Strap in as we embark on a captivating journey with Grace Bufa, a licensed physical therapist, health coach, and yoga teacher. Ever wondered how white privilege molds our day-to-day existence? We dive headfirst into this complex paradigm and discuss how it intersects with modern parenting. Our conversation takes a detour to the golden days, contrasting our own childhood memories with the heavily surveilled lives of today's generation.
Our dialogue with Grace then takes a fascinating detour into the realm of genetic testing and the value it holds for our health and wellbeing. Drawing from her personal journey with genetic testing, Grace sheds light on how understanding her genetic predispositions has guided her health choices. We also zoom in on the critical role lifestyle choices play in our health, dissecting everything from our eating habits to our exercise regimens.
In the final chapter of our conversation, we explore the profound connection between gratitude, joy, and service. We navigate the delicate balance between personal identity and obligations, with Grace providing insightful commentary on the different roles men and women often find themselves assuming. As we wrap up, Grace extends an invitation to listeners to consider seeking guidance from a mentor or coach in their wellness journey. Join us as we navigate these crucial topics, bringing to light the importance of informed health decisions, the power of gratitude, and the joy of service.
Strap in as we embark on a captivating journey with Grace Bufa, a licensed physical therapist, health coach, and yoga teacher. Ever wondered how white privilege molds our day-to-day existence? We dive headfirst into this complex paradigm and discuss how it intersects with modern parenting. Our conversation takes a detour to the golden days, contrasting our own childhood memories with the heavily surveilled lives of today's generation.
Our dialogue with Grace then takes a fascinating detour into the realm of genetic testing and the value it holds for our health and wellbeing. Drawing from her personal journey with genetic testing, Grace sheds light on how understanding her genetic predispositions has guided her health choices. We also zoom in on the critical role lifestyle choices play in our health, dissecting everything from our eating habits to our exercise regimens.
In the final chapter of our conversation, we explore the profound connection between gratitude, joy, and service. We navigate the delicate balance between personal identity and obligations, with Grace providing insightful commentary on the different roles men and women often find themselves assuming. As we wrap up, Grace extends an invitation to listeners to consider seeking guidance from a mentor or coach in their wellness journey. Join us as we navigate these crucial topics, bringing to light the importance of informed health decisions, the power of gratitude, and the joy of service.
So good morning Grace.
Speaker 2:Good morning Brian. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:Thanks, my pleasure. So everyone, this is Grace Bafa. She is somebody who's been a long time yoga student. She is a life coach, a health coach, a wellness coach, yoga teacher, mother, wife, entrepreneur and just a cool person. So I thought it'd be really cool to interview you because I really really enjoy your company and you always have really good pieces of wisdom and insight and I thought it'd be fun to share that with her, whoever watches this thing. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Did I capture your bio correctly? Is that everything?
Speaker 2:Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, I am a licensed physical therapist but I don't practice, so really it's not relevant.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, there you go, but before coming on, it was really interesting. We were talking about well, we're essentially talking about white privilege and that there's. It's kind of like people don't know what they don't know and where we live. I live in Rochester. Where do you live?
Speaker 2:Macomb township.
Speaker 1:Macomb and so out here. You know, there's just not a lot of theft and there's just not a lot of stuff going on, and and now you don't know if I want to call it white privilege privilege, and but what ends up happening is that, you know, we get sort of used to living in the bubble and then the bubble pops and we're like, well, how did that happen? How come they're stealing here at this thing, and why is this sacred place getting robbed? And how come there's all this theft and cars breaking into. And you know, because there's a ton of that now lately.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And and we're like we're so surprised, but if we lived in a more impoverished area, we'd be like that's every day. Wake up, is that?
Speaker 2:weird, exactly, I know, and it's a little bit scary, like for our kids too. We want them to be, you know, growing up in like, yeah, in a nice, you know society night around you know these the bubble. But then when they step outside the real world, like for my boys, I think about you know. Yeah, I want to have, I want him to be a grown man that's able to take care of himself too. So there is a fine line like do we just drop him off in Detroit and say, hey, I don't you know, but I have taken my, my kids, to those places. And you know, we just came back from Mexico and we were in, like in the deep areas where people are living, and I'm like this is like this is the size of our kitchen and this, they're happy, this is, this is all they know.
Speaker 1:And my kids are like, oh my gosh, you know and it's crazy because I think still it's like at least half the world, maybe three quarters, still lives on less than a dollar a day, or $2 a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's the majority of the world. And we were, you know, you know, used to be. You know you want to toughen your kid up, you send them off into the woods or you toss them into the lake and you say, all right, you know, spend the night and I'll see you tomorrow. Now it's like okay, you're going to, I'm going to drop you off somewhere. No cell phone. And here's 10 bucks. Make it, make it back home, see what happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, a lot of it is like, like you know, my son's on. I have some like 360 on him. I know where he's at. He's going down to Cedar Point right now. Like it's my problem. I need to cut the cord, I need to let go so he can be the person and do fail forward and figure out life himself without me. Like you know, snow plowing, I guess they call it, you know appearance Covering.
Speaker 1:Was it helicopter, mom?
Speaker 2:The helicopter mom. I don't want to be that, you know it's like, but it's hard for me, it's really hard.
Speaker 1:Do you think times have changed or do you think it's more? Just that it's so? So the horrible stories are so accessible on social media and we're so drawn to them that, you know, is it that there's more of them or is it just?
Speaker 2:and the fact that there's more people, or is it just our, you know, fear and hovering, I mean yeah, I know, I feel like, well, I think it was a little bit simpler time when we were growing up. Our parents didn't really care that much. I didn't, they didn't care where I was. They knew I was, you know, somewhere around, but nobody knew they couldn't get a hold of me. And now it's, yeah, I don't know. It's a completely different. I think, like those, I don't know if we were scarred or traumatized or things happened that our parents didn't know that they were doing, because they just were doing the best they could do, or we are like we want it to be better for our kids and then it just kind of the snowball effect in that direction. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, people say, oh, it was a simpler time. Well, I think we were simpler, like we just didn't have the technology.
Speaker 2:We didn't have the technology yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you know. So of course your kid was gone and your mom would yell out the window. You know good.
Speaker 2:Aussie Right, exactly, probably a thick Italian accent. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:My mother used to yell. I could be three blocks down in some kids' basement and I'd hear her.
Speaker 2:I feel like, oh, I got it Exactly. Yeah, you're there.
Speaker 1:My butt beating if I don't get home. God, those don't. I mean. I wish I could just say to my kid I'd go, you know, walk downtown and do whatever. But even now she was walking downtown. She's 13 and she was walking downtown with her girlfriends and some older dude approached and said hey, do you want to check out the inside of my truck? I mean, you know, and luckily they all were smart enough to go. No, and you know, they walked away and you know, but yeah, yeah. So, like you know, that was a pass right, she passed that test, good on her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that scares the crap out of me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know so true, so true, I know Scary stuff, yeah, and so you want for them and we want a little bit from them, and at the same time they're you know, and you know at that age I mean we were stupid at that age, we didn't have bike helmets We'd be on a ramp out of you know cardboard and bricks or something and jump over three other kids on our bicycle no helmet, no pads, you know, and probably land on somebody eventually and you're fine, walk it out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Anyway, tell me please a little bit about what you're doing right now. Work wise, and what's your we're, we're, yeah, we're, yeah.
Speaker 2:Great, so well, right now I am, I'm working a lot with genetic, genetic testing and genetic counseling for cardiovascular. I think we had talked about that and so I'm still doing. So those are. It's a saliva test that you know. We get sent back to the lab, it comes back and it is 100% accurate and it tells you what your cardiac markers are, whether you have a heart attack gene or cholesterol or markers for Alzheimer's, dementia, blood pressure, those kinds of things. And I just did it myself. I was a little freaked out about it, I don't know. I got the box and I was like it took me three weeks to do it and so comes back and I have four copies, which is the most copies you can have for heart attack gene and another gene that is for its blood pressure. But really, like I can't, my body doesn't process like, nor epinephrine, correctly. It takes a long time and I'm like, oh, this is because the side effects are anger, aggression, impatience, and I'm like that's so funny Cause that's just being Italian.
Speaker 2:I'm like I'm Italian, has that one and this is why it's taking me this long to get this far on my journey, you know, with patients and calm, but yeah, it's interesting and it was so. Counseling people on, I don't, I'm not afraid of that, I have those, you know, heart attack gene. I mean, it's common and I do things to mitigate that. I already had lived a lifestyle that I I'm doing everything I can, so I'm, I'm okay, and it doesn't mean that it's going to happen to you. It's just hey, this is what you're, these are the cards you're dealt with, but if you continue down a certain path, this is what could happen. So, let's you know, mitigate the that and change the lifestyle. So, working alongside doctors and helping people with lifestyle change in that way.
Speaker 1:So what's the name of the test? Can you just order it, or is it like a prescription?
Speaker 2:It's I can, it's through me, so it's a. It's called vibrant wellness. Is the company and I am a person that can, that can distribute that test to you, can buy it through me. And it's called cardiacs, so it's cardiac with an X at the end.
Speaker 1:How much does it cost?
Speaker 2:So if you decided to do this test through me, it is $650 and that is you get the test sent to you. Inside the test is a FedEx like bag that's already prepaid. It's the you know all the the stuff that you need in there and then the processing of the test and then an hour with me when you get the results, to explain what the results are and how in the lifestyle changes that are necessary.
Speaker 1:That's really cool. Genetics is so cool, man. Now I know like my wife is starting to get to that pre-metaposal stage, and so her biggest concerns are heart attack as well as, as you know, gosh. Whatever else goes on goes along with that. So so I'm not going to ask you, hey, have you stopped having your period? But what I met, what? What are you thinking about for your future in the sense of, like, would you get hormone replacement therapy? Would you get on a patch or a cream which, like? What do you think you'll do knowing that you've got a marker for heart attack?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know beings that were yogis. You want to do everything all natural but honestly, in the end it's like you know those hormones are there for a reason and there's technology there. There's a natural path that I started following and she does bio identical hormone replacement and I would feel safer under like with a person that is functionally like seeing me from top to bottom, understanding where my hormones are, what, like you know what I need and that just given me like like a generic here.
Speaker 1:This is what people your age do and so like a pill that doesn't really meet levels, because we're also unique, right.
Speaker 2:Right yeah.
Speaker 1:My wife is all about studying that right now because she's like. You know, women who are in, you know, of a certain age are the highest markers for heart attacks, the highest, for strokes, the highest. All because you're losing estrogen and progesterone Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so you've got to like find a way to get that without you know your body failing completely.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. So yeah, no, it's. I'm right there with Kate Just digging in. Yep.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. Wow, I got to tell her about. You know, as soon as she hears, oh, there's a test for this, she's going to be like, oh well, I'm going to get that. She's going to have to give you a call too, because she's, because I think in the next year. It's kind of goofy Like we were looking at this online. So my daughter just started having her menstrual cycle and my wife's menstrual cycle was at. They were at different ends of the month and now they are lining up Is that weird, like what kind of animal does that?
Speaker 2:It's so bizarre to me.
Speaker 1:It's the most bizarre thing. And so, yeah, they're, so their periods are changing, and so Kate's not sure if she's in that premenopausage or if it's just adjusting to my daughters, and the two of them are lining up. And, of course, when you Google it, there's like there's no scientific proof, but most women who live with other women will go, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do that with my neighbors, my neighbors, and when I'm one girlfriend that I'm close with not all of them, but I'm, she's like kind of my she turned out to be my best friend. She goes three doors down and our cycles are similar, like within a week apart. I don't understand it. So how does I?
Speaker 1:don't understand it either. Again, there's apparently there's no science on it, but but women know that it's true, like when girls you know become roommates in college, right, they all start to cycle together. So anyway, kate's system is off and Ariela's system is a little bit off right now Cause she's just starting it. She's only hit her third or fourth I think. Hopefully she never sees this, and here's that. I'm talking about her intimate experiences. But yeah, so that's, that's a. So anyway, she, of course she's going to want this immediately because I, my situation is there's something called lipoprotein A.
Speaker 1:You've heard of this, right, we spoke about it and so I'm slightly elevated. High is 50. I'm at like 65 or 66. Well, I've got an uncle who's at 200 and he's had like half a dozen strokes and he's really debilitated. Um, and then apparently my uh, my maternal side, my mother's aunts, so my grandmother's sisters, all died of stroke and they didn't have testing for this stuff.
Speaker 1:So I went and hit my lipids done and there was some stuff that was high. So they're like oh, you got to get it out of Stanton, you got to get out of Stanton. I'm like I don't want to get out of Stanton. I think they're overrated and they have a lot of side effects. So I lost five pounds, started eating less sugar, changed my diet a bit, started increasing fish oil, red rice yeast and one other thing I increased I can't remember what it was and started exercising more. I lost five pounds. My numbers like the bad cholesterol is down, the good cholesterol is up, the triglycerides are down, all the things are like six months later. There's like a nice trend, and so I figure if I lose maybe another five pounds which I could easily get rid of in my middle, I think I'll be in a really good spot and I'm just not that worried. But it was nice to be able to do it sort of just organic and naturally without immediately running into drugs.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, no, exactly, and that's part of what I want to help people with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and you're a big plant-based diet, person, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, because of my husband. He's well. I've always like. When I started getting in the yoga world, everybody is like oh, we're vegan or vegetarian.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh, it's nice. I've already did that for a while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like, oh, that's cool, I kind of wanted, like I shouldn't do that. I want to do that but I never did because, like, that's just me in the house. But since we had trying to figure out why Vito had these high numbers of cholesterol and triglycerides for a lot of years started actually a few years after I took teacher training with you it was that whole road started for me Like why is this happening? Why does Flippo have all these allergies? Why do I have allergies? And so 14 years later, found a doctor that stated hey, eating plant-based has helped people reduce the risk of heart attacks and decreased cholesterol. So we started, we tried that and it has helped him a lot. And he does have genetic dispositions that are quite severe and his body is exhibiting that. So without the help of a preventative cardiologist it's he would be in serious trouble. He really would.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, now I eat that way and my kids eat that way. We don't get sick very often. My kids don't get sick. They don't get the strep throat, all those kinds of the things that typical kids usually get in elementary and high school. So, yeah, I was. So it does work. It is a little bit tricky. Flippo's 18,. He's on his own, he's you know, yeah, he's gonna do too much sugar, not enough sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And he knows, like I'm like, hey, this is what's going on in your body. Hey, you know you've got to make your own choices. Does he go out and get a burger? Absolutely he does. But you know his face is sensitive to that kind of stuff too. So he's, he's really learned.
Speaker 1:So he breaks out and then he's like mom. Why is this happening?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's figured it. He's figuring it out on his own, so I can't, you know, just kind of prompt him to it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, well, look at 18, I was a boy at 18 too. One Right, we are so stupid at that age we don't even know how stupid we are. Is how stupid we are.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So we have no. Our pre-virtual cortex is still not quite developed and we have no sense of consequences and we're just raging hormone monsters. That's about all we are at that age, so don't expect much. Wait till he's about 25 or 30. I know yeah, right. Just, it's, just how it is. It's.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really good stuff. Did you? You know, do you find it interesting too, like when you know, probably when you started doing yoga and people are saying they're doing, they're being vegan, they're being vegetarian, all that stuff, like there's a part of you that kind of knew that, yeah, I probably need to do that. But then we have to wait till a doctor says, oh, you should do this.
Speaker 2:Why do we do that? Well, I mean, that was well. Yeah, I found the research on my own and I made that decision. But yeah, why I don't know? Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:The whole bike coat thing.
Speaker 2:It's not as strong enough. In a lot of you know yoga, people have come up to me and they're like oh well, how come you decided to turn that way it turned.
Speaker 1:you know, not eat animals Turn that way I'm like, yeah, I suddenly became a vampire, yeah, I turned, I turned.
Speaker 2:Why did you.
Speaker 1:Went to the dark side completely.
Speaker 2:Exactly. You know, they asked me and I say, well, for health reasons, and they're like, oh well, I just wanted to save the planet. I'm like, okay, well, I want I'm saving the planet too, and animals and everything Like it's all in there. But like I don't know why it's important, why it has to be one way or the other, I'm like, yeah, I'm doing everything, like I'm helping myself, helping animals, helping the planet, like.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:It's just interesting, like we're the you know cause, yeah, we do want. We want to help everything and everyone and be useful to the planet, and but I want to live a healthy life. I want a little.
Speaker 1:Well, I want to live a long, healthy life. You know it's like I'm an old dad, I'm 58. I got a 13 year old daughter. I want to be around when she has kids or gets married or has life things. I don't want to. You know it's yeah, I got a motivator and I think that a lot of us need a like a serious motivator or a serious scare, because most people won't change until they've had a scare.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Bottom line. Most people are not. You know, I don't. I'm not in enough pain or I'm not going to follow my intuition enough and trust it until I've had that scare, like so many times. We've taken our kid to the doctor and Kate knows exactly what's wrong with her. Then the doctor confirms it, like you already knew. Why did we? Why did we just spend a hundred bucks? You know the thousands we spent in medical bills having the doctor go. Yeah, that's exactly what's wrong.
Speaker 1:I know right, you know or with ourselves, like you know, we already know if you, if you're somewhat introspective, you'll listen and you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But we ignore that gut thing until somebody with a white coat says, oh yeah, you got to do this, and then even still, I mean half the time it's sort of maybe a little. What is that? Why do we do that?
Speaker 2:I don't. You know, some people don't even realize that they're that what's going on, because a lot of people aren't that in tune. You know, I didn't realize. When I came to you before I, you know, when I decided to do teacher training, I did have, I had an eating disorder and I, when I came and did the teacher training with you, I was so thirsty for spirituality and I was not loving myself. I didn't know how to. And through, you know, that process of growing in that space, I learned how to love myself differently and the eating disorder started to subside and dissipate.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize, I didn't know that. You know, actually it was in denial that I even had something like that wrong with me. I had the doctor, I was trying to get pregnant with Sleepo and the doctor said you're anorexic and I said no, and they're like, I'm like I eat food, like what's like? What are you talking about? But the way, you know, my hormones were and she was a little bit, she was more a little crass on the. It was not good. It was not good. It was not a not a good scenario.
Speaker 1:But it wasn't a soft landing.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a soft landing, exactly, and so I was in denial about that. But then, after going through teacher training and really diving into me and understanding me better, and it's taken a still that journey, you know, continues to unfold now, 15 years later, to understand that. But yeah, I you know, and so it's an emotional thing, that people are attached to food and then the food ends up being detrimental in their body and they yeah, even when people are sick, they continue to eat this, do the same things cause they, just they. That's the mindset.
Speaker 1:So you just kept saying when it came back to like turning it to self love or spending more time thinking of yourself that way, that was a pivot.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, teachers, like I don't know if you realized like I would not be where I'm at today. It's all started with me finding an ad in natural awakenings for your teacher training and I, when I came to your old, the old studio and there was a class going on. Well, at that point I was, I was depressed, I was, I was not happy because I came from and I realized now what that was. I had taken all these personality tests over the past year and it's like, oh, I need to be around people.
Speaker 2:I need to be. I can't just be at home by myself.
Speaker 1:Right With a kid. Well, my husband works Right.
Speaker 2:Exactly so when I had Filippo, it was. It was me by myself all the time waiting for people to wake up from their naps you know Vito sleeping. You know he worked at night and Filippo was such a good sleeper. And so I asked my, my girlfriend, because she was always teaching aerobics. I said so what do you like, maybe you know, do you teach yoga? She taught like at lifetime and she's like, yeah, just take I don't know some gym, online yoga thing. And I'm like, no, I took a yoga class like years before that in Berkeley.
Speaker 2:It was I don't even know like how many, it was probably like eight years prior. It was like a few classes, but I loved it. I don't know why I didn't continue it, but I thought I don't even want to take classes, I want to be the teacher. And then when I saw you, you're like, do you want to teach here or do you want to teach in a gym? And I was like, no, I got to teach here. And from that point everything changed. You know it's that, you know, brought me to wow, I'm not loving myself, I don't even know how to do that to how do I live life without, you know, getting cancer when I'm, you know, 60 plus. Can I do that? People always seem to you know they get old, they acquire these elements. Do we have to do that? So you know, yeah, yoga did all that for me. It's like okay.
Speaker 1:so I think that's pretty cool. What a great endorsement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I hear I am. It's like listen, health is not just what you eat, it's how you think, how you feel about yourself. What are your thoughts Like what? How are you taking care of your stress? And, and you know, conscious breathing Like pranayama was a huge thing. I always had back problems and you know that. But breathing like when I started doing that regimen in those first three months, like sun salutations in the morning, I never felt better in my whole life than when I started doing that. So it just took away everything. It was magic. But putting in the work is, but it was. It was you Like. You guided that for me and I'm ever grateful for for you, because I would not be here.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. I love that, thank you. Thank you, I mean, you know there's there's first of all thank you, I mean I'm happy to receive that, but then there's also the. You know there's plenty of people that have done teacher training and they go into a teacher training light and they kind of sort of show up and they kind of sort of do half the stuff and they kind of sort of leave and you kind of sort of never see them again. And you know, and some people are like no, this is a catalyst, like a real jumping off point, for so so you finished teacher training, you were teaching for me, and then you really kind of dove right like deep into health and wellness, right, yeah, well, so because you had a child at that point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So at that time Flippo was like three and then he had a really bad weekend with allergies and veto was struggling with the cluster Also. I dove deep into research and figuring that out, but I was always fascinated with, you know, science, body, physical therapy, helping people heal from the outside their limbs. And then, like when I started teaching yoga, I'm like, wow, that's helping people inside from the inside out.
Speaker 2:Yeah being part of a community, all that stuff. I mean I was yeah, so all that lifted for me, I could see the benefits of doing all that and and then, yeah, from that point I then I had Giovanni and then I was like, what am I going to do? Like I felt like I couldn't, I didn't, I didn't know if I wanted to teach 20 yoga classes a week to make, you know, to make, like a living.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but, and I and I loved it. But so I'm like, what do I do? Like what's where's my purpose? Like I have to. So I was trying to figure that out and Alan Harris had a he had like this like a five week, six week kind of thing where it was trying to find your purpose, and through that I was like, wow, I really love telling people like I was always, I was consulting somebody, always. Well, what do you do? How do you work out? Would you teach yoga, Like what do you? Like all that was coming into play. So I was always consulting somebody and I'm like, wow, I really love doing that, I love those conversations, I love talking about that, love helping people navigate those problems. And like I didn't even know that there was such thing as a health coach. And so I went, I researched and like, oh, that there is. So I, yeah, I did that. So still taught yoga still. And then I went back to working in physical therapy until I became certified.
Speaker 1:So got it and then so where did you become a health coach Like? What organization did some of you recommend?
Speaker 2:or Well, I started off with health health coach Institute, which is certified. You know they're backed up by the International Federation of Coaches. So I thought, okay, well, that's reputable, but at the time there it was starting to become more managed by the medical field. And then when I got done with that certification there, they offered this board certification that came out that we don't have to get. But pretty soon, in the next five years, you're not going to be able to say that you're a health coach without being board certified, Because they have to regulate it, because people are just out there saying their health coaches and they're just like working out in the gym or something I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So then I went back to another program that was board certified and had all that you know, credentials, and it's called real balance, and the person that teaches real balance is actually the doctor or professor that sits on the board and made the whole test up. So they he, he couldn't, yeah, so it's the guy. He's the guy Exactly.
Speaker 1:So if I say, if you take any class or any kind of, you know, I mean outside of, I mean a lot of people go to college and they do this too and they're it's credentialed that way as well, but yeah yeah, but I mean, you know, look, when you're 18, when you know, you know you're grown to dollars at some life experience and you know a lot more, and then then you can bring that to the table as well, which is just so much better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, you, exactly when you are, yeah, when you're younger, it's it's. I don't know when I see people that say their life for health coaches and they're 20 years old or something, I'm like I don't know it's like why'd you become a life coach?
Speaker 1:Well, because I like health and I like life and exercise. Okay, well, what challenges have you had that you overcame through this? Right, you know I was depressed once. No, come on, I mean, what health challenges have you had? Well, you know, I had this pimple, and you know.
Speaker 2:Right, right. And so I know it's like they want to help people in some capacity, but they're not sure what capacity. Right, who does it?
Speaker 1:18. Right, you have no capacity to do you dominate 18. Like, yeah, sorry, 18 year olds, you're dumb. Wait a few years. You had some life. Had a kid stubbed your toe, you know, got a job, got fired, then you. Then you got some life.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, I agree, I agree so that's awesome.
Speaker 1:And then, who's your typical client right now, like who do you look forward to work with?
Speaker 2:People that, so any anybody that has struggled with weight. They want to lose weight. They've done the yoyo dieting, they, they might be on the verge of getting diabetes cluster, all kind of that, most kinds of things that are coming up and they're just sick and tired of not being able to keep the like they can lose it. But then that comes back as the problem that is not being solved is the mindset part of it, the emotional part of it and, you know, again goes back to it's like, yeah, me having the eating disorder was, you know, I was underweight. That was an emotional problem. People that are overweight is the same problem, the same thing. So, understanding that emotional component, how are you not loving yourself? How can we figure out what, what you're missing and taking those small steps that you're going to, you're starting to lose the weight and then so we take, we know.
Speaker 2:Then you know, first half of the program, you understand how to eat. What's going on the other half of the program, it's like how let's change your thinking. So in a lot of it is these people are, it's a deprivation mindset. Well, you know, when you come to me it's not. It's like what can, okay, what can I have Like switch it all around, so it's. It's that kind of thing, people that are that maybe had they had a diagnosis that they don't know how to navigate. If somebody says, you know you have heart disease and this is how you have, you should eat like this, you should do this, and they're like so overwhelmed, you know I can help them navigate those diagnosis, maybe reverse it. You can reverse diabetes, you can reverse heart disease, you know, just by making those lifestyle changes that they don't know even how to do because they just feel overwhelmed by the diagnosis anyway. So I can help people navigate that and beyond their medical team.
Speaker 1:That's so helpful being kind of being an advocate, you know, because, well, the doctor said this, the doctor said that, but this is what it means and you know, the doctor only had 15 minutes with you because that's all they get paid for, so, right, there's a whole lot of limitations. Like, having you out there is probably really helpful, I would imagine.
Speaker 1:Yeah what is that thing with people and I'm? I fall into the same category. I had some. I had a shoulder surgery, right, so I was getting physical therapy three days a week for rehab, and so there's three you know hours an hour plus a day that I was leaving my scheduled life to go do this thing. And I thought to myself, when this is over, I'm going to go to the gym three days a week, or I'm going to practice yoga three days a week. I mean I've got the time, you know, I've scheduled this so I can do that. Soon, as it was over, I was done.
Speaker 1:Those hours got eight up again and I and I, you know, years later, I've created a really nice routine for myself. Like right now I get up in the morning, I take my tea, take care of the animals and by at seven, so around 730. I do squats and jumping jacks and jump squats and push ups and sun salutations. Then I take a six minute ice bath and I'm good and it only takes like 15 minutes. I mean it's, you know, 20 minutes max, but it's like a really good salad, hard, something to do every single morning and I love it and it's taken me years to get like a really consistent something, you know. But I mean, I wish I could say to you this is the thing that motivated me, but it just I just was kind of sick and tired of being sick and tired. I needed something, but when I'm not sick and tired I ain't gonna do it and nobody else is Right, right, well, because your brain, that's how we're like wired.
Speaker 2:The brain says, brian, you haven't died yet, so what's the big deal? Just sleep in a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right. Don't mind those heart flutters, they'll go away.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's fine. So, like you, like you said it, like you have to, there's a drive, that there's an underlying motivation, whether you journal down, like how you feel after that, and when you don't feel like doing it, it's like oh yeah, wow, I really I wrote down yesterday that I feel really good and this is how I felt. And or you know, when I get to be, what you're doing is they've actually the science is behind it where it's like if you do three, three Tabatas or three of those you know bursts of exercise, even four minutes, three times a week, something like that, it reduces your risk of a heart attack by 50%. So it's huge and people don't understand. All you need is a couple of minutes, but what is the motivating factor behind it? Your motivating factor still is ariela and you know your family, and so that's that you have to have a deeper like where are your values? What are you like?
Speaker 1:How do you so? How do you, let's say, somebody comes to you and they say I want to make some life changes. They're, they know they need to do it, but they're not quite sick and tired of being sick and tired. Right, they're almost at that point, but they haven't really hit their proverbial wall. They haven't had a cardiac event, they haven't been diagnosed with some thing, but they're on the way to it. Like, how do you help them find their hot button?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard. I have somebody right now. He's a president of two companies and he wants to be proactive. He doesn't want to. You know. He's like, you know.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it's tricky, but what stage of change? There's about four, five stages of change that we go through. So pre-contemplation is no, not even thinking about it, don't care. Contemplation you're like, okay, maybe I'll think about it. And then, you know, preparation is where you're like, yes, this is so. There's just a discussion that has to be in that pre-contemplation stage where you're like I don't even want to have this conversation, but I'll listen to you. So, pre-contemplation, so it's like, yeah, you have to. There's just discussions and okay, what are the pros, what are the cons? Like, and then you have to get more pros than cons to even take an action. So that's yeah, you have to start off where they're at. Okay, you don't want. Okay, so you have a, you have diabetes and you have to lose weight. What do you want to do right now? You have to eat different, you have to exercise or move your body. What do you want? What do you feel like you want to do first? Well, none of that. Okay, well, let's, let's have a conversation.
Speaker 1:Then you know, Right, right, you just want to melt off and just take a pill, and that's the other American mindset. Just give me a pill, make you go away, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I know it's hard. So, yeah, it's just, you have to meet people where they at and you have to. They have to be seen from you, and when they know that you're listening to them and that you're not forcing them to do anything you know this as a coach it's like it's well, what would you like your quality of life to be? What, what, what is important to you, what are your values? And so when they start to say, well, I want to be, I want to play with my grandchildren, I want to be, get down, I'm like I had one guy right now, I just want to tie my shoe. I can't tie my shoe right now. It's embarrassing if I have to tie my shoe in public, but like that was his problem and you know, that's like wow, like we don't think about that.
Speaker 2:So, it's, it's like what's your motivation.
Speaker 1:How do you get them to like keep that motivation like right here, because you know, okay, this is my motivation. I want to see my daughter, you know, grow up and have a career and, you know, just be able to enjoy her life. I've put in the time. I deserve to see that. I'd like to see the end game. You know as much as I can, yeah, and. But you know we're selfish and we have needs and we numb out and we're tired, and you know motivation. And how do you teach them to keep it like so so that they wake up in the morning and go oh yeah, this is my motivation, let's get going, because, because, because you forget, it becomes less urgent. You know, yeah, suggest to people.
Speaker 2:I mean it's you know I have them write it down, like what is their deep. You know motivations and you know I have them look at it. They post around Also.
Speaker 1:Like in their house, in the mirror in the car or wherever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, also, I think gratitude is a huge thing that I learned from you as well. It's. You know, we take our bodies for granted and, you know, every day I journal like thank you, and sometimes it's not, you know, and I know we had this conversation too about gratitude, but it's like I don't just go. Sometimes I am going through the motions and I know that and I'm tired, I don't, you know, like whatever, but it's most of the time it's like I don't just say thank you for breathing my lungs, thank you for beating my heart. It's God, really thank you, like because some people didn't wake up today.
Speaker 2:So if you have some kind of like understanding that like this, you don't have pain today, you don't wow, that's a, that's a, that's huge. You know you have to really practice those kinds of things. But to get people to start at first, it's like they have to at least have, they have to want to. I haven't yet had a person that I'm the last resort. For anybody that's come to me, I am the last, their last resort, and so it hasn't been too, too bad of a problem because they got.
Speaker 1:They come with motivation.
Speaker 2:They come with the motivation, and if they don't have it and I see that then I can't take them on because I can't do. I don't have the magic wand and that's why I stopped doing physical therapy. I don't have the magic wand to to fix. You know what's going on. If you didn't do your exercises, I don't know what to tell you. You have to put the work in. So if, if they can't, you know I'll. I'm holding their hand, we're both going up the mountain together. But if you know I have, I have the roadmap, but just tell me where you want to go, and if you don't want to go, then I can't take you there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. That's always the most frustrating thing. It's like somebody hired me recently and she was like I'm unhappy about this, this, this, this, this. And I'm like, okay, she goes. I think I want to do more yoga, more meditation. So I taught her, I videotaped her doing yoga or videotape recorded her doing yoga and with me teaching, and then also I recorded a meditation. And so when we met, you know, later, a few weeks again, I'm like, all right, so how often have you done it? Well, I didn't. Then you don't want to change. What are you? You're wasting my thanks for the money, but you're wasting my time. But one of the things you said that kind of struck me was you said something about thank you for beating my heart, thank you for breath in my lungs, so you're connecting to your higher power. That yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And that by the look in your face. That's a that's a strong connection.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I found it.
Speaker 1:It's not negative, I'm just observing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've. Yeah, I definitely it's important to me to do that every day, and I found it in your yoga studio. I found it through you know, isn't that amazing.
Speaker 2:Exactly it really is. I mean everything from you know, the breathing, the, the, the yoga poses, the Krishna Das, like why is that on my bucket list? I want, I like I want to go to New York and pay a thousand dollars just so I can say I stand in front of Krishna Das because he helped me, like, feel that too. And I think a lot of people they go or go into the motions and they don't really. You know a lot of people that go to you know organize religions as well. It's like they go through motions and they do the things that you know that are supposed to prepare you to feel sourced and God, but they, they, they're missing it. And so I think that's something that you and I feel like I can help people. Like we can't help people unless you've experienced that for yourself.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah, you can't. You can't talk to talk unless you walk the walk. But I find it interesting is, like so many, you know, we, we don't talk about religion in Red Lotus yoga. We don't preach anything, we don't right.
Speaker 1:There's nothing God mentioned at all Deeply spiritual, but nothing God or devotion or any of that stuff. And we're looking for retreat centers to do yoga retreats. So many of them are religion and the religious. They won't let us in because we're not religious. It's like we do a lot of spiritual stuff here, buddy, but you know, oh, it's not in the name of this deity, so therefore you can't come. It's like, oh, my God.
Speaker 2:I know which is which is. I know it's a really a big misconception for sure, so silly it is Anyway that's.
Speaker 1:That's a whole other aside where you know people find God in yoga but you can't come to our place because it's it's. You know it's the same God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like this is. This is a topic that my you know one I've let somebody I partnered up with. He is, you know, he's gone through the, the seminary. He's went through like the deacon path. He doesn't want to be a deacon but just to get the study from it. And when we had started to have dialogue and talk he's like you know he's because I was telling him he could tell I was in the sense of an Eastern mindset, you know, and he's like that's interesting and as we continue the dialogue, because his religion, well he's, he's Eastern Catholicism, like Eastern part of the Catholic church, which the East has a lot of the physicality where the West they have more of the mind. And you know, it would be really cool if they can both people can understand that they both need to be together.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, and that's like that was his. Ah, like maybe we can do that, we can help people with that, and they're you know, it's like yeah.
Speaker 1:It's cool to find somebody open-minded. I mean, yeah, I mean, the thing I heard was from a couple of religious places where we do retreat, had done them in the past, and they don't want to let us back in is because it allows them to discriminate. So if they say, well, we're only this base or that faith based, then they can tell me we don't want you, and so they have to maintain that because there are groups that they really don't want, and apparently yoga is one of them, but it allows them to discriminate. Well, like I thought we would have. We evolved past that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you would think, you would. You would think.
Speaker 1:We're not a hate organization. We teach yoga.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, but if they would dig deep then they could see the core, there's correlations and yeah, but they would have, you know, they'd have the Aryan Brotherhood, their faith based.
Speaker 1:So it's okay, Like what? Okay, I don't anyway. There was a point that you made, though, that I wanted to circle back to, and it was about oh, gratitude. So do you ever listen to Andrew Huberman? Huberman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So he was talking about gratitude and just how it, how it is wired in the brain, and gratitude journals are super helpful and are really good in road to that. Yet what he also said, if I remember it right, is that receiving gratitude, which is way harder, does has a greater sort of neural connection impact in the gratitude world. So one of the things that Kate and I do every night when we go to bed is we lay down, you know, we turn the lights off and I thank her. She's thanks to me for three things and it might be, you know, thanks for making dinner, thanks for working so hard today, thanks for, you know, putting the cap on the toothpaste. It can be something simple, but it's sort of acknowledging somebody, and I I'm I'm very good at receiving that from her. She's like well, it was no big deal. Are you sure you like the dinner? Well, I could have done this better. I'm like, can you just take the compliment? Yeah, yeah, just receive the thing, because apparently in our mind that.
Speaker 1:So why do a gratitude journal at all? Well, gratitude leads to contentment. Contentment leads to happiness, according to my teacher, lamma Marout, and so if we are in a state of gratitude, or practicing gratitude and receiving it, we get more content. Well, what's content? Well, I'm happy with the way things are. I may want some changes, but I'm not angrily hungering towards. It's gotta be this way, not the way it is here. And then that leads to that level of happiness and that we all seek and desire. Right so? But gratitude, he says, is the very first step, but it's the receiving of it which is really kind of an interesting idea, because you can't really manufacture that unless you're out there doing nice things for people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I know I love that, I love that you and Kate do that and I yeah, taking one of those gems into my home too with that. It's just because it matters. And it really when you get to be married like Vito and I would be married 23 years in October. So when you get to that point, sometimes you don't want it to be just inertia, you want it to be still like really acknowledging that person, and when they don't receive it, they're not letting you do what you are trying to do for them, right, and so it's we have to as human beings, because we all do that. I do that too, to be like thank you, like just graciously, like take it in as hard as it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just swallow the pill without water, just like yeah, you're welcome, right? Yeah, it's. The idea is to. Also, when you're doing nice things for people, is to do it without wanting or needing the acknowledgement. So to make it a real gift, to make it a more heartfelt thing, you do it with selflessly. There's this phrase. My grandfather and uncle were fighting one time. I probably told you the story 100 years ago back when we were kids, and my uncle said well, what the FD want from me, and my grandfather said I don't know, I think from you I want for you. And that line always stuck with me because that's how we should give is for the sake of wanting for them, not for the thank you or for the adaboy or the acknowledgement. But there's a part of our brain that wants that. Yet to do it from a as pure of a place as we can get to, I think, is a sweet spot to try to acquire.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And that's like I think that's part of the practice too is like letting go of that, the ego. And when you practice mindfulness, you are aware of the ego coming in and then you can say no, no, not doing it, for that Like just reroute again. But that I think that's a great point, because one of my things too is always like whenever I get frustrated with work or something like that, it's like okay, no, I'm forgetting why I'm doing this. It's like and you bring like God or source or whoever you wanna say, into it and you're just, it's like all is done with and through you period. And when you have that intent, which is what you're saying, that intent of just caring and love and just for doing it, then like sky's the limit, like it's going to, like it will be done, it will show.
Speaker 1:Right, and the reality is, is you end up being happier? Yeah, yeah, the people around you might think God, why are you so happy? What's wrong with you You're like? Well, because I try to think about life differently and I feel personally. I feel like I'm here to be of service to other people. And so, yeah, last night the studio flooded. Kate and I were here until 1.30 in the morning and the place was destroyed and we put it back together so that there would be classes this morning At 11 o'clock. At night, I was in bed, asleep and I was like I need to go to the studio and check.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:I don't want to. I want to sleep. I'm tired and I grabbed my shop back and I came up here and I called Kate. When I got here I said that's totally trashed, you got to come up. She and Ariella came up and we were here till late. But it's for the service of others, so that way we could be open this morning rather than calling an insurance agent and spending time and money and having stagnant water and I slept. I mean, god, I really wanted to. I would have kicked myself this morning, coming in here, going crap. I got to cancel classes and then we're not serving people. So it's the responsibility to take on, I suppose. But when you do that, it's like okay, this is okay, this is okay, it's not. You know how bad was it? Not that bad, because I'm doing this for others.
Speaker 2:Well, especially when you see people walk out and they're like just in this glow and they're like thirdness and love, that's what captured me from physical therapy. I'm like I'm not going back there. I'm like I came from you just killed me to oh my God, I love you. I feel like having that. It's a different feeling. So when you're going through that pain of being there at one o'clock in the morning but then able to see those happy faces, when that enlivens you, I would imagine.
Speaker 1:Sure. And do you ever encourage people in your coaching to say your job's killing you and or is your approach to your job that's killing you? Because sometimes there's this term, we use it things are empty of any nature of their own, right, you know, this pen is just a pen. You know what's it worth 25 cents. But if I said to you hey, you know I've got a million dollar idea, you don't have a pen, pay me a thousand dollars for this pen. Not a pen's worth a lot more, right? Yeah, then you can write down the idea that I give you to make a million bucks. But the point is, you know, the pen itself doesn't have a lot of intrinsic value, it's the value we give it. So the jobs you know our job doesn't have a whole lot of value, if at all. It's the value we place on it. And do you ever talk to people in your coaching and say look, you know you've got this image of you. Know you're the big cheese, but you're really not. So you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, where are you? Like you identify yourself with that role, like strongly. It's really. Yeah, it's a hard thing to how people understand because they are killing themselves. If they're the boss and they're there all the time and I say, if it's, you know, not their business, it's like, okay, where's your boundaries? Like you die, they're gonna just replace you. They don't care.
Speaker 1:They'll like say a prayer for you for one time you sign on the door next week and new face sitting in the chair.
Speaker 2:Exactly so it's like, but you're putting your whole life value in this job and they don't even care about you.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And you know I say that to Vito too. You know he had, you know, hurt his back about 10 years ago and I said why are you? You know you're getting paid the same whether you have where you take out 10 boxes or you take out a thousand boxes, like same money. So they know that you can take out 1200 boxes, so in, but in that case you're gonna kill your back. But if you take out 10 boxes they're not gonna say anything to you. Same thing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So, and if you die, they'll just replace you. So what does it matter? You know, and so people have to. It's like a identity thing to identify with that role and they stick the worthiness to that instead of understanding again how to love themselves in a different way.
Speaker 1:Do you find, do you think it's more men that identify with their careers that way than women do, or are you finding it not that way?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I do the men a lot more with the careers, but women their role in taking care of everything, Like if they do have a career then they're balancing, like taking care of their kids, and then they don't have any time for themselves so they're you know, running around with eating fast food and you know doing that because they're not preparing. It's all about preparing and allowing the time, and what's important to you in that time, that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1:It's such an interesting thing between men and women. It's like you know, I identify with my career as this is me, this is my studio, this is my office. This is like you know, you know how, like when you have a little kid and they have a dollar, a binky, and you take it away and they're hysterically crying Because at that age they think you're taking a piece of them, because they identify it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is little babies. We're grown up babies and we do the same stupid thing. Right, I can't leave my job. I'm so self-important and it's like, no, you're not. You're very replaceable to the big picture, but we're not replaceable to our families. And people forget that. Like as a man, I forget that all the time. You know I'll be in a really bad space. I'll say, you know, okay, you'd be so much better without me. Go find somebody who's got more money, you know, or whatever you know, it's all right if this kills me. I've got a good life insurance policy. You and my daughter, you'll be fine. And she's like are you kidding me? That's not no. She's like no, you'll destroy us. You know our attachment to you and men don't really think that way. It's not really part of our. You know where our self-esteem is based, not so much on our families, as it is typically anyway. You know on our jobs, career, reputation, money.
Speaker 1:Well, it is accomplishments, goals, you know.
Speaker 2:But taking care of you know like your job as a man is to provide for your family and to make sure that they're provided for, and as long as that happens for them, then that's then you're good.
Speaker 1:I'm doing, I did my job right, and if I die in the process, well so what? You know, I did my job. Right, it's so stupid. I mean, you know, because nothing's more important than my wife and daughter. And then women think just polar opposite.
Speaker 2:Yes, Well they're, they give, give, give, and they don't. You know, I know men do this as well too, but you see it differently. Yeah, but yeah, it's the same thing. It's like well, I can't you know, I want my kid to be in 25 different activities.
Speaker 2:That's why I don't have time to work out. That's why I don't have time to make a meal. Well, maybe they don't have 25 activities, maybe it's like one, I don't know. You have three kids and you're all, so you're running around all day long just shuttling them. I like that.
Speaker 1:Right Cause they don't feel like they're doing their job. If they're not, you know, hand in the pot taking care of all these little you know pieces running around, and then I don't feel like I'm doing my job If I'm not bringing enough money or doing the the other things. It's a, it's a weird thing. And then we all get caught up in a role and then forget, you know, about each other in relationships and that we're about ourselves and our health and you know, walking around with dad bods Right. That's a new term right.
Speaker 2:It is yeah.
Speaker 1:No, it's so true, so true yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a it's a different mindset and it's not to diminish, like the masculine and the feminine, I guess, traditional roles, I mean I'm not saying that they have to stay the way they are, but at the same time, you know, I think that are like at least my parents. Anyway, my dad worked, you know, six days a week. I mean I'm not saying that they have to stay the way they are. You know, six days a week he was left in the morning, you know, came back at night when I was bedtime and I never really saw him. My mom stayed home, took care of us, my brother and I.
Speaker 1:I think those are very traditional, you know 1960, 70s roles, and then things have changed quite a bit, thank God, but there's still a masculine feminine probably going to get really big trouble because, well, what about transgender? What about? You know? What about all those other stuff? I'm not discounting any of those things, it's just that there's also nothing wrong with having those roles, because it's just sort of. At least you know, it's how I'm wired and maybe my wife is wired the way she's wired. I mean, why would I change that? Why not just embrace who I am and what I am and other people embrace who and what they are, right, you know. So it's not the change or diminish at all, but it is a funny thing how we just kind of naturally go there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, I know, I know Well society too. It's a societal type of mindset as well.
Speaker 1:And that's the greatest conflict too, because I'll be like well, kate, can't you understand what I'm doing? It should be like no, stay home with us and just spend time with us. I'm like no, I got to work. She's like no, you don't. And then I'm like what's wrong with you? Why is this important? She's like don't you understand what I'm doing? No, I know.
Speaker 2:It's hard because one of my clients says well then, if I do, I'll just be lazy. It's like well, I'll be lazy if I do that. Or that's for people that are complacent. They do stuff like that. I'm like no, no. The less you do, the more you get done. It's a concept that people don't understand.
Speaker 1:If you're gaming all day long. Yes, you're being lazy, sure, sorry, you're just numbing out on stupidness, but you're right, you're a thousand percent right. I mean, a lot of times again, when I have a cup of tea in the morning, I'm just waiting to wake up, just wandering my mind and planning my day and writing down things to do, and I'm not like this is my to-do list and I've got pen in hand and I'm, but I am just sort of I'm not focused on other things, I'm just kind of daydreaming really, and that's where some great ideas come from.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:It's not. So I'm not doing nothing, but I'm not doing something. I'm not cutting the lawn or working yes. I think it's really important for people.
Speaker 2:Yes, they don't understand. Like you have to clear the clouds. Like you know I know we've used it in their analogy a lot it's like it's all cluttered in there and nobody can get into those ideas because there's a lot of clouds. If you clear the clouds by just sitting, having tea, and those ideas bubble up that you couldn't hear before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that time is very intentional. The other thing that you know I find is sometimes in those mornings I'll be like oh, let's check the weather, oh, let's check my emails, what's going on on Facebook, and then suddenly and in the morning you'll prewire your brain for the day and then all day long I'm looking at my phone. If I take that first half hour or an hour and don't pick up my phone the rest of the day, I don't have a desire. It's like eating. Like if I put a bunch of sugar in my tea in the morning, I usually have like a green tea or something you know, with lemon, just to clean me out, but if I put honey in it, I want sugar all day. Yeah, to crave it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like you, wire the brain for the day in that very first hour or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so true, and this is what a lot of people do. What if you roll over, pick up your phone because, like, who has alarm clock anymore? They look at their phone and they check Facebook off the bed, their eyes just open, and then all of a sudden, there's some traumatic thing that happened on Facebook or somebody put something horrible on there, and then that's how you start your day. Then you're, you know. So one thought goes to another thought goes to another thought and all of a sudden, like you're tripping over your, you're stubbing your toe, that's, the toaster broke and get into a car accident. Right, it's like no, people don't understand. Like that's how you, like, I even start the night before, like you get into a fight with Kate.
Speaker 2:If I get into a fight with somebody the night before and you don't clear that out, somehow you wake up the next day and you're pissed off again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you haven't slept. I love it. When Kate wakes up mad at me in the morning, I'm like what are you mad at? Well, in my dream, this is what you did.
Speaker 2:I'm so glad.
Speaker 1:And if you love me, you wouldn't even do what you did in here.
Speaker 2:So there is I know so funny it's awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, it's been about an hour. We should probably call it, but I would love to do this again. This was so much fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:How do people reach you if they want to have this cardiac test and figure out where they are and get you know, coached by you? How do people do that?
Speaker 2:So they can go to my website, lifejourneycoachingnet. Yeah, they can call me 586-246-1123. And those are my two main, you know, means of communication that you can get directly to me Cool.
Speaker 1:And do you have social media? Do you like post stuff and stuff?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so yeah, Facebook, LinkedIn and Instagram. It's Grace Bufa Speaks and I believe on LinkedIn is Grace Bufa, I think yeah.
Speaker 1:Grace, thank you so much. This was such a delight.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much. It's been an honor. It was a pleasure to be here with you. Thank you.