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Episode 48: The Path to Healing with Ivy Sardi
Join us for an inspiring conversation with Ivy Sardi, a passionate advocate for the carnivore lifestyle and natural medicine. From his Italian upbringing in Australia to overcoming addiction and finding redemption in prison, Ivy shares his journey of resilience and transformation. He explores the benefits of a carnivore diet, fasting, and the surprising role of unconventional foods like kangaroo meat, while exposing the misleading nature of food marketing. Whether you're curious about carnivore eating, fasting, or seeking inspiration for change, this episode offers valuable insights and practical takeaways for a healthier, more intentional life.
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Today's guest is Ivy Sardi, an advocate of the carnivore lifestyle and a promoter of natural medicine for health. You can find more information about Ivy on his Instagram at IamIvySardi. Ivy welcome to the Primal Foundations podcast.
Speaker 2:Hi Brian, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I caught your episode on how to carnivore and I watch your Instagram. You're doing carnivore cooking videos and tips and fasting stuff so I thought I had to get you on. And so you're coming to us for Australia like talk about how was it, you know, growing up in Australia and what was kind of your life like.
Speaker 2:Growing up was, I'm going to say, just a normal, a normal life. You know I didn't. I didn't go without, but I didn't. You know know I didn't get anything on a golden platter, it was just an average life. You know as it was and, yeah, just went to. You know your high schools and things like that struggled with you know, academic side learning and and getting into place with those things, played heaps of sports, played soccer, played basketball. Actually came over to the States when I was in my young teens, played a few tournaments over in the States, high schools and stuff like that, and I always thought that was going to be, that's me, that's my life, I'm making it to the NBA, but yeah, you know, just things growing up was normal, always sports and activity and things like that, and schools and all that fun stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was the food like? Because I think I got that right. You come from Italian background.
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 2:I do I do so your typical pasta, your pizzas, all the good stuff, so to speak. I always grew up on that, even in sports, like you know carb up, carb load, all those sort of things. And then, obviously, when we're getting into very sport-specific weight training things like that, I've always been taught to basically like carb load and it's always been a whole food diet always. I've never been, you know, ice cream, lollies, candy, all those sort of things. Yeah, I guess for me, obviously, the pastas and pizzas were always a big part of my you know culture and background Out here, like I'm italian background chicago and same same thing.
Speaker 1:Sports too. You know we would do the football dinners. Right, you would have, uh, american football, yeah, and uh, we do the football dinners like pasta, carb load and you know, I think my performance I always never felt very good. You know, eating like that, but just that was the normal, that's what we were told to do. I think it wasn't until wrestling. You know, I had my own struggles with weight of wrestling, but when I would go in to tournaments and like cause we have to make weight, so we wouldn't eat a lot the night before we'd go in, I just kind of like I really try not to eat too much because I, you know you got to wrestle in an hour. I always felt really good that way versus just pasta and pizza and like chicken sandwiches and things like that. Going into you know about 2019, like right before kind of covid you, what was your life like at that time?
Speaker 2:That was like in the gist of where I was super unhealthy doing, you know, doing dumb and bad shit. I got caught up in you know, party drugs and things like that. I was hanging around the wrong people. I was getting real deep into that sort of lifestyle. Just bro, that was like right in the mix of everything you know I wasn't talking to family or you know real true friends that wanted to do you know good things. You're hanging around people that, unfortunately, are stuck in that same sort of lifestyle. I always say you end up becoming a product of your environment if you stay there for long enough. And that's what I became. I became someone that was no ambition, no drive, no real goals. I became a drug user. I became, you know, I was selling drugs. All those sort of things all worked hand in hand because I was around it 24-7. It was only a matter of time before I became that thing.
Speaker 1:It's your identity, right.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 2:You know, and not only that, the drug use on top of that makes things a lot worse, especially when you become an addict, which I did become. I became an everyday user for five, six years of using substance. So once that took place in that sort of level, that brings out a totally new identity. You know what I mean. You are no longer in control anymore. You don't control your thoughts anymore. You are no longer in control anymore. You don't control your thoughts anymore Not saying that I blamed, but a mask comes up and you never really get to see the real person.
Speaker 2:You know it was never really me. My thoughts and my feelings were masked by all these things and unfortunately I couldn't get control of that. I couldn't break away from that for quite a long time and it was tough. Do you know what I mean? And I guess the realisation of that happening was when I went to prison. Me going. There was a blessing for me and I'll say it to the day I die that for me was a blessing for me because that was the gateway to get me out. That was a gateway to give me the second chance I needed, not just in stopping what I was doing, you know my health, my life, family, friends, just everything.
Speaker 2:It was a new opportunity for me because it took me out of that environment. It put me in, basically, you know, isolation. Take you away from all the shit and just process what's happening. What's happening in here and what's happening in here. You haven't really got to understand what's happening for such a long time. So me going in there, let me process how I'm feeling emotions, trauma, anything that was coming up and it gave me that opportunity to deal with it.
Speaker 2:And me dealing with it was being in there, training, getting back to training. You know, having years and years off of training or gym or anything going in there, you know, start from the basics. Your body weight stuff couldn't do squats, couldn't do push-ups, couldn't do nothing. You know you've got to from someone who played sports as a young kid. You've stopped, completely gone unhealthy. You know you're using drugs and alcohol for a fair bit of your time and absolutely killing yourself from the inside out to then having that taken away from you, then put in there and then go. Okay, you've got to start from the basics. Do push-ups, squats and sit-ups. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:I honestly could not do them bro, wow, did you have access like at that time?
Speaker 2:were you able to use, like, act like any gym facilities at there, or it was just basically no, no, so it was just basically, um, like kinesthetics, bar works and chin-ups, some dip bars and a few little things like that, but that's it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, getting it started, you know.
Speaker 2:That's right. As we know, when you're younger, how do you start? You start with doing sit-ups, push-ups, those sort of things. So it was literally back to basics, start with basics, and it got me through. It started, it fired up that journey again from when you're a kid and you got a bit of that drive and that motivation to push harder and things like that. It started again when I was in there and I continued it on. It was hard, like it broke. It was hard, like I'm telling you I could not do push-ups, my arms were shaking, I had no cardio, like I was a full, fresh person that's never trained in your life. And just every day, every day, every day, just keep doing it. And before you know it, I looked back and I was like fuck, you've been doing this for a while now, like it's actually you're smashing them. You know what I mean? You're doing like 200 burpees a day. You're doing 200 push-ups a day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're smashing them, smashing them, and I'm just like you come far, like keep going.
Speaker 2:You know, like wait until we can go train in you know, real gyms and move some weight. And just that drive stayed with me when I come out and I'm like, okay, let's keep this going, because it's the one thing that's helped you. You know, you're basically in the trenches, you're in hell. You know, that was my promise to me when I was inside. There was this moment. I always talk about this moment.
Speaker 2:I had a little mirror on the wall and it was the first time I got to see myself sober in. After you know, five, six years so in prison, I was all banged up and stuff, sober, first time sober. I looked in the mirror and I just said, what the fuck like? Just it was just that moment. Just gobsmacked, you took it all in. You were, you could take in what you were looking at, seeing, feeling, memories, you name. It was all just coming to me. Now I think I stood in front of the mirror for so long hey, it felt like days, but I was just it. It just it came to me and I just said what's the one thing that you're going to do in here that is going to make the difference, to get you out there and stay out there, and it was training, it was looking after myself. So that's where that sort of that fire, that drive came, and I knew that I had to continue that path when I come out.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming the food was not very good or like I'm probably processed like package stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's no different than like that I've seen over in the American jails. You know like you're getting your, your meager noodles. You're like it's just shit the. The food that you're getting and you're able to get most of it is processed junk food. I'm not sure about over there, but here we can spend money to obviously buy out some of our food, but most of the food that you are available to get is like tim tams oreos packet of chips. Like you can buy all those good things, good things but you can't sit there and buy chicken and beef. You can't get it. The only thing you can really get is tuna.
Speaker 1:That's just cans of tuna.
Speaker 2:It's just man. I had a wall of tuna.
Speaker 1:It's. You know you go in, in, you got this new fire. You know a whole different outlook on life. You get out, you know you're. You know the training isn't one thing that helps you, but where does the nutrition piece come in? You know how does carnivore fit into your life? You know, is there somewhere where you saw that and it was like, oh, that's not, it seems about right. Like uh, like uh, the joe rogan, sean baker, it's like a big one for everybody um for me.
Speaker 2:Well, prior prior to, obviously, when I was younger, I was studying, uh, pt, nutrition, you know, be a, be an online coach and all those things. I was already in the process of doing that while I was playing sports, because obviously that was what I wanted to do, but obviously life took its course and I got thrown off that topic. So when I come back out, I was like maybe I should finish what I started. You know, continue that path, continue studying, continue learning. Let's, let's make something happen, let's do this. You know you're on, you're on a good thing. So I continue to learn and study that. But also I had an incident when I got arrested. I got badly beat up. I was put in hospital and obviously, when they did all their reports, they said that I've got a lot of ulcers and cysts all in my organs, all in my stomach, all inside bad, and I can basically put it to all the drug use and the abuse. So that was a bit worrying to me. Bad, and I can basically put it to you know all the drug use and the abuse, so that was a bit worrying to me, especially when I come back home. You know, I'm just like man, I've got all those problems inside. What are we going to do? And without even looking up or researching or making a decision of doing a carnivore, from everything that I could learn and put together, I thought let's just eat meat. I didn't know this carnivore thing was a thing. I just.
Speaker 2:I was very big on Aboriginal lifestyle, african tribes lifestyle. I always looked into those things. Island people lifestyle, you know, hunter gatherers, all those sort of lifestyle. I always looked into those things. Island people lifestyle, you know, hunter gatherers, all those sort of things. I always was very particular at looking at their lifestyle because most of them don't get sick and they live really, you know, simplicity lifestyles, which I love. So I looked at that and I'm like, bro, these guys are just eating meat and they're not eating every day. They're going out, they go hunt their food.
Speaker 2:The first thing they do is cut it, cut the animal open. They eat the organs on the spot. Then they'll carry the carcass back to the tribe, cut it up and give it out to everyone, and then they do that the next day. Sometimes they don't eat the next day, so it's a couple of days. So I'm like that's how I want to live. I want to do that. Let's give this a go. And I've just done it. There's no questions asked. It was a mindset as well, obviously, because of where I've come from. Everything I was doing was just I'm all in, no, nothing and I just started. Every single meal breakfast, lunch and dinner was kangaroo, kangaroo kangaroo kangaroo, kangaroo dang, I, I don't.
Speaker 1:I've never had a kangaroo. I you know, I I mean, I don't even know how to. How would you describe kangaroo? Just the same as like regular beef nah, it's um, they call it gamey.
Speaker 2:It's a gamey meat, it's. Some people think it's really. It's got a really strong smell. Some people say it's like it's really chewy, but I think it all no different than beef. It all depends on how you cook it. If you're a good cook and all those things, it makes a big difference wow that's.
Speaker 1:It's so crazy, like to think that you know you just did this off the cuff, kind of like not off the cuff, but like yeah, I'm gonna eat like this. You know, I I feel like I was just talking about with a lot of people like how carnivores being it's really popular now, there's so many people sharing their stories and there's a lot more information being given, and so you did it kind of intuitively, like this sounds right to me. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. So you start eating just kangaroo. Well, you know, breakfast, lunch, dinner and so what were some of the things that were starting to happen to you? You know physique-wise and how you're feeling.
Speaker 2:I get asked this a lot. People are like oh so, like how did you go with the adaption phase? And you know, did you get really low energy? And I'm like I didn't, because maybe it is a mental thing and I didn't think about it. I didn't say to myself, hey, I'm doing this new diet, I just said I'm just doing this, that's it, it's the new way. I didn't feel nothing. I didn't feel no energy. I didn't get any symptoms. I didn't get any constipation, diarrhea. It was just like an instant change. But the biggest things I noticed was better digestion.
Speaker 2:I had a knee replacement when I was in my 20s from basketball, always struggled with squatting, leg exercises, kneeling, crossing my legs, all those things, weak hamstrings because of that. Now there's no pain. Not saying they're, I'm not saying they're super strong, but at the moment they are. I'm back squatting 165 kilos, but no pain. That's the biggest thing. There's just no pain, you know, so that you know the inflammation. It's not there.
Speaker 2:Digestion way better. No bloating or you know the food coma when you eat and you just instantly it zaps the energy, takes the energy away from the carbs. None of that happens anymore and the biggest thing is constant energy, no matter what Everyone says. You know, you've got ADHD, you've got so much energy. I'm like, bro, this is just life, like this is just a life. And the mental clarity and I talked about this before I said there's no way I could be doing what I've been doing now starting the business clients, getting on podcasts, training and having these phone calls every day. There's no way I could be doing this, having a healthy, whole food, carb diet.
Speaker 1:I just don't see it happening. The inflammation is a huge piece. Most of our chronic issue lifestyle diseases are causing from inflammation and that's one thing that people talk about with carnivore. So any elimination diet is like, oh, I had my knee pain or joint pain or whatever gone, and it's not even like like months, like sometimes it's like a week or days and like, oh, my knee doesn't hurt me anymore, which is crazy for them. It's been something that's been bothering for years. Again, the mental clarity to it's you're not always constantly thinking about food. You know if you want to be productive, you know for me, you know I'm training and podcasting, I work, I'm teacher. Like I do all these things I'm not caring, or I see people at work or other. My boys. They carry around like big ass bags of like tupperware and food all day. I'm like how the hell do you even eat all that?
Speaker 2:it's insane and that's funny, but like I come from that, like I don't know if you do, but like I, we used to do that. We used to carry your food and have it all in containers and make sure you got enough for the day and oh I just I don't know how to go back, like to even go back to that. Like I don't think, like it's crazy to think that that's how we used to be always eating every couple of hours, making sure you know, panicking, you're thinking you're gonna waste away or something yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:If I don't, if I don't have this protein shake and if I don't eat my chicken and rice, I'm gonna lose all my muscle gains. And why don't you go to the gym, you, you know?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny enough you say that now, because obviously I'm a big advocate for fasting and I love experimenting with the human body. I think about a month ago I did a 10-day water fast and a lot of people are just questioning like how is this possible? How are you not dying? How are you not wasting away? How come your muscles aren't? You know? Nothing happened for me in that 10 days. I lost four kilos, which is nothing for 10 days. You know I've seen people do 10 days and lose 10, 15, 20 kilos, but for me that's nothing and I look at it okay. So you lost four kilos, which can be fat, muscle, water, inflammation and waste in your colon. So if you divided it by all those things, it's not much in each of those categories and I'm a big believer in fasting because of these tribes.
Speaker 2:That's how we should have been. You know we weren't we, us humans, made the fridge. We made things so easily, like you and me can get up right now and walk to the fridge and go get food. It wasn't meant to be like that. It wasn't meant to be that accessible. You know, we were meant to earn our food. You know, like these tribes, that's why I was saying when they go hunt food, they might not come back with something. It's not the end of the world. They come back to their families. You know, they do their little dances and then their little ceremonies at night and then they go out the next day and try again. They might not get it. They might not get something for two or three days. They don't waste away. If you go, look at how they're built. They're super lean but they hold their muscle mass and you mentioned.
Speaker 1:You know with those tribal, you know with the tribes, you have like this community aspect and you also have people that are contributing to the community, that are well into their 90s. You know, and they're doing things or they're, you know, making quilts and they're helping with preparation and they're helping raise kids, preparation and they're, you know, helping raise kids.
Speaker 1:like how many like in the united states, like how many 90 year olds are still like contributing to, like everybody else in in this environment? We don't see that, but because of the way they eat that, because of their lifestyle, they're, they're, it's, they're living to 90, but it's quality life. It's not like, yes, you're not on the bed or taking pills every day. They're, they're, they're actually living a quality life till the's. Not like you're not on the bed or taking pills every day. They're actually living a quality life till the later ages, yes, yes and that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:People ask me. They're like oh, but like, what's your goal? Like, you know what are you trying to achieve An extra five or 10 years? I said you know what? It's not about that five or 10 years. I said it's the quality of my life. I said we shouldn't be sick. Most of us are getting symptoms and sicknesses as early as 30. And then it starts to get real chronic between 40 and 50. And then they're thinking 60, 70 game over. So it shouldn't be like that.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like that 50 years ago. There was no cancer, diabetic, all these things. It wasn't around. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, so you need to start looking at what's changing Food, the way we grow it, environmental factors, toxicity in the ground, the soil, the environment all these things play a big part. You know what I mean and you know the elderly people. They were really healthy. They weren't working around with, you know, canes and sticks and wheelchairs and they were still walking and doing normal things like they were when they're 40 and that's how it should be. And when you go, look, like you said, at these tribes there's people that are 90, 100 and they're still there in the kitchen, you know cutting up their fruits and doing stuff with their hands and making things. They're still getting a part of it, and that's how it should be.
Speaker 1:You know everything that we put into our mouth is either going to work for us or against us, and you need to decide what it's doing every time you put something in your mouth with, and that's the thing is like this this connection to our food has been lost over the years and, as it's starting to get back when people come to you, you know, to talk to you about, you know, diet, nutrition. What are some of the you know, modern food issues that you see is the most prevalent with people that you're working with?
Speaker 2:The biggest thing is people are not knowing and understanding the actual food label and ingredients. That's the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing I preach is just read your actual ingredients. What is this food made up of? A lot of people are thinking, oh, but I'm having, for instance, electrolytes. A lot of people are like oh but I'm having, for instance, electrolytes.
Speaker 2:A lot of people are like, oh, I'm buying these electrolytes, they're good. I'm like, okay, actually read what is in this electrolyte. And there's fructose, there's fucking corn syrup, there's sugars. I'm like there's no point having this, it just defeats the purpose. Do you know what I mean? And the main ingredients for your electrolytes is derived from sea salt. So why not just have sea salt? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and it's the biggest thing I see is they just look at the front and go, yeah, this is healthy. But it's knowing what it's made up of is going to be the big just doing that everything you eat, everything that you put on your skin, if you read that label, what it's made out of just making that conscious decision is a game changer itself.
Speaker 1:The food in America at least, like the food labels are just absolutely ridiculous. And you got food that has lots of characters on it in the front and it looks inviting and the kids like want it and they're going to harm their parents for it. I mean this has been going on for years. But we have some of the same uh food packaging in other countries and they have like warning labels with like a skull and crossbone on it, which is out of control yeah, it's like ours.
Speaker 2:Obviously yours is the worst. America is the worst of the worst. Ours isn't too bad, but it's still so on the back of ours. Normally they will say let's say it's sugar or something. But the problem is now is they're giving sugar so many different names?
Speaker 2:They'll give it 10, 20, 30 different names and they do that with every other thing. So if there's a chemical, it has 100 names, so you don't get used to that name. But what happens with us? We have they put the name, say sugar, and they'll put a number next to it in brackets and normally if you go on Google you can look up that number, which is a preservative, basically saying, hey, this is what it is warning, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So normally what I tell, basically saying, hey, this is what it is warning, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So normally what I tell people is if there's something with a number with a bracket, it's basically saying warning.
Speaker 1:There should be a light going off.
Speaker 2:Yes, it should not like. Don't eat it. There's a reason why they're putting a warning on. There is because they've obviously done tests and they know that it's not good for you. Yeah, period, period, I don't care. If it's in 0.0001%, I don't care, because you're going to have that two, three, four times a day for the next five, 10, 20, 30 years. Something's going to go wrong. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Something's going to go wrong. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Something's going to go wrong.
Speaker 2:And that's where I guess people can't look that far into the future and actually understand that concept, where I get a lot of people saying isn't a can of coke a day, okay? Well, it's, it's okay. Is it going to kill you on that day? No, but if you're having a can of Coke for 20, 30, 40 years, yeah, if you don't think that chemical is going to cause problems inside your organs, having it every day for 20 or 30 years, like, where do you think the sickness and problems come from? It's not an instant response. It's because of gradual toxicity buildup, problems, you name it. And that's the hard thing that they can't see. They can't see that 20, 30 years in front and then go.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was that can of coke every day for 20 years. The crazy, like you were saying. Like there's so many different types of sugars they're putting into it, so like they're not creeping up to the top of the label which has the most you know what is it actually mostly made out of? They're all at the bottom, like a sucrose, a dextrose, a os, os, os, all across the board. I'm like what the hell is half this shit? Like I don't even know. It's not even food and yeah, and it's you.
Speaker 1:You the way you said it too earlier, like I can't believe we used to eat like that and how it made us feel, but we just years ago. At that point in time, there's no really information. We're just being told like this is okay, you should have this, you should have that. And like sweets in moderation are fine. Like sweets in moderation are fine. Well, if you're having a Coke a day plus you're having sweets in moderation, plus heavy carbohydrate meals and processed and ultra processed meals, which is the normal, that every day is gonna cause havoc on you.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And it's not only that. It comes back down to those ingredients. Those ingredients, the sugars, the chemicals, the preservatives. They're literally in all those other things. If you're eating that every day, you're having those chemicals five, six, seven times a day. Now now times that by 2030 years it's, it's uh, it's very eye-opening.
Speaker 1:when, you like, I, I walk into the grocery store. Now, if I'm getting things, and you know if I have to go to the meat section in the back, I'll go through an getting things. And you know, if I have to go to the meat section in the back, I'll go through an aisle, right the outside aisles. I don't know how this is like one thing for america, I'm not sure if it is the same, but like the outside aisles are typically like your produce, your veg, like your fruits, and then, um, the back end is like the, the meat counter, seafood, whatever, but the middle aisles are like all of the processed shit and literally that's the entire store, just without the outside.
Speaker 1:And if I have to walk through, I'm walking through and I'm just looking at all the boxed food and I'm like looking and I'm like it's not even food anymore, like it's not even food. And I'm just walking through and there's people just loading carts and I'm nobody to judge anybody. So I just I'm just sitting there keeping my mouth shut, but I'm like this is just a crazy way to live, you know, but this is normal for, unfortunately, most people in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is crazy, and ours is set up the same way. Now, what I? Now, what I do is I can't help myself. All I want to do is educate people. All I want to do is educate people. When I'm there and I can see someone's approach or whatever, and I'll just be like, hey, like how come you're choosing that? And they're like, oh, I don't know. That's the answer. They don't know why they're picking that. They just looked at the box and gone. Yeah, I'm like, okay, if they're picking milk or something, I'll be like, hey, how about you try this one? And they're like, oh, why is that? I'm like sweet boom. And I just educate them and I show them about the ingredients and things like that, and they're like no way. I'm like yes, and just instantly they're like wow, okay, I'll try that sweet. And I'm happy, I'm good. I walk out of that shop smiling Dude that's cool.
Speaker 1:I feel like I get punched in Chicago. They'll be like get out of here, guy. What are you doing? I?
Speaker 2:don't know. I just can't help myself because, like, especially with, like, moms and kids, I see, like what they're putting in their trolley and I'm just going, what the fuck man Like why? And you ask them why they don't know, they don't have an answer. They're just like I just I just get it and it. It bothers me sometimes and it's tough too, is thinking, like you said, like you know us, we were growing up on this. Yes, there wasn't enough information out there, but the other thing too is, you know, we got taught this in school to eat this way. Do you know what I mean? And it's shit, unfortunately, it's really shit. And the other thing too is, like I like to say, is we don't notice the harm, the feeling, the sluggishness, the bloating, because we ate this basically from the get-go. So when we were a kid, we would have experienced these things, but we wouldn't have known. We wouldn't have known any different.
Speaker 2:But for me, especially now, being on a carnival, when you try and have those things back in instantly, I tell everyone I've experimented while I've been on my carnivore journey. I've gone animal-based and strict lion diet, I've tried incorporating, you know, a gluten-free pizza. I've tried, I've tried all different things, just to see how my body responds Within two to five minutes instantly feel shit, bloating, no appetite, sluggish, just off it Like instantly sick. Sometimes can't sleep at night, like a drug hit from the sugars. It's nasty, it's really nasty, and you would have felt that when you were a kid. But you would have known. You would have known that feeling is coming from the food, because you've been having the food the whole time.
Speaker 1:I've said this multiple times on a podcast. It's just, you don't know how good you feel because you never ever felt that good and it is. It's a very I don't want to get like spiritual, but it kind of is like, and that's the big thing why I think that's why people like you, like myself there's a lot of individuals out in the world that were feeling like shit for a very long time and didn't really notice it until it was too late and I went through my battles with weight gain and weight loss and a bad relationship with food man. It was just bad. I mean, I've gained and lost the same 50 pounds probably a handful of times and uh, but I've never. I'm in my uh, late mid, oh, shoot, I guess mid 30s, I'm 36, but I feel better now in my life. I'm stronger, I'm faster, like my, my, my performance is way better and I feel better than in my early 20s, when most of the time.
Speaker 1:That's not the case. The case is you're getting to your mid-30s, close to your 40s, and you don't feel as good. You're just oh, it's old age. No, I feel better than I ever have in my life and I don't see it stopping.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. That's exactly exactly right. Like we shouldn't be sick and ill and feeling the way most people do at that early age, you know, like 20 year olds, you know are starting to feel real shit or getting sick, or chronic illnesses, cancers, you name. It shouldn't be like that. Do you know what I mean it? It wasn't like that. Now you need to start looking at what is happening food, industry, farming, industry, like I said, you know the environment, toxicity levels. All these things play a massive part and knowing to try and you're never going to eliminate them because of the world we live in, it's impossible but knowing and acknowledging those different categories and learning about them and trying to keep everything to a minimum, you're going to do a lot better, a lot better what's uh, what's something or that you can start somebody off with.
Speaker 1:you know, that's looking just to live like a healthier lifestyle. Is it like I'm looking at products in my house? Is it like I gotta kind of just just not I house? Is it like I got to kind of just just not? I have to look at the nutrition labels, like where do I kind of start? Cause this could be like if you tell somebody all this, they're like I've been doing this forever. What do I do now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh definitely, definitely, obviously, your food. But you know, not that that nutrition label, not so much to speak with the carbs, the protein. What is made that food? What makes up that food? If it is not a one or two ingredient food, don't eat it, because most of the other shit is added additives, chemicals, all nasty stuff. If you don't understand what those things are, start learning about them, because they're the chemicals and toxins that cause heavy metals, toxicity buildup. They feed parasites. That's what parasites feed off in your gut. So you're basically feeding the germs its favorite foods. So that itself.
Speaker 2:And the same thing with your homeware, your cookware, learning the different chemicals that are in your Teflon pans and all those things, your PFAs. So learning cleaner products, learning in your shampoos, your consumables, your makeups, all those sort of things. That makes a big difference, especially when you're using them every day. It's no different than your food. If you're having this food two, three, four times a day and it's got this much nasty stuff in it.
Speaker 2:Or if you're putting that on your skin, it's going inside your bloodstream, it's going into your organs, your body's soaking it up, it's got to go through your body. So it's the same thing. You've got to look at what you put on your skin as well, not just what you put in it. So if you've got a bad diet and you're putting bad things on your skin, well, now you're speeding things up. If you've got bad utensils Teflon, pans, chemical products like that Now you're making it even worse. So all these things add up. So, like I said, if we can learn about them and reduce them, you're going to have a better quality of life.
Speaker 1:Sun exposure too is a big one, you know. Everybody's lathered up head to toe with SPF One. That stuff is a bunch of different chemicals, which is not the best, but then also you're reducing the amount of sun exposure you get, which has been, you know, proven over and over again that it's actually healthy for us and it's. It's great for our circadian rhythm and all of these things. And it's just crazy that, like, we're going to be covering up and a lot of people I don't know if you had this, um happened to you but uh, people that go to carnivore, when they've done fully carnivore and they're fat adapted and all that stuff they say I've never or I would rarely ever get a sunburn ever and they don't wear any SPF. But changing to a carnivore diet, they very rarely ever get sunburn. Yeah, that and a little bit of baked halal on the skin, a little bit of cooking in the sun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, you're right. And the other thing is I like to put on that too same thing If you look at African tribes people with darker skin that don't use any products or creams if any of them have cancer from being out in the sun, they don't have it.
Speaker 2:But they're in the sun. They're in the sun all the time, they're outside all the time. Then you need to consider is it the products and the chemicals that you're putting on your skin that is speeding this up, especially with the sunscreen and things like that? If you go read what's in the sunscreen it's like, bro, it's just nasty stuff nasty, and it's been proven that that stuff can speed up the chemicals in there. You know cancer-causing ingredients and things like that. So when you look at that, doesn't that? You know that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2:I think I met a Lebanese bloke on a job site a long time ago which was he was from Iraq and things like that. He had no idea what sun cancer was, skin cancer was. He goes it's not a thing like over here, like we're in the sun 24-7, working and we don't put chemicals and creams on us, and it just makes me think like, like, how can that be? What is it? You know the foods play a big role, but your environment and all these things it's the biggest thing I learned from. When you look at you know, these ancestral tribes and things like that, like it's crazy. You know, simple is easy and better.
Speaker 1:Being connected to the world, your, your food make a big difference yeah, and it's like stress is a issue too with a lot of people because, um, I was. I followed mark sesson's work. He does the primal blueprint and one of the things that he talks about is he goes the amount of play. Like we have this thing in our head that, like their tribes are hunting all day, they're working all day, they're doing it's like no, like they, if they go out and hunt, for sure they'll do some things, but like a lot of their life is play. Like six to eight hours of play as adults.
Speaker 1:You know when do we get that? You know that doesn't really happen as much unless, like you're really you know you're joining rec leagues, you're playing. I know you play basketball, I've seen you shooting a hoop but that's like a big part of those lifestyles is not to be stressed all day, not to get in your car, go to a cubicle, sit in the cubicle, get back in your car, drive all the way back home and then go sit on the couch Like that's not, that's not living all the way back home and then go sit on the couch Like that's not living.
Speaker 2:That's right. We weren't meant to do that. We're not designed to do that. We were designed to basically be outside, wake up with the sun, play with the family, the tribes and the people. Okay, sweet, it's going to be a good time to go hunt our food. Let's go out for a couple hours, come back we didn't get something. Play with the kids You're still out in the sun or start cooking and prep the food, and there's just activity and stuff outside where you know, ceremonies and celebrations happen and that's all in the fun and the play when they do that stuff, the dancing and things like that. So most of the time, yeah, you're right, they are outside playing, enjoying themselves, while they spend that little bit of time just to go hunt their food and come back and enjoy it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, and speaking of enjoying your food, eating your food raw. Now I've seen some clips. Do you prefer to eat raw, medium, rare? I've seen you kind of do a little bit of both there.
Speaker 2:It's a tough one. Yeah, I don't have a favorite, but I love raw, I love medium rare. I think I do it because it's just different. It gives you every time it just. I guess, once you be on a carnival for some time, variety is key. Variety is good, variety feels nice. So having between raw, frozen, raw, medium red, like it's just different textures, different tastes, so I'm all for it. Yeah, just, I don't do it for a particular reason. It's just more like it's just when you're creating a dish, it gives it a different vibe. So that way you're always getting something different. So I'm down for it.
Speaker 1:Some people have said like, oh, eating it raw, it's more bioavailable. I've heard people say like if you sear it a little bit like a medium rare, it's going to actually be even easier to digest and that's more bioavailable. But if you cook it like a hockey puck, it's not. It's not going to be nothing, you know kind of thing. So, um, yeah, some people go either way, but it seems like it's like a texture thing for you just to mix it up yeah, like I definitely can see and have seen and heard about, you know, being more bioavailable.
Speaker 2:I can definitely understand what they mean by searing it just for a couple seconds, because normally what happens is it? It goes funny. When you sear it for like a split second and keep it really red and raw.
Speaker 1:It goes really like mushy, like it's just so yeah, easy, yeah, it's like the fat kind of like renders a little bit. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So I definitely can understand that concept as well, but for me it's just yeah, mix it up something different, go for it like I've tried liver, heart, brains, like you name it I've.
Speaker 1:I went down the liver path. I'm not a not a fan. Maybe I'm cooking it wrong, I don't know. I'm not a fan of it. I've had heart before I've had heart. I've had liver, uh, but my, my main staples is just ground beef, uh, eggs and then like just ribeyes or new york strip steaks, like that's like my wheelhouse and I'm me. I'm actually anti-variety. I feel like I could literally eat the same thing every single day. So for me it's it's kind of the same same every day yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2:It's good. You said that because you there's, there's the people that just, they just can't do it. They, they need variety to keep them going, keeping interested, which is all right, but then you can get people that you know. If I said to you what is one meal you could eat every single day for the rest of your life, it's like easy, all day umbeyes oh yeah, every day, if I could yeah all day like easy, which um yeah. For me I guess like how long have you been carnivore?
Speaker 1:so this is going on five years.
Speaker 2:I would say, oh mad that's he's good, that's he's good. I think I'm coming up for three years. So for me, like it's just, I'm just so into a habit, no questions, no second thought. Like just eat meat, like whatever. Yeah, I can eat anything. I also get a good variety, like I've got some really good connects where I can get crocodile, I can get emu, I can get the the weirdest things. I can get bison, I can get deer. Mix them up. Like I can get most things which I'm just like whatever man yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 1:I, I like it's hard, it's not hard, I should say it's it's. It's costly for like from. I'm at Like, if I want to get grass finished, um, grass, grass fed, grass finished, uh, I would have to like and then get it from like a actual farm. Like you'd have to like, call them up, order half a cow or whatever, they'll freeze it, they'll ship it and it is a little pricey. So I would say, sometimes I do splurge on certain things, but for the majority it's really conventional, just just conventional meats. Um, I don't know if they have costco out in australia. They got costco. Yeah, that's my jam. I love costco. I go to costco and I just get. They make six pounds of ground beef at a time. They have the bundles. It's the weirdest like percentage. It's 88 12. To me that's my favorite, because 80, uh, 85, 15. If I just go to 88 12, I feel like you know, I can get my the proteins a little bit higher. That's the fat ratio I like and it tastes really good. So for me it's that.
Speaker 2:Or it's ribeye steaks and they're're just grass-fed but grain-finished and I actually prefer grain-finished because it's a little bit fattier and that's the reason why yeah, yeah, nice, so we've got Costco, but our Costco obviously isn't as good as you know, the OGs in America, but yeah, yeah, it's not as good as yours because I've been there a few times but we don't like get the variety that you guys have. Like. I've seen, like you know, on socials, a lot of people go on a costco for carnival and shopping and I'm like I'm going to costco and I get there but I leave with nothing. Yeah, I don't leave with anything because they're like there's not much variety, which sucks. Because I see you guys and I'm like, bro, I want to go there, I want that variety. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's not bad, but then again I'm super picky. You know I'll always try and stay away from grain fed, obviously. But the other thing we can touch base on with Costco I was going to say this before how we're talking about when you go to the shopping aisles and you just see boxes, boxes, boxes when you go to Costco.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you've ever done this, bro. I've literally gone to Costco and I've just stood in the middle of the shopping centre. I've just looked up, just crates and crates and crates of food wrapped in glad wrap and plastic. I just look around and I'm going where the fuck is all this food coming from, like it's been here for so long Now? Imagine all the Costco stores. Imagine all the produce, all the stock just sitting there in boxes and I'm just like damn. And then I look around and it's like you're just slow motion and everyone's filling up their cars with like all these cereals and shit and I'm just like it's so surreal, bro, I'm telling you I'd try it. Just stand in there and just look around. I've done it a few times and it it makes me feel like it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It's like you're the man it's like the matrix.
Speaker 2:It's like a matrix moment. Everyone's just flying past you with just all this like shit food and I'm just like whoa yeah, we've.
Speaker 1:We've really got disconnected from what it is um, or the things that really truly nourish us, and we've just really just everything is about business and product and how much can they sell, and it's so prevalent when you turn the TV on, it's prevalent. It's even crazier. I was home and I was going to watch a show on Amazon right, amazon Prime and I have Amazon Prime, but I still get commercials, so I don't even know what the hell that's about. But anyways, like you know, I'll make them find calls to Amazon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like dude, I pay for Prime. Why do I have commercials? But anyway, an Ozempic commercial came on right and it's just like a family or whatever. And they show, like the, the wife taking the oz epic, and then it was the husband and whatever. I'm like, what are we doing? Like we're gonna look back at this time and be like this was the craziest thing we've ever done as americans. Because, like people are I have no people that are on oz epic too that like, talk to me about it. They're like if I have something to eat, like if I put it to my mouth I want to throw up, I go like. And they're like well, it just I don't eat as much, or I barely eat at all. I go, well, yeah, you're gonna lose weight because you're not eating anything. But what is that doing to your body? You know they're talking about muscle mass, bone density going down, and we, as we know's like people that are in fitness, muscle mass is one of the best things that you can do for your body, for longevity. Now, we're taking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're now. We're taking uh, muscle mass away and bone density away and you don't even have, you don't even have a relationship with your food anymore. You don't even know what it is to like taste your food because you want to throw up. And it's like they had, like the, the commercial. It looked all playful and fun go on ozempic. And then the next commercial was for a different um shot. I forget. Oh wait, uh, wagee or whatever it was. It was another one back to back and I'm like, like you're saying, I felt like I was in the matrix red pill, blue pill, I don't know what's going on. It's, it's, it's, it's just it's crazy.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, but you said like. You said it, bro, like it's it's not about, it's not about health anymore, it's not about the, the purpose, it's about money and business. And that's the biggest thing I've learned and I guess once you, once you like, tap into understanding that and being open-minded I guess when you're in this, you know lifestyle as well you need to be open-minded. If you can be open-minded, great, like you're doing yourself, like a lot of benefits just being open-minded, considering carnival lifestyle, etc. Etc. Because then you know us, other people like us, can influence or just give you some more knowledge on other things.
Speaker 2:When it comes to which I'm a big, I've talked big about on farming, commercial farming. You know commercial animals. You know when you look at what are the main animals that are produced for commercial farming. Why? Because it makes money, you know, like dairy cows. That's why most of us have shit quality dairy, because the animal is now mass-produced to make money, so the quality of the food is shitter and it is. Do you know what I mean? You can't get a really good-quality milk or you can't get raw milk anymore, so they're just making all these shit milks, plant milk, all this other crap with additives and you name it because there's mass produced now. So if you look at chickens, chickens are super unhealthy, so sick and and crap is mass produced. But commercial farming, you know me. So when you start looking at those things not just food, but you know farming and commercial and business and making money and things like that it starts to unfold a lot of different things when you look at it in that aspect.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, yeah, and that's the biggest thing I started learning and talking to farmers, talking directly to farmers, and things like that. It's so different and it's good to hear it firsthand from the farmers that you know are doing the right thing, and stuff like that, just to get that inside knowledge, because that's going to having that knowledge is powerful, you know, not just in your own personal nutrition and understanding, but, just like I said, you know, having an open mind in changing you, in changing overall health, and things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and even if somebody doesn't want to be carnivore, right, if they're like that's not what I want to do or whatever. I think just the things that you were talking about is just really figure out where your food's coming from, have an open mind, be willing to like change some some ways you view food, because people don't view food as like nourishment, it's pleasure and enjoyment. So just a mind shift or just looking to eat healthier, cleaner, I think, at the end of the day, like that's. That's a way better way to live life than you know the current state of what we're at right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent, and it's a good point that you just said you know. You know, do you eat food for pleasure? Or you know pleasure and enjoyment or nourishment? And people ask me all the time what do you eat for? Do you eat for pleasure or nourishment? All the time, what do you eat for? Do you eat for pleasure or nourishment?
Speaker 2:I eat for nourishment, but I get pleasure from it now because I put in the sacrifice, the hard work and things like that. I crave a fucking steak. I crave a big, juicy red tomahawk. Do you know what I mean? When it's cooked perfectly, I just froth at it. Yeah, that comes with the journey. Yeah, do you with the journey? Yeah, Do you know what I mean? And now, like I always eat with a purpose of eating, do you know what I mean? To feel my body right, to feel good. It's not because, hey, I want to get a dopamine hit. Do you know what I mean? It's because I want to feel good. I want it to, you know, feed my muscles and help. You know my gut and digestion. Yeah, it's the biggest thing that I always get asked.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, once you do carnivore for a while, I mean that's something you look forward to, is those meals. But then if you do dip off and you have birthday cake or whatever you said earlier within a couple of minutes, you're like, I feel like crap, so you don't really want to do it as much. But for anybody that's interested in this, who are you looking for? That's somebody that wants to work with you. Is it people just in Australia or across the globe?
Speaker 2:I've got people across the globe. I've got people in Australia, I've got people in New Zealand. I've got people in Australia. I've got people in New Zealand, I've got people in France, america, italy, uk. So at the moment I'm global, global. I'm global.
Speaker 1:How can people get a hold of you? What's the best way to connect with you?
Speaker 2:Best way to connect with me is obviously on my socials. You can drop me a message on Facebook or Instagram. So Instagram is IamIvySardy and my Facebook is just IvySardy. Shoot me a DM. I'm more than happy to help you out. Point you in the right direction.
Speaker 1:Awesome, I'll put those in the show notes and thanks, man. This is a good conversation, this is awesome.
Speaker 2:This is good bro. I can keep talking forever. This is good bro.
Speaker 1:Like I can keep talking forever. I'm definitely going to clip the video of you Like I just want a fucking steak, Like that's going to get clipped for sure.
Speaker 2:Clip it, send me it, I'll plug you on it, I'll post it up. I'll do a little preview saying you know this is the podcast with you.
Speaker 1:And yeah, man, I'm more than happy to do that, bro, awesome, all right with you. And yeah, man, I'm more than happy to do that, bro, awesome, all right. Well, thanks again for everybody listening to another episode of the primal foundations podcast.