College Prep (Episode 28)

🎧 Think you know everything about college prep? Think again! Dr. Lauran Kerr-Heraly, Executive Function Coach and Community College Professor, reveals the hidden challenges of college life that your guidance counselor probably never mentioned.

In this eye-opening episode, we go beyond the usual "study hard and join clubs" advice to explore the real skills that make or break college success. Dr. Kerr-Heraly shares insider knowledge about college readiness that most students don't discover until it's too late.

Uncover crucial insights about:

• Executive function skills you need but nobody talks about
• Hidden challenges of managing college independence
• Professor-approved secrets for academic success
• Mental preparation strategies beyond academic readiness
• Life skills that matter more than your GPA
• Real talk about community college advantages

Perfect for: College-bound teens, current high school students, anyone feeling anxious about higher education, and parents wanting to better support their teens' college journey.

Features expert advice from someone who sees both sides - helping struggling college students while preparing high schoolers for success.

To learn more about Dr. Lauran Kerr-Heraly, please visit the links below:
https://www.alteringcourse.com/
https://www.instagram.com/altering.course/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurankerrheraly/

Transcript

Welcome to Mindshift Power podcast, a show for teenagers and the adults who work with them, where we have raw and honest conversations. I'm your host, Fatima Bey, the mind shifter. And welcome. Today, we're gonna talk about college prep. And we have with us today, our guest today is doctor Lauren Kerhulley.

Kerhulley. You got it. She's an executive function coach and a community college professor out of Texas. She is also the founder and CEO of Altering Course. How are you doing today?

Doing great. Thanks for having me on the show. And thank you for coming. Let's dive right into it. What do you see as the top two issues people have coming into college?

Well, number one is procrastination. And the students tell me that. Their parents tell me that. I see it. It's definitely procrastination.

And the root of it might vary, but it's putting things off till the last minute. I always say if I had a dime for every student who said I'm bad at time management, I'd be rich. So the putting things off is really problematic. And sometimes it's the biggest thing that they have to change about their approach to work, because procrastination might have served them in high school, but it won't serve them in college. And they'll get behind quickly, and sometimes they'll get behind to the point that they, you know, can't catch up.

So procrastination is number one. Okay. That's definitely true, not just in college, but in life. What would you consider to be number two? I think it's actually I'm gonna put this under so I'll first define executive function, which is basically the the brain function, the set of skills that helps you get things done.

And so there's several skills that fall under that. It's just a way of kind of understanding, why we do things and why we struggle with certain things. But one of those things is actually, emotional intelligence or emotional awareness. And it might seem kind of odd for me to talk about that in the context of school success, but it's really significant. So when students come in and they're not aware of why they do certain things, I'll take procrastination for an example.

You know, I am not exempt from any of the things that I'm talking about. Right? And I remember very specifically back in college, which was a little while ago so far back that I didn't have a computer in my dorm room, and I had to go to the actual computer lab where there were computers. Right? And it was 2AM, and I had procrastinated on a paper.

And they kicked me out, and I wasn't finished. And I was like, no. Just let me print, and, it was due the next day at 8AM or whatever. So as I was being kicked out of the computer lab at 2AM, I thought, okay. Something's gotta change.

I can't keep putting things off. But what I realized in the process of that particular instance is that I put things off because I want them to be perfect. And if I put them off and they're not perfect, then I have an excuse for why they're not perfect. So that was the emotional awareness that I came to was that, oh, if this doesn't have to be perfect, then I don't have to put it off to the last minute. And once I became aware of the reason, I was able to backtrack and start solving the problem.

So that's why I think lack of emotional awareness or maybe I'll say a deficit in emotional awareness is something I come across a lot because it helps you understand why you do the things that you do, helps you have quality relationships with other classmates, with your professors, with friends, etcetera. So that's the second one. I think that's a pretty powerful statement, and I like emotional awareness like this statement. I I just wanna point out that this is not just applicable for college. It is applicable through life because as let's talk to the adults for a second.

It might be why you keep having the same issues on your job because there's there's a reason why you're exhibiting certain behaviors, and maybe you don't realize the root. So maybe it's time to find out what that root is so you can rip it out and be better. You know? Definitely. And if you don't understand the roots, the behavior won't change.

Oh my god. Will it not? Will it not? And and and I think that you're so right what you said, what got you through high school. Some of that will not get you through college because some of them let you slide.

You know? Sometimes they allowed excuses. In college, they don't care about your excuses. It's done or not. Period.

And Right. You know, a lot of a lot of life is that way. College is supposed to prepare you for the work world, you know, or whatever career you're going into. Yeah. And when when I talk to my students about procrastination and I talk to them about why deadlines are important, I say, this is not just, like, arbitrary for my own good.

You can't just turn everything into the end of the semester because then I would have a pile of grading to do. But, also, things build on each other. Your skill sets build on each other. The deadlines matter. And if in the real world, if I emailed my boss and said, listen.

My kid is sick. I know grades were due at ten. Can I turn them in at two? My boss would say, sure. Right?

But if I disappear for two weeks, don't turn in my grades ever, then I lose my job. Right? So that's that's what I try to help them see is that if there's communication, there can be grace, but there's still an expectation that things are done at a certain time because you're you're affecting other people and you're affecting your own wellness. If you put things off, then you get to do fewer fun things. You get to under you don't understand things as well because sometimes students will say, well, you know, in high school, I got to just turn things in late from the beginning of the year.

And I said, well, we've already learned that. We've already built on that skill. We're scaffolding as we go. So it's not just about there's a deadline for deadline's sake, but it it's for your own wellness, and it's to prepare you for the real world. I think you said a key thing there that I wanna really make sure that people are hearing, preparing for the real world.

There are parts of college just like parts of high school that are really annoying. You gotta meet deadlines. You gotta do things you don't feel like doing. But the rest of life is like that too. And if you're not gonna handle it in college, then you're gonna end up not handling it in the real world, in your work world, and that will end up affecting your pocketbook, y'all.

It affects your pocketbook. Right. At the end of the day, because that's what some of them it affects more things, but some of them don't hear anything until they hear dollar signs. It can affect your pocketbook because you will underperform. Well, and you're paying for college or somebody's paying for college, which means Right.

That is affected as well. If you don't pass your classes, that's it. And, you know, I always tell my students one of the biggest mistakes you can make is waiting too late to ask for help. As I say, it might be a little bit awkward on week two of a class to go to your professor and say, I'm struggling with this, or I need help with time management, or maybe it's not your professor. Maybe it's a tutor.

Maybe it's someone in the library, even a classmate. Maybe it's a little awkward, but you do it, and it's fine. It doesn't cost you anything at that point. But if you go to the professor at the end of the semester, you're three quarters of the way through, and you say, oh, you know, I'm really behind. I don't know what to do.

Then there's nothing that can be done generally. So you need to practice asking for help in a constructive way. And I've got some videos on my YouTube about this, and one of them is about how to email your professor, like, how to how to communicate in a way that's productive because you wanna be specific and clear and state these are the things that I've tried, but this is what I need, and do so in a way that's respectful, then that'll get you places. And that is great practice for the workplace. You're a % right.

You're definitely right. Now you are a professor at a community college. I am. Why are no. We're not just talking about community colleges today.

But since you are a professor at community college, I do wanna to dive a little bit into, the community college world. And sometimes people have, you know, certain ideas when it comes to community college that they think is not as good as a four year school or it's lesser than and all of that. I wanna address that. Why do you think it's a good choice for many? Well, I say excellence anywhere is excellence regardless of the fact that it's got a fancy name or whatever.

I went to community college for two years and went on to get a doctorate, so it, you know, worked really well for me. I loved it as a student. And so I I actually taught high school. I taught middle school. I taught university, but I think community college is my true calling, and it's definitely my favorite place to teach.

Some of the advantages of community college that you might not consider are the class size. There's a ratio that's a lot smaller than in a four year university. So you've got the opportunity to get the hands on help that you need and also to, you know, to get to know the professor better. There's also because of the community focus of a community college. It's in the name.

Right? Lots of networking opportunities. So if if a student comes to me or goes to the career center or goes to their adviser and says, I'm interested in doing this, then they can immediately think of someone who could use, you know, who can mentor you, who could connect you with, practice in that area, etcetera. And because community colleges are open enrollment, sometimes they can be a second chance for people. So if you've struggled a bit in high school, maybe your grades aren't where they wanted to be, or maybe there's a particular skill that you need to to practice a little bit more before you go on to that four year college, then it's a great place to do that as well.

Now that being said, it doesn't have to be a second chance. It could be a first chance, but it's a it's an equal opportunity environment that you won't always find in a four year college. There's what we call hidden curriculum that, you know, you go into to college and they expect you to be able to use certain software or know how to navigate certain resources, but there might not be hands on help for how to get to those resources. Whereas in a community college, I find that's always the case. We have an embedded librarian in my course, for example.

So when I say write a research paper, it's not just good luck. See you later. It's let me introduce you to the librarian who's going to take you through the databases and, take you on a tour of all these things so you can find and analyze quality sources. But here's how you do it. So I think there's a lot of advantages, and it's cheaper, by the way.

I was just about to say the biggest thing is ding, ding, ding, dollar signs. It is so, so, so, so much cheaper. I I think it's a good option for those who are looking to go get your four year degree or, at least this has been my personal stance for a while, to get your four year degree or you're going to, you know, you're going to graduate school of some sort. Why spend a whole lot of more money than you need to in the first couple years? And that's been my mentality and and you know, for for a while because I see so many people going to going into debt for college, and I think it's completely unnecessary most of the time.

And I think one of those ways is community college. I agree. And there's a lot of wraparound services in community colleges. We have students who are housing insecure, food insecure, and I'm able to connect them with services pretty much right away at the college. So, you know, sometimes people have care responsibilities at home.

They've got their, you know, they're working part time or even full time and trying to go to school at the same time. But even then, there can be financial stress. So even if the tuition is paid for, they might be struggling in other parts of their life to you know, they might be one flat tire away from dropping out. So we do have a lot of wrap around services to help, provide food, connect them with community services, again, mental health services, etcetera. I I also wanna make note, and I know that you will agree with this statement.

When it comes to those who are looking for four year degrees or graduate school of whatever kind, At the end of the day, when you're going to get a job or you're going to start your career, no one cares where you went the first two years, honestly. They care about, at the end of the day, did you learn stuff and get that piece of paper? You know? Are you able to do what your piece of paper says you can do? They don't really care where you went the first couple years.

So for those who are and I'm I'm speaking to particular people who think that, you know, oh, I must go to an Ivy League school so I can say I have all this status. If you graduate from the Ivy League school, with a bachelor in whatever, you still graduated from there regardless of where you went the first two years. So I'm Exactly. I mean, if you can't afford to go the four the, you know, four year school and have it paid for without coming out with a million dollars in debt, hey. Awesome.

But I I'm a strong believer in that. There are ways around it, and I think community college is one of those ways. That's just my little preacher on there. No. I totally agree.

And I don't work for community college. Well, and there's so many ways to get plugged in. One of the I mean, we just had a big anime event, at the college. That's our biggest club is anime. And it was really fun because there were people that maybe don't see themselves in, like, the science club or the business club or whatever, but they've found community in this little place.

So we've got a lot of cultural events. We've got all kinds of things, and community colleges generally are better at finding ways to include families as well. So at our cultural events, for example, we like to invite people to to bring their kids or bring their their families. I do a big event. I I teach US history, and one of my classes is a food history class, so that I taught primarily because I wanted to have a big, like, fun taste test at the end of the semester.

Food. We all love that. Yes. But it evolved into this really cool multidisciplinary project that I work with, a science professor and English professors and librarians and all kinds of people that we put on this fun event at the end of the year that just grew and grew because the culinary and pastry got involved. And last year, we just had a ton of people, and it started off with you get to talk about, one food, and the history students would research the history, and the science students would talk about the scientific nutritional content, etcetera.

They could be a really cool project. It was so fun, and it was judged, and it was so it's this kind of thing that because community colleges are focused on teaching, these are the kind of fun things that we get to do. Now I I also do research, but research is not my main focus. So if you your professors at a community college are there because their focus is teaching, and they're not gonna be you know, not to say, of course, like, four year university, professors care, but research is something they have to do for their jobs and for their time. So at a community college, the professors are interested in teaching.

They're gonna be a lot more up on pedagogy and andragogy, which is the science of teaching, and they're gonna be employing new methods in ways that you're not gonna see in a lecture hall of 300 students. So Mhmm. It's kind of like a lab for me, and, we get to do a lot of interesting things for that reason. Awesome. Now you are the owner of alteringcourse.com.

Tell us, what is altering course? So I started that, because I wanted to focus on executive function as it pertained to school success. I've been helping students for over twenty years with things like study skills and persevering in college. But when I learned about executive functioning a couple years ago, like I said, that's the brain function that helps you get things done. When I learned about that, I thought, oh, this is this is really bringing everything together.

So I wanted to have this coaching business to help people, like I said, identify the roots of the emotional roots of why they do what they do and to develop systems for them that actually work. Because I found that I was saying, well, there's three learning styles. Which one are you? Now do x y z, and you're fixed. Mhmm.

When it's not that simple. We know now that the the brain is a lot more complex. People are a lot more complex. Mhmm. And it's about finding strategies that work for you, helping people become adaptable so that when the strategy they did think work would work forever doesn't work anymore because they've had a change in their life or environment or whatever, that they can be adaptable in that sense.

So I'm I'm having a lot of fun with it. I do group coaching. I do one on one coaching, and it's it's basically putting everything I know altogether and then throw in the fact that we're a neurodivergent family. I've got a a spouse and a kiddo with ADHD. Mhmm.

So all the executive function that we do at home gets sprinkled in there as well. Oh, okay. So who is Altering course for? So I primarily work with students, but, and that's students of anywhere from middle school up to you know, in the community college setting, I have students who are 60 and 70. So I'll work with any age student.

Mhmm. The sweet spot is kind of people who are either new to college or preparing to go to college, and helping them kind of narrow in and hone in on the skills that they need to work on in order to be successful. Like I said, procrastination is a big one, but there could be others that are really big. And oftentimes, they can tell me, well, I struggle with, with time management. But they they don't know what part of time management they struggle with or why.

So it's primarily, like I said, for students, but I've also found myself working with parents as well, particularly of neurodivergent students who just want some help kind of understanding how their kiddos' brain works and how they can support them, and that's been really rewarding as well. Okay. Well, I think it's great that you you started something for the in between place that I think a lot of people actually are. You know, trying to navigate I think trying to navigate college is hard, especially if you are coming it depends on where you're coming from as well. But if you haven't had any college training at home, I'm gonna call it that, it's I think it's difficult to be just all of a sudden thrown into this world that is totally different from high school.

Totally. It depends on the high school you went to because some high schools do a good job of preparing you for it. Many do not. And they just give you this this, you know, required amount of information and then send you out the door. Every, you know, high school in America is not the same, but I know that that's true for many.

Right? Well yeah. And I think that part of the shock of college is that the executive function if if you're looking at it like a 19 year old or an 18 year old or even a 22 year old whose frontal cortex of their brain is not, fully formed, you're asking them to perform executive function that their brain is not able to do. So in other words, they're being asked to handle a level of tasks that they're not actually able to perform. So that's one of the reasons why in my coaching business and as a professor, I focus on this is how you navigate resources.

You might not know what I remember when I started college that, someone kept saying, you need to go to the bursar's office, and I was like, the what? And it took me, like, months to figure out that was where I went and paid my tuition. You know? Or, like so I was like, why not just call the business office? But it might not it might be called something weird, and you have to figure it out.

But that's the curiosity and the task initiation of starting the process of getting the help and going and figuring out things that are new. Because change can be scary, particularly, for neurodivergent folks when you've been used to your schedule is totally planned out for you. Like, you've had some input maybe in high school, but then when you get to college, you have a lot of input, and you kind of just hope you made the right decision. And then, you know, your class is in one building, and then you've got ten minutes between, and you gotta run to the next one and hope that you make it. And if your last professor runs late, then, you know, things like that that have, you know, more of a knock on consequence than they do in high school.

And it's being able to persevere through those changes and through those obstacles that really separate people, because some people think, well, I'm not book smart. I'm not, you know, whatever all these negative things they might say about themselves. Right. But the ones who persevere are the ones who make it, and the ones who don't have the grit, I I don't know how we feel about that word anymore, but the ones who don't have the perseverance are gonna be the ones who struggle. And just because you fail one course doesn't mean that you failed everything.

You can take it again. You can keep going. Failure's part of life, and that's another great thing you need to learn in college. Experiment, try new things, and you'll be rewarded for it. But it will feel scary, and you'll feel like you don't have your feet on the ground sometimes.

So find a good mentor. Find a good, peer group because that makes a huge difference. Yes. So what I'm gonna pull out of that what I'm what I'm what I'm pulling out of that is it's important to make sure that we have support when we're going into something new like that. Absolutely.

Going from high school to college. It's a big to me, one of the biggest transitions in your life. And if you don't have the right support, it's it's harder to navigate and easier to give up, which is what we see a lot of people do. You know? There's a lot of college debt out there, because of people that didn't finish school.

And I wanna see everybody finish what they start. And I know that that's not a reality, but I'd like to see it as much of a reality as possible. So you you you started altering course because you saw a need. You saw that there was a a disconnect between, you know, some students and their own success. Just like I started this podcast because I saw a disconnect between youth and the adults who work with them or supposed to be creating things for them.

And I think it's great that you started that, that you started that. Can you give us one example of someone that's been helped by, altering course? Sure. I can think about someone I worked with who was really struggling because they tried to always do the hardest thing first and finish it before they would move on with anything else, which in theory is not a terrible idea. But what it can mean is that you're starting with the most frustrating thing.

You're getting more frustrated because it's hard, and then you're not able to move on. So what I suggested to them is that they start with that if they wanted to, but they set a time limit. They give themself a little reward, whether that's, you know, like a walk around the room for five minutes or something, and then to alternate it with something that didn't take up so much brain function. Because what we know about the brain is that it loves dopamine, which is the sort of feel good hormone, that releases, like, when you you, check something off of your to do list, right, that releases dopamine. But without that, the brain has a hard time moving.

So when I worked with them, it was showing them how they could sort of alternate, how they could dopamine hack is what I call it. And the, you know, it's it's difficult to make changes like this because, you know you know, from working with people that you'll suggest all these wonderful things, and they won't do anything in the beginning. Change is hard, like you said earlier. It's really hard. And so it took a couple weeks, but they they did try it and then, you know, decided, oh, wait.

This actually works, and my day is going better, and it's more efficient. And, so I said your brain needed to know that this could have a positive impact before you were ready to do it to do anymore else. Right? And then it was kind of a snowball effect of, like, okay. So so doctor Keith did have some good suggestions and, and more importantly, that it worked for them.

Right? And then they were they were ready to kind of employ something else. So that's one thing I really wanna focus on in my coaching is the small wins, because it's really easy for me from my vantage point to say, well, just change all these things, and you'll be fine. But it's not about me. It's about how they can navigate and instigate their own change and keep it going.

I wanna add a a side comment to what, what you just said. And I'm talking to the audience right now. What doctor Kerherly just said what I pulled out of that is she helped build their confidence. She figured out a way to build their confidence. And I can tell you right now, whatever you're not confident in, try.

Because it's when we start doing things in those tiny little victories, and they could be what what, you know, what some would consider the stupidest, littlest thing. But they make they're not stupid because they make a difference for you and they build your confidence. When you build your confidence, you build your competence, and that is huge. And sometimes people are wondering walking around feeling dumb, not because they actually are dumb, but they simply don't have the confidence to move forward in what they need to do. And that lack of confidence makes it seem like you have no confidence, but you really just gotta try.

And sometimes you need someone like doctor Kerherly or a therapist or whoever it is for you to help you get there. You know? I just think that's so important to point that out that the lack of confidence is sometimes the root of the issue and not your stupidity or your brainpower. You know? Because there's a I'm talking to the people who actually feel that way because there's a lot that feel that way, and I know that.

You know? You were gonna say something else? Well, I was just gonna say sometimes we feel like we don't deserve for things to be easier because, you know, for me, it was always math. It was like, math is hard for me. I don't deserve for it to to go better.

But that's not the case. If you think about, because this is what students and my clients say a lot is like, I'm not good at this. You know? We've talked about mindset and how you have to tell your brain that that actually you are fine with this, and then you gotta trick it into into moving forward. But you do deserve for your day to be easier.

You do deserve to be more efficient in your time. You deserve all these things, and you have to start believing that. And if you need to, trick your brain into it because it just needs to get on board. I used to do math tutoring and, something that I would do I don't know if I said this on the air before. I may have.

But something that I would do with my, math students, you know, you hear all the time. Oh my god. I hate math. So terrible, and I hate math. I hate math.

But one of the reasons they hate math is because they just don't think mathematically, and I get that. I'm a mathematical thinker. The way algebra works is the way my brain works. I take things apart and put them back together. That's part of what I do as a mind shifter.

So for me, algebra in particular is easy. But when I was teaching math, I understand that they don't have my brain. So I would figure out how they think, and then I would, you know, take the way they think, and I would utilize that. I would use what they the way they currently think and get them to understand a mathematical concept. Once they understood the concept, then we could talk about what this equation is called and what those labels are.

But I didn't talk about the labels. I talked about the content, and then I added the labels. And then next thing you know, they're figuring out this mad, long, crazy equation that they thought was bigger than the world. And they're like, wait a minute. I just finished that.

Yeah. Because you can. So when when when when you break things down, and I and and to me, that's what you do. When you break things down for people to understand, it's another way of building their confidence and and letting them see that they can do this. And for you for you guys out there listening, sometimes you just have to try.

That's what I meant when I said earlier. You just have to try, and you will find out that you can do more than you think you can. Because as soon as you you know, just like the old old saying, the engine that thought he couldn't, well, he didn't. You know? And and that might be why you not either because you because you keep telling yourself you can't, and we have to stop lying to ourselves.

And I think she brought out a really good point. And and I've and I and it touched me because that is something I have personally been guilty of, believing that we're not worth it or believing that I don't deserve. You know? I don't deserve for this to be easy. We don't just you know?

And and I know it's not just me, and I know there's a lot of people out there. May not even be self aware that they think that way, and I think it's important to point that out, you know, to point that out as well. Back to that emotional awareness piece. Yes. And it's it's really a big deal in life.

It's you know, I'm constantly talking about therapy on the show because I think it's critical to every single part of our lives, personal and professional. And this is not we're not talking about therapy, but to me, it's related when you start talking about emotional intelligence. One last thing before you go. What is your top advice before, for seniors in high school right now? My top advice is you can easily find someone to help you write the perfect essay or study for the SAT or even guide you to good colleges, but you need to find a mentor that can help you with your executive function.

Because all that other stuff doesn't really matter if you can't manage your time or if you can't, remember tasks, if you can't focus, if you can't plan. So, I actually used to teach SAT prep or ACT prep, sorry, for a whole year, And I did it, like, embedded in a high school. And it's one of the reasons I started my company because I thought this is all I'm doing is teaching them sort of how to take a test, but a lot of them need the building blocks of planning and studying and the mental flexibility of, you know, working through math problems and whatever. So that's that's my top tip is that there are a lot of great people out there that can help you with those other things, but find a mentor that can help you with executive function skills. And if you can't find a mentor, then go down a YouTube rabbit hole with some, you know, reputable people and get some some good tips on how to manage those skills.

Amen. I I'm that's beautiful advice. I completely agree. And with that, I will say one little saying. Your education I just lost it.

I just had it. What was it? Yes. It's not your education that makes you successful. It's your usage of it.

And your executive functions are what's gonna bring you there. Yep. So how can they find you? Alteringcourse.com is the best place to look for me. All my socials are there.

I read and answer every email that I get. So send me a message. Find me on socials, but that's alteringcourse.com. And there, if you go to the freebie section, I've got a free infographic about college prep and all the executive function skills that well, not all, but the the major categories of executive function skills there for you to download for free. And that's great because then they could see more specifically.

But we couldn't go over every, you know, executive function today. We'll be here for forever. It's good. Right? But it's good for them to see more specifically what what some of those are besides the ones that we talked about.

Well, doctor Kerherley, thank you so much for coming on today, and I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to our audience. Thank you so much. It was a blast. And now for a mind shifting moment. I wanna take a moment to plant a thought seed in your head today.

We talked about a lot of things today and we talked about executive function. And I think that is so important. Are there things that you keep doing over and over again in your life or results that you keep getting over and over again in life? Why? I want you to really take a moment to think and examine why.

Why do I keep procrastinating? Why do I keep having this same issue on every job I go on? Why? And if you take a look at the why with honesty and you're willing to put your pride aside and allow yourself to see where the problem lies, you might be able to fix it. So I want you to think today in the areas of your life that you consistently see the same problems.

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