Restaurant Leadership Podcast: Overcome Burnout, Embrace Freedom, and Drive Growth
Welcome to the Restaurant Leadership Podcast, the show that teaches you how to overcome burnout, embrace freedom, and drive growth
Your host, Christin Marvin, of Solutions by Christin.
With over two decades of extensive experience in hospitality leadership, Christin Marvin has successfully managed a diverse range of concepts, encompassing fine dining and high-volume brunch.
She has now established her own coaching and consulting firm, collaborating with organizations to accelerate internal leadership development to increase retention and thrive.
Each week, Christin brings you content and conversation to make you a more effective leader.
This includes tips, tricks and REAL stories from REAL people that have inspired her-discussing their successes, challenges and personal transformation.
This podcast is a community of support to inspire YOU on YOUR unique leadership journey.
This podcast will help you answer the following questions:
1. How do I increase my confidence?
2. How do I accelerate my leadership?
3. How do I lower my stress as a leader?
4. How do I prevent burnout?
5. How do I improve my mental health?
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Restaurant Leadership Podcast: Overcome Burnout, Embrace Freedom, and Drive Growth
72: A Coaching Session Just for You
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Your internal critic is holding you back from achieving an extraordinary life.
Join us as we turn the spotlight on Michael Jesse, the visionary owner of the Curiosity Center, to uncover his fascinating insights into the realms of creativity, innovation, and leadership. Our engaging session takes an unexpected twist as Michael faces his own coaching tools, shedding light on the pivotal role a coach can play in identifying blind spots and keeping us focused amidst life's distractions. Together, we unravel the mysteries of creative leadership and business innovation, while confronting the daunting challenge of self-imposed limitations and the powerful weapon of self-awareness. I'd invite you to listen to this episode and identify moments or insight or shifts in perspective you can apply to your own life and business.
I'd like to take a moment and shoutout Restaurant Technologies for sponsoring this show and supporting the restaurant industry. Their innovative solutions, like automated oil management and hood cleaning systems, help restaurants save time, reduce risks, and operate more efficiently, allowing owners to focus on delivering exceptional dining experiences. Learn more at https://go.rti-inc.com/RestaurantLeadershipPodcast
Chapters:
0:08 - Coaching for Creativity and Innovation
15:43 - Escaping the Cage of Self-Doubt
25:32 - Embracing Change Through Metaphors
35:25 - Reflecting and Gratitude in Self-Discovery
Ever feel like you're stuck in a cage of self-doubt, constantly grappling with the pressure to make a significant impact? Our conversation dives into the roots of this struggle, examining how early life experiences and parental expectations can wield an overbearing influence on our beliefs and actions. We discuss the relentless pursuit of an extraordinary life, often overshadowed by the critical internal 'judge' that once served a purpose but now hinders progress. Through mutual exploration, we redefine what it means to lead an extraordinary life by acknowledging past achievements and balancing ambition with contentment.
Prepare to reimagine your limiting beliefs through the power of metaphors. Inspired by Richard Branson's audacious journey, we explore the liberating process of viewing outdated beliefs as toys in a box, remnants of past growth ready to be released. Our episode culminates in a heartening reflection on self-awareness and gratitude, encouraging a reconnection with past clients and colleagues to appreciate the positive impacts we've made. By embracing shared experiences and mutual support within the coaching community, we unlock the true potential for personal transformation and fulfillment.
Resources:
Michael Jesse
Restaurant Technologies
The Hospitality Leader's Roadmap: Move from Ordinary to Extraordinary
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today I'm coaching michael jesse and you're gonna see me have some fun with the tools that he uses. He simply lays out some beautiful metaphors and analogies and tools that he's using with his clients and I just turn the tables on him and I don't know that he knows it in the moment, but we joke about it at the end of the session because, again, it's rare that we slow down and really invest in ourselves as coaches and this is just a really fun, playful, impactful episode and super efficient. We got this done in about 30 minutes, which I love, these little short sessions. So hope you get a ton of value out of this and here's the episode for you.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the Restaurant Leadership Podcast, the show where restaurant leaders learn tools, tactics and habits from the world's greatest operators. I'm your host, kristen Marvin, with Solutions by Kristen. I've spent the last two decades in the restaurant industry and now partner with restaurant owners to develop their leaders and scale their businesses through powerful one-on-one coaching, group coaching and leadership workshops. This show is complete with episodes around coaching, leadership development and interviews with powerful industry leaders. You can now engage with me on the show and share topics you'd like to hear about leadership, lessons you want to learn and any feedback you have. Simply click the link at the top of the show notes and I will give you a shout out on a future episode. Thanks so much for listening and I look forward to connecting on a future episode. Thanks so much for listening and I look forward to connecting.
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Speaker 1:Michael, welcome to the show, so excited to have you today. I love coaching coaches. It's just such a fun, awesome experience. I think everybody should have a coach. I love coaching coaches. It's just such a fun, awesome experience. I think everybody should have a coach. I don't know if you agree with that statement or not.
Speaker 2:I have three of my own, so yes, Perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's just having a coach and being a coach is so important. It just really helps for me anyway. It helps me identify my blind spots so I can make sure that I'm showing up as I want to every single time for my clients and cause. Life gets in the way, and trying to manage a business gets in the way too, right. So it helps kind of keep me focused instead of being preoccupied on on the other things that are going on in life. So, love that you're here. Would you kick us off? We're going to, we're going to jump into a coaching session, which I'm super excited about, but before that, would you just give the listeners a little bit of insight into who you are and what you do?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my name is Michael and I'm the owner of Curiosity Center, which started out as a learning center about creativity and innovation and how that process works actually in your brain, and so I dig into a lot of the science and neuroscience behind that. How I apply it is leadership development, like how do we become creative leaders and then how, if you're a business owner, innovate a product, or how do you work in a way where you see opportunities, working with customers? So that's what I really focus on.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love it. And how can people get ahold of you if they want to connect?
Speaker 2:I love that. I love it. And how can people get a hold?
Speaker 1:of you. If they want to connect, they can find me at curiositycenternet. Perfect, I love it. Curiositycenternet Super easy. Okay, we're going to jump into some coaching now. Is there anything that you need from me or anything that you'd like to design before we start?
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of the things I often need and I love asking this to my coaches is please call out my BS when you see it so I can. When I get into these sessions, I can call out a whole bunch of excuses and complain, and sometimes I am self-aware that I'm doing it, but it's nice to have that little reminder like oh no, I can hear that little like saboteur talking in your head.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I love it. We are speaking the same language. My friend, I love that. I'd call it a tough love approach, but yeah, if I see you standing in your way, I'm going to call that out, so absolutely.
Speaker 2:Good.
Speaker 1:Love it.
Speaker 2:OK, what would make this an extraordinary conversation for you today? One of the breakthroughs that I'm still working on myself so is the it's that belief of not good enough, right. However, I have learned along the way life expectations or purpose is different for everybody, and that's kind of what I'm looking for is, once in a while, I forget maybe what I'm here to help people with, and it's just because a lot of people say, oh, Michael, you're so patient, and to me that's not a superpower. They're like oh, it absolutely is. So that's what I'm looking for is kind of keeping up with that idea that, yes, there is something for me to do and I can help people.
Speaker 1:What is your mission?
Speaker 2:My mission is to help people figure things out, but again, because I can use the science behind creativity. What I see people get stuck with is like I don't know how to, or they feel trapped, or they feel like they're in this cage and can't break away, where, for me, I honestly have never really had that feeling. So what I help people with is to really understand that taking in new information is going to be helpful, like the difference between a breadth of knowledge and mastering, and then how to apply that in whatever situation you are. So I do have a friend. He works in a peripheral thinking world, which is not the same as lateral thinking. So you're going to hear me have these conversations about convergent thinking, divergent thinking. So it's just the idea that someone else in a different place is literally going through the same thing you are, and now you just have to understand that. How can I reach out and find these people to help me get through the same thing?
Speaker 1:You're so technical and you're so scientific is awesome, but you just did a really great job of breaking that down. You had mentioned that you help people break out of their cages yes how do you do that?
Speaker 2:understanding what does the cage actually look like? Where did it come from? And I often hear people like if they're experiencing either a struggle or even sometimes trauma, that they just have to get through it. I work in a situation where you may not need to. How could you go around it? So again, I think more three-dimensional than 2D Like do I need to go over under around the situation just so I can let go? And that is what I help people do is let go of the cage. You don't need to be carrying it.
Speaker 1:There's really no need to anymore, you said that you've never been locked in a cage.
Speaker 2:I have never thought I was in a cage. And so when I hear people like, oh, I've been stuck with this situation for the past three months, I'm like wow, that's got to be awful. Like, what is that like? So, yeah, I feel like, because I grew up always wanting to learn, like I love reading books, I love watching documentaries, I am that weird type of kid who just wants to take it all in, and I even love when it's that type of information where you know, hey, we're going to eat eggs today Cause it's good for you. No, don't eat eggs today because it's bad for you. So I even love, you know, listening to the comparisons like what's working, what's not working.
Speaker 2:And so for me, because I feel like I've done so much of that, I can always look at a situation like oh, this reminds me when I was bike riding, this happened. Or hey, when I was a software engineer, this happened. Or again, when I was the bar manager, this happened. So I am grateful for the experiences I've had to help people understand well, what if, right, you were this type of person, what if you were an orator? What if you were a leader? What if right, and so the what ifs opens up the mind to new ideas and possibilities.
Speaker 1:What if you were someone that you could believe in as being enough? What if you?
Speaker 2:were someone that you could believe in as being enough. Wow, that's an interesting question. What, if I could feel I was being enough? My confidence level would be so high, like if you can think like confidence as rating any energy, like having something as big as the star, like our sun, would be awesome, right, like just being able to pour out that much light would be fantastic.
Speaker 1:Let's play with a sun metaphor a little bit. Love this pouring out light. Tell me what colors the sun. How high is the sun? What's the sun doing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll just keep to the yellow sun that we have and it's. It's interesting because if you look at the sun, it kind of flares and it has these kinds of feathery moments. Yeah, so that's kind of what I'm thinking in my mind.
Speaker 1:What? Who are you as the sun?
Speaker 2:The word possibility immediately happened in my mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Say more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, say, more things work out on different things. So, yeah, the opportunity to meet new people, opportunities to again try new things. So that's what's come to mind for me when I think of the sun. I think of the morning. I do want to work on what does it look like when the sun sets? And so for me, during my evening routine actually is really reflecting on the day. Right, what did I get to do?
Speaker 2:The word alchemist now comes to mind, because that's kind of what I feel like is I experimented, I tried to mix up a few different things and here's the results of it. But it's one of those things where I have not done this work, where I do an experiment for the day and I share the results. I write it down, but I have never shared it. I think that's something that for me, coming back to the good enough is something I probably need to do more often is because I think, once people understand like, hey, I'm struggling with this and this is what I'm working through and here's some of the great outcomes I've had when I've gone through another challenge that maybe somebody else has gone through. So, yeah, I'm liking this like morning experiment and then in the evening kind of reflect and review.
Speaker 1:It's interesting with the sun right, because we have we have the most gorgeous sunrises and sunsets in Tucson and so I wait for them every day. It's just gorgeous, but in the morning the sun's not enough. Right, as it starts to rise, the parts where the sun isn't shining is cold and the parts where the sun is shining is a little bit warmer and more inviting and more comfortable. Right, and then you go through this progression. The sun goes through this progression throughout the day where it's constantly in motion, constantly moving, and then there's a point where it's just shining as brightly as it possibly can, right, and it's just providing value and and, like you mentioned earlier, pouring that sunlight over a huge population and a large land mass, and then it starts to decrease right and set throughout the day and then eventually goes away for a while and it repeats that same cycle every single day, but it shows up really consistently. What's resonating?
Speaker 2:for you when I say that. A story that someone had once told me. You don't always have to be on all the time, and what I mean by that is just because, from 8 am to 8 pm, I'm not, you know, making the impact I want throughout all 12 hours. One, one minute is good enough, right, like if you could highlight one thing for that day, that is good enough, and so I'm glad that you mentioned that, because, again, we're coming back to the good enough part.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, it is for me a good reminder Like I don't always have to be. Yeah, it is for me a good reminder Like I don't always have to be. You know, always make an impact, always like helping people, always trying to reach out more, always. So the always seems to be the thing that I get caught up with a lot, because sometimes again not feeling like enough, I'm not doing enough, but then it does come into like if I can make one person smile. Today I've done this experiment.
Speaker 2:Once you go to a grocery store, you kind of shot up somebody, like it could literally be like I did this with, um, chicken fingers once. So I was like, hey, why did you pick that one? And so we just got into a conversation. I learned so much about that person and I'm sure that person was like I didn't go to the grocery store to have a conversation, but you know, this is kind of cool. So, yeah, it's uh, it's interesting that we are talking about. You know, in the morning you're just starting, you're not having to light up everything. Then you have that peak moment and then, yeah, you get to kind of rest a little bit and then start up a new day.
Speaker 1:When you said you had this. You want to break through this belief of not being good enough. Are you talking about in life or in business, or both?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't separate work life. To me it's just life. My life just right now happens to be in a role where I'm a business owner. So I think for me it is life in general. And I know kind of when it started, when a parent chose to continue telling me that even though I got straight A pluses on a report card for a year, it wasn't enough. I know that was the trigger pluses on a report card for a year, it wasn't enough. I know that was the trigger and in my mind it's like what could you possibly do? That's greater than this. And I think that's been trapped in my mind ever since.
Speaker 1:What does life look like for you if you can let go of that moment?
Speaker 2:freeing, obviously, and I think it removes a lid I've always had of I don't know enough, maybe I'm not doing enough, and it can be exhausting, actually having the not good enough belief it could drain me. I have days, days where for two days I just will not do anything because I am that tired Not necessarily burnout, but just mentally exhausted of what else could I do. So again, going back to creativity as like, okay, what am I not getting to do? What trap or what cage did I put myself in now? Getting to do? What trap or what cage did I put myself in now? So yeah, it's interesting that I could just even free myself sometimes from that cage.
Speaker 1:That parental figure at that time sounds like your judge. You mentioned saboteurs earlier, so I know you know what I'm talking about right now. Why is the judge there for you?
Speaker 2:I've always heard the story behind never be satisfied and that came up as well and at the time I thought that was a good belief or value to have Now going back and thinking about it, to have Now going back and thinking about it.
Speaker 2:There is a value behind not I won't say not good enough the settling, like I do understand like just staying in comfort doesn't isn't a great place to be either, but always striving to the point of exhaustion isn't a great place to be either, but always striving to the point of exhaustion isn't a great place either. So I think for me, just the not settling or don't be satisfied is a depends on how it's used, I guess, um, if, like, I see peak athletes sometimes and I just talked to another coach who is an athletic coach and he's literally works with athletes who build themselves up so much as far as expectations to where they will make a small mistake, but critical enough to like make it, so they can't work out for an entire week Like just one small mistake, and I feel like I get that sometimes Like I feel like, wow, I expect so much, and if I make this one mistake, I'm crippled again. Now I'm trapped again.
Speaker 1:So what is the judge protecting you from?
Speaker 2:That is a great question. I never thought of it that way. I think the judge wants to protect me from the word the boring life came up, so that was kind of interesting. Um, no, I. I think the judge simply wants to explore my full human potential. Right Again, going back to never being satisfied. What could you do? And that's the one thing I do like, is I? I look at you know great innovators, great scientific discoveries. It's so amazing that when you work at a certain mastery level, you can come up with so many amazing things. But I think what it's protecting me from is an ordinary life. What would an extraordinary life be if you were to just keep going?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the judge is there to protect you in your childhood, to make sure you don't get stagnant, to keep you moving, to keep you moving forward, to keep you driven, keep you hungry. The problem with the judge and the saboteur the other saboteurs, right, because we know the judge is the master saboteur is they're still with us in adulthood and we no longer need them, but they're always a part of your journey because they are a part of you and who you are and what you're made of. What would you like to say to the judge when the judge shows up?
Speaker 2:Honestly, that's a great point because I have to actually look back where I was when I was a child and where I am now. I got to make six figures in a job. I was able to lead four teams I was able to build. This is like my third business. So it's amazing that I've gotten this far. And basically to look out, like you know who else is doing this, and find out not many people do this at all it's like, well, this is kind of weird. So again, it kind of plays into me like, oh well, this is kind of normal, right? So if I can do it, anybody else could do it.
Speaker 2:Because, again, I grew up. I grew up in a cherry farm of a population of fifteen hundred people. Like there wasn't much to expect, right. But to go from that to where I am now, having lived in different states, having opportunities to work with big companies, work with teams, being in front of people on stages, it's been pretty incredible. So, yeah, if I have to reflect back over my entire lifetime, I did not expect this at all. Like I'm well beyond what I expected.
Speaker 1:Growing up on a cherry farm to now being on stages starting your third company, making six figures at one point, managing four teams. This constant thirst. Again, if you can't see this right now, listeners, michael's got this amazing colorful bookshelf behind him of all this knowledge, all this thirst, all this curiosity and all these different ways to play and to experiment with your business, on a journey to living an extraordinary life.
Speaker 2:Yeah life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the cage is here in front of us right now. Do?
Speaker 2:you need to go around it or above it. I need to go around it. I do understand that going through it, I think, is just going to stop me from exploring. So I do like this idea that going around it and seeing from a different perspective like, as we both know, perspectives matters in life. So I need to spend today literally looking at where I'm at literally from a different perspective.
Speaker 1:So yeah, you go around the cage. Hi everybody, we're taking a quick break to offer you an exciting opportunity If you're a restaurant owner or manager looking to enhance your leadership skills, I invite you to join my 12-day leadership challenge, I think on the other side.
Speaker 2:it's kind of cool that I can envision this already. On the other side is a group of people who have a need. I see the people who I've already helped and building that community and that is the reason why I built Curiosity Center was to actually have that those who are struggling and meeting up with those who've actually gone through it. So yeah, on that other side is the community building that I want to build.
Speaker 1:What's the path forward here for you? Path forward here for you.
Speaker 2:You know, now that I'm on the other side, I'm going to use this analogy it's no longer a cage that I'm in, but it does feel like an anchor that's still holding me back. So it's interesting that another time that we probably should have this conversation is how to get rid of the anchor, cause I feel like it's like we play this back and forth, like all of a sudden I'm in the cage, then it becomes an anchor and it's literally back and forth. So it's interesting that this pattern keeps showing up every once in a while.
Speaker 1:You're looking at the cage through the perspective of it's holding you back or trapping you. What's something you could do to shift your perspective on the cage?
Speaker 2:the thing that actually came to mind. It's uh, I turned it into a toy box and I put all of my bad toys in it. So it's kind of like one of those. Hey, uh, this used to serve you but you want to like, like, get rid of it and put it in this little toy box and put it away finally. So that's how it comes to mind. I think of it now. If it is a cage, it's a toy box with all of the beliefs I used to have that really don't serve me now.
Speaker 1:And how did those beliefs help you get to where you're at today?
Speaker 2:That is. That is a good thing to remember is it was helpful. It got me to learn something else that was valuable, and so it's great to have as a reminder like in a back corner somewhere, maybe in the garage that it got me to here, but it itself wasn't the thing that got me here, so I know that was kind of vague. It's like it's shown a light in a direction where I went down. It found out I didn't like it turned around and didn't want to go down that path anymore. So that's what I think of those is. It was just a way to learn what isn't working.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it sounds like the the cage is holding some beliefs for you at a certain point in time. As a scientist, you are testing some hypotheses right, Seeing what works, seeing what doesn't work, leaning into and learning from the ones that work and then tossing the ones that don't into your toy box.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was just watching this documentary last night. So funny that we got to this point. It was the conversation of confidence and that you actually don't make any wrong decisions, like we have this judgment of ourselves oh the right decision, the wrong decisions, the wrong decisions could be fatal. Right, and it was this conversation that your confidence grows only when you have bad decisions. But it's not a bad decision. It's just something that worked for you, that you wanted to try. It didn't work out, but now you know what one thing not to do anymore versus never knowing it even existed. So it's great to know that there really is no wrong decisions. You just tried something. It didn't work for you. You can try to find something else.
Speaker 1:Who are you comparing yourself to?
Speaker 2:Oh goodness, when I started this journey, it really was, I believe, my parents' expectations of what I should be. Right, it's kind of how it starts, I think. Now, having been where I am, I have looked at others through inspiration and aspiration, like I'll use Richard Branson example, like it haven't read his books. It's kind of amazing that someone with dyslexia, who really didn't know what he was doing other than he loved rock and roll, have built this you know version group company that does such amazing stuff. And again, he will self-admit I am not the smartest person on the planet, I just like experimenting. So he has a book called Screw it, let's Do it. I love that belief, love it, love it, love it. So if anybody gets that book, please, you'll find it super amazing, but it is. It's just he didn't expect it to happen either. It just happened. But what he did want to do is serve customers in a much greater way. That's the goal of Virgin Group actually is better customer service, and look where it's taken them.
Speaker 2:So and you are wanting to serve people in a powerful way by helping them break free of their cages and think really creatively yeah, and maybe what I'm pushing for me is that expectation of if he could do it, I could do it, which is good again aspiration, but what if I don't? Right? There's always that nagging person in the back of the head. It's like do you really belong there? Are you the right person?
Speaker 1:What would life look like if you let go of the expectation?
Speaker 2:It would be freeing. I can look back and actually say I've made a big impact on people's lives already. Say I've made a big impact on people's lives already. I have people who I worked with eight years ago reach out to me saying, hey, remember when you taught me this thing? I use it still today, like that's amazing, right. So I think it would just be freeing that if I just let go of expectation and just be the best at who I can be. Who knows where I could go right Now it's nice to have a goal, but who knows where this journey will take me?
Speaker 1:Are you staying in contact with your former clients and coworkers?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to challenge you, if you haven't done this recently, to connect with them in a conversation Maybe it's once a week and ask them to highlight a moment that made an impact, where you made an impact in their life. And feel free to negotiate or counter.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, yeah, yeah, I could easily do that.
Speaker 1:What's well, before we end, I will say Michael, you again. This, this story of growing up on a cherry farm, getting straight A's, working really hard, pushing yourself. Are you an only child?
Speaker 2:No, I have one sister.
Speaker 1:Okay. Building companies over and over and over, managing groups and groups of people, getting yourself in a position of making six figures, this constant thirst for knowledge and curiosity and experimentation. You're extraordinary. You're already living an extraordinary life. You are one of one, my friend. You are incredibly unique.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that. I sometimes need that reminder and self-reflection.
Speaker 1:Yes, what's your biggest takeaway from the conversation today?
Speaker 2:the biggest takeaway actually was the analogy, or the image of the sun, because that's brand new for me. Um, like I had mentioned, the cage and the anchor does, because that's brand new for me. Like I had mentioned, the cage and the anchor does seem to be a pattern that does show up. But now, looking at light, looking at the sunrise, sunset, the peak moment, that was the greatest takeaway is I again, I don't have to be always on when I reached that peak, that's when I'm at my greatest. And this snow, like sunsets, sunrises. So it's a nice circle.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Is there a way that you can capture that peak every day?
Speaker 2:You know, uh, what I want to do is uh, I'm going to try to do this. Uh, get a video, obviously like where I am. I'm over by Mount lemon and rincon mountain. So when the sun rises, I really want to be at a point where I can do like a what is it? The the fast motion or the time lapse video of a sunrise, just as a reminder, just to put on my monitor, just like this is how I'm going to start my day and obviously swing around during the evening and then watch the sunset. Do that same thing, because I think that would just help me to let go of that. Always on is, when you wake up, you're not going to be a hundred percent in. Definitely, when it's sunset you're not going to be a hundred percent, but how well you can take care of that during the time of sunrise, peak sunset, would be amazing. It's just a reminder actually.
Speaker 1:I love that. Will you share that photo with me or that video?
Speaker 2:Absolutely yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, I love it. Can't wait to see it. Michael, thank you so much for this time. Really really appreciate you diving in and playing around with some different metaphors.
Speaker 2:I appreciate your perspectives on this and help me look at it from a different way and coming up with a new strategy of how this cage anchor kind of works for me right now.
Speaker 1:It's so interesting in coaching that so often the tools that we use for our clients are the tools that we need to use on ourselves, right? So that's all I was doing with you today. You were throwing out everything you're doing, all the science, all the methodology that you're using with your clients, just taking a second, turning that mirror to you and having you reflect on where you're at, because we don't do that very often, or often enough for ourselves.
Speaker 2:And it's so interesting that, again, you and I both know, as a coach, we have our own blind spots and it's so easy to just like miss it. And so when you helped me walk through, you know what was it like? What does it mean? What's it look like on the other side? It's like oh yeah, I should be asking these by itself, so, but it's great to see something that you see, because, again, I have that weird blind spot every once in a while yeah, absolutely all right, my friend.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you so much for your time. We cannot wait for that video and I can't wait to continue to follow your journey in town. You've been just a tremendous. You've made a huge impact on me. You, since we've met, you've just been so giving and supportive and I'm grateful for you and that's your, that's your highlight today. You don't have to call me and you know to hear that, but I just am really grateful and I can't thank you enough for showing up today the way that you did. So thank you.
Speaker 2:All right everybody.
Speaker 1:That's going to do it for us. Please share this episode with anyone that you know that could benefit, and we will talk to you soon.
