Human Design, Burnout, and the Blueprint You Were Never Meant to Follow

What if you’re not bad at boundaries, business, rest, or decision-making?

What if you’ve just spent years trying to succeed inside systems that were never built for your actual energy?

In this episode of Over This Should, Pamela sits down with Sarah Larsen, a Business Frequency Architect who blends Human Design, energetic strategy, Reiki, and real-world business systems to help entrepreneurs understand how they are designed to operate.

Together, Pamela and Sarah unpack Human Design in normal-person language, including energy types, authority, emotional waves, conditioning, capacity, and why so many high-performing women end up exhausted from saying yes to things that were never really theirs to carry.

They also dig into Pamela’s own chart as an emotional generator with a 1/3 profile, which opens up a larger conversation about experimentation, decision-making, identity, burnout, parenting, leadership, and the sneaky ways we override our own knowing because society told us we “should.”

This conversation is for the gold-star girls, the reliable ones, the women who can figure anything out but are quietly wondering why their life looks good on paper and still feels so heavy in real life.

You do not have to become a completely different person.

You may just need to stop forcing yourself into someone else’s blueprint.

Sarah’s reminder is a powerful one: just because you can do something does not mean you should.

And Pamela’s closing wisdom says it all: you do not have to become a completely different person. You can stop trying to force yourself into someone else’s blueprint.

Connect with Sarah Larsen:

Instagram: @iamsarahlarsen
Website / Human Design Chart: https://www.sarah-larsen.com/free-hd-chart-download   

Connect with Pamela:

Website: www.pamelameadows.com
Instagram: @thepamelameadows
Podcast: Over This Should

Question for you after listening:

What are you still saying yes to because you think you “should,” even though your body has already said no?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to another episode of Over This Should Podcast. Today we're talking about human design, which is one of those things that people either hear about and immediately want to start asking everybody what their type is, or they hear about it and they think, absolutely not, I already have enough personality assessments trying to explain me to me. But underneath all of that is a question that I think a lot of women are carrying. What if I'm not bad at life or bad at business or bad at boundaries or bad at rest or bad at making decisions? What if I've just spent years trying to succeed in systems that don't actually fit me? So to dig into this topic, we have a very special guest today. Sarah Larson is part systems architect, part frequency freak, and we'll get into that later. Her work sits at the intersection of energetic design and real business systems, knowing that your strategy only works when it's built for your energy. With 25 years of entrepreneurship across multiple industries and nearly a decade mentoring business owners, she brings human design and Reiki into her work lenses, and that allows her to reveal what's actually happening underneath the strategy. So today, she'll show you what's currently running the show and what needs to shift so you're back in charge. Welcome to the show, Sarah. Thank you, Pamela. I'm so happy you're here for several reasons. One being you are local to Hampton Roads, and I love to connect with other women in our community. And the other being you are going to help us talk through a topic that is really exciting to me. I I think that human design is very interesting and it's fun to talk about. What was happening in your own life that made human design feel like it was interesting, like you wanted to explore it more, that it might be something people needed?

SPEAKER_00 1:37

That's a great question because I feel like it was kind of a lightning bolt. And now looking back and knowing human design and knowing the language around it, I have words for what it was. So I was having a conversation with a friend, with a couple of friends over some coffee. And one of them said, Oh, have you heard about human design? And it was like ping, ping, ping, ping, like all the light bulbs going off in my in my body. And it's what we would call a full body yes in human design, where I was having a very strong reaction to that. And I immediately wanted to know everything there was to know about human design. And of course, I went down my design rabbit hole and then expanded from there as most do.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

For the person who's listening to this, and they've seen human design charts on Instagram, but they really have no idea what they're looking at because that is a really confusing chart. It is. How do you describe human design in normal person language?

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Yeah. It is, yeah, the chart, if that's the first thing that you see, definitely feels very overwhelming because there's so much information, and that's only the surface layers. Human design is it is a combination of multiple systems. And that includes astrology, quantum physics, actually, the I Ching and Kabbalah. These are just some of the systems that are that are part of it. It was downloaded, channeled through someone who called himself Ra Uruhu in the late 80s, and he brought it into the world for others to learn from. The way I would describe it is that it's a way for us to learn. It's not a personality test. There are no questions to answer. Your birth data is what determines your chart. And so I believe what it does is it helps us know how we're meant to operate in this world. That comes from following where your energy leads. It comes from knowing how you're meant to make decisions because the decision-making process, we've been told it's a certain way, it's always your gut, or it's always pressure to make a decision in an instant. Not everybody is meant to do that. I have found it to be something that has definitely changed my life, has made me a more understanding person. I am more empathetic to how other people respond to me or how they learn because I have discovered all the differences that we exist in.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Can you talk us through that? So almost your before you understood human design and your after. What were those changes that you experienced? How would you describe how human design affected you?

SPEAKER_00 4:16

Okay. So I'll give you a great example. Years ago, my husband and I had business together, and we had about 20 employees, one of whom I hired, and he was meant to be our customer service representative. We had an office he sat at the front desk, he answered the phone, he answered customer questions by email. He did great in the interview. He was great on paper, had some good experience. You could almost say he was overqualified because he had kind of managed other people before. I had created a written process with screenshots of what he needed to do, and also had walked him through it. And he kept telling me, Yes, I got it. And then I was getting really frustrated because as I would go behind to do things, I would see that he had made errors and it was really frustrating to me. So I would go back to him and say, Are you following the process? And he would say, Yes, I am. In the end, it just didn't work out. And we had to let him go. And now I have the understanding that we are different. And I just didn't understand that. And I'm like, I you're not doing what you're supposed to do. Now I would be a lot more understanding when it comes to that because I do understand that we are designed differently. People learn differently, people do work differently, and I would have approached him differently as well.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

That is so interesting. I've had big, large teams under me, hundreds of people, and smaller teams under me. And regardless of the size, I created a little Word document called User Guide to Me. And it was just, I pulled it from being in a development contractor world. And in that it said, how do I like to be communicated with? If I what's my disk profile, what's my love language as appropriate for work, that kind of deal, just as an opportunity to learn more about how does somebody want to be engaged with? What is their learning style? How do they want to be communicated to? But adding this element of the human design, which digs really deep into, I feel like our psyche, our saboteurs, things that I'd never thought of before. That'd be interesting to take it into work as well with our colleagues. How do we interact with them? Because you're right, I'm very process-oriented, but some people are very visionary and they're they're thinking about things and they're dreaming things that I'm like, well, what's the process to get us there? We're not playing on the same field, but that doesn't mean we can't meet in the middle, and it doesn't mean we can't complement each other.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Right. Yes, I I absolutely agree with that. I've learned so much about how I work. Human design can be applied to the corporate world as well, where you can see from how someone's designed what might be the best role for them and the best way to communicate with them, understanding their energy, not expecting a projector to work eight hours a day straight and have the same energy from eight to five or nine to five, that those kinds of things would be really helpful in the business world, which has primarily been set up for generators.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Yeah, I get that. And I also think it could be helpful for your family. My kids are older now, but I think about how interesting it would have been to have their human design when they were younger and to understand not what my expectations are of them based on my experiences, but who who are they more inclined to be? I think they can help help us be better parents. Absolutely. So a lot of my listeners, they see themselves as the person who grew up as a gold star girl, the reliable ones, the women who just get it done, keep everyone calm, figure things out, and you're quietly wondering why they're so exhausted. So through the human design lens, what do you think could be happening here with women who are just saying yes to everything, doing it all, but finding themselves burned out?

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Well, I know that one of your goals with this podcast is helping women get over the things that society has said we should do. And that is where a lot of this exhaustion comes from, is we've been told that, especially as women, that we are meant to carry it all as mothers and professionals, saying yes to everything and honoring your commitments. That is one of the things that I have come to learn about myself is that in general, that honoring your commitments is a societal expectation. And there are times when that is applicable and most important, and there are times when, you know, that's really not a big deal. And if you wake up on the day and don't feel like meeting your friends for coffee, don't go. And hopefully they are good enough friends. If they are good enough friends, they will understand that Sarah just didn't have the energy for that today. Or she said yes on a day that, you know, her emotional wave was high. So, like these are these are things that we learn. And it is really hard to let go of those. We call that the societal norms. The goal of learning about human design and discovering ourselves is to decondition from those things that don't work with our design. So if you're saying yes to everything and trying to accommodate everyone around you, and you're not taking care of your own energy, yeah, you're gonna be exhausted. You're gonna get burned out. And learning to take rest and understand that rest is really important, no matter what energy type you are, rest is important, then that's gonna help with that exhaustion. You're going to have more energy if you know how to use it properly.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Yeah. And you you just said something that triggered me. Can human design help somebody distinguish capacity and conditioning? Tell me more about capacity. What's your what are you defining as capacity? Can human design help a person understand where my no is, where my limit is, where I should say no before I become that person who is too counted on saying yes to too many things and then feels like they have to honor the commitments that they said yes to. Like, is there something in our design that could say, this is what your capacity, this is where you feel good versus, okay, but that part's conditioning. You were told you had to be this certain thing, but you don't actually have to be that.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Yes, absolutely. Um, and there are multiple layers of human design. When you first learn about it, there are just a couple of things that will help you make some small tweaks in your life that will make things easier. But there are layers upon layers upon layers. So to say, you know, we start like the highest level is energy type, and there are five different energy types. We can start there and say, you know, you're meant to do this, or you're, you know, this is how you're meant to handle your energy and work. The next is authority, which is how you make decisions. And there are like nine or 10 ways that people make decisions or designed to make decisions, and that's the biggest one for determining that yes or no. Is this right for me? Or am I being pressured to go along or not go along or whatever with something that I really want to do, where you're saying yes to something you really wanted to say no to versus saying yes to something that really excites you. So definitely human design can help distinguish between, you know, just because you can do things doesn't mean you should.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Absolutely. Okay, so I'm talking to you as somebody who went to the Dharma Coaching Institute and got certified through that school. So I feel comfortable with human design, but not for as knowledgeable as you are. But it does make me think that there are probably people listening who this is an abstract theory. Yes. So take us back to you're using words like your authority and alignment that might be confusing. So if you just had to walk us through, you've explained to us how human design got created, but just walk us through what are the elements of it, what would that mean for us? And maybe we can move into my chart for real examples.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Yes, absolutely. I mentioned that there are five energy types, and they are generator, manifesting generator, manifestor, projector, and reflector. And I mentioned generator energy earlier. Generator types, and that's both generators and manifesting generators, make up about 70% of the population. And so the poor manifestors, projectors, and reflectors really get the short end of the stick because society has set up our business systems to work more so for the generator energy types. Those other types require more rest, they're also more efficient. And when they get excited and do something, they can do it, get it done, and then they need to rest again. So that's one level. The next level I mentioned was authority. That's your decision-making power. And there are a lot of different ways, but the generators, again, the generator types all have their sacral, which is what a lot of people call your gut instinct. And so not everybody has that gut. You're like, you don't necessarily feel it. Even, even generators don't necessarily feel that that answer in their gut, but but we are meant to feel it in our bodies. So that is another level. That's another aspect of human design. There are profiles, and this is where we get into a little bit personality, a little bit design, subconscious sides of things, but it's not a personality like a personality test type of type of questioning. Um, but it is how it's rather conscious versus subconscious. It's how you're designed versus how you perceive yourself, how how you perceive yourself versus how others perceive you. And so that's that's something that is so if you hear profile, that involves numbers one through six, and everybody has two numbers.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

So through that lens, I sent you over the chart, and I am an emotional generator. Me having emotional anywhere in a description of me probably resonates with everybody who knows me. They're like, yes, she does. She cries on a dime. That's very true. From a generator, emotional generator perspective, and then maybe my two lines. What can you, what do you know about me from the quick little chart that you have?

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Okay. So the emotional tag that that has been added, that is something that is often added when you're describing yourself. So a lot of people will say, I'm a, you know, me, for instance, I'm a six-two manifesting generator. You are a one-three generator. That is your profile, as I mentioned, that's the two numbers, and your energy type. When we throw emotional in there, that is also throwing in your authority. And some people do that even if it's not. So, like I have a friend who is a splenic projector. And what that means is that her spleen is the thing that that is d defines her yesno and and lets her know that response. There are some who it's dependent on your environment. It there are some who um it is dependent on talking it out. Again, the generator types are 70% of the population, and we are either sacral or emotional authority. And so that emotion, what that really means is that we have emotional waves. And I'm also an emotional authority like you. So I feel that that gives me special powers when it comes to other emotions and other people who have emotional authority, because those who don't have it have a more difficult time understanding it. Not that they can't, but they have never felt it before.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

I have heard people say that I'm an emotional person, as if it's a negative. But I will say at my age now, actually think it's one of my superpowers. I uh value that about myself. I don't see it as a negative anymore. So I think you could like landslide into living deep into the lowest point of your emotions. Yeah, I've been there. But I don't think that being somebody who is empathetic and open to showing their emotions, happy, sad, joyful, everything in between. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

So the other part of being emotional as your authority, it means that because we have these emotional waves where, you know, we have highs and lows throughout a period and it is different for everyone. And I believe that it also, the length of those waves depends on how deconditioned you are, how good you, you know, how balanced you are with yourself. I have found that as I have learned more about my emotional waves and understood them better, that I'm seeing shorter lows than I had before. And part of that is because we are told not, you know, like, oh, if you're in a bad mood, like get out of that, should be happy, you know, force happiness. I have found that the lows that I discovered, when I learned how to not force myself to get out of them, they pass much faster. Like when I recognize that I'm in a low and go, oh, yeah, I'm not really so I shouldn't really be social right now because I'm not fun to be around. I find myself feeling apathetic and that kind of thing. All of that to say that as these waves go, the way we make decisions is that a lot of times we're not meant, especially big decisions, should not be made on the spot, like right this second and under pressure, because we are more likely to go with how we feel in that moment, but that may not be how we feel in a day or two. So the recommendation is to wait 24 to 48 hours to make a commitment. And then the other part of it is that for generators, which you are, and the generator types like the manifesting generator, which I am, we also have a sacral authority. Uh, that is an important part of who we are as generators. And that is the that gut feeling, that instantaneous yes or no. And as you get to know yourself better and you know what your responses are, you'll know uh you you will come to recognize them. So, do you know what your full body yes feels like, what your sacral yes feels like? I do, yes. Okay, okay, good. Would you like to describe that?

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Sure. So I know for me, full body yes or a no, when I have any kind of no, I feel tightness in my chest. I feel like maybe even my shoulders hunch over and I'm not sure protect myself. I go inward a little. Yeah. So for me, it's the complete opposite. With a full-bodied yes, I feel expansive. I almost feel like I could speak like this, and my chest opens up and it's a joyful noise that comes from me. There's not doubt and there is not restriction or coming back into myself. It is full expansion, full yes. Absolutely I'm in for whatever this is. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

And it doesn't really take that long to get used to that feeling. And there are other authority types, not just the sacral, that offer that instantaneous yes and no. It just may be found differently. So my friend who is a splenic projector, she says that she feels this little ping just to the left of her brain. And that's the answer. And it maybe it's a yes or a no, or it's a specific intuitive hit. But I'm with you as far as those the sacral body response. Something that I really just learned recently, and it ties into our emotional conversation, is that I have actually recently discovered that when I start crying over something that I'm excited about or I'm having a good conversation, like right now, I can actually feel it a little bit, a little bit of emotion coming into my eyes. That is a full body yes for me.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

I love that. And I think being emotional, and I'll just say this for a second longer. I don't want to uh bore people who emotional like I am. Right. It could the full body yes is part of that. And I also feel like it could show you where you get so emotional to the point of frustration, it could also show you the things that you might be here to solve to like be to make part of your purpose. So with with the generators, we're here to build, to create, to to refine, and we bring energy to things that genuinely light us up. Yes. What is that one sentence for each of the other groups, the projectors and the other?

SPEAKER_00 20:42

So, like you said, generators are here to build. And that's why 70% of the world has a generator type, because the manifesting generator is a cross between a generator and a manifestor. So a manifestor is here to bring ideas to life. And they aren't meant to finish anything, they are just meant to have the ideas and get them rolling. And they are very fast. And when they get those ideas, they just want to run with it. They should run with it. And that's that's really exciting. So, like I said, the manifesting generator is a cross between the generator, the true generator, and the manifestor. So we are very fast, but we have access to energy and have the building aspect of the generator, but we also like to skip steps and go fast because we have that manifest, like, oh, I got an idea, let's go. Um, and so a lot of times we are manifestors and manifesting generators are meant to tell other people what's going on in their head or what they're going to do, because I think of it like a boat leaving a wake in its path where it it ripples the energy for other people. So I mentioned projectors, and they are really meant to be the overseers, like project. Project managers, they aren't meant to do the building. They are meant to be the project manager and oversee it. And they have such wisdom when it comes to they can see like how something is going to come together. Like I said, the generator types make up about 70% of the population. Manifestors and projectors make up another like 29%. And then 1% of the population are reflectors. And reflectors are meant to mirror back to us who we are. Their role is really unique. I know only one projector that I know of. And it's not, it's not one of the types that I understand well because I haven't really interacted with them as much. So they are rare. If you are one or have or discover that you know one, I would highly recommend studying further about reflectors and how they work and find reflectors. I know you can just search them on Instagram or on the internet and just see them in action. If they're if they're reflectors and they're saying it, they're putting it out there on social media, then chances are they've deconditioned a bit and understand what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Interesting. Okay, so walk us through then what the the six profile lines are and what they mean.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

Okay. So the first profile line is one that we often call the investigator. It's somebody who is really interested in learning, going deep on things. So they're less likely to be a jack of all trades, but that could still, that can still happen depending on what the other aspects of their chart are. So these profile lines are, again, as with uh the energy type, maybe I didn't really explain this, but with the energy type, that is an aspect of your design. It is an archetype, it doesn't define every aspect of your chart because it's just one part. And there are many, many layers to our charts. For instance, you have that investigator line one in your profile, which we said was a one-three. And the line one is just somebody who really likes to go deep on things and know as much as possible about the things that light them up. So you might even find that maybe you're not somebody who goes deep on everything, but you're really going to go deep on the things that you enjoy and that really interest you. And that's partly because you're a generator. This is, and and because it is your conscious line, this is the way you see yourself. So the other part of that is the subconscious. If you had a line one subconscious line, then that would be the way that other people see you. And you might not even realize that that's what you do because it's kind of subconscious to you, and you're more aware, we're typically more aware of our conscious lines. So a line two is often called the natural or the hermit. The reason it's called a natural is because there are just innate gifts that are in a line two. And depending on whether they are, that is their conscious or unconscious line, it's going to appear differently. They may or may not even realize that they have those gifts or that they are something that other people can't do. So I mentioned that guy that I hired years ago. I am a subconscious line too. And what that means is that I just didn't know that there are things that I can do that other people can't do. And I can't explain how I do them. But one of those things is processes and systems. I can look at a process or a system and I can see how to make it efficient. I can see outside the box, I can see interesting ways to accomplish what needs to be accomplished without following the normal path. And so that is a gift that I have. And I just couldn't see why that kid didn't have the same ability to understand what I was telling him. And it just was something that I didn't know about myself until after human design. So that's why it's sometimes called the natural, is that natural gift. The other part of why it's sometimes called the hermit is that um there is typically an aspect of pulling away from the world or from putting your energy around other people to being solo because you need time to reset your energy. That doesn't mean you go and hide away forever. It just means that you need some time, alone time. It's good for you. So your other line is the line three, and that is I had forgotten that old school human design refers to that as the martyr. I call it the experimenter because that's really, that's really what you're doing is experimenting your entire life. You try things and they either work or they don't, but you're gonna get a lesson from it regardless. So I think that is a magical line. And I hope that you have embraced that.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

I love not calling it the martyr, especially when you talk about it being something that others view you as. I much prefer a person who does experimentation. And I actually think it makes sense as a generator when you're building things. It only makes sense that you are experimenting what works, what doesn't work. You're failing, you're adjusting, you're refining, you're trying again. And I think that showed up all throughout my corporate career, which is allowed me to move into the role that I have now.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

Yeah. Yeah. So line four is kind of a community building. It's like a it's like the networker. They're they're good at networking. They they love creating relationships with other people and then matching up other people. So they're like really good networkers and really good for community people. Line five is a leadership. They're natural-born leaders, essentially. They're they're meant to lead other people. We're we're automatically naturally attracted to them as and think of them as leaders. So that's kind of where that comes from. And then the line six, I love this one. This was my conscious line. So I'm a six-two. And what that means is that it's a three-part life cycle. And the first part of your life up to about age 30 is actually lived as a line three. So you're the experimenter for the first 30 years of your life. And then in the next 20 years, approximately, you could you are what they call on the roof, which means you're just observing. You've learned so much from all your experimentation, then you're observing for about 20 years and sort of applying what you've learned into your life. And then the final role, the final step is coming off the roof around age 50. And that if you're into astrology, coincides with your Chiron return. If you're not into astrology, don't worry about it. But what it means is that you're kind of settling into your life purpose at that point, and you become a role model for others. So it's so those are the six lines.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

I think it's helpful for everyone to understand those lines and be curious about is there any they connect with? And then to move on to actually having human design done to see how close you are is also very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

It is. And the one thing I would say is that if you did resonate with any of those lines or you resonated with any of the energy types or authorities, I would say even if you resonate and you get your chart and you find out that's not what you are, there's going to be something in your chart somewhere else. Like I said, there's a lot of layers that might explain why you felt that way. I'm gonna ask a personal question.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

So I would say the investigator fits me spot on. I am always a dig in. I ask why five times, I want to know how everything works. I will take every class, every training, every opportunity I can to learn things. It drives my husband crazy. He's like, Why are you learning something new? Can't you just sit and watch TV? And I'm like, no, I can't. I cannot. In this stage of life, I feel like I am piddling now with things quite as confident with what excites me. I mean, there's there's obviously key things. My marriage excites me, my family, but what's actually lighting me up now versus what isn't? I don't even feel like I have the energy to do the sitting down for 30 minutes to take a class on TEDx or Harvard or wherever I was taking classes from. Is that common? And if so, what in what in human design should I address? Is it a saboteur? Is it something that I can pivot and change? And and how do you do that when you know what your lines are, but you're not listening accordingly?

SPEAKER_00 30:21

That's a deep one, Pamela. I would not say that it's necessarily an age thing, a getting older, you know, change, but it could be applied, you know, we could see it that way in that you're becoming more confident in who you are. So one of the things on your chart that I noticed is that you have an open identity center. So one of the things we didn't really talk about in the explanation of human design is these centers that are located on the chart. There are nine of them. And I'm not going to get into what each of them are because that just is a lot more information that if you're interested in finding about your human design, you can dig into that. But the identity center is about who we are, how we identify ourselves. And if you have an a defined center, which again, another terminology, but what that what it means is that you are pretty solid in who you are and confident in that from early on. Now, of course, conditioning can upset that apple cart, but yours is open or undefined, I should say. You do have a couple of gates in there. And what that can mean is that you are open to exploring multiple things. And when we have open centers, no matter which one it is, we can feel that energy from people who have defined, are defined in that center. And you may find that you're just doing some exploration at this point. You've studied a lot of things. You're going to incorporate those because you've experimented and learned from them. You're going to incorporate them into your life. But it may just be that you're in an another, a more experimental phase right now, and you're checking this out or checking that out, or or maybe you've just learned a lot and you're just ready to do things that you enjoy. And not as much on the digging deep. Like you don't have just because you have that investigator line, doesn't mean you are going to go deep on everything. And if you're not finding something new, yeah, maybe you're just in an exploratory phase.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

That's so interesting. And probably a reason that if people have their charts done, it's worth that secondary opportunity to speak with you or or wherever they're going. Just to hear those things. The chart, again, I find it very complicated to read and to understand the defined, not defined. What does that actually mean? The gates, there's so many gates. There's like what 60-something gates that are there with that mean. So then to take the opportunity to sit with somebody who can actually walk you through what each of those things means and help you see yourself a little more clearly, I think is extremely helpful.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah. And I like I said, you can very quickly from having first seen your chart and knowing just your type and your authority really incorporate changes into your life. Just that awareness is helpful. Like knowing that you are meant to do the things that light you up and follow that as a generator type, that's very important. It makes you magnetic to other people. When you're doing something that drains your energy, it makes you not that fun to be around. So if you're slogging through your job because it's what you do and you just have to get things done and you keep taking on responsibilities because you're good at it, that doesn't mean that thing is lighting you up and you should be looking for the thing that does because you're just a bummer. Now you're just a bummer when you're doing that thing.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

I wish my kids would be like, yes, yes, she is just a bummer simply. Okay. So to pull on that a little bit, yeah. What are common ways that people override their own authority?

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Gosh. Well, the most common one is saying yes to the things that they really want to say no to. That is so common. So it's the saying yes to the family event because you're supposed to do that because they're your family and you love them. And, you know, I will tell you that is not my favorite thing to do. And it and sometimes I have to force myself to do it because that's unfortunately my in-laws don't understand that when I woke up that morning and didn't feel like doing something that I wasn't going to be that fun to be around. But, you know, they're Father's Day and Mother's Day, those are things that we are expected to get together and the holidays and things like that. And some of those things we can do, even though we really want to say no to them, we can override our authority for a little bit and be okay. You just tell yourself, it's okay, we can get through this. It'll be it'll, and it's better if you can tell yourself, when it's over with, you're going to appreciate that you did it. And when I see how happy my in-laws are for us to visit and spend time with them, then yes, I feel good about what I did, even though I didn't really want to go. But it can be saying yes to more responsibilities at work, or it can be saying yes to the kids' birthday party or the sports events or the dance classes. Nowadays, we see kids committed to all these different activities because we feel pressure to have things for your kids to do all the time. And ultimately, that is going to wear you out. If your kids have something going on extracurricular every single night, what are you, where are you finding the joy for yourself? Where are you taking care of your own energy if all you're doing is shuttling your kid from one thing to another? And depending on what their energy type is, those may not be good for that, may not be good for them. If they're sitting in school all day, kids are not built for that. And I'm sure most parents can understand that. I think that when we say yes to things because society says we should, we really need to investigate that further. And especially if you're feeling exhausted already, you really need to take a look at your life. And that can, and we're talking about setting, you know, the common thing is setting boundaries. That's a language that is commonly thrown out there these days. Yes, um, but the boundary is really your following your energy, following your authority and knowing and understanding how you do that so that you can protect your energy as much as possible.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Very interesting. I know a lot of women right now who have bossed so hard and they've they've hustled and they've got to a great place in their career and they've done all the things and they have all the accomplishments, and now they're just looking at a life that is great on paper and completely overwhelming and unfulfilling in real life. So, for those women, how can someone use human design? Whether they want to start their own business, quit their job, or they're ready to become a full-time flower farmer. Like, how do they use human design for that next step?

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Well, they really need to understand their design to do that. They're also going to need to decondition to all of that hustle culture that we've been learning, you know, that we've heard about. I I really hate the word hustle now. Side hustle, even is it's a terrible way to describe what you do. Hopefully, if you have a side hustle, you're doing it because it's something you enjoy doing, and maybe your day job is the thing that makes money. That's certainly the case with me. I do have a day job, and it's not that it entirely drains my energy. It's just that it's not the thing. Like I'm, I can be good at it and I can do things, and I'm, you know, being paid well to do that. Um, but it allows me to grow my coaching business on the side without feeling the pressure, the hustle of building a business from scratch and needing to make money from it to live my life. So I think it it takes time. I will say I have had ups and downs. I've been studying human design since 2021, I think is when I discovered it. And I've been studying it since and trying to apply it to my life, and I'm still learning. I have my own coach that I work with who is a human design specialist as well. So I think it's an ongoing process, but it starts with understanding your human design. Have somebody do a chart reading. There are there are varying levels of chart readings, right? You get your you get your chart. So, for example, I have um the ability, if you go to my website, Sarah Larson.com, I have the ability for you to download a human design chart for free. It's a beginner's guide to human design, and that is free to you to help you understand that energy type, your authority. It helps you understand your strategy. So we didn't get into that, but uh, there are ways how we should react to the world, responding, initiating, waiting for the invitation or some of these things that it gives you just the basic concepts of these things and how to understand the your chart from that aspect. I don't generally do basic readings, so going through every aspect of those things with you, that's why I offer the free beginner's guide, because I take it to another level. I take it to a level of now you know what your human design is, but most people don't know what to do with it when they learn about it and how to apply it to their life. So I am helping them specifically to apply it to business or career, but all of those applications still apply to your personal life as well. So instead of, you know, in a in a session with me, we wouldn't go through your whole chart start to finish, but we would start with what kinds of frictions are you feeling? Like the question that you asked about your not feeling the joy to go deep on things and and wanting to know. And that's the kind of thing that we talk about in my sessions, where we're kind of figuring out where is it that you're feeling friction in your life and how can we ease that?

SPEAKER_01 40:20

That's really good to know. So if you had to leave the audience with over the next seven days, what I know that you will will drop your link in so they can get their human design chart. What would you, once they have it, what would you recommend they start doing in preparation for a meeting with you or if they're trying to do things on their own?

SPEAKER_00 40:39

I think reading the beginner's guide to understand exactly because my beginner's guide is not a generic one for all human design types. It is specific to your chart. So I'm only describing the things that you're going to find in your chart. It's going to be specific to you. But you can go further. There is lots and lots of information on the internet. There are specific websites out there. There's the Jovian archive that has really deep information. There are plenty of people out there that are willing to talk about human design, and you can get a reading if you want to go a little deeper, certainly from many, many out there, or just do your own self-study. And I think the biggest thing to learn is your energy type so that you know how to manage your energy and also your authority so that you know how to make decisions so that you can stop saying yes to the things that you should be saying no to.

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Love that. Okay. I always ask my guest this question. So, Sarah, what should are you personally over?

SPEAKER_00 41:37

The should that I am over, that I'm still, like I said, I'm still working on me and still learning how to use my human design. My should that I'm sick of and I want to get over is feeling bad, feeling shame for not doing the shoulds, even though I let myself not do them. So I let myself not do them, but then I still feel bad about it. And I'm questioning, shouldn't should I be, should I be so posting on social media more? I don't enjoy it, but that's what they say I should be doing. The should that I'm trying to work on is letting go of that shame feeling.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You don't have to become a completely different person. That that shame and that guilt is just part of the deconditioning. I found it every step along the way. But what you could do is stop trying to force yourself into somebody else's blueprint. Figure out what your blueprint is on your own. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

That's that's the best way to say that, Pamela. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 42:36

No, you did a great job. Okay, so I want to make sure if we are leaving the listeners with your website, links to the human design chart, any ways to work with you in the future. So all that will be into the show notes.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:49

As always, I'm so appreciative, Sarah, of you showing up today, making time for this, walking us through human design, talking me through a few personal links on my own chart. That was really wonderful of you. And I'm looking forward to more conversations with you in the near future.

SPEAKER_00 43:03

Absolutely. Thank you so much for inviting me. It was such a pleasure to meet you and get to know you a little bit before we had this conversation. And I really appreciate the time. And as you can tell, I enjoy talking about human design. So fully lit up.