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The Dark History of Menopause: From Witch Hunts to Modern Understanding
Imagine being labeled as diabolical just for aging. In our latest episode, we unravel the dark history of menopause, starting from the grim perceptions of the 1560s where midlife women were often persecuted as witches. You'll hear shocking anecdotes, including a poignant story of a woman who was sent to an asylum in the 1960s due to menopause, reflecting the severe stigmas of the past. We retrace the journey from the coining of the term "menopause" in 1821 by a French physician to today’s nuanced understanding of this highly individualized experience.
Discover how diet impacts menopause symptoms like shoulder pain, as we gather insights from listeners worldwide who share their personal symptoms and treatments. We juxtapose these modern experiences with historical treatments, revealing the harsh realities women faced, such as lobotomies for postpartum depression. Celebrating the evolution of women's roles in society, this episode underscores their resilience and progress, from fighting for job opportunities to leading companies and participating in politics.
Navigating the labyrinth of menopause treatment options is challenging but essential. We stress the importance of sharing experiences and seeking advice from reliable sources like the Mayo Clinic while acknowledging the difficulty of distinguishing between emotional stress and hormonal imbalances. Blood work becomes a beacon of understanding amid the chaos of midlife transitions, which often include caring for aging parents. Embrace these changes with us, and join the conversation on our social media channels, where we continue to support each other through the overwhelming yet transformative journey of midlife.
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Hello and welcome to let's Talk Midlife Crisis with your hosts, ashley and Tracy. Pull up a chair for your seat at the table as we talk about the history of menopause.
Speaker 2:Okay, this is fun. I went down a rabbit hole with this one. It's going to be a little history lesson today, like Tracy said, history of menopause. My resources were the National Library of Medicine and I found a really interesting website called the Old Operating Theater Museum.
Speaker 1:And we'll put all these resources in the description of our podcast so yeah, of our podcast.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, um. So englishman reginald scott described um women in their midlife as women which be commonly old, lame, bleary-eyed, pale, foul and full of wrinkles. What isn't that terrible, that's horrible, I know. Um, he was actually um one of the, I guess, maybe like a coroner that was observing victims from the witch trials in the 1560s. Um, and this is how he described a lot of these victims um, there was another witness that described them as pathetic, melancholic, hallucinating old women whose age and sex made them prey to diet. But diabolical fancies. So, wow, a lot of these women, you know, I, I didn't, I'm not going to get into the witch trials, but a lot of them were midlife and probably going through menopause, so they were viewed as like crazies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basically, yeah, you know well, did I tell you that? Well, you know, I'm adopted, and so when I was younger, I wrote to the adoption agency to find out information about my biological parents, and they sent me information only about my mom, because she never disclosed information about my dad. Okay, but so I received this letter and actually I had done it twice. The first time was when I was pregnant with Nikki. My doctor suggested that I do it to find medical history. Yeah, absolutely so, because I really didn't have any. And then I wrote back later to get more information after I, you know, I wanted more information, information. So they sent a different letter with different information, and it kind of always haunted me, but it said that my mom's mom was put away, um, in uh an asylum for a period of time and then later gosh, and I can't remember specifically now.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was in the letter or if, when I met my biological mom, she told me I think it was when I met her and she told me because I remember it, haunting me for a really long time, but then I would always think and I'd always tell myself, well, a little bit crazy is kind of good right like just, but I always in my mind thought oh my gosh, you have crazy in your blood. But she was going through menopause and that's why she was in the asylum.
Speaker 2:That's so terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was in the 60s. Yeah, so that I get into the timeline.
Speaker 2:I talk, I'll talk more about that, but it really is sad to and you know we've been, you know we've voiced, like our gratitude for this coming to light and people recognizing you know what it is we're going through and, um, but there still is a stigma, but obviously not as bad as it used to be. Um, but yeah, so back in those days, reaching the age of 50 was rare, yeah, and it just made women more vulnerable. It was. I mean, it was like they were old and can you imagine 50?
Speaker 1:Right, right, I know, I know.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, when I was younger, 40 was old to me, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 40 seemed like you know ancient.
Speaker 2:So the earliest known references are I mean, it's very scarce. Like I said, I went down a rabbit hole reading a bunch of different things that um on different websites. Um, when I went to the national library of medicine there was some. There were some interesting articles, but as I dug deeper into them, it was a bunch of verbiage that I could not understand medical jargon yeah.
Speaker 2:So so it got kind of crazy. Um, but the front, there's a french physician that coined the term menopause and said it's the time in a woman's life when her periods end. And that was in 1821 wow when it was finally named, you know put a name to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know why I'm so surprised by that. I feel like it's been more recent, that it's yeah, no, but I think now is a movement, but I think it was recognized.
Speaker 2:I think there's still, like I said, there's, um, you know, very scarce information and I think there was a lot of you know, people didn't know anything about it and, right, there happened to be someone that was kind of, you know, studying this and watching it. So, yeah, he coined that term.
Speaker 1:It wasn't until the mid-19th century that medical interest increased considerably, right and we've talked about that before, because I don't know if nobody cared right, but if you think about it, women haven't been able to vote for you know. Oh yeah, I mean, it hasn't been that long really, it hasn't been that long, yeah, so it's not too surprising, right, um, but yeah, now it seems like, like I said, it's like almost feels like a movement yes, absolutely, because we were suppressed for so long and um, and now it's coming yeah, they did finally start um paying attention and studying it more.
Speaker 2:a lot of the symptoms recorded were hot flushes, night sweats, mood swings. However, there are 30 other physical and mental symptoms that have been recorded and we've talked about this too. I saw this come up a lot in the research that I did. No two people will have the same experience, right, and that's, I think, a lot of why it's been so challenging for people to understand it and and research it, because it's like everybody's different, right, everybody's experience. Yeah, some.
Speaker 1:there might, you know, be several people getting night sweats, right but all their other symptoms aren't going to be the same as this person, and some people don't have any symptoms at all at all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely so that spectrum is very, yeah, very wide, exactly, yeah, um, so historically it was treated with anything from opium to acupuncture, to toxic douches. Oh wow, that's disturbing that is disturbing victorians actually viewed women with distrust and diagnosed them with climactic insanity and hysteria and locked them up in asylums. Yes yeah, they thought they were going crazy. That is really something they would prescribe cold baths, sedatives. There was a real importance of hygiene and moral management that was emphasized around that time.
Speaker 1:So maybe they thought it was poor hygiene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that there was just a combination of things that made them just think okay, you're crazy, you're old, you're wrinkled, you stink, maybe I don't know. I mean think about Victorian days. They didn't bathe. For what weeks.
Speaker 1:Right, I can't even imagine living in that era.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's terrible. In the 1930s it was described as a deficiency disease. Therefore replenishment therapies like testicular juice, crushed ovaries of animals, oh my.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my. Isn't that interesting, that is very interesting, and that was just in the 30s?
Speaker 2:That's not that.
Speaker 1:No, it's not that long ago. Okay, it's almost 30 years ago. That's almost 700 years ago.
Speaker 2:But that's still. It doesn't seem like that long ago.
Speaker 1:It's mind-blowing. Yeah, it's mind-blowing. We've come a long way. Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 2:So long.
Speaker 1:So in the 70s, like it's all in that time, yeah um.
Speaker 2:synthetic estrogen was developed in 1938, and in 1942 the first estrogen pill was introduced, called premarin I I think I'm saying that right which means pregnant mare urine, which is its primary ingredient.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh yeah Wow.
Speaker 2:So I really wanted more time to research this, because there's so many rabbit holes you can go down.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But I really am curious now. I mean, there's so many different estrogen supplements and things like that out there now, prescriptions, um, and I wonder what's in that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1:That's what I was thinking, right, right so holy cow, yeah, it's really interesting.
Speaker 2:So symptoms actually differ in different areas of the world. I did not know this. In the western part of the world, people get hot flushes. In Japan, women get shoulder pain. It's very common for women going through menopause to get shoulder pain, okay. And in India they actually get low vision, like it affects their vision. Wow, age is also higher in the west it's like 50 to 51, compared to other countries, which is like 45 to 47 oh, when you go through not just not perimenopause, but actual menopause so it has to be something.
Speaker 2:It has to do with something more than just diet that's what I'm thinking, because I mean the human body is the human body, right? So it has to be things in your environment that are affecting you know, definitely, like you said, more than diet, it's got to be other things in your environment.
Speaker 1:Shoulder pain, I don't know, huh yeah, it's really strange that is very interesting it's viewed.
Speaker 2:Menopause is viewed negatively in the west, where developing countries like india have a positive outlook on it. Okay, yeah, um, there was a medical professional that found that statistical analyses from one of these studies that deciphered all this about the different um areas of the world and how people are affected differently. He said that the analyses were flawed. So who knows, I just wanted to put that in there just in case anybody says oh, that's bogus.
Speaker 1:So what are they?
Speaker 2:saying fake news, not necessarily. I think it's just when they did the study you know, because obviously they have to do studies to determine this information. Did the study, you know, because obviously they have to do studies to determine this information. Um, I one of them that I was reading, with all the medical jargon um, said that they took because of the age range that they believed it happened. And they took women from blank age 40 to 48, okay, and one of the researchers I guess didn't realize how old a couple of the women were, but they were actually. One was like 58 and one was like 60 and so they were included in this you know study and so it wasn't really. And then the guy that actually conducted the study said I wish had I known that it was actually a lot of women go through it later. I would have included women up to 60-65 you right but so who knows?
Speaker 2:it really, it just depends on what study was done and whether or not it was truly fought or but that's so interesting that, um, it's different in different regions of the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I never would have thought that I did.
Speaker 2:I, yeah again I. That's a rabbit hole. I'd love to go down just what, what was in their environment that would cause? I mean, obviously they eat differently than we do, right, you know Right, and that's the first thing that I think of. But yet diet wouldn't.
Speaker 1:I just can't imagine diet dictating. You know the symptoms for the symptoms that you mentioned, like shoulder pain and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean maybe definitely the chemistry in your body. I think diet can impact that greatly. Mean we know it impacts our mental health too.
Speaker 1:right, that is true that is true, so I would be interested to hear from our listeners in different parts of the world. Um, what are your symptoms?
Speaker 2:yeah, that would be really interesting because I know we have some people listening in other parts of the world. We do.
Speaker 1:We do so reach out on any of our social channels or email us on our website, you know, at Ashtray at let's Talk Midlife Crisis dot com, and let us know what your symptoms are, what part of the world you live in and what your symptoms are and how are they being treated and how are they being treated and how are they being treated? Yeah, um.
Speaker 2:So you mentioned um someone in your family being locked up in an asylum and I just remembered, when I was in high school I had a friend whose grandmother was I.
Speaker 2:She wasn't really crazy, she was just different, um, didn't really talk a lot, really seemed confused a lot and wasn't. It wasn't dementia, she wasn't old enough to be. You know experiencing that and I just remember all. Anytime I saw her thinking what is, and you know, but I didn't want to say anything to my friend and right um it, she just happened. One day we were talking. She was talking about her grandmother and she had what they thought was depression after having one of her children, which was actually postpartum now we know right um, and it was, it was very bad, it was debilitating, and they did a lobotomy on her.
Speaker 2:So that that, I think, is another thing that you know women that go through these crazy stages, whether it be postpartum or menopause or or even just I mean I can't. I can get some crazy mood swings when I'm.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we just talked about that last week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so so, yeah, it's just really sad to think about all these things were being treated.
Speaker 1:Historically. Yeah, yeah, that is is sad, it is terrifying, and luckily we live in the era now um, where modern medicine is doing a deeper dive and you know studies on menopausal women right um, and you know all well, and they know now too, the the ways they were treating it, it wasn't working right.
Speaker 2:It's not the answer, right? You know?
Speaker 1:all of the stages. Well, and they know now too the the ways they were treating it. It wasn't working right, it's not the answer right, you know.
Speaker 2:So they've learned that and found you know better ways to treat it. Yeah, and, and knowing now what it is, obviously is helpful. So, yeah, I think just identifying it right.
Speaker 1:I know it was somewhat comforting to myself when I was going through it because, you know, my mood swings would be like a roller coaster and, as I mentioned before, I was in a relationship at the time and I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm sure he thinks I'm just crazy. Um, but knowing, and you know telling myself, right, you know, you're just, you know your body's going through changes.
Speaker 1:You know you're going through menopause. This is, you know, normal right, a natural, you know, progression into midlife. But, um, it's just sad that we have to bear all of I know, all of these things. You know, that's what makes us strong. It does, I think it does, it does. But I can't imagine living in different eras, in the Victorian, era, you know the witch trials.
Speaker 2:When I read that I never really thought about the ages. I mean I know there were some younger girls involved in that too, very young.
Speaker 1:But I think the majority were more women in their midlife.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah and yeah, I just never put that together. I you know, I always thought it was. It's such a sad story that those women were treated the way they were, regardless of what they were practicing or um, but some of them may not have even been practicing witchcraft or involved in anything like that. It was just they were pinned to be part of that group. Because of what?
Speaker 2:they were experiencing physically and mentally yeah, so yeah, but it was really interesting to go back that far and I can't believe that they were identifying it back then, so I had had no idea, no idea. But you know it was obviously they were identifying it, but it was. They were viewed so poorly, right, the things that I mean, the descriptions that they gave. I was like, oh, horrifying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's horrifying, yeah, but not necessarily surprising, because, again, how you know, women were viewed up until very, you know, somewhat recently. Not too long ago, long ago, yeah, yeah, we didn't even have rights to vote. Um, and now we're taking over the world, which is amazing, um, running the world we're running the world, and yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2:It's crazy to think that we weren't even in the workforce. Really there wasn't a real presence of women in the workforce, right until the 60s, 70s, right?
Speaker 1:well, no, maybe after, I think, during the depression, right women went to fill the roles of the men while they were away fighting the war, right, um, but then as soon as the war was over, then they wanted women to go back into the home and to their natural role. To their natural role. And I think that's when a lot of women stood up and was like, but I think also, they were still only allowed to work certain jobs.
Speaker 2:True, so you couldn't do whatever you wanted to. You had to be a secretary or a nurse right.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You're being limited right on stereotypes into right, yeah different careers and then I mean yeah, now we have women running companies and yeah, yeah, you know, and in politics, Exactly, I was going to say pretty much running the world, running the world, pretty much running the world.
Speaker 1:Wow, I just can't imagine living in any other era. Quite honestly, and as we sit here right now in air conditioning number one, could you?
Speaker 2:imagine yeah, Electricity running water.
Speaker 1:Electricity, running water, plumbing.
Speaker 2:Well and think about it, I mean, thank God we have tampons and pads. Yes, you know, back in those times they wore these weird, like diapers almost. You know, and I think a lot of them I know, in very, very early times they were like bedridden Like you, just like bedridden Like you just couldn't do anything. Yes, when you're on your period. Yeah, you just stayed in bed until it was done.
Speaker 1:The evolution is quite something yeah. But, yeah, and I'm just so happy that there are so many doctors, you know, studying this now and talking about it now and trying to understand, because I think that is helpful and, like I said with me when I was going through it, it was just somewhat comforting to know being able to identify what is happening, because I couldn't imagine going through what you go through and not knowing what was happening to you, and you can't even get answers from your own doctor.
Speaker 1:Right, right. Yeah, they didn't talk about it.
Speaker 2:Well, I think they just didn't know either. Like I said, they finally just started doing some research and, you know, brought some awareness around it in the medical world, but there still was not a lot of education around it for any kind of physician, even an OBGYN. Yeah you, a lot of education around it for any kind of physician, even an ob-gyn. Yeah, you know. It was like, you know, as you're going to school, you get this one little tiny course on this subject.
Speaker 2:And then everything else is gonna you know yes so yeah, they just, I mean, they weren't even getting the education.
Speaker 1:So and I would like to think that we'll continue to evolve and our research and our studies with all of this um, because I remember when I went to the doctor initially and they had, you know, uh, you know, said that I was going through perimenopause right and I was like, okay, and I was expecting them to give me a pill or a shot, or a pamphlet, or something, anything.
Speaker 2:And yeah, no, I was the same, in fact, when I I just felt so bewildered after I left there.
Speaker 1:I was like, okay, like now, what? Now? Exactly, yeah, yeah, when I went in um.
Speaker 2:It was because of the periods I was experiencing and it was like something has to be done. I can't live this way. I cannot do this. Um. I traveled a lot. I was, you know, washing clothes in the bathtub in the hotel room because it was just out of control.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so I went in to figure out what to do and didn't know what was happening to me. And I was in my very late 30s at the time and she said well you're, I mean you're in perimenopause. Like I just should have known that, right, I'm like, okay, well you're, I mean you're in perimenopause.
Speaker 1:Like I just should have known that, right right.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay, well, I'm young, so don't say that word to me.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 2:But then it was like I mean, we, you know, we found resolution, I did the ablation, I opted not to do the hysterectomy.
Speaker 1:I was going to say when. I guess when I was younger, but a lot of my friends I actually had a couple different doctors recommend towards the end of my cycle to have a hysterectomy. Okay, and I just remember thinking like it's so invasive.
Speaker 2:Right, it's a long recovery, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I was like ah, I just felt like I was so far into it, Like to the end, it's like I, I just didn't feel I'll just stick it out yeah exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that was some hard times towards the end yeah, I mean, my mom had her hysterectomy in her 30s. All my sisters have had it. Yeah, oh yeah oh, okay, yeah, so um, I think my oldest sister she was the oldest when she got her. Well, no, definitely the oldest. I think my oldest sister she was the oldest when she got her. Well, no, definitely the oldest. I think she was almost 50, if not 50, when she got it.
Speaker 1:I think she was almost 50.
Speaker 2:Okay, and my sister, my little sister, was in her 40s. My sister-in-law, she was in her early 40s, I believe. Yeah, I mean they've all, they're all there. It was my sister older sisters was actually an emergency surgery okay. I mean, it was terrible.
Speaker 2:I mean sometimes it can't be helped yeah, and that that was actually the reason that I wanted to catch it early, because I started having these issues that, like I said, that were affecting my day-to-day life right, but still not as bad as theirs. I knew what they had experienced, so I knew what I was facing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I didn't want to get to that point.
Speaker 1:And again, I didn't want to do the hysterectomy, I didn't want the recovery time, I just let's just do it and I think it throws you into menopause right, because of the hormonal imbalance and stuff, if you keep your ovaries, then you're fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and typically they try to keep your ovaries. But the ablation you know hopefully it will last until you get through menopause is basically what my doctor said.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Because sometimes I think people have to have it done twice. They have to go back in and have it done. She said let's hope this just gets you through. So so far you know, everything's been much better, much better, yeah, everything's been much better, Much better. I just don't know when I'll actually. I actually need to schedule an appointment and get blood work done to figure out where I'm at in the stage of menopause, because that was years ago.
Speaker 1:And again, thank goodness that we're in live in the era that we live in now. Could you imagine Just wandering and waiting through it years ago, when there wasn't research and it wasn't commonly spoke about and, um, you know, living in a world that didn't acknowledge it and going through that feeling so alone, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, and you couldn't even people didn't even talk to their friends about it. You know, no, I don't think women and of course we don't know, because you know, we weren't living back then.
Speaker 2:But to my knowledge, women didn't speak to it, I would think that I would be insecure about saying anything about it. Because I don't want people to even know that I'm going through it If they can't tell by looking at me. Otherwise I'm not going to say anything.
Speaker 1:Because I don't want to be viewed that way.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I think people are probably scared to say anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that that women like you nailed it on the head.
Speaker 2:I don't even think that they spoke to their closest friends about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, it just wasn't something that was talked about, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, so, thank goodness, we've evolved, yes, since then, and will continue to evolve, and I'd like to think, maybe not for our children, right, that generation, but maybe our children's children children yeah, um, that we will come up with more research and understanding, awareness, um, and ways to combat it because, again, as we've mentioned so many times and as you just said, not all women have the same experience when they're going through it. Yeah, so I don't think it's a one and done type of treatment.
Speaker 2:And that's another reason it's nice to talk to people about it, because it kind of helps you understand. You know, okay, well, these are similar things. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:To treat it yourself, you know, do you know anyone else that's experiencing these other symptoms? Talking to family and understanding, you know your, your background, your medical background, what they've been through, that's true um, yeah, I mean that's.
Speaker 1:I think it definitely kind of, if anything puts you at ease right and not to mention google, right, oh yeah, the oracle, that's what I call it, you know, because it's so helpful. You have to be careful, though you do have to be careful, because it's on the internet.
Speaker 2:Does it mean that it's true? You're like look, why does my elbow hurt? Oh, you have elbow cancer. Exactly, Exactly.
Speaker 1:But I do think that it's helpful if you're trying to research. You know hormonal therapy or balancing.
Speaker 2:You know whether or not you want to do hormonal therapy or you know a homeopath type of um you know and, like I said there, there is a lot of information out there. Um, there are a lot of resources and I just I could have spent hours and hours and hours going down these rabbit holes. Yeah, but one of my favorite sites that I like to use for any medical questions that I have, or anything like that, is the Mayo Clinic. Yes, that is such a great resource. They have so much information and it's easy to read.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're cutting edge, yes, and they make it easy to read. It's not too much. Medical terms, general yeah.
Speaker 2:In general terms, yes and yeah. It's anything from aches and pains to mental health to medications that you are wanting to know anything about as far as side effects, or what is it, or what is a treat, anything. I love that website.
Speaker 1:So are you thinking that you will as you continue to move through? Are you thinking that you might try hormone therapy?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I really don't feel it's really hard for me to tell right now. I had a therapy session a few months ago and I remember telling my therapist I think I'm going crazy, but I have. So I've had so much going on in my life. I still I feel like I'm trying to work through that. I'm still kind of on eggshells, I think, because of it some PTSD maybe, which is making my anxiety really bad, which is making me not sleep well.
Speaker 2:So I'm really still trying to work through a lot of that and I I know that some of it probably is, you know, because of the phase of my life and you know the physical things I'm going through and hormonal changes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that. But that's like. That's why I said I want to do blood work, because I feel like that's what's going to help me understand whether or not what I'm experiencing, you know, emotionally and mentally, has anything to do with. That could be, I don't know, if, if we see anything alarming, I'm open to finding, you know, some kind of treatment absolutely. But again, it's just hard for me to know like is it?
Speaker 1:because my life is so crazy right now right that I feel like I'm going crazy no, but I think that's true with a lot of women, because you do go through so much during midlife. There's just so many factors and so many layers of what you're going, what's going on in your life, and it's overwhelming and it's not.
Speaker 2:It doesn't even have to be um traumatic things that are happening. It's just like we've talked about, like thinking about my parents. They're aging, but how you know, we need, you know, to make sure that we're helping them with whatever their plan is, as as that you know right, just anything. Things like you know you always worry about your kids, you always you know.
Speaker 1:It's just it can be overwhelming at times. Yeah, you have your moments of being overwhelmed and, like I said earlier, I think a little bit of crazy is good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right I think everybody is.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you think so. Yes, yes. So thank you for joining us today on let's Talk Midlife Crisis Embrace the change.
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