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Megan Cordone-Greene - Journey of Rebranding, Wellness Innovation, and Community Collaboration in Clinical Massage Therapy
Ever wondered how a massage therapist rebrands and expands their business in a post-COVID world? Join us as Megan Cordone-Green, the inspiring owner of ACG Integrative Wellness, walks us through her journey from dual majoring in nursing and clinical massage to focusing solely on clinical massage and community public health. Discover the motivations behind her rebranding to Nova Clinical Massage and Health, driven by emerging health trends, and her transition from private yoga sessions to teaching myofascial release and mindful movement classes. Megan shares her rebranding strategies, challenges, and the excitement of giving her business a fresh new identity.
Collaboration and community engagement are cornerstones of Megan's approach to wellness. In our conversation, she discusses her vision of integrating clinical practices and mentoring newer graduates to foster collaborative care with medical professionals. Learn about the diverse demographic of clients she serves, from pre-teens to individuals in their mid-80s, and the common issues they face, such as pain, dysfunction, and stress-related ailments. Megan reveals how targeted massage therapy can effectively address conditions like headaches and migraines, offering a glimpse into her personal life and how she balances her professional responsibilities.
Imagine a world where clinical massage therapy is a staple for everyone, regardless of pain or injury. Megan emphasizes the broader benefits of massage, including enhanced happiness, sleep, and exercise. We explore the nuances between spa massages and targeted therapeutic work, highlighting the importance of massages that promote healing instead of causing pain. Megan also provides insights into the similarities and differences between massages and chiropractic adjustments and offers tips on integrating both for optimal results. Concluding with reflections on gratitude and the fulfillment she finds in helping others achieve optimal health, this episode is a treasure trove of wisdom for anyone interested in wellness.
My name is Megan Cordon-Green. I'm the owner of ACG Integrative Wellness and I'm a clinical massage therapist, so I offer clinical massage services and I was offering private yoga and movement education as well. Right now I am transitioning and rebranding my business, so I'm moving more toward community and public health with clinical massage services.
Speaker 2:Yes, Pretty cool. I am very excited. Yeah, you must be I mean like adding more things, taking away stuff, shifting. I'm sure there's a process to that, which I will ask you about in just a bit, but before I do, could you give me a little bit of a background about yourself and what led you into the massage therapy world and how you got here?
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah. So I actually went into clinical massage studies in undergrad. I was dual majoring between nursing and clinical massage, so I studied both. I absolutely fell in love with the clinical massage and body work aspect. Just being able to help folks with my hands right, just being able to help folks with my hands right and, obviously, you know, learning the kinesiology portion, the myology, neurology, all of the science courses and knowing what the body is entailed of that really just drove me to stay with clinical massage. I did some of the nursing program but I veered away from it. Finish, finished up clinical massage and then I went right into community and public health later on. So I have a pretty cool background because I've studied different pieces of science. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2:It sounds like you were a busy girl, like getting all that and learning and figuring it out yeah, cool. And you said you're in the middle of rebranding. Talk to me about how that's been going. The process of it out yeah, Cool, yeah. And you said you're in the middle of rebranding. Talk to me about how that's been going. The process of it all. Some things that you've added, some things that you've taken away. Get into the nitty gritty of that all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure. So I would say the last few months I've been pretty inspired just by different studies, kind of since COVID, where things have transitioned for folks and their health overall. So I should back up and say I've my business has been running for almost five years, so I'm reaching that five-year point. Congratulations, thank you, thank you. I know I'm like you know you say that and a lot of folks are like, oh you're, you've got the nitty gritty done Right. But you know we're all still figuring it out along the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um, so, yeah, so I I think I just realized after COVID there are so many aspects to folks' health, Um, and massage is just one piece of the alternative health right. There's so many other things that we can do and because my background is just filled with different nuggets of knowledge, I was like it's time to apply that. So that's kind of where the rebranding idea came from, and I started teaching myofascial release classes and I got away from the yoga, just started teaching more movement-based, more mindful classes and that kind of inspired this rebrand was. You know what can I add in with that clinical massage? So that's where it's been going and right now I'm working with someone on changing the logo, changing the business name, yeah, yeah, and hoping, you know, over the next year or so I'll be able to get more out into the community, teach more classes, get more into businesses and teach more wellness practices. Hey, pretty cool, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to get back to the part of changing the logo and the business name with marketing. Have you found that to be a bit hard or a bit of a challenge? Are people like, wait what? Or have you found like, oh man, people have unfollowed me.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's because they're like I don't remember this, I don't remember following so, yeah, so it's funny because I actually on Instagram, like I changed it just to my name for now and folks are like, hmm, like what, who are you? I thought you were ACG. Like what, who are you? I thought you were ACG. So I have already recognized that is part of the process, um, and my new business name will be Nova clinical massage and health. So I'm going to kind of put that all out there at once. Perfect, right. So right now it's like I'm pausing and I'm gonna wait until everything's done. And yeah, like back to your question is that going to change how things look on Google maps, right, and just the algorithm on Instagram? And possibly, I don't know if I get back on Facebook or try TikTok, right, yeah, yeah, it probably will, but I'm like that's part of the journey, right, just like when we all first start.
Speaker 2:And then, once you get past that, like you're fine, yes, just don't do another one. I'm just kidding, unless you want to no no, no.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 2:Just so they're not like wait what Again? Right, but unless there's a need, yes, I support you. But have you thought about making maybe like a post saying like hey guys, it's still me, I'm going a little, I'm just updating a couple of things and you refresh facelift for the company? I have definitely thought about that, right.
Speaker 1:So, like once everything is done and good to go, yes, I, I'm hoping, I, yeah, like my idea is, once I do have everything ready, um, and after I get these awesome photo shoots from you guys back and I get some new pictures, I do want to a facelift on Instagram, business cards, all that, and put it all out there and be like, hey, this is being worked on the back end. I'll chat about this soon, right, and just start Anthony, though.
Speaker 2:Yes, I think that's a great idea. I love that Thank you and it'll be a good way to reintroduce yourself, you know, and yeah, yeah, how many team members do you currently have at your place?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. How many team members do?
Speaker 1:you currently have at your place. So right now it's just me. I, yeah. So in the past well, I should I'll say I am also an instructor and part of the administration team at a local massage therapy school. So some of my previous students I had actually mentored under me and I helped them build their businesses under my business and now they're running their own businesses. So my mentees are done and right now I'm pausing that because of the rebrand and I want to get some of this done first. Right, yes, too many things on the plate. It'll take away from the primary focus of clients.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay cool. Have you ever thought about maybe like expanding, though, or is that in the cards? I know you say you're doing everything yourself. I'm sure there's some hurdles and challenges, but I'm sure you're able to manage it because you've been doing this for a while. So no, but have you considered maybe like getting a team on board, like maybe scheduling or all that good stuff it's.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's all good thoughts, right, I do have a bookkeeper, I do have an accountant, so I have the folks that help me more with the admin side. But yeah, it is something to consider in the future and I'm not really sure what that would look like, right, especially with the new services that are to come on board. So it is all possibilities. I like collaborating a lot with other businesses, so that might be another kind of tool that I take with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's great. Yeah, and then getting together with the community and like helping each other, I think that's cool and just network and grow your, your circle. So good luck with that. I think that's going to be a great idea. I appreciate that. Yeah, of course. Um, where do you see yourself in the next five years with yourself and with your company? Like, where do you hope to be? What do you hope you have accomplished? And like, once you have finished, like all the rebranding stuff, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm in the thought process of like, yeah, what does that look like? And I think I would love to work with newer graduates in massage therapy and get them more on board with the clinical side of massage, so teaching them more of, okay, what does it look like to work with physical therapists, chiropractors, acupuncturists, other medical doctors, other medical doctors how to incorporate that collaboration within, maybe, their businesses. Or maybe at that point do I have massage therapists that are hired under me and I teach them more on how to collaborate within the business. So that's definitely. One thought is how do we get more integrative or more holistic with other practitioners in the community? Yeah, with other practitioners in the community, yeah, um and um. Otherwise, just getting again back into the community, maybe more businesses, schools, um, working with different teams and teaching them more about how effective massage is right. What are the benefits? I know massage has become more popular, but there's always more to get out there yes.
Speaker 2:There's plenty to go around, yes, yes. And what is the demographic for your business of clients who come?
Speaker 1:in.
Speaker 2:And what are some issues that maybe anybody who's listening who isn't aware of that they could go to. You are yeah absolutely so.
Speaker 1:I actually see some of my clients are as young as maybe like pre-teens, and I have some who are mid-80s at this point and everyone comes to me basically with some sort of pain, dysfunction, discomfort, um, and a lot of times you know they're coming in being referred by other practitioners. So I work a lot with other PTs. I know Dr Kristen Sykes is here, yes, she's here, yes, and like Kayvon and his crew from Functional Fitness, a lot of trainers will send me their clients as well, just getting everyone kind of collaborative working on board together and getting these clients to feel their best every day. I hope that does that answer your question. Yes, okay every day.
Speaker 2:I hope that does that answer your question. Yes, okay, what kind of issues are some of the things that you help clients with? Just in case anybody has any of those issues and they're like, oh, that's where I go, or I did not know that Sure, yeah, so it kind of ranges.
Speaker 1:I mean, I have folks who come in pre-surgery so they know that surgery is on their horizon. Maybe they're getting a shoulder replacement, maybe something microscopic done to a joint somewhere on their limb. Then I also have clients who come in after surgery so that could look like again, like maybe after that shoulder surgery they're seeing Dr Kristen, they're also going to see me on a regular basis to work on all the other areas of their body that could be pulled or in some sort of dysfunction due to that surgery. I see some folks as simple as maybe regular headaches, migraines, women with different PMS issues, a lot of hormonal fluctuations, and then folks who are just tired, right, high-stress jobs. That's pretty common as well.
Speaker 2:Okay, Can I ask just because I'm curious about the headache and migraine and how does that work with the body or how can that be causing it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so. Some folks will just grind their teeth, they'll clench, sometimes sleeping wrong. High stress, so a lot of adrenaline, high cortisol levels. Folks will often, you know that, typing right, they're on their phones. All that pulling down on their shoulders can cause the back of their heads and neck to really tighten up. So a lot of times when I'm working with clients with headaches and migraines, for example, I'm not just going to work the scalp and I'm not just going to work, you know, the back of the head, I'm going to get into the neck. I'll work the TMJ across the face. We have a lot of muscles in the face and a lot of that will often cause that pull of the head. Yeah, whoa.
Speaker 2:I thought it was just like oh, I'm stressed Like take a NAD bill or take this, yeah, it's gone for now, but then the next day it's like back. It's like do I have to?
Speaker 1:keep taking these pills like I'm tired of this. Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure, and well, you probably felt like you take the Advil. You're tight after. Still right, it still feels like there's a pull or a pulsating. So oftentimes that's the muscle right being got that has that tug and massage can help that right. We can help release that. So we're not just working the muscles, we're going to also work the fascia and around the joints, so everything the muscle encapsulates.
Speaker 2:That is crazy like whoa, I didn't even know there was like a muscle right. But I don't know why I just when I think of a headache, I just picture like this tension area, but I don't think of a muscle. I just think like I don't know what, I think it is, but I don't think it was a muscle. But this is good to know.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I learned something new today and now. Who are you outside of massage therapy, like outside of your business, when you're not trying to figure out this whole rebranding thing and like trying to make time for yourself, but also for your clients? How do you balance that and what do?
Speaker 1:you like to do? Sure, I mean great question, right, as a massage therapist. We have to maintain a healthy lifestyle, right? If we're going to promote it, we need to be that right. So I am a mom of two. I have a son who is almost eight years old and my daughter just turned two. Happy birthday, thank you. Yes, I am married to my best friend and I mean we just have a great time as a family together.
Speaker 1:I make my schedule around my kids' schedules and when my husband is out of work he's with them. So we do a lot of juggling acts. We're busy with them and then, aside from being with the family, I love reading. I'm a huge reader. I love to learn. So I'm still. I still read a lot of research articles and try to get into, you know, what's going on in the world. What can I be kind of staying up with? I'm very active as well, so I try to exercise, you know, three to five times a week around everything going on outside of work and family. And aside from that, you know that's really it right. Just healthy foods, drinking plenty of water. Yeah, that's pretty much it, no.
Speaker 2:I love that. That's so important. Talk to me a little bit how exercise can play a role also with what you're teaching your clients and how it can help them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so, kind of like what I mentioned with the headaches. Right, we have muscles right all over the body and then around those muscles we have fascia. So I use this analogy often. It's fascia, probably a little gross, but you buy a piece of chicken from the grocery store and you know the skin around the piece of chicken. So that skin around the piece of chicken is called the fascia. We have that on our body. So when you think about muscle on the body, we have that fascia and it encapsulates the muscle. It's that thin layer.
Speaker 1:So when I'm massaging, I'm working the muscle and the fascia. When we're exercising we're going to help strengthen both the muscle and the fascia. And I recommend to my clients you know we need to find that balancing act of. We need to strengthen right, we need to strengthen both muscles and fascia because that's going to keep the body nice and strong. Right, we need our bodies to be strong so we don't fall ill with dysfunctions of physical movement. We also need to find lengthening. So we still need to stretch, we still need to walk and take lower impact. So I will recommend to my clients you know I'm not an exercise physiologist, so I refer them over to the hands of trainers and physical therapists, but it is finding that balancing act of you. Listen to your body. You need to find strengthening and you need to find lengthening.
Speaker 2:I love that. And you did mention the lengthening. I was about to say, like what is that? But then you said stretching. I am probably like a culprit of not stretching. I just like go and exercise because that's probably like I don't know why. I just don't think like oh, it's not that important. But can you talk to me a little bit about why that actually is important and why I should be doing it? Or maybe other people who are like, or they're like girl, how did you not know you're supposed to stretch? You're supposed to stretch, like I've seen it.
Speaker 1:but Well, I mean, I think we always think like oh know we want to strengthen, we just want to get strong. But a part of that is that lengthening, because when the muscles get too tight, when the fascia gets too tight, you know we're not going to be, we're not going to get stronger. Right, everything stays tight. And then, if it stays tight and we continue to do that, right, what's going to happen? Injury right.
Speaker 1:And when we lengthen and we really pull first off, it just feels good, right, like it's already a stress reliever. But at the end of the day, you know, you're bringing more blood flow to the muscles and the fascia, you're allowing more lymph, a lot of drainage of anything that could be stuck in those tight muscles to return back to the lymph nodes in the heart. And that's what we want, right? We want our bodies to feel whole and oftentimes, when we feel tight, right, we feel disconnected, yes, from the body. So that's kind of, uh, the gist of what I give clients, yes, but it can kind of kind of be hard to wrap our heads around until we're in it and doing it yeah, no, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 2:That leads me back to when I was talking about marketing. Yeah, how are you getting out this information to clients online, whether it's through tiktok, potentially, or instagram, because I think this is really important? They're maybe kind of like common misconceptions with me, like oh, you don't need to stretch, you can do it after.
Speaker 2:you don't need to do it before, right or with the headache thing like. Are you putting out these little nuggets of information out there in the world? I should be answering your questions Because I really do think, like even just putting your camera there, have a nice little ring light or something make the lighting. Look, you know, good, like this, yeah, but like at home and like sharing that, I really feel like a lot of people would be like, oh, that's that makes sense, you know?
Speaker 1:No, it totally does, and this gives me the inspiration to get going on it, right yeah, Because I am guilty, I don't post a lot online, that's okay, it's not for everybody, but we got to find our happy medium right? Well, it is right Because when you think about getting out into the community, a big part of that is getting online Everyone's online on their phones. So thank you for that, yeah you're welcome.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just like dang this girl. She's like she's got the good little charisma.
Speaker 1:She's knowledgeable.
Speaker 2:And I feel like a lot of people need to hear this Like this is so important, or like just common things that you think about but you never get around to actually asking a professional. You'll just go on Googlecom and be like, why does my head hurt? Is it important to do this? No, some people will say yes.
Speaker 1:So like hearing it from a professional is so much better oh well, thank you for that and it is, um, like I said, it's a good reminder because in my head, you know, I, I think, you know, as a practitioner, you think, oh well, there's always more to offer. But it is kind of getting back down to know why is? Why do we need to balance that lengthening and strengthening right?
Speaker 2:why do we need to?
Speaker 1:keep enforcing? Hey, why we need to balance that lengthening and strengthening, right? Why do we need to keep enforcing? Hey, we need to stretch just as much as we strengthen. So yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's good for me to bring no stop. I was just saying because I was just like maybe she is already doing it. Let me dive deep into that. But that's cool Like you're on your journey, right? You're figuring things out as you go yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not everything's like woo, all ready to go, and like I've been doing this, like everybody finds that they're different, everybody has a different race that they're running, and like finding things that work or implementing new ways, like how you're implementing new things to your business. Maybe the social media could also be a part of that rebrand as well. So that's cool. Yeah, I'm happy and excited for you for that. Thank you, yeah, absolutely. Um, what have been some challenges for you besides being a business owner that you have found, that you have overcome and that maybe you could give a tip to other entrepreneurs listening out there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Um, I think a big one as an entrepreneur is starting slow. Um, starting slow in terms of you know you have the, you have goals and ideas and just take your time right, kind of map it out and take your time. I was blessed because my business, it exploded, like literally I opened and then COVID hit, but it's still. It blossomed and I would say it was from the support of everyone I was collaborating with at the time and it was amazing. But then I took a step back and I was like there are a lot of things I can fine tune, right and like, as you bring up the idea of social media, right, and just like a few other goals that I want to really hone in on and work toward in the future. Now it's time for me to kind of take a step back.
Speaker 1:So, it is like that idea of okay, we have those goals, we have those ideas, but take your time with it, right, because there's no rush, it's going to be there and there's always something that we can work toward. That would be something I definitely learned.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't rush things. Or sometimes you can find yourself getting impatient like, oh my gosh, why isn't this working? Why are people calling me Like I want to be busy and you're just like not in the moment, not present and not taking things slow and really sitting down and thinking about like if maybe that is something you want to do, or maybe if you want to change it up, it is.
Speaker 1:It is all that. It is all that. It is like what is your intention behind it? Yeah, and, and how to? Um, I guess think like, okay, I'm here and it, maybe this isn't working, but what else could I?
Speaker 2:um, do to get there? Yeah, absolutely yeah. And now is there anything, maybe while I have you here, that you want to mention to our audience listeners, anything that's been, I guess, on your mind, or that you want to just get out, while I have you here, that maybe I didn't touch on?
Speaker 1:perhaps Sure. I would just say like I recommend clinical massage to anyone, even if you're not in daily pain or you may not suffer from some sort of injury, but go get a massage. It'll make you happier, it'll make you sleep better and it'll make your exercise feel better. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Those sound all like good things, so why wouldn't you right, right, yes, yes, on to that because I've never.
Speaker 2:I've actually never done like a massage therapy thing. Oh, okay, is that like something that maybe everybody should do? Do you only wait until a doctor tells you you need to go because you have a problem? Or maybe like you're almost going to have a problem, so we want to try to prevent and send it? Yeah, like what's a good age to go? Because I never know, like it's not talked about, like you know when you're supposed to go get your annual and your yearly checkups, but I never hear about like you need to go get your massage therapy thing done. Tell me about that.
Speaker 1:So, honestly, anyone can go and get a massage and I think it depends on what your goals are like, where your health is at, and you could go to a spa and just get something really relaxing, and it's not going to, it's just going to help you just de-stress, right. And there's ranges of massage therapy and what I promote and what I offer is really specific work where you know someone is going to come in with some sort of dysfunction or pain or something that hurts and we're going to work that area, but we're going to work everywhere else and we're going to find what patterns are hurting or pulling.
Speaker 1:So I think it depends on how you're feeling, right. But you can go at any time and massage I should, I should also say should not hurt. You might have heard Lil like. Sometimes folks are like oh, like that massage therapist like elbow deep and it felt great, but it also hurt, right. We don't want that, we want it to be okay, like that was uncomfortable, that was getting worked, but I feel great after right. And I feel like I'm making steps toward healing.
Speaker 2:Yes, so no matter where you go and no matter how old you are, that's how it should feel, okay yeah, and then I know it's kind of a weird question, maybe not, but is it kind of like a chiropractor too, where like after it's done, do you feel like any soreness or you feel a little bit not off balance or set. I don't even know if that's a good thing, but I know I have. I've had that done and I feel a little bit like weird and the next day I'm sore. Is there any of?
Speaker 1:that when you get that done For sure no, that's a great point to bring up Um, some folks will feel off balance or like they feel like like their equilibrium's off right, like very tired after, or maybe like one side's a little more like loopy, um, totally normal. And, yes, the next day we call it delayed onset muscle soreness. So just as if you were to get a good workout in you'll feel sore for a day or two, but then your body should feel whole again and you're like oh, like that feels looser, I'm able to move better.
Speaker 2:I can reach that thing down without this cracking or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and speaking of you know I should bring up you know you brought up a chiropractor getting a massage um right before a chiropractic adjustment or right after, depending on the chiropractor's um recommendation is a great time to get a massage as well. Okay, good to know. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was not recommended to massage therapists after I went I'm just like okay, cool, and oh, oh, my gosh. When he cracked my neck I was just like I'm scared. I feel like don't be tight like the leaves. I hate it so much, I'm sorry, like no, I would choose a massage therapist over a chiropractor for me just because it's like so intense. But I was having a. What was it? I was having neck pain because I was working on a scrapbook that I was determined to finish.
Speaker 2:But I did not sit down on a table, I was sitting down like this on the ground, like for hours on end. So just sitting down normally would hurt. So yeah, lesson learned, yes, but I think my next journey in life is to do a massage therapist session and see what I can benefit from.
Speaker 1:That sounds, that sounds wonderful. And then maybe the chiropractor adjustment without the neck cracking. Yeah, I know, yes absolutely Apparently.
Speaker 2:I needed it, but it did solve my issue. So, it was scary, but it did do the trick.
Speaker 1:So, hey, maybe if you're scared and you're like I don't know, but maybe you could, maybe you will, I don't know Well, and I think too, like when you are, I mean anytime someone is working on your body you're like whoa, like it's vulnerable, right, like you're like this is new vulnerable right like you're like this is new, like this is different, and especially your face in your head.
Speaker 1:I mean, even when I massage folks, um, a lot of folks will come in with like TMJ pain from grinding their teeth, um, and I have to work like on the outside of their mouth, or sometimes gloves on. I'll work the inside, because there's muscles on the inside of the mouth and they're like, oh, like what is going on and I I'm like we've got this, like we're going to take a few breaths and you're going to feel great.
Speaker 2:Like thank you, because I'm scared right now. Yeah, okay, cool, I have a couple more questions here, have you had maybe like a moment where you're just like, oh my gosh, that's what it's all about. Like with anybody, you don't have to say any names, but maybe a session that stood out to you were just like man, we were able to solve this. I'm so happy to see them thriving, because they came here with this issue and I was able to help them. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I will say I definitely don't think I'm ever the solver. I know I'm like just part the. I'm one of the puzzle pieces to help complete that. Yes, yes, um, and that is. It is so um. It is so exciting for me when a client gets up and even if you know they get up and they're like I still feel it. But man, like I feel better and I'm like that is what we want, right. Like they get up, they have a smile on their face, they can bend over and tie their shoes again. You know they can get up and stretch their, their postures better. That is like great, right. And just letting clients like we always take a minute after and like checking in, like what's the body feeling like? And it's yeah, it is awesome, and I I'm so happy that most of my clients have been feeling that way. I don't think I've really had anyone like oof, like that. That did not help. I don't know if I've had anyone like that.
Speaker 2:Thank goodness Knocking on that one for you. Right now, we're not putting that out in the universe, no, but yeah, absolutely, that's great. Oh, my gosh, I have to cough. Excuse me, all right, thank you. Okay. Now my final question is is there a mantra or a saying that maybe you like to live your life by and would you share that with our listeners, or maybe even something that's been in your heart or on your mind that you want to share, just to leave the audience with something I'd have to think on that. Oh, on your mind that you want to share, just to leave the audience with something I'd have to think on that. Um, oh goodness, yeah, take your time, yeah.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't say so, I wouldn't say I have a mantra, but you know, I just I wake up every day and I'm it's just, you know, just so grateful that we're here, right, and it's like what can we make the most out of today? So if that's a day that I have clients or if that's a day that I'm with my family, you know it's just, it's so beautiful that we have another day to live right and that. And you know, we want the day to, we want ourselves to feel good, right, and we want our physical bodies to feel good, our mental beings, you know, our spiritual beings. However, that looks for each individual and that's that's how I look at every single day. Yeah, and when I do step into my studio and I have a day of clients on the books, you know I am just like wow, like we like it's amazing that this is what I get to do for a living. So I am just so grateful for that and I think, and I hope my clients feel that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's amazing. No, I'm glad that you're able to be doing what you love and like helping everybody figure out their life and the piece of the puzzle to just feeling better and having their optimal health. Thank you, so yeah, thank you so much for being on the podcast and sharing your knowledge, wisdom and your stories. Well, thank you for having me Both of