Speaker 1: 0:30

I'm Jennifer Seven. I'm the owner of Seven Company Weight Loss and Wellness, and I am also a holistic nutritionist, a meditation teacher and a certified sound healer, as well as a business owner, and I primarily serve women, and women really that are in their 40s and above. It's really the area of age that I like to work with women.

Speaker 2: 0:59

Absolutely Well, take me back. What initially drew you to this world and kind of sparked all of this?

Speaker 1: 1:05

I was thinking a lot about that as I was on my way here and I was reflecting back on my own childhood and I grew up in a home where there was a lot of negative body image conversations. My father was very obsessed with my mother's weight and she was not a heavy person, mind you, she was just normal, like so many of us but he would have her weigh in every day and he was very controlling about what she ate. And when you grow up in that you kind of think it's normal, but you don't. So my sister and I, we both grew up seeing that and also being very insecure about our own weight. And not that either one of us needed to lose any weight. It was just always like oh gosh, am I going to be shamed? Am I going to be that one that it gets pointed out? And so I grew up feeling very insecure about my body and fast forward.

Speaker 1: 2:05

When I actually started to get into this health and wellness world, I was like I really want to help women that struggle like I do, although they may have a lot more weight to lose than I ever did, but I get it. I get the sense of shame, the sense of failure that can go along with having too much weight on you, and I really wanted to approach it with compassion. But I also wanted to give women strategy. Whenever we think about weight loss, we always think, oh, that's going to be miserable, we're going to. Oh, here we go, can't eat anything, can't do anything, I'm just going to hate life for a while in order to achieve what I want to achieve.

Speaker 1: 2:43

And it really doesn't have to be like that. So I like to customize what I do work with women individually. Is it what you're eating? Is it hormones? Is it stress? Is it that you're eating? Is it hormones? Is it stress? Is it that you're not sleeping? What's really going on? And then let's develop a strategy, and there's a lot of simple things that we can do that don't have to be so miserable to get us headed in the right direction.

Speaker 2: 3:07

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that kind of personalized strategic approach really reminds me. It reminds me of kind of what Anna Cloud does as well, but more with like fitness and coaching and things like that. But I love that, because almost every woman out there, unfortunately, can relate to kind of growing up. Hopefully they don't relate, but most women that I know can relate to growing up with a negative body image, just kind of with similar voices in their head and like examples of kind of what you said in your story, whether it be like family members or they were in dance or something like that or just their peers in the media.

Speaker 2: 3:46

There's so much pressure, so much pressure so much pressure and so many like different fad diets and you do hate life when you're trying to lose weight or trying to, you know, and it's just so tough because we're, you know, shamed if we gain weight and shamed if we lose weight. So I love that you really meet people where they're at and kind of really personalized approaches for them, depending on hormones and things like that that are so important as well.

Speaker 1: 4:13

Yeah, and I tell my clients when they walk in the door because so many women, they bring with them the shame and the sense of failure. They've tried every diet, they've lost the weight, they've gained it back. They've lost it, they gained it back. And by the time they come in the door they're kind of like I don't even want to. I'm here but I don't really want to talk to you and I'm not sure what I want to do and I'm not sure I want to tell anybody if I do do it, because what if I fail again?

Speaker 1: 4:38

And so I really try to start out with like there is no shame here, there is no judgment, there is no failure. It's just if we do have setbacks, we just get up and go again and I try to take that out of it, because there is so much of that. And just look at the pressures from society in general. It's so focused on how we look as women and it also drives me crazy, because when you look at beautiful women in movies and on TV, they're tiny. I mean, I'm looking at them going, oh, that's not even healthy, but that's what we're conditioned to look at. And if we don't look like that ourselves, then we must not be good enough or pretty enough or thin enough, yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:22

And women need a safe space to be able to come to and be able to express these pressures and kind of I don't know. They need a safe space to not feel that pressure. If you have to cut this out or do this, they need to just, and maybe that safe space is with you because you're understanding and you've been through this and you have seen this in your own life and in clients before. So I think it's so special that you offer that welcoming, judgment-free, safe space.

Speaker 1: 5:52

Yeah, thank you. Well, and there's so much focus on deprivation. When you're dieting, it's oh, I can't have that, I can't have that, I can't have that. And I think that sets you up for a slingshot effect. So it's like you can only take deprivation for so long and then you're going to snap and then it's like I'm going to eat that, and then you beat yourself up because like, oh, I shouldn't have done that, I did it, and now what?

Speaker 1: 6:15

Or I always laugh because it's like, as we head into the weekends, that seems to be the most challenging time for people. It's like Friday comes and maybe you fall off, and then, instead of so what I like to coach on is just, okay, let's pick ourselves back up. As I mentioned before, you don't have to give up everything for the weekend. Okay, let's pick ourselves back up. As I mentioned before, you don't have to give up everything for the weekend. Instead, we'd be like, well, then I'll just start again on Monday. It's like, no, you can do a lot of going backwards between Friday and Monday.

Speaker 1: 6:44

Or, when we get into the holidays, like it always starts, I always laugh because it starts with October, halloween, and so I'll have clients working, working, working. We get to Halloween and then things just start to fall apart because it is the most edible time of year, it's the most sugariest time, and so people will. It starts with Halloween, and then we have Thanksgiving, and then we have the December holidays, which start with cookie parties, and then there's parties, and then, before you know it, it's been it's three months of falling apart. So I really try to help people navigate through that. And maybe it's not about losing weight during that season. It's about maintaining where you got and let's just try not to gain, because that's when most people gain their weight. I think studies show it's something like 10 pounds during the holidays and it's like, okay, do we want to be 10 pounds heavier, 10 pounds lighter, or just maintain?

Speaker 2: 7:39

People forget, just maintain.

Speaker 1: 7:41

It's okay. Maintaining is perfectly fine.

Speaker 2: 7:44

Yeah, and you don't always have to be losing weight either, and I think that a lot of society teaches us like if you're not on a weight loss journey right now like pursuing losing weight, losing more and more weight, no matter how small you are then you're not doing the right thing, and that's like some people you know are already very small.

Speaker 1: 8:02

You don't even keep going. It's like you got to know when to stop Absolutely and that's why they need you.

Speaker 2: 8:08

You've coached thousands of people in wellness over the last 20 years. What core values would you say have guided your journey as both a business owner and a coach?

Speaker 1: 8:18

I would like to think a core value for me is is my integrity, and I'm both as a business owner and as a coach.

Speaker 1: 8:28

It's really important to me, to be honest, to coach with compassion, and there's just so many scams out there and weight loss diets that are crazy and I never wanted to be that person.

Speaker 1: 8:43

And money of course, we all need money and we need to be able to pay the bills, but it was more important to me to help someone be successful and provide them with the correct tools and the correct path than it was to just make money. So to lead with that integrity, with that compassion, and to know too, if I can't serve someone, I'm not going to force them to follow what I think they should follow if it's just not the right thing for me for them, so that I'm they should follow if it's just not the right thing for me for them. So I'm very much about let's find out what's right for you and take you on that journey, and if I can't serve you, maybe you need more medical or maybe you need a fitness trainer or a blend of all. And also to know that I'm providing the best if we're using products, the best products that I can find and that everything is science-based. I just I'm so not into fad stuff at all.

Speaker 2: 9:38

Because none of the fad stuff is sustainable either.

Speaker 1: 9:40

It's not.

Speaker 2: 9:41

And then your clientele won't trust you as much. Because if you're like giving them this fad thing to try and then years later they're working with you and they're like you gave me that. Like, that makes me a little, I wouldn't go over to it.

Speaker 1: 9:53

Yes, yes, and right now the big thing is the weight loss injections. Oh yeah. That's your hot take, oh, my hot take. Well, first I was like no bad.

Speaker 1: 10:03

No, no, yeah, me too. No-transcript program is first off, is it right for you? You need to see a medical doctor to get cleared for this. And there it's the wild, wild west out there right now. I mean you can find this stuff anywhere, but are you getting it from a credible source? Are you getting it from a good lab or a good pharmacy, hopefully a US pharmacy? I've heard people buying this stuff from China, mexico. I'm like oh dear. And, most importantly, are you getting good coaching? Because you can take a shot, you can stop eating and maybe, if you're heavy and you're, for the first time in your life, you don't feel hungry, because it does turn off your hunger cravings. They call it food noise.

Speaker 2: 11:21

Yes, I was just going to say there's been so many it calms it down.

Speaker 1: 11:25

It's crazy, actually, how it does that. And if you stop eating or you don't eat enough, or you keep eating the wrong things, but in lesser amounts because you're not as hungry, you're going to end up losing muscle mass rather than body fat. And so, with my clients, we monitor biometrics every week. What's happening with your muscle, what's happening with your hydration, what's happening with your body fat? What's happening with your muscle, what's happening with your hydration, what's happening with your body fat, what's happening with your visceral fat? We just it's check marks and we look at all of that because I don't want my clients losing muscle. If you lose muscle, you're much more likely to gain it all back and if you're not eating right. So we set up macros and I get people I don't even know what a macro is. Well, it's okay.

Speaker 1: 12:08

Help you and develop meal plans, and I have an amazing app which really helps people. Tracking is so important when you're on any program. I think Knowing what you're eating, whatever it is you're eating, we need to know, and it's really hard to remember. I always say can you remember what you ate on Monday? No, so we need to write it down. A lot of people really resist that and I'm like, but it's just good habits, it's data.

Speaker 1: 12:33

It's data.

Speaker 2: 12:34

Exactly as a science experiment.

Speaker 1: 12:37

Yes, yes, Because I get clients like well, I wasn't that bad. This week I'm like what did you eat? I don't really remember. So how do you know and I hate that word bad too so many clients like I was good, I was bad, I was good. I'm like no about why. And then this week we're going to figure out a way to do it differently.

Speaker 1: 13:15

And I'm not a therapist so I can't do therapy, but there is a huge emotional component to trying to lose weight or eat healthy. So anyway, back to the GLP-1s for one last second. I just think, done responsibly, they can be a very powerful tool. But coaching is important, knowing what to eat is important, knowing how to mitigate side effects is important, and having a medical doctor on board so that, if the nausea can be a side effect, maybe you need some anti-nausea meds just to help you get through that as your body adjusts. So all of that, I think, is super important, and I've heard horror stories of what can happen if people aren't being monitored that they do lose the muscle, that they can lose their hair, that they. It's not good. So, yes, I think there's a place for them responsibly, and I don't think you have to be obese or hugely overweight to utilize them.

Speaker 1: 14:07

I think they can be for people that have that 10 to 15 pounds that just won't budge. And maybe that's from hormones, because that's a whole other topic. It's like the menopause, the premenopause. I'm actually working on my menopause coaching certification right now, so I'm very excited about that. I think that's a highly underserved population. So often the doctor's just like oh, it's all in your head and what doctors like to tell you and I'm sorry, doctors out there, but just eat less and exercise more, that's the recipe. And it's not necessarily it could be the hormones, it could be the composition of what we're eating. So we need to look at what we're eating and then adjust that accordingly.

Speaker 1: 14:51

So there's so much more to it. There's a lot, there's a lot there, oh for sure.

Speaker 2: 14:56

And I love that you brought up food noise, because I've listened to podcasts and done research, because I'm just fascinated by this world. I love what you do and I've heard about people that maybe aren't in that obese population but they've just always struggled with food noise and maybe they have an extra you know, 10, 15 pounds and they have like skyrocketed in their careers once that food noise is eliminated, because that brain space has freed up as well.

Speaker 1: 15:22

Oh, I hadn't even thought about that.

Speaker 2: 15:24

Yeah, I've heard some stories.

Speaker 1: 15:25

I think it was a podcast with.

Speaker 2: 15:27

I think the host was named Jordan Syatt and he's like a fitness coach, but I think he has someone on his team doing nutrition as well and doing like similar things with GOP ones. But yeah, I found that so illuminating. I was like wow, I mean that is fascinating.

Speaker 1: 15:43

I'm really glad you shared that, because I hadn't even thought of the fact that noise is taking up so much space, which is taking you away from other things you could be thinking about.

Speaker 2: 15:54

Yeah, super cool Change your productivity probably. Yeah, for sure. What does having an unbreakable spirit mean to you, and how do you see that quality show up in the women you work with?

Speaker 1: 16:05

Yeah, wow, that. So having written a chapter in the book Unbreakable Spirit and reading the other women's stories touched me so much. So to me, an unbreakable spirit is it's just someone that doesn't give up and no matter how beaten down they get, they pick themselves back up and they keep going. And there are there's a lot of things that can happen in this world that are very painful and we can all go through, but if you just keep going, that you can get to the other side. And in the book Unbreakable Spirit that I had my chapter in, it was all stories of women who'd gone through some really incredible, incredibly difficult things, but then they got to the other side and then they're able to thrive. So, yeah, that's to me an unbreakable spirit. You, just, you, just you don't give up, you keep going.

Speaker 2: 17:05

Yeah, and that resilience is so, so important. I mean, if someone asked me what one of the biggest, most important qualities that I've, you know, strengthened in my life since I was a kid, that has, like, made me the most successful, I would say my resilience.

Speaker 1: 17:20

Your resilience.

Speaker 2: 17:21

It's so important throughout so many aspects of life.

Speaker 1: 17:24

Yes, I love that word resilience. And we all had to go through it with COVID because the world changed and I know for me it was like oh wow, I have a brick and mortar and now I don't. So I closed mine and I went virtual Learning to pivot, learning to shift, pick myself up, keep going, even though the world kept shifting. And from being in the weight loss space, even the GLP-1s another huge pivot, because I was always coaching on nutrition and self-care and good practices and then all of a sudden everybody wanted the shots and it's like what Wait, where did everybody go? And coming back around and then developing a new program where I could also offer the GLP-1s or the nutrition or a combination. Again, strategy whatever strategy was right for that person. So, yes, I love that word resilience. Yes, unbreakable spirits are very resilient.

Speaker 2: 18:27

I wanted to touch on your leadership and team culture. What kind of culture have you built at Seven Company and how does it support your client success?

Speaker 1: 18:35

I am a hands-off person, I don't like to micromanage, so for me, it was always about empowering my coaches to lead with their coaching and to work fairly, independently, to know that they know what is in the best interest of the clients that they're coaching, of the clients that they're coaching. So giving a lot of autonomy and yet giving them the training. Also the philosophy of what we were really about, which is being in touch with the individual, what the individual needs, and the listening and knowing that one size doesn't fit all in terms of a weight loss program. So I always felt that that was super important and, again, just to lead with integrity, that we're always going to do what's right for that person and I like to do what's right for my coaches too. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:31

I love that, and leading with integrity is so important. I think a lot of people, a lot of business owners, can I don't know stray from that a little bit in the building of everything up, you know, and in their journeys, but I think coming back to that will always be so important. Yes, what I wanted to ask you about sound healing. Okay, what roles, or what role do tools like sound healing play in helping your clients achieve lasting results?

Speaker 1: 20:01

Yes, so sound healing is something that is fairly new for me to be offering and I've participated in sound healings for years on my own personal journey and it's just kind of funny because my kids were saying my grown kids. They were like what do you want for Christmas, mom? And I'm like I want a crystal bowl. And they're like what? They're like okay, whatever.

Speaker 2: 20:25

I've got you yes.

Speaker 1: 20:27

You just pick it out, mom, tell us what you want, and so I could play for myself. And then I started collecting more and I was like, oh, I love this so much so I felt I'm going to dive in. And then I was like, ah, I think this is a missing piece for my clients. So I guess it was just before COVID is when I got the meditation certification and I went to get that for myself, but also because I felt that was a missing piece for clients as well, that they need to calm down, calm their thoughts down, go a little bit more inside. But the sound healing helps as well with that. But it gives you this beautiful sound that does a lot of the work for you.

Speaker 1: 21:08

So when you're meditating, what I hear so often is I can't be quiet, I can't silence my thoughts. I'm just like pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa and I'm like it's okay, you don't have to calm your thoughts down, you're just going to, and I'm like it's okay, you don't have to calm your thoughts down, you're just going to, we're going to meditate, and then you're going to get little, I call it. You fall into the gap between thoughts and that's the silence and that's where we get our magic. But it's hard when you can't sit still and you're twitchy. So the sound healing set, I do it with the crystal bowls. Each bowl has a frequency and it's actually a note, like a piano note, except it's a crystal bowl note. So there's a bowl for the C note and the A note and the D note and each one can line up with your chakras or energy centers in your body and so when you're playing the one bowl it's resonating with that chakra. So the frequency, the sound frequency, actually is working on you at a cellular level and you don't even realize it. So it's not all woo-woo which a lot of people think. Oh, that's a little woo-woo stuff, but it's sound frequencies. It's actually a frequency that cuts through and it can calm your body down. It calms down that parasympathetic part of your body. It can get you into a theta state or an alpha state.

Speaker 1: 22:25

I've had people fall asleep listening to the bowls and they wake up and they're so refreshed or they're just, they're kind of gone. They're like I went somewhere, so bringing our stress down. To me that's what it's about. We've got to get the stress down. We can't lose weight. It's very difficult to lose weight if we're highly stressed. Our body's producing cortisol. The body wants to hold everything because we don't know if we have to fight or run or freeze, and so whatever we can do in this crazy world to calm down, that's where the bowls came in, and so now I can offer that.

Speaker 1: 22:59

I felt like it was a little bit of a missing piece, but I want to include that into the strategy, as if you're a highly stressed person, let's get you to a sound healing. Every so often I'm doing them for groups, but I can also do them privately for people and I do a little meditation with it. I do some breath work with it. So we're just trying to work with that aspect of self that's highly stressed usually and calm it down. And also, if we can start meditating, our body knows what's best for it, but we get so busy in our conscious minds thinking about everything else that we're not listening. So if we can start meditating and calming down, we will start doing for our body what it really wants, but that we're kind of can't hear it because we're so caught up in chatter and food, noise and all this other stuff.

Speaker 2: 23:53

Yeah, I was so excited to talk to you about the sound healing because I hate when people say I was so excited to talk to you about the sound healing because I hate when people say, oh, it's too woo-woo, like I as a musician and as someone who really like I feel music and I feel sound.

Speaker 2: 24:07

On that level I've always felt so like connected and been able to feel music in my body, like I get goosebumps with certain songs, things like that Sound healing, like does the same thing, like I think in college I took a music therapy class in college and we had someone come in and do something with the bowls and I remember getting goosebumps and I remember literally being able to feel it in my stomach.

Speaker 1: 24:31

You can feel the vibration.

Speaker 2: 24:32

Yeah, and it's just, it's so, not woo-woo. I felt so much less anxious, so much more like grounded within myself after that and that wasn't even like a formal session, like what you offer, it was kind of just a little taste of it. So we understood but yeah, there's so much, there's so much in there and it's just, I could talk about it for hours yeah. Can you share a story of a client transformation that really captures why you're so passionate about this work?

Speaker 1: 25:01

There's so many stories, I think one that just pops into my head is a woman who had quite a bit of weight to lose. She was probably middle-aged and had an adult son and wanted to travel, and so she was like I want to lose weight so I can travel with my son. And she was very committed. She was wonderful to work with and I love clients when they just do what you tell them to do.

Speaker 2: 25:28

Easy clients.

Speaker 1: 25:29

Yeah, so those are the easy ones, but it's not easy. This isn't easy. But at least she took everything that we had to give her and she did what she needed to do and she lost the weight and she went on a trip and when she got back she said I was able to go on a zip line and that would never have been possible before because she weighed too much and they wouldn't have let her on it. And she was so thrilled and it was just like, oh, you know, some of the stories just make you want to cry. But for her to be able to travel and be comfortable on an airplane and then be able to get around because travel can be a lot of work just walking through Dulles Airport, it's like a two-mile walk, yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:12

But that zip line story always stuck with me because I was like, oh, wow, that was just wonderful To be able to live your best life, to be able to do what you want to do and not be held back because your body's not cooperating. And I've had grandmas who are like I can't get on the floor and play with my grandkids because I'm uncomfortable and my knees hurt, and so when that can happen, it's just. It just does your heart good. I love to see the changes in my clients.

Speaker 2: 26:47

And that's so beautiful with the woman who was able to zip line, because, after proving to herself that she could put in this work, when presented with this personalized approach, of course, that you offered, she was able to again, like, prove to herself that she could do it.

Speaker 2: 27:02

And then, with that like renewed sense of self and just feeling, you know, lighter in all ways lighter physically, but lighter mentally, I'm sure, too, then she's able to literally soar above you know wherever she was ziplining and just feel like I don't know. It gives you a new perspective and it's like it's just so beautiful for me to think about her doing that. I love that for her.

Speaker 1: 27:23

Yeah, and I think that's the other piece that's super important is to understand why you're going to go on this journey, because we know it's not easy. I say strategy without struggle, but we're going to try to minimize this struggle with a strategy, but we know it's not always easy. And so to know why you're doing it and I like to have my clients really take some time with that Like, why are you here? Why do you want to lose weight? And let's just peel back the layers of the onion until I always say, when you get to the answer that makes you cry, you probably have hit the real. Why so? Is it so that you can travel? Is it so that you can get on the floor and play with your grandkids? Is it your health? Is it a wedding and you want to be the beautiful mother of the bride? And that's just another little story which, and so many women, when they're overweight, they stop being in the family photo, they hide, so maybe they'll get behind You'll see their face, they'll be the picture taker.

Speaker 1: 28:25

Or they'll be the picture taker, and that would break my heart too. It's like no, you have worth, you should be in those pictures. So sometimes it's getting the weight off so that they can feel like they can be in the picture again, and then that just warms my heart. It's like you're back in the picture.

Speaker 2: 28:40

I love that. Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1: 28:48

I didn't think about that, but I can think of women in my life who've been like, oh, I'll just take the picture, yeah, and then you never have any pictures. You're like, where are you?

Speaker 2: 28:52

And they should feel confident, they should feel impressed, because us women are amazing. Yes, confident they should feel the best because us women are amazing. Yes, yes, we should be celebrated and photographed. Yes, I wanted to ask you one last question about your fall program. What makes it different from traditional diet approaches to weight loss?

Speaker 1: 29:10

Yes. So the theme for the fall is the weight loss with strategy and not with struggle, because I think so. Again, we were talking about this. You absolutely go into it, dreading it from the very beginning, like I know I need to do it. I don't want to do it, it's gonna be horrible. How many months do I have to go? I can't have glass of wine. No, I can't have a chocolate chip cookie again.

Speaker 1: 29:29

I think I want to show people that, yes, we're going to build a strategy on what's unique for you and I'm breaking it down into like we can do a month at a time or we can do four months, so like a fall program and build in what's realistic for you. What else do you need to work on? It's not always just food. It could be the hormones. Do we need to get some hormone testing? Do we need to do some food sensitivity testing? Do you want to look at the medication? Do you want to just do diet? But let's talk about your sleep. Let's talk about how much water you're getting in, and we can start with simple things that well, hopefully it's not a struggle to increase your water intake, but for some people it is. But what's going on with sleep, because sleep is fundamental and if we're not sleeping, it's really difficult to lose weight and you're not going to feel your best and you're going to feel exhausted. So we really have to look at all of those things and then we can say, okay, this is our strategy, step one, and just build that strategy. And then again for December.

Speaker 1: 30:33

A lot of times it's like, okay, let's be real, it may not be the month to lose anything. Let's just hold and not fall apart. And I always say and don't disappear on me, because that's the other thing that happens. It's like I know when they stop showing up, it's things are probably not going in the right direction. So I'm like I want you to show up no matter what, and then you know if we need to worry about January, let's get back on. And I also I don't like I always say, well, what's your goal? What's your goal? How much do you want to lose?

Speaker 1: 31:03

And people be like, oh, 10 pounds, 20 pounds, 40 pounds, 50 pounds, but sometimes it's 100 pounds. And I say, let's just break it down into really small pieces, like 10 pounds. That's so much more manageable than looking at a hundred, because a hundred is just like this is going to take me forever. And then we celebrate, like if we're in the 180s. Once we get in the 170s, like yes, we did it, we're in the 170s. Doesn't that feel good? And celebrating, really celebrating. Yes, little wins, so I really like to break it down into small, or even if it's five pounds, let's get past 185 and then let's get past 180 or whatever the number is. But yes, so also incorporating this fall, for the first time, we'll have the sound healings as part of the package, if people want that, which I think is super important. Yeah, and then just determining what's the right path for the individual.

Speaker 2: 31:56

Awesome, that sounds incredible. Is there anything else that I didn't touch on that you want to share with us?

Speaker 1: 32:02

I think the last little thing I'd like to share is just that we have these magnificent bodies that have been given to us, and our bodies do so much for us that we don't even have to think about Like our heart beats for us. We don't tell it to beat. Our lungs breathe, our bodies detoxify and repair and restore, and there's so much that we don't have to tell it to do. But we're so hard on ourselves and we beat ourselves up so much. So one of the things that I would just want everyone to start thinking about is loving their body, treating your body like it's your best friend. Would you say that to your best friend, like, oh, you're ugly, I hate you? No, we wouldn't. So looking in the mirror and instead of going, oh God, I've done it, oh, look at those lines.

Speaker 2: 32:49

Where did those come from?

Speaker 1: 32:50

But just to be able to say, wow, I have these beautiful blue eyes that see the world for me. Thank you, and even if it's just doing a little gratitude, journaling around your body. And I had to do this. I had like a breakdown. I went on this retreat and I just ended up crying and journaling about my body because I had grown up with so much negativity and I was like, oh, why am I being so mean, so learning to love ourselves again and, I think, just appreciating what our body does do for us all the time and be kind and loving to ourselves.

Speaker 2: 33:23

Thank you for that reminder. I think all of us need it and it's just a good thing to keep in mind and remember. But yeah, thank you so much, Jennifer, for joining us on the show. I know our audience is going to adore this conversation and really benefit from it as well.

Speaker 1: 33:38

Oh, thank you. Thanks so much for having me Of course.