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EP 63: In the Photo Frame of Life, Be the Spoon

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Good Morning!!!!

This week we went a-Fleuring to see the cult classic The Room!

You may remember EP 39: Oh Hi Mark, I'm Wearing Two Belts? where we covered The Disaster Artist?

This is not only the movie that inspired the other movie, but also our truly marked our Flick'n'Beans Podiversary. 

Plus we had a super treat having @GregSestero there to provide live commentary and Q&A!

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Wendy:

Foreign. Good morning.

Bridget:

I am Bridget.

Wendy:

And I'm Wendy.

Bridget:

And this is Flickin Beans. I have a surprise coffee for you today.

Wendy:

Okay.

Bridget:

Another thing I've never tried. I have here Starbucks Double Shot Energy in vanilla or Black Rifle Espresso 300 in caramel vanilla.

Wendy:

I would like the Black Rifle.

Bridget:

I've never noticed it in the store before. All I've ever seen are creamy things that look like milk and don't have coffee.

Wendy:

Yeah, those are kind of gross. What's cool about these is that we can get the noise.

Bridget:

I know. Are you ready?

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Cheers.

Wendy:

So I also have a surprise for you.

Bridget:

Okay.

Wendy:

This is a happy anniversary present. Cuz we've been doing this one whole year.

Bridget:

Thank God this is not that coffee that that animal poops out.

Wendy:

It is.

Bridget:

No.

Wendy:

Yes.

Bridget:

I. Are you kidding me?

Wendy:

I'm not kidding.

Bridget:

It is civet.

Wendy:

Yes. And they're wild.

Bridget:

I. I think I have to drink this on a dare.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Oh my God. Thank you, Joel and Wendy. This is horrifyingly an awesome present.

Wendy:

So we'll have to brew that up. One of these. Morning. See if you can taste the civet's digestive system.

Bridget:

It's Wendy's poop. I watched Grizzly man again, by the way. I can't get enough.

Wendy:

Oh, it's so good.

Bridget:

We had an amazing night last night.

Wendy:

Yes, we did. It was a highlight of my life.

Bridget:

Probably thus far. Same. So we went to see the room at the amazing Fluor Theater Cafe, which really just means baked goods, espresso machines.

Wendy:

So you can get fancier coffees and thing that the popcorn came in. That was pretty genius. It had a lid like when you get a whipped cream drink, but the lid came off and it was. It said to share and it was a bowl so you could.

Bridget:

And I promptly bumped into you and knocked that lid off. Yeah.

Wendy:

But I didn't spill any popcorn because there was a lid for it.

Bridget:

Being a coffee shop, it took like 20 minutes to get my drink. I needed some caffeine. But then I got two beers. Those were quicker but also very awkward because you had to pay for it. And then they gave you a tiny piece of paper to take to the end of the counter to get a worker's attention for them to reach in and get you a beer. Of course, they were very nice. They also didn't have a tip option when you paid. And who has cash?

Wendy:

What was special about this? You want to tell them?

Bridget:

Oh, so many things were special about this.

Wendy:

In particular though, the. The host the evening.

Bridget:

Right. So that's funny because when I bought tickets, obviously I didn't read the fine print that he would be there. And I also didn't know who he was because I'd never seen the room. And I was like, oh, this is you. And he's like, yeah. He was such a good host. And he gave us the absolute treat of commentary. Fantastic.

Wendy:

He is Mark. Oh, hi, Mark.

Bridget:

Yes, he is from Mark. And he wrote the book the Disaster Artist, which James Franco adapted into that movie. If I watched the movie at home by myself, I would just be laughing at Tommy. But the crowd was wildly interactive. Although I've seen Rocky Horror, this was so much more enjoyable. Tim Curry is a little hard to look at. So is Tommy Wiseau.

Wendy:

I think he's fascinating.

Bridget:

Okay. I have a theory. I believe that he is an alien, not a vampire. And I read a quote today that had been marinating as I drove over here from Nerd Daily. It's like a movie made by an alien who's never seen a movie, but he's had movies thoroughly explained to him.

Wendy:

That is so perfect.

Bridget:

Right?

Wendy:

Yes.

Bridget:

An alien would have unlimited money.

Wendy:

Sure.

Bridget:

If they wanted.

Wendy:

Tommy was a retail mogul.

Bridget:

Yeah. I read something about importing leather jackets and reselling them. But how do you have a bottomless well of money selling leather jacket? But back to my theory. He's an alien. He had weird structure.

Wendy:

Yeah. His body is kind of, like, oddly proportioned.

Bridget:

Yeah.

Wendy:

He's fit.

Bridget:

I don't know.

Wendy:

You're right. Somebody drew him and was a little off. Yeah.

Bridget:

He's like a caricature of himself.

Wendy:

Yes.

Bridget:

His face had really weird angles, as did his body. Fun fact. The scene where he gets out of bed naked, he insisted that, but the editor really wanted to cut it because it scared his wife.

Wendy:

That's a valid response.

Bridget:

That is amazing.

Wendy:

It's way too long.

Bridget:

Yeah. And you'll never guess how many times they had to do it.

Wendy:

I can only imagine.

Bridget:

Over and over and over and over. Even that scene. I did not hit her. I did not. I already had the script in his pocket. The way that he literally wrote it but can't remember his own lines. Another fun fact. Even though he's the star, he doesn't come in for 38 minutes.

Wendy:

It does take a long time for him to appear. That was one of the fun things about the crowd. A lot of them knew what was coming, so you got a little bit of setup to some of the jokes. And Greg was very good about setting stuff up, too. He had so many, like, little quips a little fact he would throw in there about Tommy's idea for something, the outfit that he wore that well, you know, I love.

Bridget:

And we talked about this before the commentary back when we had DVDs. So I love, love, love that backgr how they make things and. And he really brought it to have that right there in person with the actor. Magical. I didn't realize that he was going to be there, but you knew it.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

He had an entire merch table set up when we got there with the most fun merch ever. I did end up buying his book, which he offered to autograph. And I was like, oh, no, that's okay. And then he's like insisting. I think it's great because I picked it up last night. It feels like a book. I'm gonna reread again that behind the scenes stuff. And I'm thinking most of my little quote, fun facts are gonna be further explained in the book. And I can't wait.

Wendy:

Yeah, I almost bought the book too, but you bought it and Dylan bought it. So I figure I'll borrow from you.

Bridget:

Definitely. As long as you give it back.

Wendy:

I will. Yeah.

Bridget:

I got to sit next to him.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

And kind of glanced over a lot to see his reaction and basically he was beam. Has he seen it in the theater?

Wendy:

No, not in a theater.

Bridget:

The crowd was what made it so great. It was so interactive. Like we said, anytime somebody came in, it was, oh, hi, or oh, hey, hi, Denny. Fun fact. Oh, hi is spoken nine times and oh, hey, seven times.

Wendy:

That's it.

Bridget:

I know.

Wendy:

It seems like every time somebody comes in the room, the other character goes, oh, hey to that person.

Bridget:

Right. Well, just Danny. Really. Yeah, kinda. Well, he was a lot of them.

Wendy:

The weird character anyway, because he's supposed to be this teenage boy. At one point he's like 16, but then at another point, Lisa says he's 18.

Bridget:

Yeah. And Greg had said during his commentary, Denny's actually older than either of them. Greg was 19 at the time. Something very young. Yeah, he looks better now than he did then with a little age on him.

Wendy:

Yeah, he's a cute guy and I think he liked Hubert. It he's going to listen to this and he's going to be like, yeah, reach back next time.

Bridget:

Did you see the picture that we took? And I looked at it this morning and I was like, wow, I'm really.

Wendy:

Close and I look like an awkward third wheel.

Bridget:

I'm like leaning in. I think I'm going to crop that.

Wendy:

I know. Joel immediately went like this he goes. He puts his hand over me on the picture. And he goes, oh, what a cute couple.

Bridget:

Right?

Wendy:

I was like, but yeah, we put the. You put it up on our socials, so go check it out. But, yeah, I look like a weird friend on your date.

Bridget:

Well, he literally had his arm around me, and my arm was just hovering behind. I was afraid I was doing that thing. Crab.

Wendy:

Me too. I never know, like, you know if people want to be touched.

Bridget:

Right.

Wendy:

So I did. I just kind of do the same thing. But when we met Dave Attell, I can't stop thinking about doing this. And I'm sure it didn't matter, but when we took a picture with him, I just automatically, like, put my hand around him. And then when it was done, I kind of gave him a pat and walked away. And I was like, oh, I shouldn't have done. Yeah, he probably doesn't want everyone, like, touching it.

Bridget:

He was the nicest. Yeah, he was very engaging with everybody. Yeah, I flirted. I don't know.

Wendy:

Yeah, he definitely was flirting with you.

Bridget:

He's like, he likes my hair.

Wendy:

Yeah. He was making an effort. Talk to you. And we were kind of standing far away. He, like, felt put out that he had to keep helping people after you asked for a picture. And I was like, you like. And I was like, you should. You should. Well, he doesn't live here, so it's really.

Bridget:

Oh, no.

Wendy:

Out of the. Out of the question. But if he comes back every December 7, go on a date.

Bridget:

Coffee break. Let's talk about our beans.

Wendy:

Hey, Bean flickers. Have you followed us yet? We are on Instagram and Facebook at flicking beans pod. Make sure you like and subscribe and leave us a review.

Bridget:

I'm cutting that. You're ridiculous.

Wendy:

But he did.

Bridget:

It does look like he is all over, so I'm wondering how many of these he does.

Wendy:

What a weird but cool job. I guess.

Bridget:

Oh, h*** yeah. Well, he. It's suited for him more so than acting. Yeah, but I don't think anybody really knew what they were doing.

Wendy:

No, everybody in that cast was super young, inexperienced, and awkward.

Bridget:

But how do you make that script better? You put it in your pocket. Take your complaints and put them in your pockets. Oh, my God. And I read that he got so p***** off, he's like, I'm done. Walks off. He's not gonna say that line one more time. Just the fact that Tommy was pretty hard on everybody and yet was so awful and not remembering his own lines.

Wendy:

Yeah. Or acting at all.

Bridget:

And critical of others. Lisa had back Knee or something. I. I think he just humiliated the spoons. Let's talk about the spoons. Didn't that startle you?

Wendy:

Oh, hey, have lunch. It took me two or three times to figure out why they were yelling spoon because I didn't understand the spoon.

Bridget:

Right.

Wendy:

So there's a photo of a spoon.

Bridget:

They just bought a bunch of frames.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

And the spoons, I guess, were already in them. And Tommy's like, no, just put them up. The crowd threw so many plastic spoons. They were coming from everywhere, like rain.

Wendy:

Yeah. I got a few, like, in my lap. And did you? Yeah, one, like, stuck to my b*** like this. I kept it. I thought about having Greg sign it.

Bridget:

After I saw him sign someone's football.

Wendy:

And then throw it to him. Yes, that's cute.

Bridget:

And he said, go long. And I said, go short. Because of all those scenes in the movie. They're not far enough apart to be tossing a football.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Hacky Sack players stand further apart. That's Tommy thinking. That's very American. It's a f****** alien.

Wendy:

All the guys show up in a tuxedo.

Bridget:

Yeah.

Wendy:

There's no explanation.

Bridget:

Right.

Wendy:

Nobody talks about it. They just go outside and play football in the tuxedos.

Bridget:

When I saw the tuxedos, I thought, okay, he and Lisa are going to get married now.

Wendy:

Yeah. Then after the show, Greg said, tommy just knew that nobody had a scene in a movie where they were playing football at tuxedos. We're going to be the first one ever to do it. Nobody do that before.

Bridget:

Oh, my God. And that's part of why he had the two different cameras set up. They would be the first to do that. And then even Greg explained that they only ended up using the one. But he had to hire two different camera crews, handle the lighting differently. The dialogue was so messed up that that's why they overdubbed it, wondering.

Wendy:

Because sometimes Tommy's mouth didn't match up.

Bridget:

Most of the time. And he had told us that he. Greg, had to overdub the moaning in the sex scene. It was so weird. What candles, what music, what sexy dress. Told Tommy, none of those things are present. He said to me, greg, audience will not care.

Wendy:

It was awkward. And it was extra awkward because you're like, this is an awkward sex scene. And the guy's in the room with us. He's watching himself.

Bridget:

I don't think he did.

Wendy:

Oh, did he leave?

Bridget:

I think he. He stepped out at that point because he said, this is the first sex scene of many. The gal who played Lisa her name's Juliet. She was horrified that they left all of that footage in. Because I do imagine that in a regular movie, you around a little like that, but you're only gonna use a little bit of it.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Like so that you can cut away knowing they had sex.

Wendy:

Right. Instead of showing graphic thrusting.

Bridget:

That's so weird.

Wendy:

And Tommy's b***.

Bridget:

And everybody was saying he was doing it to her belly button. Actually, as I watched Tommy having sex, it made me more and more convinced that he's never had sex.

Wendy:

Yeah. And that would also explain why he was so obsessed with it. He had to put so much of it in the movie because he wasn't getting that in his real life. He definitely aiming for the belly button. There was a line in the Disaster Artist where she was like, oh, you're a little high.

Bridget:

Wow. Yeah. Fun fact. Sex scenes are 10% of the movie.

Wendy:

Wow.

Bridget:

Right?

Wendy:

I believe that. I would actually believe it was more.

Bridget:

It felt like more. It was hard to watch.

Wendy:

It was. And the moaning didn't match up. Or they were moaning like before they were even touching each other. It was weird.

Bridget:

And the nipples. We didn't need it.

Wendy:

Not so much.

Bridget:

First I was saying, oh, she just has a. A contract for her left nipple. But then there came the. Right before the movie even started, I leaned over to Jen and I said, I feel like people are going to say ohimark at least. And when started to go down, she leans over and says, did you know that was going to happen? And I was like, no, I just kind of guessed. And she's like, God d***, you're good. It was so much fun.

Wendy:

Yeah. She enjoy herself?

Bridget:

Oh, h*** yeah. Well, you know, she's a creative person. She's a writer herself.

Wendy:

And she was wearing hot Cheeto earrings.

Bridget:

Yeah, Hot Cheetos. She is the best. She does spices at the farmer's market, among other things.

Wendy:

Salt liquors.

Bridget:

Salt liquor. Shout out. It's amazing for one of the first times I met her, she was wearing hamburger earrings. So remember when we played at. At the market, she gave me a pumpkin and a candy corn earrings.

Wendy:

Oh, cute.

Bridget:

Rather large. Yeah. She was dying.

Wendy:

Good, good, good.

Bridget:

And that's the first time we ever went out.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Yeah. She was thrilled to come. She should have brought her husband. Well, I didn't realize they weren't going to check our tickets.

Wendy:

Yeah, no, no one asked me for a ticket. We just walked. I mean, you want to support.

Bridget:

She could have brought Colin. Well, it doesn't matter. I was glad to do it, to be there.

Wendy:

With the writer and everything.

Bridget:

Yeah, it was amazing.

Wendy:

The line producer line.

Bridget:

Oh, shoot. I was gonna Google, what does a line producer do?

Wendy:

Yeah, Greg doesn't even know Tommy just said he was one. And in the credits, it says that Greg was also Tommy's assistant, probably.

Bridget:

I mean, I think. Didn't he have to do kind of everything?

Wendy:

Yeah, he was sort of like, Tommy was kind of the idea man, and Greg was putting it into action. It seems like so many things had to align for this movie to become the cult classic that it is.

Bridget:

Hence, once again, alien.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Who built the pyramids? Did they not align with the stars?

Wendy:

That's funny. At one point, Joel goes, he looks like Elon Musk is melting.

Bridget:

Nice.

Wendy:

Elon Musk has always seemed very alien.

Bridget:

Yes. I've. I've seen pictures of his body.

Wendy:

Yeah. It's also weird like that.

Bridget:

It is very weird.

Wendy:

Oh, they're actually very similar. Weird. I don't know. I don't want to talk about people's bodies too much, but, yeah, they're a race of aliens. They do look similar. They have similar eyes and.

Bridget:

And bottomless wells of money. I am on to something here. I think we need a separate podcast about who's truly aliens. Remember how he said they had to have separate camera crews? I also read that either they walked off or he fired them. He replaced both camera crews four times. Something like that.

Wendy:

I guess this is a pattern of his was to get annoyed with people and fire them.

Bridget:

You know what I was kind of mystified about? Although we already know the movie doesn't really flow and make sense.

Wendy:

Yes.

Bridget:

But they go from Tommy and Lisa having forever sex that's almost longer than I care to. It's like. Anyway, so they go right from Tommy and Lisa having sex to her talking behind his back about how she doesn't love him.

Wendy:

Yes.

Bridget:

Again and again. And they have sex again. Where did this come from?

Wendy:

Yeah, and at one point, Tommy says, oh, I haven't got some in a while. And you're like, you were just doing it. Yeah, it was like earlier that day.

Bridget:

Yeah. So I didn't really understand where that was coming from. And I kind of thought, this is Tommy's perspective of what relationships are like.

Wendy:

Yeah. If it was a real life relationship, she wouldn't still be, like, fawning over him and.

Bridget:

Right. And just because he didn't get a promotion, she doesn't love him anymore.

Wendy:

But doesn't she say that she doesn't love him even before the promotion because her mom comes over and he's like, isn't he about to get a promotion? And she's like, yeah, but I don't love him anymore. At least his character doesn't make sense. No, he's terrible at writing women in particular. Like, he's terrible at writing everybody, but his women characters really don't make sense.

Bridget:

That's not that unusual. No, they're just an ornament. I could not accept the fact that mom was urging and urging Lisa to marry him. Yeah, maybe I could believe it if he had a suit that fit and a haircut. Okay, yeah, the hair, it was crazy.

Wendy:

That's why you didn't get that promotion.

Bridget:

I believe it needs a haircut. I wonder what he would look like with a haircut. I know. Elon Musk.

Wendy:

Maybe they're the same person. Tommy seems older, though.

Bridget:

Shape shifting. Even though we were super lucky to have Greg there, I read a girl's account about going to a screening. Tommy was there, was very nice, and signed things and post for pictures. On top of that, he was wearing three belts.

Wendy:

Three.

Bridget:

Three. And weirdly, he was standing inside a glass box.

Wendy:

Okay, so you just stood next to the box. You got in the box.

Bridget:

The girls were standing in front of the box. He looked like a wax figure inside there. Was it Covid? No, it wasn't. It was way before that. Oh, maybe he doesn't like to be touched. You don't have to tell me twice. I am there bright and early the next time they come through.

Wendy:

I'm so glad that you saw that. And we got to go because it was. Well.

Bridget:

Oh, I was gonna tell you, though, because it was random that I was at work and you know how ADD I can be. And I googled Fluor because I was like, you know, I haven't been to that theater since the Piano. Well, and they also renovated it and all that stuff, so it was kind of on my mind. Like, you and I for sure need to go and just do the floor to cover a movie. And I am scrolling through calming attractions, and I just nearly jumped out of my seat. I'm sure I texted you right away. Yeah, there was no doubt, no argument. We absolutely had to be there. Yep. And like you said, it was maybe the greatest night ever. It was just so much fun. I haven't laughed that hard in a really long time. You got to know it's good if you've got the tears rolling down your face. I had to pee, but I didn't same. I didn't want to leave.

Wendy:

Yeah, I had to pee, too. And Then. Then Greg came out to do questions, and I was like, dang it, I don't want to leave while he's talking to pee. But I really could have got.

Bridget:

Yeah. Answering questions was amazing too. And I mean, the fans are so hardcore. Love it so much.

Wendy:

Yeah. There was even some people there that had posters of other movies that Greg was in or produced or whatever. And there's this one guy that was sitting a few rows ahead of us, had this big puppet master, I think, or it was some kind of puppet horror movie.

Bridget:

Okay.

Wendy:

And he also had little figurines that he'd brought from that movie and a poster for him to sign. And I was like, man, this guy, like, nerd alert. Really into his. His career. But I think that's great. I love seeing nerd fandoms. They really make the world go around, you know?

Bridget:

Yeah.

Wendy:

Those. Those. Those kind of fans.

Bridget:

It's practically cosplay.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

It was so great.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

I have literally been grinning since. This is not a movie fun fact. This is a me fun fact. I did it up. I actually wore makeup. I'm surprised I didn't forget how to put it on. And my leather pants. I'm glad there was enough conversation in the room that nobody could hear the noises the pants were making. As I was getting ready, you know, I walked over to get my shoes, and then I grab my coat, which looks like the exact same material. I'll bring it if it's cold on the ride home. But I am not gonna wear this inside. I look like a trash bag. And that equivalent to the Canadian tuxedo.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

I am a fan of the Canadian tuxedo.

Wendy:

Yeah, I know. I like it.

Bridget:

Well, I wear my jean jacket all the time. A cute one, you know, it's crop girly.

Wendy:

And. And to be fair, to be fair, to be fair, that was very of the time, too. Justin Timberlake, Britney Spears, they went to some awards thing where they were like head to toe denim. Like it was kind of a thing.

Bridget:

Everyone hated that they did, but it.

Wendy:

Was of the time. So it was funny that it was like all his own clothes.

Bridget:

Yeah. The TV stand that was on those, like, Hobby lobby pillars actually belonged to Tommy.

Wendy:

Oh.

Bridget:

And the rest of the furniture was just consignment shop, Goodwill, whatever.

Wendy:

Staircase.

Bridget:

Yeah.

Wendy:

In what's supposed to be the upstairs. It didn't go anywhere, right?

Bridget:

I imagine not, because it was like.

Wendy:

Spiral staircase on the bottom floor. And they would walk up and supposedly that was going to the bed. Then sometimes they would be in the bedroom and people would act like they came up the stairs, but it was really just a thing that kind of looked like a banister. And especially when the mom came up, she didn't do a very convincing job looking like she was going up the stairs.

Bridget:

Question about that.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Why the f*** did they need a spiral staircase when they could have just had a door? It's fanc. That's why.

Wendy:

Yeah. Cuz nobody do that before.

Bridget:

This was a masterpiece. I got as much as I could fill my heart with.

Wendy:

Yeah.

Bridget:

Did we do it?

Wendy:

We did we flick some beans. Okay. Love you. Bye.

Bridget:

Bye. I'm tired. I'm wasted. I love you, darling.

Wendy:

It all night long.

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