Let's Talk Midlife Crisis Podcast
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Midlife Skincare Solutions for Aging and Menopausal Challenges
Ready to revolutionize your midlife skincare routine? Join us as we welcome back skincare expert Paige, who unravels the complexities of aging and menopausal skin. Discover how hormonal shifts impact collagen production, leading to common issues like sagging, wrinkles, and dryness. Paige delves into the power of ingredients such as vitamin C and tyrosinase inhibitors to tackle hyperpigmentation and age spots. If sunscreen sensitivities have left you frustrated, we have you covered with insights on the differences between chemical and mineral sunscreens, ensuring you find the perfect protection for your skin.
But that's not all. We also confront the often-overlooked issues of rosacea and facial hair, exploring personal experiences with various hair removal methods and the maintenance they entail. Paige sheds light on the prevalence and progression of rosacea, its impact on mental health, and the crucial role of early treatment. Learn about the dietary triggers that can exacerbate skin conditions and the importance of personalized skincare routines, featuring beneficial ingredients like sulfur, hyaluronic acid, and peptides. Don’t miss out on this comprehensive guide to managing the unique skincare challenges of midlife, packed with practical tips and expert advice from Paige.
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Hello and welcome to let's Talk Midlife Crisis with your hosts, ashley and Tracy. Pull up a chair for your seat at the table as we talk about skincare with our special guest today, paige. Welcome, paige.
Speaker 2:Hi, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3:So good to have you here again. We had you on a previous episode talking about skincare and, you know, protecting yourself during the summer. This one's going to be a little more focused around aging, some of the things that you experience as you get into midlife and you know menopause and things like that. Your skin changes. You know we've talked about how much hormone imbalance and changes affect your body in general and it, as you probably all know, really affects your skin.
Speaker 3:So Paige is here to tell us how we can take care of ourselves. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, again, thanks for having me. But yeah, aging definitely affects your skin. Like you were saying, a lot of the hormones and stuff change estrogen, progesterone they're all lowering during that time and those are the main hormones that make collagen, and collagen is what pretty much makes your skin look young, youthful, firm. Yeah, your elasticity is still there. You hold your moisture retention in better so as those hormones are decreasing better so as those hormones are decreasing it's going to start the sagging, the fine lines and wrinkles. Dryness um, a lot of dryness is, especially with perimenopause, which I know, like ashley, you were saying when you first went, we're going through it. You didn't really know what it was or anything like the perimenopause, before the menopause, and that's when a lot of these start to symptoms, start to happen because of the hormone changes, and so a lot of women, I think, get confused too because they're like, well, I'm not going through menopause yet right.
Speaker 1:So why is my?
Speaker 2:skin changing so much, yeah, but yeah, the hormones are the main thing. That, and then age spots, hyperpigmentation there's a lot of that. So I just have a lot of facts that I can give you guys, and I also have some like product recommendations not specific products, but just ingredient wise things that you should use, like a vitamin C serum or something Right.
Speaker 3:Things like that too, that we can talk about, and then also, I think too, you know, depending on how well you took care of your skin when you were younger, a lot of that damage starts to show up. Yep.
Speaker 1:Right With me, of course, sun damage. Yeah Well, we're sun goddesses, and to this day, I still don't wear sunscreen, at least not on my face, because I don't know if I'm allergic to it, but I definitely have a reaction to it and it's not good.
Speaker 2:Have you tried just zinc by itself?
Speaker 1:No, but I've tried a lot of different organic types of sunscreen and they just don't work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what I do try to do is wear a hat yeah, yeah and just protect it yeah, not look directly up at the sun, but and there's a lot of like you were saying with you don't like the way that it feels, you don't like the way it feels on your skin or the way it makes your skin look.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of different things yeah, no, my eyes would water and swell up and my nose would start running and then you can get into the conversation of like chemical versus mineral sunscreen. And those are two different things too. One's for more sensitive skin, but, yeah, some people just don't like anything that they try, and as long as you're protecting yourself from the sun, that's all that really matters, or even on my chest.
Speaker 1:So it's just very sensitive areas. But I can wear it on my arms, my legs and I'm fine, but just not, you know, around my orifices.
Speaker 2:So we said right yeah, so, for I went through and did some research on before I came on here just so I could get more accustomed to menopause in general and how it affects the skin, and I did learn a lot and there was a lot of things. There's a type of ingredient called I don't know if I'm gonna say this right tyrosinase. Tyrosinase, I'm not sure what it is, but it's for hyperpigmentation specifically, or age spots, so that's when the sun in general and aging both things trigger your melanocytes to produce more melanin, which is what causes the color of your skin. Okay, so at once that's triggered, it'll start overproducing and that comes along with age and being in the sun.
Speaker 2:Once that's triggered, it never really goes backwards your skin's always going to try and create that hyperpigmentation in those areas. So the tyrodinate, tyroninase I'm not sure how to pronounce that, but that ingredient in the skincare is good for hyperpigmentation and good for all skin types. So they call it a Fitzpatrick scale in aesthetics where it's like one to five. One is like the palest you can be, five is like darkest skinned. That ingredient is good for all skin tones, which is actually rare in the aesthetics world because a lot of them will like bleach the skin.
Speaker 3:I was just thinking that and that one just works with your skin in general.
Speaker 2:So if you're looking to get rid of some age spots or sun damage, that's the ingredient that you should look for, because that targets the high.
Speaker 3:So if your body is going to use it the way it needs to, right on your skin and that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so good to know, because I do have a couple of age spots that seem to come and go, and when they go it's because I'm trying to treat them, but my face right now is much darker, so it's because of the sun. So at least I won't have bleach spots or something.
Speaker 2:I was just looking at myself the other day in the mirror and I was like, wow, when I'm tan, my skin looks so much better. And it's like, yeah, because my dark spots are just blending right everything looks more even and toned right. Another thing that you should start incorporating too and this is for just dry skin in general um, niacinamides and ceramides. Ceramides are helped to increase the um barrier function and improve moisture retention, whereas the niacinamides help with pore size and texture.
Speaker 2:A lot of those are found in moisturizers right so, but I also take um a pill and I've taken it for years phytoceramides but I think so it has the yeah ceramides in it, right yeah um, but I take it so and you can actually feel it plumps you from the outside, I was gonna say from the inside out water retention too so as you age and as you get older, your skin just naturally loses water easier because, you're losing those hormones and or not losing them, but they go down decreasing, and so having those products to help you retain the moisture in your skin, which then will help with the plumping and the fullness and youthful looking or dewy looking skin, and I've taken it for years.
Speaker 1:I actually just get it off of Amazon and that's pretty what brand it is um no, I don't, but I don't think that it matters. Yeah, but I generally try to look at the ingredients to see the levels of it. But it also, I think, has like A and D in there. Oh nice. But it's good for like hair nails and skin Right and the friends of mine that I have given them some to try. They've all started to use it, and do you notice?
Speaker 3:a difference right away, or do you have to take it for a while?
Speaker 1:Well, I've been taking it for years now, but if I run out and then start taking it again, you can feel it. So, if you hadn't taken it before and you started to take it, I would say within the first couple of days you'll feel it. But I actually have super dry skin.
Speaker 3:And I always have.
Speaker 1:I don't have patches of oily or anything, it's just dry, dry, dry head to toe. But I think it's because it has that in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. Um, another thing that you can do to help with that hydration in your skin, too, is using a lot of gentle cleansers, especially if you do normally run like dry or you are noticing that for some reason, your skin is getting drier. Gentle cleansers with non-active ingredients are the best way to go, especially if you're trying to figure out exactly what's causing it, if it's not new to you or if it's not something that you've had your whole life.
Speaker 2:there are times where you should use active ingredients, like post-menopause and when you're in menopause, retinoids, they say is really good to use because it's helping produce that collagen again in your skin and it's an active ingredient okay, but to do it sometimes during perimenopause or before could be too rough, like I have a friend who, um, she's probably like 30 and she just randomly got really dry skin and she was using a retinoid and that caused her to then get breakouts because it was just too much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was reacting with like the dryness, but then also making her produce oil in other areas of her face that she didn't use oil and if you so also, as you age, you lose estrogen and progesterone, but you also do the male sex hormones and androgens, I think they're called those increase, so you could be experiencing dryness at the same time while you're experiencing excessive oiliness and then the dry skin mixing with the oil. That's when you get pimples and stuff.
Speaker 3:So you can also go through a breakout stage.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Is that also what increases the hair?
Speaker 1:That's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 3:That's because it's a male hormone that's causing hair growth.
Speaker 1:I thought you meant the oiliness at first.
Speaker 2:But yes, that's 100% why Like chin hairs, things like that.
Speaker 3:So on mustache, yeah, it's like beard or just entire face of peach fuzz, which is what I get.
Speaker 1:I had to have full facial laser hair.
Speaker 2:So did I. I mean, I'm only 28.
Speaker 3:I did the dermaplane Paige does like it's kind of crazy, but I think most of my hair growth I definitely get it everywhere, but I get a lot right around my eyes, yeah, when.
Speaker 1:I was trying to do um hormonal treatment. I actually had full-on sideburns. Oh, it was crazy. On top of the chin hairs that, I mean, was almost like a beard. It was just. You can't just classify it as like oh, a chin let me pluck, yeah, it was massive.
Speaker 1:But I had years before had laser hair removal but when I did it on my face I only did my mustache. So I went back and I had my full face done and, knock on wood, although I'm getting chin hairs and mustache again. But they said you know, they recommend continuing maintenance as you continue to age. You just have to right. But um, but yeah, facial hair was huge.
Speaker 2:It was a huge problem absolutely, and so a lot of things too that I was learning while I was doing this research and what I've seen just through schooling and clients and stuff is rosacea and goes hand in hand with aging, which I didn't know when I was especially going through esthetician school. I thought rosacea, I mean you can get it at any age.
Speaker 1:It's not like right only when you're older but the majority of people that experience they should do experience it once they hit 40 and up, which correlates with menopause which exactly happened to me, and it's so funny that you say that, because I never related it to what it was probably perimenopause at the time and now menopausal or postmenopausal, but I never had. I had always beautiful skin.
Speaker 1:You know I might have had a lot of other flaws in most other areas, but my skin was always very clear and good and, but then I started getting rosacea and it was Rosacea and I was like what is happening and I didn't know why.
Speaker 2:I was clinically diagnosed with it but, I, didn't know the time well, I was going to say I found a fact that said 95% of people with Rosacea don't realize they even have it until they're diagnosed with it. Because there's so many other. They just think, oh, my skin's getting red, maybe it's from aging or the heat or things I'm eating, or my skin's dry, I'm just going through something hormonally. But yeah, 95% of people don't even know that they have it until they're diagnosed with it.
Speaker 2:That's crazy 415 million people in the world have it, and 16 million of those people live in the United States, which I just thought was an interesting fact?
Speaker 1:Oh, that is an interesting fact. Those are interesting numbers. Is that that is an interesting? Those are interesting numbers. Is that women or just individuals all together? I wonder if men also. This was for women, because it was about women studying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, it was women, that is that's yeah, and if it goes untreated for a long periods of time, it can start affecting other parts of your health as long as well as you can't undo it unless you go through surgery oh really which would just be like a cosmetic reason, you would never have to go through surgery, as far as I know, for anything medically. Right, but if you do let it get to a certain point, then you can only reverse it surgically. Wow.
Speaker 3:Oh wow. So what are things we can do to treat it before it gets that bad?
Speaker 2:So there's a lot of things that you can can well. There's actually four different types of rosacea, which I also didn't know, wow yeah, I didn't know that either. Oh okay, there's the one that's called something very long something with era erythema rosacea. It's a lot longer than that, but that's the mildest form and I think that's like when you first start developing it. It's just the redness, um, the like spider web looking a little bit of like blood vessels, yeah, like broken capillaries, yeah, and that's like rough dry.
Speaker 2:It also can get mistaken for psoriasis or eczema a lot of times, some people just be like oh, I'm just getting eczema or I'm just getting psoriasis or things like that. Then there's another one called papulopustule rosacea, and this I didn't even know existed, but it's swollen acne so it's actually redness that then gets into like their papules, not pustules. So pustules are like their white heads, the pus papules are just like the bumps like underneath the skin.
Speaker 2:Yes, underneath the skin. They're not white, they don't look like you can pop them or anything pimple like but not poppable, and you get those mixed in with all the redness. Okay, so when?
Speaker 3:I started, I never really had an issue with acne. Never had it as a kid Didn't really start experiencing it until after I had children and I was in my twenties. I would say the worst part of it was probably in my late thirties when I started perimenopause, but it was very mild. I never really had an issue with any kind of acne. However, I will say that as I got into my 40s it was things like that and I'm like what is what's happening?
Speaker 2:yes, what is? Oh, yeah, yeah um and I.
Speaker 3:The first one I ever got was on the side of my nose and I lit. I have a scar. I literally dug to try and pop that thing and now it looks like I used to have a nose ring.
Speaker 1:Because I have a little tiny scar there.
Speaker 3:But at that point I was like, okay, I need to not do that to myself.
Speaker 1:But it's hard not to. But I didn't know what it was and of course it always comes in the hardest places to get.
Speaker 2:The most extreme one is called thymastis. I believe it's the and that's like facial disfiguration swelling tenderness um pain.
Speaker 2:Inflamed acne turns into nodules which are like the big just like huge right like cystic acne, but to like an extreme, um, and actually scientists still don't know what causes rosacea or how to cure it. So it's something that they are still. It's nothing that can be cured. You can manage it, you can treat it, but you can't cure it. And they're still not sure exactly on what causes it, besides the little things that they figured out.
Speaker 3:But they can't pinpoint it to something so if you do start experiencing it and you start taking care of it as you're going through menopause, does it kind of die down?
Speaker 2:Yes, you can manage it to the point where it's not noticeable. If you were to stop doing whatever you're doing, it's going to come back it's not going to cure it to where you'll never have it again. But just keeping the maintenance and the upkeep you can manage it to where it is.
Speaker 3:And then, once your body kind of gets through that period of menopause and your post-menopausal I assume your hormones kind of find a balance Yep. And you start to notice that things are improving. Because I don't?
Speaker 1:feel like mine was mostly like rosy cheeks, really rosy cheeks. So at first I was like okay, whatever, yeah, it wasn't bothering me, but then I would notice and I also had broken capillaries and something. But I don't notice it as much now. I still have it on my chest for whatever reason but I don't notice it as much now.
Speaker 1:and when you were mentioning earlier about the facial wash, I believe that I understand what you were saying about the right kinds to use, but I use Cetaphil products, so I use Cetaphil lotion and then I also use the face wash. But what took me a long time to get used to is it doesn't foam.
Speaker 2:It doesn't lather.
Speaker 1:So when you said that, I thought in my mind oh, she's referring to the products that don't lather. Yeah, because it just took me a while, like I didn't feel like my face was, and that is a lot of the gentle cleansers they're not as they're like.
Speaker 2:A lot of cream, more creamy consistency and yeah they don't lather like the gel ones or the foaming ones that get really. Yeah, they don't lather, which is right something to yeah, okay, yeah, another couple things that you can do to if you do have rosacea, if you're experiencing it. To stay away from is anything like histamine foods so that like um like I think it's the blood. Yeah, blood vessels increase and cause vascular damage, so I mean there's a ton of things to stay away from right there.
Speaker 2:There's like a whole list, but a lot of it is just alcohol, citrus, all the good stuff, All the good stuff pretty much, which also like. I don't think people should necessarily cut it out completely unless you feel like that's best for you, but just being aware of the things that cause it.
Speaker 3:And then they trigger it Right Like maybe I shouldn't eat this chicken wing.
Speaker 2:That's really, really hot if I know that I'm gonna right.
Speaker 3:I think it's up to you, yeah yeah, I, you know it's funny you say histamines because I am allergic to everything, pretty much. Um, I've literally had allergy doctors tell me I can't believe you're not allergic to people and so I take. I've taken allergy pills my entire life. I take a nasal spray, I take a Benadryl before I go to bed at night, because if I don't I wake up very stuffy.
Speaker 1:Dina does that as well.
Speaker 3:I'm constantly taking antihistamines because I react so much to the histamines around me, not even just foods or beverages, but just in general, like allergens, you know, which cause a lot of inflammation. That's why I said like I'll wake up really stuffy because I'm so inflamed, you know do you also take allergy medicine? Like I do Zyrtec, I take Allegra every day. Um, I was on Zyrtec for a long time and then I started experiencing um hives, which Allegra is really good for.
Speaker 3:So it's just something I've dealt with my entire life and I just can't. But it's funny that you say try to cut out you know, I'm allergic to everything around me. I can't yeah.
Speaker 2:Inflammation also leads to more water loss in the skin too so all mixture of all of that stuff is just a lot going on, right, and I would assume that hydration, like everything else, is for anybody something that you want to do.
Speaker 1:that I am horrible at. Yes, the only time I really drink water is when I drink alcohol. I two-fist it like I'm drinking a cocktail in one hand and then I have my water in the other hand, but outside of that, I don't drink a lot of water, if you are experiencing rosacea too.
Speaker 2:That's when you want to avoid the retinols or inactive ingredients.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, retinols or inactive ingredients?
Speaker 1:okay, yeah, retinols you probably shouldn't use, especially if you're experiencing a flare-up, okay, and for me, whatever reason, retinol isn't a good a lot of people it just doesn't work.
Speaker 2:There's a purging, there's a purging phase two that a lot of people go through when they use retinols or any vitamin a's, and sometimes when they experience the purging, they then get scared and go off of it and they try it again and they experience the purging all over again.
Speaker 2:So it is a consistent thing but, I, have noticed with some people they just don't work well with their skin and maybe it's just like there's tons of people out there that say, like put the vitamin A or the retinol on, and then I do like slug your face so like put it in Vaseline or like Aquaphor. So then you're like putting a barrier.
Speaker 3:So you put.
Speaker 2:Aquaphor, then you put the retinol and then you put Aquaphor on again. So there's things that you can do, but I have seen for some people it just doesn't react well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's almost like the sunscreens to me. And you have a great skin, so I have that reaction to it and I know when I go get my birthday, annual facials and stuff, that sometimes she'll put it on there. But then I'll leave it on for a little while as long as I can, but then I end up washing it off before too long, yeah, and just putting on my Cetaphil just to have that moisture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but yeah, and then temperatures are something too that also affects cold and hot.
Speaker 1:Extreme on either end can cause flare-ups, I my face and chest will get really red in this this summer heat yeah, mine too, and it always looks tan, which is funny um or red, like I'm sunburned, you know, and I I do notice too sometimes when I drink alcohol.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the redness gets worse and then also like over exercising saunas, hot tubs, anything that makes your internal body temperature go up could also. But I also was reading, which I thought is very interesting too a lot of people with rosacea affect it affects their mental health. So 100 million rosacea patients are far more likely to have anxiety and depression, according to a study in 2022. Because it just really affects your day-to-day life.
Speaker 3:It's more than just how it appears. Oh, yeah, so it's more like an insecurity. Yes, okay, yeah, okay, yeah. Or just like the way thinking.
Speaker 2:Also, if you put everything together, to what if people are experiencing it when they are going through menopause? And I know, like your hormones and everything is also a factor in mental health. Plus, now you're physically changing yeah, so it's just like a bunch of things adding up together, which makes sense. But when I saw it I was just like, yeah, that's interesting, wow but it definitely makes sense.
Speaker 2:Very interesting, had no idea um some good products or ingredients that you could use too for aging and for rosacea is sulfur. It has a lot of antibacterial and antiviral properties, also inflammatory Okay, so it helps with inflammation. Hyaluronic acid is another good one. Peptides are really good, so there's a lot of cleansers with peptides. There's a lot of serums with peptides. That helps rebuild the collagen and elastin in your skin.
Speaker 1:And again, I couldn't do hyaluronic acid because the same esthetician that had um referred me to the phytoceramides also, um, referred me to that as well and um it. I didn't react well to it on my skin skin. But there's actually a pill you can take. I didn't notice the same results as I did with the phytosurumide, so over the years I've kind of phased that out, because now I feel like I just take so many pills. Right, I just phased it out. But just for those who might want to try, it.
Speaker 3:Okay, there is an oral option.
Speaker 1:There is an oral option, so interesting if it does seem to bother you when you use it topically.
Speaker 2:I know I mentioned this before, but I was talking about active ingredients and especially with aging or just in general. The more active ingredients you use, the more likely you are to see results. So things like. I don't know if you guys heard of things like AHAs or BHAs, alpha hydroxy acids or beta hydroxy acids. I've heard of the hydroxy acids yeah.
Speaker 2:So there's two different ones and those are both active ingredients and they both help with cell turnover. So as we age, our cells don't replenish themselves the way that they used to, so those also help speed up that process, along with the peptides, like I was talking about for the collagen.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's good to know, Wow. Process along with the peptides, like I was talking about for the collagen? Okay, that's good to know, wow. And don't you do facial massages too?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna take a class in it. I've been looking at this one lady that does it and, yeah, they're called google massages and it's just well. First of all, for like just cosmetic reasons the reshaping and forming of the face.
Speaker 2:I feel like I never really realized how much water retention your face can have right yeah, or it looks puffy or inflamed when it's just sitting stuff that's just sitting underneath the surface of your skin. So the person that I'm looking at taking the class from, she goes like on the inside of your mouth and like, really like massages it wow but you can see like the blood vessels are all like.
Speaker 2:She also does this mass that like oxygenates, and you can see the blood vessels like pumping again and it's crazy. But it helps with oh my gosh, I'm blanking on what it's called right now Like lymphatic drainage, things like that just to get things moving and bringing it down. When you are doing it, she always says you have to make sure you bring everything back down to your heart, because that's where, because if you just like bring it down, you're getting rid of it.
Speaker 3:But it's just good to bring it to your heart because it could pump through. Yeah, probably. Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:But those are insane, the buccal massages.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:For the benefits and stuff too, especially, like I was saying, redness in general too, just to get things moving blood circulation. It's really good that's amazing. I would be interested in trying that yeah me too, and I also clenched my jaw oh, me too so.
Speaker 3:I think that that too would really help, kind of yes, yes, yes or you can use like um the gua sha.
Speaker 2:It's like that stone. I've been doing that to myself in the mornings or whenever I'm in the shower, and it has been helping a lot with my relaxing your jaw. Yeah, I grind my teeth at night too, and I wear a mouth guard, but I still can clench, and so yeah, yeah, it's painful. There's still tension, yeah and doing that daily really has made a difference in my pain, and my jaw too, I have and what's that?
Speaker 3:don't use it often okay, oh, okay awesome.
Speaker 2:I can get them from Amazon or anywhere.
Speaker 3:I like to make mine cold and then I put like an oil.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I put an oil on my skin so I have the slip. So I need to figure out something for my eye bags?
Speaker 1:I didn't. I noticed them and it's been a while, um, and I used to get them every now and then, like if I was congested or you don't have a sinus issue or something like that, and you guys can probably see my big bags and I think maybe it's more noticeable now because I don't wear any makeup at all. Yeah, where I used to feel that my eye cream that I use daily, or regularly, I should say, used to help, but it's not helping anymore and I didn't notice it so much. Maybe I was in denial, but it's like last week my granddaughter was over swimming and and my grandson but, um, and I had gotten them each goggles right, so they're in the pool like crazy, and so she took off her goggles and she had these rings around her eyes and my daughter-in-law said oh look, you look like Nana, you have Nana and I was like of course it takes me a minute and I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 1:But then she said it again like oh, look, your eyes are like nana's and I, and it wasn't even then. It was like hours later, after they had gone and I was relaxing, all of a sudden like the white ball went off and I was like, oh, my gosh, like they really do look mine worse than I thought.
Speaker 3:I always say I have allergy eyes. Yeah, because I always have a little bit of dark circle. And it's very common with people that have chronic allergies.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:But I do like when my allergies are worse and I have that inflammation in my sinus cavity, I do notice a lot more puffiness.
Speaker 1:And I think it's very common for women that are aging. It just is a fact. So I would love to ask you to help me find a way to help reduce that. Yeah, I do have those little eye mask things that you like, the gel ones that you can put on in there in the freezer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah, you know put it on but I don't really use it.
Speaker 1:But I would really like to figure out a way to help.
Speaker 3:Well, they do have like eye masks, right, just like a face mask, but just for your eyes, yep, but just for like right underneath your eyes.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, you could also put that, like Ashley was saying, the eye masks with the eye cap Okay and then I was going to say, if you don't put them in the fridge because some you can't because of the ingredients, right um, I have like a jade roller that I keep in my freezer and doing that in the morning it's just like marble or something right, and it really makes a difference for
Speaker 2:because you get one you should, because it really helps with the, the puffiness specifically of the under, well, all over your face really when I've used mine, I really feel almost like the circulation got better or something like I really feel this like vibrance, like around my eyes when I use it well, I'm so glad I asked because yeah
Speaker 2:it is little things like that that I feel like right away. Are you gonna see the difference now, when I've been guilty of so many times doing and being like no, I don't see anything. I'm not gonna do it anymore, but like the like with the gua too, the longer you do it it's like, oh wow, this actually does work, it just takes some time but, it does work cold specifically, I feel like for under eyes too, and then a lot of peptides.
Speaker 2:I would anything with peptides and I would recommend getting or hyaluronic acid, Cause that helps. Yeah but anybody else yeah yeah, awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you so much for joining us today, paige. It's always a pleasure to have you on our show. Yeah, we learned a lot today, thank, you so?
Speaker 2:much Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:And, as we are approaching the summer and the end of our first season coming up, just want to let everybody know that we'll now be dropping episodes every other week and not every week during the summer, so that we can enjoy the summer as we wind down our season one, but we'll be back in full swing at the beginning of fall, and that just about wraps it up for today. Thank you for joining us on. Let's talk midlife crisis.
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