Before You Cut Bangs
Hosted by Laura Quick and Claire Fierman, “Before You Cut Bangs” is full of hilarious conversations about real life, common and uncommon crises, and possible cosmetic errors that come along with it. Through storytelling and therapeutic wisdom, Claire and Laura share how to NOT fuck up your hair (and life) while walking through similar situations,
Produced by Will Lochamy
Before You Cut Bangs
2.20 Childhood Friends, Adult Battles: When Cancer Changes Life Overnight (pt.1)
What happens when persistent pain leads to an unexpected, life-threatening diagnosis? In this riveting conversation, Claire welcomes her childhood friend, Beau, to share the first part of his extraordinary health journey—from mysterious jaw pain to a rare cancer diagnosis that turned his world upside down.
Welcome to. Before you Cut Bangs, I'm Laura Quick and I'm Claire.
Speaker 2:Fehrman.
Speaker 1:I am a professional storyteller and I'm currently working on my first book.
Speaker 2:I have worked in mental health for many years in lots of capacities and this is a really important time to tell you our big disclaimer this is not therapy. We are not your therapists or coaches or anything like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you shouldn't really trust us very much at all, we are not your therapist or coaches or anything like that. Yeah, I mean you shouldn't really trust us very much at all. Unless you want to and it turns out well, then you can trust us. That's great. Today we're continuing our summer of vacation guest, so people are just coming on the podcast, and today is Claire's turn to get roasted roasted and she has brought along a childhood friend, like family almost like family, but family friend, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, we didn't bring him here for me to get roasted. That was added to the outline.
Speaker 1:I don't well, victoria said it, so it must be happening. So, um, I do have a question real quick before, because I wanted to ask you about this this photo of you two, that where you're topless. I don't know if you guys can see this, but it does appear. Claire is here having a very warm hug with Bo without a top on as a teenager.
Speaker 2:First off, there's a top under there that was very small, because that was the year of string bikinis.
Speaker 3:That was before the high beams.
Speaker 2:It's called an augmentation.
Speaker 1:We're advocates for augmentations here on the show, do whatever makes you feel pretty.
Speaker 2:Someone should have mentioned that that bathing suit bottom didn't fit. Thank you for saving that for me, wow.
Speaker 1:You're welcome. I saw it and was like, oh, I'll be bringing that up, but why don't you tell us a little bit about?
Speaker 2:Bo. Okay, we won't get into too much of the good stuff, but we grew up down the street from each other. We were in the same kindergarten class, mrs Weir. Our moms were best buddies and through a traumatic series of events, we were basically raised together. Most people thought we were in fact related, and we weren't. We did not bring Bo here to roast me, but we brought him here because Bo's had a wild story in adulthood which we'll get to.
Speaker 1:Okay. When you say we were bonded together, do you care to tell the people how, what traumatic event bonded your families together?
Speaker 2:Let me count the ways I would say heavy family addiction and little MIA dads for a little while. So our moms just band together.
Speaker 3:I mean basically moved in together. Yeah, almost.
Speaker 2:They would tote us down to the beach. There's four kids, that's three seatbelts in the back, and it was like beat the shit out of each other. For who had to ride on the floorboard? His mom either would have a spoon or a spatula that you'd get popped with Like if you were bad you know you're close when the other parent that's not your parent gets to beat you like the shit out of you if you are doing anything wrong and uh, steph smoked vantage regulars. Diane was a marlboro light gal and they were to get through it.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I look back and I can vividly remember Celine Dion playing one summer. A lot of it was like good music, but that must've been a tough year. You know, if we're into Celine smoking in the station wagon and like we would, just that was our lives. Would you add anything?
Speaker 3:Well, I think the only thing I would add is you know I speaking of beating children we're driving down to the beach. I'll never forget I was sitting directly behind, directly behind the driver's seat, and I don't remember what I was doing. But my mom got super pissed and we're all in the backseat arguing back and forth and she's trying to reach back and hit me and she didn't have the spanking spoon and so she reached back and just whop, and I bent down at the same time, caught me right in the nose. I'm bleeding, I'm crying and I'm screaming, I'm calling the police.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, as anyways that was like. That was our typical beach standard run my stepmom had and she thought it was hilarious, my stepmom had a leather belt she kept in the glove box. She never hit me with it, but she would send that thing flailing back there and, like anybody who wasn't smart enough, to get out of the way, Did you get popped?
Speaker 2:No, I knew it, I knew it Never. That's why you're the most well-adjusted, never got beat, and Hunter's not even from the South. He's like oh boy, oh boy I shouldn't be here right now.
Speaker 1:You mean someone who wasn't your parent had the ability to beat you. Yes, hunter, that is our life. She's called a pop.
Speaker 4:Or parent. I've never been spanked. I'm sorry. But the spanking spoon. I feel like we should go back to the spanking spoon. Oh, the spanking spoon was a big deal Is it just any spoon that was around.
Speaker 3:Wooden, it was a wooden stirring spoon and yeah, essentially flat, a flat one, yeah and um, very aerodynamic, very quick and it stung very badly.
Speaker 1:And if we couldn't, if we couldn't find that and it was just a wire fly swatter, yeah and those suck, but but the the idea of having to go pick your own switch was a long walk from the back porch to the edge of the woods to get your own stick. Like, okay, now that we're through that childhood trauma, okay, bo.
Speaker 4:Oh, I'm sorry. Hello, that means it's time for the interview.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, we can't skip my favorite part, which is we start with a warm-up question what's?
Speaker 1:something Claire wouldn't want people to know, but you're going to say it anyways. She's already said high beams. We let that go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean so we're basically brother and sister. I think the most embarrassing thing that ever happened was we hooked up in ninth grade. It was absolutely awful for both of us. We just made out. We made out. I said yeah, yeah, that's true, Hook up these days means a lot of things. You got to make sure you clarify we made out.
Speaker 2:Have we ever said it out loud to each other? I don't think so. Okay, okay, oh boy, so it's happening right now.
Speaker 1:I was like does he remember? He remembers, oh, he remembers.
Speaker 3:But I'll never forget. We were in our remedial math class together and we go in there the next day and I just remember sitting across from each other and being like God. That was the worst thing ever. And both of us yeah, that was my reaction too.
Speaker 2:Wow, that hasn't been addressed since 2001,. I guess, or two, I told one of his cousins.
Speaker 1:How does this happen? Like we're young, I mean unattended children I don't know I'll
Speaker 2:be, like well, we're 15 or 16 horned up 15 year olds during finals yeah, lateral on board. Oh yeah, I specifically remember drinking Dr Pepper and I don't think I can drink it.
Speaker 3:I remember you being like you're like my brother and I was like, yeah, this is not good.
Speaker 1:You had to try her on for sauce once. That's what every guy wishes. He could hear You're like my brother, okay.
Speaker 2:So bad.
Speaker 1:Okay well that's a terrible warm-up but I liked it I. I can feel your embarrassment. I have secondhand embarrassment just watching you turn red well, yeah, you get to talk good about beau now that he's thrown you under the bus it's just because he's had cancer.
Speaker 2:We have to be nice all the time, oh my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Let's bring up what she said to me when she was like we're having beau on the podcast. Remember when you didn't call him back and then he got cancer and I was like I'm sorry, we still need to connect we do 100, so we're gonna start with the cancer.
Speaker 4:Can we start with that?
Speaker 2:well, I have questions yeah, that's why we okay. So that's why that's the only reason I wanted beau here. But it fit in perfectly for two reasons. First, y'all have had loved ones come on and I get a loved one now. But it's extra good because I don't want to tell Bo's story. I'm going to let Bo tell his story. But he had a massive health crisis Two weeks after I got married. He did our wedding ceremony and I will say it was like the closest thing like that to happen and certainly closest in like our age range, and I certainly had a lot of feelings. We all did and I want Bo to share the story yeah, that's why he's here.
Speaker 4:More than one wedding, so which wedding? And I usually say that as a joke. I'm not this time yeah that's true, the most recent wedding.
Speaker 3:That's insane yeah, that wasn't that long that was not long ago, yeah all right, so last summer, yeah, not even a year all right.
Speaker 4:So what does it start? Were you feeling bad? What? How did this all kind of start?
Speaker 3:yeah, so well, I'll start off by saying this is the first time I've like really publicly told this story, um, so, bear with me, this is more of like a stream of consciousness than it is like organized in any way. So, but really it started probably like March. Um, you know, I had this little spot on my gum that just swole up on me and you know, at the time I thought I would just, you know, you just, I was eating like granola or something. I got stuck in my gum and so I went to the dentist. Um, they did, they did an exam, said we're not sure what this is, you need to go see a periodontist who specializes in in gum tissue and things like that. So I go to a periodontist. Um, they did their thing. They were like we can't find anything. And so they sent me to an endodontist.
Speaker 3:Um, and you know at know, at that point they did a CT scan without contrast. So really, essentially, you're kind of looking at like an x-ray, but like a really detailed x-ray, like 3d version, um, and so we're looking at that. And she recognized, you know, there was some thickening on the right side of my jaw, um, which was, you know, certainly just different than than the left side and you could kind of see it, but it wasn't like jumping out at you, um, and so. So, anyways, um, at that point she said, okay, there's really nothing that I can do because we, you know, you don't need a root canal, so I'm going to refer you to an oral surgeon. So I went to an oral surgeon, um, and kind of bounced back and forth between them for probably four months Maybe. Um, I had, I had two root canals and then, uh, and then I also had what's called a tori removal, which is terrible. Essentially, they shave down the inside of your jaw which was awful.
Speaker 2:This is pre-wedding, this is all pre-wedding, and still at this point.
Speaker 4:They haven't said you have cancer. They just are trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just had a feeling I'll never forget. I remember the first time I met with the oral surgeon, I was like, hey, been, you know, going at this for like two months now, having like major throbbing. Not just it started in one tooth and then it was spreading to the other teeth and, you know, by that time it was like across my entire jaw, and so if I was exercising or doing anything, um, I could like feel my heartbeat all through my, my jaw and um, and so I knew something was up. But I, you know, I just didn't have the knowledge base to really pinpoint exactly what that was. And, uh, and it turns out they didn't either, and so I'm bouncing back and forth, back and forth.
Speaker 3:They wind up, um, saying the only thing left to do is is extract one of your teeth. And so they took out one of my molars, um that I had had the root canal done on and because they thought it was infecting. When they took it out, it was fine, and they were like, not only did you not need a root canal, but this is like a completely healthy tooth, um, thanks yeah, exactly exactly, and um, and so, anyways, um, after that uh, that was around, that was probably, I think I had that done like a week after the wedding.
Speaker 3:And so we go to St Simon for a family beach trip and it's just, it's not healing properly. And so I call my oral surgeon. He's like all right, come back in, let's do a biopsy of the tissue. And so his main concern was that it could be squamous cell carcinoma, and so squamous cell is the most common form of oral cancer, you know. So people who dip and smoke and stuff like that's what they normally present with.
Speaker 1:I've never really done any of that and uh, which is interesting since you're friends with claire and she actually do.
Speaker 2:I am going to pause because I wish I'd said this initially. My brother and I went like the loose cannon route and beau went to the like not perfection, but like he was a good kid really good kid yeah and definitely kind of like it I don't have a different word but the patriarch of the group like stable, steady, trusted, like definitely not doing what my brother and I did.
Speaker 2:That's important for this right, he wasn't a maniac doing acid in my own sense, no even I don't want to jump ahead, but even when I was with, I was with his mom when he got the diagnosis. I was down at the beach and she's like, out of any of you four, I never thought it would be him and I'm like I can understand thank you for thank you for that.
Speaker 4:I appreciate it, but it is an important part of the story because, generally speaking, when someone you hear about someone having this cancer, you think, oh well, they did it for years, right, like that's the assumption. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it wasn't that type of cancer either.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a distinction to be made there. Yeah, it was not. What I was diagnosed with is almost 100% genetic. So I was diagnosed with osteosarcoma, which is 0.06% of all cancer, so super, super rare, but I can't remember. So, yeah, so they do the biopsy, we go in to have the biopsy done. I get my wife to come with me because, cause I, just at that point I was super worked up, I was very, um, not even, quite frankly, scared, like I knew something was going on. They were being very, you know, casual about the entire thing.
Speaker 3:Um, and I got in there and just broke down and I was like something's up. Um, you know, like we need, we need answers. And so he was saying he was only going to biopsy the tissue. And I mean, as Claire knows, like I'm a pretty direct person and and to the point, especially in this scenario, to the point of being like argumentative. And you know I said, look, we have, you know, multiple CT scans that show a thickening on the right side of my jaw. You're going to be in there, like you may as well just take a piece of my jaw too.
Speaker 3:And um, and he, you know the, the exact response was well, we've already extracted your tooth. We need to keep as much bone as we possibly can. Uh, because we're gonna have to put an implant in, and um, and I just, she just said, just said, look, I don't care, I need you to do this because it's going to give me the ability to sleep at night. And um, and, and he was like, all right, we'll see when we get in there. So, so, you know, they start the procedure.
Speaker 3:And I'll never forget, you know, sitting in that chair, and he held up a Petri dish over my head and was like, okay, here's, you know, here's the tissue that we took and there's that little piece of bone you wanted me to get. And um, and they sent them, thank God, sent them both off for pathology. And, um, you know, two months or, I'm sorry, two weeks later, uh, the bone was what came back as positive. The bone was what came back as positive, and so it was positive for osteosarcoma, mandibular osteosarcoma in particular, like I said, is 0.06% of all cancer, which is super, super rare. And to give them a little bit of leeway, I went to Em, I went to emory, I went to uab, I went to mayo.
Speaker 3:Each of these huge facilities might see one, maybe two of me every single year wow um, and so an oral surgeon and buckhead who's doing veneers isn't like you know they're really looking for.
Speaker 2:It's not an expert for sure so yeah so I feel like when I heard this, my thought was like what if I don't know that? I would have known to advocate for myself, because I think I probably take some stuff that a physician says I wouldn't have argued with the tissue piece, I wouldn't have even thought, because I'm like, oh, they know what do I know? What made you advocate or question it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think, um, I mean, I think this is probably like a bigger conversation, but, um, you know, I think God blessed me with a very specific personality to be in that situation. Um, I also, you know, I've spent my entire, you know, 16 year career in healthcare and that's all I do every single day is speak to, to doctors and surgeons, and, um, you know, and, and so I. Another thing, too, is, like you know, I saw that CT and I, you could clearly see something was different and they were telling me that. You know it, um, you know it light. It had to do with the fact that I grind my teeth at night. I'm super stressed. You chew more heavily on your right side. There were a million different reasons as to why the thickening was there, and, and I just knew my body, Like I knew that, that you're like, except for the way I feel, yeah, except for the way.
Speaker 1:I feel, and the fact that I've been chewing on the right side since I was had teeth. Thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 3:Yeah and uh, you know the fact that, like I was feeling my heartbeat like even standing up out of a chair and my jaw it was like this is not normal, um, and so, yeah, I mean, I think, um, it really had we not taken the biopsy of my mandible at that time. Osteosarcoma is a highly, highly aggressive form of cancer and it very well could have been a completely different outcome.
Speaker 1:How progressed was it by the time they figured it out?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I so the well, the interesting thing is because all of the CT scans that were done, uh, initially with the oral surgeons and the um, uh, endodontist and everybody that that was all without contrast. So again, like, if you've ever looked at a C, at a CT scan, without contrast, it's basically like a 3D image of your bone. So there wasn't really any way to show the progression of the size of the tumor. You can do that when you have a CT with contrast and so I can tell you what the size of it was eventually. So when we did the CT with contrast, the size of the tumor was in centimeters, 3.5 by 1.5 by 1.5.
Speaker 3:So the reason why it didn't like jump out on the initial CT was because it was elongated, so it ran kind of the length of my jaw or my mandible. So it ran kind of the length of my jaw or my mandible and so it was sort of like an oval as opposed to, like you know, a spherical tumor that would just jump out you could see like a huge bump. That wasn't the case here. It was just slightly thicker than the other side, but I could feel it. I mean, I could feel that it started in 30 and then it spread to 31, and then it spread to 29. And so, like I was tracking, like hey, this thing is growing or moving and whatever it is, and um, and so yeah, that was you know kind of the progression of it.
Speaker 4:So what did they say, Like what was the exact kind of conversation when they came in to give you the news.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so well, I'll give credit to Dr Aiken, who's the oral surgeon. He's an incredible guy. He and I, you know, I would say, have become friends through this and he's just like a great, great person. And so I got the diagnosis. I think it was 11 days after the biopsy, um, and I was at the office. I was in our um conference room with our CEO and my my phone rang. I saw that it was Dr Aiken, you know, took the phone call and he told me osteosarcoma. He just came out and said it. He was like, he was like I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you've been diagnosed with, with osteosarcoma, um, the pathology came back as osteosarcoma and um, and we talked through the grading it was a grade two, which is like a mid-grade, uh, that's how you determine how aggressive the cells are.
Speaker 3:Um, and you know, and I think, like I think with I'm not by any means a doctor, but I've spent my entire career in health care and I know a lot about this stuff and also my second uncle died of osteosarcoma. My dog, which was like my son, died of osteosarcoma. So when I heard osteosarcoma, I mean I was thinking months, you know, and so I just had a full-blown panic attack. Just a full blown panic attack in the middle, like at our office I remember you know sitting. I just walked into our uh, my CEO's office and just said, hey, I got diagnosed with osteosarcoma, I gotta go. Um, went home, Our daughter was, uh was at home sick that day. And daughter was uh was at home sick that day. And you know, call my wife on the way and uh, and I'm just like coming apart and um, and so how does your wife respond?
Speaker 3:Uh, so you kind of have to know, my wife's a nurse and she is, I mean, like the best person I know and um, and she's also like very, very stoic, yeah, like even keel, um, like, whereas I'm pretty emotional and uh, and yeah, and and so anyways, when I called and told her, it was more of like okay, what's next? I don't even remember exactly what she said, but she didn't start crying or freaking out. I was doing that.
Speaker 1:They say that's the way it works in a healthy relationship. If one of you is freaking out, the other one is like, okay, but we've got a list and we're going to work the plan.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Was that helpful to you for her not to freak out?
Speaker 3:oh, yeah, for sure. I mean yeah, without a doubt. I don't think. I think, throughout the entire process that we've been through over the last 12 months, I think I've seen her cry, maybe one time.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:Um and uh, and I think it was. I think it was like either the day I was diagnosed or the or the next Um, so anyways, I get home and, um, my daughter's there. So I didn't want her to see me freaking out. I wasn't really sure what to do. Her to see me freaking out, I wasn't really sure what to do. So I called my best friend, grant Um, and I just explained the situation and I'm kind of trying to gather my thoughts about like okay, what can I do to be proactive about this? That's just, that's just how I am. I'm like, okay, we have a problem, how are we going to fix it? And uh, and so I was like, even with all the emotions.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like that was well. I'll never forget the first thing I said to Dr Aiken when he told me I was diagnosed. I said, okay, what do we do next? I was like what's the what's the plan? And the cool thing about it is his wife is um head of neurology at Emory. Wow. And so before they even called me, they had already scheduled me to be. I was diagnosed on Friday. They already had me scheduled to meet with the interdisciplinary team at Emory on Tuesday.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:So oncology, surgical oncology, radiation oncology, like we were meeting with everybody all at once.
Speaker 1:Dang talk about a gift.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and I mean, I think it's the way God aligned this, and we'll go through how everything unfolded, because it's really beyond anything I could have put together, but the you know, I can't remember. Oh, oh yeah. So, grant, grant, I call Grant. I said hey, look man, come pick me up. I've been diagnosed with cancer. Um, I just need to, we just need to go somewhere, um and so, as he's coming to pick me up, I'm in the front yard. I'm literally like throwing up I'm. I'm so dist, distraught, I'm having a full panic attack which I've never, ever had in my life, like that's not just, I've never is that because you thought you would make it?
Speaker 3:yeah, I thought.
Speaker 3:I mean I thought when I heard osteosarcoma I thought death sentence, like you're because of your uncle and your puppy yeah and uh, well, and the fact that, like you know, so I I've been in the operating room with these patients, like I've I've, you know, worked for striker orthopedics, where we're doing, you know, knee replacements on kids who have osteosarcoma in the femur or the tibia or whatever it may be, and I know the prognosis that comes with that. And so when I heard it, I just freaked out, but in that moment I was thinking, okay, you know, I need answers, like I'm very much like a right now person, and if I can't, um, you know, either get a definitive answer or or move something forward, I just feel even more panicked. And so so, anyways, I, I, the only person I thought to call was um, uh, surgical oncologist that I used to work with at Piedmont hospitals, and I, you know, I worked with him for probably three years and and he and I, you know, had become friends and would go hunting together and stuff like that, um, but I hadn't talked to him in probably two or three years, and um, so I just looked, as you know, looked up his number on my phone, called his cell, and this guy's in the operating room, like all day, every day. So I was like there's no chance he's answering. He answered on the second ring and was just like hey man, how you doing? And I'm just beside myself.
Speaker 3:I'm like Kevin, I've been diagnosed with osteosarcoma. I have no idea what to do. I'm panicking and I need to know if it's spread. Idea what to do. I'm panicking and I need to know if it's spread. And without skipping a beat, he's like get in the car, meet me at Piedmont ER. We're scanning you from head to toe, I'll see you in 10 minutes. And so so Grant comes and picks me up, we immediately drive to the emergency room and uh, and I had full, full head to toe, uh, ct scan, with and without contrast, within maybe two hours of being diagnosed. And then, uh, and was able to get an answer to you know, it's still localized in your jaw. We don't see it anywhere else in your body. Um, and, and you know, and so that allowed me to at least bridge the gap from Friday when I was diagnosed, to Tuesday when I got to meet with the interdisciplinary team at Emory. Um, okay, I've got.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask you a question because I feel like, just based on what I know about people, is there's someone who's hearing this story and they're in an in-between and they don't have that guy on their phone, like that panic attack moment, whether I mean this is obviously very substantial crisis that you're having. But if someone's in a crisis like that and they don't have that guy on their phone, what would you tell them to do?
Speaker 3:I think the well, I think, um, I think everybody I don't want to say everybody has that guy on their phone, but everybody, I think, has the ability to connect with somebody that can help them. And I think a lot of people go into I've been diagnosed and I need to internalize and not speak and not tell anybody anything. I'm the exact opposite. I'm like I need to get on the roof and start screaming what I've been diagnosed with and see who are the experts in this field and who can I, you know, align with in order to be able to get the answers that I need.
Speaker 1:You already did something that we advocate for, which is you called a tier one, you called Grant.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you called Grant 100%, tier one.
Speaker 1:Head your ass over here. We're going somewhere. I don't know where we're going and by the time he got there you already had a plan. Yeah, somewhere I don't know where we're going and by the time he got there, you already had a plan. Yeah, and I love that because I feel like that is something that especially like most of our listeners and because will's here.
Speaker 1:We do have more men listeners maybe than we would normally have, but because most of our listeners are women, I do think women do tend to like holy shit because, because the if you're a mom, or even this idea of like stressing everybody out with this big burden thing that I just got, I think like women needed to hear that get on the roof and scream it. See if you can find someone who knows someone who knows someone, because even if you don't have the guy's number in your phone, somebody in your network of social media or your friends, your closest people, might have that one connection you need to like.
Speaker 1:Get you there faster to that piece that you're looking for to get you there faster, to that piece that you're looking for to get you from friday to tuesday yeah for sure.
Speaker 3:So I think that's the personal advocacy side of it.
Speaker 3:I think, um, you know my personal experience.
Speaker 3:I think, um, you know, like I said, we can go through how everything continued to progress, but, um, you know, statistically speaking, what I was diagnosed with and how things unfolded moving forward. I think it's far beyond my ability to network into things. Um, I think you know God built me a very specific way and put me into a very specific situation and gave me the resources to be able to properly navigate that, so that my prayer is that he can then use this for good and, um, and that's quite frankly, why I'm sitting here and so, um, so, just to move back, you know we were able to get the CT scan with Dr Nguyen at Piedmont within a couple of hours. Um, and you know to your point, like calling a tier one I mean, there's a handful of people always, I think I I'm going to butcher this, but I heard it on a podcast last week Um, you know who's the first person that comes to mind if you're, you know, arrested in a foreign country and you have one phone call, who are you going to call?
Speaker 1:Uh, exactly, I literally I'm flying there right now. I've called my attorney.
Speaker 3:But those are the people who are like you know, the, the ones who are action oriented, that are going to. They don't care what you know other people, what the rules of the game are.
Speaker 1:Honestly, it's the moment you need the friend who tries so hard to fix everything for you. This is when you need her or him you need that one friend who's like I made the five point plan. I've got it, don't worry, I've called the attorney. I've got a guy that's probably a doctor for dogs, but he's gonna call somebody.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean like.
Speaker 1:I feel like this is the thing you need is like in this moment where you don't know, having those people around you, like your wife, who's like great. What's the next step? Yeah, and grant who's like? Great, what's the next step? Yeah, and Grant who's like, I'm driving you to Piedmont, and the dude who's? Like I'll see T-Scan you right now. I mean, like, how great is it to be surrounded by those people who will stand in the gap for you when you're like, holy shit, my life is blowing?
Speaker 3:up, yeah, and that came to fruition even more on a much bigger scale as I continued to go through this and and really be able to always knew that I had a lot of people around me that loved me and a great community of people, um, but to see that in action was like one of the biggest blessings that came out of this entire situation.
Speaker 4:As you guys can tell, the story is really intense and there's a lot to it and there's still a lot more to be told, so we couldn't fit it all into this one episode. So come back in two weeks when the new episode comes out and you guys can hear the rest of Bo's story. It's pretty crazy. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. You guys will not believe it as well, and you'll get to hear Claire laugh inappropriately at times when you know no one should be laughing.
Speaker 2:On the next, before you Cut Bangs Before you Cut Bangs is hosted by Laura Quick and Claire Feerman and produced by Will Lockamane. Follow along with us everywhere. Please subscribe to the podcast, find us on Instagram. Mara Quick and Claire Feerman and produced by Will.
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