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How to be a “girls girl” w/ Taty Cokley
Join the slumber party with us and our special guest Taty Cokley as we talk about her experiences and what shaped her into the YouTube sensation and self-confidence coach she is today. We talk about the struggles of womanhood, our first kiss stories, periods, and the challenge of finding the right doctor.
We talk about personal growth, emphasizing the importance of self-reflection and the courage to leave behind friendships that no longer serve us. Navigating awkward social situations, managing toxic friendships, and venturing into new experiences. Through all these, we hope to inspire listeners to become more comfortable with themselves and embrace the journey of personal growth. This episode is a testament to the power of self-confidence and the beauty of womanhood.
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Removing my thoughts about will a man want me like? Will I want a man, you know like? Yeah, I started switching it for myself and just being a little delulu for like real.
Speaker 2:Do you know I was?
Speaker 1:a little delulu, like as long as I keep telling myself this, one day I'm going to feel it, and then one day I just felt it. You're listening to big sis energy.
Speaker 2:Welcome back to big sis energy. I'm your host, mackenzie, and I'm your other host, malia, and today we have a very special guest. Youtube sensation confidence in relationship coach, miss Tati Coakley.
Speaker 1:You're so nervous, don't be a girl, I'm such an intro.
Speaker 2:So excited for today's episode. Cause we're going to get into something oh we, we getting into it, we like jump into it right now.
Speaker 1:Should we, let's start with, I'm like, okay, we got we got a question.
Speaker 2:This is actually from kind of Malia and I Okay, when did you discover your personal self confidence, ooh girl.
Speaker 1:How long do we have? Okay, so boom, was super insecure growing up. Actually, let me really back as a little little girl, little cocky little girl, you know what I mean. And my mom's very like love you mom. But like very Christian arrived, like very was putting me in crop top.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like it was so cute, I loved myself. Then I went to school, like school, school, and I was in a super, super white area and so I felt like the sore thumb. It was like okay, wait, baby, I'm not as cute as that Relatable.
Speaker 2:Cause. None of the boys. None of the boys. You know what I mean. They were feeling me.
Speaker 1:We know that a little well, you know, and even in like, even like first grade like they were all having like relationships, like little boyfriends and stuff, and I was like where's mine?
Speaker 2:You know what? When's my moment?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's when it started to hit me and I was like okay, maybe I'm going to as cute as I thought. And then I was crushing, and then I got older and then, like life hit you know. And so a long sappy story short, I was misdiagnosed with premature ovarian failure. And so when which is basically like your ovaries just is not messing with you like they don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 1:So they told me like, oh, you're not going to be able to have kids and all this stuff, and that really like shook me because I was 13. I'm like girl, what.
Speaker 2:You know I was like any age you are and you know especially I felt like I was 13, going on 30.
Speaker 1:I was like what? Like I came in there for a checkup girl you know so that was crazy. And then that just threw me off for the rest of my teenage years, because not only was I already dealing with feeling like a sore thumb, now I'm dealing with feeling like not enough as a woman and like now the boys really aren't going to like me because I can't get pregnant and you know all of that stuff.
Speaker 1:So I think, like towards the end of my teenage years and like once I got to college and I was forced to be by myself, I realized like, okay, you can't live like this forever girl. So I just took all my confidence outside of like external validation and brought it into myself. So I realized like all my complaints were about other people, like, oh, will a man like me? Oh, the other girls look better than me. But like, what about you, you know? So I started to do like journaling and removing my thoughts about will a man want me? Like, will I want a man? You know? Like you know, I started switching it for myself and just being a little delulu for like real, you know I was a little little like.
Speaker 1:As long as I keep telling myself this, one day I'm going to feel it, and then one day I just felt it and then I started my YouTube channel.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's why I love your YouTube channel girl. She became a self confidence coach. Yeah, literally flip the switch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause I feel like not to. You know, everybody's great in their own right, but I feel like some other like coaches or, you know, therapists, even like it's just based off of schooling. Now, I did go to school to add to my degree.
Speaker 1:Hey, but you know, but you know, I also think experience is like so important in anything. I got to always say like, let's say, you had to get a surgery or something. Would you want to go to the doctor that like fresh out, got out of college or it's done a few surgeries, oh hell, no, you know what I mean. So it's like, okay, I've been here before. I know what it feels like to literally like dislike yourself Go through it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I think that really helps me have more of a relationship with like my subscribers and like I relate to them as my sisters. I don't call them my subscribers because I've been there, done it, and I just like to be the big sister I didn't have, so it's really cool to be on big sis energy. I like the vibe, oh, thank you.
Speaker 2:You're welcome, oh my God. No, and I think too, it's like how do you have any like steps for people? Because I feel like I remember when I was younger and I cared so much about what everyone else thought about me yeah, but I didn't care what I thought about myself, right, I didn't care about who, who. I feel like you shouldn't have time to stop and think about it. You're just like what other people think about me, but you're like oh, what do I think about myself?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, well, it's gonna sound literally crazy. See, now everybody's gonna think I'm really blue, blue, but like, okay, sometimes I think we end up living in our heads more than we live in the present moment, like we're always thinking about what's happening next. What does this person think of me? What does this person think? And so something that I like to do is like literally pinch myself, sometimes like just random spots, I know is gonna hurt a little bit, and I pinch myself and I'm like, ooh, and I have to, like I'll pinch myself and I'll look down at my body just to remind myself like I'm here, this is me, this is the only body I'm ever gonna have, so what are we gonna do with it? Like, and that's it. But I think sometimes you have to remove yourself from everything else around you. That's the first thing that I always tell people, and the better you are at being able to be like introspective, the better you're gonna be at understanding yourself, and then the better you are at understanding everybody else.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:But you gotta pause first and be like okay, I'm willing to sit with my thoughts because that's not a fun time.
Speaker 2:Because you have to realize, because I feel like when I was self-conscious and insecure, I didn't know I was self-conscious and insecure, I was just like oh, oh, oh and I wasn't realizing that I'm thinking about taking notes about what everyone else is talking about me, when in reality I need to think about who I am as a person and be comfortable with yourself. Because once you sit down and you're alone and you're just with your own thoughts, that can be scary in the beginning.
Speaker 1:You have to get comfortable with being alone, girl, and that's terrifying, I think, because a lot of us have a fear of abandonment and sometimes people think like oh well, I had both my parents. Like I don't have that, that does not mean nothing. Just because you had both your parents in the household doesn't mean you can't have abandonment issues. I had both my parents in my household and I definitely had that fear, like I don't want a man to leave me, I don't want my friends to leave me. But I always now say that if you have yourself like you are so full, you're the best partner you could be to yourself, you are the best friend that you could be to yourself, and you just have to dig it up. It's in there, like you know you better than anybody else. So how could anyone else love you better than you?
Speaker 2:And being independent is so powerful. Especially like before going into a relationship, I'm like I want to love myself and be independent before anything else.
Speaker 1:Yes, period, that's right, I know that's right, because that's hard. That's definitely hard. Did you like take time to pause and be okay with that, or do you feel like you just were born like that?
Speaker 2:I don't. It's hard because I've always been a little bit more like introverted and independent, but I think, well, I'm actually recently like going through a breakup a little bit. So, yeah, I was like this is new. Hold on. I was just with y'all like last month.
Speaker 1:I know Girl good, We'll talk later.
Speaker 2:We'll get to the tea. But yeah, I mean, like, obviously you're used to being with somebody and like I have been independent, but then when you get used to somebody, you get dependent on them a little bit and, like you know, they start becoming more of your life. And it's just hard because I'm like, oh my gosh, like this person's not gonna be a part of my life anymore. And I feel like that was kind of like a wake up call for me because, like I was just like dang, but I knew deep down that I didn't make the right decision. But that's a hard thing, cause then I'm like, wow, like I have to go back to, you know, being alone. And I'm like, okay, am I gonna be alone forever?
Speaker 2:But that's just me overthinking Cause I'm like I know there's someone right out there for me.
Speaker 2:And like saying for him as well you know, so it's like that's how you have to look at it, even though I think for me too, it's like taking the time to grieve it. I think for me I'm like I don't want to like move into things too fast, but like really feeling everything, to like get over that person. You know, I love that you're doing that. And even like, in a non-relationship aspect, malia and I we've moved. When we were living with our parents, we moved 15 times.
Speaker 2:Like we moved a lot and we were uprooted and taken out of you know, our friends that we made. And then it was just like, oh, we're moving somewhere different, You're not gonna have the same friends anymore. And that was kind of constant and consistently happening in our life and we were always like, oh well, you know, these people aren't gonna be around forever. And we had to get comfortable with ourselves but also each other, Because we got used to like picking up and leaving, so like for someone like to come into our life and come out. It was so normal, Like it was like oh okay, and we were just talking about this on the last episode but like a lot of, I guess, Virgos are like very like they don't mind cutting people out. You know, and I feel like that's so true for Kenzie and I both, cause I'm like, if you are not like serving a purpose to me, as like a friend and I'm putting all of this effort in and you're doing nothing, like I'm sorry, goodbye, Like that's not a friendship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, that's right, very Virgo of you. I have a Virgo moon, so oh, oh oh, I definitely understand. But I mean first of all good for you that you're handling everything so well. That was news to me. I tried to hold it but girl a little shook.
Speaker 2:Oh I know, I was like that was just like a big bomb that I just dropped. I was like, oh yeah, I'm like wait, hold on, we'll chat.
Speaker 1:But I'm really proud of you for being able to be like let me feel it and grieve it, Because I think we skipped that a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anytime something feels bad, especially girls, especially living in LA. I see it all the time. When something feels bad, people just run from it. It's like oh, how can I distract myself? Let me go out more, let me watch this TV more, let me binge, do this, this, this and this. But you're feeling it, because when you do that, it's just going to pile up and eventually it's going to come out in one way or another.
Speaker 2:That's how I am.
Speaker 1:In your next relationship. That's right.
Speaker 2:Friendship too. That's like. I would hate for it to come up in another relationship and make that like the issue. So if I can handle that now, then I won't have to worry about that in the future.
Speaker 1:That's so mature.
Speaker 2:That's how I used to be Before I was in a long-term relationship, I used to think I didn't have emotions, right. I was like, oh no, I don't get sad, I don't get angry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2:It just it took a while to boil over.
Speaker 1:Right, it was in, there, it was in there.
Speaker 2:Right, it was in there and lacked out. Once I started to allow myself to like more consistently feel my emotions, I became a lot healthier person. And I'm still like. I'm still like, I feel like sometimes that part of me is still there. Yeah, because I can get stressed really easily. Yeah, but like it'll just start like piling up because I won't do anything about it. Yeah, and then I'm like, oh wait, now I'm stressed, yes, because it piles.
Speaker 1:You can just let yourself feel that, though, like all the emotions, I'm a crier, I'm going to cry every time because I used to try to be like.
Speaker 1:I'm so tough, Nothing hurts me, Girl, stop be hurting my feelings and I cry all the time. Literally, I don't even know what my mind says. Very embarrassing. But yesterday I was in the car and oh no, I was in a car with my friend. No, it's literally like you're going to laugh. We were in the car and we were at a red light and there was like a rat in the middle of the road right and she was like ew, oh, my god, it's a rat. And I literally teared up and cried because I was like why is it by itself? Like where is it's feeling? Girl To a rat Girl, that is bad, Like I mean. Granted, it may be that time of the month, but I mean and I I like staying.
Speaker 1:You know, I just like I'm like that because, like I don't know, I just feel like I always try to put myself in other people's shoes and because I think that that's how you get the most out of like the human experience is by always trying to see other perspectives. So, although rat is not a person, I just thought about it. I was like, oh, he's by himself, like trying to feed himself, like that must suck, and it just made me sad and I feel like, probably from years of not crying, I'm much more sensitive now, but I don't think crying is a bad thing. Like it wasn't, like, oh my god girl, now the whole day is thrown off. I need you to comfort me, because I just cried about this rat. It's just like. No, I just needed to let that out real quick, right?
Speaker 2:Fine.
Speaker 1:Like I'm good, yeah, okay, but anyway we can turn icepice back on and it'll be fine, like you know exactly, I think people don't like to feel like negative emotions, like negative, like anger, sadness. But I feel like how do you enjoy happiness without knowing sadness? Right, you know, how do you enjoy peace without feeling anger?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because then you kind of become numb to every emotion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't want that life. Yeah, no, I don't want that for me. I feel like I always use an example of like a heartbeat, like on a monitor, and like you want it to go up and down, like if it's flat lines. Girl, that's bad news.
Speaker 2:You don't want it to just be the same thing all the time.
Speaker 1:You want it to go up, you want it to go down. I learned so much from my downs. I learned something. Every time I cry yes, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2:I heavily relate, especially with the crying thing. Like I feel like I used to never cry and now I'm like, after every little thing, like we had the Briozio meet and greet and then after that they took us out to dinner and at the end of dinner we're about to head home and I'm like I just want to say, like you women like really inspire me, like you guys really, like genuinely are such an amazing team and like I feel so blessed to like be in your presence and be a part of this experience Like and I just started tearing up and I'm like okay.
Speaker 1:Like put it back. Put it back. No, you are the cry, because you're the reason Malia cried In the episode. I know right.
Speaker 2:I used to never be like that, but now I'm like letting my emotions flow and they come more frequently.
Speaker 1:But I kind of like it. It was nice.
Speaker 2:Did y'all feel better after?
Speaker 1:crying when we did the episode.
Speaker 2:Yes, I felt so good. I was like wow, I didn't know I needed that, yes. Like that was so good and needed for sure. If y'all have not seen, Tassie has a podcast 1 in 100 self love club Period.
Speaker 1:That is the cutest name ever. Really, I'm like.
Speaker 2:I love that. That is so cute.
Speaker 1:Thanks. I just wanted to create like a nice space for the girlies because I feel like, especially like with hotlines and stuff, there's like hotlines for everything, but like what about when you need like some confidence or some girl talk?
Speaker 2:you know yeah.
Speaker 1:And so I feel like that's the hotline we have and I feel like I loved having y'all on because y'all have. You know, I never had a sister, so it was really nice to see y'all's like sisterhood. That's always what I craved. So it's so cool to see like real genuine love, like I'm sure you guys bicker and stuff, but for the audience, like they really love each other, like and it was so nice to see for real, like when y'all cry, just the support of each other and just like her crying made you cry and I was just like I love women.
Speaker 2:Like this is so cute. It was such a special moment. I know and I was like yeah, the fact that we met to the last time. That was the first time we ever met and I was like I feel like you're my sister. Like literally you were so sweet, actually, like I was like we love you. Yeah, we talk about you all the time. I'm like Taty's my girl.
Speaker 1:That's my girl, that's my girl. And I was like, oh my god, at least my like little sister. Hey, you know, but you guys don't really feel like little sisters. You're very mature. But that's probably because you've had to like move a lot and like deal with life itself. Yeah, that's good, just being like taken out of school too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Being put in different situations yeah. But we do have a few questions from when we just chatted.
Speaker 1:Yes, I was like I was going to catch up, but yeah, we have some questions from the people. Ok.
Speaker 2:They're good, little like real talk questions. But when was your first kiss and was it awkward?
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I was like I jumped into it Gagged me.
Speaker 2:Oh my god OK.
Speaker 1:I remember this like it was yesterday. First of all, it took me forever because the boys in my area did not like me. Ok, I had to get a car and start going to the other towns. Before you know, the towns around that were a little bit more cultured. And then I started getting attention. So I literally I think I was like 16. Like I was grown before I had my first kiss. I don't know if that's like, but I was 16. And this boy took me on a date to Chick-fil-A and it was so wack I didn't want to do it and I remember I didn't kiss him the whole day. And then at the end of the date he was like, can I have a kiss? And I was like, where am I Kiss it? Kiss it, OK. And he just went for it and I was like it was really bad. He probably remembers it to this day I definitely do and then I never saw him again out of embarrassment. So you're obviously dating.
Speaker 2:No, I can relate to that because I was 15 when I had my first kiss.
Speaker 1:Oh period.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I was a little bit older too. But yeah, it was awkward for me because I was in high school and I was parting ways, like we were about to go to our separate classes and we were holding hands and I was like all right bye. And then he just stood there like this and I was like I was looking around, like are you serious, like you're doing this, and I just like I was like and I was like all right bye, so awkward. Yeah, you don't remember this story. No, I don't, just like we'll edit out. No, who was it?
Speaker 1:You're going to edit out anyway. What is that to?
Speaker 2:say yeah, I'm like wait, what, what, what, what is that? Look at that, though. I don't know how, I don't remember, did you have yours around the same time, or no?
Speaker 1:So I feel like Were you an early bloomer.
Speaker 2:No, you were right, ok. So I have like an interesting story I feel like about this. This is like really weird, ok.
Speaker 1:OK so.
Speaker 2:OK, it all started. We had this friend and she was a girl, and Malia I don't. We were all playing Truth or Dare and I think the girl like dared me to kiss her. Oh, your first kiss was a girl. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't see me? No, literally. And I was like I was seven years old. Oh, yeah, oh, my God. Yeah, early bloomer yeah, oh my God. And then she's a little spicy little girl. And then, no, I'm like dare what, wow. And then I think I was like eight and I remember I don't know why I thought this, but there was this it was like a brother and sister duo and we were friends. The brother was like 12. Two year, eight, and I was eight, ok, and the sister was our age, ok, so like that's where we were hanging out because she had a little sister, right. So we were all friends. Did you ever crush on him? No, no.
Speaker 1:We never even hung out with him. We never hung out, we always put the sister.
Speaker 2:And then he just like happened to be there and like the parents are downstairs chatting it up and he's like, do you want a kiss? And I was like, well, isn't it the guy's decision? And I was like why is that?
Speaker 1:in my brain. What's that? Why is that in my brain, bro?
Speaker 2:That's something that our parents never said, ever, never Like. Why was that in my brain At that young age? See how quick eight years old, isn't that crazy. Why did I think that? And then I was just like, and then he just like, and then you were an early boomer.
Speaker 2:Two kisses in a year at seven, girl that's wild though, right, wow, but like my first real kiss, I think I was 14. Yeah, yeah, and then it was still awkward. You were still before me, emily. That's crazy. I know, are we with us? I know because everyone I feel like everyone like has already had their first kiss by like middle school.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, and I watched people do this Like I would watch people kiss and always be like damn Like.
Speaker 2:I wish that was me. Yeah, Like when is it going to be?
Speaker 1:my turn. And then it finally was my turn and I was like oh, that was not it Like that was weird, that was not it. And then I didn't kiss anyone again until I was in a relationship which was like that same year. But you know, that's just.
Speaker 2:It's weird, though, the guy that I kissed when it was like actually like my first kiss, I don't think he really liked me. Oh no, because we went to school, you know, it was predominantly like a white area and I feel like all the guys like the idea of us.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, girl you know, get into that. No, I was like that's a whole other episode We'll have to do that Because we could do it.
Speaker 2:I know we have some. We have some stories. We've talked about stories for days. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll be having a good vibe.
Speaker 2:I know we're not trying to bring down the vibe right now. All right, so we got the next question from y'all. I haven't started my period yet and I'm scared and nervous. What was it like the first time you got your period?
Speaker 1:Now, see, this is a good question for me, because the reason why they diagnosed me with that is because I didn't get my period yet. So really I was just super athletic, I was like cheerleading, I was tumbling, I had like not literally like you know, they do the body fat compositions. I literally no mind, was like non-existent, like I was so tiny, wow, I couldn't keep my own. That's why I'm such a snacker now.
Speaker 1:Now it's that kind of on me, because as a kid, I would just be like mm, mm, mm, like all these different snacks, because it wasn't sticking on me. So I was, like you know, I was burning it off so quickly. Yeah, girl times have changed, but um, yeah, no. So for me, when I finally got my period, it was a bigger experience for me because I was like, aren't I not supposed to be having a period? Didn't they tell me I wasn't going to have a period, I wasn't going to have kids? So when it happened, it threw me off.
Speaker 1:It was like in shock. Yeah, it was kind of like wait, were they wrong? Am I wrong? Is this like something wrong for me? Wow, so I had like a different experience than everyone else because I was like very, very confused, Like I literally remember it happening to me in school and being like oh my God, am I dreaming?
Speaker 2:Like you know, was it like a moment of relief for you.
Speaker 1:No, it was. I would think that, like all the years that it was like I had it maybe a year and a half after they told me that I wasn't going to have one, but I prayed for it, right. Like, oh my God, I just pray that one day they're wrong and I skip my period and then I'll be pregnant, right. And then it happened and I was like, oh shoot, like I, no, no, no, no, no. Like it threw me off because I didn't know if something was wrong with me or like I don't know.
Speaker 1:So I remember going back to the doctor and like she had already diagnosed me at that point. So she was kind of just like eh, it's a fluke thing, but like what I said still stands, like she still. I didn't get re-diagnosed until I was like 21. So I spent most of my teen years like thinking that Wow, yeah. But so, yeah, once I got my period, it kind of was just like double whammy disappointment for me, because it was like ugh, like I thought this meant that I could have kids and she just stood on her diagnosis.
Speaker 2:But so then you're just thinking like, oh, I can't have kids, but I also have to go through a period like this.
Speaker 1:It was like crushing, like I'm bleeding for what? Like yeah, I felt like a sick joke. I was like why me, I'm sorry, yeah. Oh girl, we're over that now. We got it we had a much better doctor who knew exactly what was going on.
Speaker 2:Yes, re-diagnosed me, so that's the hard thing with doctors too, oh my God, like finding the right one, because they don't. They don't really care about you, the doctor, the healthcare system sucks here.
Speaker 1:Like garbage and you know what was crazy. That's why I know I'm just a spiritual person. I know everybody's not, I know that y'all are, but that's why I know God did that to me on purpose, because when that happened, my parents were like we need to get a second opinion, because that's a big claim. Yeah, so we went and got a second opinion up at CHOP, which is like the main hospital in Philly, and so when we started telling the doctors there it was two men this time, which but we started telling them my story and they're like, oh, we can stop you right there. We already heard about your story. Your doctor emailed us. We're the one that gave her that diagnosis for you, oh, wow.
Speaker 2:So it wasn't really a second opinion?
Speaker 1:No, because the first one came from them. She just didn't tell us that. So yeah, after that I was just over it, you got it. I was like whatever, I'm not going to tell the doctor yeah, but yes my experience was probably different from y'all's. How about?
Speaker 2:y'all, I feel like for me I was kind of like a late bloomer with my period and I remember I think I was going into high school 13, 14. And I'm like where's she at? Everybody's becoming a woman over here and I'm here like I'm still a little girl, you know I was like where is it All my friends? They could relate about the periods and I'm just like it almost feels like a little club that you're joining.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm joining the grown woman. I'm in love.
Speaker 2:And 13-year-old, I thought I was grown. Yes, it's like, oh no, I know everything.
Speaker 1:Yes, about a period. Now I have a period, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So after I did get it, I think for me the biggest struggle, I guess, was just tampons.
Speaker 1:I was like I don't know how to use this. I was scared.
Speaker 2:She was screaming in the bathroom. She was like I don't know how to do this. My mom's like just do it. Well, because I was like that day she'd be so overdramatic I think I was like, oh, this is what a period's supposed to be like. You're supposed to be crazy or something. I had that idea and I guess it just wore off on me Because I was going insane. I was like, mom, we're going to the mall with grandma. And we were going to the mall with grandma. We were, and I was like we're going to have to walk around and I don't want to wear a pad, I want to wear a tampon. She's like OK, you can do it. She was very gentle. She was like you can. She explained me how you would do it and I was like OK, I got this and I'm at the toilet and I'm like I don't got this.
Speaker 1:I was like this is like the worst time, what. And there are different types of tampons that are easier than others.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know, the plastic applicator ones, that kind of click. Those are so much easier to me Because it's just like click, push. But the other ones that are like the natural ones, that are better for you. Of course they're more difficult.
Speaker 2:The cardboard. Yes, oh, my god, girl who would have known. I'm like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, thank you, that was a mess. You know what's crazy. Actually, since you are late bloomer too, I feel like we should tell your audience, if they don't know, it's OK to late bloom.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's so many different reasons for me. I feel like it happened because, like I said, I didn't have any body fat on me to have a period, so that's something that, scientifically, people should know you need to. You know your body has to hold some fat to be able to carry that type of bodily process.
Speaker 2:And everybody's different, everybody's bodies different. I mean, even Malia and I were so close in age and stuff, so I was like, oh, we're so close, we're almost like twins. Why aren't we going through the same things?
Speaker 1:But it's OK, everybody's different Stress time, genes, body composition, like there's so many different reasons. So if your doctor tells you something crazy, tell him wait it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or get an actual second opinion, yeah, or three or four or five, yep, you know.
Speaker 1:Sometimes that's needed. Yeah, oh my gosh Sorry. My experience was really fun. No, I love it.
Speaker 2:I love it For me. I don't even like I don't remember the actual day that I started my period. It was actually like pretty normal. The only thing that I remember was like I'd get my period one month and then it would skip like a month or two and then I'd like and then I'd get it again. So it was kind of weird for me because it was super irregular for the first like maybe year, and it was kind of nice because then I'd start and then random it good to Christmas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ok, whatever you're trying to become. I guess that happened to my best friend. She was a swimmer and hers was really irregular and her doctors were trying to figure out what was wrong with her, but then, once she stopped swimming, it was regular.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Interesting, it's just weird. Yeah, it's not a curse, but she's just an unexplainable mystery.
Speaker 2:It's funny the difference like when I was younger versus now. Like I take a lot of supplements and I know we did like an episode on this before but I used to get like really bad periods when I got older, like I'd pass out and everything oh wow and like I'd throw up and it was like it was oh, wow and it caused like a whole bunch of hormonal problems. But like when I initially started, when I was like in middle school, I didn't have cramps at all. Like I remember people saying like oh, like I get cramps and it hurts and I'm like what I didn't even know.
Speaker 1:I thought they were lying.
Speaker 2:I was like I've never experienced a cramp in my life and then, like a few years down the road, she jinxed it, I jinxed it and it was like bam, like it was. It was, oh my gosh, was just the same way. Did you have cramps? I get cramps, for me, I feel like every like three months, so like after. If I had three periods, one out of three I'll have pretty bad cramps, but it's not every single time. It's always the first day, the first day I usually can't do nothing.
Speaker 2:I'm just like the first day is a lot, you know. Yeah, first and second day for me.
Speaker 1:Probably be the end of it, for me If you're trying to make a grand exit like oh, my God. Really. Yeah, that's where I'm at today. No, no, no, it's fine, I'm strong.
Speaker 2:I was like, I got my own, my purse if you want some.
Speaker 1:See, I be trying not to do that. I be trying to just tough it out. I don't know what in my brain makes me feel like that's a good thing to do.
Speaker 2:I do the same thing. Unless I absolutely need it. I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna take because my body gets used to it for some reason.
Speaker 1:And then I have to keep up in the dosage.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, I can't take two because that doesn't work, and I have to take three.
Speaker 1:Yes, I don't take any like Advil or Mido or anything, unless I'm like oh girl, like.
Speaker 2:I can't get out of there.
Speaker 1:Because then it just hits so much better, because your body doesn't really have it in the system. So like imagine when you have a really bad headache and you haven't taken the Advil for like six months. That's true.
Speaker 2:It's gonna help Gone.
Speaker 1:That's my logic. It's self torture that's my logic. Like I need to feel the pain.
Speaker 2:But if you were that girl that was asking the question about periods and like what to expect, I feel like most people have very normal experiences with their period and it's not something that's super scary, it's something that's natural and it's gonna eventually happen to your body in your body's timing, in the due time. That is right for you and you don't have to be nervous about it. But maybe keep some panty liners, some pads, some tampons in your backpack for school.
Speaker 2:Backpacker purse, just in case Be prepared An extra pair of underwear, honestly too. Extra pair of pants, just in case, not to be worried or anything, but just in case.
Speaker 1:That way you're prepared and you're ready to go.
Speaker 2:And if any of your friends start you got the hook up too. Yeah, oh, I remember I was in high school one time and I was I like unexpectedly started my period and it wasn't supposed to come at all. And then I went to the bathroom and I was like you gotta be kidding me. So I remember I was like on the toilet and I was like, does anyone have a tampon?
Speaker 2:I had to ask because I didn't have one in my backpack at all, and I didn't even know because I thought I had to just pee, I guess.
Speaker 1:And then she was like I'm here she flowed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's scary, and no one did so I had to make a little the little toilet paper.
Speaker 1:Yep, oh my God, the little toilet paper had old girl. Do you guys like pads or tampons?
Speaker 2:I'm a tampon girl, because I have a heavy flow Like I have the ultraist ultra ones. I remember I would have tampons for my friends and they're like what the hell is this? I'm not using no ultra. The big, large ones, yeah, cause the light ones never worked for me. I'm like what Cause I'm gonna be changing this like every 30 minutes? Well cause, even with their ultra, even with the ultra.
Speaker 1:Especially the first and second year.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh no.
Speaker 1:I go through those, you know.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I think we get that from our mom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's another thing too Everyone's flows are different.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Mine's not that heavy anymore, but that's cause I'm kind of cheating on my break control. So let's, I'm kind of cheating, it stings her out a little bit, but I like to try to use pads as much as I can, because I heard I don't know if it's like a myth and they just want us to suffer, but I heard that if you use pads your period goes by quicker Cause it's just like the chemicals that are in tampons like want you to have a longer period so that you have to buy more tampons.
Speaker 2:Why the hell are there. Is it chemical tampons? Is it chemical?
Speaker 1:tampons, yeah. So I try to do the like natural pad thing.
Speaker 2:Cause it like makes it allegedly better. I wouldn't doubt if that's true.
Speaker 1:Because I wouldn't.
Speaker 2:I mean I buy natural tampons, which?
Speaker 1:is the applicator. That's better.
Speaker 2:They are supposedly better. But like I feel like I have to try that now. I'm like maybe I'll try it.
Speaker 1:I don't want the tampon companies to come after me. It is just a conspiracy girl, I don't know. In practice, like girl shut up.
Speaker 2:I got one right now, girl, it's fine, my gosh. It's fine, oh, my gosh. Okay. So I guess the next question is how to get out of a friend group without causing any drama.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, don't ask me, girl. I feel like that's so mean. Girl. It's always drama and I think I just think people take it really personal and, like I always say, like I don't really care, like when, if something doesn't work out with like a friendship, it just wasn't supposed to work out to me. Like right, I learned from you. Probably I laughed with you. Like and that's fine, like we don't have to be friends forever. It's a season, a lifetime or a reason really.
Speaker 2:To me, Right, so it's just like I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of times drama happens because people just want to like. It's like a possession thing, like.
Speaker 1:I think girls, especially just when women's friendships, it's like we just want to feel like no, like you're my sister, like it has to be that forever, but it's like we grow and we change. So I think the best way something that I'm trying to do better at is being like just explaining, Cause I think for me, if somebody does all this like rah, rah, rah, rah, drama stuff, I would just clock out. I would never say anything again, like I'll just. Okay, you talking to a wall, like that's fine, but I don't think that that's like the healthiest thing either, because you know you deserve to say your piece, and so my advice would be to speak your piece healthily, and it doesn't have to be like a fight. Right, it's okay.
Speaker 2:Even like slowly distancing yourself. I feel like it's hard. If you're in high school, if you see these people every day, it adds a different level to this because you still want to be cordial. You still want to be able to be friendly with these people.
Speaker 2:And not be like, oh, I can't see you down the halls If you're by my locker. Like you don't want that energy. So I think, if you like slowly distance yourself from friends and like, just start making new friends, it doesn't have to be oh, I don't like you anymore. It doesn't have to be toxic, it doesn't have to be maybe it's just not the best thing for you in this moment and you can slowly kind of distance yourself. I feel like that's okay too.
Speaker 1:You need to also be able to recognize when, like, someone is just not compatible with you. Like, for example, if I have certain trauma and your trauma like clashes with that, we probably shouldn't be friends because we're probably going to enable each other you know what I mean. Or if we have like the same exact trauma and we're like enabling each other. It's like I don't because I love you. We shouldn't be friends because I'm going to hurt you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I'm going to.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to, I don't have the answers to be able to guide you as a friend or vice versa.
Speaker 2:Or vice versa.
Speaker 1:So it's like, because of that, I literally love you so much, I want you to go on your own journey. Yeah, that's it. Like I've had to do that and it doesn't mean I don't love you. Yeah, it's almost the exact opposite, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think too, as girls I don't know if y'all relate to this, but I feel like we naturally want to be besties with everybody yes, we have to be besties off the gate. Inch into your relationships, be an observer. I feel like that's. One thing I've really learned is like watch how people talk about their other friends before you decide that they're your bestie. Because if they're talking shit about their besties. They might not be a healthy person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they might not be a good friend and they might not start talking shit about you, Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like ooh, okay, see on my list Noted. Yeah, I won't be telling you anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, because that's just weird and, honestly, maybe it's just me being looking at an energy person, but I just feel like if you know you feel that way towards a person, why are you around her Like? You know, If I'm like, oh my God, I hate this person. She saw that. She saw that Like I wouldn't want to spend time with that person. But when I see somebody do that and then they're posted up like bestie, I'm like, yeah girl, I will pay.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. I'm like low key appalled when people do that, because I'm like you were just talking mad stuff and that girl doesn't deserve that yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. And like a big thing is like your friend's business is not your friend's business. Like if you're my friend and you're telling me something, that's not your business. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like okay, you told me that, if not a kiki, like let me call my kids.
Speaker 1:You're like guess what? Malia said Exactly what?
Speaker 2:Because it's really Malia's business and if she wanted to tell me she would've. You know what I mean. I feel like that's gossiping is so hard. Like I feel like it's so prominent though, like it just happened, but you can feel, though it's very like you said, negative energy. It is, you know, and I'm like, I'm not trying to be surrounded by that.
Speaker 1:It's just draining. Like don't get something better than trouble. It is draining.
Speaker 2:I like I don't want to feel drained. That's one thing. If you feel drained after hanging out with a group of friends, or just one friend, it's like you know it's not good, it's toxic?
Speaker 1:No, literally, we hung out for like almost like two days straight. Like when the US came in that one time did like anyone else come up? Not like oh my God, they're lying. No, like, literally.
Speaker 2:We didn't like there's why, like there's so much other stuff to talk about To just talk bad about other people, because for one, then you're putting negative energy into your circle, into your day, and it's like why, when we could just be positive, like literally?
Speaker 1:Or it's like even when I do see people going through something, my first thought is not like oh, she's so this, or she's so that I'm like oh, I hope she gets through this.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do different things for different reasons and like I don't know people's stories, so like who am I to be in a position to be like, ah, she's doing this, like okay. You know, Exactly God help her through that, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm a pray from a distance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because when people be like oh, I would never. God will show you and you are never like, you never did before and I don't want that on me, god.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. Okay, the next question. I'm starting my first year of college. What are your tips for not getting along with roommates?
Speaker 1:Oh, my God gag, you guys are just asking me. This is just crazy. I don't have to answer it because I literally did not get along with my roommates Like I had a terrible, terrible first year. I'm not giving big sis energy right now.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, this is real.
Speaker 1:This is real Honestly, this is energy to us because, like we never went to college, so like we didn't have that experience, but like I couldn't imagine living with anyone other than Mackenzie, and then, obviously, like you know, see, I was living with three girls, so we had like a quad at school and so it was two and two per room, but the three of them are already friends and I literally told myself I didn't want to get myself into the situation because I knew if there was any issue it's gonna be me against all of them. Oh no. And so what I will say is, as advice get a mix of girls in the dorm. If you're gonna do like two, three, four girls, like, get a mix, because all of them, you know kind of already having a relationship definitely strained my relationship with them. But yeah, I don't know, didn't get along with them for the silliest reasons. Like we had different majors and so my best friend wasn't them, because I'm spending time with a girl that's in my major, you know we're studying in the library all night. That's my best friend.
Speaker 1:They started to feel away about that Like well, you spend more time with her than you spend with us, and that's when things got messy. And then she got involved because she's defending me and it was just, it was too much. And so I think although in growth and healing I understand that they may have felt rejected by me because I think they thought we were gonna build this really close sisterhood and so when they saw me build it with someone else, I probably bothered them and so in my maturing, in my big sister's energy, I understand that. You know, I understand how they may have felt and I probably could have been a little bit more gentle about understanding that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we didn't really. We didn't really mend that situation. We all just ended up moving into different. I moved out because it was just unsafe for me at that point. But I will say what I will say in the future is what I've learned from that experience is to communicate Like things do not have to be. We don't have to have a separate group chat and I hate when Tati does this and that you could literally just tell me.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I hate when you come over here with your best friend girl when you don't spend time with us. Okay, let's hang out tomorrow.
Speaker 2:You're all grown, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know we can fix the issue like this, but I think when things get harbored like we talked about, earlier speaking on your feelings, the secret animosity happens. It's like I think communication is the biggest thing, even though when you have a roommate in college, you don't know these people. This is not your best friend.
Speaker 1:You don't feel comfortable, you might be scared to communicate. If you don't, ish is gonna go south. And it's kind of like a boundary thing too, because like you don't set boundaries with them and you don't know them like that's what happened to me they're gonna be crossing every, every line. My girl in my room was using my soap and it was empty and I had the good soap, like that big Olay soap, you know, and I had it for like a few days and it was good Olay. It hit me up but it was gone and I was like girl, hold on.
Speaker 1:I don't think we addressed like you can fast, you know, just don't do it, like you know. So I started like if you can use my soap, and she lied at first and the second day she was like okay, yeah, girl, I've been using your soap. I was like okay, and then she replaced it. But she replaced it with the mini one instead of the big one that I got, and then that made me feel away. You know, it's just little college stuff that could be talked about like hey, do you want to share these items? Do you not want to share these items? Okay, let's set the boundaries.
Speaker 2:I feel like stepping into womanhood and adulthood is learning how to deal with confrontation and being able to be confrontational Because, yes, it can be scary but at the end of the day, if you're feeling some type of way, if you don't like what somebody's doing, you can say it in a respectful manner. That's not going to piss people off. You know you can do it in a nice way, but still get your point across.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I also think boundaries are important because it's like different groups are for different things, so like your roommates can be like your group and you can also have a separate group of friends. Like I think sometimes when people go to college they make their roommates, they're only friends.
Speaker 2:They're everything.
Speaker 1:And that can go left, because you're living with these people, especially as the first time you're living with people other than your family, right, and so you're constantly around these people. So when you like, make that, that's like making your boyfriend your whole life. You're constantly around somebody and that's their only life. Things start to go south like that, so you get more irritable. It's more arguments, it's resentment. I would say build a life outside of your roommates, build a group outside of your roommates.
Speaker 2:See, she got tips y'all. She was like no one got tips. I was like no, you do. I mean, you're a knowledgeable girl, I guess.
Speaker 1:Girl, I know she's like she's trying to be humble.
Speaker 2:Learn from my mistakes.
Speaker 1:I mean I didn't do it right the first time. You know what I'm saying and so I think the advice that I have is from my mistakes. Like, I went through being insecure and being negatively self-talking to myself. Now I know to tell people how not to do that. I went through the issues with my roommates. Now I know how to. You know I didn't. I'm not, I went through them. You know I went through the mud, right, oh, but I'm okay now.
Speaker 2:Good, no, I love the tips, literally giving big sis energy vibes, all right. Next question is how to make friends in a new city. It's hard moving out of the state and finding new friends. It seems hard to find a girl's girl.
Speaker 1:Oh, still working on that one. I think for me in LA it's probably difficult because not to do that to LA, but you know, things can get very, very superficial here and so, like I don't want to talk about gossip, I don't want to do all that and not to put that on all of LA, because that's not what it is, but because my boyfriend is a DJ, we're consistently in that environment, right?
Speaker 1:We're in the clubs where you know what I'm saying, and so I think there are there are different types of people in different areas, and so I think it's probably a little difficult to make friends when you keep yourself to one environment, and so I would say to put yourself in different environments. I've made more friends going to. Like Pilates and like I'm picking up tennis again, I've made some friends there, you know like doing the things that are outside of your daily routine is probably where you're going to make community.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Trying new things putting yourself out there, yeah.
Speaker 1:Getting out of your comfort zone.
Speaker 2:I feel like cause when Malia and I we were, you know, we got taken out of school, we did online for three years and then after that, we moved out, but we still didn't have no friends, like we were very isolated and, yes, we were comfortable being isolated, but I was like, okay, well, what's the worst that can happen? Right, what's the worst that can happen if I try something new? Yes, and I push my own personal boundaries and I step out and I try something? I met people and I did.
Speaker 1:And I was like, I know there's nothing wrong with me.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, I feel like when you're alone, but you're, you don't have, you don't have a social outlet you almost start to think like, okay, well, what am I doing wrong. You start to self reflect yeah, and which is such a good thing. I feel like it is important to be like, okay, am I being a good friend? Am I doing all the things right? Cause you want to get that right first as well and be a good person to the people in your life, obviously.
Speaker 2:But, I think that that was something that was constantly through my head Am I being a good friend? Why did this happen? Why did this happen? And I'm with rethink, like friendships and relationships, and I was like, no, I think I'm a good person. I was like I think I'm a good, I think I'm a good person and I think I just need to put myself in new situations, because the people that I used to have in my life, that I used to, you know, go to high school with that I used to work with. They weren't necessarily my cup of tea, and that's okay.
Speaker 2:And it's okay, nothing against them. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, different strokes for different folks and like who you're friends with when you're young is so hard to still be a friend to the same people when you're older. I do still have my home friends, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I grew a lot of my home friends, and that's okay too. It's like it's okay to outgrow, it's okay to learn, like we're just in different spaces. And I also don't like when people think that like if someone's saying that, oh, I outgrew this person, that means that, like, you're better than that person. Like that doesn't mean that you're saying that you're above this person. It's just you can also grow equally in two different directions.
Speaker 2:Right Different places in life.
Speaker 1:For sure. That doesn't mean that one is like better than the other.
Speaker 2:Exactly Different things, and I think that's the best way to get on from that. Yeah, like you don't have to be besties with them. Still, like you can still like stay in contact with them, but it's like wish you the best, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yup, do you have another question? All right, the last question is I asked my friends to hang out and they said I guess is that something I have the right to be upset about? Yes, that was like.
Speaker 1:That was so unnecessarily rude. What do you mean, you guess, like child, maybe it's a psychology me, because we can talk about this for 20 minutes, but sometimes people will do things like that just to like make you feel small, like you know, like, oh, I guess you know, it's just you could have said yes or no, or maybe like let me see what my schedule is. I would love to or like. If you don't like them like that, then just say no girl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say that. I was like they obviously don't care about their relationship at all, so they're honestly not worth your time at all.
Speaker 1:You know you better than that girl or guy or them.
Speaker 2:Anybody? Yeah, For sure. Oh, we have some. We have some rapid fire questions and they're actually on your side of the table yes, so if you want, to look at them. Yes, and they're up to you, like finish the sentence. So it's going to say blank, blank, blank, dot, dot dot, and then you're just going to finish it with Okay.
Speaker 1:I would never date anyone who is rude to service workers.
Speaker 2:I think yes, yeah, yes, that is.
Speaker 1:Biggest celebrity question I was younger was Taylor Lautner in Twilight. I had a whole cut out poster from my basement.
Speaker 2:Would kiss. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Next question. The first thing I ever did without my parents permission was no-transcript. Sneak out the house, sneak out the house I'll be with, sneak Out the House and go to a party, and then she go there not even drink not even do anything, just to be there and just be in the corner like, oh my God, I snuck out.
Speaker 2:We would go to Walmart and buy snacks in the middle of the night just for fun, Just to be like a rebel. We're like we could have done this during the day.
Speaker 1:So this is a common experience, because that's why we got in trouble the first time. We did it, me and my best friend we snuck out just to get chicken nuggets from Wegmans and we left the frickin receipt on the counter and then her mom found it in the morning like what were you guys doing At 2 am? She's like what you can chicken nuggets, oh my God.
Speaker 1:She's like sure, yeah, sure, I'm a private person when it comes to ooh, maybe not to get deep, but maybe sometimes like as deep as my insecurities probably get like when they do come up, because I feel like I do have to be like big sister to everybody else, and so I probably don't talk about it as often online when, like, I'm going through something, I did it today, but I don't really talk about it as often online because I don't want them to feel like hopeless, like oh, she's not confident and like well, you know cause I'm trying to be that for them, right, yeah, so I'm probably private about that, but I'm trying to be more public about it.
Speaker 2:But let's get this show that you're like vulnerable to Like I feel, like it's I mean, it's human, you know, to feel like that yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm trying, guys, I'm trying. If I were to mentor someone, the first thing I would teach them is to love yourself first and on a more specific level in them because that's very broad is to remove any validation that doesn't come from self and any validation that when I say self, that means internally. So external validation is also validating yourself by oh, I have a nice body or I have a nice hair. That's also external. Just because that is on yourself, that is not in yourself.
Speaker 1:And so any validation that isn't within you is a dub. I'd say make a list of the things that you love about yourself and highlight them as often as possible. Whether that's you being charismatic, go see more people more often. If that's you being compassionate, be there, shoulder for your friend more often. Like highlight the things that you really value by yourself that are nothing to do with things that we can't control.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I love that. I would say that's so good. Three items I always carry with me are lip liner, lipstick and lip gloss. Ooh that was fast.
Speaker 2:I was just gonna say your combo wig, my lip combo is it girl? Thank you sister. Yeah, that's all of them. Okay, well, our very last question is what's one piece of big sis advice that you would give to your younger self?
Speaker 1:Okay, not to get emotional, but the one thing that I would tell my little tatty self is that the same thing that I just said about mentoring. I would tell her that just because people are not giving you the attention that they are giving others doesn't mean that you're not worthy of it. Just because you're not having the experience that others are having doesn't mean that your experience isn't just as beautiful and that you're not just as beautiful and that you are going to go on to be the coolest girl that you always wanted to be. You're gonna get your fairy tale love. You're gonna get everything that you ever desired. And, to not sell myself short, I would probably tell her that she needed it, girl. She needed it. I love it. Y'all not going to let me cry in here that was like the best.
Speaker 2:Wow, that was a good ass answer. Yes, oh Tatty, we love you.
Speaker 1:This went by so quick. I know, oh, my gosh Girl, we be chatting it up for hours, we be chatting. But thank you all so much for having me. This was so much fun. Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2:This was awesome. This was so much fun.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna have to continue this.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Obviously Our sister chats. I'm like we got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we gonna go to chat.
Speaker 2:Make sure to check out her podcast Yay, 1800, self love club Period. And make sure to follow us on Vixx's energy on Instagram with two Y's. And yeah, we will see y'all in next episode. Bye, music.