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(Chats - 5-22-19) How to Fight Back When Supervisors Block Your Federal Work Injury

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Are you a federal employee struggling to get your work injury reported? This week on Wednesday Night OWCP Chats, Chris and Gini get fired up about one of the biggest roadblocks federal workers face: supervisors illegally impeding injury claims.

From hiding forms to forcing you into the wrong doctor’s office, bad management can ruin your claim and cost you thousands. In this episode, we break down the exact CFR codes, your absolute OSHA rights, and the step-by-step actions you need to take to protect your job and get your claim approved. Do not let management push you around—know your rights and fight back!

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • [00:06:45] The OSHA Violation: Why a supervisor preventing you from reporting an injury is a direct safety violation (and exactly what number to call to report it).
  • [00:08:45] Your Right to Choose: How CA-810 (Section 6) guarantees your right to pick your own doctor, and why going to the "company doctor" or an Urgent Care often results in an automatic denial.
  • [00:17:40] The Golden Form (CA-16): Why you must demand a CA-16 form within 4 hours of your injury to get your first 60 days of medical bills paid.
  • [00:22:45] The 30-Day Myth: Did your supervisor say you only have 30 days to report an injury? They are lying. You actually have up to 3 years.
  • [00:24:00] Supervisor Penalties: The fines and legal penalties supervisors face when they wrongfully impede a FECA claim.
  • [00:39:50] 5 Ways to Protect Yourself: The ultimate checklist for fighting back against management retaliation (Grievances, EAP, EEO, OSHA, and the Labor Board).

Important Resources Mentioned:

  • Report Safety Violations: Call OSHA at 1-800-321-OSHA (6742).

Join the Conversation! If this episode helped you, please hit share and send it to five federal coworkers who need to know their rights. Don’t forget to subscribe to Wednesday Night OWCP Chats so you never miss an update on protecting your federal career.

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Wednesday Night OWCP Chats with Chris & Gini

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Hey everyone, welcome to Wednesday night OWCP chats with Chris and Jeannie.

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Live from Texas.

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Live from Dallas. Yeah, so I know you guys read my little uh post on my Facebook page about TSA, so I want to give thumbs up to all the TSA agents that said hello and say they watch me and my husband. And I asked Chris and I don't know what the answer is yet. But do you know who my husband is?

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My ear's not working tonight.

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I don't know what's going on. Anyway, um, we have a lot going on this week, and so we had to do this early because Chris's son, Aaron, is graduating, and we are going to graduation dinner tonight.

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From high school.

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From high school, yeah. And uh then we'll be going back to Florida so my son can graduate. So we have a lot going on this week, but as normal, we are always dedicated to make sure that we get our Wednesday night chats in so you guys are educated and informed about different things going on in the OWCP world. So, with that said, tonight we're gonna talk about everyone's favorite people at the post office.

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Not just the post office.

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Supervisors, the post office, all federal agencies. We've heard a lot of the names as stupid visors. We don't say that. We don't say that, but we've heard it many times. But uh we don't understand why supervisors do what they do, why they get the way that they do, and the only thing that we can think of is one, they just got promoted, they're being nasty, or they just don't know the laws and the rules. So, with that said, tonight make sure you guys are taking notes and uh listen in because this is going to be very, very informative, and all the rules and the laws and the CFR codes that Chris has gone over multiple times, so you can protect yourself and your job and anything that they happen to throw out at you. So let's get started.

SPEAKER_03

Before I get going, I'm normally like this becomes like a joke, and she'll give me a funny look, and I say no, it's not a joke. So, before all that, listen, this is not a joke, this is not a request anymore. Now I'm just telling you to do it. You've got to get Twitter, and you need to do it now. Take the time to make it happen. Go get a Twitter account. Once you're all set up, go and search and find the at Sign Fed Injury Center. At Fed Injury Center. You know, I've been playing it off like it's not a big deal, but seriously, it's a huge deal. Everything I'm gonna tell you tonight is there. So you can take notes, you can write down all the CFRs that I'm gonna talk about, and you can try to keep up with me as I talk, or you can go read it on Twitter because it's already there. So you've got to go to Twitter, get an account, and find at Fed Injury Center and follow it and like it, and whatever. You don't have to follow anybody else, uh, but you do need to follow me because I'm putting things on there that are gonna protect you against your supervisor. Um, there are 2.8 million federal employees, and as of today, there are 157 Twitter followers. Like, come on. So everyone is responsible for telling someone that we'll have you know anywhere from 10 to 15,000 people that will view this and 157 Twitter followers. But all of these laws and rules and the regulations, I'm posting them there so that you have them to use, like in real time with management. So get on there right now and get a Twitter account and follow at Fed Injury Center. This is not a joke, dead serious. You may think Twitter is a joke, and I do too. Really, it's it can be a nightmare. But if you only follow one account, it's not a big deal. So do it.

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Yeah, and uh one more thing, two more things. I got my shirt. Hashtag file a grievance, folks.

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Hashtag where's mine?

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Hashtag I didn't make one for him. You know, I said I was gonna make it. Anyways, please don't forget to share this video because I saw the amount of shares. I think there was like over 180 shares just on the post about this topic tonight, which is awesome. So thank you everyone for doing that. So go ahead and start sharing this video. Don't forget to like and follow so you can watch us every week at uh somebody's calling me on uh Wednesday night OW2P chats with us on different things, different topics, different training. So, right now, before uh Chris gets started, I'm giving you five seconds to share with five federal friends, your Facebook groups, and friends that really need this information on supervisors. Because if I had 180-something shares just on the post, then that that means that there's a lot of you wanting this information, and um let's get started.

SPEAKER_03

So, who needs information about supervisors? Let me nail this down.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

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Number one, you need it, number two, all of your coworkers need it, and number three, your supervisors need it. Now they're not gonna watch this, but anybody feel free and share it with any supervisors. I would really appreciate it because I'm gonna address them directly uh throughout this uh this hour that we're doing this, because what they're doing is just um unconscionable and uh on the verge of criminal, and I'll show you how. And when I say criminal, I'm not exaggerating. There are some things that supervisors are doing that are a crime to do, and we need to put a stop to it. So, um, supervisors, I'm talking to you. Uh, my message to you is simply cut it out because your employees are gonna make you cut it out, and I know they're gonna make you cut it out because they're not gonna continue ignoring what I'm telling them, and eventually it's gonna be too painful for you to continue. Um, let me start with a story that uh I got today. I'm not gonna list the lady's name or where she's from, but there was a woman who um had a job injury. It was said originally that it was a sprain. Uh later it was found that she had tears all the way, including her Achilles tendon, and she ended up with surgery, and the scar was a huge scar. And the supervisor was sending her back to work carrying her route, and it's made it worse. So um I'm gonna say this throughout this uh this broadcast as well. 1-800-321-OSHA. Write it down. 1-800-321-OSHA.

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Yep.

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Anytime you're not sure if what a supervisor is doing to you is a safety violation, call 1-800-321-OSHA and ask. Ask. My doctor's got me on walking restrictions and I'm walking my normal route with a six-inch scar on my ankle. Is that a safety violation? Ask. My LLB caught on fire and my supervisor told me to go back into it and get my boxes out. Is that a safety violation? My supervisor won't allow me to report and file my work injury. Is that a safety violation? Supervisors. It's a safety violation. Uh OSHA has 10 things on their um on their page that are employee rights. Thing number six is employees have the right to report work injuries. When you prevent them from reporting a work injury, you're violating number six of the ten employee rights on OSHA. I think that's a violation, and enough of your employees are gonna start calling and asking that you're gonna find out it's a violation. So cut it out. Employees, you have a right to report injuries. It is one of the ten rights that OSHA lists. Why did they put that as one of the ten and not something else? You have a right to report injuries. So I'm gonna get uh to more of that in a second. But here's another thing that's happening. So you get hurt, and your supervisor says to you, you have to go to the doctor I'm sending you to. Right? Everyone's heard that. They say you gotta go to the urgent care, or there's this ER, or there's this family practice, or whatever. Probably not a family practice because they have their reasons. But they send you the doctor. You get there, and who sees you? A nurse practitioner, nine times out of ten. If a nurse practitioner signs things, it's an automatic denial. You can't get an approval with a nurse practitioner's signature, so you're being sent there to a denial. It's like a black hole of denials. Don't go there. But here's the thing: there's a form called a CA810-810. It's the injury compensation for federal employees, it's a manual. Section 63, letter A says an employee is entitled to initial choice of physician. What does that mean? It means that you're entitled to pick your own doctor. They can't send you to any doctor you don't want to go to. You can choose their doctor, but they can't choose a doctor for you. So don't let anybody tell you you have to go to the company doctor. You have to know it's your right to choose your own. It's also written in the CA 10 what a federal employee should do when entered at work. Uh, the second section of the CA 10 says you have a right to choose your doctor, just like this does. But here's the other thing this says it says agency personnel may not interfere with your right to choose a physician.

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Yep.

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You get to choose, and they can't do anything about it. So, supervisors, when your employees decide to go to their own doctor, get out of the way. It's none of your business where they go. They have a right to choose their doctor. And here's the other thing: nor may the supervisor, the employer, require an employee to go to a physician who's employed by or under contract to the agency. You can't make them go to your doctor, and that's the law, and that's in a CA810. It's a manual for everybody, including you, supervisors. So cut that out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I know there's a lot of new people on that have added us on Facebook, and I've added a lot of you two uh around everywhere, and I'm getting a lot of hello. So when I'm saying hello, please don't forget to share and like and follow our page. Please share this. I mean, we see there's almost 150 people watching.

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Make it 300.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, let's get it because at the end of this, I'm expecting it to be a total of over 5,000 people in the last hour. But we know we came on a little early, so uh don't forget to if those of you that are are coming on after, hashtag replay, let us know what you think about it. Give us some hearts and thumbs up about the stuff that Chris is talking about.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and if you're a supervisor and you don't like what I'm talking about, good. So here's the next thing. Um, you can write this down or you can follow me on Twitter at Fed Injury Center. The code of federal regulations, 20 CFR 10.300, 20 CFR 10.300. Letter B says, and we're still talking about your right to choose a doctor. So let's recap. You have a right to choose, your supervisor can't force you to go to their doctor, they have to get out of your way. Okay? But letter B of 20 CFR 10.300 goes farther, and this is the law. The employer should advise the employee of the right to his or her initial choice of position. What? Not only can they not send you to their doctor, but they're required to tell you you can choose your own doctor, and they never do it. I mean, supervisors, write this down. 20 CFR 10.300. You should probably post this like at your workstation, right next to a CA 10 that you don't have posted, and let people know they have a right to choose. Quit making them go to places to get their claims accepted or denied, excuse me. Quit making them go to places that get their claims denied. Excuse me, but that's bullshit. Stop doing that. The second sentence on that law, the 20 CFR 10.300B, is the employer shall allow the employee to select a qualified position. So it's another place that says the employer shall, that's absolute, allow you to pick your own doctor. Why is this so important? Because there are six categories of doctors that get claims denied. Okay, don't write these down because when I get to the end, you'll go, why don't I write this down? All right, category one of doctors that get claims denied, okay, is primary care physicians. And I'm sorry, there's a lot of great doctors, and I love you all. Uh there are many of you that are world-class doctors, but primary care physicians get claims denied. Urgent care doctors get claims denied because they primarily use nurse practitioners. ER doctors get claims denied because they don't have time for a five or six-page narrative. Orthopedic surgeons and other specialists get claims denied because they specialize in surgery or whatever their specialty is. They don't write six-page narratives, they don't have time for that. VA doctors. VA doctors are world-class doctors for sure, but they're not trained in OWCP. They get their claims denied. And sixth is chiropractors. Because aside from the ones that I know, they don't know anything about OWCP. And so guess what? That's every category of doctor. You need a you need an opportunity to find an OWCP trained doctor. And those that's a specialty that's small.

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Yeah.

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Okay, orthopedic doctors specialize in surgery. OWCP doctors specialize in getting claims accepted. Period. You have a right to go find that doctor. So that's the problem with choosing your own doctor. And it's coming up because supervisors continually make people go someplace else that they don't want to go to. You have a right to say no. Exercise that right. Now here's my exclaimer. Uh, if your arm is hanging off by skin, go to the urgent care of the ER and get that fixed. If you got bit by a dog, go to the ER, get that fixed. If you're bleeding out, go to the ER, get that fixed. But then go find an OWCP doctor. It's your right to choose.

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I'm gonna stop just a second. So, D, you said where how can we find an OWCP doctor? Well, there's a few ways how. One, you can call me at 877-787-OWCP. Uh, we are a part of what is it, nine offices? Nine offices with federal injury centers, like his shirt says uh Birmingham, Montgomery, uh, Memphis, Clearwater, Florida, Worcester, Norwood, Woburn, and Okay, so that's it actually. So that's one way you can find. You can also go to Google and type in D-O-L and then the little type-in ACS. And you're gonna go through some stuff that says, you know, provider search, accept fika, and go back down to the provider search and type in your state and your physician MD. Does that sound complicated? It is complicated. I even have a problem with it.

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I don't want you to do that. I don't want you to go to ACS, but you need to know that it's there. You have a right to go look, but you're gonna call 10 or 15 doctors and get 10 or 15 no's. You know, if you have the uh stamina to keep calling, then keep calling. But the other way, and I would like to tell you to find a doctor is to search OWCP injury doctor in your city. If a doctor is in your area and wants to help you, they'll be found with that search for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Um, okay, so you guys are asking OWCP doctors are hard to find. What happens when you live in an area that physicians will not accept work injury patients who are employed by the USPS?

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So I'm gonna tell you, uh, you've got to take matters into your own hand. So you have options. You can fly someplace and find a doctor that will. You can drive a long way and find a doctor that will. You can write your own report and hopefully your doctor will sign it. Um, you can have your doctor write a report and you can keep reviewing it, editing it, and have your doctor continue to change it. But you know, you may have to make a trip, you may have to travel. And a long distance trip, a road trip, an airplane flight is less painful than a deny claim. And so that's a personal decision you gotta make.

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Yeah, it's not easy, but I mean, we can't multiply doctors overnight. Uh, it takes a while, but I mean, we are here to help you. You can always message us, tell us what city and state you're in. We know the process of going on ACS is really difficult. So if you contact one of us, we'll be able to do it faster than you guys can because I do it like literally in two minutes, and then text you the names that come up.

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And I read a doctor's narrative today, uh, because you can send me your narrative if you like. And um, it was like a sentence with five bullet points. So if that was you, I hope that my advice helps. A sentence with five bullet points is a denial wait to happen. All right, so we'll ask more questions along the way, but I'm gonna hit I have a lot of stuff I want to get through today. Because the supervisors are doing a lot of things to hurt you, and together we can put a stop to that, but we can only stop it if we're all doing the same thing all the time. So we're gonna start by talking about laws. Here's the next problem. The next problem is claims are usually denied. In 2018, one out of 13 federal employees had an accepted claim. So if I ask, and if if I ask you, what percentage of your co-workers do you think have some sort of work-related condition? You're gonna say 40%, 60%, 70%, 80%, somebody's gonna scream 100, okay? The point is it's a lot, and only one out of 13 people has an accepted claim. So if your claim is not accepted, you still don't need help. So, how do you get help without paying money out of your pocket? Well, there's a form called a CA 16. Everybody needs a CA 16. If you have a CA1 claim where you got hurt in a single shift, you have a right to a CA 16. That 16 pays your bills for the first 60 days. So, all this time, 60 days of treatment with no money out of your pocket, you need this form. When you don't have it and you have a right to it, then you're paying money out of your own pocket. And times get rough, and you have a right to not pay money out of your pocket. You got hurt at work and the job should pay, okay? So you need a CA 16. But what happens is supervisors say, No, I don't have to give it to you. I don't want to give it to you, I don't know what that form is. But here's the deal: the CA 10, what a federal employee should do when injured at work, the second section says that you can choose your own doctor, but it also says, ask your supervisor to authorize care using a CA 16. That's the first place it tells them about a 16. So take a CA 10 into your supervisor when you report your injuries. That's number one. You can find all these forms on uh federal injurycenters.com. Click on the red forms tab. Uh it says OWCP forms. Click that. Get your forms. Okay, be familiar with your forms. Don't be pushed around because you're not familiar with what's going on here. We're telling you, go get a CA 10. Don't get pushed around. But back to the CA 16. The Code of Federal Regulations, 20 CFR 10.300, letter A. When an employee sustains a work-related traumatic injury that requires medical exam, medical treatment, or both, the employer shall authorize such exam and or treatment by issuing a form CA 16. It doesn't say them they might, it doesn't say if they want to. It says the employer shall authorize it. So don't leave the room without getting a CA 16. No more. And if you don't get a CA 16, file agreements. Okay, and file a grievance is gonna be one of your steps every time there's a problem. File agreements is almost gonna be universal. Everybody needs to start filing grievances, especially on the CA 16. When you don't get a CA 16, that means you're paying money out of your pocket, and that's not fair. You didn't wake up and ask to get hurt. You shouldn't have to pay out of your own pocket. So make them give you a CA 16. But in that same code, letter B says that the employer shall issue form CA 16 within four hours of the claimed injury. Four hours. When you have an injury, you request a 16, they have four hours to give it to you. Four hours and one minute, file a damn grievance. Okay, stop putting up with that. It's your right to have it. Okay, they're violating your rights, not giving you a CA 16. It's costing you money out of your pocket not getting a CA 16. Stop putting up with it. File agreements. File agreements.

SPEAKER_01

Can you, when you're talking about the CFR codes, can you slow down a little?

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Okay, yeah, I can slow down. Go to Twitter, get a Twitter account, and follow at Fed Injury Center. I swear to God, if I don't have 3,000 people tonight, you're not listening. Go to Twitter and get at Fed Injury Center. All of this stuff is there.

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Yeah, at the end I'll tell you guys if you uh about these codes. So if you need them, I'll let you know.

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At Fed Injury Center. Let me tell you how many we got so far. There was 157 before we started. And right now there's 160. Good. Three extra people. We need 3,000. Okay, tell your friends. If you're watching this right now, go to Twitter and get at FedEjCenter. All this stuff is gonna be there. I'm not gonna waste your time. I'm not gonna talk to you about what football team I'm rooting for, or who I think is gonna win the NBA finals, or what I had for dinner. Okay, you don't care, and I don't care. What I do care about is helping you get claims accepted and helping you with laws that that combat your supervisors that are giving you a hard time. So get on Twitter, get at Fed Injury Center. What other questions you have? I'll take a break.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, uh Melissa Davidson, uh, you said I'm having a hard time finding an attorney. I have two approved claims, but I'm just going through the motions because my treatments are being denied. I've been off since September 1st. How far can I go back for missed wages?

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All the way back. All the way back. And let me tell you something else. What is all the way back? So if I I wish I had a live audience here so I'd get a show of hands. But you'll all know. In fact, do this. If you've heard what I'm about to say, hit the like button a hundred times. Okay? Just hit it. Here's what I have you been told by your supervisor that you have to report your injury within 30 days. Who's been told that? You have to report your injury within 30 days of the injury. Who said that? Whoever's heard that, hit the like button a bunch of times right now.

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There you go, guys.

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You have to report your injury within 30 days. Let me tell you something. You have three years to report your injury. Don't let your supervisors prevent you from reporting injuries. You have three years. You can go back to three years ago and report your injury. Um you have three years from when you know a CA2 claim is work-related to report that injury. Don't let anybody tell you you can't report your injuries. You have three years. But supervisors are pushing you around saying you already missed your deadline, you're out. And that's not true. It's incredibly unfair. You have three years to report your injury. And supervisors, supervisors, I'm talking to you now. When someone wants to report their injury, you have one job. Fill out the CA1 or two and turn it into DOL. That's it. That's your job. Unless you can show me your medical license, get out of the way. It's not your responsibility to tell your employee that that's really not injury, or that they're not hurt that bad, or that that didn't happen on the job, or they don't look hurt. It's none of your damn business. You're not a doctor. Your job is to fill out the form and turn it into DOL. And you have 10 days to turn it in. Ten days. Do not get in the way of your employees' right to report their injury. Let me tell you what happens when you do. Do not impede an employee's right to file an injury. 20 CFR 10.16. Everybody pay attention to this one. Letter A. A number of statutory provisions make it a crime. A crime to file a false or fraudulent claim or statement with the government in connection with the claim under FICA or to wrongfully impede a FICA claim. It's a crime to wrongfully impede a FICA claim. So how do you wrongfully impede claims, supervisors? Threatening somebody's job. Making them feel like they're gonna be fired. Retaliation. Okay? Sending them a hundred miles round trip to work for a light duty job. You're doing things to make people think twice about exercising their right to report an injury that OSHA lists as their number six as an employee. When you do things to prevent them from reporting their injury, you are prevent uh committing a crime. A crime that has penalties. I wonder what those are.

SPEAKER_01

I know some of you are getting angry with Chris. This really bothers him because angry with me? Yeah, I know. Uh I didn't do it. This really bothers, no, not at you.

SPEAKER_03

164, keep it coming.

SPEAKER_01

This uh bothers him a lot. It bothers both of us because all we hear is tears over the phone, supervisors lying to you. Um, and I I hear, uh, yes, if you get injured, you report right now, the same day. Try not to wait. Don't wait. Just don't wait.

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Hold on, rest of these. So let me get to the penalties. If you're a supervisor, and by the way, if you're a supervisor, hold on, if you're a supervisor and you're on here right now and you don't like this very much, perfect. Share it with your supervisor, share it with your coworkers, let them see it too, and let them not like it too.

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

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What's the penalty for refusal to process an OWCP claim? Up to$500 or a year in prison.

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Listen to this.

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Up to$500 or a year in prison to wrongfully impede an OWCP claim. So these things are gonna start being enforced because people that are watching this are gonna start doing something about it. They're gonna learn their rights, they're gonna learn how to fight back. And all this is preventable. It's completely preventable. All you've got to do is fill out the form and turn it in. That's it. That's all you have to do. You don't have to do anything else. But you know, when you get in the way of someone's rights and file, now you're causing trouble. That's unnecessary. Just get out of the way. And on the other, the other thing about the uh filling out the form, on the CA1 form, it asks three questions. Question one, it says, uh, what did the injury happen um in the course of duty? It says uh was it due to willful misconduct and intoxication or intent to injure themselves or another? And then that you're asked, Does your knowledge of the facts of this claim agree with the injured employer of the witness? If you write a false statement on there and you know it's false, you can be fined up to$10,000 or imprisoned up to five years.

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

SPEAKER_03

If you knowingly, willfully write a false statement there, you can be heavily punished. Just cut it out. You know what? The doctor is gonna get a copy of this because the you have a you are obligated to give the copy back to the employee, and they're gonna make you famous in their narrative. They're gonna write exactly why you're wrong, and they're gonna use your name.

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Why?

SPEAKER_03

Because I train them to do it. They're gonna use your name every time. Uh the employer and you know, supervisor John Smith said this was due to willful misconduct, and um, and and they're gonna they're gonna refute it, and they're and you're gonna be wrong, and they're gonna be right, and it's gonna be a problem for you. You need to cut that out.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, those of you that are on here, and I'm I'm looking at this, I just can't, my eyes are popping out. All of you that are saying your supervisor doesn't want to fill out the form, they don't know what they're doing, they're refusing, there it says, why do supervisors prevent people turning in their paperwork for an injury? Now you have the laws use them.

SPEAKER_03

And why do they do it? I don't know, but I did read that it's illegal for them to essentially bonus for uh preventing work injuries. If a supervisor is being incentivized for redu uh reducing work injuries that are claimed, that's a penalty. Okay, that's that's a violation. And so if you ever learn of that and you can get it in writing, you can hammer them. Uh seriously hammer them. There's no reason to prevent people from filing legitimate work injury claims. Now, I don't even need to do this as a disclaimer, but let me say it. The injury needs to be legit. Okay, if you file an illegitimate claim, you can be in prison for 10 years. So, you know, don't do that. Or fined up to$10,000 for making a false claim. So don't do that, but we don't ever see that. What we see is supervisors hosing employees. Yeah, and there are penalties for that, and it should stop. So the next thing that happens is you're in there filling out your CA1 or two, and you say, Okay, uh Mr. and Mrs. Supervisor, uh, I want a copy of all that. And they say, I don't have to give you a copy. 20 CFR 10.110 letter A. 20 CFR 10.110 letter A says that uh the employer should complete the agency portion of CA1 and 2 and uh give you a receipt of notice along with copies of both sides of the CA1 and CA2. So Code of Federal Regulations says, yeah, you can get a copy. And why do you need that? Because if the supervisor wrote something on page two that's wrong, you need to be able to refute it in the medical narrative or at least have an opportunity to discuss it with them and give them a chance not to get penalized. And they should take you up on the opportunity. And then some supervisors say, I'm not gonna send this in, I'm not sending it to DOL, not until you submit proof that you're hurt from a doctor. So the Code of Federal Regulations, 20 CFR 10.110, says the employer should not wait for submittal of supporting evidence before sending the form to OWCP. They have 10 days to turn it in. I told you, supervisors, you have one job. It's like you you just had one job, okay? Fill it out and turn it in. Okay, that's it. You don't wait for medical documentation. The doctor sends medical documentation directly to the claims examiner. That's none of your business. If you want medical documentation, you can have a CA 17 or a CA20 along the way. That's what you get, and that's in the rules, and you can have what's in the rules. Uh, but you don't get to wait for it to submit these claims. Um, that's not fair and it's a violation. All right, let me take a break. Ask me some questions.

SPEAKER_01

It's getting heated here.

SPEAKER_03

Look, really, uh, if if somebody's upset that I'm upset, you're missing it uh completely because um I can't be more upset than you are. It's I can't. If I'm more upset than you, we have a problem.

SPEAKER_01

So, what can someone do if the supervisor impedes in the way of their CA1 or two?

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so number one, you're gonna file a claim with OSHA 1-800-321-OSHA. You're gonna call them.

SPEAKER_01

It's fuzzy.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it'll do that sometimes. Okay, so you're gonna call OSHA and you're gonna say, My supervisor is not letting me file my work injury claim. Is that a violation? A lot of people don't want to um make accusations, and that's fine. No problem. You gotta make a you gotta ask the question. Yeah, my supervisor is refusing to let me report my injury, refusing to let me fill up my forms. Is that a violation? Because it says it's number six on your list of ten things. Is it a violation? And then uh file agreements. File a grievance, okay? File agreements on everything. The law uh mandates that you're allowed that you can file work injury claims. If it's against the law, it's probably against your union contract. File agreements. Okay, file agreements. We need more grievances filed, way more. Way more. What other questions?

SPEAKER_01

Uh so they're asking for copies, they're not getting them.

SPEAKER_03

So I just told you the law that says they have to give you the copy, you need to take these laws into your supervisor. So the best way to do that, like, this is not a shameless plug, but check it out. Hold on. Alright, so see that that's my Federal Injury Center's uh Twitter feed. If you go there, you can just before you walk into the supervisor's office, you can find out where it's at on Twitter and just pull it up. You don't have to write this down. You can say, uh, but yeah, what about this? And that's worked. We had somebody whose supervisor threatened to fire them. And I sent them the uh the$500 and a year in prison thing, and they showed it to the supervisor, and the supervisor said, Oh, you know what, I was just upset. I'm not really gonna fire you. Like, no kidding, nobody's getting fired today. That's not happening. We can fix it. So um, at Fed Injury Center.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so Maria, you said why do supervisors prevent people from turning in paperwork?

SPEAKER_03

Because they don't want you reporting injuries. If you report an injury, you're potentially gonna get taken off of work, and then they, as a manager, have got to find coverage for the job. Too bad. You don't want to get hurt, and you probably want to get back to work as soon as possible. But nobody gets to work full duty, full capacity, as soon as possible when they're working through the injury instead of getting help. And you have a right to get help, and you need to report your injuries using these forms, and so you can get help and someone else pays for it because you shouldn't have to pay for it out of your own pocket.

SPEAKER_01

Uh Misty says she's been asking for copies and she hasn't been getting anything.

SPEAKER_03

So file a grievance. Number one, like tomorrow, go file a grievance. And number two, take a uh take a copy of this law, the code of federal regulations, and um I'm gonna tell it to you again, Misty. Okay. But uh take it to them and say, look, you're required to give this to me. Stop holding out of me. And it is uh 20 CFR, like CFR Code of Federal Regulations, 20 CFR 10.110, letter A. They have to give you the receipt of notice along with copies of both sides of form CA1 and form CA2. It's right there, it's plain English, black and white, right in the code of federal regulations, show it to them and say, are you really gonna keep preventing me from having copies of what's rightfully mine? File agreement.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I'm gonna say this again because Chris keeps repeating himself. So, my what my daughter was fired well on FML because you have three years to file your injuries. Three years from the date it happened. So, whatever supervisor is telling you no, you can't file, you have three years. Remember that. I'm gonna get another shirt that says you have three years to file.

SPEAKER_03

Three years.

SPEAKER_01

Three years. So it says my supervisor never told me to fill out a CA1 until 31 days after my injury. First of all, why didn't you file it the very first day? Always just let someone know. I mean, like we hear this, uh, we were doing the mail handlers meeting and they were talking, they didn't, you know, some people didn't know this. As long as you report it, you've got to report it, guys.

SPEAKER_03

And you can't count on your supervisors to tell you to fill out a CA1 or two, but I'll tell you this: if you reported it to the supervisor, you did your job. Now you've done it. Like the report has been made. The question I would have is where's your CA 16? You reported it, they have to give it to you within four hours of the reported injury. Where's your 16?

SPEAKER_01

And if it's four hours and one minute, you file a grievance. What my shirt says.

SPEAKER_03

So right now you should probably file a grievance. You didn't get a 16 and they didn't give you a CA1. So go back and fill it out.

SPEAKER_01

So she also, he, I'm sorry, Mr. Mitchell. I said she, and it was he. So he said, uh, so until 31 days after his injury, which you still have for years, uh, one day too late, which you're not one day too late.

SPEAKER_03

Well, it's one day too late for continuation of pay, but you reported on time. So on your CA1 form, I want you to go ahead and elect COP if that's what you want. Yeah, and he said, if that's what you want, you can elect sicker annually.

SPEAKER_01

Well, yeah. So then he said, then my caseworker told me I was no longer entitled to my 45 days continuation of pay.

SPEAKER_03

File a grievance.

SPEAKER_01

Union and I filed a grievance against a supervisor postmaster. Thumbs up.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly right, exactly right. And you know, kudos to your union for for making that happen.

SPEAKER_01

Jennifer, you're saying no one knows their rights. This is exactly why we do this every Wednesday. Take the time. If you don't have the time at the time we go live, we keep the videos up, look at what the topics are, and just get the information. We always tell the people that are watching, you guys want us to come out, ask your union president to contact me. We'll come out and do training and we give you material to take back so you guys keep this stuff.

SPEAKER_03

And share this video with your friends. Like, surely you have friends at work. Take care of your friends too. And um, you know, everyone needs to be looking at this. These these are really important topics.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you said you said no one knows all the rules and the rights because most supervisors don't want you to know exactly why we are telling you this is free information. We're not charging you. Just hop on here, read it, look up the codes, contact us, and we'll help you. Uh tell me to okay. Uh, Jim says, uh same guy about the file. I reported the injury and filed a statement. They never told me to fill anything out, anything else, until I went back to the doctors. I had never been injured on the job before, so I didn't know which forms I needed to fill out. I was just waiting for direction. We also educate you on that. If you go back to our videos, we have a video that says when to file a CA1 versus when to file a CA2. So if you scroll down, I think even last week or the week before it, that's exactly what we talked about, and we did it another time before then. All of our videos are on here. So you guys start sharing this, start telling other people. You can find out what your rights are because just come to this page so we can help you.

SPEAKER_03

Uh can I read a couple of these uh see here? Because I can see them right here. Uh so Sherry said it's the fact that you go months, all caps, without a paycheck that prevents a lot of us uh from even reporting and uh and popping ad bill all day. Listen, I get that. This is painful, this is very painful, but it's way more painful when you don't try. You know, you've got to report the injury. Okay, getting the the claim approved is step two in the process. You've got to get to step one and get the claim reported because every denial, you have 12 months from each denial to appeal.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

But if you don't ever report, you can never appeal because you never have an opportunity to win. You get a chance to win by reporting. Okay, so everyone has got to report their injuries, and they've got to they've got to require their managers to let them fill out a CA1 or two, and um, don't take no for an answer. You can't be pushed around so badly that you end up you know on disability retirement, or you end up in bankruptcy, or you end up you know depressed and anxious because you're trying to get through a day of pain doing your job. That's not fair, and nobody cares about you more than you do. We care about you very much, but you got to do this thing. You've got to report this injury. Yeah, make it happen. And unions, listen, we're with you, but you're here when it comes to OWCP for one reason is to push back and don't let supervisors push your people around. Sit with them, go to the supervisor with them, get these claims reported, have make the supervisors follow the rules, file grievances, file EEO claims, contact OSHA, file labor charges, do what it takes. Don't let your people be pushed around anymore. And this is what we're telling everybody. I'm gonna tell you now five ways to protect yourself against management. But all five of these things, with the exception of one of them, the four of them, require help from the union. And so, you know, we need the unions jumping in on this. Now, look, the union presidents I know, the stewards that I know, I wouldn't want to have to go against them. I hope you had the same experience. Um, I've heard that some of you don't. But um, I know you have a question. Let me just give you the five things and I'm gonna go through them in a second. Five ways to protect yourself against management. Number one, file a grievance. Don't be scared to file a grievance. If your supervisor doesn't like it, screw them.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

I don't care. Uh number two, contact EAP, employee assistance. Maybe this will help. Maybe it won't, but do it. Okay, do it. Maybe they can mediate for you. Uh number three, with the help of the union, file an EEO complaint. File an EEO. Okay, if they won't let you uh report your injury and they won't adhere to your work restrictions, uh, if they're not treating you fairly after a work injury, file an EEO claim, equal employment opportunity. You're not being treated equally and fairly in these cases. With the help of the union, report the incident to OSHA. 1-800-321-OSHA. Is this a violation? And then last, uh, with the help of the union, file a complaint with the labor board. Um, because you may lose some of these, but the ones you win are used as precedents in the future to help somebody in the future. So you're gonna take your lips, but win as many as you can because they're gonna take theirs too. You got a fight, okay? You gotta fight.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so this question really pisses me off. Not question, but a statement. My boyfriend broke his hand at home. Super told the supervisor using sick leave, is there anything more he needs to do? Well, he broke it at home. It's not a work injury, not a work injury, but if he broke it at work, it is.

SPEAKER_03

Oh no, god no.

SPEAKER_01

You said talk to me about you should be in the union.

SPEAKER_03

You need the help.

SPEAKER_01

You don't have to be. Yeah, if you aren't career but still employees, yes, you get the same rights as far as filing your claim.

SPEAKER_03

Everybody's a federal employee, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But I mean you won't get the backing of your union, that's the only thing. And you need it, and you do need it. So we know that you guys take money out of your savings, and a lot of you are saying on here, uh, OWCP is denying you. The reason OWCP is denying you is because you have a doctor that doesn't know about OWCP, so you can't blame OWCP.

SPEAKER_03

They're just doing their job. You need a doctor. All denials are the fault of the doctor unless you don't go to one in the first place.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

And then the denial is because you didn't do your part.

SPEAKER_01

So uh when you're filing your injuries, guys, don't forget to file it right away. Bless you. Those of you that are saying that the supervisor is saying you have 30 days, 90 days, no, you have three years. Three years, remember that. Tell all your co-workers three years.

SPEAKER_02

And that means go back. If you were hurt less than three years ago, go back.

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

SPEAKER_02

File it, it's not too late.

SPEAKER_01

You know, if you had an injury that happened today, file a CA1. If you had an injury that's been happening and it's just repeating like carpal tunnel, file a CA2. We have videos on all of this. I know you guys are saying you guys need the education. Again, there's only so much that we could do.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, we can do more, but we're doing it here.

SPEAKER_01

We're doing it here, and we're trying it to get nationwide. So uh just please share this so everybody and it's hop on every Wednesday. Sometimes we may not be able to be on at 9 p.m., and that's very rare. But when we have stuff with our kids or travel, we we don't. But you guys gotta share this, you guys gotta chime in, you guys gotta tell your co workers what to do when they get injured. So here's the thing Chris read all the rules, all the statutes. I know probably a lot of you that are hopping on didn't get all of them, but here's what we could do. If you are in the comments section and you haven't gotten the rules emailed to you yet, put your email down. It's gonna take us a little bit because there's uh thousands of you that are asking, so please be patient. But in the meantime, he will be posting, and if he doesn't do it, I'll do it. Each of the Code of Federal Regulations, I will post it or he will post it on Twitter. Okay, all of the codes that he did. Send uh comment your email if you want these, and we will get it to you again. Please be very patient. This month is completely crazy. We're gonna be in Birmingham next week. We have kids' graduations, so we're we're all over the place. So don't forget, you want to just go over those five things again, Chris?

SPEAKER_03

Send back. Yeah, so uh file agreements. I don't need it. File agreements, definitely file agreements, hashtag file agreements, talk to EAP, employee assistants, file an EEO claim, contact OSHA 1-800-321-OSHA, ask is this a safety violation? And then file a labor violation, okay, a labor board charge. And so uh these five things are on Twitter. If you go to at Fed Injury Centers, you're gonna find these there. Um, because I'm giving you the good stuff, the highlights are all there. Yeah, and um, and so you gotta get on Twitter. If you don't think Twitter's uh a good deal, I understand, but get on it because it's a bad deal not having access to this data. So at Fed Injury Center on Twitter, it's free. Just get your phone and sign up, go to the app store, go to the Google Play Store, and you know, take two minutes out of your day and and and do this. It's definitely necessary. You need to be on there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, guys, every week, every single week, we are on here and we're educating on anywhere from one to three topics, depending on your questions. Uh, once a month we do a QA. We do go to union meetings and we talk, we do go to state conventions, and Chris does his one hour, an hour 45-minute training. It just it's an amazing training. People leave, they're completely blown away because I've taught him so well. And uh no, he's the best, he's the expert. I give him credit for that. He's great at this. So there's so many different ways. Your union meeting, uh, and we tell you where we're gonna be for the union meetings, state conventions, and Facebook and Twitter, and I have a Twitter, and I take what he puts and post it online. Mine is just Genie Prasad, and I have an Instagram. If anybody wants to see it, I post the pictures on Instagram at uh federal injury centers. That's the Instagram name of those of you that have Instagram. So there's so many ways, and then we have the Federal Injury Center's Facebook page. We have my page, I post everything that I post on Wednesday night chats Facebook page and the federal injury centers page. I put myself, I tag Chris. So I mean, there's so many ways for you guys to get on and get this training.

SPEAKER_03

And let me I have another message, supervisors.

SPEAKER_01

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03

So um, supervisors, let's get uh personal here. Go to um go to my LinkedIn page. My name is Chris Helms, H E L M S. Chris Helms. My picture's there, so if you can't read English, you'll be able to see my picture. And find me. I have an article that says uh supervisors build or break employees and businesses. It's got a yellow picture at the top that says an employee's motivation is a direct result of the sum of interactions with his or her manager. So this is an article that I wrote uh after reading, uh doing a lot of research on uh employer-employee interaction. And it basically says this if the business fails, supervisors, it was your fault. If it does well, it was your employees' fault. They get all the credit for when things go well, you get all the blame for when things go bad. And um, what you're doing by screwing over your employees when they get hurt is you're causing business to go bad. Okay, you're causing inefficiency in your office where you work at your station. You're causing disgruntled employees, you're causing people to not want to deal with you, not want to report injuries to you. You're causing people to file grievances against you, you're making them file EEO claims, you're making them call OSHA, you're making them file labor board charges. All the fines that your agency is getting is because of you. You're doing this to yourself because you're doing it to them. And all you have to do is stop and follow the damn rules, okay? It's not that hard. Fill out the form, give them a copy, turn it into DOL, and get the hell out of the way. And when the doctor gives you restrictions, follow them. Follow the restrictions, okay? You don't have a medical license. You don't get to overrule the doctor. You have to do what the doctor tells you. And when the employees hurt, you have to fill out the form, give them a copy, and turn it in and get out of the way. You have to do it. The stuff that you're doing is causing all the problems. You supervisors are the cause of all of the problems in your agency. All of them in every agency, every business is a reflection of its managers. All of them. So look in the mirror. What you see out the window when you look at your employees, you're seeing it in the mirror, and it's all your fault. I know, I'm speaking from experience. Before I started this, uh, I managed two offices, I had 72 employees, and I knew that all success was their fault. They made the success. I set them up for success, or I set them up for failure. And I'll be damned if I set them up for failure. And you're doing that. You're causing the failure, you're causing all the problems. It's you. A good manager has good operations, a bad manager fails in every level, and you're failing. You're failing at this bad.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, Michael, that just made the nasty remark that we're doing soliciting at its finest. Let me tell you, we're not soliciting anything. So you might want to just take it up and get off of our page right now. Uh, I don't know what it is that you think we're soliciting. Maybe you're a supervisor. I'm trying to look for it. So this is for you, Michael. No, this is not soliciting. So if you don't want to be on the page, don't bother watching the video. So stay off of our page, please.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I don't think I've asked anybody to be a patient yet.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I mean, Michael, did we take any money? Did we take any credit cards? Uh, did we say anything about doctors? No.

SPEAKER_03

But you you actually may be a supervisor. I hope you'll share it with your friends too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I hope you do.

SPEAKER_03

So um, you know, the bottom line is that's a that is a reaction that I get from someone who knows that they're guilty. And so um, you know, when you do a bad job with people, bad things happen. And there's finally somebody out here that is helping federal employees fight back. So, what I am soliciting is that you get on Twitter and follow at Fed Injury Center. I'm soliciting that you contact OSHA and ask if violations are happening. Uh, I'm soliciting that you contact uh and file EEO claims. I'm soliciting that you get with your union, join the union. Uh I'm soliciting that you file grievances. I'm soliciting that you push back and stop letting people push you around. It's your right to file and report injuries.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, Michael, you were a supervisor. Funny. Trust me, you will be blocked after this.

SPEAKER_03

All right, she's gonna calm down a little bit now. But seriously, that's good. I'm glad you're here watching. You should send this to your friends, uh, all of your supervisor friends. Look, I know what good supervisors look like. I was one of them. All the supervisors that worked for me were phenomenal. Uh we had satisfaction rates through the roof. Uh, we had no work injury claims. I wonder why that is. Because when you treat people with love and respect, you don't have these problems. But the problem is you're not treating people with love and respect. I saw a lady today with a six-inch long scar and stitches that was made to go walk around.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Come on, that's that happens all the time. Uh, you want to know why I'm fired up today? Because I saw that today. You know, that happened today, and I see something like that every week. So um, you know, with that said, we're gonna go ahead and Michael, you go ahead and get yourself off this page because this isn't made for you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Monique, uh, you want to know if we refer to OWCP doctors? If you contact me and you want to know where one is, I could tell you or I could help you go on the uh DOL ACS website and I could help you find one there. And I just normally send you a screenshot, but you'd have to call them and find out which one will accept uh OWCP.

SPEAKER_03

We don't really make referrals, but I'll tell you, I do train doctors. Uh the other part of my business is training doctors. I've trained 25 offices around the country. And because I know these doctors know how to get claims accepted, I'm definitely gonna let you know if one's in your area. Yeah, but it's your choice to call them. Um, I don't take referral fees, I don't make money from any kinds of referral. Yeah, we don't. So I'll give you their phone number or their website. You have to contact them yourself.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

If we know anybody in the area, and you know what? Uh I'm not associated with doctors that don't know how to get claims accepted. One out of 13 federal employees have accepted claims. Roughly 12 out of 13 employees that go to doctors I trained have accepted claims. One out of 13? 12 out of 13. And so right now I'm soliciting you to find a doctor that'll help you. Okay, I'm soliciting to you not to let your supervisor screw you over by sending you someplace that will definitely result in a denied claim. No more deny claims, okay? Uh it's an epidemic problem. It leads to disability. By year two on disability, you're only making 40% of your income. Okay, it leads to bankruptcy, which means you can't pay your bills. You don't have a place to live. You know, you're worried about how to drive your kids to school because you can't pay your car, uh, how to keep the lights on because you can't pay the bills. And why? Because you can't, you know, you're not functioning well enough to get to work. But if you get your claim accepted, you can find a doctor that can get you help and you can get back full duty and make it all the way to retirement, which is the goal. And our doctors that I train, I say, look, send people back to work. And they do, they love sending people back to work. And the people that I know like going back to work. But supervisors, when your people get back to work, give them a job. Yeah, give them a limited duty assignment that's fair. Help them be back to work. They want to be back to work. But too many supervisors take that and say, Nope, don't have anything for you, go home. So here's my answer: file agreements. Doctor sends you back eight hours, supervisor sends you home after four, file agreements. They send you back four hours, supervisor sends you home after two, file agreements. Doctor says you can only lift 30 pounds, manager's got you there lifting 50 to 70 pounds, file agreements. File an EEO claim and call OSHA and say, is that safe? Is it safe that I'm lifting 30 pounds over my limit? Is that safe? Okay, don't let this happen to you anymore.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, uh Monique, you also asked, does a claim have to be approved? No. You if it's denied, you can go see the doctor as long as it's an OWCP doctor that knows what they're doing, they'll help you get it approved.

SPEAKER_03

And if it's denied, you have 12 months from every denial to do an appeal. Do a request for reconsideration, do a reconsideration, and all you got to do is is uh submit new information from your doctor. You can appeal every 12 months. So it's never over until you until you say it's over.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So I know a lot of you guys have a lot of questions, Chris and I, through the rest of the week. We will go ahead and get them answered. So don't forget to share, like, and follow our page, Federal Injury Centers, uh, Wednesday night OWCP chats. We're here every Wednesday, and we do education. And again, those of you that want the packet on how to protect your job and protect yourselves from supervisors, uh, put your email down in the comments below, and we will get that for you. And um oh uh, you guys asked about the uh Twitter.

SPEAKER_03

Do some soliciting.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah, I'm soliciting now. The Twitter is Fed Injury Centers. Find Chris, he wants to get to 5,000. Make it happen for him.

SPEAKER_03

No, it's not for me. She does that, but it's not for me. I want you to do it because it's in your interest to do it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Um, also, uh, we have you can find me and Chris on LinkedIn, Jeannie Prasad, Chris Helms, Instagram, Federal Injury Centers, uh, Twitter for Chris, and all the emails are coming in. And those of you that are asking about for us to come to your union meetings, it's not a problem. Please have your uh union contact us and well, contact me, and I'll see if it's possible that um we can uh get together and come out and do a really good education. Again, it'll it normally takes an hour to an hour and 45 minutes. The stuff that Chris trains you on. We provide some uh you know paperwork for you guys to just have uh with the emails, we'll definitely um get those over to you. So please be patient. There's a lot of you on, and I'm sure by the time I sign off, there's gonna be a couple thousand people. Um, so with that said, thank you guys for watching. Don't forget, if you're watching this after, hashtag replay, share the video, comment, let us know how we're doing, if there's any um topics you guys want to learn about, uh, let us know. And also we keep all of our videos so you can go back and watch us. So, with that said, all to all the graduates this week, congratulations, kid. You know, your kids deserve it. So, congratulations on your graduation.

SPEAKER_03

And uh for Michael, read a book. It's called First Break All the Rules, what the world's greatest managers do different. You could read like what all the really bad managers do. That's but if you read the whole book, you'll be a better manager and you won't have to jump on and uh harass people on my page, too.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Uh stop how stop harassing them at work and don't come here and harass them. It's not for you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, this is our page. We could do what we want and we can say what we want, and we're always educating and saying the right things. Please don't come on here and be negative at all because you will get blocked and you won't be a part of this anymore. So, with that said, again, everybody have a great week. Uh, Memorial Day is coming up next week. We will be out in sunny Florida saying hello. I'm in Texas. Are we meeting tomorrow with anybody?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So, with that said, everybody have a great night, and we're gonna go celebrate graduation tonight. Now, bye.