came to Earth, the group that began on Venus was added to with fifteen other civilizations from other third density experiences outside of our solar system.

Earth Is A 'Second Chance' Planet

Kertia 35:31

So Earth began what they call as a second chance planet. So we were like a reform school in order to try to get together and learn to work together and evolve through the third density experience. But we've had a very paltry history of actually moving people out of third density into fourth density because of these difficulties. Now we've had great interference from uh negatively polarized uh groups around the uh uh the creation. One of the more strategic things that we are tasked with accomplishing

The Choice: Service to Self or Service to Others

Kertia 36:17

in third density, in addition to becoming awareness, is making a choice. And it's simply called the choice. And the choice is to decide whether we are going to develop our experience through evolution as service to others or service to self. The service to self is considered to be the negative path and the indirect path back to the creator because it doesn't ever align with the creator. And the service to others is that path that is um progressing towards unity. And uh we've had great interference

Annunaki & Metatron's Interference

Kertia 37:00

uh from primarily from two groups uh that have um distorted our distortion of our experience, the referenced as the Anunnaki and uh the Metatron, which is another competing group, Anunnaki has been the primary one that has continued to stick put its sticky fingers in our evolutionary process. And so a lot of the distortions of perception, everything from um intensified perception of separation to um um wars to religion are all concepts that the Anunnaki has provided us with to keep us from evolving. They wanted to keep us suppressed because they interfered with our evolutionary potential to the point to keep us as a subordinate population to do their bidding. Wow, so many things. So that's one of the reasons that we were we were quarantined. Wow. Okay. Okay, first of all, we're really good. It seems we're really good at blowing stuff up. We are masters at that. Yes, we are. If there's anything that we have been successful at, that would be at the top of the list. That is wild. And literally, um, I think we've almost probably blown Earth up at some point too, right? But Earth is not multidimensional. So

Dinosaurs Are Still Alive in Another Earthly Dimension

Kertia 38:39

there are uh there are multiple versions of Earth that are all existing simultaneously, including a version of Earth that still has dinosaurs thriving and doing well. Wow. Wow, okay. I think I think that's another conversation that I that I'm really interested in, by the way. But okay.

Annunaki and Genetic Manipulation

Kertia 39:04

All right. So you mentioned Anunnakis, you meant you mentioned Metatron. I'd love to know because as with everything, there are people who lean towards one side, there are people who lean towards the other side. Is it would it be weird to think that um there were some Anunnakis who were helpful, who were more helpful than harmful? I'd love for you to get more into the role that they played in kind of dabbling in our human affairs and where that kind of left us and how, you know, because like of course you have the ones that dabble um for their own like self-serving purposes. And then you have the ones that are probably of more service that are more helpful to us. So I'd love for you to like give me a bit of both and like how that interplay kind of affected us as a human race. Well, in multiple ways, and and we could spend a day talking about the the multiple ways that they've affected uh the the population and entered the population. Uh a group of Anunnaki that the Anunnaki as a whole are negatively polarized, but they still have rules, uh, even along the negative path. And a subgroup of the Anunnaki long time ago, um, and and this has has been a they can only affect our physicality. Okay, they cannot affect our consciousness pattern. So they have interfered with the incarnational populations that we have occupied on um Genoa or Venice um uh Venus and MALDEC and Mars and Earth. What we learn from our incarnations is incorporated into our metaphysical self, but our metaphysical self doesn't have the body that we do now. What they have principally done in the meta Metatron was also to a per to a degree much less so in the Earth experience, but more so in our earlier incarnational experiences. Um they have manipulated our DNA, which has limited our capacity to evolve. They wanted to keep us um under their thumb to to do things to help their existence. And they were recalled by the Anunnaki because they did

The Truth About The 'Garden of Eden'

Kertia 41:50

this, but their base, their headquarters to do this were actually in Egypt. And the in their language, that base where they manipulated the the physical DNA to uh um limit our capacity to evolve uh was called E Dun. And we there's a modicum of truth in every distortion that we perceive. And the Garden of Eden is actually called Eden, which it was not Eden, it was E done in their language, but that was where our DNA was manipulated, and then which is limiting information, limiting our capacity for education, which is the Garden of Eden and the apple and the whole story that evolved about the Garden of Eden. And so every human on earth at the time, and it was significantly less populated than what we are now, but you understand how genetics work, and you distort, significantly distort a core group, and of course they have children and children and children and procreate and so forth, and so that genetic distortion spread to the rest of the population. Yeah. And so we have for thousands of years on Earth, and the same thing occurred in these previous incarnational uh experiences. Um, the the excitement was that we actually completed a third density experience in February of 2016 without blowing up the planet again. Yeah. That was considered to be a great accomplishment. Yeah. That is hilarious. But, you know, thinking of RDNA, right, and how it has been manipulated, you mentioned um Um the civilization before us, the Atlanteans. I'd love to know though, like,

There Is No Past or Future

Kertia 44:07

are there any aspects of that of that energy remaining within our DNA that we can still access? Because they were here too, and they did their thing, and they were like far more advanced than us. Well, they were technologically advanced. I don't know that they were significantly spiritually advanced from what we are. But yes, there are multiple multiple versions of Earth, and there are multiple, there are versions that are more spiritually advanced than us, and there are versions that are very relatively speaking primitive. And you know, as I alluded to, there are versions of Earth where uh the dinosaurs still roam freely. Um so you know, all of these, once once they're created, they don't go away, they just follow their own path. And understand these are segregated by vibration.

Time Is Not Linear In Spirit

Kertia 45:06

And we perceive that time is linear, we perceive that um uh you know we start today and we can't go back or sideways or can't jump ahead to the future. The reality is that when we are choosing our next incarnation, we will choose that incarnation from the entire spectrum of possibilities of the third density experience, which may be at the beginning, what we would perceive to be the beginning of the third density experience, or near the end of the third density experience, that would be from our perspective, some point in time in the future, because these are available laterally when we are outside of time and not linearly. So we can through meditation and concentration and elevating our consciousness, we can have great recall of what we perceive to be past lives, but we don't get to remember future lives. Yeah. And that's by design. Time is nothing more than our limited capacity to process more than one thought at a time, and that's part of our design. If we could if we could stop our thought, we could move out of time. But we can't stop thought, which is a misnomer that people think that, well, I'll meditate and just stop my thought. Well, no, it doesn't work that way. You don't stop your thought, you just quit, you get out of the flow of the thoughts, but you're still processing thoughts. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So you know, you mentioning okay going back to

The Transition Between Death & Incarnations

Kertia 47:00

when we come out of this of this incarnation and before I guess we we have this this um, we're at this frequency whereby we are thinking about what to do next. Where are we going next? What will we like to experience next? You know, which leads me back to to death and how we perceive death. Because of course, when you think of it in the grand scheme of things, there's no death. But in the physical form, it's a painful thing for us because I guess this is what we're here to experience, right? And then when you think about religion and what legit religion tells you about that, or culture, anything that society or anything external to you tells you about these things in the meaning we've ascribed to these things, is very limiting, it's scary for some. Um, there's a lot of grief, there's a lot of pain, there's a lot of fear around that as well. And, you know, I've also heard of situations where, for example, there are people who might pass and they might not cross over immediately, they might stay on Earthworm for a bit. So I'd love for you to kind of give some context to that experience and what's really happening. Um, you know, like when it's time for us to cross over or um even when you think about, I know, like this is such a loaded question because I'm I'm kind of all over the place. But when you think about even um, I guess like when it's time for us to exit, like it's it's is it ever too early? Is you know what I mean? Like, because we use terms like untimely death and things like that. So like I'd just love for you to put all of this in context because um I think this is like a really important piece to everything that you're saying as well. Okay, the the the transition is as easy as is uh changing clothes. Um we we are an analog projection of our metaphysical self. Um conception of an infant is at random, but the uh inhabitant in the habitation of that physical body is usually by the choice of the incarnating spirit. Uh, or if the incarnating spirit is very um uh infantile in its evolutionary progression, then the higher self will choose that incarnation based upon what that that the probability that that lifetime with the the circumstances of parents and siblings and uh neighborhood and body type and all of that will provide that spirit with the opportunity for experience to learn what it needs to learn at the stage of development that it is in. Once we achieve a certain degree of proficiency and awareness in our own evolution, then we will choose the lifetimes that we need in order to have the probability of providing us with the types of experiences that we need to explore ourselves. So we incarnate as white people, we incarnate as black people, we incarnate as males, we incarnate as females, whatever possibility of combination of ingredients that would contribute to the nature of our experiences is possible. And so we will be rich in some lifetimes, we'll be poor in some lifetimes, you know, just whatever the combination is that we need in order to have the probability of the types of experiences that we need are made available to us. Uh but the transition into um the body uh is a simple process. It uh always occurs in the third trimester of uh birth. If it is uh uh a fairly infantile spirit that is incarnating, it will move into the the body permanently earlier in the third trimester. Uh some higher spirits don't come in until the last minute of birth. Oh wow. And so it depends on the incarnating spirit. Uh, when the baby is moving around inside the mom, then uh think of it as uh the spirit is trying out the controls to see you know what controls need to be done or adjusted, whatever, to learn to work with. And then they probably leave. It is improbable if that they're gonna be there the whole time. So when the baby's not moving, it just means that they're not occupying the body, they're not they're not, you know, in the um uh the training mode at that point. Um, but it is, you know, with higher consciousness beings, it's absolutely just at the moment of birth for them to occupy the body. When we die, um we will leave the body, and there's almost always uh uh a period of confusion because of the change. But we are fully aware. Uh we are aware of our surroundings. We usually will uh float above our body for a few minutes until we get our bearings, get our direction, and then we are guided to simply make the transition, which is usually perceived as a series of lights, which are just kind of like directional lights to follow the lights. Each light is a vibrational transition point. Uh, for people that are lower on the consciousness scale, they will have more lights. And so you'll need whatever transition level that you need in order to adjust. If you're higher on the evolutionary scale, then you may only have uh a couple of lights because you don't need that guidance, but you'll be always your higher self is always available to you. And uh there's always folks around to help guide you through. Now, there are people that are so confused by their death, and they have such attachments to people, places, or things that they had when they were alive, and uh a parent's attachment to a child is a common thing. You know, I can't leave yet, my child needs me for this, and that they they're ghosts, and they simply they're outside of time, and they are confused to the point of not being able to recognize the need to transition to their death. Uh, they can stay in that condition as long as they want to. Uh, they're not going to be bothered if they want to stay there. And what we would perceive again, time is our perception, the linearity of time is our perception, not their perception. And so they will perceive that they're staying in what they deem to be a geographic location as long as they need to in order to resolve and surrender that attachment. But it's not harmful to them. Uh, they're not missing anything other than you know, staying in that degree of confusion for a period of what we would perceive to be a period of time, and then we may perceive it to be hundreds of years, but they don't recognize it as death. So that's all that death is. And then we integrate with our metaphysical self, that portion of us that was projected uh is integrated with our metaphysical self, and then we go on with our learning, assessing it's it. If you think of it, uh we're all on a sports team. And if you know most sports teams, they practice all week and then they have a game, for example, on the weekend. And so when we're not incarnate, we're uh watching game films and we're getting coaching and all of that stuff that a sports team would do, and they review what you did in the last game, and you think about what you're gonna do next in the next game to improve your performance. And then you incarnate again, which means it's another game time. And unfortunately, we get to forget all of that learning that we did, other than the deep down in our heart, we have the feeling because of where we began, where we left off, what we need to do. And so we play another game, and we try to remember what all the stuff that we learned in our coaching the the week before, or in between incarnations, and then it games over, and we go back, we review game films, and the coach yells at us and all that stuff, and then we practice more and do it again. Yeah, yeah, and we tend to incarnate with the same spirits because we're we have soul groups that we identify with, and so we more often than not have probably incarnated with our our friends and and uh most of our family over and over and over in just different roles. You may be a mom in this lifetime or a child in the next lifetime to the same people because you're getting different perspectives and how the things you need to learn are presented. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So going back to you know, when we were getting back to pre-birth planning,

The Lessons Learnt From Witnessing Death

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and you mentioned something that piqued my interest. That some um higher frequency beans, more learned beings, they come in like right at the end before the baby's born. So what would you say happens with still birds? Because I think that's like it's it's such a devastating thing when you're dealing with that in a human experience. So, what is it that's going on there? Well, uh similar thing that is going on, uh you know, uh I live in Memphis and St. Jude Children's Hospital is here in Memphis. And uh they bring people, their children in from all over the world that have cancer. And uh large numbers of them don't make it. Uh you know, they die very young. Yeah. Uh they know before they are born that it is highly probable that they're gonna die young. Yeah. Now, if you if you think about what we are supposed to learn here, and what we are supposed to learn here is exploring ourselves and surrendering our perceptions of separation and learning sympathy and most importantly, compassion. Yeah. And so think about the effects of a child that dies early on not only the parents and the siblings and that family, but also the doctors and the nurses and everybody that attended that child. Right. And the lessons we perceive to be dramatic, and they are dramatic because of the degree of attachment to that entity, but the lessons are significant, and so they are providing a service to accelerate the evolution awareness of all the people that are in contact with that child's experience. Yeah. Same, same with the child with the stillbirth. Yeah, it puts it into such a perspective, right? Looking at how connected everything truly is. Because it's like when you kind of have to look at what's going on around the world, even right now, we know that there are people dying, we know that there is just so much happening, and it feels overwhelming for a lot of people. Okay, well, think about in in the news worldwide the uh uh the Ukraine and Russian conflict. Yeah. Okay, the the Russian population, and particularly the Russian leader, has very much polarized service to self, the negative path. Yeah. And they have attacked Ukraine, but Ukraine is as a populace is demonstrating significant courage, significant unity. They are, if they didn't have it before, are learning great sympathy and compassion for their fellow countrymen and becoming a significant example for others in the world to emulate. Yeah. And so as you know, we have can't help but uh have that perspective of the the humanness of that, but from a spiritual standpoint, they are providing a significant catalyst for every other person in the world to become more aware and evolve. Yeah. Yeah, it's just going back to putting things into perspective because you know, when we talk about the self-serving entities and the beings that are of service to others and how they each play their roles, you also see that these things that we consider to be negative or lower frequency or dark um energies, that they have also such a vital role in all of this, even though it's hard to deal with as a human being. But then when you see how we grow from it, how we evolve from it, how communities are formed from it, how there is more compassion, there is more empathy, there are more conversations and things like that. When you see that kind of impact, then you recognize that there definitely is a greater purpose taken place here for all of this. Well, you know, the uh the perceptions of uh, for example, love, and we just use that as an example of the inherent characteristics of the creator. And if you're polarizing service to others, then you are concentrating on the positive side of love. But love is complete, and so there is a negative side of love as well, and so the service to self is simply providing a very valuable service, but they're exploring the negative side of love, which is from my perspective, very uh unpleasant. But that notwithstanding, that is an aspect of the completeness of the creator that needs to be explored. Yeah, I

Distortion of Religion: Separation From The Creator

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think we have um, you know, because even going back to religion, we've tend to kind of like um segregated things, right? Because we have the light and the dark, and the light and the dark don't go together and all those things, but then as you said, everything is off the creator, it all comes back to the one thing, right? So the one place of existence that we all come from. So the light and the dark also does belong to that, it also does come from that. You you may choose not to participate in the dark side, but it still is a valuable uh kind of contributor to the creator knowing itself. Yeah, it's interesting, it's it's truly interesting. So, what do you have to say then for when you kind of think about how we conceptualize, because you know, we mentioned the Garden of Eden, we mentioned like a few other things as well, especially when it comes to the Abrahamic religions and the things that we learn from that and the commandments and the this and the that and what you're allowed to do and what you're supposed to do, and you know, how can we then begin to reconcile that? Because I think the the good thing is people are now beginning to have more of these conversations because us talking about this would have just been blasphemous like years ago. Yes. So I don't know, like, did you even have um any type of a religious upbringing that kind of informed your own perception before your awakening began? Like, I'd love yeah, I'd love to get into this whole religious topic of all of this. Well, um religion, as I've I've already said, is it was a concept that the Anunnaki introduced to uh to help control our uh behavior. And the the the foundation of every major religion that I have familiarity with is the same. It is exactly the same. And that foundation is that there is a God and we are separate from that God, and God is a religious concept. Uh the reality is, and in everyone has a concept of God, regardless of whether your religious being, even if you're an uh an atheist, you have a concept of God of some sort. Uh in that concept, if there was a God, uh if you're an atheist, atheistic believer, uh, would that God be infinite? And if your answer is no, then or even if it is, then in order for the concept of God to be infinite, infinite doesn't mean a lot of stuff. Infinite means everything. Yeah. Infin infinity is uh the numerical value of infinity is one. Any other number is finite. The only infinite number is one. And so if that is true, if the creator is infinite, and infinity means everything, that includes you too. Yeah. You cannot be separate from the creator and the creator be infinite. And so I've written a book called uh edifying children of a lesser God, uh, which goes into explanation uh of that. That that is a foundational concept that gives religion meaning because if you know that you're the one infinite creator experiencing yourself at this range of consciousness, then your best source of information about yourself and the creator is you, not a religion. Yeah, and so the religion has to have that capacity to intercede itself between you and God in order to have value. And therein was the concept of introducing the Anunnaki in between as the church or a church between you and God, that you couldn't talk to God directly yourself because you're a peon. Yeah. If you realize that you were the one infinite creator experiencing yourself at this range of consciousness, well, you don't need them, you need to get them out of the way. Wow. Wow, yeah. Oh my goodness, Dean. Yeah, you're preaching right now. I'm sorry. I love it, yes. I was just taking it in, yeah, yeah. That was that was like so on point.

Thoth - 5th Density Entity

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Speaking about Anunnaki, you know, you mentioned um Egypt, that their operating base was there. Um I got into a little bit some of the history back then and Toth and his work. What is the interconnection there? Is there any interconnection there at all with I came across the Emerald Tablet of Toth, and like he was also like a huge figure back then as well. So like yeah, Toth Toth or Thoth, uh, with whatever, uh, actually is an occupant of uh the remnants of Venus. Is his uh if you understand that uh the service to self kind of works like a uh a Tupperware structure, yeah uh and uh Thoth is a uh fifth density negative entity that has been instrumental in distorting earthly perceptions, and he is the sole occupant of uh Venus. And uh he has had a uh a long involvement uh with Earth. But uh no, he uh he used to visit me all the time. Uh we we had a we have a decent relationship, you know. I don't I don't fear him anymore, but I you know I have a um uh a friendly relationship with him. But uh his his his polarization, his philosophical leanings are are decidedly service to self. Really? Yeah. Wow. The Emerald Tablets are a service to self. I'd love to hear more on that. And like your whole relationship with him right now, I guess what's his perception on what he was doing or what he was teaching? Well, he was what he was teaching was was uh confusion and distortion, and um, you know, trying to perpetuate that service-to-self mentality to uh keep the population

Intelligent Energy, Energy Harvesting & Personal Sovereignty

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and understand all of creation below sixth density, and sixth density is essentially the creator of this, is fueled by a distortion of energy uh called intelligent energy, and it is a constant source of fuel for us. You have intelligent energy flowing through you right now, every aspect of consciousness around you has the same source flowing within you, yeah. And it it enters through uh our perennium or our feet and flows through our body, and it provides us with the the energy to live to exist. Okay, um, that is from your higher self. And when you choose to service the self path, then in order to graduate from third density, you are choosing to separate yourself from unity with your higher self. So you are choosing to divorce yourself from that source of energy, but you still have to have that source of energy in order to continue to participate in creation, and so you have to get it from someplace else. And the best place to get that is from third density beings, because it's like uh the Goldilocks porridge, where we have enough intelligent energy to steal, but we're not smart enough to know we're not supposed to give it away. And so third density is perpetually a target for service to self-individuals in order to farm the intelligent energy that we are so willing to give up because we don't know any better. And intelligent energy fuels our awareness. So as we heal our distortions of perception and heal our false identities and become more of our authentic self, then this intelligent energy that is flowing becomes less restricted and energizes the awareness part of us that allows us to accelerate our evolution along the enlightenment path. So the service to self is in competition not only with us for our uh intelligent energy sources, but every other service to self entity, because it, as I said, it worked kind of like Tupperware, you've got a huge number of minions out there selling Tupperware, trying to farm this initial intelligent energy from the third density population. Then you have middle managers, and then you have people up the line, and each person, you know, each step up the line gets a little bit of the intelligent energy, but cumulatively they get a lot of it. Yeah. Okay, so the real target of why service to self continues to uh interact with third density and be such a hindrance to our evolutionary development is they want to keep us suppressed so that we'll continue to feed them with the intelligent energy that they need to participate in creation. Because if they don't, then they will they will disappear. They would be a verge merge back with a creator, but all of their perception of self would vanish. So they're desperate in order to maintain that source of intelligent energy.

Help From Galactic Allies & Personal Responsibility

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Okay, so taking that into consideration, what do you say about other beings that are not incarnated as humans? Maybe there are currents, maybe there are other beings. What we've been told, of course, that we also have beings that are really helpful towards our evolution in different ways, playing different roles in order to help us on our evolutionary path as human beings. So is there anything that they do to kind of counteract um this kind of, I guess, energy harvesting service to self beings? Well, yes, one of the more strategic things that they've done, providing us with information, and that's what that's the purpose of the the uh the communications from uh channels. That's the purpose of the anticipated um uh direct contact with the uh the physical bodies of of um alien beings is to provide us with information. The third density, the difficult thing that we have to learn in third density is we have complete control over our evolution. Yeah. And we have to assume responsibility for our progression along the uh the evolutionary scale. And if you think about the the the other big thing other than the perception of separation, that um religion does is um it convinces us that we have to be saved, that we're inferior. Yeah, okay, and every religion does that to some degree in some form or fashion. They're always looking for a savior to take you out of the misery of your life. Okay, that is that is a major service to self uh hegemony that they have made pervasive in the human population. Because as long as you need a savior or a hero to save your, then you limit, or if not uh totally ignore, the fact that you have not only the responsibility, but the tools necessary in order to advance yourselves along the evolutionary path.

The Redeeming Qualities of Religion

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Yeah. Do you think there are like do you think there are any aspects when you think about religious texts? Then do you think that there are any aspects remaining within any of them that can give us like little nuggets of the direction that we really should be going? Because like the the primary nuggets that that the religion provides is it gets people together in a sense of higher higher vibrational uh fellowship. Yeah. When you when you have church gatherings and everybody's you know sharing food and eating and just having a good conversation and learning about each other, that's very valuable. Yeah. But what you know, when you get down to the that that can be completely without the religion, but it's just the nucleus that brings people together in that sample. You know, churches organize a lot of great charitable work, which gets people involved with others that are completely socially different from them. So it educates them about other aspects of the population they would probably never have contact with. Yeah. So from that standpoint, churches provide some very significant benefit to individuals in the population, but where they, you know, they only go so far because they have these hegemonies that restrict their thinking and their assumption of responsibility for their own evolution. Right, right. Yeah, that is true. All right. Like we've we've spoken about so many things today. I could just go on with the questions, but I know how to let you go soon. You have to come back. I would love to. I have more. Okay. But um, just real quick,

Dean's Work

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I know you mentioned one of your books um earlier in the conversation, but then you also have the enigma of consciousness. So I'm very intrigued to know what that's about, what we can expect from that too. Well, that is uh uh to date, that's my compendium book, and it explains the uh the origins of uh creation, the purpose of creation, your purpose as uh as an individual. It explains in much more detail than we can cover in a conversation each of the densities. It also explains the archetypical mind, which is a blueprint for how we process thought and actually uh defines uh uh the process of our evolution as we modify what we perceive to be our brain and in the evolutionary process. Uh it talks about the choices, uh, the the choice that we have to make. Um uh it is as complete as I could make it uh two years ago when I when I wrote the thing. And I've learned more since, but that notwithstanding, things have changed. But from um uh a completeness, it's it's I've tried to make it as accurate and as complete as as possible. That's amazing. Is there

Get Comfortable With Challenging Your Perception

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anything that you would like to leave us with? Any last words before we head off? Anything that you wanted to mention that we haven't addressed in this. Well, the primary difficulty in in accepting the information that we've been offering in this discussion is that it's not difficult to understand, other than from the standpoint, it challenges your prevailing perception of self and your prevailing belief system. And that's what is difficult to understand that it is it is it challenges that, and that is stressful to people because when our identity is challenged, that is in and of itself a stress. But that stress is our teacher. When we feel stress, we are learned, we are to become aware of what it is that we have incorporated into our perception of self that doesn't feel good, and use that as the tool for our healing of false perceptions of self, assumption of responsibility for our uh advancement along the enlightenment path, and the measure of how we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much, Dean. This was a great conversation. I truly enjoyed it. Can you leave us with your contacts? Where can we find you, your work? Uh I have uh I have a website with all my contact information and the books, and uh, and I run two uh do two podcasts as well. Uh it's just the initial D Dean Graves, all oneword.org. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. This has been delightful. I appreciate the opportunity to uh to let me ramble. It was good. It was good rambling. I really enjoyed it. Good, good. I'm glad. Yeah, so many things, so many things. All right, thank you. Thank you for sticking this out with us. This was such an amazing, fascinating conversation that I had with Dean, and I hope that you also took something from this conversation. I hope something piqued your interest. I hope it makes you question things, because that is the purpose of these conversations, to make you question what you think you know, right? Because we don't ever know anything a hundred percent. But we can question, we can look, we can research, we can seek other sources of information that are different from the ones that we grew up with, from the ones that we were raised with, culturally, socially, familiarly. So let's continue this conversation, let's continue to deep dive and see where it finds us. All right, until next time.