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Before You Cut Bangs
2.8 Why Church Hurt Keeps People Out of Therapy
We dig into the crucial differences between Licensed Professional Counselors (LCPs) and pastoral counselors, addressing how negative church experiences can deter people from seeking effective therapy. Inspired by a listener's traumatic encounter with an unlicensed "counselor" who imposed detrimental contractual agreements, we delve into avoiding harmful mental healthcare experiences. We discuss essential questions to ask and emphasize seeking appropriate care: just as you wouldn't consult a church for a broken leg, mental health concerns require qualified professionals.
Welcome to, before you Cut Bangs. I'm Laura Quick and I'm Claire Fehrman. I am a professional storyteller and I'm currently working on my first book.
Speaker 2:I have worked in mental health for many years in lots of capacities and this is a really important time to tell you our big disclaimer this is not therapy. We are not your therapists or coaches or anything like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you shouldn't really trust us very much at all, unless you want to and it turns out well, then you can trust us. That's great. I have a confession, oh okay, okay. On the way here this morning when I texted and said I was running a bit behind, which is obviously I knew yourself to a great start being on time.
Speaker 2:I wasn't going to mention that.
Speaker 1:I don't want to hear it. What I learned about myself is I looked for my phone in my house for a substantial amount of time before I realized that it was in my back pocket.
Speaker 3:I thought you were going to say your hands. Me too, back pocket's a little bit better.
Speaker 1:I mean I was like where is it? I just had it and then only to find it in my pocket. It was a dark time for me.
Speaker 3:Okay, I just I feel like we need to really set the record straight on who we are as people. When you guys were on the way here, it was snowing, like it started flaring for a minute and then like for five minutes like dang it is like snowing, snowing, uh, which is my favorite thing in the world. How are we on snow and winter weather in all?
Speaker 1:all around winter weather I also saw snow this morning, like big snowflakes falling at my house, and I was. You know, there was this part of me that's like oh. I love it like a hallmark film, like happy ending, you know um. And then there was this other part of me that is like no, I'm terrible at snow, I don't even own the right, and you don't like deeply cold weather for several days either.
Speaker 3:Can't do it oh yeah, heads weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know I'm already a little dead inside.
Speaker 3:I'm wearing heated socks right now.
Speaker 1:I'm so jealous. That's a battery pack.
Speaker 3:And you just plug it in like USB-C. Oh right, what?
Speaker 1:do they charge? Well, I need to go wherever you got those and get some. What about you? You obviously are a snowbird. I winter, well, I winter well, she winters well.
Speaker 2:I love it because I know it's temporary and y'all know I love that Nordic lifestyle of hygge.
Speaker 3:Say more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, y'all don't know what that is. What is that?
Speaker 3:Hygge.
Speaker 2:So it's spelled H-Y-G-G-E, okay, but pronounced hygge, it's very like Danish. Don't quote me on the Danish, but Nordic for sure I get. I'm not great at geography, but cold Okay.
Speaker 1:I'm not Mappy either. I'm not going to test you on it. Gotcha, you're like point to Amsterdam right now. Show me on that, I can't. How many hours does it?
Speaker 2:take. So this, it's the idea of like you kind of just know that it's going to be dark and cold and quiet, so you do things that are cozy. It's basically cozy living.
Speaker 2:Like you dress really cozy Uh, I guess electronic socks follow in that category but like lots of like wool and blankets and sweaters and fires, warm beverages, like always, and really warm foods, and so you just take care of yourself and then you're supposed to have really dim light, so like lots of candles and lamps, and it's a time to like be with the people that you really like, and then you know that when spring and summer come, the days are different. So it's just this idea of like I'm going to give into this and so I love it I think leaning in is a lot better than fighting it.
Speaker 1:I get so mad, I'm like pumped. I put on 14 sweaters and a turtleneck and layer up and then you know 10 minutes and I'm like who agreed to this? This is bullshit. Where are my heated socks? Like I don't uh.
Speaker 3:I don't obviously want anybody to be hurt or you know, uh, whatever, but like ice storms, everybody hates. I love it.
Speaker 3:I love something exactly if I can be stuck at home and play it's like then that's what I get to do is like play and go, slide around and stuff. Like the night before snowmageddon he was supposed to snow like one to three inches that next day, and then that night before is like it's not going to do anything and I was so frustrated it was going to be really cold so I iced down the front yard so we could still sled. Then, of course, it iced in a major snowy way and we were stuck here for a week, which was great because we're not alabama people.
Speaker 3:This was like 2013 14 maybe, yeah, okay, something like that, and the town shut down.
Speaker 1:Oh, and I will say even last year, when we got some stuff, if you're in alabama or a really southern state that doesn't see a lot of winter weather, we have no skills well, we don't, uh, we have no infrastructure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean nobody's salting our roads, and here's what happens. You have a bunch of 16 to 17 year olds who are like I'm gonna get my hair done, I need to go to Sephora, and then they're all out on the roads no, you have 16 and 17 year olds being like I gotta make out with my boyfriend. Well, I wasn't gonna throw y'all under the bus like that, but there she did it, so there we go.
Speaker 3:I will say also like up in new york a couple years ago. They had a very similar style storm where it was like the ice and snow mixed together and they it was exact same. They were all stuck for days on the road. So that was like a very specific storm where you could.
Speaker 1:There was nothing, I mean I think like the difference is they know to stay home and people in Alabama are like, nah, we're going to go ahead.
Speaker 2:I have my Ford F-150.
Speaker 1:We'll put it in four-wheel drive. Hey, Shane will kill me for doing this, but he literally had to call a dude to find out how to use his four-wheel drive on his truck.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, I'm glad you bought that. I think any man would be upset about that I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think he thinks it's funny Because he was like I don't know. You know he bought that thing just to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so bring on all the snow.
Speaker 1:All right, so super fun topic idea. This is from a fan. I'm not going to mention her name Therapist, Because I am a relatively educated woman. But I didn't realize the difference between pastoral counselors and licensed therapist. And oh boy did I get completely screwed over by a non-licensed pastoral female counselor in Birmingham who marketed herself as a therapist, had a signed and signed air and agreement about confidentiality and how she'd only meet with both of us present. Then broke all of it.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait. Both of us meaning a couple, a spouse.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay and, tragically, no way to file a complaint that I'm aware of. And posting reviews is pointless because I don't feel like the world knowing about our experience. So, yeah, maybe a primer on the different types of therapist. Premiere episode I don't know. I'm not sure why she said primer, licensed chair, why it matters and what to expect if someone is going to a pastoral counseling route, because this chick is all over Birmingham self-promoting and speaking at conferences which is where I first heard her speak and then stupidly wasted years and a lot of money on quote counseling that ultimately nearly tanked our family.
Speaker 3:I had no idea we're gonna have to tiptoe around defamation, uh stuff in this one well, the good news is, we're not gonna say her name. I don't, she didn't tell me. She didn't tell me.
Speaker 1:The less we know, the better yes, so we don't know who this person is, but one of the things that I do know for sure, um, is because I'm such a huge mental health advocate that I hear so many times how people got burned by therapists. And then, when I ask more questions, I find out very quickly that it was a church counselor, a counselor, a coach, kind of showing up in this therapeutic way without having the licensing to back it, and I think that this is a good. Well, we're going to talk about a couple things today. We're going to talk about this what's the difference between a counselor and a therapist, and a pastoral person in your life who maybe is guiding you, versus actually seeing a licensed therapist?
Speaker 1:but we're also going to talk about why y'all are all calling me right why everybody blowing up Claire's phone and my phone like, do you know, a good therapist I'm like. You know, let me get you the list, let me connect you with Claire. So that's what we're talking about today so let's give our.
Speaker 2:I guess we can call her a fan, but maybe a listener. Can you make up a name for her, just so I have some somebody to reference. Amanda, amanda, okay. So Amanda wrote us about this horrible experience and she used the word pastoral counselor. Is that right? Okay? So I want to be clear on the front end for therapists. So my licensure is licensed professional counselor. So when you hear counselor, that's not a red flag. There's plenty of licensure for counselor, but my master's was marriage and family therapy. So, like you, just everyone has to kind of relax about those terms. When you're licensed, in most states you can either be counselor or therapist, and they're very similar. Where things go wacky and wonky is in religious settings. You can decide what you are and then they're really like one of my friends her mother got a um doctorate of wisdom just online and so doctor, whatever is that like my phd in difficult men, is that what you have?
Speaker 2:I always say that okay I think I do, but do you have a piece of paper?
Speaker 3:I'm, I'm an ordained minister with a piece of paper, exactly.
Speaker 2:So there's lots of things that you can just kind of wake up Google and get a certificate on, so obviously our pastor here Will is one of those people.
Speaker 1:I also have a piece of paper.
Speaker 3:She has written for the—.
Speaker 1:I just gave myself this license, but that's pretty equivalent to what, what?
Speaker 2:I'm up against okay. So I went to so much school, years of years and years of hours to get and let's talk about that, because I don't think people understand.
Speaker 1:I know that I didn't understand, understand this until I became like really close friends with you. The qualifications, not just the schooling. So let's just go ahead and throw it, throw out. You gotta have five to six years of school. I had seven, seven years of school. Then on top of that, how many?
Speaker 2:hours did you have? So it depends on your licensure. Licensed marriage and family therapists usually have the most. That's why I didn't do that. Um, I was just ready to go, but somewhere between three and 6,000 hours depending, that's a lot of work. If, by the way, um, that's a lot of free work a lot of times, um, because you're oftentimes an intern, I had a great opportunity and got paid during that time because I wouldn't have been able to do it, but you're giving a lot of time to people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say in the like, uh, online ordained minister thing so I could do this wedding, the first one. I was frustrated with how easy it was. I was like looking forward to maybe taking some test.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:Some kind of 10 question thing. Nothing. You put your information in and spits out a piece of paper.
Speaker 1:And I think that that's something I always encourage people. So kind of what I was saying about the frustrations that I feel like I get to capture as being like an advocate. I mean like always reach out if you ever want to, if you're curious about therapy or you're ready to start your therapy journey, like I'd love to tell you about why I did it and like the benefits and whatever. And then you get these horror stories and a lot of what I understand is just because you met a person or you found them online does not mean they're going to be your guru. That's right, okay. So if you're not asking great qualifying questions to these people and digging into their experience, man, I think that's kind of a different definite prerequisite of like get, find out more. What would be those questions?
Speaker 2:Okay, so I want to. So I can't say this more clearly enough If you have not read Maybe you Should Talk to Somebody, or Maybe you Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. It is the and I am so anti self-help psychology. All those books really bore me. She's so good, so good. She goes through her own therapeutic journey as a therapist, with the therapist and then what it's like to be a clinician and it's the most accurate description.
Speaker 2:And here's the big thing um coaches and mentors super useful. I've had coaches and mentors. Coaches and mentors can give really specific um direction. Hey, have you tried this? Like career coaching, like you want action steps, but a good clinician, if someone sat down or actually I'm about to give an example of a bad clinician if you sit across from a therapist and they tell you what they would do and you go do it and it blows up your life. That has caused a huge rupture in the client and therapist relationship. You can't trust that person anymore. And then you're second guessing like what have I told them? And was that accurate? Do I even trust myself? So a therapist never, ever, ever gives advice. They can say have you considered this thing? What would it look like if you tried that and then you walk them through it. So a good therapist only asks the right questions.
Speaker 1:Right, a great therapist in my experience and even being friends with you, claire has been that you get to say, okay, but what's what? What is the next step? Like, how do you take your next step? And and it's more of putting it back on me Like I'm the owner of my life and a great therapist is just letting me hold, holding up a mirror and letting me see myself a little bit better. I mean, that's been my experience, is that true?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So when we hold up the mirror and it's like, what would this be like? Or whatever the question is, and you have to look at yourself, we're tolerating you in a way that you've never tolerated you before, and so then it gives you permission to do something different. And I'm sure I've said this in a million other other episodes of, like the unbiased witness is a good therapist, because we sit here and you tell us whatever it is. You need to tell us Remember the chickens, remember the chickens? Uh, we just hold it, and I don't mean hold it in silence, I can't stand those therapists, okay, but we hold it and love you anyways.
Speaker 2:Or we ask these questions where it's like gosh, that does sound really hard. Where else has that happened to you before? And so then you have to look at all those patterns that you've been a part of. So, like in good relationship counseling, everyone always comes in to talk about their partner. He did this, she does that, he, she, over and over again. Finger point, finger point, finger point. Until you change in the relationship, the relationship doesn't change.
Speaker 1:A great therapist once said to me, more recent than I'd care to admit can you ask that person to leave the room which is hilarious because they weren't actually in the room but what was being said to me is you're letting this person take over your session. The only thing we actually have control over today is you and how you want to show up and the work you want to do, and I was like it's the worst, so annoying mel's up there laughing.
Speaker 2:It's the worst and the best and the best, and it helped me a ton. Let's go back to amanda's question. Yes, um, so big differences. Are a counselor and a therapist? If they hold a license in the state, have gone through exceptional training, that doesn't mean they're the right fit for you. The right fit is absolutely important. Um, and then if someone is a specific type of coach, like, let's say, career coaching, you at least know what you're getting into.
Speaker 1:I just hired I, three weeks ago, started with my new career coach or executive coach, and I use coaches to help me with implementation. So I've had one throughout my career. I'm really have some big, audacious things. I want to do with myself, career wise that person I hire a coach, one like anything. I'm not going to you to get my eyebrows done If you have crazy eyebrows. I am not going to work out and have you tell me what to do if I don't like the way your body looks.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm not letting you touch my hair if you have crazy hair, and I ultimately would not hire an executive coach if I don't like the way their career has gone. So you have to have accomplished a lot, not just got went online, because that is what happens with coaches they go and get these certifications and they're all of a sudden they're a life coach or they're an executive coach. You need to be asking for their resume if you're hiring these people. But they are way more about execution. How can I help you accomplish the things you have on your goal list, to-do list, team list, infrastructure, whatever?
Speaker 2:So coaching, the format is typically different. So coaching is typically done in 30, 60 or 90 day increments, like you're signing some kind of contract, like you're setting really tangible goals, typically that you can kind of see and check these boxes. Coaching that I absolutely love is what Laura's describing. One of my best friends has a company called Glide and it's 100% executive functioning coaching, so it is ADHD. If you're on the spectrum, like all of these people that are like man, I'm just getting stuck. What do I need to do? And they do everything from like, uh, budgeting, planning, all of that. Really a plus B equals C stuff. So that is not red flag coaching. To me that makes a ton of sense and it really pairs well. If you're doing the deep dark, somebody's holding up the mirror to me. So um, um and I don't want to just like dog any kind of like religious pastoral counseling. I think that there's a place for it however, we will.
Speaker 2:I will, but I also. I also will. It's just not the same. The training isn't the same. Uh, there's no ability to diagnose. They wouldn't even know what a diagnosis is or how to like have the criteria to diagnose. I mean, I guess anybody can Google anything, but it can be very solution focused instead of underlying problems and issues patterns.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah, and I think, too, one of the things that we've seen happen in a religion driven environment. If a pastoral or like someone in a church is saying they're counseling you, um, if you haven't asked them what their qualifications are, that's a great place to start. Like tell me about your experience, why do you feel like you would be a good fit for me? What are you? What are we trying to accomplish together? One, you're allowed to ask those questions, but two, I think it's really important that we just talk about the like big ugly elephant in the room which is we're living in. What I would consider is the most church hurt generation of all time. People are leaving, uh, organized religion in in a mass exodus. I've never seen anything not just christianity not just christianity.
Speaker 1:We're gonna say something no, I'm agreeing with you, yeah and I think that when we think, when you ask people why they needed a break or why they left completely, what you hear over and over again was one they put their faith in the people in that organization, hoping they could really help them, or believing what they told them, and they got super let down and hurt or even abused, like there's a lot of that coming out. And so I would just say one asking the right questions, but two, just understanding. I would just say one asking the right questions, but two, just understanding that a church is the hospital for the sick, for, like the sick of heart, people are looking to gather with like minded people who believe similarly.
Speaker 2:I don't know, if that's where you should go get your mental health checked in, unless they actually have licenses. So if you Will fell down his stairs the other night, okay, he slipped, this is a real thing, that really happened.
Speaker 1:We did see the video and if you haven't seen the video, it's on his Instagram.
Speaker 2:It's on my TikTok and Instagram and all that you need to check it and let's say, when Will did that, he landed on his wrist and broke it. He would I would say he would have been insane if he drove to a church to have that mended. That is what we're seeing, where religion and mental health care are having a bizarre crossover. So if you have chronic depression like true major depressive disorder or bipolar or even like some mild anxiety, and you're driving into a church, a synagogue, whatever, or or even like a yoga training which I'm in, like people go there to get well too. I mean, it's all the same. Um, who that felt risky to say but whatever, if we're going there, that is the same as my wrist broke. So I drove to this building in hopes that they can talk me through this, and that's nuts to me. We just don't give mental health issues as much credibility as they deserve. It's a deep wounding that deserves deep fixing and healing.
Speaker 1:Well, and it normally didn't show up just because you have a symptom that pops up in your life, because maybe your anxiety is higher than it's ever been, your depression is darker than it's ever been.
Speaker 1:Typically, those things are like Claire was talking about, when you hold up that mirror and you get to look in it and we get to ask these and answer these questions that our therapist is asking like, oh man, actually this does happen to me every year at this time and whatever. But if you're going to church and you're trying to get your wrist that is broken fixed, that's crazy. The same way that if you're going to church or any organized place where people who are similar with with similar beliefs gather to build community and thinking that that's where your healing mentally is going to come from, that's it might be a component, but I don't think it's the component. I think we should be open to understanding. I always it's like when Clay's like I'm going to, I'm, I'm planning events, now I'm like, oh, you're a professional event planner, you know. Sorry, clay, I love you. You actually did a great job. But if you're not a professional and if you don't have the right, proper training, you can really hurt people.
Speaker 3:There's a state representative that has put this bill up in Alabama. That is would require counseling before any marriage, before you could sign. Like there are no more marriage licenses in Alabama.
Speaker 3:That's a whole different episode, uh, but there are marriage contracts now that you get okay, and to this bill, if passed, which it will not would say that you have to, you're required to go to counseling before you do that. But the many concerns. There are many concerns, but one of them is like yeah, then people are going to be going to a bunch of unqualified people who have no business telling them any advice. That's right, and it's going to put people in financial burdens that may not be able to afford counseling.
Speaker 1:It's a whole thing, it's a cycle and I would say Couple therapy is not covered by insurance, by the way.
Speaker 2:No Right, that's what I'm saying Most therapy, even now is not covered, or great therapists, I find typically don't.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, we don't take it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes we go into therapy and what we say it is what it is, and sometimes what we say it's not even the truth, but it's not what's really hurting us. And a good therapist sees beyond that. A newer therapist not even bad will latch on to that Like here's the presenting problem and they leave on the train. But once you learn to think what is this really about, you can start to do it. So we're at Will's house today.
Speaker 2:I used to live in this neighborhood and in my first marriage and I rarely think about it when I come over here but January of that year was when I knew that I wanted to get a divorce and it was like super dark and when I was driving over here I started crying like not likeically my eyes were just kind of burning and I had this whole thing of oh, I passed the kids preschool, like their preschool is right down the street and like just how many days I sat in that line. But I had not made the connection about that. This was the time of year I knew the divorce was happening. So my head starts going like I'm. I miss that when my kids are little and I need to do something to feel better. Right, like that's what I do. I feel uncomfortable, need to do something to feel better.
Speaker 2:And then I just like pause and ask the question wait, what's this really about? Well, that this is the exact time of year when I was so dark and so sad and so lonely. And I'm right back in the same neighborhood and once I just sat with that and I could just say, oh, that's grief, that's just old grief that still lives in me. Then I can pull in and keep doing the podcast, like I don't need to call my ex-husband, I don't need to go pick up the kids, I don't need to knock on the preschool door, I don't need to go change my medication, like. But that's what we do. We get so uncomfortable, like here's the thing, so a newer therapist might like have wanted to like go down that track or do something to make that feel better, when really it was like, oh, that was just old stuff and it got to come out today, last thing, and then maybe I'll zip it. I don't know, I would be very wary, is that?
Speaker 2:the word Okay Alongside kind of this coaching thing. I've seen a lot of people decide that they're nutrition coaches and I work hand-in-hand with a lot of dieticians. Dieticians go to almost the length of schools as physicians which is wild to me and so anyone can wake up and tell you what to eat, what vitamins to take, blah, blah, blah. They did not do the same schooling and so be super aware of, like when you're joining, like a challenge or a cleanse or whatever. People can wake up and what worked for them they've assumed works for you. Same thing with mental health care.
Speaker 1:Yeah, strong encouragements are don't be afraid to ask people for their resume. How long have you been a therapist? How long have you been counseling people? Why do you feel like this would be a successful partnership? Why do you think that you're a good? I wouldn't say that to a therapist, but I did say that to this coach that I interviewed and I really liked her and, quite frankly, if I think you're a badass, I'm like God. I just want to like, know you and be your friend and learn from you. And so you know, in this case I'm paying her to learn from her, to have her pour into me, because I feel like she's further down the path of success, what I think a woman in success needs to or should look like in some ways. But I would ask a lot of questions, get references, who you know like. You can't do that as a therapist because they can't give you their butt. But you can say I'd love to know your credentials and how long you've been doing this, and you can ask a therapist if they're in therapy.
Speaker 3:They don't have to tell you that, but the best ones in my experience will tell you have to tell you that, but the best ones in my experience will tell you when is a pastoral counselor, when is that a good person to go to.
Speaker 1:Laura, here's what I think If you are a member of a congregation or a church of some sort or some organization where you're meeting with like-minded people believing in a similar faith and pursuing a deeper faith in that place, I think that it's really smart to be dialed into a small group or a group of people who are holding you accountable to your core values and what you believe in. I think that it is appropriate that if you're getting married in a religious setting, if you have a faith that you're tied to that, it would make sense to meet with your pastoral, the person who pastors you, and talk about what a successful marriage and partnership might look like in that scenario.
Speaker 3:So awkward First marriage. The guy that married his friend of the family and like family to me, like I love him so much, but because he was a preacher, like it's part of his thing, like if I'm'm gonna do your thing, you got to come to these accounts. It was so awkward, it was just terrible and awkward and of course that marriage didn't last.
Speaker 1:uh, but whatever, I just look back at that and just cringe so much and I think again, this is about being a willing participant when you you, you should be a willing participant of what it is that you are signing up for, because, one, if you're not bought in, it ain't going to work anyway.
Speaker 3:Two, Will I agree with this 100%.
Speaker 1:But two. I'll tell you you have to look at the church community, the people of like-minded faith-oriented believers that you're surrounding yourself in, Whatever you're believing in, like-minded faith-oriented believers that you're surrounding yourself in, whatever you're believing in, and you should only be letting the ones that you admire the way that they're living pour into you. If you are not a good student of their life and know, wow, I really like the way they're living and showing up, you probably shouldn't let anybody that you don't have an intimate connection with, unless you're paying them and they are licensed. Um, so those are my, that's my two cents. That's the way that I live in my faith. I'm not saying that's right, but that's what I would recommend.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I feel like what you just hit on the hypocrisy in some situations and the way people like what is preached and what is actually. I think that's a big reason people are leaving organized religion as well. I think a lot of times people are seeing that and like what. Unfortunately not you know, a lot of times it's the other way around.
Speaker 1:I know, especially if you've had a role at a church, I think sometimes you get to see behind the curtain and you understand there's a whole lot of humanity that live in these spaces and what that means is these are also broken people. There's no perfect people anywhere, like Will likes to say, but there's specifically no perfect people living leading religious organizations. There's no pastor. That's perfect. There's no pastor's wife that's perfect. There's no coach within that organization that's perfect, just like there's no perfect therapist. However, there are people that can lead you to your healing. Just make sure you're asking good questions before you hire, before you sign a document, before you do anything and understanding. Is there recourse there? If someone's making me sign a contract, guess what? I'm gonna make sure that contract serves me as much as it serves them. So I'm gonna to come after you if you make me sign a contract and then you blow up my life. Okay, just know that about me.
Speaker 3:You read all the fine print.
Speaker 1:I have attorneys for that. You should pay someone else. All the smart people that are good at details they do that for me.
Speaker 2:I would never fully read fine print. God knows what I've signed in my life read fine print.
Speaker 1:God knows what I've signed in my life. Thank you, lindsey miller, for your team of smart people who read things and tell people to raise things recently, like it's terrible, but someone uh had food.
Speaker 3:Let's just say this they had food poisoning at disney world, and do you?
Speaker 2:know this person. No, this is a news story.
Speaker 3:This is a big news and, uh, it's so severe that it was whatever. They end up suing because, you know, for they actually died. The person died. Right, that's not, but I didn't want to like ruin the funny story with that, but that's what I was saying. They just said food clear space whatever.
Speaker 3:So the family, like you know, sued and had really good reason to. But he had signed when he tried the Disney Plus free month trial by clicking, accepting whatever. He had agreed to never be able to sue any Disney entity ever for anything. Yeah, by clicking on the trial for Disney Plus.
Speaker 1:The old fine print gets you every time.
Speaker 3:And in that there was a thing about you can't sue Disney but my wife can and I would have her sue.
Speaker 1:A thing about you can't sue Disney but my wife can and I would have her sue you because she didn't click on it and she would like to still sue.
Speaker 3:How crazy is that? Because, like everybody, that's so awful yeah.
Speaker 1:That's terrible and so scary.
Speaker 2:Hey, I hope y'all practice hygge today Hygge.
Speaker 3:Hygie. Is it hygie? No, but that's how it spells right, it looks like Hy-gee.
Speaker 1:I used to say that too. Oh, I've never heard of it until today, and we're all going to go get electronic socks.
Speaker 3:And aren't we proud of me for not interrupting the podcast to make you guys look at the snow outside, because it was snowing really hard at one point.
Speaker 1:Okay, happy.
Speaker 2:New Year, guys. Happy New Year Before you. Cut Bangs is hosted by Laura Quick and Claire Feerman and produced by Will Lockamade.
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