Let's Talk Midlife Crisis Podcast
Hosts Ashley & Traci are creating a community and empowering women going thru midlife and aging, exploring the topic of midlife crisis an all its complexities. This is a space where we can come together to share our stories, our experiences, and our perspectives on this pivotal moment in our lives.
Whether you're going through a midlife crisis yourself, going through menopause, dating in midlife or just interested in learning more about this fascinating topic, we invite you to join us for insightful conversations with experts, personal stories from real people, and practical advice on how to navigate this challenging time.
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Let's Talk Midlife Crisis Podcast
What to do if your partner is having a midlife crisis
Unlock the secrets of navigating midlife transitions with grace and insight. Have you ever wondered why the term "midlife crisis" often evokes fear instead of understanding? Explore the origins and evolution of this concept, first coined by Dr. Elliot Jacques, and discover that it's not just about age. We'll uncover research showing that only 26% experience a midlife crisis, usually sparked by significant life events, and discuss why individuals with a history of crises or neurotic tendencies might be more susceptible.
Join us as we tackle the complex intersection between perimenopause and depression, and the crucial role compassion plays during this transformative time. This episode brings to light the internal journey of self-reflection, where achievements and aspirations are recalibrated amidst physical changes. We offer a fresh perspective by suggesting a paradigm shift—from fearing a "crisis" to embracing a "transition" or "awakening." Our discussion also highlights the financial and familial changes that define this life phase, providing a roadmap to navigate everything from parenting shifts to retirement prep.
Finally, laugh and learn as we explore practical wisdom and humor in facing midlife adventures. We challenge you to support your loved ones with curiosity and open communication using the "Don't S-A-C" approach. Learn how to foster a nonjudgmental space that prioritizes listening over advising, while recognizing gender differences in midlife experiences. Don't miss out on our tips for encouraging professional help and therapy as tools for growth. Connect with us on social media at Let's Talk Midlife Crisis to share your stories and insights.
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Welcome to let's Talk Midlife Crisis.
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Speaker 1:What to do if your partner is having a midlife crisis. So we talk a lot about what we can do for ourselves when we're experiencing it, but sometimes you're, you know, going through different even if you're both in your midlife you and your partner. You're having different experiences, you know. So it's different for everybody and we've talked about that. So this is more of just a focus on what you can do to help your partner if they're having a crisis, rather than an awakening.
Speaker 2:Or even a friend than an awakening Perfect. Or even a friend, but more so. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Anybody, any loved one. So in 1957, dr Elliot Jacques presented a paper to the British Psychoanalytical Society. It was titled Death and the Midlife Crisis. This is kind of some research that he did surrounding this. It was later published in 1965, which is when the idea of midlife was actually born, right, so it was in the 60s, which really wasn't that long ago. So he actually identified that people in their mid-30s experienced a depressive period marked by symptoms like promiscuity that's a tough one for me to say Apathy, excessive concern of health and looks, and sometimes a spiritual awakening or an attempt to find themselves. So this was, I mean he was finding that people in their mid-30s were experiencing this, which all makes sense, right, all of this.
Speaker 1:It does and I think, um, I think now that sounds kind of young and I'll get into that, um, but if you think about the difference in growing up in the you know, fifties, sixties, forties, fifties, sixties, versus now, by the time people are in their thirties, they're, they've been married for quite some time, they have kids, right, and now you don't see that quite as much, right, you know. So people are still potentially single, or maybe just newly married or focused.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So these people at the time in their 30s were in a much different position than a lot of people now in their 30s. So what they found with midlife and this is some research, this additional research that's been done it actually really happens now between 45 and 55, which makes more sense based off what I just shared. Um, people wake up and realize their lives are half over. Yeah, potentially, I remember that for me, yeah, it was scary, right. Yeah, um, and and it again, potentially that it's not truth, so right, but based off when, you know, my grandparents passed and my great grandparents, but, like their ages, um, you know, given you know, I've probably done a lot more things that they never did.
Speaker 2:I trashed my body. As far as drugs and alcohol, I trashed my body. Yeah, so yeah potentially at 46,.
Speaker 1:I could be halfway through my life, you know, yeah. So in the 1990s researchers started analyzing. There was a huge research that was done called Midlife in the United States. It found that not everyone experiences this. Only 26% of the participants reported an actual crisis, which is a lot lower than I thought. They also found that most happened before 40 or after 50, which is kind of crazy.
Speaker 1:Out of the 26% that said it was a crisis for them, a vast majority said it was brought on by a major event and not their age interesting yeah so and though that being, you know, the death of a loved one, a divorce, health issues, a job change, you know, job loss, whatever, or moving a big move right. So that was really what was happening that caused this crisis. Okay, you know, most midlifers are typically healthy, busy social lives, peaks of earnings, or you know their careers and satisfied. Most have crises. Most that do have crises, they're prone to crisis. Um, they're highly neurotic or, um, they have, you know, a lot of crises throughout their life, right, and so that's typically when they're seeing people that have an actual crisis, that it's something that they were prone to already, um or again, like I said, a big event or maybe something even that happened when they were younger.
Speaker 1:Because so many things, the me too.
Speaker 2:Movement brought up all of these suppressed, you know, situations or and I've talked about that- too.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, I recently starting therapy in the last year and doing the emdr treatments, um, I've had some like major revelations at age 46 about my childhood. So, yeah, I can absolutely see that the National Bureau of Economic Research Analysis in Life Satisfaction found that happiness starts a gradual decline sometime in your late teens and continues until sometime in your 40s. So your happiness starts to increase again after you know, potentially between 40 and 50 or after in your fifties. Okay, so it's like I thought that was really strange Late teens your happiness starts to decline. But I think that's brought on by a lot of pressure that we get from our parents and society.
Speaker 1:You know, I've always said it's not fair to tell an 18-year-old, when they start college, that they need to decide what they're going to do for the rest of their lives. Right, that's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1:You know, 1.3 billion random people in 51 countries were part of this research. They did, oh wow. Random people in 51 countries were part of this research. They did, oh, wow. So even though the research shows that we get happier again as we age, there's a belief that happiness just declines in a long downward slide the older we get. You know, they always say you're over the hill, it's all downhill.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:So if you're in that happiness slump, you likely think it's just going to keep getting worse and worse, and that could definitely spark some midlife crisis. You know behaviors, um, like leaving your family for someone younger, pulling money out of your kid's college account to buy the Porsche that you had your eye on. You know things like that. That's why you see people making those kinds of rash decisions, um, so this was really interesting to me. Um, this is kind of where I get into how you help your partner identify, or how you identify what's really happening with them. Is it midlife crisis or is it depression topic because, um, as I mentioned to you earlier, I saw a psychiatrist last week and, um, she was asking me you know it was just an evaluation, um, and I just kind of felt like, you know, my therapy has been great, it's just not quite enough. I'm in this really weird slump, this like gloom, and then, you know, it was election week, so that probably didn't help me too much, but, um, so, yeah, it was just perfect timing to see her, and they ask you a lot of different questions that range from what was your childhood like, how you respond to things now, and basically they're trying to understand your baseline so they can determine if you need to be diagnosed or what your diagnosis is and what would help you, you know, to treat your situation.
Speaker 1:And in her asking me a lot of these questions, one of them was you know, like, physically, how does your anxiety affect you? Are you getting like night sweats, are you getting? And the things she was listing off, I was like, okay, well, now that I'm thinking about this, yes, I do have those symptoms, but they're not on days where I felt super anxious. So now I'm going. Okay, all this time I've been thinking, oh, I'm going through perimenopause, I'm going through that. That's why this is happening. That's why, when, in reality, I think I'm depressed, you know, and it's, I think it's just temporary, but it's something I'm, you know, trying to work through, obviously, and so it's really probably not perimenopause. However, I am having symptoms because of perimenopause and I don't really think it's anxiety. So I just kind of started going, bouncing back and forth and going what is it?
Speaker 2:What is it really? I think it's so hard to tell yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's so hard to tell I think it is for both men and women, but women especially because of the hormonal changes that we go through. So, according to the CDC, in the US, women between the ages of 40 and 59 have the highest rates of depression of any group based on age or gender.
Speaker 2:You know, I can see that. I can see that just because I don't think. I've ever had depression throughout my life. But in my 50s 40s was I was still in denial, but 50s, I think, hit me like when I hit you. Yeah, and also because physically my body started changing right the wrinkles and the skin issues and losing hair.
Speaker 1:It's kind of an identity crisis. You know, it's like I am not the same person physically that I used to be. I'm the same person, but physically I am not Right Looking in the mirror and you don't recognize yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. In addition, suicide rates are highest during these years, particularly with white men. In fact, people between the ages of 45 and 54 are more likely to kill themselves than in any other age group. I would have thought it was young adults as well, but I, going back to um, you know, just thinking about outside, of anything that had anything to do with me personally or people that had to do with me personally, just like seeing, you know, you see headlines on the news, this, you know middle-aged man killed his kids and his wife and himself right like you see stuff like that, and so I'm like you know what that's that probably yeah it's probably actually very true.
Speaker 1:I mean it is. They did research on it. Um, most people have the stereotype in their head of someone who can't get out of bed, who can't find joy anywhere in life. Um, although there are certainly some people who fit that description, many depressed people are active members of their community. You see them running the bake sale at school, showing up to work every day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's the hardest. I think, what happens behind closed doors and I always told my kids that when they were little. You know just because so-and-so seems to have it all. You never know what's happening with them at home. So be, compassionate and be kind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or even with you know the kid that's bullying at school. We don't know what's going on in his home.
Speaker 2:We don't know what his life is like.
Speaker 1:So try to be kind, you know, even though they're not. I've always told my kids that, like be the better person, you don't know what their life is like Exactly so, exactly so this is based upon men and women, correct?
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, this research that the CDC did was based on men and women in midlife, because if you're going through menopause, and your steps is also going through a midlife crisis.
Speaker 1:That could be quite a lot going on in your household.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, for a partner that you've been with for many, many years, right and.
Speaker 1:I'll get into that. You know the things, the conversations that you can have together and the things to look for, even if it's not something you want to bring up to your partner, but stuff to really look for Right. And then maybe you know recommend. You know things, or just even your insight. But, um so midlife is a normal stage of life. We all go through it. Um, what if, instead of calling it a midlife crisis, we call it a midlife transition? We've talked about an awakening. You know what, if it's just something to be expected and not feared, trying to embrace.
Speaker 2:it's difficult.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean all adults go through a series of stages as they age, and that's what the midlife transition is. It's just another stage of life. It makes sense that during these midlife years, people would be evaluating where they are in life.
Speaker 2:I was just thinking that, yeah for people that had very high aspirations for themselves yes, when they were younger, whereas I felt like I didn't have high aspirations for myself. So now, looking back we've talked about this, right, I think oh yeah, tracy would probably be proud of me, I did, did pretty damn good. Yeah, exactly but yeah, I think it depends also a lot on where you are in your life. Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Financial, you know finances have so much to do with everything they do, and especially, I think, at this point in your life, because I think we've talked about this before, I think we've talked about this before I feel like up until this part of my life, I was striving to create a lifestyle and provide for my family in the way that I wanted. That like my vision of that. And now my kids are gone, I although we we could get into the economy and how they can barely afford to live on their own.
Speaker 1:So I'm still helping them, um, but I don't have that same responsibility. I choose to at this point because they're all adults Now. I choose to continue to help them, um, but it's not something I have. I'm not putting food on the table for them necessarily or putting a roof over their head.
Speaker 1:And so now it's like, okay, I need to evaluate things and say, okay, am I putting enough money away for my future so that I can retire, retirement? Am I doing the things that I want to do? Do like like you want to travel? Yes, you know you, we both bought houses.
Speaker 2:I was going to say, yeah, so people that haven't purchased a home because now it's almost unattainable with. You know the cost of homes and the interest rates you know going up. But what's funny about the interest rate is when I bought my first house, it was actually a condo, but the interest rates were in the double digits. Oh yeah, that was.
Speaker 1:That was just the way it was. It was the way it was.
Speaker 2:So now to say oh, interest rates are up, they're actually still much lower than my first house, but a lot of people don't have the opportunity to purchase their own home Well, and the problem too is that the cost of the real estate has gone up so much.
Speaker 1:So you know, back when I bought my first house I think I was, I don't even know if I was 30 yet I don't I might've been 30. I don't think so. I there's no way in a million years I could have afforded anything over $300,000. Yeah, no way, I mean. And interest rates I think my interest rate was like around four points something. It was very low. Um, and now that same house that I bought and paid 235 000 for, I guarantee you it's worth six or seven hundred thousand. It was a five bedroom house, you know, it's a huge.
Speaker 1:I couldn't afford to buy my home now if I hadn't bought it years ago um, I wouldn't be able to afford it absolutely crazy, so that that's just compounded the situation. You know, and it it was always an aspiration for me to buy my own home and luckily I was able to at a young age.
Speaker 2:but that's just unheard of now for kids and that's just one of many things that you can aspire to do, right you know, maybe you wanted to go back to school or finish your education, or a lot of people in midlife go back to get their master's or phd yeah yeah, um.
Speaker 1:So how do you know if it's actually a crisis?
Speaker 2:um one of the magic question yes, um.
Speaker 1:So these are things to and this you know. Obviously, you can do this evaluation on yourself too, but these are things to kind of look for with your partner or your friend um know, family member apathy is one of the most common signs. Um, you just feel blah about everything on an ongoing basis. Um, it might be difficult to get yourself motivated or to feel really happy with things that you used to enjoy. Again, this is where it ties into. Is this like a midlife thing, or am I actually depressed? You know resentment and blame, the feeling of that. Maybe you're starting to resent having to cook meals every night for your family, or the assumption that you'll continue to be the primary breadwinner. That's a lot of weight to have on your side of weight.
Speaker 1:Your thoughts are continually coming back to what's in it. For me, this isn't fair, or I'm so tired of this. Yes, the future doesn't look good. If you're looking to your future and all you see is more of the same feeling of monotony, you might be in a midlife crisis mode. Maybe you're regretting past decisions. You don't see a way forward. That isn't bleak. Why didn't I start saving for retirement earlier?
Speaker 2:Yes, that's me.
Speaker 1:Are you filled with the feelings of regret or how you've lived your life or decisions you've made thus far and again? These are conversations that you can have with your loved one. You know. Ask them these questions. Or maybe they're just vocalizing it and you pay attention. Pay attention to what they're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or try to open those lines of communication, yeah ask the questions.
Speaker 1:Um a lot of jealousy. Are you looking around and thinking everyone else has it better than you? Or maybe you keep wanting to live someone else's life? Or you're always jealous of your partner and thinking they have a better life than you do.
Speaker 2:I think that's the american way is I know? Grass is always greener and the envy and jealousy of those who have more than you. Material things have become so important. Yeah, it's really sad and status?
Speaker 1:right, oh, absolutely Absolutely. Making impulsive and reckless decisions. Are you quitting your job or asking for a divorce without thinking past the next few hours? Right, right? Are you spending money on things asking for a divorce without thinking past the next few hours? Right, right? Are you spending money on things you can't afford without thinking of long-term consequences? In other words, are you trying to do things to avoid your current reality and create a new one quickly?
Speaker 2:I did that a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want a different life.
Speaker 2:I remember that I remember one time when I quit my old job, which I was there for 15 years, but I had left twice and came back. And one of those times I remember just walking out the door and thinking I want a different life. I want a quick change, I want a different life, you know so I the boyfriend was gone, new job, but a year later I wasn't happy, went back to the old job and the old boyfriend.
Speaker 1:The old boyfriend.
Speaker 1:But then I still wasn't happy and I felt like oh, you're just settling, but I definitely get that, I definitely get that yeah, I get it too Consistent boredom or restlessness. This is linked to feelings of apathy. Is nothing pleasing to you right now? Do you notice you're feeling bored or restless, often even doing things you used to enjoy? Um, this was something that I kind of thought about too in my evaluation with my psychiatrist. Um, I think this is common for people who grow up with a lot of chaos and you get to a point in your life and it's like I think some people create chaos when there isn't any. Yes, because they're bored.
Speaker 1:There are definitely personalities of people that do that, yeah, whether it's in your professional life or in your personal life, yeah, and so, and and I don't feel like I'm one of those people, but I think that a lot of the thought processes I have sometimes are because of that it's it's like my life is too good right now or boring quote, unquote, right. So I start having these thought processes that create chaos for myself, and so I'm not necessarily creating it like situations, but it's in my head, you know, and that was kind of a revelation that I had in having that evaluation, but it really made me think about it, and when I did this and found these points, I thought, okay, I resonate with that in some form. You know, um, you start questioning everything. Are you asking a lot of big questions Like what's my life's purpose? Is this all there is? Am I doing the right things with my life? Do you feel like it's hard to decide what you should be doing next? Fulfillment, yeah Right.
Speaker 1:So if you know these are things that you're seeing within yourself or your loved one, what do you do? First of all, don't label it. We've been talking about midlife depression. Don't label it. Even if you're sure your partner's having a midlife crisis, do not label it. It's not your job and it generally will put people on the defense when we label them, so it's not really it's like the period, right Right, you fence when we label them, so it's not really.
Speaker 1:It's like the period, right, right you never say, oh, it's that time of the month, yeah, yeah, it's not helpful?
Speaker 2:It really isn't.
Speaker 1:Just don't label it, yeah, so instead, this is what you want to do. You want to be curious. You want to ask a lot of questions without being sure you know the answer. Don't try to drive them to a solution that you've already decided on. Instead, ask questions to figure out together what steps might happen next. Okay, Don't sack. That's S-A-C. This is not a time for offering suggestions, giving advice or criticizing. I like that.
Speaker 2:I do too.
Speaker 1:Sack. Don't sack me, I do too. Okay, really listen to them. Provide a nonjudgmental space to allow your partner to talk about their feelings and why they're upset. Check yourself. Your own fear is going to come up during this process. You don't need to be continually checking in with yourself, or you do need to I'm sorry to make sure you're coming from love and not fear. Right, um, be loving, open, patient, compassionate, kind. Don't be worried and obsessive and anxious and overbearing and codependent or withdrawn. Really be genuine in that you have concerns and you want to work through this together and you are there to support them 100%. Not to judge, not to solve it on your own. You know. Come up with your own idea of what's happening to them. This is something, this is a journey that you can go on together and not judging is super important but it's also super hard to do.
Speaker 1:It is super hard to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think for most people, for me, but I would have to guess for most people. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because there's this stigma around midlife. You know there's a stigma around depression, right, and so it's easy to just immediately go oh, this is what it is, and start going. You know, well, this is what you need to do. You need to get help, you need to? No, don't go there and I'll tell you when you should. You should, um, so help them. Tip number two is help them focus on purpose. Okay, when you're asking these wonderful questions and listening non-judgmentally, you can then move into helping your partner focus on their bigger purpose.
Speaker 1:A recent study from the britishological Society found that people who experienced a quarter or of midlife crisis and became super focused on their purpose in life, they were able to come up with creative solutions to get them through this challenging time. So it's really and that can be different things. For people, it can be going back to church. Maybe you grew up going to church and you didn't go most of your adult life, right? You know there's a long hiatus, yeah, yeah, and, like you said, it could be, you know, finding the right job. It could be. Some people wait a long time to have kids. So they're almost 40. Some women in their forties have kids. You know, there's different things that help people find their purpose.
Speaker 2:Everybody is easily open to discussing it, Right? Maybe I and I am gravitated towards, maybe men, Right?
Speaker 1:So if you're, you know, trying to communicate with your, you know husband or you know male partner, and they don't want to communicate, that's different too, absolutely, and we've talked about a lot of the differences that men and women experience and you know, based off research, women tend to, as they're going through these physical changes and you know, thinking about life, tend to get more depressed. Right, men tend to get more angry. So that's yeah, so that, and a lot of times you know when you're depressed or angry you don't want to talk.
Speaker 1:You don't want to talk about it, right? So that's where I come in with tip number three Okay, get help. There you go. Once you've asked the questions and listened, you can be in a position to offer a suggestion, and the only one that you really should make is to suggest that your partner gets professional help to work through the time.
Speaker 2:Um, and some people don't want to hear that either but, when people are have a stigma, negative stigma against you know getting help, oh my gosh, I think everyone should have a therapist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, and that's that's a safe space to talk to someone, someone that's.
Speaker 2:That's not because you and get maybe good advice, absolutely, instead of talking to not no offense, but you know, talking to your best friend or talking right? I don't have all the answers for you. I want to be there to support you. Biased too right, you know right.
Speaker 1:Therapist is not biased true, and they can give you professional advice. They can give you personal advice based off what they've learned about you and what they know about you.
Speaker 2:And guidance and how to move forward, and a lot of times you're telling this person things about you that you've never told anyone else.
Speaker 1:Right, you know Right. So it's a safe space. It's not. I hate that there's such a stigma around it, because you don't have to be mentally ill to get therapy.
Speaker 2:Right, you don't. I think that we're coming a long ways into opening up to the thought and the possibilities of accepting therapy or counseling. But I still feel and maybe it's with the older generation, which would be now in menopause and midlife, that they have those negative with it, but I also hope that we're coming along.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree being becoming more open to it yeah, absolutely, um seeing a psychiatrist to be assessed for depression. Like I did, I'm meeting with a counselor for even a few sessions.
Speaker 1:You don't have to go to therapy forever nope if you just want to go for two months, go for two months and, quite honestly, it's very rare to find one that you really connect with with on your first visit and sometimes you have to go to a couple different ones. It's tough, so it's tough, but you know, sometimes a lot of people get lucky. I got lucky this time. I love my therapist I like mine.
Speaker 2:I haven't been lately but I know she's just a text away if I need her. But we did. We were able to kind of click Work through stuff and she provided tangible things to help Right, which I thought was very impressive, because that's what I'm looking for, right. I mean, it's one thing to sit there, exactly the tools, it's one thing to sit there and just talk and then feel heard or for lack of a better term, vent if you will absolutely, but I was looking for that.
Speaker 2:Those tools, yeah, um, and just more tangible things to take away from it and she was she caught that on right. She caught on right away and provided those.
Speaker 1:That's amazing so, yeah, um, you could also, if you're religious, consult your rabbi, your priest, whatever holy person. You know they'll listen and and you can get comfort from just again having someone to to vent to, um, make an appointment for a physical. You know, maybe something you need to some blood work done, maybe there's something off with your hormones. And then the last tip take care of yourself. There's nothing better. Never been a better time for you know, you taking care of yourself, and then, when your partner is struggling, you can help take care of them. Exactly, Make sure you're getting enough rest, you're eating well, you're exercising, all the stuff that we've talked about getting enough rest you're eating, well you're exercising all the stuff that we've talked about, and laughter, exercising and laughter endorphins.
Speaker 2:We need those, we just need those.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and you know there's a lot of things too, I think as couples that you kind of fall away from later in your relationship and that's just being friends, running errands together or doing some weird date that you wouldn't normally do like, just going thrifting or getting to know each other again after becoming the empty nest right and you don't have those children there, that's absolutely as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that wraps it up for today. Thanks for joining us on, let's talk, midlife crisis. We hope you got some laughs, a little and maybe a few new ideas.
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Speaker 2:Until next time, keep thriving, keep laughing and keep embracing every crazy, wonderful minute of this midlife adventure.
