Let's Talk Midlife Crisis Podcast
Hosts Ashley & Traci are creating a community and empowering women going thru midlife and aging, exploring the topic of midlife crisis an all its complexities. This is a space where we can come together to share our stories, our experiences, and our perspectives on this pivotal moment in our lives.
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Unlocking Youthful Skin: Insights on Microneedling, Botox, and Facial Therapies with Paige
Is microneedling the secret to youthful skin, or just another beauty trend? Join us as we dive deep into this cutting-edge skincare technique with our expert guest, Paige. We uncover how microneedling stimulates collagen and elastin production by creating micro wounds. Paige also shares crucial safety tips and why at-home microneedling might not be the best idea. We’ll navigate through the pain levels involved and the role of numbing creams, and even touch on the intriguing practice of incorporating PRP (Platelet-Rich Plasma) for enhanced results.
Ever wondered whether Botox or fillers are right for you? We break down the differences between these popular cosmetic procedures and what maintenance looks like for each. Discover how Botox freezes muscles to reduce movement and how fillers plump up the skin to create a youthful appearance. With personal experiences and ethical considerations in the mix, we provide a comprehensive look at the quest for noticeable results in skincare. Paige also offers insights into alternative treatments like microneedling and emphasizes the importance of choosing the right procedures for individual needs.
Finally, we uncover the therapeutic benefits of various facial treatments, from red light therapy to facial massages. Learn how these treatments improve circulation, reduce inflammation, and address discoloration. Paige discusses the dual benefits of devices with both red and blue lights for acne treatment and highlights how hydration and massages, such as buccal and scalp massages, can enhance overall skin health. As we wrap up, Paige shares her excitement about her upcoming trip to Italy and reminds everyone to stay connected with our dynamic community through social media. Join us on this journey to better skin and new adventures!
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Hello and welcome to let's Talk Midlife Crisis with your hosts, ashley and Tracy. Pull up a chair for your seat at the table as we talk about with Paige. Welcome back, paige, thank you. Thanks for having me again.
Speaker 1:It's always nice to have you here, Always nice, and today we're going to talk about aging skin. Perfect, yeah. And so we were just talking a few minutes ago that I had found something on social media about skin stamping, which is basically an at-home microneedling, and just wanted to pass it by you to see what you thought about it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So to backtrack a little bit, what microneedling is is you're creating micro wounds in the skin on purpose, and the whole purpose of that is just to go past the epidermis, which is the first layer of your skin. The needles go down to the dermis, which is where all the collagen and elastin is, and so making those wounds will then help generate new growth. So it's kind of like an analogy that I've heard from one of my educators when I was in school was like aerating the grass.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So like you take off the first layer, kind of you go down to make it all regrowth you go down to the roots and just kind of make it all come back better.
Speaker 2:So it'll help with less than collagen. Fine lines and wrinkles. Um, people use it to get rid of, like surgical scars, stretch marks, things like that, acne scars, acne scars yeah, a lot of things. They can do it all over your body. It doesn't have to just be your face. So if you have like, um, like stretch marks on your stomach, your thighs, anything like that, yeah, I didn't know that't either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it can be used anywhere on the body. Okay, and then to answer your question about the skin stamping, my professional advice is always never to do anything like that at home. Right, but you technically could. You just won't see that great of results because usually the brand that I think is the best is called Skin Pen. There's a lot of other professional brands out there. They all usually range from 0.25 millimeters to like 3 millimeters, so the skin stamping probably isn't going deep enough into your skin to actually cause effects and benefits from it.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting. So does it hurt at all? Because I'm thinking like all those little needles going in my skin.
Speaker 3:I've done it before and it does. I've done it before and it does. I don't want to say it hurts, I think it's just a matter of opinion, but it it doesn't feel good and I I kind of I mean it's kind of like people with tattoos Some people say it hurts really bad and some people are like, oh, it's not that bad, you know it just, I think.
Speaker 3:So I don't want to, yeah, so it really, I think, just depends on your pain tolerance, but it definitely is not something that's like necessarily relaxing, right, um, right, and again, it's, it's needles. You know they're going in, so you can imagine, you know, and I, I've never done anything like, um, what's the um therapy they use with the needles, acupuncture, acupuncture. I've never done that.
Speaker 2:I've heard that doesn't hurt at all. I've heard that doesn't hurt at all. Oh, is it? Microneedling came like in the history. It came from originally, like acupuncture and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:That's where they got the idea to do it. Yeah, okay, so it might depend on the device, but how many needles are actually in there?
Speaker 2:it does depend on the uh, the device usually about they're really. So it's like a really tiny circle. There's probably about like 15 to 20, and then, um, you turn it on, so it just goes like in and out of the skin and then you can change the depth. So how far it's going into the skin, so, like forehead, you may not want to go too deep, just because there's not really a lot of density and the needles.
Speaker 3:they're really thin, really not, and a lot of estheticians or medical professionals.
Speaker 2:Whoever's providing the treatment will use numbing cream. Before Right, I did yeah.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, she did put something on my face before. One of the things that I found really interesting was and I think most people do this estheticians do this, some don't, from what I understand, so after they do that, obviously you have some blood on your face.
Speaker 2:It's not like you're pouring out blood or anything. It's like pinpoint bleeding, which is good.
Speaker 3:Your goal is to try and get to the pinpoint bleeding, yeah, and she actually, when she finished, rubbed the blood all over my face and then sent me I lived very close, blocks away and then sent me home for an hour and then I went back to finish my treatment and it does something. The blood, I guess, is good, Like it does something for your skin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's like a vampire facial which is like PRP, and this is just kind of like a lesser version of that. Okay, so once you have the moist skin and the open pores, your blood on your skin has a lot of platelets and like growth factors in it.
Speaker 2:So then it enters into those holes deeper. When it comes to microneedling by itself, the blood is kind of like. I've seen a lot of mixed reviews on it. Some people say like it's not worth it, it doesn't provide results. Other people are very big on it. Some people say like it's not worth it, it doesn't provide results. Other people are very big on it and say like it's better to just have it there and hope that it does something. Okay, compared to like prp, where they're actually drawing blood from you, putting into a centrifuge, separating the platelets from it wow, and then micro-needling that into your skin so it's like fertilize if you go back to like the um analogy.
Speaker 2:I was using it's's like putting fertilizer and then pushing that into your skin, which is amazing. The benefits from that are, I mean, a lot better, obviously, and you would probably need less sessions compared to microneedling.
Speaker 3:Okay, oh, my goodness, I never even heard of that before I haven't either. So if you were to get a vampire facial, is your esthetician also a phlebotomist? Like they can drop blood, so is your esthetician also a phlebotomist?
Speaker 2:like they can drop blood, so for that you usually go. Sometimes I have nurses working or like a nurse as an esthetician one of the girls I went to esthetician school was just like it was a stopping point for her esthetician school. She was going to be a nurse so she could provide those facials along with pulling blood so I'm thinking, maybe like the medical spa yes versus correct the
Speaker 1:um luxury spas you would find in a resort, although I do know, in Arizona one of my friends went to just phlebotomy school.
Speaker 2:I guess, and she's an esthetician. But now she can pull blood at the same time, and then her boss has some medical degree, so she can pull the blood, the boss does the other part and then she'll finish off the facial with.
Speaker 1:Interesting Wow.
Speaker 3:That is interesting, so why would you want to do? I mean, I'm assuming it's more expensive, yep, and I'm assuming that people that are willing to spend that money and want to do that kind of treatment probably have severe scarring or it could be a range of things.
Speaker 2:They could probably, yes, severe scarring um acne scarring, maybe just aging fine lines and wrinkles as we all know, I have never had any plastic surgery on my face.
Speaker 1:I've never had Botox or fillers, and I love the sun. So I just always thought well, I'll wait until much later in life if I am going to do that. But recently, just the wrinkles the amount of wrinkles is, you know, pushing me to the point where it's starting to surface.
Speaker 3:yeah, it's like okay, it's time to do something.
Speaker 1:If you're gonna do it, it's time to do something now, and so I'm looking into that as opposed to okay. I just don't like the way botox and fillers yeah, make a more natural choice yeah yeah, so, um, it also could help with pore size.
Speaker 2:So if you have like large enlarged pores, getting it, putting the holes into that and then having them shrink, that appears smaller as well as like sunspots and hyperpigmentation that's another reason. If you have dark spots on your face, whether it's from aging or hyperpigmentation from the sun or anything like that, poking the holes into that breaks up the color as well, and so it can come back faded, and the more you get it done, it could actually get rid of hyperpigmentation on your face.
Speaker 3:Is there any reason that you couldn't do the treatment? Are there like conditions or anything like that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there are some contraindications which are just like they use it in the esthetician world. It just means like people who shouldn't get it done. If you're pregnant, I've read that you shouldn't get it done. I'm not sure exactly what it is. Because of that Interesting, if you have any sort of like autoimmune disorder or immune system or healing issue, like maybe you heal like type two diabetics they heal a lot slower. Some do not all of them but that could be a side effect of type 2 diabetes. Would never recommend it for them because their face isn't healing at a normal process.
Speaker 2:So, it could kind of go backwards and just not be a good situation. But microneedling is good for people of all skin colors, so this could be good for them if they have acne scars and things like that, as opposed to lasers, because lasers could actually cause hypo or hyperpigmentation. So microneedling is a better choice for people of all skin colors.
Speaker 3:Okay, I haven't even thought about that. And the recovery, though, because obviously you don't right after want to go into the sun or anything like that, but I think it's only just like two days right, it's very minimal.
Speaker 2:Okay, by the next morning, if you are leaving the blood on your face or if you are getting prp facials, you leave the plasma on your face for at least 24 hours, they say, and that's a clear like so you don't look it's not like the blood, it's clear. Yeah, I remember it just being kind of like a pink yeah yes, you know, and then once you wipe that off, you may be a little swollen or red but, yeah, like you said, but then 48 hours, 72 hours yeah, so it's not even as evasive as the peels
Speaker 1:oh no those chemical, yeah, like you could go to work the next day.
Speaker 2:I think I went to work the next day. It's not noticeable, if anything. It looked like maybe my face was a little sunburned, but right, nothing serious maybe even just a little puffy yeah yeah, um, yeah, and I remember.
Speaker 3:Once that all went away, my skin did feel a lot more firm and soft and um yeah, I I noticed a noticeable difference but I did it one time and, to my understanding, it's typically something that you would need to do several times and then maybe, just like you know, keep up on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how many times would be optimal if you were someone like me that's really trying to get rid of, and it's maybe more than the fine lines and wrinkles right now.
Speaker 2:Right, I'd say about four sessions to see. I mean, you're definitely going to see results along the way. Four sessions is usually like the area that they say if you need more after, you can always go back and then kind of just make it a maintenance thing, so like if you see maybe your discoloration is coming back or something like that, then you can go and keep up with it for maintenance reasons.
Speaker 1:Okay, so four times. And how often do you go?
Speaker 2:Maybe once a month, or I think they recommend when I was in school we did four to six weeks, okay, yeah. Depending, and if they have any any issues or anything, you could always make it longer Right Things like that.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Oh I forgot. Another reason you should not get it done is if you have any. Maybe you have herpes around your mouth and you're having an outbreak. Wait until the outbreak goes away. Active pimples you never want to microneedle over. Okay, so if you have active acne at the time, push it off until and your esthetician should be able to see that and just be like, yeah, let's wait a couple weeks until it goes down, Because then yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3:So you said you could do it anywhere on your body. What about and I feel like this would be really painful, but I would love to try it what about your chest? Yeah, you can do it on your chest. I just I mean, you know, obviously like that bone might not feel as great you know, that skin is very thin. I imagine it would be a little more painful than your face.
Speaker 1:But you know I'm finding my decollete is redder than it used to be Mine too, and I was going to ask about rosacea because I have rosacea, so that's not a problem for microneedling. No, and I wonder would it help at all?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you said that you noticed some benefits from it.
Speaker 3:That's why I did it. Yeah, because I started getting a little rosacea and I I did just one treatment notice an improvement um, because I think on the chest and the deck in that area that I have a lot of red as well.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I've come to get used to it and they're very it's.
Speaker 2:Three millimeters is the deepest it would go, and so it's especially if you have numbing cream on you, you're really not gonna. I mean maybe like on the collarbones, but also I feel like you. Yeah, I really go over the collarbones and more like around it.
Speaker 3:You might feel it kind of hit the bone not necessarily hit the bone, but you know, yeah, we're all touching it. But yeah, I think um the numbing cream helped immensely. I've not done it without, so I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't think a lot of people offer it without. I mean some people even offer like, like, if it's a medical facility like laughing gas and stuff, oh gosh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't remember the last time I had laughing gas.
Speaker 1:I used to get it at the dentist, but I don't think they offer it as much. I don't think they do, for whatever reason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's probably not good for you, but whatever, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:A lot of like get botox and fillers too.
Speaker 2:I've seen people offer in their offices too for just botox and filler. I shouldn't say just botox and filler. Some people depends on the person right.
Speaker 1:And again, I have never had it, so I wouldn't know, but that's interesting most everybody that I know has had botox yeah, at least, and perhaps fillers too, and yeah, I know a lot of people that have their lips done, but clearly I don't need that.
Speaker 3:So what, um? What is the difference between botox and fillers?
Speaker 2:so botox is more of like you're freezing the muscles in the area. So if you get it in your forehead you're freezing the area so you don't have like when you frown or make facial expressions it's not moving as much. Right, filler is more so whether somebody has like, um, like is losing density in their skin, maybe their skin is saggingging, things like that. You put filler in the area so it like plumps it up and then kind of like brings it back.
Speaker 2:Oh, so yeah, Okay, so it's filler, so like underneath your eyes and stuff if you are having like sagging you'll put filler here and it just kind of like plumps the skin and like cause, if you think of more like youthful, like not puffy is not the right word, but like plump skin, right, that's what you're doing. You're kind of like filling the skin back up, okay.
Speaker 3:And when you get it done like is, do you have to go back and get more? Is it something that, over time, will go away?
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, yeah, I'm not sure how often.
Speaker 1:I've never gotten Botox in fellas either I feel like it's 90 days-ish like three to four months from the women that I know that have it done, yeah, maybe even six months, up to six months.
Speaker 2:I think it would depend upon the person. And I think the more you get it, the more you can go longer without it. Yeah, and fillers can be dissolved. So if you ever have like a really bad experience with fillers, you can get them dissolved.
Speaker 1:Of course you can get them dissolved. Of course you have to go back and spend more money, but right, oh, that's true, that's true. Um, and I do seem to be now, um, aging, more sensitive to different things. Um, you know products I can't wear SPF at all on my face or my chest. Um, so to know that you can take it out is comforting, but I just think of all of those Like Priscilla Presley, I know.
Speaker 2:And you don't recognize them. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's just, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I want to age gracefully, yeah.
Speaker 1:But you still have some vanity.
Speaker 2:Right. And if you find a good provider too, like some people are very, very conscious of, like We'll do a little bit here and a little bit there, see how you feel about that, um, come back and we'll change it. And then some people I've even had my friends that have gotten it done and say, like they told me, like I'm not going to do any more to you, or like wow so there's some people that are very ethical about it out there. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:They all should.
Speaker 2:They should yeah.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, I, my older sister does Botox on her 11, you know the two lines between your eyebrows and her crow's feet and she looks great, it doesn't? I mean, she definitely still has facial expressions, yeah, so I think you know, if you're doing it in moderation it's not going to look too crazy, right? But I'm kind of with you, tracy. I feel a little weird about injecting things into my body like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, and it's probably more affordable to do Botox than do you know, the microneedling, and especially if you have to, you know, do it four times. But ultimately to me it just seems safer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it makes more sense to do something more natural. I was going to say it seems more natural, which poking needles in your face perhaps doesn't even sound natural. I feel like it does. It might be a natural alternative. Yeah, and something, because you know I'm using all these creams and eye patches and you know you name it eye gels and different things but I want that dramatic change, right?
Speaker 3:you know I'm looking for something that you can definitely see the result yeah, and I think that you know, those things are just kind of a temporary fix yes, you might notice results right after you take your eye patch off.
Speaker 1:But by the end of the day. Right, it's back, as well as some of the creams you know, like in the morning and I put it on and I think, oh, it looks good. But even you know, by noon or if you go a couple of days without it.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh, now I'm completely back to square one Right, it was before I even started using the product and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but going back to what you said about the microneedling doesn't seem like natural and stuff. I seem like natural and stuff. I mean, obviously it's not. You're causing those wounds to your skin on purpose, but then it is triggering just your natural healing process. So it is a little bit more natural than compared to, like, um, botox fillers and things like that, right. Then there's another type of microneedling called RF microneedling, which is radio frequency, which that one does involve lasers and is very, very painful. That one, yeah, imagine you, everyone I've seen get it done. We did it in when I was in esthetician school and one of my friends became a laser technician and I've talked to her about it as well, and everyone uses laughing gas with that because you're not only are you microneedling your skin, but then around it is where the radio frequency comes in, so it's lasering around it while microneedling.
Speaker 1:Oh my, my gosh, that sounds intense and that's totally different than red light therapy, right? Is there a red light therapy thing or some kind of a light therapy?
Speaker 2:The light is red so that maybe it may have the benefits from the red light as well. But red light therapy would just be like if you're just doing that you're just putting the light on your face.
Speaker 1:There's no pain involved at all.
Speaker 3:It kind of sounds like laser hair removal, like the laser right. We talked about that very similar last week.
Speaker 1:I went I had to do maintenance right and um, and apparently I haven't been back since 2018, so it was horrible and I waited until it was so bad I couldn't stand it.
Speaker 1:But it was funny. Talking to her. She said that I'll go probably through the end of the year, maybe into early next year, so the next three or four months. But then she said that now they recommend and of course she also said that their lasers are more powerful than they used to be yeah, which is good, because then hopefully it would take less time to achieve the same results. But also she said they recommend now going back, like maybe, and she said December, january of every year, just on an annual basis as you age. Because you know it's funny how the hair stops growing on your body but yet it
Speaker 1:starts on your face in every way possible, but so I didn't realize that Wow. And it doesn't hurt the laser to me, doesn't hurt the laser to me, right, um, doesn't hurt spending. Because she was like, oh, testing it, cause I did, just did my chin and my lip, and she was like, oh, this might feel a pinch, and I thought I don't feel anything.
Speaker 1:Wow but you know the lip was a little different, but they also push air, yeah, air that comes out as well, so there's something unnatural about that going up your nose Right. It distracts you a little bit, they kind of use the?
Speaker 3:what's it the thing that the doctor Popsicle stick? Yeah, tongue presser.
Speaker 1:Exactly, but it still does go up. So I think that sensation was a little bit different, but it didn't hurt at all.
Speaker 3:It doesn't hurt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, and considering. They said that the lasers are stronger now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and considering they said that the lasers are stronger now. Yeah, Because you just talked about that and the pain and stuff. I've noticed that too about lasers. The stronger they get with technology and stuff, they're usually able to make it hurt less as well which is a great thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, going back to the red light therapy, how would you benefit from that on your skin?
Speaker 2:It helps a lot with circulation inflammation, some discoloration as well, and there's a lot with circulation inflammation, some discoloration as well, and there's a lot of benefits I know like for your mental health as well. I don't know too much about that, but I know there's a couple places around here that offer a red light therapy almost like waiting room. So, you pay extra, but then you get to like sit in there for 20 to 30 minutes before your treatment and then you go in for your treatment.
Speaker 3:I've had it done on my neck and back back um, just you know when I was going to the chiropractor and dealing with some issues that I had, I had a lot of inflammation, yeah, and it I felt a difference.
Speaker 2:If you can buy some really cool like face and neck ones now I think one's omni lux I think that's the brand that, um, a lot of my esthetician friends have and they just put it on at night when they're laying in bed watching TV, because you can still see and stuff. So they just.
Speaker 3:Is there? Are there different like voltages, or is there something specific that you should look for?
Speaker 2:That's a good question. I don't know, but I do know you should. If you have one with red and blue lighting and then like red blue separately and then a mix of red and blue together, that's really good because the blue helps kill bacteria. So if you're struggling with acne or stuff like that, um, you can put that on your face, especially if you maybe pop your pimple or you have contractions or it's just really inflamed and like cystic under the skin.
Speaker 2:I seem to yeah blackheads from blackheads more than anything okay, you know, yeah on pimples, but um, yeah, those darn blackheads oh, it's not like I don't exfoliate yeah, I know, I know you just can't avoid it.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, but I also don't drink enough fluids, so, um, I know that I'm not as hydrated as I should be, which also contributes, right it's that hydration, what it, how much it affects?
Speaker 3:right, absolutely, um. And then one thing I just wanted to touch on quickly before we wrap up. We talked a little bit about the face facial massaging, and that too, I think is really beneficial. Oh yeah, for sure, in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:So they what it's called is a buccal massage, and they massage the inside and outside of your face, oh and so they'll kind of like put their hands in your mouth and then just like massage the area and that helps with like circulation, blood flow maybe even sinuses.
Speaker 1:I for sure yep sinuses, tmj issues um it's really good.
Speaker 2:Just a lot of people get it done, kind of just for relaxation and massages I have a couple friends that get it done for tmj issues, because they're all the buildup and fluid and then um drains through your lymph nodes there's a lot, I know when you do my facials and you're, whether it's the soap or the lotion, whatever you're massaging it in when you massage right there at the back of my jaw.
Speaker 3:It's just heavenly.
Speaker 2:So yeah, improved blood circulation, excessive fluid removal, reduced puffiness, tighter skin in the lower face. So if you're, I know it's as I mean I am experiencing it now.
Speaker 3:I'm not even 30 yet you start to notice yeah wait, why is this chin getting?
Speaker 2:it can cover with reduced acne as well, because you're just acne is like. I mean, obviously it's clogging your pores and there can be a lot of buildup underneath the skin. So just getting that circulation flowing, things like that could help um, decrease tension in the lower phase, reduce chronic pain and then sinus discomfort as well yeah, a lot with that.
Speaker 1:It seems like it's a two, four right and it's a win-win oh, I would.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I would pay just to get a facial massage oh yeah, I mean that's a huge, a lot of.
Speaker 2:I've seen a lot more estheticians going and getting their certification in that, because it's like to add that onto a facial treatment is absolutely yeah, and you might as well make the extra money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I tend to add the scalp massage in as well, just because it's so relaxing at the end of your session.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I know a lot of um massage places offer um just a cranial massage. Yes, if you don't want a full body or you know you can get, just get the cranial, which I'm sure you know. I would imagine that even your hair follicles benefit from that.
Speaker 1:See, I was thinking that too, because as you age and I am noticing it now it's kind of scary. But the hair loss that you have and the texture With COVID, it was like is this a COVID thing, or is this aging? Yeah, you have, and the texture with covid it was like is this a covid thing or is this? Aging, yeah, you know, but either way it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:I know that I'm losing hair and you can almost see, and I think too, the texture of your hair changes oh yeah, mine's definitely. I wouldn't say it's more necessarily dry, but yeah, maybe more coarse and frizzy kind of. Yeah, that happens too.
Speaker 2:You can even get prp microneedling done to your scalp, like a lot of men get it done when they start to like like men or women can get it done.
Speaker 2:But if you start thinning your hair, yeah, because you're the circulation you're going, because sometimes when people are losing hair it's not necessarily that there actually is no hair there. There are a lot of things could affect just the circulation of the blood flow, which then causes less hair growth. So the microneedling they're going back in, poking those little holes, get it to like re-stimulate and then putting the blood into to just help with that as well, wow, that's amazing yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, well, as always, it's just wonderful to have you here, paige. We can't get enough of you.
Speaker 3:I know, I know I could do this every week and it's always changing, so it is always changing, it is always changing, but thank you so much yeah you
Speaker 1:know, that you're going to italy yes um within a couple weeks so I know, thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yes, I'm very excited.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me, and we look forward to you coming back again. Yes, absolutely, and that just about wraps it up for today. Thank you for joining us on. Let's Talk. Midlife Crisis Embrace the change.
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