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Tea With TJ
A Spiritual and Artistic Journey With William Sinclair Moore
How do creative souls navigate the turbulent waves of life and emerge stronger? Join me, on "Tea with TJ" for an intimate conversation with William Sinclair Moore, an actor, new age spiritualist, and podcaster. William's journey is a compelling narrative of overcoming depression, rediscovering himself through multiple relocations, and embracing healing practices like tarot, yoga, and sound baths to enhance his personal well-being.
Ever wondered how artists turn their imaginative sparks into tangible creations? William and I explore the unique energy and creative processes that drive artists to bring their ideas to life. We emphasize the importance of nurturing the inner child, especially when dealing with past traumas, and share personal anecdotes that highlight the emotional baggage we all carry. With heartfelt stories about reconnecting with childhood through television shows and the transformative impact of therapy and self-awareness, this episode is a testament to the resilience and power of the human spirit.
We discuss the weight of words, the necessity of kindness, and the practice of gratitude as cornerstones for achieving personal peace and authenticity. Tune in for a heartfelt episode that celebrates resilience, creativity, and the healing power of embracing your true self.
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Hey friends, it's TJ, and you're listening to Tea with TJ, where our love for tea, conversation and self-improvement intersect. So let's take a deeper dive into my cup and let's have a chat. Hey friends, it's TJ. Welcome back to another episode of Tea with TJ, and today I have a special guest, Mr William Mower Howdy.
William :Welcome to the pod.
TJ:So if you, could just quickly tell me your story? That's my story.
William :No, I'm kidding. Hi, my name is William Sinclair Moore. I am from Detroit, michigan. Born and raised. I had two parents in the household. They were high school sweethearts. I went to school at Southern Methodist University, studied acting, moved home, fell into a deep, dark depression, moved to New York City stayed six months, moved back home, fell into a deeper, darker depression.
William :Then I moved to Connecticut with my ex, which you know, you met that was back when she was in or went to school at Yale. And then I moved to New York, again with my best friend, and I've been here since trying creating, exploring.
TJ:I don't think I knew that you had come and gone from New York that many times.
William :Welcome back when you moved to New York so young, I just didn't know anything. I didn't know what to do for work. I was just waiting to get yeah. That's why yeah, definitely get that.
TJ:I mean, the city is a beast sometimes, um so I'm so grateful to have you on the show.
William :I'm glad to be here also. This is really good.
TJ:You know, the tea is teeing here's the thing a lot see people sleep on the tea portion of Tea with TJ, by the way, we were having a masala chai today, but people really be kind of sleeping on it and I'm like I know how to pick tea. The whole purpose of the show is to also have a nice hot beverage for you.
William :Uh-huh, do you also? Do you have just like a cupboard filled with different types of tea?
TJ:Usually yes, yes, wow yeah. Different types of tea Usually yes.
William :Wow, I love that A little bit of variety.
TJ:But when we talked about having you on the show, I presented with you a bunch of topics to choose from and you chose air quotes, the many faces of you, kind of dissecting your front, facing personality or persona to the outside world, to family, to friends, creatively, professionally, which I think is a really cool topic to discuss with someone like you, because I have been witness to, both in person and via, like social media, kind of like, um, myriad of things that you do as a creative. So what would you say are like your top three, like personas that you inhabit?
William :I am beautiful.
William :No, I'm kidding no um, I mean, I mean, I would consider myself to be an actor, I would consider myself to be a spiritualist, a new age spiritualist to be specific, and I guess, a podcaster right now. But I dibble and dabble in so many different, it's really hard. I like taking pictures too. I love writing. I like taking pictures too. I love writing. I like singing. I'm scared to sing in front of people, but I really I like to sing too. Yeah, you said three, but I gave you five. No, that's fine, I love it. I love it.
TJ:It gives us more latitude. I want to go back, because I think there are portions of this, and this is exactly what I feel like. This is the perfect conversation I have with you. I don't think I knew about the spiritualist thing, so what? What exactly does it mean for folks listening and watching? What does that actually mean?
William :A healer a healer using many different modalities. I dibble and dabble in tarot, I do yoga, I play with sound bowls, just any type of way, like I talked about before. When I was going through my deep, dark depressions the two chapters of that I had to figure out how to pull myself out. Um, and those different ways were the ways that I did it, and now I use those as practices to like help me live more fully. Now I love that.
TJ:I've always wanted to, um, have a sound bath. I think is is the correct phrase, yeah, um. But it's always been of interest to me and I think I've spoken about this on the podcast before. That sound has always kind of been very present in my life and done something for me.
TJ:And I can't explain it. I don't know if it's like the vibrational thing or the frequencies or whatever it is, but when I was a kid I was drawn to music and as I've gotten older I've picked up on like the sound of whooshing trees in the wind and like the sound of rainfall and water rushing down like a stream or something. Um what?
William :first of all, I'm also going to say you're a vocalist, so that makes sense, yeah. And also you played an instrument right like you were, yeah, so that makes sense, so go ahead.
TJ:Uh, is that, do you like? I don't know how to phrase this because I've never experienced it. Do you take sound baths, or what is the correct phrase?
William :no, I mean that is it, but it's not like you're jumping into a tub. I mean you kind of are, because there's so many different sounds that can heal us. That's like when people uh, sometimes when people want to go to sleep, they use rain. Like there's certain different frequencies that make us feel different things. I remember, um, when I was in college, I watched an interview where Erykah Badu said um that in her first album she actually used certain frequencies in certain songs to make the listener feel different things. So it's, it's real. Take your sound bath.
William :Yes, uh that's so funny.
TJ:I've never heard anyone say take yeah, I was like I don't know how to phrase this because it is a sound bath and yeah, yeah, but it's. It's always been of interest to me because I think there is um, I have a friend that I spoke to you about before we started recording my friend, justin Nelson, who has also been on the podcast, who has a podcast called Adjusting Check it out. But he very much has entered into the space in his life where he is very much in alignment with his chakras.
TJ:And like making sure that those do not fall out of alignment and, if they do, making sure he can do things to get those back. And I have heard in my tiny, tiny, tiny research when it comes to sound baths, because again I want to do it. I haven't figured out where to go, where to start.
William :Hopefully Will you can teach me some things.
TJ:You just do it, you just do it, you just start, you just do it, you just do it, you just start. But I have heard stories and kind of seen some stuff online about just how that can actually heal you and get your chakras back in alignment.
William :Have you experienced any of that on your own? Yeah, I think the thing that I would say about chakras is that they're never fully in alignment. I feel like when we live as people like, let's say, I don't know, like I'm outside and I experience something, like I trip and fall or something like automatically that knocks me off my balance, the point of like the different spiritual practices is that it brings you back, but then something else will happen to you. Yeah, yeah, I always like to say that, because I feel like sometimes, when people think about healing, they think it's possible to just be like this all the time and just it's not possible. You know, I mean.
TJ:I can only imagine. I'm like thinking, thinking about my own life, where, in again, I am not well versed in this in this space, but in thinking about, like the crown chakra, my third eye throat chakra, I feel like my throat chakra is usually good you're well versed enough.
William :I'm still learning.
TJ:I'm still learning uh, I feel like what kind of like throws me off balance the most is my root chakra. I don't know why, but I feel like what kind of like throws me off balance the most is my root chakra. I don't know why, but I feel like that is the thing that like kind of messes with me, and so a lot of times I try to make sure that I am grounded as much as possible, but I feel like, because of the world we live in, because of the things that happen, that is always the one that I feel like I'm a little shaky.
William :It's all based in your beginning. That's why people, when they want to work on chakras and they're like, oh, like I want to start up here, it's like no, you always you need to start at the foundation, the root chakra, because that's where everything is built from. So the root chakra, when that's off balance, that has to do with family, it has to do with home, it has to do with literally the roots of your being, where you come from. So whenever you feel off base, there may be something off base and that or something that's unhealed from that place that needs to be worked on or being triggered interesting.
TJ:Well, that explains a lot. Um, that's wow, that's interesting. Thank you, I did not know that. There you go um, so with, with these different pieces of you that exist um what has kind of been, I would say, the most present or forward facing amongst all of them.
William :You mean like in my life I guess. I mean I feel like I'm always a performer. Okay, I remember, um, I was in New York and like auditioning and not booking anything, and my best friend told me she was like you know, like no matter what, like you're always a performer because, like you're born one, when you are one, it's just, yeah, it just is like you can feel it. When you see somebody, or like when you interact with them, it's like, oh, like they, they do this or they do art or something, you can feel it. So I think that I think I was born to do that and I think all of that sort of bleeds into everything that I do, even in just living, like I feel, I even feel kind of performative, like just walking down the street sometimes, because I think that's just how our brain works.
TJ:But yeah, absolutely, I was going to say, I think, the one of our first encounters. When we first met, I got the sense of even even though, because I want to say the first we met and like, went out to dinner for the first time. I had not actually interacted with you yet, but I heard of you and I want to say, whatever that encounter was I can't remember the restaurant that we were at, but I very much was like I feel like you're a storyteller, I feel like there's something here that you're not telling me, or, in this moment, you're choosing not to show, like I feel like there's something here that you're not telling me or, in this moment, you're choosing not to show.
William :Do you find that you kind of shield some of those pieces of you when you meet people or engage with certain people, like when we met? It was a very interesting situation that I was in because I felt like I was really battling with feeling like worthy of even considering myself to be a performer. When you experience so much rejection, when you experience people like not really seeing you, it sort of makes you feel like whatever whatever you know what I mean.
William :But, like you say, you can kind of feel it anyway. So it's not on purpose, but I think what you, um, what you emanate, has to do with how you feel and what you feel about yourself. Um, yeah, I agree, I agree.
TJ:I feel like there is something unique about an artist, a creative, a performer that you can sense. I agree with you in that statement that there's just something there that's palpable. What do you think it is? I don't know, but it's pure energetically. I don't know, because I can always tell, even when I'm not in New York and I go other places and I meet someone I'm like you're not I don't mean this in a kind of way, but you're not normal. There's something there. You're not normal, you're not average.
William :But that's real though, and it's no shade. But like I feel like there's an artist and then there's like an average person, I feel like artists, brains like it like, operates on a different level. I agree, yeah, which changed how we express ourselves and like yeah, yeah.
TJ:They're very animated, and I don't mean to say that in a weird way, but like very animated, very um, usually very present and very aware um, very observ, very observant um, and there is always color to their stories, which I love, because I'm like when you, when you meet someone and you, you know, encounter them for the first time, or as you're even getting to know someone, I feel like you, you have an opportunity to really kind of shape the perspective, not in a bad way, but you really get a chance to shape the perspective of you or the other person. And I feel like those are the moments where I'm like, oh, oh yeah, like you're, you're giving me like something special here that you probably wouldn't give someone else.
William :Yeah.
TJ:I love that. Um, would you say that, with these multiple parts of you, what has kind of either needed the most like love or attention or specificity amongst them, or what has needed like time?
William :starts crying. No, I'm kidding no, okay, what parts I'm gonna take. One of those words, huh, I I think a lot of the times I'm gonna take that question and kind of like I think I'm answering it. What I feel is I feel like in my artist self there are like different, different stages, if that makes any sense you with me okay.
William :So I feel like I'm really, really strong in the like, in my brain, in creation. And then the next point when it comes to like actualization, like actually taking it from here and putting it out here, that requires so much more work, so much more specificity and so much more love, so kind of like all the words that you said, I feel like when there's a part of your artist's self, or let's just say, your inner child, um, when it experiences a trauma, or it's told that it's not worthy, or it's told that it's not deserving, it takes work to bring it to a space where it's like, yeah, it's okay, like you're not gonna die if you put this out, no one's gonna hurt you, yeah, no one's going to harm you even if it's bad, yeah, yeah, which I'll be making nothing bad I don't like you know, but even if it was like, nothing bad is gonna happen.
William :Yeah, and I feel like, um, uh, my podcast saves the house down an audible original. Yes, um, that was a rebirth for me. Uh, like figuring out how to take an idea and actually put it out, because when you're a kid it's so easy. You're, you don't have all of that stuff or baggage. Yeah, um, so I think that that place within my artist self it needs even more.
TJ:Um, just pushing and coaxing and like work and love and yeah yeah, I say that is definitely something that I have learned in the past. I think almost a year of being in therapy and finally realizing that my, my inner child, is very wounded. Uh, and it's crazy, because I was talking to my best friend the other night and I was watching I Love Lucy. Why is the throat clear? Sorry, I was watching I Love Lucy and we were on the phone and he was asking me what I was watching and I was telling him I was like I'm watching Lucy. I realized in the moment I was like wow, I I'm deeply connected to the show via my childhood because I would watch it every night before bed and I knew if it was on I was supposed to be asleep um, that's me and Sex and the City, but keep going supposed to be asleep.
TJ:Um, that's me and sex in the city, but keep going, because there was um nick at night would come on and it was. I think it was. I dream of genie bewitched, dick van dyke, and then I love lucy and I think, because all of those shows are like half hours, so there was like a two-hour time frame and then I was like I have to watch lucy, like if I'm up, I got to just watch it.
William :Like you were up and you was grown. Okay, yeah, and this is.
TJ:this is like 12 year old me, yeah, um. But I realized how connected that show is to my childhood and how there's still so much stuff around that that I'm still discovering now. Um, but in this whole journey that I've had over the past year of being in therapy, I've realized I was like there's just so much baggage that I did not realize was there that I'm now, you know, pulling shit out of the suitcase and trying to figure out.
TJ:What do I do with this? What do I do with this? Oh, this makes me feel some kind of way. What do I do with this?
William :Exactly.
TJ:Um. So it's a very interesting place to be and I think the more we can as artists, as creatives, the more we can acknowledge that and be present with it. I think most of us will will come out the other side better than we planned.
William :That, now that I think about that, that visual of like taking things you literally in a can I curse?
William :yeah, a clusterfuck of like being or experiencing, like being triggered and stuff like that, like you really don't know what to do with all the feelings, so it does give yeah, sorry but you know all of that and it's like, yeah, but that's going back to the different practices and stuff and about like how, like all those different things can kind of like help. But then also I feel like we were talking about this earlier it's a point where, before that, people don't necessarily know how to get to the space, to even what. If you're so down that you can't pick up a sound bowl, you're so down that you can't write in your journal, what do you do?
TJ:Yeah. So let me tell you something this is why the show is called T with TJ because I have looked at the bottom of a mug many a times, not knowing what to do, and that has been living in New York, being on tour, being in the middle of this country, in the middle of nowhere, in cornfields, and trying to be like what am I doing with my life? Why am I here? Why is this moment happening right now? And I think that's granted, that was in my early 20s. Why am I here? Why is this moment happening right now?
TJ:Um, and I think that's I mean, granted, you know that was in my early twenties. Um, so it was a different time, but I say that to say that, like you're navigating so much already in that space. Yeah, so then, to have all of these um triggers that are affecting you in real time while you're trying to pursue your dream, live your life, pay bills, live in this giant ass city amongst millions, um, trying to stand out and trying to be something and make something of yourself. Um, you know you don't have time to go back and pull out all of this stuff from the suitcase, right?
William :you're trying to just survive, um I have a question though yeah, what do you think so, now that you're like, you're distanced from how old were you?
TJ:like 20, uh, I mean it's various stages, but like my first, the cornfield specifically, that was 23, 24 somewhere do you think you were doing? There. I know now that I had to be there. I had to be there to get here because it taught me a lot In the bigger picture of things, and I will say this that I've always been the optimistic type of person and always looking at the bigger picture of like, yes, this moment sucks that I'm currently in right now, but how does this affect my life as a whole?
TJ:like 20 years from now, will I be able to reflect on this and say I actually needed this to happen, because this affected this, and then this turned into this and then this helped me get to this? Um, instead of throwing my hands up and saying, well, fuck it all, I'm just gonna cut everything off and get the fuck out. Um, but in that moment specifically, I think it allowed me because I was I'm just gonna share what it was, um I was like yeah, what is this?
TJ:uh, I was on this tour, uh, cliff of the Red Dog and I had been going back and forth from the tour to New York to audition for the National Tour.
William :Oh period.
TJ:It was the non-union tour, but it was the Broadway version of that 25th anniversary thing that had just happened. And so the cities were were still like a list cities, so there were big cities and like a lot of recognition. You were still getting the original director from the show and all this kind of stuff like something that would have propelled me forward, yeah, and I was flying back and forth, flying back and forth, and got to final callbacks I was like, oh shit, I'm about to book this.
TJ:Like I'm about to be fucking Benny in the rent national tour. I can't believe I've gotten here and did my callback, went back to the tour. I think we were in California at the time and waited and, waited, and waited and we were like driving across the country and I remember finally getting the email saying that we've gone in a different direction, and being very, very heartbroken, yeah, um, and disappointed and questioning am I only good enough for children's theater, you know, am I only good enough for stories that are not enough, for stories that are not as complex as I would like them to be? Because, in no shade to Children's Theater, like I'm grateful for that experience, looking back on it, because the thing about Children's Theater is that kids don't lie, yeah, they're honest.
William :Children's Theater is.
TJ:It's funny you know, but unfortunately the, the, the industry does not necessarily recognize that specific. I respect it.
William :Yeah.
TJ:Yeah. And so there was a lot of self-doubt and a lot of searching and trying to figure out like well, should I even be doing this or do I need to go back to New York? Like what, what am I doing? And I remember coming back, coming back home to New York, and I think I was living I was living in Brooklyn at the time and going to a few auditions here and there, and it had been a few months and I booked Jesus Christ Superstar and it was weird because and if anyone's out there who knows me it was weird because it was one of those giant massive like open calls, like 300 people on the list, like I hated those auditions, 300 people on the list but I got seen, got a callback, but only a dance callback, no sides.
William :None of that.
TJ:Just the dance callback. I didn't go to the dance callback because I was like it was for their full season, because I was like I know what show I want to do, I know what show I'm right for, I know what role I'm right for and if I just get an opportunity I can prove to you that you'll see it.
TJ:Yeah, and sure enough, I didn't go to the dance callback. I got another email being like hey, we'd like to see you for Jesus Christ Superstar for Kaifus. I said, hmm, isn't that convenient. And I remember going into the callback back when they would like pair you with someone to get you like, like a chemistry read. Yeah, and I was paired with two guys, one of which who ended up being my roommate while I was doing that show. But two guys and I could tell I was like neither one of you have these low notes. If, like, if this is the three of us, it's gonna be me, and not to sound cocky, but like, but you know, you know in that moment um, but then ultimately booking it, and that probably was my best to date, I think, theatrical experience ever.
William :Well, to more, to more experiences that are just as wonderful and just as amazing or more.
TJ:Yeah, but I think if if I had not gone through this kind of like kind of low ish place after the rent thing and decided to like pick myself up and say, no, I want to do this. I know that I'm actually good at this, I know there's a place for me here, I could have missed out on that. Yeah, you know.
William :Yeah, I grew up my entire life this is connecting, I think. But I grew up my entire life sort of being praised for my ability, like I. I was always told that, you know, even in college. Like, oh, you're a beast. Like you know what I mean. Like you know, I was always told that.
William :And I think, coming into the real world and experiencing like oh damn, you don't like me because I'm fat, wait a second. No, you don't like me because I'm fat, wait a second. No, you don't like me because you know, whatever it, just a whole bunch of different things that never really played a factor when I was younger. Because, like you know, I was telling my friend this the other day I think I attached myself too much to my talent as a child. Like I did not, I didn't have anything else. Like I didn't think that I was attractive, I didn't think that I was necessarily smart, like I just even though I was.
William :Like, when I think back, like, oh, and I was cute too. Like you know, it's just all these things. I just never thought. But I just, but I'm talented and I think I had to experience the world saying no to me for me to sort of engage with the other parts of myself to engage with the fact that, oh, william, you are beautiful, even if you don't feel it, you are special, you're smart, you're, you know, you are, you're everything. Really, you really are and I had to learn that. And then I really do think my life got better when I started to like, after the world told me no, and I started telling myself, yes, things started to open up a little.
TJ:I love that. I feel like there's um we're. We're in alignment with that thought, because I feel like I'm entering that stage now, because I've even though I've had this revelation of like career wise, I am confident and good enough in know I have a place in the industry at large, but even just being like super, super specific with it I know or I've had feelings of, but there are three other people who are better than me there are four other people who can do it twice as good, twice as fast as me.
TJ:And I think the space that I've kind of inhabited now is very much what you were saying of like trying to realize and understand and comprehend that I am good enough, that I love myself, that I'm smart so that I can go out there and project that and show that.
William :And, more importantly, ain't nobody TJ.
TJ:Yeah, yeah.
William :Like I think, like, yeah, nobody is you, nobody is William Sinclair Moore, exactly. You may think like you, you really you may, may think, but nobody will do it like how you do it. Nobody will do it how I do it, like you know it. We're so different, exactly yeah, so many different lived experiences like nobody could compare. Yeah, yeah, you can't compete where you don't compare. Be careful, says like you know.
TJ:I think that's. That is where, at least for me, I feel like that's where it gets a little dicey, because although professionally, as an actor front facing, you know I can walk into a room confidently and sing my 32 bars and be good and I'm like I can come here and do this all day, but the moment that I have to be compared to somebody else, or the moment that I am out in the world just as tj not like tj the performer. There's a whole nother slew of things that exist that I'm like.
TJ:Oh yeah, I have to like remember this in this space too, not just on stage, not just in an audition room um, and so that's kind of that, that space that I'm trying to navigate now of like, oh yeah, like I have to put these on the other pieces of me too. What do you think that's rooted in? I mean, well, going back to where we started this conversation, the root chakra. I think so much of so much of my childhood is probably glazed over and not on purpose grew up where I grew up, not having access to certain things and kind of just existing in an environment where there was very little room for individuality. You know, we were assimilated to be church kids, to be school kids, to be a part of this nucleus of a family, um, but very little room to explore the things that, like, were of interest to me are you a pk?
William :yeah, yeah, who who knew, I'm sure multiple who I didn't know that wow, yeah.
TJ:so I mean, you know, with all of that kind of stuff surrounding everything, I feel like, like you know, I didn't, I didn't. I expressed learning how to play piano, wanting to learn, but never got a lesson. You know, I expressed my interest in theater but until shout out to my, until, like middle school, I had never seen a Broadway show, I had never seen a play show, I had never seen a play like on stage yeah, didn't know musicals existed do you think it was like your parents, thinking that it wasn't that important, or?
TJ:no, I think it. I think it is like again, I think it's just based off of where I was, because I grew up in Tennessee, because there was no access yeah there was no access to it.
TJ:It's like the, the National Tour house had a show, maybe every three to six months yeah um, especially back then, like we were not listed as like an, a city like wicked did not come there, lion king did not come there until I think, when I was what was it like 2006, somewhere in there, like before I left? Yeah, but that's also that's why it's so important to have access to things and like make sure that we have inclusive programs, and the list goes on and on.
William :When I think about my childhood, I really realize there there is a reason I am so insane, okay, or that my brain and my body and my spirit wants to do so many things. My parents like I love you parents. I was doing everything. Yeah, I was doing everything and I didn't really focus on anything until high school. And that was when I was like, oh, yeah, this theater thing, like because I started off in the choir and then I was getting bullied, yeah, a little bit, you know, like very in the beginning, and I was like, oh, like I'm not going to go back. So I didn't go back to choir.
William :But then I went to theater and it was connected to this youth theater that I ended up like graduating from, you know, whenever I stayed there for three years. But the teacher on the first day he was like, oh, you should stay, you got something, and it really just, I think we were just doing like improv, you know. But I was like, oh, wow, okay. And but I think, like the reason why I do so much shit now is because in most areas that I tried like I mean, I played football, I played soccer, I played baseball, I did karate, I was on the debate team. I was in theater, I was in choir, I had a stint in the anime club, like I, just like. Okay, that girl.
William :No, you know Like talk about the many faces, but literally like I, and I was pretty much always affirmed in everyone. So it kind of made it a little confusing, you know, knowing which way to go. But I think what birthed all those different selves was like people being like yeah, I see that for you. And then, now that I think about it, when, like the world tells you no like in these, in these different selves, it kind of tells you to like close off. So let's say it's somebody who's like super expressive and then someone like judges that person.
William :When they're expressive, it's like, oh, wow, yeah, like I shouldn't do that anymore, like I shouldn't. Yeah. I was talking to my now partner and they were talking about how they would post like these things on social media about you know, being Jamaican and stuff like that. And somebody told them, oh, that's corny, like you shouldn't do that anymore, like you shouldn't do that anymore. And when I thought about that I was like, oh my God, like people don't realize, like the words that they say, like they could even just be joking, but how that makes someone close off or it makes a part of someone close off, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
TJ:I was going to say. That is that I I talk about this with my best friend all the time, about how words matter and, although some things can be sarcastic and be colored a certain way, you unless, unless you, you are meshed with that person lead with kindness. Yeah, lead with compassion.
William :Um, because you never know how something can actually affect someone even if you are, you gotta be really sure, because you know he was telling me like, oh man, like I went so long without actually like giving that up on social media, because pieces of us die when they're told no, yes, yes, and pieces of us are birthed when they're told yes. Like so much, life lives in a yes.
TJ:Yeah, yeah.
William :Yeah.
TJ:Like the whole reason that I even exist in this form now is because I said yes to pursuing theater. My original plan was to move to California and be a composer.
William :I feel like I heard this in episode yeah, yeah, and then you were like this isn't the dream anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, can you imagine that's a different life we have? So, but who says that that path wouldn't have been like dope too? Yeah, yeah, I just feel like there's so many paths that we can take and everything is so divine and everything happens happens when it's supposed to. Um, yeah, just, say yes yeah, don't say no to people well come on.
TJ:Well, we are in our time what already?
William :that's crazy. So we're gonna do our little. Last three no, no, I'm kidding we can um.
TJ:That was that.
William :That was beautiful I also have to say y'all um have tj, make y'all some tea sometime seriously, it's so good, it really is. I'm like, can I take a jar, you know oh thank you thank you to the world um, thank you, thank you.
TJ:Thank you so for doing this. I appreciate having you on the show. It's been a long time coming.
William :Yeah.
TJ:But before we go, where can the folks find you?
William :You can find me. No, you can find me at Sinclairism, on all platforms. So that's S-I-N-C-L-A-I-R-I-Z-M. All platforms. Also at Sage the Collective. That's my podcast and our podcast is on all streaming platforms. Sage the House Down, look Us Up.
TJ:Me and my Best Friend, paige, love it alright, so this is the portion of the show before we leave that I like to call the last three. You can answer how freely you want, just to give our folks a little bit of knowledge. How do you practice gratitude?
William :laughter. My stomach answered um, you know, for a really long while, um, I had a gratitude journal, um, and I used to just write down every morning um, three things that I was happy about, or three things that made me feel good, because I felt really, really bad. Now it's in the small things I do this one thing that I saw on Instagram where this dude, he, he, he said you know, when you're giving your money away for food, when you're out, say thank you money and come back soon, okay, and bring friends. And I always do that. Now and I I think, like, when it comes to gratitude, I like to think of it as, like you know, I hold on tightly, let go lightly. Like you know, I have it now and I can just release it and it's gonna come back even better. Um, that's how I practice it being warm and sweet and nice to things in my brain, so it comes back, I love that um?
TJ:where do you find the most peace?
William :In my authenticity. When I'm pretending, I feel wrong there's something in my physical makeup or inside my body that I, I can't. I can't be happy unless I'm being authentic, and I feel like there are some people who, um, who can, but I can't. I feel the most peace and I feel the most happy when I am living through my authenticity.
TJ:I love that. And then final question where do you feel the most seen?
William :I feel the most seen when I am speaking. You don't even have to see me. It's so crazy because I feel like it would have been a different answer a couple of years ago. I think, yeah, but you can hear so much in my voice. My voice tells everything.
TJ:Like.
William :I can't lie. You hear where I'm from. You hear my mother, you hear my dad, you just you hear everything in my voice. I I feel the most seen um when I'm speaking.
TJ:I love that well again, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for doing this. This was great, um, and with that, I'll see you next week. Bye, and that's our show. Friends, thanks for joining us on tea with tj. Please rate, review and subscribe, and you can find us on instagram at tea with tj podcast. And, as always, stay kind, keep sipping and remember we're here. So we might as well do it.
