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Danielle Ferrin - Transforming Spaces and Lives Through Artistic Vision
Discover the extraordinary journey of Danielle Ferrin, the visionary artist behind Fun Places, who has transformed from a high school art enthusiast into a renowned muralist bringing joy to public spaces and pediatric locations. Listen as Danielle shares her path from creating life-size cow sculptures and Snoopy statues to balancing her passion for art with the demands of family life, including an unexpected move from Minnesota to Northern Virginia. Her story is filled with heartwarming anecdotes and inspiring moments that highlight the challenges and rewards of pursuing an artistic career while navigating life's twists and turns.
Explore the transformative power of art in educational settings through Danielle's exciting projects, from updating school murals as legacy projects for fifth graders to the viral TikTok sensation that captured a gym mural makeover. Hear about the innovative "Truth Be Told" initiative, which empowers students to infuse their creativity into bathroom stall doors, fostering inclusivity and representation in often overlooked spaces. Danielle's work demonstrates how purposeful art can create vibrant, welcoming environments that inspire and uplift students and communities.
Venture into Danielle's expansive artistic endeavors, which span from large school gyms to pediatric office build outs, beer labels, coloring books, large sculptures, and even painting vintage cars in Uruguay! She shares her love for travel, her experience mentoring a team, and the therapeutic joy of continuous growth and creativity. Danielle also emphasizes the importance of courage in art, encouraging others to embrace their artistic journey, regardless of the outcome. This episode is a treasure trove of inspiration, creativity, and heartfelt insights from a truly talented artist dedicated to making the world a more beautiful place.
My name is Danielle Farron, my company is Fun Places and I am a designer and create murals all over Public spaces, public art, pediatric locations, all kinds of things like that. I love that. Run a gamut of things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say you wear many hats because you're a muralist, a painter, a teacher, teacher, all that good stuff like. Tell me a little bit of your background and just your story and how you got up to this point and what got you into this artistic industry.
Speaker 1:Yes, so in high school I loved art, had a great art teacher who super fostered exhibiting your art, all that kind of stuff, getting us out there doing competitions, sold some stuff. And then I was that starving artist fear and going into college. You know you, when you're at that age it doesn't seem like it's a feasible future. So I went to college for other things, trying to double major and double minor and things that were broad and vast, that I could do a lot of things with. And after I got out I was in public relations and then had two kids within 14 months. So stepped aside from working because it wasn't really worth it. Took on one of the projects that I had managed at the public relations firm, which was these life-size cow sculptures from Switzerland that we were recreating into Minnesota themed cows. So I had managed this project. The ice cream company sponsoring it needed people to rework these cows into new things, these big life-size cows yeah.
Speaker 1:I could do that, um. So it was really fun. I got to make an Elvis cow, a Hawaii cow just I'm painting under this udder of this life side ladder of this cow underneath it yeah, this flesh cutter. I was like this is such a weird job but it's so fun transforming and changing. That led me to do a lot of other public art projects within the city of St Paul and then the state of Minnesota they Charles Schultz is from there so they did peanut statues every year, a hundred, and then artists would be chosen with corporate sponsors.
Speaker 1:So I ended up doing the first year I got three of those, which was the max that you could do, and so when I survived painting on creating all those in a week, you kind of get seen as an expert, like, oh, she can do this. So, um, then I did them every year and I was a snoopy doctor and different things, which led me into that kind of art realm. And it was really cool in that experience because there was a hundred plus artists creating these statues all in one week at the same time. So I got to be around more experienced artists that have done this kind of thing before and the art community is really cool because they're very supportive, like up and down. If there's people that are interested, most artists are more than happy to give them any advice or help that they can. If there's people that have been there, you know they're happy to give the tools of the trade.
Speaker 1:So it was really a neat experience and I think from that, one of my sponsors owned a pediatric dentist and I ended up redoing all of their locations and different themes and getting to build trees and mobiles and just construct every office whatever I wanted to. So there's a lot of imagination there, of courseals in homes to doing more public art, because it's really to me it was cool to have it so accessible to everybody the Snoopy statues people would go around the whole summer and find all of them throughout the summer and have their picture taken with each of them, and so it's like this interactive component of something to do for families or time together, which I really enjoyed, and it was cool to be part of something to do for families or time together, which I really enjoyed, and it was cool to be part of something bigger. So I enjoy doing spaces that welcome people, that take an edge off for kids if they're going to a pediatric dentist or doctor, Just something that brings joy in like unexpected places. Yeah, it's kind of like what I love to do.
Speaker 2:That is amazing. It sounds like you've had quite a journey, and you were in Minnesota and I think I saw you also were in California. What led you to Northern Virginia? How did you end up around these parts?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's. Yeah, that's an interesting story. I will try to truncate it a little bit, but we never expected to move. We love Minnesota, there's, it's a great place, lots of great things there.
Speaker 1:But my husband had applied for a job out here and, um, he always said he wasn't willing to relocate. But then the headhunters don't want to pass that information on right, they don't want to lose their person. So, uh, he got to you know, on the stages and talk to the hiring manager and it said, oh, it says you're willing to relocate. He's like no, so we? He said, well, you have to be here in person, so consider it before we fly you out for an interview. So, um, we did consider it. We had four kids at the. We have four kids and they were middle school through like kindergarten at the time, and it was a big choice. My dad had just been diagnosed with leukemia and his brother just died of the same cancer, and so it's just a lot like to think about and leave behind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we really felt like this was where we were being called to and, um, I didn't even know where Virginia was. Really, I'm like, well, I'm gonna go out with you, uh, when you go for your interview to see what this place is like. And I remember the man on the airplane next to me said you have to go to Wegmans. Have you ever been to Wegmans? You have to go to Wegmans. Have you ever been to Wegmans? You have to go to Wegmans. And I'm like I've never heard of Wegmans.
Speaker 1:So I dropped my husband off at the interview and I had the rental car for a few hours to check out this place called Virginia and see if it's someplace I could be. And um, and I went to Wegmans and I looked around and I'm like are these people good? No-transcript, I don't regret it. I'm not saying it was easy, though you know there's still some hard things when you move to a new place. There's definitely a time of transition and I think you realize more what you left behind. You appreciate it more when you don't have it. Minnesota is like 14,000 lakes and I came here looking for the lakes and there's no lakes in Virginia.
Speaker 2:I'm like where do?
Speaker 1:you swim people. Um, of course, pools, but we didn't have a pool at the time. So, um, yeah, you just you appreciate it, which is good, and kind of take what you know from where you are and plant it in your new place and I think that Minnesota welcome is needed here. So it's been really fun to kind of give people something different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, thank you. And like even just your sweater, and like colorful and like bright and just say thank you, like. Okay, there's my sunshine, because it's not out there today. Yes, yeah, virginia needs color right now.
Speaker 1:I love Virginia now it's really come to be home and my kids are, you know, getting married and having kids and settling here. So I think, we planned on staying two years and I think we'll be here a lot longer. Okay, cool.
Speaker 2:And now tell me how you came up with the name of your business.
Speaker 1:Oh man, fun Places. I don't even remember it was honestly like 20 some years ago that I came up with that. I really it really probably comes down to a heart of my brain doesn't like boring spaces and I think we all need that kind of pop in our days to something exciting. Life should be exciting. Sometimes it just gets so mundane and monotonous around us and I really want my imagination to come out and bring that to other people and in the means of creating fun places around them.
Speaker 2:So I love that yeah, yeah, cool, creating fun places around them. So yeah, yeah, cool. And now talk to me a little bit about marketing and how you're marketing yourself and all the paintings, murals, artistic endeavors, like how are you putting that out there and letting people know about what you do and what you could possibly do for potential?
Speaker 1:clients. Yeah, it's, it's. It doesn't seem like there's any end to the possibility of what there is to do. I've never had a hard time booking fully. It's mostly word of mouth. It's interesting because you can kind of like right now I'm doing a lot in the Loudoun County Public Schools and Fairfax Public Schools, so it kind of goes in themes. You know, I was doing a lot of elementary school and then I kind of start to do middle schools and then one middle school sees what the other middle school is doing, or you get to do it at the newest middle school and then everybody else wants to. You know, have they see the difference that it makes and they want to have that for their place too. So it's been a gift to not have to really market.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of ideas. There's a lot of niches I would love to go into when I have time. Airbnb's is a really common place for muralists to work to create that unique niche for the Airbnb. There's a lot of really cool things you can do with murals there. I love restaurant murals. I've done some in Minnesota. I haven't done a restaurant here. We've done a lot of really cool things for churches, not just in the classrooms for the kids, but even like some really sophisticated line work and lobbies and things like that that really just elevate a space for pretty inexpensive. The power of paint really can transform anything. Yes, it's really cool because Leesburg has been doing an initiative for the last couple years with public murals and so I got to do one of their public murals for the public works department at the town garage last spring and that was a big two-story exterior project over by the Lowe's.
Speaker 2:And it was really fun.
Speaker 1:I would be painting, you know, into the twilight hours and people would be honking and driving by and yelling nice things at me, oh good. They better be nice things. Yes, no, they were great and it's just that I can drive down seven and look over on this little driveway that leads right to the garage and see this pop of salmon pink you know, and it's so fun.
Speaker 1:Um, and it's just neat to see, uh, to be a part of something that people see, and they're like, oh, you did that. Or when I taught um art at the private school, I would have students coming from other private schools and they were like, oh, you did the Eagle at Loudoun Country Day School or you did the gym at my school, you know, and it just kind of was this connection Like I get to kind of secretly do mischief in places and leave my mark without people necessarily knowing. So it's really by word of mouth. Sometimes I see spaces and take a photo and design something for it and just cold pitch a client if I really want to do something, yeah, um, and I think that's fun because you're kind of giving them a highlight like maybe they've never considered that before maybe it's something that's not even in their mind that they could do this on a wall or something in them, right?
Speaker 1:right, a little improvement very, very cool.
Speaker 2:I love that. I love that you're just like making people's day, taking a moment to look at that and observe, like it's like we live in a fast room, we're looking at our phones, but if you can take the time to enjoy something, to be like, wow, did someone just do that all by themselves, like this is incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah and part of it's really fun because, whether it's in school or you know, an exterior city mural or one of the murals I have coming up is going to be an entrance to the Brampton Library Complex, which is a great location, and there's some pediatric, dentistry and offices in there as well. That will be reflected in the mural. But the part of the fun of it is having people see the process and getting a little of the behind the scenes and there's a whole analogy to that, I feel like in life, where I'm going to give you an example of a mural I'm working on right now in McLean for this middle school. It's a whole big stairwell, like two-story stairwell, and we did this method called the doodle grid method. So basically, my daughter, who's apprenticing with me this summer, and I we spray painted doodles of whatever we wanted all over this two-story wall and they came in and they're like um, did someone graffiti our school overnight? Like, is this what? This is not the design that it's supposed to be. I think they were a little freaked out but, um, it's been really fun to see. Then I explained to them that this is just a tool. This all gets covered up with paint. It's a way that I can overlay the design on and then freehand the design, using the doodles as um reference to where the lines go. And even the art teacher had never heard of that and she was kind of freaking out and so showing her something which then she goes on to teach her students. The school's actually using this whole mural process as like a theme for the year, because murals don't look good at the beginning, like they don't.
Speaker 1:Like you are putting your design up, your first coats never look good.
Speaker 1:You know if you paint, if you painted a room, you know that like you can't ever trust the first coat and then you do a second coat and then you do the fun my husband calls it the Dan dazzling where you're doing the shadows and the highlights and the details and the outlining and you really have to trust the process, process and I feel like it's a really neat concept for life because you might have an idea of what life is going to be and you have a design in mind for what you want and it's a messy middle to get there and you just have to trust that you're going to get there and keep putting the layers on and it becomes this beautiful thing. So I I just I hold that tight when I'm in the hard middle and I, you know, or I'm embarrassed that people are thinking this is the kind of mural work that I do as I go home at night and it's like not done yet Not done. But I think it's good for people to know that things don't always look perfect from the beginning.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:There's a in between Work in progress right. Work in progress. Yes, you are so good with the tagline. Oh, thank you. Work in progress.
Speaker 2:Have you considered maybe like doing like a time-lapse video? Have you like doing it like all fast in the process and putting it online so that way you can reach a broader audience? I know your work is like referral-based word of mouth, but I feel like you could reach an even larger audience with online like maybe Instagram or TikTok.
Speaker 1:I feel like your niche art would be just perfect for that. It is fun and we had we were doing, and this spring we were doing an elementary school legacy project. A lot of times, fifth graders will leave a legacy gift to their school, which is, I think, a really cool idea. We've done a whole host of things, but this was a gym mural and I actually got to paint over. This is kind of funny and, um, selfish, but I got to paint over one, a mural that was done by, um, uh, someone else from Georgia who's done a lot of the like 20 plus year old murals around here in the school and I'm not a huge fan of this style.
Speaker 1:It's like the bricks breaking and the jaguar coming out and like bricks flying at you on the concrete and, um, this mural was definitely dated. Uh, it wasn't inclusive, it was in an elementary school gym and where I happened to vote, so I see it often. And, um, for the update, the principal wanted it painted over, so we got to update it with the star and a quote that she had chosen they're the shining stars and um, and so I did actually time lapse, painting over this pre-existing mural and putting up our kind of new graphic, modern mural and it was funny because it always cracks me up on what goes viral on TikTok. So you know, viral to me is, like you know, over 10,000 views and this was one of them and it was like people, I think, just appreciate the transformation of old and a new and seeing something be reborn in a new way.
Speaker 2:Yes, so that's a great idea, I think.
Speaker 1:I should do that more. I think you should too, yeah.
Speaker 2:It'd be cool, or even just like talk about it and give people tips, like, okay, this is why you should not put these colors together, because it kind of creates this clash. Or maybe you're like rules are meant to be broken type of girl you know. Yeah, you should just just fun little things, nothing too crazy. Yeah, what are some current projects right now that you are excited to be working on or can you share? Are they secrets?
Speaker 1:I don't think they're secret per se. I think hopefully by mid next week we'll be finishing up this mural in McLean at the middle school and it's a beautiful transformation. They are really in the middle school and it's a beautiful transformation. They're really in the middle of like a four-year remodel. And so these stairwells they had a famous muralist team, jesse and Katie do one of the stairwells last summer. They're a famous muralist team from Baltimore who's done some really big projects and super graphic, colorful. They actually did the Burroughs down on the way to Tyson's, that whole block long mural where it's really geometric ombre effects, and so they did this really cool stairwell.
Speaker 1:Initially, when the principal had me come design for there, she wanted spa light colors and muted their colors like light blue and gray, but it's really cool. After they did that mural last summer, she's like, oh, match these colors, this vibrant did that mural last summer. She's like, oh, match these colors, this vibrant, like she. Just she had a 180 transformation. Yeah to seeing the effects of color on a space and going bold and big. Okay, she said I could use those colors too and we designed a really neat, um, transformative space of like a very contemporary great falls, super colorful and it's like three miles down the road from Great Falls, so it's kind of like walking through a cascading waterfall and I'm really excited for the students. I've already gotten great feedback.
Speaker 1:So that should hopefully finish up a week in the next week and then we'll be starting a big gym redesign for Simpson Middle School here in Leesburg. We've got to get these big projects with lifts done while the students aren't there and then we'll be moving on to Willard Middle School, and they have. They just said here's our big budget, what do you want to do with it? In our school and I've done a good variety of projects there before it's a beautiful middle school and they're really intentional about space.
Speaker 1:So we'll be doing a whole cafeteria mural about legacy and we'll be doing some murals that represent minority voices in the school because they're a very diverse school. So it's really neat to see principals with the intentions now about inclusivity and representation and I always try to do that in my murals. I sometimes in the past elementary schools, try to shy away from people per se. Yeah, and you know, do quotes with animals representing or you know something like that. So it'll be, and I think middle schoolers and high schoolers can certainly handle, you know, realistic representations of people and getting faces and humans out in front of them.
Speaker 1:So we've picked some really cool quotes to put up around willard and we're doing a new product off of the fun places brand called truth be told, and I just love this idea. I realized that through teaching at middle and high schoolers art for seven years that they really have a voice and they really have talent. So I wanted to use that to give them a platform to create 20 by 30 inch designs that then we print and schools can come in and pick from the truth be told line for their bathroom stalls doors to kind of uplift. Because what I saw as my kids went through high school, there's the bathroom, is a place to escape, sometimes for sad things, sometimes for troubling things, and I really just it's a captive audience.
Speaker 1:I really just wanted to uplift that boring space, but also with intention and giving artists the platform to have their designs licensed and represented and see that there really is a market for their work. I didn't want them to be like I was in high school where I didn't see a future in art because it all comes around to, I think, what your purpose to do anyway, and even if you try to run from it, like here, everything I do from you know teaching art, to mentoring kids, to murals, to design. Work is focused around art, so you can be afraid and you can run from it, but it'll eventually find you if you're really listening to what you're supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, that's so powerful and I really do admire that. You are very inclusive and trying to be very mindful and just purposeful with the work that you do. I think that's very powerful. And then like the intention, like when you see, with the work that you do, I think that's very powerful. And then like the intention, like when you see something, like you see the intention, I think that's yeah, it's your legacy.
Speaker 1:I don't want to put anything up on the wall or even design anything as an option for schools that I wouldn't fully stand behind. So it's fun. I use that as a filter. When I'm met with an empty space and people say design anything. It can be a little daunting to limit down and it's an interesting process of kind of curating ideas and mashing things together and kind of pulling and researching and investigating and then coming up with things and curating it more and making edits and it's like writing a book, yeah, but visually Totally.
Speaker 2:It's like writing a book, but visually, totally. For any of our listeners who are maybe inquiring or interested in maybe having a mural or something for you to work on, is there like a limit to what you won't do?
Speaker 1:Or like are you open to anything and everything. I'm open to anything I do. I've done logo designs, like I do. You know. I just recently did a beer label design for the Cashburn beer at Parallel Whiskey Bar. I have designed coloring books for diagnostic imaging companies and licensed stuff for larger companies. So no, with technology, nowadays I design murals using Procreate and it's really open. I used to design murals by hand and you know, use an old school projector, and nowadays it's it's so much easier with Procreate. You can design something up and it's easily to make edits. It's really the process that I do anyway.
Speaker 1:Designing a mural is is design, and so it just is putting it out into different platforms. So, and I always do free consultations with people if they have a space that they want me to come see my personality style is ENFP, so I'm a visionary, so I always have lots of ideas like probably too many ideas for people. That's a good thing, but I love the synergy of getting together with somebody in a space and talking through what could be and getting their ideas too in there, and then they feel part of the change, which is really cool, as they should. They're the ones living in the space, or leader. You know have been a leader in the space, and so to get their heart um and they're what they want the outcome to be from a change is is really important.
Speaker 2:Okay, and where do you see yourself as a person and with your business in the next five years?
Speaker 1:Good question, the look ahead. I really would love to do more, just keep going. Larger scale. I love big and I love impactful. So I would love to do airports and children's hospitals, places that really could use, have a lot of foot traffic to be seen and enjoyed. I would love the Truth Be Told line to continue to expand and into products and things that uplift, whether that's you know on like on products or you know apparel or things like that, and using my artist's designs on other things as well, as in schools and in the arts. So I mean, the sky's the limit. I'm only getting older and climbing up. You know two, three levels of scaffolding to do things just gets harder. So the more I can mentor a team of people and the more I can just kind of do some of the design work as well at home and have that be the guiding force and other people helping me paint, probably the better and I would love to do.
Speaker 1:I really enjoy when I travel and do murals in other places. I just this February got back from Uruguay where I did some murals and it was my second time going there and muraling there and it's just unique to see a place and to work with the confines of that place to create something that works there. So I was at a retreat center in Uruguay, right on the Rio de la Plata, just like an ocean, it's the widest river in the world and it's there's, you know, waves and everything. So I was. One of the things I painted was a shipping container while I was there for this retreat center and I could have done anything on it. So I walked the property, which is beautiful, full of gardens, and picked out some of the organic elements of the property and put them on there. So it kind of blended, but it definitely doesn't. I mean, it's very graphic and intentional. So now it's a photo spot and uplifts this ugly storage container into all the retreats that they have there. It's where their name is on it and they take photos with their groups that come in and out. So, um, it's just I.
Speaker 1:At another time I was in Uruguay, I painted this 1945 vintage Austin car, which was super cool. It was this old, rusty. Oh, it was beautiful, even rusty, but like a car. Yes, yeah, it was this beautiful European vintage car, um, that had been sitting on the side of somebody's farm and the retreat owner purchased it, put it up by the road and we gave it a whole makeover and painted the retreat name on it and everything, and so it's really fun to see people's creativity and it's really fun to see I've done pole dance studios in Berkeley, california. I've done, you know, I've traveled and created things here and then got and installed it back in Minnesota again for places and stuff. So it adds a whole other level of problem solving that I really enjoy.
Speaker 1:How to do something in another place, like this Uruguay mural. You know, we went to the small little town hardware store and they had only oil paint, which I don't normally use, and only five colors which I, you know, kind of mix all the stuff. Yes, we don't have that. You know, we're very blessed here with many colors at the Sherwin-Williams. So, um, yeah, it was good, a good challenge, and it really pushed me to keep growing and learning and I enjoy that. That's what life is all about is to keep not being stagnant, you know, and try something difficult.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, it sounds like you're so busy. I'm almost like scared to ask you this question, but not really. But like, because you're so busy, like, how do you unwind and what are, like, your hobbies? I know you're that you're like art, I live it and breathe it, right. But like, is there anything outside of art that you also enjoy? Maybe like reading a good book? Having some tea on the side, going on long walks on the beach, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Share with us. I will take that. If we had a beach here in Ashburn or Leesburg, I would totally take long walks on the beach. I do love that when I go to the beach, I still infuse it with creativity, because I love collecting shells. We go down to Cape Canaveral often and I paint little quotes in them with some ink and I put them.
Speaker 1:Kids and I'm going to be a grandma in two weeks for the first time, so I'm super excited to have babiness in my life and my kids are one of my hobbies and I'm an adventurer. I like exploring with friends and doing things. I love trivia every week with a team of people. It's a lot of fun with a team of people. It's a lot of fun, and I mean honestly. Sometimes downtime is painting either on a location, at a mural, it's. You know, I have headphones on, I'm listening to a podcast or songs and it's almost therapeutic. Just to you know, pull your lines and kind of get into that zone and leave the world behind. And I also am. I am learning a new style of painting more at home, like a colorful liquid acrylic style of painting that I do um paintings with at home, like a lot of florals and stuff like that. So just a whole yeah, sometimes that's my go-to.
Speaker 2:I love that, I love that you also like incorporate what you're already loving into, like your life outside of this and learning new techniques, and always just like staying up to date, just with yourself, because it's what you're already loving into, like your life outside of this and learning new techniques, and always just like staying up to date, just with yourself, because it's what you enjoy. Yeah, so, yeah, I think that's so great a new way, something different. Absolutely, and while I have you and our audience ears, um, is there anything maybe that I have not touched on that you would like to discuss and mention?
Speaker 1:on the podcast, I would just say parting thoughts Look around and don't be afraid to, even in your home or whatever surrounds your office. Don't be afraid to make it your own and don't be afraid to begin and just try something. You could pull up you know a floral coloring book page online and decide you wanted to line art it on your walls and just try. It's just paint Like you can paint over paint. There's nothing that you can't fix with paint. And I tell that to the my apprentices that I have painting with me who are nervous, you know, if something happens. Or I said, just paint like we can fix anything. And it's learning. So that goes for the people wherever you're at. That goes for if you want to learn something new.
Speaker 1:I've always wanted to watercolor. I have some friends say well, start watercoloring. It's like learning a language. You're not good, it's a muscle that you learn through practice. I don't have an art degree, right, but I have the 20 some years of experience of time put into it that have has put me where I am as an expert. Um, so it's just, it's just starting. It's just beginning and I think honestly I say sometimes anybody could be a muralist.
Speaker 1:It's just knowing the tools, it's having the bravery to face a big wall and to go big, and it's the bravery bravery of beginning. I still, I've been doing this for so long and I still get nervous facing a new wall. Um, it's, it's normal to be apprehensive about things that you're not used to, um, but it's also growing to then push through that and be like I'm still going to do this, you know, and I'm going to, I'm going to, uh, see it through, and there's something rewarding about that alone. That's why I think those paint and sip classes are really popular, because it's not so much the outcome of your painting that you may or may not hang on your wall. It's that you did that and Tried it. You tried it, yeah.
Speaker 2:I love that. That's beautiful. Like I love the way you just put that down like that, like don't be afraid, it's just paint, we can fix it. That applies with anything in life, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's always a rewind and a redo. Exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for being on the podcast. You were just like a little ray of sunshine here on this cloudy day, so thank you so much.
Speaker 1:Of course, this was really fun.