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Practical Rebels
33: Tips to Kickstart your Creative Career: The College Edition
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Hey students and young professionals, this podcast is for you!
We're fresh off College Night, and so excited about the talent we saw spend the evening networking with marketing professionals. In this episode, we’re diving into the power of networking, internships, and a strong online presence to help young creatives break into the industry. From landing internships to building real connections, we’re sharing tips that will help you stand out and get the attention of your dream job.
What’s inside?
✅ Our thoughts around agency jobs & other entry-level roles
✅ Why internships matter for real-world experience
✅ Finding early networking opportunities (yes, even at local events!)
✅ Stand out —even when no jobs are posted
✅ Why your online presence & portfolio can make or break opportunities
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#CreativeCareers #NetworkingTips #InternshipsMatter
Building Opportunities for Students
Speaker 1Welcome back to Practical Rebels.
Speaker 2Hey Ramsey.
Speaker 1Hey Vee, how you doing.
Speaker 2Good, I feel like it's been a minute since I've been here.
Speaker 1It's been a minute yeah. A lot of things have changed. Oh yeah, I did a podcast with Susanna.
Speaker 2That's right yeah.
Speaker 1Well, not a lot has changed, oh yeah, but it feels good to be back. Well, welcome back. It's good to have you back in that seat. You're my partner, so thanks.
Speaker 2You're welcome Back in the flow.
Speaker 1So, speaking of, back in the flow, what happened last night at Hatchmark Studio, this is going to tie into what we're talking about today.
Speaker 2Yes, ma'am, so we're going to be talking building a building. We're going to be recording a podcast right now for the students. So it is as we're recording this. It is the end of January and you know, summer's coming up and one of the things that a lot of students are doing, or should be doing, is really thinking about what they're going to be doing with their summer, and a lot of students are looking for internships or opportunities to do job shadowing, to have some sort of mentorship. So, with that in mind, we had our first annual putting it out there, all right.
Speaker 1It was great.
Speaker 2Yeah, we're doing this every year. We had college night last night at the agency. It was fantastic. So this is something that we've been talking about for a couple of years now, something that we've been talking about for a couple years now, and, honestly, the team was just so wonderful in making this happen and come together, coming together to get it done. It really was a group effort.
Speaker 2What we are really trying to do is build a central hub, you know, a once a year event where businesses can come in that have an opportunities for students whether again, that's internships or shadowing or maybe even first jobs and students can come in that have opportunities for students whether again those internships or shadowing or maybe even first jobs and students can come as well and, you know, meet each other.
Speaker 2So it was a pretty structured event, you know. The businesses all came in and gave a brief overview of the opportunities they have, what they're looking for, and then we had some kind of speed networking and students were able to go around and introduce themselves, meet people and hopefully, some students are going to get some internships out of it and businesses are going to help develop the next generation of talent in Pensacola. This really came from the need we. We always hear from students that there are no jobs here, that they leave town. They always eventually come back, or very often eventually come back. But there really are a lot of opportunities in Pensacola and along, you know, the Gulf coast, and really in any city.
Speaker 2Um, I think a lot of students don't realize that there are opportunities that are outside of actually working at creative agencies, cause, you know, that's often the dream. Um, I know it was for me when I first graduated and, um, I went a different path and, you know, learned a ton. So there's so many opportunities in any business to have a role in marketing, creative social media, advertising, like content development, copywriting, film, video. There's just opportunities all over the place. So hoping to kind of make those connections and see what comes of it.
Speaker 1So nice, very nice, and the turnout it looked great. And I say it looked great because I I was not here, so but yeah, the turnout looked great and we had to go drive that way to go get Beckett from basketball practice and we drove slow pass and it was it was packed.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, we had a fantastic turnout. Um, everybody seemed really pleased, both on the student side and the professional side, and, um, yeah, we, just we want to do more of these types of things. So it's a great turnout it was.
Speaker 2it was like very I think it was a low pressure environment because I think you know, especially when you're first entering the field, you're there's a lot of anxiety around having those conversations with professionals and I think just kind of being in a creative space and having it kind of a you know, a little bit less formal of an event where people are just kind of popping around having conversations really helps kind of ease people's nerves a bit.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean coming to the Hatchmark Studio. You got to. You catch the vibe when you walk in, so it's probably pretty easy to be like, hey, let me talk about what's going on, or connect, or whatever.
Speaker 2So yeah, oh, actually, so should we talk about this now? We actually announced last night we're ramping up our internships again.
Speaker 1Right, right, right. We haven't done one since.
Speaker 2Savannah. We haven't done one since Savannah, but Savannah that stayed we have. I don't know if it's good or bad habit of our interns just end up staying. So we're actually doing structured internship programs for the first time. Oh wow Over the summer they're going to be I believe it's gosh, I'm going to speak 10 to 12 weeks or 8 to 12 weeks, 8 to 10 weeks, something like that but we're going to be building out actual internship programs.
Speaker 2Um one of them is going to be working directly with Savannah and content creation and working, you know, alongside her to develop content for some of our existing clients. Just really focus on high quality reels, content um trends, um, editing photos, that sort of stuff. Uh, so that's kind of one part of it, but the second part, oh, and this is named the hatchery- how cute is that? Why is it named the hatchery?
Speaker 1because they're hatching young talent and we're a hatch mark. Okay, we like, we like. I know I just wanted to.
Speaker 2I know we love cheesy things here sometimes and it's adorable and the brand is very cute it is joe, you killed it.
Speaker 1Sir, you're out there listening. You better be listening. You killed it. Yeah, of course he's listening there?
Speaker 2listening, you better be listening. You killed it, sir. Yeah, of course he's listening. Everybody listens to our episode. But then the second part of it, which we're going to be kind of putting out in the next couple weeks, is we are actually taking on two interns to act as a team to work on a actual brand project.
Speaker 1Amazing.
Speaker 2So we're going to be putting out a call to businesses where they will be able to work with a student and develop brand work at a significantly discounted rate off of what a typical agency would charge. But we are going to be working with a copywriting and then a kind of brand design student to help guide them to build out a brand for an actual business. So there are going to be requirements around that. It's not going to be a business that's been around for 50 years but, um able to really pair up with something that is, you know, semi-established and could really use the help to build a brand. That may not have a full budget, um, and need the full, entire scope of what we typically do with branding.
Speaker 1So that's coming out soon lovely keep an eye out on our social channels lovely, brilliant and going into that I, what are getting into? You know leaving school and what are some misconceptions new graduates have about entering the creative.
Speaker 2Yeah, so we want to use this podcast to kind of give some tips to the students out there that are trying to figure out their next step. So I think one of those things that I definitely realized I mean I graduated forever ago and I wanted my first job to be at the Richards group because they did the cool Chick-fil-A ads and they were kind of one of the beasts in Dallas Did not get that job.
Speaker 2But I think a lot of times students think that the only opportunity to work in this field is working at an agency. You know, and it is that or nothing. It took me. Actually, I guess my first job was in publishing. My second one was actually at an agency in shopper marketing. It was in a brand agency. It was very much kind of in, I say, selling chips to kids. But I learned so much there. We did fantastic work like Frito and Pepsi. It was awesome. But it took me a few years to get to that place, to build, build up my portfolio, to even like get my foot in the door to have that interview. So I think a lot of times just students don't look beyond kind of the agencies that are in town. If you look at a town like Pensacola there's like six or so maybe five, six core ones.
Speaker 2So I mean, but there are opportunities across the board, like we had, girlfriends credit union was out here yesterday. They do fantastic work internally. We had um build a brain, which is part of the studio community Institute that's doing some fantastic, fantastic work in early childhood development. Um, who else did we have?
Speaker 2I mean, greeks was here you know, um, our client cause they're looking for some additional kind of set into other groups where you can either work in-house on one specific brand, um, you know, or even in things like publishing where you get a really great um peek into, like building ads for you know. Or, lamar, they're building billboards for you know, 50, 50 different businesses over the span of six months. So, yeah, I think there's a lot to do outside of that.
Speaker 1So don't get locked in on the agency job.
Speaker 2The drawing job's not going to be your first job.
Speaker 1No, it's not. No, it's not, and that's kind of in any field, even though we're going to talk about this, but, like in relation, like you know, when I started my DJing, I wanted to be the number one DJ at Club Space in Miami. No, no.
Speaker 2I don't know what it is, but it sounds big.
Speaker 1It was, it was, it was. Well, I have to tell you a story about that one day. But you got to crawl before you walk. Tell you a story about that one day. But you got to crawl before you walk, you got to crawl before you walk and you got to take your lumps. And you know, uh said something that lives today Um, you don't always win, but you can always learn.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah and and with that, like you say, crawl before you walk. Like the grunt work is a real thing. Um, be prepared to go in somewhere and be doing production type work Like. One of the things I hear from students often is they want to be starting doing brand work. Like, unless you are some sort of like savant in design, you are probably not going to be doing full on brand systems right out of college. There's so many fundamentals that even you know lead to the skill set to be able to do type that type of stuff. So take the production job, take the like entry level job Like. John is a fantastic example of that. He was hired on really as a production designer but he's like creeping into brand work and killing it and even though, like, honestly, we hired him because his brand work was so fantastic in his portfolio.
Speaker 2Like, um, he had to. We had the position open of like some sort of like entry level opportunity, and he's learned so much within a production work that has supported like layout and attention to detail and typography and things like that. So, um, yeah, there's a lot of opportunities to just like build a career and a skillset. Um, that being said, like there's also, you know, when you're getting no, I mean well, in addition to that, like you're going to be going in somewhere and especially if you're working on a small team and that happens often with you know in-house teams, like it might be three to five people in their marketing team you're going to be wearing a ton of hats. Um, so, look for opportunities. I wouldn't say't say, accept the fact, like begrudgingly, that you're going to be wearing multiple hats. I would say, look for opportunities where you're wearing multiple hats, because you will learn so many more things and pick up.
Speaker 2so many more skill sets which will make you a much more attractive. You know, addition to any team in the future and you'll learn a ton through that process.
Speaker 1Yeah, I hear quite often now and I'm not trying to date myself, but a lot of people they're like, coming out of school, they're like I don't want to do that, I don't want to do that, I'm just going to do this, and I'm like, well, you're probably not going to get hired. Um, you know, in our day to day we wear multiple hats and we're uh, we're a pretty efficient team. So I mean you, you can't be scared to put on another hat, Um, and that hat's going to drop nothing but knowledge on you, yep Boom, I mean, the hat goes on the head.
Speaker 2That was just a knowledge drop Cute.
Speaker 1Um. So one thing I know we're um gaining benefits through internships. Talk about that.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, I mean, I think I would just look at any job opportunity, even if it's not the dream job or like one degree removed from the dream job, like any opportunity to build your resume, to show some real world experience is going to improve you as a creative, as a marketer, as a socialer, as a social media manager, social media content creator and it is going to get you that experience that is incredibly value on any resume. I think experience is kind of like real world experience is expected at this point.
Speaker 2I'm much more impressed by students that have taken on, even if it's like freelance work or, you know, working for your cousin bob like whatever that is on your resume outside of just the standard school projects, because it shows initiative and it shows the fact that you've actually kind of, like you know, got a little bit more um of that real world type stuff, because school work is.
Speaker 2I mean, the timelines that you have when you're in school are nothing beyond so beyond what you will have at a real agency job or creative job in any industry, also building connections. So I try to iterate this as much as I could last night to the students. But this business is literally like 50% skillset and 50% connections, like I would say. I mean just even in my own career that I've seen like we get a lot of business and inquiries now just through having a big presence in the community and reputation and referrals that I mean referrals. That alone is like connections. You know we still have, um, you know, people that come our way because somebody that I've known from 10 years ago or somebody you've known or anybody you know. So connections are one of the biggest ways to open up opportunities and whether you know it may not be them directly, but it may be somebody that's one degree removed.
Building Strong Connections for Success
Speaker 1Especially in Pensacola. We're a small community, we are growing, we are thriving, but in Pensacola we're a small community, we are growing, we are thriving, but in Pensacola I mean, you're not five degrees from somebody, you're like two Maybe, if you're lucky. And on that thing with connections too, make sure you don't burn bridges.
Speaker 2Don't burn bridges.
Speaker 1Can't put them back together.
Speaker 2Oh, I burned a bridge once. We'll talk about that one day, okay.
Speaker 1I have to. It sucks.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's dumb, but yeah, I mean it's been a minute, but yeah, I mean you learn throughout life and then also just with kind of that real world experience, I think one of the biggest things that's just really needed in any creative department is the ability to work well with a team, like checking your ego at the door. I don't care how good you are, you still have to be able to work alongside other people. Take feedback, take criticism. Take criticism from clients that sometimes are feedback that you don't agree with.
Speaker 2With a smile on your face, yeah, and I mean there's. There's definitely some degree of you know, as you kind of develop in your career, people, clients, looking to you to advise and lead them. But at some point in a project sometimes you know it is the client's product in the end.
Speaker 2And it might not be the decision you would have made, but you have to be humble in this job for sure, and I think a lot of that. Learning to work well with a team and get feedback and direct client experience really helps build that up.
Speaker 1And don't take it personal.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's just business.
Speaker 1Exactly.
Speaker 2Exactly.
Speaker 1Yeah, you got to get that experience, and if you're taking it personal and not growing, then your chances of being involved with a quality team lessen Exactly. On the next point, we want to talk about when that person graduates or whatever how important is having a strong online presence for them?
Speaker 2Yep, okay, so first we're going to talk about online and then we're going to talk about in-person presence.
Speaker 1Okay so online.
Speaker 2Obviously, everybody thinks, okay, I need to have my website, I need to have my portfolio, that stuff is all incredibly important and should be obvious honestly. So that's that's something that students often go through and are, or should be, or you know, trained very well throughout school to build their portfolio, to build their resume. That should be a given. Um digitally, having it well presented online, treating your portfolio like a portfolio piece, like the the amount I'm shocked every time I receive a link to a Google Drive that's full of random images Like that is an immediate no.
Speaker 2And we just I don't even look through them, I just shelve it because you need to be treating yourself like you would treat a project and presenting yourself in the best light possible, and that first interaction is everything. That first impression is everything. That first impression is everything. So website and portfolio resume should be very obvious. But another thing, two other things. So social media profiles again, sometimes I get people's personal social media profiles. I mean I'm going to stalk you anyway, I'm going to find those, but I want to see your professional portfolios, especially in the creative fields. You have to have, like a, a LinkedIn for your work, should have a LinkedIn for your work and you should be updating it regularly and you should be, you know, creating new work and, um, you know, engaging with businesses that you want to be working with through that professional LinkedIn or through that professional. Instagram is kind of the go to for that sort of thing.
Speaker 1So you're saying you know you can have your personal but also have a professional one. So you have it toward Got it, got it.
Speaker 2Dedicated to your work and I will say, like on your personal one, don't be stupid Like we are going to stalk you. And there is that line between you know, having a Personal life on social media. Yeah, yeah Just. Just be careful, don't say dumb things Come off as professional um some people may not agree with me on this, but that's kind of a line we draw. We're not going to hire somebody and then a client looks them up and they're just acting like an idiot dummies online.
Speaker 2Yeah, because it doesn't go away it doesn't and, like you know that people are unfortunately going to like judge you off of the stuff that you, the way you present yourself online, and it's important, especially if you're going into a professional space.
Speaker 1And if you want to act a fool, just create a burner account and just be a fool over there that nobody knows about. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2But again and then. So obviously, like LinkedIn is, instagram is very important for creatives. Facebook, I think, is one of those things that's kind of needed just for having it, but I do think that Facebook is kind of dying out for this sort of personal brand stuff.
Speaker 1I would agree too. I was talking to Liz and she was telling me there's some sites Dribble, OK. Yeah, Dribble's good too OK.
Speaker 2Dribble's Beh yeah, dribble's good too. Okay, dribble's Behance is another one. So there's several of those kind of portfolio sites that just you know. I think they can be really great additions to having, like, an Instagram, to just be even more active in the communities and having a stronger online presence Like LinkedIn, I think is one of the ones that many students overlook. Um like LinkedIn I think is one of the ones that many students overlook.
Speaker 2And I think it's one of the most important ones, um, because you are going to be able to make connections with people that are actually going to be hiring you there. Um, and personal connections. So you're not going to be connecting with their business account, like, yes, you can follow the business account, but if I want to find the creative director at a specific agency or the marketing director, like, connect with them on LinkedIn, like engage with their content like reply to their posts.
Speaker 2you know, build that connection online so that they know who you are and make an impression that way for sure. Yeah, so engaging through LinkedIn and also engaging through Instagram, like comment on the, the business profile. So, like people you know, comment on the Hatchmark posts and you know any, any sort of engagement like that and responding to their stories, stuff like that. It's kind of like the soft stock. I don't know.
Speaker 1I don't know You're worrying me. You say stock a lot. I'm a little worried.
Speaker 2So, yeah, those are just like the basics of what you should be doing online, for sure.
Speaker 1OK, and talk to me about this in-person presence.
Speaker 2In-person. You have to actually go out and meet people in the real world Wild, it's OK, you will survive.
Speaker 2I do think that a lot of students, at least the ones that are very driven, are typically involved in their creative clubs on campus. I know that UWF has one. I know that PCC here has a really strong creative club. But being able to not only build relationships with your colleagues at school and learn from them and help you be plugged into the community through things that you learn about through there, but also get out there and get involved in the professional or young professional organizations in your community, Because, those are the people that are actually going to know, somebody that might hire you.
Speaker 2They may have an opportunity for you. They may just like and everything like. I know I'm approaching this from the like. They may have an opportunity for you. Everything is not about like getting the job. It's about building connections. It may lead to it one day, but, like having a really strong professional network, is one of the best things that you can do for your own personal development or professional development.
Speaker 2Personally and professional development honestly Yep development or professional development personally and professional development honestly, outside of even like the goal of like I'm just trying to connect with these people because I want to get something from them eventually. Like surrounding yourself with other professionals is the best way to learn from them and to grow professionally and to be exposed to other industries and other businesses. Yeah, why are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 1Because I love what you just said. I love it because he's nodding.
Speaker 1Well, I mean, you surround yourself with people. It's the rule of five. You surround yourself with five people who are doing good things financially, professionally, spiritually, whatever. It helps you grow. Or you surround yourself with five people who ain't doing shit and then guess what you ain't doing shit and then guess what you ain't doing shit. So it's a rule I've taught my kids and I speak about it a lot. So, yeah, I mean, and professionally, you know, don't go in there trying to just get something out. Like we said, like you know what, you may become this person's friend and maybe lifelong friends and help each other just grow. You may not even get a job from that, but it's just good to put yourself out there with positive people and it impacts your whole life.
Navigating the Creative Job Search
Speaker 2You plugged in and grow Yep. So there's that. There's kind of the professional groups that are so. Pensacola young professionals is a perfect example of one of those in town here but, there's also like there is ad fed here that is specifically towards, you know, advertising and marketing.
Speaker 1Can you say that again? What is it?
Speaker 2AdFed.
Speaker 1AdFed.
Speaker 2AdFed. It's the Addies. Oh, american Advertising.
Speaker 1I just call it the Addies all the time. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2Well, that's the awards.
Speaker 2But, AAF is like the professional networking group, for that, like, I know that there's a designer's group on Facebook that occasionally has meetups. So find those groups of people that are professionals in your own industry, but also the ones that are broader, in a broader professional space. Um, yeah, so I mean it's a combination of both and start doing it while you're still in school. Like I think that, beyond just getting connected and plugged in, I think that the it is rare for students to get super plugged in before they graduate and I think that is noticed for sure.
Speaker 2I notice when students show up at stuff, because I'm like, oh, you actually like are really going.
Speaker 1you know, I say above and beyond, but I think it should be the standard and taking that extra initiative in your career before you're you're ready to ask for the job yeah, and people don't bite it's, it's okay, really nice yeah, and usually, um, whenever we do the ad fed network, they're usually at a pretty cool place too, so you come hang out, meet some cool people, probably get a good meal as well. Yeah, on to the next. This is an interesting topic how can students approach an agency or business that may or may not have a job opening currently to get on their radar?
Speaker 2Yeah. So I just said kind of the soft stock you said stock Stock.
Speaker 2It's going to be my new term, I just kind of came up with that. I love it, but, you know, interacting with them on social media, reaching out to them, asking them, send them an email, ask if they have any upcoming opportunities, drop them your portfolio, like, even if we don't have something open. I have a folder that says, like you know, job requests or internship requests, and I I saved those things. Um, so, funny story. I don't know if I've told this one before, Um, but John actually reached out to me like a year, a year and a half, before he interviewed here because he had to interview somebody that was in the creative space, um, that he kind of like admired their agency or whatever they were doing, and so we had like a zoom call and he interviewed me and used me for a school project.
Speaker 1Oh, wow. And then when?
Speaker 2he applied, like I remembered that, and his work was great, but um, that really kind of made him stand out as well. Um. So it was like you know, if you've got a school project where you have to interview a professional, like maybe interview multiple ones, you know it doesn't have to be the one that you use, but that's a really good opportunity to have a conversation with somebody and make a connection with them. Um so, doing that and um again, like just harping on the LinkedIn thing, connect with people on LinkedIn because, that's where professionals are hanging out.
Speaker 2They're not spending all their time on Facebook or Instagram. They are on LinkedIn to build connections with other professionals and like comment on their stuff, like drop them a note, ask them for like a um to take a look at your portfolio and give you feedback and be open to honest feedback, um, and then take it into account and execute on the feedback, like you actually have to do it, um. So yeah, I think that if you can, um kind of get on the radar and almost build that connection with somebody where you, you know you admire what they're doing and whether that turns into a job one day, or just you know them, them kind of helping guide you along the way, that stuff that's. That's low, it's easy to do, it's free to do, it just requires effort and actually staying connected and following up.
Speaker 2Yep, and then you know if you do happen to attend like a networking event like we had here last night, college night 2025. I said this to the students last night. I hope that everybody who talked to a a business or professional here followed up with them, like anybody who got a business's information like drop them a note, said hey, thank you for with them.
Speaker 1Like anybody who got a business's information, like, drop them a note said hey, thank you for coming out.
Speaker 2Like these businesses didn't have to be here. Like obviously some, many of them want to, um, uh, find students for to fill some internships, but they could have put a post up. They're out here after hours, um, and representing their businesses, so drop them a note, say thank you, connect with them on LinkedIn and just really kind of be appreciative and do that follow-up because that means a lot the follow-up, the art of the follow-up.
Speaker 1I know back in my day that was like you called or you texted or you emailed that day or the next day. Don't be afraid, the art of the follow-up is a real thing.
Speaker 2It's so rare and like. One of my biggest pet peeves and I note it every single time is if we interview somebody and they do not send a thank you after. That's not a good look. No, you gotta send a follow-up to them.
Speaker 1It's not hard people, and it's so ridiculous, Like when somebody follows up how that employer, like how you stand out to that employer.
Speaker 2It's not just like and I think that, so you know, it's not for us to be like, oh, like they're stroking our egos or whatever, because we gave them this chance to have a conversation with us. No, it's like showing a level of professionalism. Like you're going to be around clients and we want to know that you know how to behave in a professional environment and what is appropriate.
Speaker 1Correspond with clients.
Speaker 2Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1So, with that being said, this quick little recap follow up for the students out there. One big question, oh, what advice would you give to students who are feeling overwhelmed or discouraged about the jobs search process in the creative field?
Speaker 2Yeah, this is an incredibly competitive space and I you know you're not going to send out five emails or five resumes or applications and land a job. Like it's a consistent thing that takes building relationships and is done over time. Unless you are, you know just the work that I see coming out of students right now, like I wouldn't have hired myself, based on my portfolio, out of college students right now, like I wouldn't have hired myself based on my portfolio out of college.
Overcoming Setbacks and Building Resilience
Speaker 2The bar is so high right now that you really have to not only have the great work and if your work is not up to par, that it should be like put in the effort and do the fake projects, do the pro, work for a nonprofit or your cousin Bob, or whatever, to build up your portfolios to that level and develop your professional communication skills, things like that, at the same time, Because it is very, very competitive. But you know, once you have your foot in the door somewhere, that really helps so much to get that next opportunity to continue to build your career. But yeah, I would say like, don't get discouraged, Just um, keep, keep trying.
Speaker 2But when people you know ask people for if you're not getting a lot of responses back, ask people for their feedback say what can I do to make my portfolio better, my resume better, make myself stand out and, um, don't, don't get your feelings hurt when they give you some, you know, just kind of honest opinions on on what you should be developing, and take that into account and and build from there, because that says a lot too.
Speaker 1Yeah, if it's not a win, it's a lesson.
Speaker 2And, of course, take the job, even if it's not the dream job. Take the job that's going to get your foot in the door, that's going to help build your portfolio, resume, your career and, you know, take that as an opportunity and don't be like annoyed about it, like if it's not the dream job like really be positive about the fact that you're in somewhere and do everything you can do to learn as much as you can and learn how to work with a team.
Speaker 1Drop your ego.
Speaker 2Positive.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah, well, the I do. I'm not a student, but I would like to say thank you for them, for all the knowledge you just dropped. I'm sure that somebody out there is discouraged or just starting the process, and hearing this podcast will hopefully relate to them and they can be like. You know what I'm about to put in that I'm about to follow up, yeah, um. So, with that being said, is there anything else about our internship or the hatchery that you want to say before we um, not right now.
Speaker 2We're ironing out some of the details, but it will be out in the next couple weeks, so mid-february or so so pay attention to the socials.
Speaker 1Yeah, all right. With that being said, hey, it's good to have you back yeah, you're back because, oh yeah, you were going. Where did you go? It's a japan.
Speaker 2You went to japan I checked out for a minute.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was great, good yeah, good, good, you saw snow there I did see snow and you saw snow here.
Speaker 2I know it's so much snow, so much show my life in the last 30 days.
Speaker 1That's amazing. That's amazing. So, with that being said, make sure, if you're listening to this, share this, because somebody may be starting their journey and they may need to hear this. Smash a like on this when it comes out on social media and leave us a review on Spotify or Apple. We appreciate that kind of stuff. So, with that being said, practical Rebels out. We've gotten really good at that.