Don’t Raise A$$holes: Danielle Frank’s Hilarious Parenting Wisdom 😂🍷

Don’t Raise A$$holes: Danielle Frank’s Hilarious Parenting Wisdom 😂🍷

A Wine Lover's Guide To Parenting - By Danielle Frank

Summary of A Wine Lover’s Guide to Parenting by Danielle Sloane Frank

A Wine Lover’s Guide to Parenting is a humorous, rhyming parenting book that blends wine terminology with real-life parenting lessons. Danielle Sloane Frank uses playful comparisons between raising children and understanding wine to deliver relatable advice on discipline, manners, resilience, positivity, bullying, independence, and empathy. 

Each chapter (“lesson”) connects a wine concept to a parenting principle. The tone is funny, candid, and honest, aimed at overwhelmed parents who need reassurance that parenting is messy, imperfect, and sometimes requires a glass of wine.

Some of the key themes include:

• Teaching discipline early — children shouldn’t learn that whining gets rewards. 
• Allowing kids independence — like wine needing to “breathe,” children need room to make mistakes and grow. 
• Instilling manners and kindness — the author emphasizes respect, gratitude, and proper behavior from a young age. 
• Teaching hygiene and self-care — presented humorously through wine “nose” and aroma comparisons. 
• Encouraging respectful communication — children shouldn’t leave a “bitter taste” through rude behavior or talking back. 
• Setting boundaries as a parent — parents must lead confidently and not let children “run the show.” 
• Addressing bullying and empathy — the book discusses the importance of recognizing bullying behavior and teaching compassion. 
• Teaching diversity and open-mindedness — children should be exposed to different cultures, perspectives, and people. 
• Maintaining optimism — the “rose-colored glasses” lesson focuses on positivity and resilience. 
• Accepting imperfection in parenting — the final lessons acknowledge that both parents and children will make mistakes, and growth comes from learning through them. 

The book ends with a heartfelt message that children are a “blank canvas” shaped by environment, modeling, and parental guidance, while also reminding parents to give themselves grace. 

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Transcript

Wendy (00:01.094)
Hi, welcome to We Wine Whenever, I'm Wendy.

Kelli (00:04.512)
I'm Kelly.

Lori (00:05.453)
and I'm Lori.

Wendy (00:07.332)
And today we have a special guest with us, Danielle Frank. She started out her career working at Miramax in Hollywood, and then she pivoted to the wine and spirits world, and she spent the last 21 years doing that with luxury brands. And in 2025, she decided to debut her book, A Wine Lover's Guide to Parenting. Welcome, Danielle.

Danielle Frank (00:30.224)
Thank you. Thank you, ladies, for having me on your fabulous podcast.

Kelli (00:33.665)
Yeah, thank you for joining us.

Lori (00:34.136)
Thank you.

Wendy (00:37.744)
So, tell us a little bit about this journey. Like, how do you go from Hollywood to, you know, working in the spirits world to writing a book on parenting?

Danielle Frank (00:48.238)
Yeah, and I'm actually not a parent. So we'll dive into that. There's a lot of spoiler alerts along the way. Yeah, I've led a very interesting life and you know, I'm obviously promoting my book that's come out. But along this journey, I've been doing the whole podcast circuit, which I love. I love all these organic conversations with fabulous women and men like, you know, like you ladies, you know, just just having a great chat and

Wendy (00:55.421)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (01:16.086)
So much of what's come out in all these podcasts is less about the book, but more about the journey of my life because I really enjoy, I've had major life pivots, moving from New York to LA, going from entertainment PR to wine and spirits. I say I traded red carpets for red wine and I haven't looked back. And then also some relationship pivots.

engaged, broke that off. And as I said, the path of motherhood ultimately didn't happen for me when I thought it would. So I really enjoy having these frank conversations with everybody, and shining a light on how embracing life pivots can really be empowering and can really be fulfilling and lead you potentially on a new journey that maybe you were meant to be on all along. Yeah, so sorry, go ahead.

Lori (02:03.758)
It's interesting because the three of us are older. So we are kind of in a pivot ourselves where our children will be leaving the nest shortly. So we're at that point where we're kind of like, trying not to look back and have regrets, trying to look towards the future to what the rest of our lives, you know,

Kelli (02:19.501)
hopefully.

Lori (02:31.718)
not necessarily being full-time parents will be. So we're kind of at a pivot too. So pivots are interesting.

Danielle Frank (02:37.397)
Yeah, mean, well, you just said it yourself, right? Like not looking back and no regrets. And that's what I've learned along my many journeys. Like you can't, you can't go back. Right. So that's not going to do you any good. I look at it as like a bridge, right? Sometimes you're just on a bridge and like, you don't get stuck in the middle forever. You cross it intentionally. And a lot of times that just happens with like, you know,

starts with your mind, right? Your mind is telling your feet one step at a time. You you cross over that bridge and You know, I also say I love saying that there's there's it's not the Wizard of Oz, right? There's not one yellow brick road that leads us to this happy place There's gonna be lots of different paths along the way and sometimes when you step off one path Yeah, I'm sure it can be very daunting. My sister just became an empty nester as well. Her daughter just graduated

college, her son just finished his freshman year of college. But it's about leaning into it, right? Embracing it because like you said, you can't go back, you can't change it. think about what there is to look forward to. Find the happiness and like, great, now you can do this that you've always wanted to do or that that you've always wanted to do. I mean, that's so much of what I've learned from my pivots.

Lori (03:45.719)
Right.

Danielle Frank (03:59.437)
you know, like when I broke off my engagement and not having kids, you know, it's, that was a path that I always thought was gonna happen for me. But, you know, slowly I started to see that this new life I built for myself without kids is equally as fulfilling. I'm sure I would have been very fulfilled and happy as a mom, but now I found that fulfillment in other ways. I'm very, you know, I'm involved in my niece and nephew's lives. I...

I'm an aunt to so many of my friends' kids, which is like the best because I like take them out, dope them up on sugar and send them home if they have to try and make bedtime, but they're too wired. And then the other part of it is I travel for work and I love traveling personally. So I've kind of leaned into that. Well, if I had kids and a family, probably couldn't travel to Europe four times a year like I did this or like I'm doing this year. So I'm really leaning into not the...

Wendy (04:28.646)
You

Lori (04:33.538)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (04:53.034)
you know, man, I don't have kids that didn't happen for me. The sadness of it and like looking at the happiness of, well, I've carved out this life of travel and adventure and that's the path that I'm on.

Lori (05:05.282)
Yeah, because that's, you know, it's hard because you can really get into that the grass is greener on the other side. And when you put all your problems, you know, on the table, you and everybody else does too. You always just take your own back. So.

So I had a question. How did you get into the whole publishing Miramax thing when you were in New York? How did that come about? Because I know you were young.

Danielle Frank (05:33.457)
Yeah, I mean, I graduated. So when I was younger, all I wanted to do was work in the entertainment industry. I was a TV junkie and a movie junkie. I loved entertainment. And so, you know, I just knew I was going to work in the entertainment world. I interned in college at a PR firm that represented talent.

You know, and I always say, my niece just graduated and I was trying to instill in her some like, you know, wisdom from Aunt Danielle. But, you know, like I wish back then we had the tools that we have today to kind of like, like I knew I wanted to be in entertainment, but like I had no idea what an entertainment, like I didn't even know what the different jobs were. Now people have so many opportunities to, you know, look into jobs, what it entails, right? So maybe I wouldn't have gone into PR, but now when I graduated college, Miramax,

Lori (06:15.074)
Mm-hmm.

Danielle Frank (06:26.357)
I was living in New York City and Miramax Films was the only studio in New York and it was at the heyday of Miramax, like when it was in its prime. So that's where I wanted to be. And somebody told me about a job starting as an assistant in the international PR department. And I had interned, you know, in PR in the summer. So that helped, you know, my resume. And yeah, I got the job and it was great. I mean, in my twenties living in New York City.

going to the Cannes Film Festival, Venice Film Festival, Berlin, press tours, traveling with all the talent, staying in the best hotels where the talent stayed. I mean, it was wild. I amazing stories. And then coming back to my little studio apartment in New York City and running around with my friends. It was a time to be alive. It was great. It was great.

Kelli (06:58.029)
Wow.

Wendy (07:10.544)
You

Lori (07:12.142)
That's awesome.

Sounds like a lot of fun.

Kelli (07:16.131)
How did you wind up in California from New York?

Danielle Frank (07:20.299)
So with that job, always like traveled to LA, you know, almost every month. And I just always had a love, a fascination with Los Angeles. I mean, obviously, you know, all the TV, you know, all the movies and everything I watch. And I had a friend in college that lived out here. So I visited her a couple of times over the summers and I just fell in love with it. And then when I started to travel here for work, not only, you know, did it continue my love affair, but I started to make friends out here.

And so, yeah, was about, it was like late 20s, all my friends were starting, I you you're East coasters. East coast, was like, you get married by this age, have kids by this age. And so all my friends were starting to go that route. And I was dating my boyfriend and I just sort of had this like, shit moments, sorry, about this, crap moment, like, wait, I'm not quite ready yet. There's still so much I wanna do and I have this great job and I'm traveling the world and.

You know, I always kind of wanted to move to LA. Like I'll have time for marriage and kids. If I'm going to do it, now's the time. And so, you know, and also, I mean, I loved working at Miramax, was there for six years, but I started to get restless too. mean, they gave you the VP title. I worked my way up to VP, but I was like, I don't even know what I was making at the time. Like a stupid, like salary, like still couldn't get out of my studio apartment. You know, they gave you the title, but not the, not the pay because yeah.

Lori (08:43.734)
Mm-hmm. Not the dough, not the dough. Yep.

Danielle Frank (08:47.274)
Cause everybody wants that job, you know, and they know that they're like, you don't want it. Somebody else will take that job. Um, so I just started to get, you know, a little antsy and, um, yeah. And then I'm also somebody like, once I have it in my mind, um, yeah. So once I made the decision to move to LA, I broke up with my boyfriend. Um, I just, realized, you know, I loved him, but I, I wasn't in love. He was, he was my best friend for many years. And I think I tried to.

Kelli (08:50.179)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (09:13.802)
force that, you know, like, that's what a partner should be a best friend, but you still need to have that in love. So yeah, I just decided I'm going to do it, move to LA. And I did it. There were and so there were no studio jobs at the time when I was looking, but a personal PR firm who represent talent that I knew from all the trips we did, they were hiring and part of me was like,

I do not want to do personal PR. No disrespect to those people that do that, but I am not a babysitter. I don't care more about somebody else's life than my life or my family's lives. But it got me to LA and I was like, maybe I'll like it. Three months lasted in that job. You know what? I got to this office the first day and there were three women, three different publicists in their office like crying.

Wendy (09:56.387)
Yeah

Danielle Frank (10:06.734)
And I just realized it was like this agency, was run by two very toxic women. yeah, it was just a very toxic environment. And I was like, what did I get myself into? And all my time at Miramax, the six years I was there, sure as in my 20s, going out to the clubs the night before, sure there were plenty of days that I woke up like, I wish I didn't have to go to work. But I never once had those days where you had that

hit in your stomach, like, I just don't want to go into the office. When I was at this PR firm, I had multiple days of that ulcer inducing feeling that hit in your stomach. And I'm like, this is no way to live. Like we spend half of our lives at work. This is, this is just not good for my personal health. And yeah, after three months, I quit without having another job, which is very unlike me. I'm very type A.

You know, some of that is some naivety, right? You're young, I don't have a mortgage, I didn't have a family, not even a dog that looked at me, looked, you had to look after. So yeah, I just thought I'd find something else. And there weren't a lot of entertainment jobs. And somebody told me about this job in the wine and spirits industry. It was a big step back, very elementary. But I was like, great, you work from home, you get a car allowance and expense account. I'll do this while I figure it out is what I want to do in my life.

Fast forward, got a job with Bacardi USA, was there for 10 years. Then left and got a job with Moat Hennessy where I'm celebrating 12 years next month. So that's all part of that, you know, like we talked about, you know, leaning into that new path and discovering that, you know, this new path you're on might have been the journey you were meant to be on all the way.

Kelli (11:44.707)
Wow.

Danielle Frank (11:57.136)
Especially when you embrace it and you embrace the change and you embrace life pivots, you can have some clarity on what are the things that it is that drive you forward.

Lori (12:08.152)
Sure, mean, you might tell yourself, you know, I never got to have kit. Well, I never got to run around the world and go to French chateaus drinking great wine either. So you know what I'm saying? It all comes out in the end, kind of a thing. There you go, there you go. So I wanted to ask you,

Kelli (12:20.003)
You

Wendy (12:20.717)
Mm-hmm.

Danielle Frank (12:25.032)
Guess what, Lori? You're gonna be an empty nester soon. Your time is coming to go to that chateau and drink some champagne.

Kelli (12:28.458)
You

Kelli (12:33.603)
Mm.

Lori (12:37.812)
about your relationships with the children that are in your life and how that kind of led you into this venture that you had with your book.

Danielle Frank (12:49.768)
Yeah, my ex-fiance, he has kids from a first marriage. So I got to be a bonus mom for many, many years. I've always had that maternal instinct. As I said, I've been very close with my niece and nephew and I'm Auntie Anial to many, many friends' kids. And I just have that nurturing gene. I love kids.

I'm also an eternal optimist and I just want to make the world a better place. you know, it all started with, I love to write. I have the creative outlet. just, have all these different ideas and projects. I started, you know, look, we live in a very messy world, especially these days. And, you know, especially now with social media, the more and more you hear about some of the things like, I mean, you hear about kids, obviously like Columbine started it all, kids going.

into school with guns. When I was in school, that never even crossed your minds, right? Was not even in the realm of possibility. And then you hear also about all these kids, the bullying and kids who are like 10, 11, 12 years old taking their own lives. It's just gut wrenching. And I truly believe it starts when they're young. Kids learn.

Lori (13:46.718)
No, no, not very even a no, no.

Danielle Frank (14:10.509)
you know, hate and prejudice at a young age, you know, from the factors that are around them. I started working on an actual children's book series called Johnny's Remote Adventures. And each book, Johnny zapped away to another country where he meets a his age. So in Mexico, maybe he meets Juan, you know, and that's how they say John in

Mexico and and these are the clothes he wears. These are the foods he eats. This is so it's each book is is intended to Teach kids all about you know different cultures and we may look and talk and act different But we're all the same because at the end of every book Johnny's back in bed And he realizes we all sleep under the same star of skies We're all human, you know, so that was sort of my goal is like I want to you know have my seat at the table of helping

kids to be good human beings and teach them from an early age, you know, to have decent, you know, human decency. So, you know, and I love to rhyme. So I love the idea of like the children's books. So about 14 years ago, which is when I wrote this book, A Wine Lover's Guide to Parenting, I had just broken off my engagement. And like I said, you know, that's when I first, I first realized that that path of motherhood might not happen for me. At the same time, a couple, you know, pieces of the puzzle all came together.

One, a book came out called Go the F to Sleep. Many people, yes. yeah. Yeah, wildly popular, but it really opened the door for this new genre of adult children's book. And I love that. And then at the same time, I was watching my niece and nephew who were young at the time. And although great kids, of course, as we know, every kid has the propensity to whine a little bit.

Lori (15:39.318)
Love that book. Love that book. Kelly's like, Kelly's like, yes, yeah.

Kelli (15:41.219)
I ha- yeah, yeah. Well aware of that one.

Danielle Frank (16:04.037)
They were whining about something and I said, uh-uh, Auntie Aniel drinks wine. She doesn't listen to wine. And there just the wheels started to turn of, you know what? Instead of, you know, my goal of an actual children's book reaching kids, you know, when they're six, seven, eight, whatever, how about doing an adult children's book because it's, you know, it's this new genre and teaching parents, you know, not teaching, I'm not preaching, I'm not a clinical psychologist. It's all basic human decency.

Kelli (16:34.072)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (16:34.074)
You know, doing something fun that's really like get to the parents, you know, before they're even, you know, before they even have the kid or just when they've had the kid in a fun lighthearted way. And also as somebody who works in the wine and spirits industry, I love making wine knowledge fun, easy, accessible. It doesn't need to be daunting. You don't need to be an expert to enjoy it. So all that came together with this idea of, you know, writing this 11 lessons on how to raise your kids.

to be good human beings all related to wine terminology. And every time I use a wine term, I give the definition at the back of the book as a basic understanding of how wine's made. So it's really fun and approachable. as I said, some people say, well, you're not a parent. It's all just basic human decency, right? Teach your kid manners. Teach your kid not to be a bully. You don't need to be a parent to know good human decency in people.

Lori (17:29.142)
My favorite is don't let them get what they want and throw a hissy fit because then they may turn into a little shit. It's perfect. It's perfect. Yeah. So it's a really fun book with all kinds of things like that.

Kelli (17:38.238)
Hehehehehe

Kelli (17:43.767)
You said you, yeah, you said you wanted to read a chapter. Do you want to do that now? Yeah.

Danielle Frank (17:49.209)
I'd love to, yeah. So this chapter, lesson three, you don't want your kids to ferment. So in the winemaking process, the fermentation process is when you convert the sugar into alcohol. So when we think of sugar as something sweet, alcohol we think of can be harsh or biting. So this is you don't want your kids to turn from someone sweet into harsh and biting because they don't have manners. Manners, manners, manners are the key to it all.

Lori (17:50.935)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (18:14.489)
These lessons need to start even when they're small. Teach them this from day one before they start to crawl. You don't want your kid to be the sour grape in the bunch and turn into a spoiled brat that kids want to punch? When they start talking, make sure they know thank you and please, and to always say bless you when they hear someone sneeze. Please and thank you are an absolute must. Without that, your child's a total bust. There's nothing worse than a child who has behavior that is crude, because it'll continue as they're older and become someone who's rude. People don't take kindly to and aren't nice to those with attitude.

because it's very off-putting and puts others in a bad mood. Oftentimes causing confrontation and leads to a nasty feud. Wanting to put a little bit of poison in your child's food. Is that really how you want your kids to be viewed? Wouldn't you prefer that there's someone who's wooed? Without manners, they'll ferment and turn into someone harsh and biting. They may turn into a kid who's rude, obnoxious, and always fighting. So teach your kids some manners and to have some heart and soul. Without that, your kid may well turn into an a-hole.

Wendy (19:11.046)
That's great.

Kelli (19:11.107)
That is great.

Lori (19:11.15)
Love it. Love it. I also love, you must not let your kids run amok or they will turn into a little fuck. That's classic. That's classic. Of course. Of course I do. I had to get it in there.

Danielle Frank (19:12.381)
Thank you.

Wendy (19:22.086)
Of course you like that one, Lori.

Danielle Frank (19:25.164)
Yes, yes, there's some colorful language in there. So it's definitely not something you want your, you definitely don't want your kids to read this, but I did have a friend buy it and her kid is, you know, can't read yet. So they enjoyed, you know, the fun illustrations. It's, you know, it has fun illustrations, you know, that kids can enjoy. Maybe not the ones drinking the wine out of the bottle, but here they're playing, you know.

Lori (19:28.492)
Yeah, nothing wrong with that.

Kelli (19:38.935)
Yeah.

Kelli (19:45.955)
Ha

Danielle Frank (19:47.821)
So it's fun illustrations. If your kid can't read, they can just thumb through the book, but definitely made for adults.

Lori (19:53.986)
Well, I think too that the

Kelli (19:54.434)
Yeah, and then there's great facts on the bottom of the pages. Like you give the definition of ferment, with the chapter you just read, and harsh. And that's all wine related.

Danielle Frank (20:08.611)
Exactly. So it teaches the reader, you know, some wine knowledge, makes you a little wine savvy next time you're going out to dinner and the wine list gets put in front of you.

Lori (20:18.284)
Yeah. And I always, I always liked the relationship that I always had with my aunts. So I think it's a, it's a very important relationship and, and should never be discounted because you're not a mother, because you have the perspective of not being a mother, which sometimes when you're in the often hell hole of being a mother, you can't necessarily see the forest or the tree. So to, you know, your

Kelli (20:18.519)
Yeah.

Wendy (20:19.792)
There you go.

Kelli (20:28.449)
It's very important.

Lori (20:48.162)
Perspective is very useful, not being a mother.

Danielle Frank (20:52.483)
Well, one, my sister needs to listen to this one because my sister and are very different and she's very opinionated, love her, but very opinionated. And she often throws out, you know, I was chatting with my niece about like advice, career advice and trying to be a sounding board, a different opinion. Like you said, it is important for kids to have different sounding boards, different opinions, different guide, you know.

guidance, especially somebody who's invested, you know, I care about her future. I care about her, my nephew. So I'm coming at it with a perspective of love and light and caring. But my sister does like to throw in my face when she doesn't like, you know, when she disagrees with me that you're not a mom, you don't understand. that really, man, we butt heads when she does that. But absolutely, like you said, I mean, you know, I've listened to parents talk about, you know, like,

battle-hardened soldiers deep in the trenches. And sometimes when you're deep in it, they're trading war stories. sometimes when you're deep in it, it's hard to see that the grape juice you're drinking can one day be a fine cabernet. So it is, sometimes you do need that, I call it an outsider, insider, because I am from the outside, but I have an inside perspective of like, again, I wanna see at the table of how they,

Lori (21:56.067)
There you go.

Danielle Frank (22:12.331)
you know, of how they grow up because I care about them.

Kelli (22:16.931)
Of course. Yeah.

Wendy (22:18.374)
Absolutely. So I have a question. If you could pick a wine that best describes your personality, what would that be? Which wine would that be and why?

Danielle Frank (22:27.607)
I would say champagne because it's bubbly. I'd like to think that, yeah, I really try and be positive a lot, not to an annoying fault, but I really try and see the glass half full as much as possible. And so I'd say bubbly.

Kelli (22:31.907)
That's great.

Lori (22:46.967)
like it.

Wendy (22:47.194)
No, that's great. That's great.

Kelli (22:48.611)
That's great, yeah.

Wendy (22:51.182)
What's one parenting lesson you think adults still need to learn about themselves?

Danielle Frank (22:58.446)
I think, well, you know, some of the things in my book is, well, especially these days with what's going on in world, is to, the chapter about giving your kid a punt, a punt is that depth at the bottom of a bottle. That gives depth. So that's about teaching your kids to be worldly, right? Seeing that there's a whole world out there. And again, like, you know, there's so much hate and there's so much discrimination going on.

Wendy (23:15.909)
Okay.

Danielle Frank (23:27.741)
You know, there's people with different beliefs and cultures and religions and, you know, colors of our skin and we need to be a little bit more worldly and accepting of the world around us.

Lori (23:43.087)
I like when you talked about mold wine and you said, you said on one of the podcasts, like know who your kid is outside of the house. Not just inside, but outside of the house, which is very, very, very important. And we always talk about it on this podcast about our own children. Like they could be absolute assholes at home, but when they go out,

Danielle Frank (23:54.847)
Yeah, some mold wines.

Lori (24:10.038)
if someone else gives me a compliment about my kid and says how kind they were or whatever, I'm like, okay, because that's really the measure. Because at home, sometimes things just get ugly. But if your kid is always great outside the home, to me that speaks about who they are. They learned it somewhere.

Wendy (24:26.502)
You

Wendy (24:32.24)
They learned it somewhere.

Danielle Frank (24:33.953)
Yeah, 100 % and kudos to you. And that's yeah, mulled wine, for people that don't know, mulled wines are heated. You add spices to it. So it's heated as spice, sometimes served as a punch. And so that chapter is about, yeah, knowing is your kid heated spice? Are they packing a punch? Are they a bully? And I've had a lot of parents say to me that chapter resonated with them a lot because you don't want to imagine it's your kid, not my kid.

Lori (24:53.006)
All

Danielle Frank (25:03.906)
But it's important to, know, what one woman said, she's like, somebody did tell me my son was being a bully. She's like, and it hurts to hear that, of course, but it's super important to acknowledge it. Not just say, not my kid, because it's so important to nip that in the bud as we know, because bullying has gotten out of control. And as we said, you know, all these young kids taking their own lives because they're getting bullied, it's a really important thing to tackle.

Kelli (25:26.339)
sure.

Kelli (25:31.415)
Yeah, I when we were younger, if you had a problem with someone and you left school on a Friday, you really didn't have to think about it again until you went back to school Monday morning. Now with social media, you just can't get away from it. It's nonstop. You can't sleep. It's, you know, it's just forever ongoing. It's very different now.

Danielle Frank (25:42.913)
Yeah.

Lori (25:43.436)
Yeah.

Lori (25:48.651)
And yeah, and something else I've heard you say on several of your podcasts, it's kind of like you'd rather be alone than be in a bad relationship or a bad job. And I think that's something very important for adults and for children is that you have to be comfortable with yourself.

Danielle Frank (26:07.969)
Yeah, mean, I think, you know, going through all those life pivots, those life changes. So when I met my fiance, or now ex-fiance, but when I met him, you know, I had been in LA for many years and now I was like, you know, get a 33 and I was like, okay, now I'm ready to, you know, think about marriage and kids. And I fell in love with this guy. And, you know, he sort of...

went back and forth as I said, has two kids from a first marriage and he sort of went back and forth about whether he wanted more kids. And I was very set on having kids. And he said, you know, he proposed and he's like, okay, we can do it. We can have a kid. Now look, there were a lot of other things in the relationship. It wasn't just that. And there were other problems. And, you know, so.

once I got engaged, really just started to, I don't know, maybe it was just like my timing and my path of just like I needed to get there, but I needed to get there to get out of it because all of a sudden I just had this clarity of one, this guy doesn't want, he actually doesn't want kids, even though he said he would have one, but he's still wavering. like, I wanna have it with like, I wanna have a kid with somebody that's dying to have a kid with me. And then I just started to think about, you know, all the other issues and I really started to,

Like now that I was faced with like, okay, we're gonna get married. Then I really started to think about all the other issues. And I was like, I thought about how often I was unhappy in the relationship. And I just realized like, that's no place to be feeling lonely and unhappy in a relationship, you know? And so I broke up with him and I can honestly say I never cried another day. It was...

it was sad at the end, you know, and there was a lot of crying and tears, you know, still living there and knowing it was coming to an end. But when I moved out, you know, cause one of the issues with him was he was like, he liked to push things to the very limit and like, you know, he liked to go out till the bitter end till the bar closed kind of thing. And, you know, I was now like, okay, I did that all my twenties and he was older, but you know, I was like, I'm ready to slow down a little bit.

Danielle Frank (28:27.871)
And I remember the first night in my new apartment, I had drinks with friends around the corner from a new apartment. And I don't know what time it was, could have been nine, nine, whatever. I was like, you know what, I'm tired, I'm gonna go home. And I went back to my apartment and I laid in my bed, in my big Cal King bed, smack dab in the middle, and taking over the bed. And I just was looking up at the ceiling and I just remember smiling to myself. I was like, I was tired, I went home.

Kelli (28:46.848)
hehehehe

Danielle Frank (28:55.583)
and nobody gave me crap about it. Like, what do mean? It's only 9.30. And just, you know, I just, I had this sense of freedom and I was so happy. And, you know, through that time, then, you know, I started advancing in my career and traveling and doing all this on my own. And that really, you know, I always say like all these life pivots that I've, you know, gone through, you're building up your arsenal to like give you the confidence, give you the knowledge to know that you can tackle the next.

Kelli (28:59.938)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (29:23.038)
you know, the next pivot, the next, you know, life change, the next life journey. And so that really was defining for me that, you know, I started to see like, I'm fine on my own and I can take care of myself. And, you know, and, and, and so when my future related, my last relationship that I got out of a couple of years ago, you know, when that started to have issues, like his drinking was getting a little out of control and, you know, half the

half the nights I was like, I'm just gonna sleep in the guest bedroom. I'd rather just sleep by myself. And I was like, laying in my guest bedroom, I'm like, what am I doing sleeping in the guest bedroom in my own place? I'd rather just be by myself. I'm very comfortable living on my own. actually, I really enjoy it. In fact, I enjoy it too much that now I don't know if I could ever live with anybody ever again. I hope to meet somebody in the future, but I hope we have like maybe adjoining houses or like nearby. Yeah, yeah.

Kelli (29:56.707)
Yeah, in your own place.

Lori (29:57.483)
Yeah, that's it. By yourself.

Kelli (30:10.616)
Yeah.

Lori (30:14.732)
Yeah, right next door or something. Yeah, that'd be great.

Danielle Frank (30:17.439)
But yeah, you know, just, you know, so in that next relationship with the drinking, you know, knowing that I got through the last one and knowing how happy I was when I got out of it, it just gave me the confidence, you know, to know that it's time to leave this current relationship and I'll be fine and I'll be better than I was before and I was.

Lori (30:38.168)
There you go.

Kelli (30:38.563)
And doing what you do, like we have a couple of friends who work in the wine spirits industry, they don't drink. And they've told us, like we can't. I mean, unless you have a very good control over how much, because you're at these events that can go on for hours and hours. if, you know.

Lori (30:58.092)
I'd be drinking.

Lori (31:02.638)
Slip it, slip it slowly. Slip it slowly.

Danielle Frank (31:04.638)
Yeah, I mean, like anything, right? I mean, when I was at Bacardi, people were like, oh, what do you drink? Grey Goose all day in Bacardi all day, or now Moet Hennessy, you Dom Perignon all day. No, it's a job like everything else. I'm doing presentations, I'm on Zoom calls, there's not a lot of drinking. But yes, you need to have moderation. There aren't as many as events. I deal with...

Kelli (31:19.0)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (31:31.739)
resorts at the corporate level. So I have a national scope role. So I'm meeting with the corporate, you know, of Four Seasons, the corporate of Marriott and all that. So a lot of it's meetings. So I do less events. You know, there are people that like work in the market and they're doing stuff at accounts. And but yes, I mean, I was doing that when I started at Picardy and you definitely need to know moderation. You need to make sure you're Ubering.

Lori (31:43.777)
Okay.

Kelli (31:43.843)
Mmm.

Kelli (31:54.401)
Yeah.

Kelli (31:58.733)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (31:58.802)
And but yeah, I mean, and there are some people I know, like I had a coworker when I was at Picardy who was sober. So you don't need to, you know, be a drinker at all. But if you are a drinker, yes, you have to exhibit moderation.

Kelli (32:11.543)
Yeah, sure.

Lori (32:12.408)
So I want to ask you about your game show.

Danielle Frank (32:16.094)
Oh yeah, what a blast. So as I said, when I was a kid, I was a TV junkie. I loved and I loved game shows. And I'm somebody that, know, especially with this life that I forged for myself, I'm somebody I, it's become, you know, like I said, you know, when the path of motherhood didn't happen for me, I've now leaned into this new life. And I'm like, great, I'm going to do, you know, what I.

I want to do everything I can in my life since I don't have certain responsibilities. I want to try and check everything off my life's bucket list within reason, within legal limits. So one of them was like, yeah, going on a game show. So I applied, I got on, it was the most fun experience. So nerve wracking, but it was a lot of fun. I was on hundred thousand dollar pyramid.

Wendy (33:02.265)
Book game show.

Lori (33:02.466)
It was it.

Wendy (33:06.425)
Okay.

Kelli (33:06.608)
remember that. Was that the one, was Meghan Markle one of the girls, was that the one with the...

Lori (33:07.854)
And have fun.

Danielle Frank (33:08.061)
Eww.

Danielle Frank (33:12.311)
No, that was let's not let's make a deal. The suitcase one. Yeah. Deal or no deal. Yeah. No, this is where it used to be twenty five thousand dollar period back in like, you know, the 60s or 70s when it first started. And then but now it's one hundred thousand dollar pyramid. It's hosted by Michael Strahan. And it was a blast. I mean, I screwed up in the winter circle, but I couldn't have been it could have been more fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Lori (33:15.992)
Well, the Stoocades one, yeah, I forget what that one was. Dealer, no doubt. Yeah.

Kelli (33:16.513)
Yeah, the suitcase. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Sorry.

Wendy (33:17.36)
Deal or no deal?

Kelli (33:28.449)
Yes.

Lori (33:38.582)
It's so fun though, that sounds so fun.

Kelli (33:40.259)
That's so fun. Yeah, that's great.

Danielle Frank (33:41.721)
It was so fun.

Wendy (33:45.638)
Have you ever considered writing a follow-up book about relationships or adulthood or things like that?

Danielle Frank (33:51.521)
Not relationships, but I am working on my second iteration of this style book called A Whiskey Lover's Guide to Dog Breeds. It's going to be a little different. It's going to be, you know, not lessons on raising dogs. It's a different style. But, you know, this, it's a lot of work to, you know, I did hybrid publishing, which is essentially self-publishing. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of work. I'm doing this hustle of promotion all on my own.

You know, and it's been a ton of fun, but it's a lot of work on top of my full-time job. This is another full-time job. yes, I, you know, my goal with that is hopefully any publishers out there listening, if you want to be the publisher of a Whiskey Numbers Guide to Dog Breeds, it's available. I really would love to, yeah, right now I'm focusing on like getting this current book out and hoping to gain some traction or interest that somebody might want to publish that. Cause I think it'll be a little while before I get that other book out there.

Lori (34:25.518)
Thank

Danielle Frank (34:50.908)
Yeah, because of the sheer amount of work it takes.

Lori (34:54.508)
Yeah, it's a lot to do the self publishing or even the hybrid publishing. It's a lot of work and it's a lot of expense too on your end.

Wendy (34:55.109)
Yeah, I can.

Kelli (34:55.437)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (34:59.547)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's, know.

Kelli (35:04.653)
We'll definitely include the links to your book and right now you can get it on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. Yeah.

Danielle Frank (35:11.068)
Correct. Yeah.

Lori (35:12.077)
Nice.

Wendy (35:14.394)
Now do you watch Bravo at all? Do you watch any Bravo TV?

Danielle Frank (35:18.5)
Below Deck is my jam. Below Deck is my guilty pleasure. know you girls are housewives of, you know, do you watch all the Housewives?

Wendy (35:20.079)
Okay, below day.

Lori (35:20.142)
I should have some more light back.

Wendy (35:26.618)
Yes.

Lori (35:29.142)
These two are, I am not, I just somehow got wrangled into it, but they watch it.

Wendy (35:29.9)
All the housewives.

Kelli (35:30.363)
of them.

Danielle Frank (35:31.586)
Yeah, can't. I can't. I can't. Yeah, I can't. They like there there was one or two episodes of Below Deck where they had the Housewives on and that was enough to like spin me out of control. was like, I could never watch it. But yeah, I love Below Deck. That is my guilty pleasure. And Top Chef, that's on Bravo, right? Yeah, Top Chef. like it. Yeah, but that's not really like a, you know, a guilty pleasure kind of show.

Lori (35:42.476)
Yes.

Wendy (35:44.102)
you

Lori (35:47.209)
never right here.

Wendy (35:53.114)
Yeah, yeah, Top Chef, yes.

Kelli (35:53.121)
Yes.

Lori (35:53.993)
if some.

Lori (35:58.103)
Now. Yeah.

Wendy (36:00.344)
No, it's not.

Danielle Frank (36:01.871)
Yeah.

Lori (36:02.222)
How's Wives is definitely a breed of their own. Let's just say that. Yeah.

Danielle Frank (36:05.275)
Yes, it is. I know I can't bring my like I said, just watching them on below deck. was like pulling my hair out.

Kelli (36:06.903)
Yeah. Yeah. You fall down the rabbit hole with them.

Lori (36:15.724)
Mm-hmm. I know the feeling

Kelli (36:16.419)
So that must have been the Salt Lake City girls.

Danielle Frank (36:18.414)
Uh-uh.

Lori (36:22.231)
Yes.

Wendy (36:22.555)
Yes.

Danielle Frank (36:24.097)
Yes, right. was like last season. Yes. he's he's handsome. Yeah. Yes. Love me some Captain Jason.

Wendy (36:25.584)
Captain Jason? Yeah.

Lori (36:27.0)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's quite the catch there, that one. Yeah.

Kelli (36:29.912)
love Captain Jason, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So where in California, so you're near LA where you live?

Danielle Frank (36:40.877)
Yeah, it's all LA, but I'm at the beach in Santa Monica.

Lori (36:44.398)
Oh, Santa Monica. was thinking San Diego, but Santa Monica. I knew it was in Santa something.

Kelli (36:45.187)
beautiful. That's a beautiful area.

Danielle Frank (36:46.423)
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty nice. I'm just a few blocks from the beach. So it's yeah, it's something special. Yeah. But you know, I can afford it because I don't have kids and I don't, know, I'll be renting for the rest of my life, which is fine with me. I actually don't have a desire, I think, to own. But yeah, you know, those are the trade offs. So

Kelli (36:55.969)
Yeah, that's a beautiful area.

Lori (36:56.526)
it. Love it.

Danielle Frank (37:11.725)
You know, like we said, you if I had a family, I'm sure I'd be very happy, but I'd probably be living, you know, a little closer inland or I might have to leave LA altogether because the cost of living. But so it's the trade off, you know.

Kelli (37:21.047)
Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, do you have dogs now that you're thinking about this other book?

Danielle Frank (37:29.153)
I do have a dog, little Burt Macklin. If you ever saw the show Parks and Recreation, no. So Chris Pratt's character has like an alter ego, like Burt Macklin, FBI, his like alter ego, FBI agent. So he's Burt Macklin. He's Burt. He only gets to Burt Macklin when he's in trouble, which hopefully isn't often, except he caught a squirrel the other day. So he was getting a lot of...

Kelli (37:37.0)
I only watch reruns once in a while.

Lori (37:37.016)
What kind of dog is it?

Kelli (37:43.491)
Lori (37:53.603)
There you go.

Wendy (37:53.702)
You

Kelli (37:54.37)
you

Lori (37:57.828)
Danielle Frank (38:00.545)
my God, that was intense. That was intense. But he's a mutt. He's a lab husky, shiba mix. Yeah, he's a handsome fella. Do you have pets?

Lori (38:00.611)
You okay? You okay?

Kelli (38:01.299)
my gosh.

Lori (38:06.795)
nice.

Very nice. I do, they do not. So they don't know anything about the pet world, but I have three, so.

Kelli (38:09.869)
That's nice.

Danielle Frank (38:17.465)
It's the best, you know, they don't talk back. It's great.

Lori (38:21.646)
Except for when you have three, like somebody's always throwing up or someone's into something and pulled the toilet paper. I have two cats and a dog. Two cats and a dog.

Kelli (38:21.719)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (38:26.029)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (38:30.778)
It sounds like you have cats.

Kelli (38:34.018)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (38:35.264)
Yeah, the toilet paper thing is a big cat thing. Yeah.

Lori (38:38.222)
That's a big cat thing. Yes. But my dog, my dog has some kind of psychological issue with tissues. So she will go and dig through any garbage that's left down and get the tissue, eat it, leave the pieces. So it's just, it's just, it's just life with pets. It's just a whole nother, it's a whole nother ball game. Well, congratulations on your book.

Danielle Frank (38:57.914)
Yep.

Danielle Frank (39:04.196)
Thank you. Thank you so much.

Wendy (39:04.282)
Yes.

Kelli (39:04.311)
Yeah, it's really good. It's very good. I mean, if you, it's a, it's a, like you said, it's a different genre. And, and I, I had totally forgotten about that book, Go the F to Sleep, but it's great. And you, you know, you have to have that sense of humor. And if you don't, you should get it because parenting is not for the weak. And this is very solid advice.

Lori (39:16.47)
best best book.

Danielle Frank (39:20.524)
Yeah, it's, it's.

Lori (39:25.293)
No.

Danielle Frank (39:27.754)
Exactly. And you know what? It's a great baby shower gift. You pair it with a onesie, you're done. Mother's Day, yeah, Mother's Day just passed, but next Mother's Day, you pair the book with a nice bottle of wine for mom. Father's Day, it's a great gift. Fathers are parents too. But yeah, it's a fun book. And even if you're not a parent, if you just want to learn about wine and have a laugh, it's kind of for everybody.

Kelli (39:30.913)
Yes.

Lori (39:32.278)
and a bottle of wine.

Kelli (39:34.306)
Yes.

Lori (39:49.762)
Yeah, a book.

Wendy (39:50.053)
Yeah.

Kelli (39:50.157)
Yeah, it really is a great gift.

Danielle Frank (39:53.155)
Well, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me share with you all in your audience and letting me come on your podcast. I appreciate it.

Lori (40:00.408)
Sure.

Kelli (40:00.95)
It was perfect for us because we love wine and we, like, what you were saying, like, we're all about it. Like, you know, let's all do our best to not raise assholes.

Wendy (40:09.466)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (40:13.503)
Yes, 100%. It's a great motto to live by. I wish more parents lived by that motto.

Wendy (40:13.818)
Yep, that's our motto.

Lori (40:13.901)
Exactly. That's the job. That's the job at hand.

Kelli (40:18.679)
Yeah. Yeah. Like, we're not like, not my kid moms. We're like, what the hell did they do now? You know?

Wendy (40:19.064)
And

Lori (40:20.991)
Yeah, it's not an easy task.

Lori (40:27.367)
Right, right. Yeah, yeah.

Danielle Frank (40:27.423)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:28.888)
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I'm on my way.

Lori (40:31.465)
Except, yeah, except for, except for we drink our, we drink our wine from Costco. We drink.

Danielle Frank (40:32.921)
Yeah

Wendy (40:38.17)
Well, we, I mean...

Danielle Frank (40:38.743)
Costco has great wines. They have fantastic wines.

Wendy (40:43.686)
I told the ladies the Pinot Grigio is from Italy that we drink. I mean, it's $5 a bottle. I'm sorry, but you cannot beat it.

Lori (40:43.701)
Yeah, we like Costco one.

Danielle Frank (40:50.925)
You know what, and Trader Joe's too. They've got Trader Joe's on the East Coast now, right? Yeah, Yeah, I they've got great, I follow this woman. I forgot what her handle is on Instagram, but she's a sommelier and she always gives like recommendations of wines at Trader Joe's and they're all like inexpensive, accessible wines. know, Trader Joe's and Costco, they have non-brand names and they have brand names as well.

Lori (40:55.041)
Yeah.

Wendy (40:56.251)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (41:16.537)
But all for good. I mean, they even have like Dom Perignon and Buff Clico at Costco. So they have like a mix of everything, but at great prices. So yeah, you can't go wrong. They're very picky about, you know, what they put on their shelves to both Costco and Trader Joe's. So, you know, they do their quality checks and they're not going to put anything, any swill on their back bars on their shelves.

Wendy (41:20.964)
Yeah, they do. Yes.

Lori (41:37.485)
Eee!

Kelli (41:37.72)
Yeah, my daughter worked for, she just switched jobs, but she worked for the liquor store at Lovote's. Lovote's is like an Italian market in Jersey. There's like four or five of them. And only the brick location has a liquor store. My daughter worked there and the manager there, Matt, is so well versed. And he started showing me all different things. He got me hooked on Abandonsa, but the label on it, I think it's from Sardinia. Like he told me about the Sardinian wine and.

Danielle Frank (42:04.226)
Hmm?

Kelli (42:06.967)
you know, all of the criteria they have to meet and then they put the label on it. So I only buy wine with that label on

Danielle Frank (42:13.688)
good to know. I didn't even know that. I love that. Yeah, learn something new every day.

Lori (42:16.385)
Well, there you go. See that? There you go.

Kelli (42:16.865)
Yeah. Yeah.

Wendy (42:16.971)
You

Wendy (42:21.988)
What is your go-to wine after a hard day at work?

Danielle Frank (42:25.512)
you know, it's so subject. I think it really depends on my mood, the weather, what I'm eating. I mean, I love, you know, with a good like hearty meal, like meat, steak, I love a good red. And like, I love all ends of the spectrum. Like a bold cab, but I love, you know, Pinot Noir, Volnay. Volnay is like my new favorite that I'm jamming on these days.

Wendy (42:33.007)
Okay.

Danielle Frank (42:52.505)
But I live in LA and the weather's warm and I drink white all summer long. I love a Chablis. I love a Sancerre Sauvignon Blanc. Yeah, I'm an equal opportunist wine drinker. But yeah, a lot of whites, know, especially like, yeah, especially with like fish. And like I said, if I was out with friends yesterday and the sun was shining, so it was definitely a white day.

Kelli (43:13.656)
Yeah.

Lori (43:19.797)
I wanted to ask you, I heard on another podcast that you were talking about something angel.

Wendy (43:20.161)
You

Danielle Frank (43:26.198)
Whispering Angel, that's one of the brands that I get to represent. Yeah, it's one of the best rosés out there. It's a, yeah. That's very good.

Lori (43:27.411)
Whispering angel. Yeah.

Wendy (43:30.956)
Rosé. I've had that Rosé. It is very good. It is very good.

Lori (43:33.109)
Yeah. And you said something about it was the most popular.

Kelli (43:35.715)
That was a big thing on The Housewives of Beverly Hills, you know, because Lisa Vanderpump came out with a rosé and Lisa Rinna went to a party and was like, I want Whispering Angel.

Danielle Frank (43:41.396)
Yes.

Lori (43:47.853)
well, you said it was the most popular French wine in the United States, correct?

Danielle Frank (43:54.744)
Yes, yes. Not only just like the most popular Rose, it's the most popular French wine in all of the US. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that stat was like from a year ago. I think it still is. I can't think of like a French wine that has overtaken it, but yeah, it's really good. I'm very fortunate that I get to represent such brands like that and everything else in our portfolio.

Lori (44:04.459)
Yeah, I thought that was interesting. was like,

Kelli (44:05.186)
Wow.

Wendy (44:05.188)
Really?

Lori (44:12.172)
Yeah.

Lori (44:22.369)
I think I'm have to try it.

Danielle Frank (44:24.17)
Yeah, it's delicious.

Kelli (44:24.791)
Yeah, it's good. I've had it. Lord, they had it. well, remember when we, not that I was drinking on the job, but Laurie and I used to, do catering where we wouldn't cook. We would sit, we were servers at private parties and maniloking like these big houses on the bay and they had the one daughter-in-law. That's like all she drank. they have Bob.

Lori (44:25.687)
Sounds great. you have.

Danielle Frank (44:38.888)
great.

Lori (44:48.226)
No, I didn't notice. I never noticed. well there you go!

Kelli (44:50.813)
I I tasted it then.

Wendy (44:50.982)
It's very big in the Hamptons. I just remember, even Summer House, like the Hamptons is so big in the Hamptons.

Danielle Frank (44:52.768)
hahahaha

Very big.

Kelli (44:57.506)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Danielle Frank (45:02.248)
Yeah, it is. And the brand does a lot of events and visibility stuff out there because it certainly is their core demographic, that's for sure.

Lori (45:10.893)
All right, well, I'm to have try that now.

Wendy (45:11.109)
Yeah.

Danielle Frank (45:12.968)
Yeah, it's very good, very approachable.

Kelli (45:18.007)
And it's not terribly expensive, right? I mean...

Wendy (45:18.214)
All right, so.

Danielle Frank (45:20.886)
No, think it's probably like, I mean, depends, you know, obviously state, it's their own pricing, but you know, 18, 20, $21, in that range, yeah. For a good, you know, French, you know, a rose from Provence, which is, you know, really the best, I think the best style of rose there is.

Kelli (45:29.687)
Yeah, it's not, it's nothing crazy.

Lori (45:29.741)
Yeah

Lori (45:41.705)
All right, cool. I'm on it.

Kelli (45:43.063)
Maybe I'll go get a bottle and we'll go sit on the porch again.

Lori (45:46.538)
It's a mission. It's a mission.

Wendy (45:46.734)
Okay, yes. that is how this podcast came about. I don't know if you know this. So we're called We Wine Whenever because during COVID, we're actually all neighbors. We live literally next door to each other. We would walk around the neighborhood and Kelly and I would talk about Bravo and Lori would not want to talk about Bravo. But when we were done doing our walk, we get to go to my porch and drink wine. So...

Danielle Frank (45:46.784)
That sounds like a lovely idea.

Kelli (45:50.2)
Yeah.

Wendy (46:15.904)
after our walk, you know, we earn the wine, we might as well have the wine, so we would, you know, have wine all the time. So that's how the We Wine whenever came up, because whenever we talk about Bravo, we are drinking wine. It's basically it.

Danielle Frank (46:20.343)
Absolutely. I love that.

Kelli (46:28.685)
Yes.

Danielle Frank (46:28.79)
I love that. I mean, you kind of need some wine to dissect all of the craziness. Yeah.

Lori (46:32.205)
Absolutely. Yes. Yes.

Kelli (46:34.307)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah.

Wendy (46:38.692)
Yeah. So thank you so much for coming on and we'll put your link in our bio so people can find your book. until next time, thank you for watching and listening. Please subscribe and give us five star reviews. Bye.

Kelli (46:54.187)
and visit Danielle's website. Yep.

Danielle Frank (46:56.278)
Again, thank you again for having me.

Wendy (46:56.634)
Yes.

Kelli (46:59.043)
Of course. Real quick, what is your website? What is the?

Danielle Frank (47:05.174)
I send you all, I'll send you all my links. So it's the link to the, or are we still taping and you're asking the website? Oh, okay. Well, I'll send you the link so you have it all in the show notes, but my website is danielfrankauthor.com. And you can also find me on Instagram at createagreatstory.

Lori (47:13.473)
No, it's fine. We're still taping, it's fine. We're all good.

Kelli (47:14.935)
Yeah.

Wendy (47:15.416)
It's okay.

Lori (47:26.34)
cool, I like that.

Wendy (47:27.91)
Perfect.

Kelli (47:28.482)
Thank you. Bye.