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But in today’s world, that truth feels alien. Taboo. And as we’ve drifted from it, we’ve seen the results: fractured families, broken communities, men uncertain of who they are and what they’re for.
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Fields of Fury The Unseen Battle in Agriculture
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Steph and I find ourselves amid the tumult of global agricultural unrest, a topic largely ignored by mainstream media. With a burgeoning solidarity movement, farmers from Europe to India are staging protests, and we're here bringing their voices to the fore. They're fighting to preserve their way of life against climate policies and corporate dominance, using tactics as bold as blockading streets and decorating corporate offices with manure. We draw parallels with the challenges faced by farmers down under, reminiscing about the glories of Australia's wool boom and unpacking the competitive, high-stakes environment that farming has become.
Our conversation takes a turn towards the stark economic realities farming communities face, where supermarket price tags don't reflect the producers' dwindling profits. We dissect the impacts of political maneuvers, such as plummeting livestock prices and live export restrictions, leaving farmers on a financial tightrope. As we probe into the governments' seeming shortsightedness, a question looms: Is the push towards ambitious environmental targets feasible without compromising the survival of agricultural practices? This segment peels back the layers of societal detachment from the origins of our food, and the policy mishaps that ensue.
Rounding out our intense discussion, we emphasize the undeniable importance of unity and brotherhood, particularly in the agricultural sphere and society at large. We highlight the concept of Warrior Week, illustrating the power of spaces where men can embrace vulnerability and support one another. There's a call for men to reclaim their roles, standing together in the face of societal shifts and protecting their communities. Amidst the complexity of these issues, we advocate for a spiritual bedrock and a revival of fundamental existential dialogues, as we navigate the challenges with the resolve characteristic of the men who till the land.
Hi, I'm Joshua Boroski and welcome to Man's Land, a podcast dedicated to the struggles and celebrations of men of the land, whether you're in a truck, tractor, yout, or just kick it back at home. Buckle up, as Steph and I act as the married duo to cover some deep conversations across farming, family, faith and fitness cultivating some challenging discussions that are essential for the men of this great country. Alright, so tonight we're going to be really hashing over. Is what's happening over in Europe, india, what's happening really across the world, with some of the fellow farmers protesting like well, like it's never been seen before. Really it looks like well for one. Farmers over in Europe have had enough, in particular, the French farmers, who are looking like they're besieging entire cities with their tractors, whilst you've got thousands and thousands of tractors lined up all across Germany, portugal, spain, italy. They're kicking off in Wales as well. And what's, I think, the most startling out of all of this, if you haven't seen this, is that it really hasn't been.
Speaker 2Oh, you could be forgiven for not seeing.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly that hasn't really been covered on our mainstream media. This has been going on apparently for years now. I can't believe that. I know for like two years. I've been following this thing for quite some time now and just like giving support on socials and you see it on socials for any of you that are on socials. But if you look on you know your regular TV network. There's a bit coming out now. It's kind of hard to deny now because it's gotten so big and so out of hand for them to actually finally make a dent in the well, what I call our propaganda machine, which is our mainstream media network.
Speaker 2So I think. What I'm most impressed by, though, is the effort of the farmers. I just I'm in awe of them.
Speaker 1It's massive, it's a huge effort, it's a huge statement of unity to bring like.
Speaker 2I mean life like embalzy. Some of the stuff they're doing is not little.
Speaker 1Not at all Like they are. They are like blockading supermarkets, corporate zones, things like that, and then just emptying fertilizer trucks and tankers with manure and effluent straight into into the, into the buildings, really laying it at the at the doorstep of who they really have a gripe with directly, and that is like the corporate structure that is sort of you know, enforcing certain measures when it comes to climate policy and things like that. Look it's. I mean whether we're talking about just the. I mean, I think the. I think the farmers rights and the farmers protests over over overseas is is one thing.
Speaker 1I do believe that we're going to see something starting to happen over in Australia as well. I know there's rumblings happening in New Zealand. It will only be a matter of time. But I think one of the main things that you're seeing over there is that they've basically made farming non viable because you know, like we've got our own, like German backpacks and things like that that come over and they're they come from farming families over from Germany and they say it's basically impossible. They are struck dumb by the freedoms that we enjoy in our operation and our ability to be able to like work freely, even though we're not for a lot for a large part. You know, if you throw the book, a lot of farmers are in a lot of trouble because it's just.
Speaker 2Yeah, we're going to say it's interesting in the comparison because I would say here with it's almost like being rendered not profitable to be a farmer.
Speaker 1Oh, it's shocking.
Speaker 2It's, it's. It's nearly impossible to make it work.
Speaker 1I mean like it's, it's, it's not.
Speaker 1I mean and this is not to say that like you, you you can't have a good crack and there aren't actual sectors and areas where you are able to do it, but you got to do it smart and it's and it's whittling down your, you know, your happy, your lucky sort of, you know, family farm organized operations that you know you could quite happily, you know, make a living and, and you know, enjoy the, the, the, that sort of lifestyle, as harsh as it may be, but still have the slower pace. Everyone sort of has this mistaken idea. I was talking to a couple of my fellow American friends and and you know you sort of come away from conversations that they perceive the farm life as being slow, as being, you know, oh, it's so slow and it's like, yeah, okay, we may not, we may not be at the cocaine speed of the, the inner suburbs of Sydney, um, but at the same time it's far from slow nowadays, absolutely, You've got to be on the knocker all the time. Well, we are on our phones, I mean, I've we're those Bluetooth headphones on my, my head all the time and you're just constantly on the blower.
Speaker 2Which I do not like.
Speaker 1No, but I mean that's, that's sort of what's what's going on, but it's like it's just like starting to squeeze a little bit more all the time.
Speaker 2And and you know when you have you know, obviously I'm new to farming, um, being married into it and only being in sort of around the industry for 10 years, but previous to that coming from completely nothing in the background of farming. And I remember you telling me stories of the wool farmers back in the day and you know the abundance that they enjoyed for the work that they did.
Speaker 1Oh well, that was, that was during the wool boom. That was very that was different. That was due to, like, the Korean war. So when the Korean war occurred, then you, you had what was called the pound for pounds, a pound of uh, uh, like a pound of currency which was equivalent to a pound of gold for a pound of wool, so like we're talking in like stupendous amounts of wealth.
Challenges Facing Farmers Today
Speaker 2Like, but I just can't believe. Okay, and no one expected that to last, right, but I cannot believe how far from something like that would come. People at the farmers are not getting paid what they're worth and what their produce is worth.
Speaker 1Not to mention on the other side. It's sort of like even just looking at. If you're looking at our own backyard for a second, take our eyes off of what's happening over in the world, okay, and we just look at the price of meat at the moment, oh, you go into a supermarket and they're being charged an absolute you know mozza. But then you go to, you have a look at the other end and everyone thinks, oh, farmers must be getting it doing pretty well. Well, no, those times are well and truly over.
Speaker 1That whole price thing, it dropped off a cliff about a year ago and now we're enjoying, you know, selling, selling our well turned off prime beef animals for the same price that we bought them for when they were scrawny little calves back, you know, 12, 14 months ago, and you know the losses that have been made have just been, you know, pretty heart wrenching, not to mention the sheep chop, I mean people. There was a price drop and then they hit us with a live trade export and it was just. It was shocking, just the behavior was shocking and there was no repercussion on the other side of that. They basically just held the cards.
Speaker 2So I think that's really when I'm talking to people about this and I've had multiple conversations with, especially farmers, wives from all across the world the question on everyone's lips is why would they do this? Why would they allow this to happen to farmers? Why, even if we take our own country, for example, why would the government be making this so difficult for farmers?
Speaker 1I think it's hard. I think that's an interesting question, because it almost doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2We're cutting off our nose to spot our face. If we cripple the farming industry in Australia, we're in trouble. We're in big trouble. We're in big trouble. And it seems to be no long term thought in that.
Speaker 1No, very little.
Speaker 2To me that's disgusting.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean like we're getting a little bit political here, which is not usually where we go, but I think like we are going to go to a little bit because it's I think it's just relevant.
Speaker 1I think it's relevant across a lot of things associated with just even, you know, not even just our backyard operations and what's happening inside the home, but we look at outside, at the state of the West at the moment and what is occurring out there. It's just a reflection of, you know, where the values of society have really ended up being bent out of shape, and I think there are a lot of people that, a lot of people and organizations that are taking us for granted, just most people in general. It's, you know, as complicated as it might be, you just take Einstein to sort of look from a far and see that something's not right. You know it. There just seems to be more chaos and confusion happening around every single corner, whether you're, you know, waving rainbow flags until everybody's looking starry eyed and, you know, don't know what gender they are to. You know, pressuring climate, freaking genders to the point where farmers can't even, you know, dig a hole in the ground without having to go and ask for permission. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2And the farmers that have been speaking to me have been just saying how much different different governments have been pushing them, pushing them really hard to basically render their land useless or use it for anything but produce food the production of food.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's the issue. It's this constant attack on the production of food. Yeah, I remember working in Wales back in 2007 or eight and I was working in a dairy and you know I used to get up early in the morning and you know waddle on down over the fields in the freezing cold at like 430 in the morning.
Speaker 2Did you waddle, babe?
Speaker 1I waddle because I was like, I was like I was like a little Michelin man and all my right up came from like I'd just been traveling in Africa and then the summer, and then I'd like landed in in a British winter and I was in a Welsh winter and it was, you know, I was sliding around on the ice covered fields and and I remember, you know we were, we were working with the dairy farmers and we're asking them about you know how, the how the trade is. And he said well, you know, for the most part, there's no real point even keeping it, like you might as well just pour it all down the drain. Keeping the milk? Yeah, no point keeping the milk, because the milk, like the price of production was, was outstrip, well and truly. You know what not worth what they were producing it for, and that was back then. And but the thing is they produce it, you know, but they're subsidised, so it still makes it viable as a, as a as a result. But that was, that was back then.
Speaker 1Things have not gotten any better. It seems like things have gotten worse, and just like here's. I'm just going to read this little blurb here from the Guardian as to what's happening over there. So these are some of the. These are some of the targets that have been that have been pushed over over there. And well, basically they're going to try and push everywhere across the West.
Speaker 1It seems only the Western areas are being a hit. Targets include halving pesticides by 2030, cutting fertiliser use by 20%, devoting more land to non-agricultural use, for example, by leaving it fallow or planting non-productive trees, and doubling organic production to 25% of the EU of all EU farmland. Many farmers already complained that the existing EU rules in areas such as irrigation and animal welfare are interpreted too strictly. They argue income and green policies are unfair, unrealistic, economically unviable and will ultimately be self-defeating which they are, because people have become so totally detached around what it makes and what it takes to to to produce food, what farming is actually about and the importance of it. It's like we've got this. You know this, seemingly. You know enormous access to information at our fingertips, and yet people are so much more detached from the real world than ever before, like people are worshipping it's idealistic.
Speaker 2That's why.
Speaker 1Absolutely. People are worshipping the, the, the creation like to to to a religious extent.
Speaker 2Like I mean, I wish that things could all be organic. I really do, because I think there's a huge problem with using pesticides on our food and all the like. You and I both know like we've had our own health journey in that and it's like something we've become aware of as we've gone along, but it's just not the reality.
Speaker 1No, it's not. We're not in a position like.
Speaker 2If people are in a position to be able to do that, amazing, but I just don't believe that you can force that on everybody, because we'll see a massive reduction in the amount of food that's available to people.
Speaker 1Oh, it's going to be huge and it's going to be absolutely catastrophic. I mean the fact that they're trying to, you know, cut down all the fertilizers and things like that. And you know, fertilizers have been used for thousands of years. You can't just start cutting fertilizer use and then this whole, you know, like this, there's a there's a massive amount of confusion. You've got schools pushing a lot of this agenda, a lot of this kind of agenda, into the minds of our, of our young children, who are then taking this into. You know, they take this through universities and through the, the, the lecturing academies, and then they're basically bringing these learned students into the school classrooms in the younger spaces again and just fanaticizing our children. They're making them more and more afraid of the consequences of the climate.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think the issue for me that I feel is that. But then what that translates into is people who are actually completely detached from reality and then they're going into positions where they make decisions for people who are stewards of the land constantly. Yes we are the ones that are out here. That's right Doing this. You guys are the ones that that understand the land, the way that it works, how to get the best out of it and how to look up.
Speaker 1Because it's so distracting. It's totally distracting from what the farmers are there to do, which is what they love, which is to be the good stewards of the land. That's the focus. But all of this is taking away from from that and like just basically pulling all their attention in another direction, which then just adds more pressure, and it's not necessary. So we've got, you know, we've got people that are meant to be focusing on the production of food. That's what they're meant to be doing Um, leading their families, being, you know, being good stewards. And then this sort of thing happens over and over again, and it's like everybody, it's just this constant meddling effect.
Speaker 2Wonder the rate of suicide Farming is bloody, so high it's ridiculously high.
Speaker 1Because the thing is is that when you, when you stack the pressures, when you stack the pressure of flood on top of the pressure of drought, on top of the pressure of marketing, on top of the pressure of the bureaucracy, on top of the pressure of the outlook Okay, on top of the pressure of the family pressures and top of the pressure of personal pressures and the wounds and the stories and everything like that, there comes a point, there's a breaking point that every man has and they ask themselves what's it all for?
Speaker 2Why am I doing this? Why?
Speaker 1am I doing this? Especially when the wife walks out, because she's had it, she's done with dealing with this detached man who has, you know, his coping mechanism has basically been shut down. Don't talk, you know, just withdraw, okay, because it's the only way he can really go day to day without tearing the whole show down. You know, he doesn't even, he doesn't even feel anger anymore. That's how constipated with his feelings he is. And so she's like well, I don't see anything here, I'm walking, the, I'm walking, I'm getting away. What's the point? I don't want to be married to a statue. You know I can't get any. There's no, there's nothing. And I mean, drive you wild and then so. So you've got this guy who's just basically buckling, can't take it under the pressure.
Speaker 1Well, it's because it's all on him.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that sucks a lot. So there's a lot there that you know that there has to be contended with. So what's so? What do you do about that? What do you do when you've got all the pressures of the world in your shoulder?
Speaker 2Well, before we go to that, I find it ironic and funny not in a funny way that you know, well that more people are starting to talk about these, this, and recognize this pressure that farmers are under. And yet you know we're still, you know farmers are still not being supported by their countries and that you know, in one hand, everyone's like, oh, be aware. The government it is and their governments are the public.
Speaker 1The public has always been very supportive of their farmers.
Speaker 2So we're in a state of the country, I mean the government, yeah, it's that's right.
Speaker 1So it's the governing bodies that seem to just basically slap more bureaucracy in that direction, lobbied under high pressure by the corporations or environmental groups.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And then you've got these, you know these great big green agendas that pop out and just smother, like these unrealistic, idealistic proposals to cut emissions and, and you know to, to fricking save the ducks. And you're like what, are you serious? Like the vast majority of them have had zero experience out there in the natural world, yeah, and yet they're all you know, they're all, they're all experts about what's happening out there, when they really have zero ID.
Speaker 2But sorry to cut back to what you did ask before. You know what. What do farmers do when they do have the weight of the world like this on their shoulders?
Speaker 1And by that I mean not just, not just farmers, but but any man, because this is this can happen across the board.
Speaker 1But yeah, what do you do? What do you do when it's it's all on you? And that's the question. Like that's one of the golden questions that gets asked, and it doesn't matter how many you know couches you sit on and how many times you vocalize it out and speak it out, and you know there are so many tools and techniques that you can learn, but in the end it's like comes down to the what is going to actually be able to carry the burden that you hold inside as a result of both your environment, your upbringing and everything else that's going on in your life that just seems to be weighing you down and that you'll either drown away in four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 12 beers or half a case a day, depending on where you're, wherever you're at and whatever your poison be, and then you know it's just like you got this sedated slaves all in a row just doing their thing.
Speaker 1I mean, that's not living. That's not what men were meant to do. Men were created to lead their families. They created the lead, and it's a shocking thing to see what's happening.
Speaker 2They're drowning instead.
Speaker 1Well, look at the fact that, like it's another litmus test, look at how confusing the education system has become with you know, the boys with boys and girls and girls and boys and Zeezer, but I mean no, but I mean apart.
Speaker 2Okay, like I feel that so many people talk about that. Yeah, just already think it's just madness. But what I find the most harrowing is the attack on little boys and there any kind of encouragement of masculinity for them and to understand what it is to be a young man or growing into manhood and that being taken away from them and not to like open a whole nother topic. But it's just, it's all connected because then you've got, yeah, these boys that don't know how to be men because they're shamed for having masculine traits.
Speaker 1No, that's right. But being aggressive, for instance, aggression, has been told. You know a toxic, you know it's always this toxic thing. We've spoken about this before, so you know we don't really need to go Recovering.
Speaker 2But I just think it's all adding. It's all adding to the pressure.
Speaker 1Of course it is but it's a result of where we're at and people. We need to start like, looking and recognizing this, like every man needs to recognize what is going on, like what's going on overseas with the freaking riots, and yet we're not being told that on our mainstream. How can that be?
Speaker 2How can?
Speaker 1that be? Yeah, you know what's. What's the amount of lies we're being taught, being told at the moment, and yet we just roll over and allow it to happen.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean to come back to what I was saying at the very beginning. I feel so impressed with the farmers overseas because I actually am not sure if we would pull together like they do, like, like I don't know, I don't know, I can't handle my heart say that we, as Australian farmers, would pull together and have the same gumption behind us as what those guys are displaying.
Speaker 1There's an exceeding large amount of unity. That occurs as the culture of farming over there is very strong.
Speaker 2I know that and they're more, and they do have a geographical advantage.
Speaker 1I understand in Australia. We are, but they have got, but the thing is that they, the European roots, are very deep seated in their cultures. Yeah, Like you're an Italian farmer, this is what we do. If you're a French farmer, this is what we do. And and you know you touch this these are like sacred to us. Yeah, be prepared that you're going to get some. You're going to stir the water and cause a fire.
Speaker 2But there was a time. There was a time in Australia that Australian farmers did do a similar thing. Your dad has spoken about it. They went down.
Speaker 1You mean when they poured all the rotten grain in front of a parliament house?
Speaker 2Yeah, but like no, but they came together. Is what I mean? Okay, Regardless of what they actually did.
Speaker 1You will get people. You will get farmers that will come together. Don't get me wrong, I'm talking majority though.
Speaker 2I'm talking every farmer across Australia Cause that. That, like the sheer numbers that they're pulling is. It's this huge. That's like every farmer's involved in those protests not just a few, not just a small minority.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2They are all banding together and speaking out.
Speaker 1They're not just like holding little pockets. They're really risking a lot to to sort of make yeah, but they're all risking it together. They are, they're all linking us Cause they know that they stand a lot stronger with the, with that unity.
Speaker 2Yeah, but this is like okay so let's like I'll break this down again.
Speaker 1Okay, I'm going back into this sphere of you know the political calling to arms and stuff like that. But if I was to break this more down to a personal essence as well, and what's so important about recognizing, okay, the unity that you see inside of over there, there needs to be a unity inside of men as well, and how they're going to be leading as members of communities, as members of organizations and things like that. It's like if you have a solid group of men band together, that is a very strong and powerful force to be reckoned with. That is something that the Western societies have been trying to annihilate.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1They don't want men to stand together. They don't want strong men to be together. They want to make sure that men feel castrated, that they feel like they can't speak, that they feel like they can't you know when, even though they know that it doesn't seem right, they just have to be okay with it.
Speaker 1Accepted yeah, be passive about it. And so we're breeding this real Passivity inside of our men, being denied their aggression, like shit. That's not. That's not what we're here for. We've been given an inherent aggression so that we can take those responsibilities, we can take this stewardship Seriously and protect it with that aggression. I mean, it's okay to be angry at what makes God angry. See, this is the thing it's like.
Speaker 1This whole idea I think that a lot of churches could, you know, weigh in on this as well Is that you know, oh no, it's no good to be angry, it's. You know, you gotta deny your anger. It's a that's a weakness. It's not a weakness, you're given it. You know, like anger. Anger is relevant. If you're, if you're denying the fact that you're feeling angry about something, then wake up. It's time to start looking at how your feeling is telling you something and start Recognizing what you can do as a result of that. So you know, if you're angry about the way in which the school board is talking about gender identity inside of your school and that you want, you know they're talking about maybe getting drag queens in to do story time Okay, like don't, don't don't think that this don't think that this is some kind of you know, a wild out there idea.
Men's Need for Brotherhood and Support
Speaker 1It's not. It's happening. It's happening all over the place and they will sneak it into your school as well, if they get the chance. Will the men stand vigilant? Will they stand vigilant and band together? If a strong group of men it's like, basically we've left it all up to the women, like we've left it up to you girls, you girls are the ones that are going in and screaming and making the hell up. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that other than the omission.
Speaker 2Of men.
Speaker 1The men should be leading the charge. Yeah, they should be there going no, simply no, get out or don't come near my children with this crap. It's just done. And you know if you've got.
Speaker 1You know you had 10 or 15 strong, fit, certain clear men, not taken into the confusion of what's happening, that much into a school room, much into an Organization or a parliament or something like that. They know what they're about. Yeah, that kind of thing is exceedingly powerful. Yes, but that's very rare and that's why we need we need to start looking at forming ourselves into these. You know, these groups where men can be, you know, open and transparent with each other. They can recognize the feelings and things like that, because that's what makes men weak.
Speaker 1What makes men weak is that they don't talk about the things that are important. They don't talk about their feelings. There's a lot that's happening inside of a man, a lot, and they think it's all about you know they can't you shut up. You know, just get on with it, don't talk about that shit. Ra-ra-ra, yeah, okay, great, great, until the burden becomes too damn heavy. And then what? Take it out on your kids, take it out on your wife, just don't respond. Go numb, go silently into the night or, worse, do something to yourself or someone else, whatever it might be, drink yourself into oblivion, like, like that's the. That is the end game of Not addressing this very important thing.
Speaker 2Hmm.
Speaker 1But if you're, if you're able to create a community, a space that can be held with the intention to Truly be able to expel those things like talk about them, talk about what's going on, what's happened, you know, it doesn't mean that you have to sit on a couch all day long, no, but you can take what, what the insights are like. Brothers, would you know, look and make sure that they see their blind spots. Got their six, got their back, okay, but not got their back just in a physical fight in a bar, but got their backs so that when they know that there's something actually wrong, they can see it and they can address it without the fear of it being soft or low, that they're gonna be a pushover, they're gonna embarrass them or something like that. Like that kind of Exposure, that kind of transparency, that kind of vulnerability is a rare thing, very rare thing.
Speaker 1That's what I love about Warrior Week. That's what I love about Warrior Week. That's what I that's. That's something that's so invaluable. There is that you've. It's this, it's this place to nurture and raise strong, spiritual, masculine leadership that they can take back into their households and then they can come back into their brotherhoods, they can come back into their groups and they can. They can talk about it. They could talk about the shit that they're struggling with and they can go hey, pull you into line, hold you accountable, you know, give you a space that you can, that you need yeah.
Speaker 1Knowing that the love that's coming from everybody involved in that group is real, raw and relevant.
Speaker 2And there's no judgment. No there, it's just, you know, a safe space for men to do that, but also a space where people are gonna be honest with them.
Speaker 2Yeah and they know that they can be honest back, hmm, which is so. It's just, it's just not happening. It's just not happening for men, I think, especially for men on the land. You know, for women, like we have spoken about before, we tend to be a little bit better at talking to each other, but For men, they don't feel like there is a place where that's possible With those parameters. I mean, you know, it's one thing to be at a pub with your friends. It's completely another thing to feel like You're with men who are your brothers, who have your back emotionally and spiritually and physically.
Speaker 1Yeah, but it all starts recognizing there's an issue and then being prepared to suffer, being prepared to go in and, you know, be exposed, face that mirror and recognize the truth.
Speaker 2I mean, can you talk a little bit about being in, you know, in your circle of guys, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1I mean what? Yeah, I mean like within sovereign sons. Yeah well, sovereign sons is is is like a derivative of it, in a way. Oh, it was, it was.
Speaker 2I just mean because there's more like directly, it's more for farmers, you know, like as in, you're a farmer and you had created it and then there's some guys in there who are also farmers, you know, and it's like so. I just mean, sometimes I think farming is its own breed of thing.
Speaker 1It isn't so, steph, this is the thing it's not, and that's you've got to be careful about that Cause everybody goes oh no, you're a farmer. Farmers are different right.
Addressing Relationship and Faith Issues
Speaker 1They're built different in certain ways, but do not think for a second that they are therefore deserving of isolation because of that. They need their own thing. They don't. The men are predominantly. We have the same issues. It might show up in a different way, but we have the same issues. Got relationship issues? Yeah, I got relationship issues. What do you do? I'm an accountant, Okay. What are you? Well, I'm a contractor, Okay, I drive a spray rig, or, you know, I might be a high-faluting executive and I'm just you all have still got.
Speaker 1I'm on the rigs, the relationship issues, exactly like we have the similar issues. We lie, we're afraid of being exposed, and we use coping mechanisms that help us to just get to another day, basically just sedations. Okay, so we use those sorts of things, all of us, to get the desired result, which is survival, which is, you know, to get to another day.
Speaker 2Which is also not a way to live. No, it's not.
Speaker 1No, it's not, and we basically like to kid ourselves. The thing is about Warrior Week, and the thing and about Sovereign Sons is that we are building these spaces to intentionally address the things that aren't spoken about, the things that are making the foundations of man weak. It's time to stop putting your feet in sandy soils. It's time to start building your foundations on stone. That's why we put Christ at the center of what we do and then we move forward Like everything rotates around.
Speaker 1That Might not seem like it at first, that takes a little bit of time for that to become an awareness, but all in all, that's where it's all coming from, that's where it's centered, that's where it's grounded. So you know that unmoving, unchanging essence of God. So I mean, you know that's something that this society lacks enormously. It's like, when I ask that question, what do you do with it all? What do you do with it all? What do you do with all this stuff? This is the thing People have gone to every other kind of worship possible to answer this question, instead of taking it to the cross, because the cross has been given such a filthy name. The world hates it, hates it. It just does. It's like oh, I don't preach to me. You know you're higher and mightier than thou. Kind of bullshit and all that.
Speaker 2No man. No way, it's not about that.
Speaker 1No, but not only that. I'll tell you whatever you want me to tell you about all the crap I've done and that I continue to do. I'm no better than you, I just know this, and so therefore it gives me peace. But it's just so caught up where churches have made it about works, or religion has just infiltrated it and twisted it in the minds of so many, and so many generations have been so badly damaged by, especially our parents ones, and so now it's basically no longer even considered. It's run from. But there is a, there is a re, a returning starting to happen.
Speaker 2Yeah, a recognition.
Speaker 1There is a little bit of a recognition. People are starting to ask what's this about? Even with everything that we've got, it doesn't? It still hasn't answered the questions.
Speaker 2So, and everyone's trying to look for it in a lot of different places.
Speaker 1That's right, because well, that's because we're looking outside and we're seeing the chaos that's occurring and your vast majority of population are going what's going to? Stop this. What do we do about this? Where are we doing this? I'm wrong. What's going on? So people will start in that desperation, they will start to actually ask the question. They will start arriving at the answers that they would usually run from because they're too sticky, they're too tricky, they don't feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1And life's not meant to be comfortable. If you're always in comfort, you're not doing anything. If you're always in chaos, you're not doing anything. You've got to find that frequency in between, so you.
