Mans Land.
"Men are born to be leaders. Good or bad, every man leads — his family, his business, his body, and his home as the spiritual head.
But in today’s world, that truth feels alien. Taboo. And as we’ve drifted from it, we’ve seen the results: fractured families, broken communities, men uncertain of who they are and what they’re for.
On the land, the challenge is clear — tame the soil, raise the stock, grow the crops. But the hardest battles aren’t in the paddocks. They’re in the pressure cooker of unhappy families, poor seasons, banks at the door, and a body breaking down. That’s when chaos reigns, and the question rises: ‘What’s it all for?’
Too many men try to answer that question without God. But He is the only certainty beyond what we can control.
This is Man’s Land — where we talk about the struggles, the victories, and what it means to lead as men under God’s design."
Mans Land.
Masculine Faith in a Divided World: Lessons from Charlie Kirk's Legacy
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Recorded just days after Charlie Kirk's assassination, BQ draws powerful parallels between this modern martyrdom and the Biblical account of Stephen's death in the Book of Acts. "The enemy thought that he could silence Charlie Kirk. The opposite has happened," BQ observes, noting how across the globe, millions are gathering in response. Through this lens, we examine how spiritual certainty enables men to stand firm when facing opposition.
Welcome to Man's Land with BQ Davis
Speaker 1All righty, okay, great, all right, guys, good morning, good afternoon wherever you are at the moment, and welcome to another episode of Man's Land. Today we are having a special guest on all the way from Dallas, texas, over in the United States, um, brian bq davis. Um, also known as bq. I call him coach uh, the. This is a, a man who has uh released and written a book, the sales war. Okay, he is my mentor, he is a coach, he's um, he's a one of the major coaches inside of warrior week. Uh, more on that, if, uh, if you're interested, and I'm just so glad to have him here on the show with me today. Thanks for coming on the call.
Speaker 2Yeah, good to be here, brother, good to be here, amazing.
Speaker 1So, coach, sort of like when we were like I think there's this great perspective that rolls out between two countries, two nations with similar roots when it comes to the culture and things like that and the things we see.
Speaker 1I mean we're two Western nations, we're divided by thousands of miles, but we sort of see that there are similar problems that arise inside of each other's countries, like when we look at Australia we cover this inside of the podcast we see some of the major issues that men face just inside of their businesses and things like that.
Speaker 1But also we can't help but be impacted by what's occurring in the world at large and some of the things that have just happened in recent days that have really hit hard and hit home for, you know, not just Americans but also a lot of Australians, actually a lot of people all around the world. Like you were just saying before, like you know, we're seeing these marches, we're seeing these, these vigils, um starting up around this, um, this brother in Christ, charlie Kirk, and um, and you know what he stood for and what he represented. I mean, people die every day, but the way that this man has impacted so many lives, it's pretty astounding and, as a man who you know like reading your book, coach Bikyu, the way you write these books. This book is called the Sales War, but this is really a map about movement inside of a man's life in general. So I just wanted you to be able to talk a little bit on both what you're seeing over in the States after what happened with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and just through your eyes a bit.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, I mean to give you a little bit of background, and you know, I have a, I have a love for Australians. I played rugby for 17 years, which is which is a rare thing in the United States. There's not many rugby players over here, but I but I had the benefit of having a number of brothers on the rugby pitch, and the thing that I know about all of the Australians I ever met was that they were all men, um, I mean, they were hard men, right, and it's, and it's, it's, it's. You know, australia is the country that you, you know, turns out culturally anyway. You, you think of, uh, um, you know, crocodile Dundee from back, I mean, that's, that's from when I was a kid. But you know, um, you know, mad Max, you, you know, you get these, you get these, uh, these hard men, the Anzacs, right, you get, you get these, uh, these archetype men that have come from Australia. They remind us of, of the, the heroes that we have, uh, in the United States of, um, whether it be, you know, john Wayne, or or these, these, these guys that are our favorite soldiers. They're all men of like.
Speaker 2The common thing was that they just have certainty and they're not asking anybody's permission, and I think whenever we look at well, I mean, if you look at the book, the book is an output of my own journey from going from having zero spiritual certainty to having certainty and realizing that I had just. My story is essentially that I was just worshiping idols, right, I was looking for significance in being the top sales guy, looking for significance in hitting the bonuses, making the big sale. All of those things and all of my identity was tied up on whether that was true or not. And when it wasn't true, I had to try to find a way to find some significance in that. When I wasn't the top guy, I was always striving, striving, striving, sacrificing my family, sacrificing everything at the altar of that idol. And then what I discovered is that when you get, all of that work will produce, but when you get the outcome of that work, the idol betrays you because you're still in it. You're still in it, right?
Speaker 1So, so, like this is like, like, such an important thing to note, because I think that we see that especially men of the land like our wives see it, our kids see it, even friends that aren't on the land, they see it a lot. But that idol that you're sort of describing there, that's something that really rules and and and, uh, you know, we attach ourselves to in its entirety. We gain such identity from what we do that that sticks a great big label on it's like well, I'm a farmer and when people and you're validated in it as well.
Speaker 1It's like, oh wow, you're a farmer. That means that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, um, for better or worse.
From Idolatry to Spiritual Certainty
Speaker 2Yeah, well, and I mean you're right that our families, uh, our wives and our children and those around us see this and know this, because they're the ones being sacrificed at the feet of the idol. They're the ones that we bring to the idol and say here, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to sacrifice this time. I'm going to sacrifice this marriage, I'm going to sacrifice this relationship, I'm going to sacrifice raising and leading my children, I'm going to put these things at the altar of the idol because that's what the idol demands, and I will do that. I'll sacrifice my body, I'll sacrifice my fitness, I'll sacrifice all of these things to this idol. Sacrifice all of these things to this idol. And the idols always betray the worshiper, always, always.
Speaker 2And so until you recognize that your identity is what it is I mean until you actually recognize what your identity is, you're always going to be trying to figure out what it is. Am I a farmer? I am a salesman? I am a father, I am a insert, whatever title you want. A lot of times, we're carrying around titles that sound like I am a failure. I am not enough. I am carrying around titles that sound like I am a failure. I am not enough, I am never going to be loved, I am alone, I am all these things right. All those are attempts to try to find a way to figure out what is going on, but ultimately, it's all grasping at something to try to anchor to, and until you recognize, number one, that there is no nothing to anchor to, as a man or woman or child other than the word of god, you will always be left grasping, and and if you're, and as you're grasping, you are pulling people down into under the waters with you and as a man, that is not your. That is. That is the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing. You're the one that's supposed to be man's land. You're supposed to be the one that is.
Speaker 2What did Adam do in the Bible? What is? What was he? What was he charged to do in Genesis? To tend and keep the garden. He was a man of the land. That's that's I mean, it's the podcast Tend and keep. What did that mean? He kept bringing order to the things that were growing there and he kept it. If you looked at the Hebrew, it would say guarded it. He guarded the garden. Well, we know how long that lasted. Well, actually, we don't know how long it lasted exactly, but we know that at some point he failed to do his duty and in walks the serpent, and the serpent speaks into his wife's ear instead of the word of god, and now we know what happened, right? So that's his history. You have to um, you like, but if you? But I just want you like bringing this into context of what we're seeing in the world right now I just before you go there, coach, one thing just got to.
Speaker 1Like what you just said impacted me a lot, like that's pretty, like that's exactly where I was really Like when, like looking and searching for this purpose in life all the time, or you know what the backing behind this label, what that means to you, and it's like this enormous distraction that causes nothing but chaos and really takes away. Like he says, it steals us away. It steals our, our tensions, our focuses, our efforts away from you know what matters. We don't even know what matters. In that moment, like that's where I was. I was like basically trying to find the, the thing, the purpose. What am I here for? Like, what am I here for and why? You know why am I struggling so much? Just to find the be settled in anything. Everybody else seems to have it right, what's wrong with me?
Speaker 1And I think that there's a there's an epidemic of this kind of thinking because, like I know that firsthand, it wasn't until, like I was finally grounded in the reality of the spirit that I recognized what I am opposed to, what I think I'd like to be. That, you know it opened up a whole lot of peace, that you know it opened up a whole lot of peace. But we have a world like what we see here is an epidemic of people searching for something like they're searching and they're searching for for answers, because the chaos is overwhelming. Like we just look at you know, we try and think, oh yeah, we'll have certainty in the system, we'll put certainty in our governments, We'll put certainty in, like someone smarter than me, they're looking after it, or, you know, certainty in their title, or certainty in their wives.
Speaker 1And until that, all of a sudden, that stops, that gets shaken, yeah, and world events shake that up hard, for better or worse. I mean, I don't necessarily think it's always a curse. I think a lot of the time there's a necessity. But like I look at what you've just said in regards to the Australian man, the Anzac, these hard men, these men that are resourceful, that are prepared to just step into the action, okay, go over the top, like, go over the top when the whistle blew, you know, and face the Turkish guns at Gallipoli, you know, go into, you know, pick up the ball and run with it you know, or drag the sheep out of the backyard and shear it in the heat of the day, whatever it took, you know, but there was a certainty and the grounding that that was.
Speaker 1That was more or that we sort of see, or that we like, about that image of man, that archetype that we do not see now, we don't see it now. It's a, it's a dying thing. Those croc Dundees will walk along a pearl on, that's a dying thing. And yeahpped-down Ds will walk along a pearl line. That's a dying thing. And yeah, I think back to where I think you were heading Coach is what we're seeing in the world today? We're seeing such a divorce from that.
The Crisis of Modern Manhood
Speaker 2Well, I mean, look, it's September 13, 2025, and what is literally happening around the world as we're recording this podcast is that there are gatherings all over the world. Right now we're looking at a video of 3 million people in the streets of London. I just saw a video in Adelaide. I saw a video of people all over the United States, all over college campuses, there are people rallying around honoring Charlie Kirk. Now, what happened to Charlie Kirk? Charlie Kirk was killed, murdered two days ago as he sat on a college campus and for lack of a better term preached the gospel. I mean, he engaged politics, but all of his political views and the reason they were so challenging to people is because they're all based on the word of God. They're all based on a fundamental understanding of our reality, which is every single one of us is a sinner. Meaning what does sinner mean? It means your actions and behaviors fall short of the standard, of God's standard. So I break the law there is a law and I break it all the time and, as a result, I am guilty for the punishment that it was due for those crimes. Right, and what is the punishment that's due to a crime against a perfectly holy God? Is eternal wrath perfectly justified. And here's the thing we all know that. We all know that Every man that listens to this, every man, whether you say that you understand or know, or follow Christ or not, you know that there's something wrong with the world. And that's what led you, leads me, leads every man that's anybody that's not a follower of Christ and doesn't understand Christ. It leads all of us to go to try to solve that problem ourself. And we try to solve it by what's my purpose? I'm going to find my purpose. A lot of times we'll try to find it. Well, if I start fixing other people, then I don't have to look at myself. If I hit the top salesman and I make the huge commission, well, that number gives me value, and so I'm not looking at the reality of. I know in my heart and soul that I am due wrath, I am due punishment and eternal damnation, and so in that space, you will see what's happening across the world. Right, this is beautiful right now, september 13th. We've got to not miss this, because what I believe is I believe that we're on the verge of revival, a global revival. That's been a prayer of mine. I've prayed that here in our little church in Dallas, texas, trinity Church, oak Cliff. Little, tiny little church that I pastor. It's just 30 people, but we've prayed for a revival and literally we're seeing that, I believe, across the world right now, today. It's incredible Now what is actually happening behind the scenes. Happening behind the scenes, charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2If you watched his ministry for lack of a better term he always pointed people to Christ. Ultimately, he used the political sphere and the engagement and discourse and all that, and debate and his ability, all of that ultimately leads to pointing people to Christ Again. Why? Because Christ is the only solution. Every problem, every problem, every problem, every, every, every, every problem is a result of sin and there's only one solution, which is the gospel.
Speaker 2And what is the gospel Is that Christ, a perfectly holy being, god, became man, came down here, humbled himself to take on the form of a man, lived the perfect life entirely obedient, deserved no wrath and took all the wrath that you and I deserve In a perfect, complete sacrifice. He got on the cross and he was murdered. And as he was murdered, he was forgiving his enemies, giving us the perfect example of, by the way, what we should be doing today. And then, when this was all done. What did he say? He said it is finished. He didn't say it's mostly done, he said it is finished.
Speaker 2The Greek would say it is fully paid, meaning all of the sin, all of this was paid for. And now he is the advocate. He is the way, the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father except through him. So if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, that he has paid your sins, stands in the court of heaven, becomes your advocate, is your good shepherd, and then you get the gift of what Romans 8 says, which is there is therefore now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. So as the enemy comes and tries to remind all of us about what we did and the failings that we had, we're able to stand there and go yeah, but I've got somebody that paid for it.
Speaker 2Romans 8.1. So get behind me. I'm following my Savior. Lord, what would you have me do? And what he would say is lay down your life for your friends, love others as I've loved you. What does that mean? Forgive your enemies, confess your sins, follow the word of God, be obedient. If you love me, you will follow my commandments. What are his commandments? Forgive, confess and love. And what does love mean? Love is not roaming candles and Valentine's Day cards. Love is suffering. Love is you taking from your account and paying it for someone that can never pay it back. And what's happening across the world right now, I believe, is that what people saw was a man that was solid in his faith, 100% knew where he was going and was fully committed to go to the death, to the end. In the Gospel of John, it says Jesus loved his disciples to the end. Well, charlie Kirk is an example of what it looks like to love those, even his enemies, to the end.
Speaker 1Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2And we don't see that. What we are seeing is the epitome of masculine spiritual certainty is to die preaching the gospel. The church has always been was born out of a moment like this, and this is what's come up for me in the last 24 hours. If you read Acts 6, 7, and 8, you see this exact type of moment with the martyrdom of Stephen. So if you don't know this story, here's what was going on. Jesus has come. He has risen the church. Jesus has come, he has risen the church. There's the disciples, there's people. Peter's up there. He was gone from being a coward to standing there preaching to all of Jerusalem.
Speaker 2And then there's this moment where they need to get some men to go out and serve some of the widows and serve some of the needy and the disciples. The apostles say, hey, maybe we should find a group of men to go do this. Notice a group of men, find me some faithful men. That's what they said. So they went and they chose seven of these guys, and one of them was Stephen. And look at the way they describe him in Acts, chapter six. It sounds like Charlie Kirk. This is amazing. I saw this today and Stephen, full of grace and power was doing great wonders and signs amongst the people, and some of them, who belonged to the synagogue of the freedmen, as it is called and these were the Cyrenians and the Alexandrians and those who've come from Sicilia and Asia rose up and disputed with Caesar, debated with him. Sound familiar, but they could listen to this. Look, look, and what do we know? Charlie Kirk for His debating skill, right.
Speaker 2By the way it's easy to debate when you're telling the truth. It's easy to debate when you're standing on the truth. But look at this. But they could not withstand the wisdom and the spirit with which he was speaking.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And they secretly instigated men who said we have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God. Don't we see this right now in the media? I was Charlie was a. He was a. He was a. This he was a. That he was a fascist, he was a. This that. It's exactly the same formula. The enemy doesn't have new tricks.
Charlie Kirk and Modern Martyrdom
Speaker 2No, they stirred up the people, look at this. And they stirred up the people with the people and the elders and the scribes, and they came upon him and seized him and brought him before the council and they set up false witnesses and so on and so forth. Then what does he do? He gives the gospel to them with full force, saying in the next chapter, after giving him all of the lineage of everything about where this has come from, he blow, torches them by saying you, stiff necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears. In other words, I brought you all of the truth and yet you were refusing to see it. You always resist the Holy Spirit, as the fathers did, so do you? Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed the ones who announced beforehand the coming of the righteous one, jesus, whom you betrayed and murdered. There's the mirror. And you received the law as delivered by angels, but you did not keep it. So he's, basically he's gone from. Here's all of the facts. Now here's the truth. I'm going to hold the mirror right up to you that you are a damnable sinner that murdered the righteous one. And then look what they did. Rather than say Lord, what must we do? They heard these things and they were enraged and they ground their teeth at him. But he, full of the Holy spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God and said behold, I see the heavens open and the son of man standing at the right hand of God. But they cried out in a loud voice and stopped their ears and eyes and stopped their ears and rushed together at him and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul Wow and as they were stoning him, stephen cried out Lord, jesus, receive my spirit. Sound familiar? That's what Jesus did. And, falling to his knees, he cried out in a loud voice Lord, do not hold this sin against them. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. So you have an example. By the way, there's two things that we need to see here. One is the model that we need to see here. One is the model.
Speaker 2The certainty came from knowing the truth and being bold in telling it, even to the enemy, even when outnumbered, even when your life is at stake, which is exactly what Charlie Kirk was doing. Massive spiritual certainty. And then, as these people are trying to kill you, you are forgiving them, and actually it wasn't even just forgiving them. He said he's interceding for them. Lord, do not hold this sin against them, just like Jesus was, I guarantee you, the people that were stoning him.
Speaker 2Some of them ended up believers very shortly after this, and then they were able to say there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. I did a terrible thing. I murdered the guy that was trying to give me the gospel. We're going to meet some of these people in heaven, so one is. We see this archetype of massive spiritual certainty that goes all the way.
Speaker 2Then what happens? And this is where I think what's happening across the globe? It says there arose on that day a great day of persecution against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered through all the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles, and devout men buried Stephen and made great lamentation over him. But Saul was ravaging the church and entered house after house, but he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison. So Paul, who's Saul at this point, tries to at some level almost sedate by going even further with his persecution, although he can't unsee the fact that this young man was murdered, but look at what happened. Here's the key phrase Acts 8, verse 4. And now those who were scattered went about preaching the word, and that's how the church spread.
Speaker 1So when you listen to that and you consider that piece of history and what we see inside of faithful men, and we compare that to today, we look at the Apostle Stephen and then we sort of say, okay, look what he just went through, look at the language, look at what the unfaithful, the ones that were condemning him and accusing him, and we look at the behaviours that he whipped up in people and the way in which they point the finger and they're prepared to throw the stones. You know verbally sometimes you know physically, no doubt. If Stephen sat there and had a sign, you know verbally sometimes you know physically, no doubt. If Stephen sat there and had a sign, you know, disagree with me, okay, he was going to have some rocks thrown at him.
Speaker 1And we look at the way in which Charlie Kirk would conduct himself in the face of similar 100%. It's so profoundly mirrored, it's nuts, and you can't deny that. You've got people like you. Look at the kind of people that Charlie Kirk would argue with for a lot of them, when they do that very thing, when they block their ears and they shut their eyes and they just scream in the face of the truth because they're so lost, at times with no real way of arguing what's being put on the table back then and now, which I could, they can't. They can't.
Speaker 2No, look at the pattern right. What did they do? They went around behind the back and found they roused up people to create lies, because the truth, a lie, can't stand up against the truth. So if the guy is giving the truth, you've got to try to outflank it with lies, which happened here, which has been happening. Then, when that doesn't work and you're confronted directly with it, you can close your eyes and not look at the mirror or not hear the mirror, but it doesn't mean the mirror is not still there and you've seen it. It's too late. That's why the power of the gospel is what it is, because once you see the mirror, you can't unsee it.
Speaker 2Once you hear about Jesus Christ, once you recognize that what you and I are talking about right now anybody listens to this you know that you are a sinner. You know it. What you do with it is your eternal destiny. That someone loved you enough, even while you were still a sinner, not when you were perfect, when you were at your maximum sin level. There's still a man, a God. Jesus, by the way, means Yahweh saves. That's the name of Jesus. He's the only God that saves. He came and said I love this person enough, I'm going to die for them. Well wait, because they're perfect? No, because they're imperfect and I love them anyway and they're mine. Once you see this, you can't unsee it. That's why the power of the gospel is what it is, and that's why Charlie was so powerful, because he was filled with the Holy Spirit and he preached the gospel with everything he did.
Speaker 1And it makes logic. There's sense in it Once you recognize the logic inside of the gospel message and inside and this is the thing Charlie was a master at it was logical, he went through logic. He would break down an argument. It's like when you're having an argument with someone, you are compromised as soon as your logic goes out the window as a result of emotion yeah, and emotions like a driving factor. But whilst you see the other other side face the logic inside of the truth, their only recourse is emotional turmoil and emotional bunk, and and and harsh words and accusations and in order to try to whip up a mob to increase the fervor of emotion, all of which is compromised, all of which makes no sense, just nothing but chaos, with the sole intent to confuse, confound and destroy whatever it is that's going on there, which is exactly what we see so many of these people doing.
Speaker 1You try and have a logical conversation with some people that you know deny it, and what do they do? They no longer want to talk about what you're talking about. They want to actually destroy you personally and try and cut you out at the knees. They go around the back door. Like we said, they're going around the back door. Hang on a second. That's not what we're talking about here. This is what we're talking about here, but you want to go around the back and you're attacking me, like that's different. You're shifting the goalposts for what To undermine and then to try and destroy because you don't like the truth, and that's what we're seeing so much of. Look inside the politics of today. Look, it's what. Like that's what charlie was really championing is like we're gonna call this out. This shit's gonna stop so charlie?
Speaker 2charlie was bringing the truth into the marketplace, where there is perhaps the highest concentration of lies. Modern culture, politics, all of this, all of this, all of this, this, uh, the woke agenda, yep, all of this, uh, virtue signaling all of this is, is, is is absolute, damnable lies, and, and charlie was bringing the truth of the gospel into that arena. Yeah, and that's really what is what was colliding and that's why he was so hated by the other side, because, um, well, a couple things. Here is the, the presentation of the truth always, um, has a couple effects. One is it will. It will humble you, right, it'll humble you.
Speaker 2What is the truth? The truth is you know great way to get overweight? Have no mirrors around. Never look in the mirror, right, never look in the mirror. But then I go to the gym and there's mirrors everywhere. Well, I look at the mirror and I'm like, wow, I'm not quite as trim as I thought I was. You're humbled because you can't get away from it. Of course, then they have the mirror. Some mirrors make you look thinner and it's like the department store. So then, the mirror, right, but that's not the way the word of God is. The way the word of God is. It shows you exactly why everything is the way it is and then it hands you the answer. But all of it, jesus, and again, to follow Jesus.
The Gospel as the Only Solution
Speaker 2You're talking about inclusion, right? All this stuff with the politics of inclusion and all this kind of stuff, all of those things are counterfeit facsimiles of the truth. Everyone's included. We've got to include everyone. Nobody can be left out, and so, as a result, everybody has to worship the way somebody feels, yeah, okay, and look, this is. But hey, you know what? This has been one of the things that has stifled followers of Christ. It's stifled the I'll have you consider the Australian man. It's stifled the American man. It's stifled the British man. It's stifled the Polish man. I mean, you're seeing it across the world right now and everybody said, well, it's because it has a ringing of the truth. It says, well, we want everybody to be included. So I can't really, but I know something's wrong. I don't really want to put the rainbow on my logo and I don't want like all this stuff. So I kind of just shrink back and maybe it'll go away.
Speaker 1Yeah, we don't talk, we go passive.
Speaker 2You go passive because stiff upper lip. I'll just deal with it. I'll handle my stuff. I'm going to manage my farm, I'm going to manage my business. I'm not going to deal with all of that. I'm not going to. You know, I just. But it's a. It's a slippery slope that happens. Here's what it's trying to have a facsimile of. Is that? Guess what? All can come to Christ.
Speaker 2It doesn't matter slave nor free, greek nor Jew. Your background doesn't matter. How bad you are doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're a murderer or you're five years old and you're an innocent child. You want to talk about inclusion. Following Christ is the widest gate, but it's also the narrowest, because the thing that it requires is that you sacrifice your pride on the sideline. You have to sacrifice your pride to obey the Lord, the King of Kings. Obey him. What does he ask you to do? Does he ask you to go and sacrifice? Does he go and ask you to? No, his yoke is easy. He asks you to sacrifice your pride. He asks you to sacrifice your own wisdom for his. He asks you to sacrifice your pride, as he asked you to sacrifice your own wisdom for his, ask you to sacrifice um idolatry of worshiping all these things that have failed you.
Speaker 1I think that there's in that coach, like we, that's the hardest thing, like I mean, like what you've just spoken there, across the board, I think there is such a profound and very like we need to. We need to, we need to really expose this for what it is inside of our own lives. Like, I think, when you put that example of when you go to the gym, okay, like if you, if you want to, you want to be fat, just have no mirrors anywhere so you never are reflected, okay, um, and that's what holds people back from wanting to actually go to the gym and start something is if they have to actually admit that there's, they've got a problem. Yeah, that there is a problem, and and and to be humbled by that, which is directly in opposition to our very nature, like this is what's happening is that we want to run the other direction, we don't want to take responsibility, we don't want to to say, hey, guess what?
Speaker 1I'm fat, I'm fat, I'm fat and this is the truth, this is the way, and if I don't do something about it, I will die. Not to mention, my wife can't bear the smell of me, can't bear to touch me, can't bear the smell of me, can't bear to touch me, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, and I haven't had sex in three years, five years, whatever. It is okay, that's a problem, but we don't want to go there. We'd rather bury ourselves in some other way, shape or form, pick your poison. Way. Shape or form, pick your poison. Like really, we've become such a sedated population because this slow drip of you know.
Speaker 1You know it's okay, you're acceptable, you're acceptable, you're acceptable, you're acceptable. And then what do we get? We go from the mad max uh image. We go from that anzac, that those trim guys of the ofs of the early 1900s et cetera, like that that have just prepared it you have to just go for it, okay, and stand by your mates To what we see now, which is basically it's everywhere Shit. It was in the schoolyard the other day. I was just watching. This is only a micro sort of example, but you know, went to a Father's Day breakfast the other day and it's like there are several different games of bull rush going on in the yards and stuff like that. Like why can't we all just play together and have all the dads together? It's like no, these are the rules, and everyone's like rules, rules, rules, rules, and otherwise nobody gets included or nobody gets a prize when they win like yeah, yeah, I don't know competitions and stuff like that.
Speaker 1It's like whoa, come on, what's going on. What's going on here?
Speaker 2I'm going to drop, like I'm going to drop like dude, like I don't, you know, I mean, I have a where are the men in Australia, like, what, like so here's, I've been to Australia one time in person and I was.
Speaker 2I was like wait a minute, this feels like California. I'm like this is like I don't really feel like I'm in a different place. Um it like culturally it feels like it felt like california, um, at least where I was right and I was in melbourne and and whatever, and I was like this is fun, it just feels familiar. We're not that different, right, we're, um, but the where are the men in in australia? Because you know, it's I, I I ask, uh, you know I think about. I'll go back to this.
Speaker 2Early in my sales career I was working inside sales and things were going well and my boss came to me and he said he was one of my mentors. He said, hey, we need to hire some more guys. Can you find some more guys so you guys can do these calls and we can get more appointments and leads and sales? And it's amazing, can you build a whole group like this? And I was working for a software company at the time and I said, well, I said, hey, brian, his name is Brian. I said, brian, kind of, what kind of qualifications are you looking for? Then he goes. I'll never forget it. He goes who'd have your back in a bar fight? Hire them. And I was like, oh well, and I was playing rugby at the time this is in Huntington beach, california I knew exactly who I was going to go get. I was going to go get my Kiwi mate, my Australian mate, my other mates, my other mates from the team. I knew exactly who I'd go get. I'd have men that would have my back.
Speaker 2And so, cognitively, when I think and I think this is probably true for most Americans that whenever we think of the global stage, who has our back, who would have our back, bro, the Aussies will come, the Kiwis will come, the Brits will come, right, I mean, goodness gracious, where does James Bond come from? But James Bond is masculine certainty. I mean, he's a hero. He's a hero that all men want to be. You know it's masculine. I'm going to defend the weak, right. I mean, he's got his own flaws right, he needs the gospel. But the archetypes are there who in the as the United States, who would have our back, and the ones that come to my mind are where are the Australians? Where are the Kiwis, maybe? Where are the South Africans, some of them, although. And then, where are the Brits? Forget Canada, except Western Canada, and they'll come right. There's pockets everywhere, but they've been quiet for too long.
Speaker 2And so what's happened, lord willing, is that Charlie Kirk has shown what it looks like to love your friends to the end, and that's why Charlie Kirk, charlie Kirk's, stand against this, these, these, these counterfeit lies and facsimiles of the gospel, really, across the world, it resonated and people know it, and you can't, you can't, you can't deny it. And I think what's happened is people are enraged by two things. One is there's a there's a feeling of inspiration of what it looks like to love all the way to the end, and then now, the other side of this is that the enemy is revealed With the reactions that it's probably I don't know that it's, I mean at a global scale. When have we ever had, like we have in the last 48 hours, a global outpouring of celebration of the death of a person, of a father of two children? One of the narratives that these children one day will look upon is that there was a portion of the world that celebrated the murder of my father in front of me.
Speaker 2The enemy has shown his hand. Here's one thing that we all need to know Pride makes you stupid. Pride makes you stupid. The enemy thought that he could silence Charlie Kirk. The opposite has happened. Just like Stephen, we got to silence this kid. He's telling the truth. We got to get him some way we can, and the opposite happened. Because you silenced Charlie Kirk, you didn't silence him. His message, which is the gospel, is now louder, and there are people right now that were that there were, saw.
Speaker 2There were sauls on tuesday, there pauls on friday yeah and I and and lord willing, that's what we're seeing break out across the world is a whole transition of people that were either absolute enemies, that have now gone and said I can't stand on this side of liberalism and this inclusion. There is no sin, it's all objective reality, and I can't stand on that side anymore. That's one side. There's another side that has said I'm, I am convicted because I, I have not said anything, I haven't preached the gospel, I haven't told the truth, I'm continuing to worship all the idols and, uh, if Charlie can do it, then the Holy spirit that indwelt him, I'm a follower of Christ, I can do it too.
Speaker 2And who am I not to? Because, oh yeah, by the way, that's your command, bro Go into all the world and preach the gospel to make disciples everywhere. So, if you are a follower of Christ, go, act like one and preach the word. What To bring and to do like here's the final piece of this is that all those enemies that just got exposed, that are sitting there on TikTok and social media and all these places and celebrating and chaos and whatever, what that should give all of us that follow Christ, all that is is a target. For what? Forgiveness and prayer, because those people that are celebrating Charlie Kirk's death, just like Saul did, can be Paul's tomorrow and there was a man.
Speaker 2if we know the story of Paul, there's a man that the Lord comes to and says hey, you're going to see this guy named Paul, you're going to bring him into your shelter, you're going to take care of him for three days. And Paul, who was? You know, this is wild and I'm processing this real time, but these people we saw on TikTok approving of the murder, that was Saul. So our hope can be is that those people that were approved the murder. There may be videos in a year from now where they say, yeah, that was me. It was in that moment that I got knocked off my horse a few days later, when a brother or sister in Christ, instead of coming at me and hating me back, they told me about the truth gently and with love, man, you want to change the world.
Speaker 2That's it, that's the only way's.
The Call for Men to Gather
Speaker 1that's the only way, it's the only way I think that it's a really important message because I think what, like what we sort of see, is there's a massive division. You know, conservative, liberal, you know all these these sort of um ideologies and standpoints that uh like to divide us from our fellow uh, brothers and sisters and and other people just people, your neighbor for crying out loud, yeah, um, and it's, and it's like. You know, one of the things, one of the the more powerful conversations that I saw charlie have was with somebody who was of the lgbt, the LGBTQ community, and was, you know, ultimately very confused and unwell and was accusing him of hating the community, which he doesn't. And, to their credit, they gave him the space to explain what it was that he. You know what he thought of them and he said you know, I love them, I do not have any hatred for them at all, it's just that, you know, I don't have to agree with their idea.
Speaker 2Well, he would say I loved you enough to tell you the truth. Yeah, right, because here's the thing All of these and this is, I hope whoever listens to this takes this on board there are no parties. There are no parties, there are no races, there are no communities. Really, these are all labels that we've created, that the enemy creates to separate and divide. There's only two categories of people in the world, in the universe there are those that follow Christ and those that are enemies of Christ, and it is that's it period, period, and it is the job of those. It is Period and it is the job of those. It is the mission, it's the command of those that follow Christ to tell all the ones that are not yet following Christ about him. Why? Because we love, because, out of love, not because of anything, we want them to be set free.
Speaker 2The transgender person that comes in, the LGBT, these are all people that are imprisoned. They're imprisoned by their own sin, they're imprisoned by their strongholds, they're imprisoned demonically. There's all these things, but Jesus showed examples of handling all of those Right, all of those Right. Now there are going to be those that, as we see, if you read Romans 1, if you want to see an explanation of the current world, with these people celebrating death. It's all written out there. By the way, none of this is new. All of this is nothing's new under the sun.
Speaker 1This has always been this way, which I think, if you pick up, if you actually pick up the bible and you read it, you come to recognize how much it reflects exactly the the times today. It's, it's timeless, like it. Just. It just exposes exactly what we are, yeah, um, as as a human race I'll only read it.
Speaker 2if you want to understand everything, I'll only it. If you want to understand everything, I'll only read it if you want to have your big question marks that are in your mind. Why am I here? Where did we come from? What's my purpose? Why is things the way they are? Why do good things happen to bad things happen to good people? Oh yeah, by the way, there are no good people Like what are all the answers in my life? Every answer to every question is in the word of God. It's not what you've been told, which is it's a book of stories and things.
Speaker 2It's not. I used to think the same thing, I 100% came from there. But I mean, look at this, look at this description and tell me it doesn't look like what we see on the web. Over the celebrations of death. Romans 1.28.
Speaker 2And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, charlie brought God the gospel to them. They did not see fit to acknowledge God. God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. In other words, he gives them what they want and in that there's more judgment heaped on them. And they were filled look at this all manner of what? Unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They were full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastfulful inventors of evil. Have we not seen evil invented in the last four or five years? I mean hello, drag queen story hour, hello put, uh, hello. Make correct me if I'm wrong. Did they go? Did they take out bluey? Who's the one did they get? Did we get transgender and bluey, I think I mean the australian and actually followed that one up.
Speaker 1But I've been trying to keep an eye on that as well, but I'm pretty sure it was. It was pretty close it was.
Speaker 2It was a bluey, or one of that. Anyway, I hope bluey.
Speaker 2We love you australian expo wonderful australian export from from in many purposes, although they they do, to make the data a little bit kind of uh, but but like, how do you invent the idea of? I'm going to put this stuff into a cartoon? Which right inventors of evil, right, yeah, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless, and though they did not, they did not, and though they know god's righteous decree, in other words, they know what's right and wrong and that those who practice such things deserve to die. They not only do them, but then give approval to those who practice them. I'm approving that this guy shot Charlie Kirk in the throat and murdered him in front of his children. I'm going to approve of that.
Speaker 2These are people with a debased mind. These are people that have a hardened mind. These are people with a debased mind. These are people that have a hardened mind. And our job? It doesn't serve anybody for us to sit here and go. Why are they so horrible? Why are they so horrible? We were all once that person, so our job is go. Oh, I see somebody. I can't. Like you know, here would be a radical thing. Every time we see somebody on one of these social media things celebrating. What if they became a target for prayer in that moment. Yeah, what if they became like a target for the gospel, right and that's? But that's what I would have us all realize.
Speaker 2We have all been, as men, as followers of Christ, hesitant to do. Because I will tell you this there is nothing more powerful in the universe than the gospel preached straight. You don't need anything else other than what we've talked about on this podcast. The gospel and the word of God is just preach it straight to anyone and the Holy Spirit does the rest. It is not up to you. But when are we going to stop tolerating? We become liars when we do not call sin sin. And that's what's happened in Australia. That's what's happened in Australia, right? That's what's happened in the United States. That's what's happened all over the place.
Speaker 1But, lord willing, the tide is turning. I think, when you're speaking about creators of sin and we sort of look at you know, talking about Bluey, and there are, you know you flick on anything these days and you look at what is out there that is attempting to, you know, distract you or to try and implement ideas and have, you know, people that are unaware consider these, as you know, okay, or you can tolerate these sorts of ideas or these sorts of actions that are happening around you, like you sort of said. You know, look at Drag Queen's story. You know, something like that would never have been allowed through the front door.
Speaker 1Yet what we look at here, bq, is is we sort of say, okay, what is a man, what is a man to do like, what is a man to do in the face of of this?
Speaker 1And we look at how high the stakes are, okay, if, if you're prepared to say, shit, this place is a real mess, like, like we've got a, we've got a big bloody problem on our hands here. Those years of yesteryear, those archetypes, they're dying in short order and what we're seeing is we're seeing a whole lot more chaos and we're seeing our young sons and daughters becoming targets for these crazy ideologies and things like that, and it's like, okay, so what do you do? It's, it's a you know, what do you say to a man who has allowed the door to be wide open to the influences and the predations of these sorts of creators of sin? Um and uh, and, and he and he looks at his at his home now and sees, because the pain's there, you know whether it's, you know his daughter's run off or the or his son's in a lot of trouble and looking at stuff, or he's, he's got addictions and things like that. What do you say to a man?
Speaker 2that's, that's at that point well, I mean, look, you have to. This is why Charlie's inspiring, because what everyone is exposed, all men look. The world has gotten. All these problems are downstream and you and I both know all of the problems of the world societal problems are downstream from men not leading. Why don't men lead? Because it costs them something, and if it costs them something they're worshiping. If it costs them their job, it costs them. Your wife might be upset If it costs them, friends, if it costs them community, here's what's been called out. The world has shifted to where it has gotten.
Speaker 2This apathy, this spiritual apathy and darkness that invades that place, no different than the Garden of Eden, when Adam stopped leading and he let the serpent talk to his woman instead of him. When that happens and you are not willing to pay for what like, but again, it's all a lie, right, if you're a follower of Christ, it's already paid for. You have an eternal bank account of your faith that you know where you're going to go. But following him means that you'll have to take up a cross. But following him means you'll have to drop your nets. But it shows up in things like this hey, we're not going to watch that. And, by the way Bluey did introduce some LGBTQ blah, blah, blah something Subtly they did. So it becomes that thing of wait a minute. Bluey was a kind thing and it was a funny show, but now I can't trust what they're. Well, that's going to upset my kids. They love Bluey. What are you willing to sacrifice? Are you going to sacrifice your kids being upset? Well, if they're upset then my wife might get upset, and if my wife gets upset then I might not get laid. So I mean, maybe it's not so bad if the kids watch Bluey, I'll tell them about it. It's just that slippery.
Speaker 2But what Charlie showed was you love enough to go all the way? I love them to the end to lay down your life for your friends, them to the end, to lay down your life for your friends. And that's the call that we've got to put out. That's the call that we've got to follow. Where, right now in our life, do we need to lay down our life for those that we love? And for most of us, it's not going to be a bullet in the neck. For most of us, it's going to be confessing our sin, forgiving those that we haven't forgiven, taking a stand that, as for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord. Well, that's going to upset some people, so be it. So be it. If you love them enough, you will upset them. That's and and like that's where. That's where the men of australia they got to stand up. Yeah, that's where the many united states they got to stand up, the brits they got to stand up, and I think we're seeing it.
Speaker 2I think we're seeing it, but the next part of this is the men that are convicted at this moment need to gather. The men that are convicted at this moment need to gather. The men that are convicted at this moment need to fortify each other. They need to encourage, they need to build communities. Let us not like Hebrews it's in Hebrews. Let us not do like some and neglect to gather so that we can stir each other up to good works as the day approaches.
Speaker 2What's that day?
Speaker 2The day Jesus comes back. It means the clock is running and if you're awake, if you're following Christ or you're hearing from him now and the voice is speaking, the Holy Spirit is speaking to you, you're saying what is this? Open your Bible today, find a brother or sister in Christ, talk to them, pray with them, be encouraged and then do that thing that your flesh doesn't want you to do, which is most likely stop, turn and run from the idol. Burn the idol, turn away from the sin, forgive the person that's hurt you, stop carrying that 400 pound rucksack around the outback of a thousand years of unforgiveness. And then ask who do I need to lay my life down from? Who is being presented in front of me that I could lay my life down from out of love?
A Rallying Cry to Australian Men
Speaker 2And then, oh yeah, a great question to ask is oh, once I've recognized this, who has loved me that way? Because I guarantee you that if you take a minute and quit focusing on yourself for just a second, you'll look around and go, wait a minute. Who's loved me that way? I think what we're all experiencing is that Charlie Kirk loved all of us that way and, as a result, we have a conviction and the Holy Spirit is working. So, lord willing, it sweeps across Australia, sweeps across the world and the enemy's plans when he thought he had this thing. I'm going to shut down this, stephen, this Charlie Kirk. He's just done the opposite. Now there's more people in their word, there's more people in their Bible. Today, there's more people talking about Jesus than there were two days ago, and what a glorious thing. Praise be to God.
Speaker 1Yeah, amen, absolutely. That's so true, so true. Bq, it hasn't done what they'd hoped. No, this age and age of communications we've just seen everything you click on at the moment there he is, know, and his message is just be like compounding amen. It's not doing the other way.
Speaker 1And the despicable act. When you actually see, you know the result of the action. You know the love that his wife had for him, yeah, the certainty she had in him, knowing that she was covered and held by him and by his certainty in the lord, grounded in in in this masculine spiritual certainty, um, that is something that every man, every red-blooded man, yearns for. They want to see the beautiful look in their wives' eyes that adores him.
Speaker 1Knowing that, as I come home, I am both loved and I am supported that there is peace, because I'm grounded and I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. I'm just you know that I'm standing at the gate, yeah, and I'm making sure the good things are what are happening inside of my home, not being distracted by all these other things that seem to get in the way and we allow ourselves to like we get a handle on ourselves. Yeah, we finally say I'm like we get a handle on ourselves. Yeah, we finally say I'm gonna get a handle on myself and I'm going to put that aside and look for what is good. Why? Because the stakes are high.
Speaker 1so I sorted a man who just got shot in the throat for it, and and it's, and it's, and I'm like I'm done with this. I'm done with this. We need to be done with this. We don't have any more time. Like don't have any.
Speaker 2We don't have any more time, don't have any time, and if you have children, you have children. The stakes are high, right? So here's where I'll leave this, because I have a date night with my youngest daughter and that's part of the stakes. Here's where I'm going'm gonna leave. This is, you know, to the Australian brothers.
Speaker 2It's time, it's time to gather, it's time to quit being quit making us ask where are you? You've got to take back your country from. You've got to bring God into the center, and you've got. You've got to be, you've got to be, um, violently prayerful and you've got to overwhelm the enemy with prayer and you've got to overwhelm the enemy with certainty. And the way you need, you need to do that is you've got to gather around the word of God and around the gospel and and retake the retake the island man, anzac style, like there needs to be a rallying cry and Joshua, you and others there, that needs to go out big time.
Speaker 2I mean there are men and perhaps, look, there are men just like that are just waiting to find where are my other brothers. A lot of them are going to be found out there on the farms, man. They know what the hard to do hard things are when you don't want it is. There's a reason Adam was a farmer. There's some element of that in the men of the land that the rest of the world needs, a quiet certainty that comes from knowing that, by the way, you're not controlling everything. I think most farmers know we plant and we tend, but God does the growing. We have to be patient, but there needs to be that certainty.
Speaker 2And but my encouragement for the Australians brothers, you gotta, you gotta, gather and, by the way, don't forget your Kiwi brothers across the water. Go, get all of them down there in the Southern hemisphere and activate. And when I say activate, it's going to be about being bold, about the gospel setting people free Romans 8.1, because you never know when we might need you. We never know when we might need you and I want to know that you've got our back and you know that we have yours. So, yeah, man, I appreciate you having me on, because it'd be a lighthouse to the outback, um and uh, it needs to be a lighthouse to the outback because, uh and so, if you're hearing this, uh, my encouragement, we, you need to pray for Joshua and Stephanie and the family there, and then you need to take action today, um, to reach out, to connect, to network, to gather.
Speaker 2Warrior Week Australia it's coming. What is that? It's a gathering. It's to build units of men that can support and care for each other and burn through the lies of what's happened in Australia. It's to take a stand. So I encourage you, reach out, find out when that is, get connected. It's all about how do we train ourselves to be like Charlie. So thank you, brother.
Speaker 1Thank you so much, Coach BQ. Thank you very much for coming on the podcast and we'll talk later.
Speaker 2Let's do it again, absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1God bless mate All right brother. Thank you very much. God bless yeah.
