The Alimond Show

Intuition is Your Sixth Sense: A Conversation with Energy Healer Claudia Osman

• Alimond Studio

Share episode

Claudia Osman never felt at home in traditional education. After feeling lost in college, a chance encounter with massage therapy opened the door to her true calling. Today, as a licensed massage therapist with nearly 25 years of experience and a certified energy practitioner for the past decade, Claudia helps clients resolve chronic conditions that conventional medicine often can't explain.

Growing up with strong intuitive abilities was confusing for Claudia – sensing others' emotions, insecurities, and energies without understanding why. When she discovered energy work, everything clicked: "It was like my life coming into focus." Through her practice, Bodywork by Claudia Osman, she now helps clients identify and release trapped emotions that manifest as physical ailments.

The cornerstone of Claudia's approach is the Body Code method, which recognizes that emotions sometimes become stuck in the body instead of being processed and released. These trapped emotions vibrate negative energy, creating imbalances that can cause everything from knee pain to digestive disorders. By connecting with a client's subconscious – whether they're an adult, child, or even an animal – Claudia identifies these energetic blocks and facilitates healing.

What sets Claudia's work apart is her ability to look beyond symptoms to find root causes. A chronic knee issue might actually stem from an imbalance in the kidneys or adrenal glands. Digestive problems could be linked to inherited anxiety patterns. By clearing these energetic barriers, the body can restore its natural balance. "The issue is still there when you just put pills on it," Claudia explains, emphasizing why energy work can succeed where medication sometimes fails.

Claudia also addresses the stigma surrounding alternative therapies, noting that these approaches have existed for thousands of years – far longer than Western medicine. As Einstein reportedly predicted, "the medicine of the future will be of the frequencies." For those dealing with chronic conditions, autoimmune disorders, or emotional challenges that haven't responded to traditional treatment, energy healing might offer a new path forward.

Ready to explore how energy work might help with your persistent health issues? Visit Claudia's practice in Herndon, Virginia, or reach out to learn about remote energy sessions that can be conducted from anywhere.

Speaker 1:

So my name is Claudia Osman. I'm a licensed massage therapist and certified energy practitioner and my business is Bodywork by Claudia Osman. I have a physical office in Herndon and I live in Reston and do energy work from my home Beautiful.

Speaker 2:

Can you take us to where it started, where you wanted to start getting into the industry that you currently are right now? Was that always in the cards for you? Did you maybe start off doing something else and then get into the healing, therapeutic side of everything?

Speaker 1:

So I did a little college and didn't. I felt lost, didn't resonate with me like traditional schooling, and I kind of just stopped going to college and was trying to figure it out. And a neighbor went to massage school. I moved to California and I thought, oh wow, like that's something I'd love to do, because I would always like walk on backs for friends or do hair like really touchy, you know, and really love like the connection with people, the environment like didn't really understand or have context. That like it was the energy that I was really drawn to. So I went to school for massage therapy in California and then I came back here and went to work in a practice in downtown and that was lovely but it was kind of like a factory and it was a really good experience. But then I met my husband and we bought a place in Reston and I opened my own practice here, not knowing anybody, and I left a really large clientele back in DC. So that was kind of scary but it was fun.

Speaker 1:

So it was challenging to get that started. I had a son and then I had a daughter and you know from that I've tried to network with doctors, chiropractors, pts, and that doesn't always work. They traditionally want you to work for them. And then I got led into studying energy work and that blew my mind because it was like, oh okay, this is the answer to what I've always felt and always knew. Like I grew up intuitive and so having context and an answer to everything I'm feeling and everything like I just know intuitively, like that just inserted all the answers into blanks. So I always loved touching and communicating and like being with people and then really got into loving being of service for people and my massage school really, uh, kind of beat it in our head Like this is a service position, it's an honor, it's spiritual. They were, um, very Eastern influence school so I learned all about that. So I learned all about that like acupuncture points, philosophies, chakras, meridians, aura, and I knew that's where I wanted to be. Yeah, that's incredible.

Speaker 2:

So growing up, I guess, did you feel like energies, like maybe something pulling you towards that.

Speaker 1:

Could you explain that a little bit? That's kind of cool. Well, I didn't understand at the time. Intuition is a sixth sense, right? It's just answers appear in your head and it's like instinct for animals. So it's another sense. Some people are born with it and then others. You can totally learn to build it like a muscle, but it was kind of strange, having been born with it, growing up with it, not having anyone to explain like this is what that is. So you know, imagine, in like grade school, middle and high school, you're absorbing a ton of energies from people You're completely aware of like that person's insecurity or like how they're feeling, but you don't really understand.

Speaker 2:

It's not you, yeah no, so it's not you, yeah, no.

Speaker 1:

So it's really strange even picking stuff up from animals or what's in the environment. So when I found out how to Harness it, harness it and or really to understand what it is, and then learn energy work to be able to facilitate it, yeah Right, move it. That's what I do, is move energy a few different ways for people or animals. So then that's really how I work, but it was kind of like my life coming into focus.

Speaker 2:

Wow, thank you for sharing that and for those who aren't familiar, can you explain the types of cases you handle and how they differ from one another?

Speaker 1:

So a lot I've been doing energy work for about 10 years, a massage for almost 25. Um, so a good example is like a client who has a chronic knee issue and, uh, all the scans check out the doctors can't find anything. And when I get into it with body code energy work, a lot of times it could be like an adrenal gland or the kidneys or your uterus is out of balance or anything can cause anything in this work. So I'm able to like tune into that person's subconscious and their subconscious tells me what's at the root cause of this chronic knee issue. So I just like offload the energy and then each session is like an onion layer and we remove what we can reset things and then let the dust settle and see where they're at like in a week, two weeks, and then come back and approach it again. So I'm just removing energies and facilitating their body to heal itself without these energies. So these energies can be inherited, they can be absorbed in utero, absorbed from other people or like baggage. So the work is body code energy work and it started with Dr Bradley Nelson who was a chiropractor, and he got like this download of information that normally we receive, an emotion, we process it and it goes away. But sometimes it gets stuck and when it gets stuck it vibrates negative energy so like another case is like IBS, that's a chronic issue for a lot of people.

Speaker 1:

Or Crohn's, you know, ulcerative colitis. The digestive system, like the stomach, is called the second brain right, or some people call the heart the second brain. But you know, anxiety, worry, nervousness, failure, low self-esteem, certain emotions resonate with certain organs. So a lot of people who have like chronic anxiety maybe they have that like inherited so they're already kind of prone to that and that's kind of the lens they see life through because they are raised in a household that maybe had more anxiety. That can result in like digestive issues. So we clear that up and then you know they're able to have like appropriate bowel movements. The system just functions appropriately.

Speaker 2:

No, that's incredible. And would you say that, I guess, like part of your teaching, would it also include, I guess, their diet, exercise and movement, along with like, being in tune, like with your mind.

Speaker 1:

All of that has to come together, right there's a protocol of postural alignment therapy I study, called EGOSCU, and I refer out for that. But basically it's the same thing If you're not posturally aligned, your organs and glands aren't aligned and then therefore the body's not going to function appropriately. So there are people that I refer to. If the symptoms don't, I can't fix everything obviously.

Speaker 1:

But there's a lot we can do. I have a client who broke her arm and had surgery. The next day she got shoved to the ground by a horse oh no and she was out of the cast uh and sling in two weeks.

Speaker 1:

That's fast, it's crazy fast. She got um 95 percent uh range of motion back so that I use body code and then pranic healing energy work different type. So, um, you know it, I work on a lot, a lot of different issues, like your pet, who maybe is phobic about walking at five to 8 PM or um he's on the living room floor but nowhere else, or, you know, it seems mopey, or like there's um they're spraying the grass a lot right now for mosquitoes and I've seen my dog like fall down and throw up from the chemicals yeah, the chemicals so we can release. Like the chemicals we can deal with pathogens. So it's just really like eliminating all these energies so the body can have a stronger immune system to fight it off or purge it out. Yeah, Whatever needs happening.

Speaker 2:

I love that. You do animals too. Can't forget about our little buddies. I love that. And then you specialize in areas like personal injury. And then I guess, how do I say this? Not personal injury, but it can also be emotional and physical. Have you dealt with anybody who has had, maybe, domestic abuse? How do you handle those situations?

Speaker 1:

So sometimes that can be tricky, especially if it goes back to childhood. But I've worked a lot with that and like sexual abuse, so a lot of times that can also encompass addictive-type behaviors. But when people are really willing to heal and do some work because I'm offloading, but they really need to do some homework right, like maybe a therapist or yoga or meditation, gratitude journaling is huge, getting up and exercising every day to get the endorphins going. Of course, diet, because specific foods can be very high vibrational, like vegetables, fruits. You are what you eat. So the more we attune ourselves to healthy lifestyle like, it starts paying off and it's really important, like the gratitude journaling, I believe, because that gets your frequency and your vibration higher. Meditation connects us to the divine and the universal source of intelligence, so that way people are more able to progress.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. And with food I feel like personally for me sometimes that can be so hard because we have so many convenient options out there, and even when you go to the grocery store, I feel like those options that are better for you. Go to the grocery store, I feel like those options that are better for you. They've kind of been not tainted but maybe filled with certain things that aren't as good for your body and like genetically modified or like chicken, like injected with a bunch of hormones or steroids so it can produce more chicken to put on the table, or what have you.

Speaker 2:

So how do you, I guess, look for the ideal type of food that you should be putting into your body?

Speaker 1:

So I I like to help people get their intuition functioning better and you know you can kind of, when you start practicing that like kind of feel a vibration of a food or something as well as like reading labels, right, the more we know. But but I've also had a lot of clients who can eat like a whole baguette in France and come back here and have gluten intolerance issues and a lot of times it's interesting that can be like a cause that's been popular in the news, right Like gluten soy be like because that's been popular in the news, right Like gluten soy dairy avoiding all that.

Speaker 1:

And there's good reason to avoid it with hormones and GMOs and all of this, but then that can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, right, and also, like that, can become a mental issue. But also our bodies can have intolerance when we've built up too much of, maybe a preservative and then it can shut us down, like I worked out a lifetime of headaches, like chronic headaches that were really bad, that got worse as I got older. And towards the end of getting out of those headaches certain foods would set it off and I was able to see it was like it wasn't even bad food. It was like tiramines which are in like garlic and onions.

Speaker 1:

That's crazy that it's not like bad food, no right, but I eat clean, but then you can get a little too loaded on that side. So it's just A balance. It's a balance but it's also letting go of our old ideas or negative patterning that that food bothered me in the past, but I've worked on it, so theoretically I should be okay with it now. So letting go of that mindset that I can't do this, I can't do that, even though it was a truth in the past, does that make sense?

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes, no, that does make sense. And you say you help people with like, I guess with their intuitions. How do you, how do you do that Like cause? If you're not getting your intuition, how do you get people to get in there and get in tune with it?

Speaker 1:

So the people who are interested, that's a big part of it Right and believe in it. I can clear up there. Um, like you have two chakras for the brow chakra it's the Ajahn forehead, so that's a will center and a connection like wisdom, pure wisdom, just knowing. So we can clear that up. They might've been ridiculed. There's negative patterning associated with that from the past. You know, I once said I didn't want to learn from books and got stink eye from it and like bad stink eye, and that was kind of prophetic when I was really little. Like you know, had there been like an alternative school for intuitive kids, I probably would have shot in that direction rather than traditional college. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

And then you mentioned working with both children and animals. How does energy work translate across such different clients?

Speaker 1:

So I didn't mention this, but when I work, I would connect with your subconscious. My subconscious connects to your subconscious. I believe that our subconscious has a record of everything we've ever been exposed to. It's got a record of our lives, as well as what we've inherited or absorbed. So that's what I'm using to talk to your subconscious. Mine shuts down, basically, and I act as proxy for yours. So your subconscious, your angels, your higher power, show up and, along with your subconscious, give me the answers on what's at the root cause of this and what do we need to release to get rid of this. And then, how do we put the building box back in place for a balance to happen?

Speaker 2:

And how do you? I guess my question is how do you? How are you able to connect with like children and animals Like you? We've got like sometimes maybe children don't quite understand and obviously with animals you can't talk to them, so how are you finding ways? I'm just so curious about that.

Speaker 1:

So you can talk to animals and it's you could talk to a fetus, whoa. So any being has a subconscious. I don't know about bugs, I mean I, you know what I mean or plants like you. When you get used to feeling energy, you can kind of scan a plant or like a bug. But in terms of children, their subconscious is like it's ageless, kind of All right, so it just comes with the subconscious. So even someone in a coma, you could connect with their subconscious, unless they're like on their way out, and then you still can to help them cross over. But so children know what's going on subconsciously, but that's different than conscious, because the conscious brain is like what, what you is talking to in, like therapy, the subconscious is different, so they don't communicate.

Speaker 2:

So that's, you're blowing my mind, right?

Speaker 1:

now I work on the subconscious and then conscious brain. That's where I would like, maybe with a child, work on them if they have like dyslexia and then they're starting to grow a stigma, thinking they're stupid, right or dumb. I know same, same, I had that A lot of teachers didn't help and propagated that right. It's pretty ugly sometimes for kids and everybody's brain works differently, right, and we don't know they could have had traumatic birth. They could have had like issues going on prenatally so there can be like disconnections in the brain. So it's so wonderful for kids when you see kids like they rise of ADD and the spectrum disorders and this and that, like a lot of that, I will say, is like toxicity related, sometimes like viruses or pathogen plastics.

Speaker 1:

But you talk to the subconscious, so it's the same as talking to, like my dog, same thing. They have this knowing being even as a puppy or a kitten, of what's going on. And with animals a lot of times being taken out of litter is difficult and there's those issues. They can have the same emotional resentments and longing and abandonment, betrayal, rejection, all of that from being taken out of the litter. So you just get rid of that and then they're happier, more balanced animal because their emotional register is basically similar to ours.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I know, and sometimes I feel like we forget that we're just like oh, it's a cat, it's a dog, it's fine. But no, they also have feelings too and they hurt.

Speaker 1:

And going to the vet is traumatic. Getting groomed is traumatic. Being left alone for more than like three, four, five hours is horrible.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, my babies.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so, but especially, I love working with children because they are you know, they're just born good and don't need to have discouragements hit them at young age for schooling, when all of our brains are so different and we're not meant to squeeze into that traditional box box. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, you know, traumatic and that's a common word used. Yeah, and I don't mean to make light of it, but it really can set you up to think you're dumb yeah, no, I I have to agree, and it also is with people that are around you.

Speaker 2:

Like I know, my one of my parents wasn't as supportive and they would say a lot of negative stuff, which led me to being embarrassed to ask questions, especially in math, because they would say like really mean things. So therefore I was like I'm never asking questions at school, so I just live with that idea. So I'm glad that you are able to help children and help them like be able to talk about it, be able to process it in a way that maybe isn't traditional, but they're able to somehow get past those issues because of the methods that you're able to to reach.

Speaker 1:

They deserve to grow up like knowing that they're worthy of being um, knowing that they're worthy of being taught for their specific situation right, and they need to be worthy of having a voice and having joy in their heart and having their creativity expressed. Because I struggled with math too and I feel like most school is better but it's more aligned for STEM or very traditional right. And what if you have a teacher that just doesn't agree with that and they're just going to push you through the system and you think, okay, well, I'm not good in this stuff and I thought I was dumb for a large part of my life because of these math science, but my brain is like completely plugged into the other side and you know the what I can do, the left brain people can't do Exactly, yeah, and both have value.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, I agree. It's just finding out how to make that person fit into where they need to be in the other person and what works for them. Cause again not all people are the same. The brain is not one size fits all, you know, so we got to cater to that. I want to ask you about marketing and what you've been doing, I guess, to get the word out there, about the type of services that you do and that you provide. Are you an avid social media user? Are you going to networking events?

Speaker 1:

So I'm trying to be better about, uh, social media. I don't really like technology and um, so I'm learning that. And I had a phenomenal web designer who, um, got all my stuff updated, excuse me. And so she's teaching me about social media. Nice, uh-huh, um, it's still a little like you'll get there. Everybody has a different journey, so don't worry, I guess yeah, um, I used to be in a business networking, group b and I are you familiar?

Speaker 1:

yes, I am yes so, um, that was really beneficial in a lot of regards, but quite often most groups don't have health and wellness, so I was the only one, and that is, you know, your realtors. It's a struggle for them to be like you need a massage and you're buying a house, yeah.

Speaker 1:

It's kind of apples and oranges. I found inappropriate and I don't know. I find sometimes people don't like to refer to each other in the health and wellness field, which I find odd because I have a handful of people that I really value and think are really smart and will refer to. I've had a few clients that I refer for the Seagas Q method, and it's a little far away but you can do it over Zoom. And it's a little far away but you can do it over zoom, but it's phenomenal. It retrains your body in ways that I can't do. A physical um trainer can't do. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:

like it's, it's uh, it's really different and most people have never heard of it, um, but it's really effective, yeah, beneficial, and it's good that they have that option too, because a lot of people maybe don't know about it and maybe you've referred it to them and it's changed their lives, whereas they never would have known about it. So I think that's cool.

Speaker 1:

Most people have not heard about it, but I find that a lot of practitioners are not too forthcoming with referring. I don't know why, but I like to refer.

Speaker 2:

Maybe it's a stigma or something I don't know.

Speaker 1:

I like to learn too. I love learning, you know, and I love to share the wealth Like why not?

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and I'm glad that you do have people that you trust and know that you refer out to, and that's awesome. I love that you're giving back in that way, and then you've studied various modalities over the years. How do you decide which techniques to incorporate into your practice or for your clients?

Speaker 1:

So it just depends on what's going on with them. Um, I refer to energy work a lot If it's like GERD or uh, endometriosis, like, um, the you know the bone breaks, um, even like uh, like with athletes improving their performance. So a lot of that is going to be energy work. But then I'm certainly going to look at, like, what's your physical training regimen? Um, who is your trainer? Maybe Egoscue is appropriate for this, maybe some of the exercises with Egoscue that I've learned maybe that's all they need and like muscle testing, which I didn't really go over, Go over it yeah, okay.

Speaker 1:

So that's kind of the intuitive difference between yes or no, true or false. So if anyone that was familiar with it usually a chiropractor will do it. So they'll like muscle test the arm, like so my name is Claudia and that'll hold strong, my name's Fred and it'll go. That's false, right. So it's, um, it recognizes the slightest shift between true or false, yes or no. So a lot of times they will use that for like supplements or to see like what vertebrae is out of balance or is it your femur or something like that, right?

Speaker 1:

So using the uh, muscle testing, like with an athlete, you can figure out if your form is inappropriate and that's why you're not hitting the ball as well as you used to. Maybe your swing is off, and so using muscle testing with energy work, I would figure out what muscle it is. But then maybe they need to get more posturally aligned, especially with a pitcher, pitcher, that's so one-sided, super one-sided, right. Like, look at Tiger Woods had all those back surgeries because his strike is so hard, and it's all the same side, same side, same side, right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, stress on it.

Speaker 1:

Out of a lifetime of doing that, our bodies get out of balance. And even if we're not athletes doing that, our bodies get out of balance. Sitting all day or having a you know, the dog's always on the right side of the leash or your body, whatever like we slide out of alignment over time and then it just becomes muscle memory, yeah, and so that can then start creating issues to where we can't hit the ball as far as we used to or whatever. So I kind of just assess people on all the information they give me, what I pick up from them, and kind of go over it with them. And this is what I feel like we need to start looking at and then, after a few sessions, kind of reassess everything and see, see what's going on.

Speaker 2:

How do you integrate tools like Brain Gym and Touch for Health into your sessions, and what benefits have you observed?

Speaker 1:

So I don't do the Touch for Health kinesiology anymore. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:

My bad.

Speaker 1:

It's okay. The energy work replaced it. I studied that like 20 years ago and I like effective and efficiency and the body code is super effective and efficient. Touch for Health kinesiology was kind of involved and this is way more effective and efficient. I'm going to trust you on that and like this is way more effective and efficient.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to trust you on that. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1:

So Brain Gym is super cool though, and I do refer certain clients for their young children to do it, and it's these funny little exercises that connect the hemispheres of the brain, or they're silly little exercises for kids to do, so they're willing to do it. Yeah, little exercises for kids to do, so they're willing to do it. But it can help with like dyslexia, stuttering, speech patterns, reading Like reading can be difficult. Maybe our brain's not ready to read when they're teaching us reading in kindergarten or first grade. Maybe math, right Like fractions, won't be a mystery when you're 40.

Speaker 1:

Where was this when I needed it? I know. So, um, I studied a lot of brain gem. My son actually is um, he had a little difficulty with reading when, when he began in first grade and I was, uh, I learned about brain gem because he had an occupational therapist that would pull him out of school for 30 minutes a day a few times a week. In Arlington they had a reading recovery program so they were super progressive and would do brain gym with him. So I learned all about that and he and I would do that and it just took a little bit of time and he was off and running and you know, he's been a life reader since then and he's in his 20s.

Speaker 1:

But that's the power of like early intervention, especially before it sets in, and we start thinking like we're dumb or I can't read that book, like that many pages.

Speaker 1:

I've recently heard from adults and this surprised me that like they don't like to read books because there's so many words on the page, like their mind can't follow to read books because there's there's so many words on the page, like their mind can't follow all of that, and flip the page and read and then like holy smokes, there's like 300 more pages. Yeah, whereas I that's not my struggle, math is my struggle or certain other things, but reading is not. So it was like, oh wow, that's really interesting. What can I? How can I pick that apart? Right, like, everything is like this puzzle, like super interesting puzzle to figure out, to get people like off and running confident, get rid of those old belief systems, especially when they come. They're reinforced at home or in school every day and then you get, like you said, the shame at home, or you don't want to raise your hand because everyone else seems to get it, even though probably none of them are getting it. They're good at pretending right.

Speaker 1:

And you don't want to raise your hand. No, right, but that's it's important, like really drastically important, that we all know like it's okay to not know. Yes, right, like a smart person doesn't know everything.

Speaker 2:

Correct.

Speaker 1:

Is curious and wants to learn and find out. Yes, Like being shamed about things is like so low vibrational. I have to agree with that. So unnecessary right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, and I feel like it's so much easier to be mean than it is kinder sometimes, right? Isn't that crazy? Yes, when you think about it, it's like, for some reason, being cruel is just so much easier than being kind. It's crazy, it's so insane, just that concept. But I'm glad that you have this work and we're talking about it so we can give more feedback on that and just bring awareness. So I love that. Is there anything I have not touched on that perhaps you would like to share with your audience, my audience? Get out there, talk about maybe anything you'd like to debunk or anything about your industry or more things that maybe we don't know and that you would like to just bring to light.

Speaker 1:

So I think I would like more people to understand. You know, I hear the term woo-woo a lot.

Speaker 1:

And that just grates on my nerves because it pretty much, you know it delegitimizes the work, utilizes the work. So alternative therapy has been around for thousands of years, way, way longer than traditional Western medicine, and both are very important. So a lot of the clients I see have been to the doctor. They don't have any answers, they still have symptoms and that's the people I like to see. Autoimmune disorders not healing appropriately, not losing weight, not sleeping why put pills on that? The issue is still there, correct, right.

Speaker 1:

So I like people to understand this is something they've never heard of, but it doesn't mean it's illegitimate. It's something you've not heard of. Like acupuncture was like that years ago. Chiropractic has a big stigma about it, but they're called doctors and less so, right. You know people also like the Groupon phenomenon came about and they're like people want like discounts and this and that, and it's like you would never talk to like your attorney or your doctor for discounts.

Speaker 1:

Like I study, I go to continuing education because it's my passion to be able to be of service more to people. Like my time is worth money and I don't charge a lot. So you know value that, um, and you know people just don't seem to. I think people just aren't also very aware or very distracted at this point in society. And you know, there's an inundation of medication, like pharmaceutical advertising, and people don't seem to understand the systemic effect medications can have on the body, even though they're doing us good, but they have a systemic effect like on all of our organs. It's really important to understand that. Like, uh, my husband sent me a article that allergy medicine is being linked now to Alzheimer's potentially.

Speaker 2:

That already runs in my family and I take that like candy. Yeah, Wonderful.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I don't know if it's true. You know, science finds all these links, which is brilliant, and a lot of science and a lot of medicine is brilliant. But there's also room for alternative therapy. And even Einstein said the medicine of the future will be of the frequencies. So if we're not looking at the body as a whole and the aura, the condition of all of our systems, then that's a big elephant to be ignoring, especially when we're busier.

Speaker 1:

When we're more busier, we're not eating well, we're not sleeping, we're on the phone, we're on our devices we're on the go, there's traffic, there's EMFs which are really unsettling to the body, everywhere you know, especially out like this well, more towards Ashburn. But all the servers, all of that, like our systems, aren't um used to that, so it can be um have a negative effect, but also, like energetically, I look to like how can we make it so that this is not so impactful? Our bodies should adapt to it right Evolutionarily. We can get more in line with it being okay and not so disabling.

Speaker 2:

I agree and I think too, just the stigma just like with movies, or even the way that it can be portrayed in shows, it just lets people have this preconceived notion of, oh, it's that. But they've never tried it. And maybe if they, as opposed to judging it, maybe try it and develop your own opinion of what you think of it. Maybe it worked for you, maybe it didn't, but that's the same thing with medicine. Some medicine will work for people.

Speaker 1:

Some medicine won't.

Speaker 2:

There's other methods and you don't have to shut them down or ridicule them, but just be open and see and maybe it might work for you. It might surprise you that maybe something did work, but the key is don't judge it or woo-woo it, or however you want to call it, and take it seriously, and it may not align with what you say or do, but just don't be so judgmental about it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it would be nice if more people were open and curious. You know, and also, if you know doctors knew about it. I don't get to meet a lot of doctors but occasionally, once in a blue moon, some are super open. You know they're into meditation, chanting, whatever. So that's really enlightening to hear because I like why wouldn't you want a whole bunch of people who are educated, working on an issue to get to the root cause, to where maybe you don't have to take a medication for the rest of your life. Maybe you do need to take it, I don't know.

Speaker 1:

But if, if, maybe you don't, it's kind of a band-aid. You know why is the blood pressure so high, especially with two medications for people? Oh, maybe you went to iraq for two tours, you know, I've seen people like that and that's a lot of trauma and horror a lot. So there can be a multitude of reasons for people having certain psychological issues. But again, when our body is resonating on a higher frequency through energy, work and meditation and yoga and being in nature and cutting out a lot of unhealthy stuff in life, like, your body responds, like its natural rhythm wants to be at a set, uh, higher frequency.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely.

Speaker 1:

We just need to know, and I think not. You know, some areas of the country and the world are a lot more progressive in this regard. It was kind of shocking when I moved here from California and where I worked downtown, people would call and they were not looking for a therapeutic massage men, right, and they're looking for non-therapeutic massage. And I was kind of shocked, like what? Like this is apples and oranges, right. But I came to realize there's a lot of supply and a lot of demand, yeah, and maybe there should be a red light district with no shame and guilt and all that.

Speaker 1:

Like people want that, that people want to supply it. Fine, but this is different. So, but also like California, like there's all kinds of cool stuff going on out there, not so much here.

Speaker 2:

I know and I know I've talked to people and they have certain feelings about California. It's just there's always opinions, but anyway I'm open to it. I was actually born in California but I left when I was three months, so I don't remember, but I always want to go back. Overall, it's just shifting mindsets for people and just be curious and don't judge people. So thank you for touching on that and I really appreciate you coming on here sharing your story, your experiences, and talking to me about your methods and techniques that you use, that you're able to help people with chronic pain, depression, joint pain, all of that.

Speaker 1:

So I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity. Yeah, absolutely.