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Episode 34: Overcoming Chronic Illness with Scott Everson
Scott Everson opens up about his harrowing journey through severe health challenges, including mast cell activation syndrome and benzodiazepine withdrawal. Discover how reconnecting with friends and building a supportive community became the most transformative element in his recovery. While Scott acknowledges the role of diet and medical interventions, he emphasizes the profound impact of social interactions on achieving and maintaining optimal health.
From exploring the transformative power of gratitude amidst chronic illness to the remarkable growth it can spur, Scott shares insights on brain retraining and its positive effects on health. Learn how regulating the nervous system can reduce inflammation and promote recovery, and why the interconnectedness of the gut and brain underscores a holistic approach to well-being. Delve into personal experiences with medication withdrawal, highlighting the importance of persistence, resilience, and the continuous journey toward better health.
Join us as we explore the benefits of a strict carnivore diet in mitigating symptoms related to gut health and nervous system regulation. Scott discusses how transitioning to a meat-based diet, combined with brain retraining and stress management, advanced his healing process. Hear about the camaraderie at carnivore retreats, the frustration with traditional medical advice, and the potential for misinformation in mainstream nutrition guidelines. Uncover the power of community, resilience, and a personalized approach to health and recovery through Scott's inspiring story.
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Welcome to the Primal Foundations podcast. I'm your host, tony Pascola. We will dive into what I believe are the four central foundations you need for a healthy lifestyle Strength, nutrition, movement and recovery. Get ready to unlock your path to optimal health and enjoy the episode Today. Our guest is Scott Everson. Scott is a limbic limbic. Am I saying that right?
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, you're going to bore people to death If you tell them. I'm a limbic training coach.
Speaker 1:Limbic specialist brain retraining coach, certified personal trainer and life coach. Scott, welcome to the Primal Foundation podcast.
Speaker 2:Hey, man, what's up? Dude, I love talking to you at Hacker Health. That's where I met you and the first time I'd ever been there. And, man, I'd love to talk to you a little bit more about what I've learned in the last year or so.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's. This is exactly why I love having these conversations. And Hacker Health was great. It was cool. It was my first time. You're saying it was your first time meeting people that you see on Instagram or you're interviewed on podcasts. And the community piece. The breakout sessions were great. I'll say that first, but the community piece was that's what it was for me. How about you?
Speaker 2:You know what man so. So here's where it ties in with my health. Just talking about this part, and I want to keep it interesting for you guys. Ok, don't turn me off yet, just just stay with me here. Ok, listen, I've gone through every health condition you can imagine, like I've had the worst, not the worst, I mean it sounds like I'm bragging about how bad my health was. Right, it's a terrible thing. I have what I call.
Speaker 2:It is every symptom from every disease when you have severe mast cell activation syndrome, withdrawing from medications. I was withdrawing from a benzodiazepine and I'm sure you've heard about the story of Jordan Peterson. A lot of people in the carnivore space follow Jordan Peterson. I mean, jordan Peterson had to go to Russia and get weaned off this medication under an anesthetic. He had to be put into a self-induced coma to get off this crap, and then they even then they had to wheel him around in a wheelchair for two years because he couldn't walk, and that's been me for seven years. It was the worst hell imaginable.
Speaker 2:I used to be a big guy like you, if you could believe that. You know I had a gym in Toronto and I was about 190 pounds at my lowest About three months ago, I got down to 110 pounds. So I lost 80 pounds. Every symptom from every disease, every mental symptom, every physical symptom, the worst pain, the worst brain function, everything you could possibly imagine. Yeah, there's a lot of things that helped me over that time.
Speaker 2:I'm about to tie this in with what we're talking about. Don't worry, carnivore. Carnivore has been huge. Okay, that's what got me started on recovering my health to some degree. But you know what, dude? I've seen dozens of practitioners. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to fix my health, literally going bankrupt in the process, having to take out loans, put a second mortgage, everything to try to reclaim my health. And you know what? I wish somebody had just said to me all this time Tony, what's that? Honestly? And I would have paid tens of thousands of dollars if somebody, instead of writing out all these protocols, do this, do this, take these supplements, know, get outside. And blah, blah, blah. All I needed was one sentence hey, asshole, hang out with your fucking friends, that's it that's all.
Speaker 2:That's all somebody had to say to me hey, asshole, go meet, make some friends, go hang out with some community members, that's it. That has been the most healing thing for me, by far, way beyond carnivore diet, whatever. Because when you get, when you get, you've been sick for as long as I was and basically your only conversations are with your kids. In those years, with the two-year-old and five-year-old, which isn't much of a conversation. In those years, with a two-year-old and five-year-old, which isn't much of a conversation you become extremely socially isolated. And, funny enough, when I would go hang out with people like I'd meet up with community members, go to these meetups all of a sudden I would start feeling good, wow, I feel so much better and I go back home I feel like shit again, right.
Speaker 2:So really that was behind my idea when I first started doing like creating my own meetups, creating my own retreats, stuff like that. I was basically just wanting you know people to hang out with in the community, right, and it turned into this whole other thing. So this is where I came on this binge now where I'm like OK, anything that's carnivore related, I'm pretty much going to try my best to make it out to. So every meetup that's out there carnivore cruises, you know conventions, you know starting my own stuff, retreats, whatever it is I try my best to make out everything now and I can tell you that that has been the most healing thing for me of anything. I know I'm going on a huge rant, but I just had to throw that out there.
Speaker 1:It's important. It's a. It's an important piece to talk about because we all it doesn't matter what profession you're in Sometimes we end up working in silos and we're just isolated and doing our own thing and, you know, nobody really knows what's going on with us. You know, unless you tell them. But you're seeing people, you're having conversations, people checking in on you. It's important. You know I'm a trainer out here in Chicago too. I've been. That's like.
Speaker 1:This summer has been a big thing for a big group of coaches. We've been doing meetups not M E E T, the other one, the other kind of meetups and meetups and training together and coaching together. No clients. It's only us talking about our workshops that we're doing, or we're talking about some new things that we're learning and developing, and we're just kind of doing this on our own and we try to meet up once a month. It's been a game changer.
Speaker 1:I feel more vitalized and that's another piece of hack your health. I almost quit vitalized and that's another piece of Hack your Health. I almost quit podcasting. To be honest, I was like I'm done, dude, I'm done with this, like I don't know. It's a lot of time, it's a lot of effort. You know I'm running around trying to make these you know podcasts and fit them in the day on top of a regular job. But when I left Hack your Health, I just was revitalized of like, oh my God, this is why I do what I do and I walked away with this new sense of like passion. So that community piece is huge and going into that, you know you kind of did this little. You know you had this laundry list of some of the issues that were going on, these issues that start to develop, where you started to get kind of like a little bit worried. And then now you're going to a bunch of different doctors I've had health struggles since about 2005.
Speaker 2:I was put on long course of antibiotics and then it was really just stress, man, I mean, stress is the most overlooked root cause of disease out there. Just chronic stress, year over year, whatever, working at some stupid job that you hate and you know, I mean like all the typical bullshit that people have to deal with on a daily basis with finances and you know, relationship troubles and this and that, and it's just not a very sexy thing, right? So now, now everyone's talking about mold and this and that, and blah, blah, blah, heavy metals, and you know all these conditions. But you know, I think stress, when it boils down to 95 percent of the time, that's the root cause of most people getting sick. If you really ask people, hey, what happened to you before you got sick? Well, this happened, and you know someone died, or you know I got divorced, or you know, blah, blah, blah, right, so that's basically what happened to me. You know I had some good stressors, some bad stressors, but I was stressed nonetheless, and severe stress for years, you know.
Speaker 2:And then when I moved to Toronto, you know I, within a span of a year, you know, I had some close family members die. I was getting married, I moved cities, I changed jobs. You know I was like just so much change, some of it good, some of it terrible, you know, but I was just under so much stress and then my stomach, gut, health started to go and then everything got compounded on that because I trusted doctors, I trusted the medical system. So, you know, I got put on psychiatric drugs, benzodiazepine, which is the worst poison imaginable. If you don't know what a benzodiazepine is, it's a, it's an anti-anxiety medication. It goes under the name usually typically Xanax or Razapam Klonopin those are sort of the brand names for it.
Speaker 2:And when I, when I got off that medication, um, I've never been the same since like just all shit hit the fan. It was just, um, you started something what they call mast cell activation syndrome, uh, which I think is really just a condition that's derived from leaky gut. You know it's intestinal permeability, uh, nervous system dysregulation, and when you have leaky gut, I mean it basically could sort of have this domino effect into every disease, every symptom that you could possibly imagine. You know there's nothing that's off the table. And literally living with dozens and dozens of symptoms, feeling like somebody's holding a gun to your head 24, seven for years on end, severe insomnia. I think the most I've ever gone without sleep is about 12 days where I don't think I had like one minute of sleep.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Shaking in bed, you know just the worst symptoms possible, know, um, brain and just horrific brain inflammation, like feeling like you're living in a, in a nightmare, like you don't know the difference between your nightmares and and living during the daytime, like I, I couldn't, I couldn't differentiate the two. It was like I don't know if I'm awake or not. It was just, you know, just, it was it, you know, I don't know if I'm awake or not, it was just, you know, just it was. You know I don't want to get too crazy into it, but I mean it's. It's like jordan peterson said you know, when you're going through that, there are things worse than death, and there were many years where I was just wishing to die and, um, I think my kids sort of stopped that. But I'll tell you though, man, uh, going through all that has been the biggest blessing in the world.
Speaker 2:Um, and this is the key component, and you know, I've been on different podcasts and I, I don't know, I I think some people they just they're not resonating. They think I'm talking like I'm a total crazy person. Maybe I am, I don't know, but I'm so, so grateful for severe chronic illness. It's the best thing that's ever happened to me bar none, and I think a lot of people who have been through it would say the same thing and they have. They have told me this I've talked to people that have had like stage four cancer and they're like, thank god I had stage four cancer, like thank god I had that like, and it's just wild to me to hear people say something like that. You know so, uh, when you have gratitude for your struggles, I mean that's when growth really begins and that's when I've seen a lot of growth in my life.
Speaker 1:So you can't. You can't have appreciation for a beautiful sunny day If you don't even know what. You know what a tornado or whatever. There's destruction, there's all these things. You got to have that yin and yang sometimes and uh, when you get thrown into situations like that and you do come out on the other end, you're just like wow, there is that new appreciation for life and you keep going and for you, you're helping other people. Now you're helping them with coaching, you know wired for healing. How are you getting people? Like when people come to you with the main things that they're looking for, cause the biggest thing is like you're talking about brain retraining as a piece of this. How does that come into play when people have some, you know, issues going on?
Speaker 2:Well, it's a huge factor. This is where people usually turn me off. Tony, I'll be honest with you. You say brain retraining. It sounds very woo woo.
Speaker 2:Typically, if it's your brain stress that gets you into a state of chronic health deterioration or chronic conditions, whatever you might be dealing with, it could also get you out of it. You know, if your nervous system is upregulated, there's a lot of different processes that go on in your body A lot of inflammatory processes, upregulation of stress, stress hormones, norepinephrine, adrenaline, cortisol you name it Inflammatory cytokines that get activated Generally. What causes the disease state? I mean, if you really think about you know, poor gut health. Okay, well, you know stress will lead to inflammation. Inflammation will lead to degradation of your gut lining. It'll lead to a less vagal tone, which has been states. Your vagus nerve gets affected, which basically is the longest nerve in your body. It affects digestion, your heart rate, everything. The longest nerve in your body. It affects digestion, your heart rate, everything. So if that stops working as properly, your motility slows down, your stomach acid production slows down, your belly and your intestines start to degrade. So you're not able to assimilate nutrients as well. You start getting gaps in the tight junctions of your gut lining. So that's really the path to the disease state, um, and what they call leaky gut, and I really think leaky gut is the foundation of of most disease and to be honest, and then you know, basically what we do is we do nervous system regulation work um, try to get stop the, which is really basically just stopping the inflammation. And when you do that, your body's able to recover, your vagus nerve is able to start working again, your stomach acid starts to increase, your villus atrophy starts to grow back and your hormones start to become regulated. So there's just, you know, it's sort of the way back to health.
Speaker 2:I think the problem is is that everyone's looking from the gut up. Everyone talks about when you fix your gut, you fix everything else. We're kind of of the approach of well, it kind of starts here first and you know you can't separate the gut from the brain and you have to work both in conjunction. You can't separate the gut from the brain and you have to work both in conjunction. You can't separate the two. So we do a lot of things. I mean we work on circadian health, we work on diet and nutrition. Our head coach, Courtney Voss, is a nutritionist and she's a GAPS practitioner. She's a lot of different certifications in different health segments, but she also is brilliant with circadian health. She's brilliant when it comes to brain retraining and really that's what we do. But the most important component to Wired Free Healing is community, community, community, community and that's why I started these retreats. That's why I started Meatstock, because I basically just wanted to for people to hang out with me.
Speaker 1:It's. It's. It's very interesting too, cause I mean you, you just said it as well you know, when people go into, uh, an elimination diet, one of those one things that they talk about is, you know, brain fog is gone, because, you know, oh, I've healed my gut. Therefore, my mind is, I have more clear headed, I have no brain fog anymore. I feel really, really good. But you're doing it, you know, kind of in tandem or the opposite of retraining the brain to affect the body for you. You know when and this is my other question too did you wean yourself off of these medications? How did you start to kind of take back your health.
Speaker 2:Well, my health isn't completely taken back. By any stretch, I would say that I'm far better than I was. Uh, however, I'd say on most days, the way I feel normally would probably send most people to the emergency room. That being said, I did not wean off of the benzodiazepine and then I got back onto it and weaned off of it very quickly, so I didn't do that properly. I'm still on this poison, which is duloxetine, and I'm trying to wean off of this. It's probably I wean off of one bead a month or once every four or five weeks I take one bead out.
Speaker 2:I still have 96 beads to go. So there is that and that's probably why I haven't healed completely. It's a process, man. You know it's been a big process. I mean it started with carnivore and that helped with a lot of my symptoms because you're not getting all that toxicity from vegetables and anti-nutrients and you know it's your. Your gut begins to heal a little bit, you know you're not eating high histamine foods, you're not having crazy reactions anymore and your nervous system begins to regulate. But when I started doing the brain retraining stuff, I started work on my brain and my stress. That's when things really started to heal for me. And of course there's other things too. You know just a lot of these lifestyle interventions getting some exercise, working on my circadian health, grounding, fasting, fasting's been huge because that's really good at, you know, healing, inflammation and community, and really that's it. Those are sort of my pillars for healing.
Speaker 1:How's the physical, like the physical activity now, as you're, you know, as you're saying, you were sick before. Is it slowly starting to come back?
Speaker 2:Well, it's not great, it's. I bought a weight bench and I bought some weights, which is a lot. That that's huge, because I, you know, working out was my happy place. Like I said, I've lost 80 pounds and it's not wasn't. I wasn't fat, you know, I was built and I was, uh, you know that was my happy place, working on the gym every day. But I bought some weights and and it hasn't gone over very well, it really stresses out my nervous system. So I'm trying to work my way up to that. Right now I'm kind of doing a little bit of cardio training. I'm doing a little bit of boxing, just kind of sparring, that type of stuff, and I try to get the rollerblades out. That wasn't so easy for me, but I'm doing my best. I'm starting to gain some weight again. I started eating a shit ton of butter, so I just I'm just plowing down that goat butter. In about span of about two and a half months I put on almost 20 pounds.
Speaker 1:That's amazing, yeah, since Hacker.
Speaker 2:Health since Hacker Health. I've put on about 15 pounds since then, so I'm starting to gain some weight again. So I'm hoping that, you know, once I keep putting on more weight, maybe I'll be in a position where I could maybe start trying to work out a little bit more. But that's still a ways away where I could do that.
Speaker 1:And it's amazing with this, with this diet, you know, uh and I'm not a hundred percent, but you're fairly carnivore, if I'm correct you a little bit more animal based as well.
Speaker 2:No, I've pretty much gone strict carnivore again. Going strict carnivore, yeah, the only thing is because I do get severe acid reflux sometimes. I do have like no calorie mints. It's like throat lozenges just to help. I have a few of those every day. But aside from that, I'm strict carnivore and it's mostly a lion diet with organs is both basically what my diet is. So lion diet, organs and uh and butter.
Speaker 1:Nice. And yeah, there's two aspects of. A lot of people get into carnivore for aesthetic reasons, losing body fat, what have you. But then there's this other camp of healing autoimmune issues, trying to put on weight. There's like a whole spectrum of carnivore and it's crazy that it's right in front of us but yet we get referred to doctor, to doctor, to doctor, to this thing, that person, the other, when most of it is just our nutrition.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, it's terrible. I mean the stuff that our doctors should be telling us, but aren't. I mean the amount of people that we could save. And this is partially why I do this right, this is partially why I do this for job. I mean, you know, people can't be saved unless they want to be saved right, or if they could get themselves out of that sort of matrix like bubble that they've been living in.
Speaker 2:I think for me it took getting so sick before I was willing to sort of remove myself from that matrix and thinking outside the box a little bit.
Speaker 2:And when I first heard about carnivore I was on a beach in Hawaii, if you could imagine that. I was on a beach in Hawaii and I came across Jordan Peterson's book, which somebody was reading a fellow Canadian on the beach and um, and then when I started getting into George Pearson that's when I started learning about the carnivore diet I said what the hell? You know that sounds stupid. It's probably going to make me worse, but it can't get much worse from here. So I just did it, you know, and I've had some setbacks from other things, but the carnivore diet has been a miracle worker in a lot of ways for sure, and I'd say the best thing about the carnivore diet has been that it has lifted me out of the matrix, since really opened my mind to a lot of other things in terms of just my thinking on politics and and the medical system, and you know just the way we live.
Speaker 1:you know more ancestral type living yeah, I have a lot to thank for that I, I get so front, like I get frustrated when we talk about this kind of stuff. It's like, oh, it's a conspiracy theory, like no, like it doesn't benefit the system as it is right now, if to make us healthy it benefits us to keep us, keep us sick and keep us returning customers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I always. I keep talking about my dad. My dad and my stepfather both had bypasses. You know they put them back on the same crappy diet that got them there, and they've both. You know, after the initial surgery, you know you do the cardiac rehab and all that stuff. They're watching what they're eating a little bit more. They lost weight within a few months. They've gained it all back, if not more, on a laundry list of pills every single day. That's their life now and it's like what? Like what are we doing? And they, they had a traumatic experience, open heart surgery and yet they're still doing the same stuff because they feel like, oh, I could just go back and they'll fix it up again and then I'll be all good.
Speaker 2:It's like, well, I can't, I can't stand it dude, I am probably the most hated guy in America right now and I used to keep my mouth shut, but I'm like you know what. I'm not going to do that anymore. You know, I'm just going to speak this from the rooftops. I don't give a shit. People hate me whatever I'd say. Ninety, nine point, nine, nine, nine percent of the time, everyone thinks I'm a crazy person and they don't listen to me. You don't know how many people I've come across.
Speaker 2:Cancer is something that I'm very, I'm very, you know, motivated to help people with. You know, cancer is a big one because I've just talked to so many people on my channel that have sent their cancer into remission through metabolic therapy. I had this one guy. Unfortunately he did pass away but he had several years of of extension on his life from doing a high fat carnivore diet and doing the metabolic therapy approach of like glutamine inhibition, stuff like that, and it's just, it's been huge. It's been huge, you know, and like the amount of people I've tried talking to that have cancer, like just in my normal life, and they don't listen to me ever. I don't think I've ever had one person listen to me where it's like I show them studies, I point them to podcasts, point them to all of these people I've had on my channel, like Guy Tenenbaum, who had stage four prostate cancer. Stage four prostate cancer went to his bones for, crying out loud was in his liver. Ok, he cured it through doing a 40-day water fast. And he did a 40-day water fast and then he after that he was ketogenic completely cured his stage four cancer no chemo, no radiation, no toxic treatments at all. Unbelievable, unbelievable, and there's been many stories like that. It was uh, there there was another guy I talked to I can't remember his name right now. He had a glioblastoma. Glioblastoma actually responds better to keto than any other cancer, as far as I know, because that specific type of cancer feeds pretty much solely on glucose. And people with glioblastomas are curing their glioblastoma left and right using metabolic therapy and to me, the saddest thing in the world is seeing a little kid.
Speaker 2:You know they're pumping full of chemo and radiation stuff like that, just destroying their immune system with these toxic therapies. You know how many people die of of? Uh, what's the, what's the? The wording, how they use this? It's so corrupt. Um, they say, died from complications of cancer. Well, complications of cancer that's from these toxic therapies that they're using. That's from chemo, that's from radiation, that's from these, um, oh, what are they called? Um, hormone therapies or whatever the hell they are? Uh, and they kill people. They kill people, they destroy your immune system. People die on these toxic therapies. More than more, I'd say, more often than than not, they're dying from these toxic therapies than from the cancer itself, or it's really accelerating their, their rate of death. And, uh, I'm not saying metabolic therapy always works, but it seems to me most of the time, and and pretty much every person I've spoken to, it's at least prolong their lives to a pretty good extent along their lives to a pretty good extent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, vinny, uh, vinny Toderich, you know he had a stint of cancer. I think he was like they gave him like four years or something and I think it's like 17 plus years later it's come back. Um, I talked to him very recently and you know he was like, yeah, you know I I'm going back through chemo again, but you know his diet's in check, he's eating right, he's like I did a. You know I didn't do a hard workout but I worked out this morning. You know, like he was still doing his thing and he was said he goes, I feel good. You know I'm going through this and because the cancer came back, but, uh, it's just wild.
Speaker 1:You know, people with sirs, um, I don't know if you ever um heard of trevor griffith's story. I don't know if you ever heard of his. Yeah, so they were doctor to doctor passing him around, couldn't figure anything out. He was like blacking out, like while he was driving. He was like forgetting his wife's name, like it was a whole thing, and he was just like he goes. I don't even know what I'm gonna do anymore. The doctors could not figure it out. Um, you know, but they ended up pegging sirs tried carnivore, got onto carnivore and just flipped his health. Now he runs a gym in uh ohio and he's just. You know he's put muscle back on. His mental clarity is there. It's like a mckayla peterson too. You know switching. You're a young kid, you can barely walk have I think she had arthritis and like their hip or maybe even a hip replacement and, you know, eat strip lines every day and is great Right.
Speaker 2:Well, it's dude, it's all about what. How much money's in it? How much money's in it? No doctor's ever going to prescribe this, except for some of the great doctors that we know. Of money's in it, no doctor's ever going to prescribe this, except for some of the great doctors that we know Dr Kiltz, dr Shafie, dr Baker, you know whoever else but no mainstream doctor will ever promote this. In fact, not only will they not promote this, they will tell you you're going to die, you're going to get heart disease, you're going to get cancer, which all my doctors have told me.
Speaker 2:I went to go see a gastroenterologist. I mean. Imagine which all my doctors have told me. I went to go see a gastroenterologist. I mean, imagine my ex-wife and I'm gonna emphasize the word ex in there is a heart doctor. She's a pediatric cardiologist and she used to tell me all the time she's not supportive of this diet at all. She used to tell me all the time I'm gonna give myself heart disease because I'm on this stupid diet. You know, and lo and behold, I mean 90 something.
Speaker 2:Percent of my diet for the last three and a half years has been fatty red meat and my CAC score is zero. You know, my cholesterol is through the roof. My CAC score is zero. All every test I've had, my CRP has gone way down. My CRP used to be hovering around two, I think it was. This was a few years ago, and now it's a 0.3.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a pretty good inflammatory marker for checking, especially for your heart health, right? Isn't that strange? Hmm, why would red meat cause my inflammation to go down right? All my inflammatory markers are down right. So it's dude, it's, it's the biggest. That.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing, and this is why us carnivores and sometimes, don't get me wrong we could sometimes go a little bit overboard and the conspiracy theories and stuff like that, right you're, people are injecting monkey blood into you, you know, when you go to the doctors, whatever, I don't know, there's all sorts of crazy conspiracies out there. But this is why we start thinking outside the box. This is why we start to have a better understanding of the world, because we think about this. We think about huh, this is interesting. Okay, all I had to do is eat ribeyes and my autoimmune condition went away. My cancer went away. My anxiety and depression I had for 40 years went away. I was able to lose all this weight. My heart health got better. Everything got better, which is a complete opposite of everything I've learned since birth from my parents, my teachers, from my doctors, from my friends, from the media, everything. Everyone's telling me this shit's going to kill me. Huh, what else are they lying to me about? I?
Speaker 1:I as a, as a healthy, I used to teach health in high school and I I showed the kids, uh, forks, I, I admit it, I showed them forks over knives. I showed them food ink, uh, you know, I was like oh yeah, I look back on your c all that fucking yeah, all that flicks propaganda yeah, I mean we were.
Speaker 1:We were watching different things. That was the big push. Even the nutrition books that I had for the high schoolers. You know saturated fats are bad. You can't have them, and this, that or the other, and it's just like. It's like you don't know what to trust anymore. And when you were talking about, you know all these people are going to say are not going to support you. It's like, well, I can't even remember the study I think it was a Harvard study where if you eat more than two servings of meat in a week, you can increase your chance of getting type two diabetes. For me I don't think I'm mistaken there it's like some type of a serving amount, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you know, tony should replace her with fruit loops. Yeah Right.
Speaker 1:Fruit loops over. Yeah, fruit loops, oatmeal and whatever over steak, steak and meats at the bottom Dude listen.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I could talk about on your channel, but talk about I'm really there's so much bullshit out there.
Speaker 2:Man, come on like I. I hate to talk about politics, but I'm already the most hated guy in america. For you know, basically every time I go to a store, anyone, anytime anyone tells me about condition, I tell them about this. This is why I'm saying the most hated man in america. First off, food is like like a religion to people. You start talking to people because I have a fitness business in Toronto. Still Now I'm not a trainer anymore, but I do talk to a lot of people about nutrition, stuff like that. It's like a religion. If you tell people they can't eat their oatmeal anymore, people are going to drop you like a hot potato. You know. But I getting to everything. You know all these tentacles about the truth. I mean. First off, corporations have their pricks in your back pocket at every corner. You know, and we see that with the food scheme, the food pyramid scheme and all that stuff Eat your 10 servings of heart, healthy grains, whatever it might be. You know. Now we're seeing it in politics and you know, I don't know, I'm assuming most carnivores are probably at least centrist, maybe right wing, I don't know. I used to consider myself to be a liberal, but I think I've been pushed further to the right because the left has gone so insanely left that makes every other person look like a crazy right winger, and we see all this stuff. You know, I mean, look look at some of this stuff. I'll list off a few things. Right, let's list off. Like the assassination attempt with Trump a couple of weeks ago. Right, you know, there's so much crazy shit there. To me that was like the Epstein or Jeffrey Epstein, you know, murder or whatever. It's suicide, whatever you want to call it. You know the cameras just happened to be off, the guards fell asleep, or whatever. Or suicide, whatever you want to call it. You know the cameras just happened to be off, the guards fell asleep, or whatever it was like, come on, you know, fuck off. You know, like it's such bullshit. Oh, the roof was too sloped, sloppy roof. We want to send our people up there. You know it's like. You know, again, fuck off. This is all bullshit, you know. And then you have, and, and then, and then you have.
Speaker 2:They had the debate earlier than a lot earlier than usual. You know they've been trying to push, they have this plan to push Biden out for a year now. We, everybody saw it coming and to say, oh well, they're panicking. They threw Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris. Literally the day that Biden quit was the day that Kamala Harris was starting to do these rallies and she already had her ads out. I mean, this was a big plan for months and months and months and months, right, and now the media you saw, the media was on board with trashing Biden. All of a sudden, kamala Harris is the darling of the media, as if she's just been so great for the country for the last three years.
Speaker 2:The economy is doing well. We don't see anything. Inflation's come down. We don't see anything at the grocery stores anymore. The prices are low, right, gas prices are low. We go to buy a house? Oh, no worries, we're all doing great right now.
Speaker 2:This is according to what the media tell us, right, and Kamala Harris has played such a great role in keeping our economy and our border. The border is just a right wing conspiracy. You know there's there isn't millions of people pouring in. All these people I see being dropped off in buses in Tampa. It's all just in my, it's all just in my head, you know. So I'm seeing all this stuff and my brain is like a lot more awake than it used to be, and I'm seeing that this, literally, is the matrix that we're living in. It's it's the matrix People are living in, this bubble, where their whole world is created for them. It's it's not created by them, it's a whole world created for them of complete and utter bullshit.
Speaker 2:And I was watching this documentary what the bleep do we know? And I always thought it was a bit of a stupid documentary. I don't know if you guys have seen this, but no, uh, they're talking about. There's some case, there's some, you know, historical, historical, I don't, I don't even know what you call them. The brain, my brain fog would be pretty bad. This is why I rant like this. But, uh, explorers, there are people who are exploring and we're talking hundreds of years ago and apparently they they said natives couldn't see the ship because they had never seen a ship before and they just kind of ignored it. Or they didn't even see it because they, their brains, can't process what a ship was or if there's any danger, whatever it was. So the explorers came and they enslaved them and took it over. Blah, blah, blah. I don't know the whole story, but you get the idea.
Speaker 2:And when you present these ideas to people, it's like it doesn't compute. Nothing computes. It's like they don't understand what you're saying, like they can't even fathom that cancer can be cured through a diet. They can't fathom that eating steaks could cure an autoimmune disease. 99.99999% of people aren't receptive to it and they'll never listen to you. And this is getting nowhere. That very small minority of people, that one in a thousand that you talk to, is going to listen to you. And if you're like literally saving one person's life, that makes it all worth it to me and that's why I'm going to keep talking to people.
Speaker 2:I don't care if people think I'm crazy. If people think I'm crazy, they're probably not people I'm meant to be friends with. Anyway, I don't give a shit. If you're living in the matrix, I'm sorry. Like I love you. You could be a great person, but we're probably not meant to be friends. This is why I'd rather hang out with people in the carnivore community, because we understand each other, we get each other. You know we have different sets of values. We have different sets of ideas where our minds have been opened through whatever channel. Some people it took getting really sick. For me that's what happened. For some people it just took losing weight. Maybe they wanted to lose some weight. Some people they're just like I just want to optimize my health. I've never had any health problems. Those are the smartest bunch, because it didn't take a swift kick in the ass to get them here Right. So I admire those people where they're just. I just wanted to try it out. It's like what you just wanted to try out the carnivore diet, are you fucking?
Speaker 1:nuts. But to your point though, though, because you're sharing these stories and you're talking to people, there is this grassroots movement and these stories are connecting with with a lot of different people through social media, through podcasts or whatever, and you're right like if you're connecting with one person, one person listens to you and they do that. But because we're doing what we're doing, I always forget. I was like why do I have that pocket? Why do I? Am I even doing any of this stuff? And it's like you get that one dm or that one message of somebody. Hey, I'm starting to exercise more because I saw this, or I'm starting to the carnivore diet because I heard you guys talking about this.
Speaker 1:I have a friend that is now doing. He's more animal based or whatever, and I probably said this on the last podcast I just recorded, but it's important. He had like severe eczema all of his life since he was a kid and he just kept hearing about carnivore, carnivore, this, you know, autoimmune issues. So we switched to a lot of fat, red meat, you know, and like a little bit of fruit, and he's like it's gone. I don't, I don't have anything. He goes like I'm so pissed off because all my life I've been putting on steroid creams and all this and jacking myself up. All I had to do is change my diet. I shit, I would have did that when I was a kid. Um, but because he heard it through people like us. And that's this is. This is the work that we need to do and we have to. We have to put the information out.
Speaker 2:But that's it, dude. So that's the thing, right? It's like our messages is reverberating out there because we have people now like hire, people who are like celebrities getting onto this. I saw a picture of oh fuck, what's that actor's name? That really badass bald actor, jason Statham. Jason Statham With Anthony Schaefer.
Speaker 2:Like apparently he called Anthony Schaeony to go hang out at his house because he's like I want to learn about the carnivore diet. We have joe rogan like talking about carnivore diet a lot, getting all these carnivores on his channel. I mean, it's the biggest podcast in the world. We have the biggest modern day philosopher, jordan peterson, talking about carnivore all time. Right, like it's getting out there in the mainstream and I think the more we keep pushing, the more we keep pushing, the more you know, when you have millions of people talking about it, eventually it's going to get out there, right? But we're still in the infancy of this and this is a great segue.
Speaker 1:Meat stock You're going to have, uh, you're going to have a bunch of know to us. They're celebrities, they're rock stars. Talk about I. The last one wasn't too far along, if you could talk about last year and then kind of what you're looking to do this year well, actually so.
Speaker 2:Uh, the last one. It wasn't even last year, it was two months ago.
Speaker 1:The last one, yeah may.
Speaker 2:Uh, it ended may 4th, so, yeah, it was like two and a half months ago. That was. It was great. It, dude, it was for me. I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it again. I kind of did that in a very dumb way. I basically had three months to to do that whole thing and it was just chaos. Chaos, like people didn't see that, thankfully for the most part, but, dude, it was like the biggest chaos for me over that three months and, um, and it was great, like Sean Baker came and Kelly Hogan and and um, a bunch of others.
Speaker 2:You know, I I don't know I came to think right now, but there's a lot of great people Dr Keltz and Sally Noren and other people as well. I just love it so much. I'm like I want to keep doing this, but I want to grow it into. I want it to be like just a thing where we we just have like as many people there as humanly possible. You know, I just want to have a shit ton of people there. So I was like, okay, we need to have more celebrities. Like now we have ken berry, come in nisha's, come in nisha tisos, I need to. No, she's not coming. Actually I invited her but she kind of she she couldn't make it. Mary ruddick is coming. She's one of my favorites she's. She's actually one of my coaches. We have dr boz and sean's coming again and kelly's coming again. Oh, steak and butter gang. Yeah, a whole bunch of people. Dr vadia, I know he was on your channel um.
Speaker 2:So a lot, of, a lot of really cool guests are coming to this thing and it's basically retreat, so you actually get to live with these people. It's not just like your regular hack your health, like I, like your accurate, accurate Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing anything. I think all of these are great and they're all different and, you know, have pros and cons to each one. But it's a very different experience from like hack your health. We were kind of like going in that massive warehouse, uh, listening to speeches and stuff like that. This is like you live with them, right. So you're like living with sean baker. You're eating beside him for five days. You know you're all sitting around a table eating food together and you know, waking up and watching the sunrise and working out with each other, and you know it's a much different experience, you know, and it's a much more of like a family type of experience, like where you walk away from this feeling like you have like 100 new family members, you know. But this year we're doing a little bit different because we're going to have a convention on top of that. So last year we did do a lot of speeches and stuff like that in the cabin. It was kind of a smaller type thing. This year we're doing it where it's going to still be, have that intimate cabin retreat feel, where you have like 100 people there and it's. And then we're also doing that weekend convention, so over two days, where everyone's going to be doing their speeches up on a stage at a separate venue. So now you have the option of coming to the cabin retreat and convention or just coming to the convention. You could just get a weekend convention pass, same as you would for hacker health, at a fraction of the cost. So, yeah, it's a really cool experience, man.
Speaker 2:And I have to say, you know there's the old saying, like you know, you should never meet your heroes. Sometimes that's true, I've met a lot of my heroes and sometimes they're the biggest assholes you've ever met Like. But pretty much everybody in the space, you know, 99% of them have been the most incredible, fucking loving, most caring people, even people who you, you know, you might suspect, people who, like it almost seems to me like the bigger name you are, like the nicer. You are, in a way, people out there like ken berry, like coolest people in the world, like just down, completely down to earth, nicest people asking you. Know they ask you like anything I could do to help, let me know I'll do whatever it takes. You know what I mean. Like they just want to get the message out there or they have good intentions, you know. Like it's, it's. It's been absolutely amazing. It's been so heartwarming.
Speaker 1:I always talk about it Like anybody that has like a podcast. We'll be chatting or whatever. You know, casey ruff and I'm just like oh he's awesome dude casey's the man.
Speaker 1:He's the reason I got into this, because he was my carnivore coach back in the day, uh helping me like with uh training for an iron man on carnivore, because I just didn't want to do it the other way. I started carnivore. I'm like I'm not going back. How did that go for you? Fantastic, great. Again. The we're talking about propaganda earlier. Whatever I've done marathons prior to that and I was the I mean I'm talking pasta dinners the night before carbo loading. I'm about to crap my pants in the corral ready to go for the you know, and then I got goos on me.
Speaker 1:I got shot blocks. It's just so crazy. And then, once I went, I went to keto, covet hit and I was like like keto is cool, but it's a little complicated. I'm like, is this a, a net carb? Is it not a net car, whatever? And I was like you know, I'm gonna go carnivore. And I, just after covet, I gained weight. And so I'm like you know, I'm just gonna go carnivore and I started doing that, start working out. You know, and I was. You know, I'm just going to go carnivore. And I started doing that, started working out, you know. And I was like you know what? There's nothing freaking to do in Chicago. Everything's shut down.
Speaker 1:So, I, you know, I'll just start training. I really want to do an Ironman, I want to get off the bucket list. I was really inspired by some of my friends that did it. So I did it and I was like I think and I'm ballparking that and there's coaches that wouldn't work with me. They're like, if you're doing this, what the hell is carnivore, you're going to die. People just kept telling me you're going to die out there, you can't do it. No carbs. And I looked into doing more research with Zach Bitter. I don't know if you're familiar with Zach Bitter. He's more of a ketogenic athlete, but he has the 100.
Speaker 2:Is he the one who started UCAN S-Fuel? I think he does S-Fuel.
Speaker 1:Sounds familiar. Yeah yeah, kind of the same principles you can in S-Fuel, but I think he still has the indoor 100-mile record. But it's doing more of this fat-adapted way of life and I felt great. I wasn't like hungry, I wasn't bonking I would do. You know, my training was great. My recovery was awesome after leaving that and having conversations with casey after the fact, like post-race stuff, I was like this is, this is the way to go, this is the way to live, like if you could complete that kind of stuff with no carbs, you could do anything.
Speaker 2:You don't need them you know and cheap energy.
Speaker 1:Energy versus you know, good energy yeah, and if you want to add things in your diet and whatever and you want to do animal based or what have you like, I'll have fruit time to time, but it's very sparingly. Uh, 90, 90 to 95 is just red meat, salt water, coffee and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2:You know something. I'll throw something out there, because I was talking about conspiracies earlier. You mentioned COVID. You know a lot of people are talking about how, you know, their health was severely affected by the vaccines, and myself included. Like I, did not have a good reaction to the vaccines at all and I'm hoping I'm not getting your channel in trouble here, but but everyone's talking about that, you know. You know, what else you know, I think is really overlooked is people's effect from just being isolated dude and talking about community. I think I don't know if it's so much the vaccines that was hurting people's health, because everyone blames the vaccines or shedding, or whatever it might have been. I think it was more of the social isolation which had way more of a health impact than any of that stuff.
Speaker 1:That was one of the lowest parts of my life was when we were just shut down.
Speaker 2:I was because.
Speaker 1:I'm a teacher, pe teacher. I'm teaching my PE classes via Zoom no interaction with the kids. The kids aren no interaction with the kids. The kids aren't interacting with each other. It's like, it's crazy. I actually had to go to Austin, texas, because our school shut down again for like a second wave of COVID. I'm like shit. So I rented a tiny house, so happily it's pretty funny that Casey stayed in it. At Hack your Health this past one. I was like he's like I'm in a tiny house. I'm like did it look like this? He goes, yeah, I go. Yeah, I stayed there for two weeks, like two years ago or three years ago.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I was doing there just because I needed to get out and do things with people and Austin was open and Chicago is just like it's cold. It's dark sunsets at like five. I had to get away, but it was a big thing. Some people liked it, you know they love working from home. I get that. But I'm a teacher. I interact day to day with kids, faculty staff, all day, every day. On my feet, you sit me on a couch or a desk to do my job, when I've gone X amount of years every day, moving and grooving and talking to people.
Speaker 1:That was rough, that was I don't really talk about it a lot, but that was one of like the lowest points in my life and I gained a ton of weight. I just wasn't eating right. I was drinking, you know, at the house, ordering pizzas and a combination of everything, and I just I felt like if I didn't change right after that cause some people from COVID you had went two ways. You either, like, started really taking care of your health or you just kept on doing what you were doing while you're isolated and went one of the two ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I I saw that affect people's health more than anything. You know, the social isolation. I think that's one thing that's really been the worst thing for my health. You know, like I'm I live in Florida right now I don't have too many friends here like to be honest with you, you know, and uh, you know, sometimes this, this one I'm talking about, you know I'm paying people to hang out with me.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:We got to get most beautiful kids. I got a lot to be grateful for, man, I'll tell you, like, just getting back, I like to always come around to this like dude gratitude for struggle, man, challenges, that's what you got in, you know, it's like I almost say like you know, it's what people should be striving for in their lives. Right Is to to go through struggles, to go through challenges. I'm not talking about getting deathly ill like I was, but people, you know, I think that's the biggest problem is people are always looking to stay in the comfort zone. They want to be comfortable, right, they want to. They want to sit down and watch Netflix. They don't want to do uncomfortable things. You know, and, um, I'd say that has been the biggest gift for me in terms of doing these hard things, like not only being sick, but like doing these things that are hard to get myself out of that, like doing the brain retraining stuff every day.
Speaker 2:Going on the carnivore diet. I know some people are like, oh man, life got so much easier when I went carnivore. Like, I guess it is to some degree, but for me anyway and I know for a lot of people getting on the carnivore diet to begin with was not easy. That was not easy at all. Like I'm cooking food for the kids, like I have addictions that I that were so cemented in me for 40 something years, right, so just to go carnivore, like that just overnight was just not. You know, I was like trader joe shoveling in fucking peanut butter at 10 o'clock at night. Like that's not, that was me, you know. So addictions are real. But you know, to do these hard things, like fast, you know, even when I was 110 pounds I was doing like 48 hour fast, you know, like I couldn't even move my muscles. Like I know energy my body, like my muscles, wouldn't work but I was fasting because I knew that was going to help my gut get the inflammation reduced, you know, and so I'd be able to eat more and then put on more weight.
Speaker 2:So having to do these really hard things has has made me in. In some ways I feel like, at least compared to who I was, like superhuman, and I'm not nearly at the level of the person I want to become, but I'm getting there. You know what I mean, whereas before, had I not gotten sick, had I not learned about carnivore and all this stuff, I'd still be in the subway every day. I'd still be drinking every weekend with my friends. I would still not be doing anything to get myself out of the comfort zone. I'd be probably working at some stupid job that I hate, like I did for decades.
Speaker 2:So my whole life has changed, man. That's why I'm saying that I'm so grateful for all the challenges I've had, because I've met the most amazing people. I've learned the most incredible things. You know, I've become such a stronger person, built strength of character. I have so much more appreciation for life when I'm having a good day, even when I'm having a bad day. My bad days now are nothing compared to what my bad days used to be. So I'm like looking around now. I'm like look at the sky. I'm like, holy shit, the sky is so beautiful. The trees are so beautiful, the grass you know what I mean Like everything is just amazing, you know. And like you love everything. You love everybody, love everything. You love everybody. I'm still working on my anger issues. I definitely still have some anger issues. I'll throw that in there. I ain't perfect, but I'm working on it, you know dude you're.
Speaker 1:You're a badass man, like the mental fortitude to be where you were and to where you are now, and it's so you're saying like you still got work to do, the race ain't over, you still got to keep trucking, you know. But a lot of people when they're backs against the wall, that they feel like they're stuck.
Speaker 2:That's, that's when it, that's when it shows who, what you're made of, when you're backs up against the wall.
Speaker 2:What do you do? Do you go cower in the corner or do you say no. For me, anger was a big driver. For me, I'd be like no, fuck you. Either get busy living or get busy dying. I'm going to get busy living. I'm a success story. I would tell myself that over and over and over and over again. I'm a success story. I'm a success story. I would tell myself that 100 times a day because before I'd be lying in bed jealous of people who were success stories, I hated them. In a way, I say fuck them. You know, I can't be. Why can't I be like that? You know, over time, I'm like no, I am a success story. You know what I mean. And I would just tell myself this shit every day, lying in bed, feeling like shit, whatever. Eventually, it's like you know the person who says they're ugly every day. They look at themselves in the mirror and they say I'm ugly every day. Well, sure Shit, you're going to believe that soon enough.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And like so you got it. You got to fake it till you make it. Sometimes I know it's not the most you know earth shattering thing I'm telling you here. You knew all this, but I think people just need to get hit over the head with it sometimes, you know that your perception brain fixes your body your perception of yourself.
Speaker 1:If you perceive yourself that way, that's how you're going to be. Uh, what is it the whole the michael phelps thing? Every time he goes underneath the doorway, have you ever heard that? He'll like say something to himself every time you go underneath a door, through a door, doesn't matter where it's at, door jam, and he would be like I'm the best, I'm the best, really. Um yeah, he would say those things and just literally, just keep continuously. And it was just like I'm the best, I'm the best Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he would say those things and just literally, just continuously and it was just like clockwork Every time he went through a door, jam opened a door. He's telling himself like something to give him that edge, just to have that confidence but I mean, you're doing awesome work, you know, Wired for Healing Meatstock, all that stuff. Super excited for all of this.
Speaker 2:Uh, where can people find you if they want to get connected with you? Yeah, go to meatstock2025.com. Uh, we still have about I don't know 30 of the retreat tickets left, so we're running out. Um, so if you guys are interested in attending that, you could buy a ticket for that. Uh, if you want, we have lots of convention passes weekend convention passes left, so you could sign up for that. If you want, we have lots of convention passes weekend convention passes left, so you could sign up for that. Wired for Healing we're actually revamping the program right now, so we're not open for business, but you could go to wiredforhealingcom.
Speaker 2:Courtney Voss. Man, dude, if you should have anyone on your channel, get Courtney on your channel. Man, I feel like I've never met and or heard of court. Check it out. Oh, dude, like I'm not saying that, you don't even have to talk, mention a word about wired for healing. Just just talk to courtney boss, she's, she's your girl. But uh, dude, I really appreciate you. Man, I had a, I had a blast hanging out with you at uh, hack your health and uh, I'm really hoping we could get together more often yeah, I mean likewise and I appreciate you taking the the time and coming on here and chatting, and we'll definitely have to meet up.
Speaker 1:I'm looking, I got to swing some stuff. I got to see if I'm going to be available. It's at the end of May. It's because it's at the end of May, right.
Speaker 2:It's no, it's well, it's May 15th, May 19th. Or the 17th and 18th for the convention. But I'm going to all sorts of stuff. I'm going to, um, I'm going to, uh, the beef roundup thing, um. Bella's wedding is coming up in in August and then, uh, september, we have a Charlotte meetup, which is a big Charlotte meetup, with Kelly Hogan and kilts and a few others. Nice, you got the carnivore cruise in february. I'm doing that. Um, I think there's a low carb cruise to alaska, I don't know when that is, I think that's in, that's in april or something like that, and then meat stock.
Speaker 2:So there's a lot of shit going on. I'm sure there's even more than that. I'm going to the keto summit, orlando with dr kilts uh, next week as well. So if you guys are looking to get out there, you want to just hang out with people. It's the best experience. Honestly. Don't sit around thinking about doing it. You don't have to come to Meatstock. There's lots of other shit out there. Just do it. Just get out in the community and it's a blast. It's great.
Speaker 1:It's amazing. Well, scott, this was awesome Till the next time. Well, scott, this is awesome till the next time. Can't wait. Thanks a lot, man. All right, thank you everybody listening to primal foundations podcast. Thank you all for joining us. If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe, like and share. See you all next time on the primal foundations podcast.