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EP 46: A Revolutionary Method for Targeting Your Shot Pattern and Defining Your Next Step for In-Season Improvemnt

• Eric Layton • Episode 46

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In this episode of The Golf Intervention, we dive deep into how to know where you currently stand in your golf journey—and how that knowledge shapes your path to improvement. Whether you're a high handicapper or a competitive player, understanding your current skill level helps you filter out the noise and focus only on what truly matters for your game.

Next, we reveal a game-changing finger technique to visualize and aim your shot dispersion pattern. This simple but powerful method can help you build a more confident, consistent strategy for every shot—and eliminate costly errors on the course.

Finally, we share real stories and insights from our own lessons, offering relatable experiences and breakthroughs you can apply to your own golf practice and play.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

✅ How to assess your current stage in the game and what to work on next
 ✅ A revolutionary finger-based method for targeting your shot pattern
 ✅ Real lesson takeaways from players just like you
 ✅ Why understanding your miss pattern leads to lower scores
 ✅ What most players focus on too soon—and how to avoid that trap

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Eric:

And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast. On today's episode, we're gonna discuss where you stand with your game currently. to know what to work on. And what you should do now that it's in the middle of the season where you put your energy and you know, coach Rufas. I was thinking about that because I've had a bunch of lessons actually today, which is kind of strange for me, where it was actually first time students back to back, to back,

Rob Failes:

Oh, nice. Yeah. That's fun.

Eric:

I just got my 19 year pin at the Country Club of Virginia. So I've been

Rob Failes:

Nice.

Eric:

Although it's a big membership. Um, we're not like one of these memberships that's, uh. people are moving around a lot, joining,

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

joining, leaving. It doesn't happen at the country club. This is like a, a legacy membership type place. But, so it's kind of strange when I get a bunch of lessons in a row where I've never taught somebody before

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

here in 19 years. And so that just happened to happen today. And so kind of like through this lens, I was like seeing and having these conversations about. Hey, let's talk about who you are as a player. Tell me what to, you know, as I'm on this journey, as they're trying to, trying to hop on their train, so to speak. Like you're

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

journey. You might not know where the train's going, but I'm supposed to be the conductor and I'm jumping on the, I'm jumping on a

Rob Failes:

Nice.

Eric:

with you. That's kind of like what it is.

Rob Failes:

That's pretty much, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's a great analogy.

Eric:

oh, hey, tell me, like, I always say this. I'm like, Hey. What's the scoop? You know, like, just tell me, tell me what's the deal? You know, what, why are you here? What are we doing? um, and so I had these different types of situations and I think today on the show, I want to kind of go through and I know you and I both wanna go through this, is like I.

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

How do we know where that moving train is

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

what, what city am I in on my golf journey?

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

like what's relevant to me getting to the next stop on the on the route? can the conductor help you get there and what makes that process smoother? Being that we're traveling at a certain time of season here, and so it was really interesting today. Because I had a whole mix of different things. I had one guy that like literally plays kind of recently retired. He goes to Florida and he's here and he just plays constantly, right? Like all year round all the time. was struggling with a few things. 15 handicap. Then I had like a really good athlete, younger guy, back problems, big time from golf.

Rob Failes:

Hmm.

Eric:

why he's been doing pt. He took lessons from other golf pros. I had never met him before. And nobody, not the other golf pros, not the PTs, not the doctors. No one discussed his golf swing with him and what could

Rob Failes:

Hmm.

Eric:

the back pain. Okay? So that was another one. and then there was another one where Avid golfer member of incredibly good clubs has played good golf in his life and self-admittedly. Got trapped in the YouTube rabbit hole and feels like his brain is so screwed up. He literally can't stand over the ball and hit the shot anymore. So

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

are some of the things that I was seeing today, and I'm like, and then another one was a college student. Super nice. Was a wrestler in high school, so didn't do sports that, you know, he hit balls with sticks and he just trying to like, loves the game. Super fun kid. And um, yeah, had a good swing, had no skill. And

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

we kinda like had to learn that. So we worked on, I kind of had to explain that to'em.

Rob Failes:

Yeah,

Eric:

so all these folks were on different places on the journey, so to speak,

Rob Failes:

for sure.

Eric:

they were either struggling. Maybe didn't struggle, didn't know what they needed to work on, and that's what the coach comes in and tries to help. But what we try to do on this show and we're gonna do today is try to provide you that context so you on your own, can figure out where you are on that journey. Is

Rob Failes:

Yep.

Eric:

Rob?

Rob Failes:

A hundred percent. Yep. We just, uh, we just posted a, uh, a little, what, what I'm calling like the, the TGI blueprint, right to our substack. And I think, um, if you want to, uh, spot us a cup of coffee every month, I. Then you can have access to that, right? So what it does is it kind of breaks down, um, score, strategy, skill and swing. Uh, like we've talked about ad nauseum on the podcast, but it gives you some very, very simple data points. Like literally, uh, just keep track of your score and your total puts, right? And that can get you at least in the ballpark and kind of figuring out, Hey, do I need to work on my shots to green or do I need to work on my putting? Um, and then depending on, we can obviously peel the onion away of from that. Um, but then within that you have your strategy, which has a combination of your dispersion, your decision tree, as well as kind of your shot process. Uh, it breaks down the three skills and how you can train them, uh, and then a couple little tidbits on swing, kind of what needs to be consistent there. So, uh, we can definitely talk about that today and kind of. How to navigate that. I think that could be a good use of time, uh, especially, especially for our subscribers, I think, uh, would be nice. But it's really what we do on every lesson. It's like, alright, are you level one, two, or three? Right? Where are you at? Shots to green versus total puts? And then how much of it is skill versus how much of it is swing, um, versus how much of it is strategy, right?

Eric:

Yeah, so Robbie's reference in the Substack, which we haven't brought up in a while, um. But we really do appreciate the folks that subscribe to the Substack. We have a free kind of version, and then we have the paid version, which,

Rob Failes:

Yep.

Eric:

it's not a, a, a super huge investment, but we do appreciate that because it does cover the cost that we have for this

Rob Failes:

Yes.

Eric:

which you'd be surprised. Um, we

Rob Failes:

Oh yeah,

Eric:

for the love of the game in a lot of ways. That's

Rob Failes:

we do. Yes.

Eric:

has been to help. People understand the process of playing better. Um,

Rob Failes:

Yep.

Eric:

we don't push the Substack a ton. But we do really appreciate the folks that subscribe and if you would like to subscribe, there is some really good stuff on there. And I think in the, in the coming weeks and months, we're definitely gonna embellish that even more. Um,

Rob Failes:

For sure.

Eric:

Robbie, like he and I were just discussing, I've had life happening a lot recently. It's kind of held us. Back a little bit, I would say. And we, we have an episode that recorded a little bit funny, that hasn't gone out. I haven't figured out how to clean it up yet. So hopefully that episode will come out too. So we'll start putting some of the on the main feed here. So

Rob Failes:

Yes,

Eric:

like we haven't been out in a while. So life is lifeing, as they say, but I

Rob Failes:

yes.

Eric:

get back into the groove here. And, um, and so if you want to check out the substack, it's the golf intervention.substack.com. You can check that, check out the link in the show notes, and that'll take you right there. And we appreciate each and every person that subscribes, whether it's the free or the paid version, but that does kind of keep us, keeps the, uh, lights on, as they say

Rob Failes:

Yep. Yeah, absolutely.

Eric:

So, thank you. Thank you. And. You know, I think that we could go through this, it kind of like the, I like the moving train analogy that we were just talking about. So, um, when, when a student comes in, I, I've gotta figure out where, where they are on this journey. I've gotta help them with that. And with the new student after new student, after new student today, it was like the same kind of conversation happening over and over again. And I will say today was 111 on the heat index in Richmond, Virginia. Did you have a, did you have a day like that in

Rob Failes:

It was a hundred here. Yeah,

Eric:

it was outrageous. Probably the hottest day I could ever remember.

Rob Failes:

it was insane.

Eric:

actually, I don't wanna say luckily, but, I took my wife to physical therapy this morning. She had some surgery. I. Last week, um, I wouldn't say major, but kind of like medium size surgery

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

has to get some PT on. So I had to take her today. She's not allowed to drive yet, so I only taught from 12 to six, but, most of my days are seven 30 to six with maybe a half an hour break. So 110 on the heat index would've been crazy, brother. um, that's what gonna be my day tomorrow, so wish me luck. So anyhow,

Rob Failes:

have big, y'all have big fans in there, right? Or do you have, is it AC or do y'all have like actual fans?

Eric:

that's the hard part

Rob Failes:

Oh, they blow under the suit. Yeah.

Eric:

And so I gotta be smart about just getting something to blow on me. Like I have a little one at

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

which is fine.

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

Um, but I'm usually not at the desk, so I just kind of

Rob Failes:

Right.

Eric:

I had a, I was fine today. It was all good. So anyway, like as people are coming in. We're trying to hop on that. We're trying to hop on that train out where they are. If it's a reoccurring student, we have a good sense of where they are.

Rob Failes:

for sure.

Eric:

in that first lesson, and what you should do as a listener is try to think

Rob Failes:

I.

Eric:

you stand on that right now. And so we go through this kind of. Uh, on the golf intervention, we sit, we kind of put you into three groups of players. Level one player, which is kind of like beginner golfer, you know, someone that's not keeping score yet, all the way to maybe like bogey, golfer, 20 ish handicap kind of

Rob Failes:

Yep.

Eric:

in the, in the nineties kind of score.

Rob Failes:

Yes.

Eric:

and then level two is like where we turn this corner. And we start seeing some different things in our game. And that takes us all the way down to like, kind of like scoring 76, like scratch golfer ish. And then that turns a corner in the data set as well for scratch or better. And then tour players live on their own island. We don't even really count

Rob Failes:

Yes.

Eric:

like level

Rob Failes:

They're, they're level four. Yeah.

Eric:

Yeah. They're just not human as we say. So we call it we, these things matter. And I think putting the context around who you are as a player. Is what helps us learn and grow.'cause we gotta know where we need to start, We just need to know when I'm jumping on, when I'm jumping on that train with them, I gotta know where we are, where are we right now? And so. Rob, what are the things that you kind of, what can the, what can the listener learn from how we assess the student, um, to kind of say like, okay, like, here's my scoring. That's fine, but what does that tell me? What does that tell me about who I am and what I'm kind of currently dealing with in my game? Because. One of the guys today, like I was telling you, he plays all year round and he's like getting better. He was a 25 a couple years ago, handicap, now he's down to like a 15 and he's telling me these things and I'm like, no, no, no. Like I know exactly what you need to work on and here's why. And he's like, you know, kind of like. I would say he's kind of a type A, but he's like very excited. He's excited to learn and grab. I'm like, listen, we already know what you need to work on. And he's like, really? I said, let me ask you these questions about your game. And as soon as I started describing his game, he is like, how did you know that? I'm like, it's in the

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

It's in the

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

So you just fit, you fit in the bell curve. That's why. Okay. So what are you, what can the listener learn about that sort of data set? Where I stand? they can say, okay, here's where I am and these are the things. This is kind of generally what I know I need to do in the moment. Not big, not every little detail.'cause we're not going through that today. If you want to know

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

you could go back to our early episodes. What I'm saying is like from the scores and then putting into the context of we're in the season right now too.

Rob Failes:

Yes. Yeah,

Eric:

little chart maybe that you made, help us understand like where I am and what I need to. What I need to work on in the moment. I guess if they're there for

Rob Failes:

for,

Eric:

decide they need to work on

Rob Failes:

for sure. Yeah. And I, I think the, the first thing that we would like to. To discuss with golfers is that we make decisions based off of trends or like a, not just a, a one-off occurrence. Right? So I think the biggest error golfers make is they play around in golf, they don't really track much, uh, but they remember maybe like three putting the last hole or something like that. And they say, gosh, you know, if, if I could only get better at putting Right. Where it's like, hold on a second, like. Do you know how many putts for your level you need to be per round and over the last three to four or five? I, I mean, Brian Bailey says eight rounds. I, I'd say kind of five-ish, four to six-ish, somewhere in that range. If you can get about that many, of just knowing, okay, what was my total score? What was my total putts, right? Am I in the ballpark? Right? Because if your total putts are in the ballpark and you're not. To that level, you need to get the ball from the D box to the green faster. Right? And it's not, again, not just one round, but over the course of, you know, four to six rounds, understanding that data. Right. If your shots to greener in the ballpark and you're just a little bit off, a lot of times improvements in putting can come quicker. So again, if you're just like only maybe two shots off of your scoring of where you're of your kind of like your next level and your shots to greener in the ballpark, but you're always like two to three putts higher. Let's work on some putting stuff. I think a lot of times understanding green reading, understanding how that relates to. Distance predictability, how that relates to your overall process? I think putting improvements can happen much, much quicker and easier than even short game improvements. I mean, short game I think it can be, can happen pretty quickly, but, um, that's even oftentimes, uh, quicker than say, like full swing improvements. And that's the, that's the trick. It's understanding that for many golfers, like where is your. Lowest hanging fruit. Right. What's the, what's the greatest amount? What's, what's the biggest difference in between where you're at and where you need to be? Either from shots to green or from total puts? But then it's like, okay, well what, what's gonna gimme the highest likelihood of actually gaining those strokes? Right? And that's why, you know, the data says for most level one and two golfers, it's gonna be shots to green usually, but like maybe some putting in some short game stuff for an individual golfer who doesn't have a bunch of time. And these are the questions that we ask, like, how much time do you have? What can you actually do? Like there's so much that goes into it. Like for some golfers, yeah, like their shots to green aren't where they need to be, but just to get them a couple shots better based off the fact that they have like zero time to practice. I might just work on the short game or might work on their putting.'cause I know like, hey, they can actually do this and I can get some momentum going in the right direction. They see some scores coming down and now it's like a. I got'em. Now they're hooked. Like now they're like, okay, like let's, let's go, let's do this. And then maybe afterwards we can get into some of the, the tee shots and the approach shot stuff. Um, if I have somebody who's like, yeah, I got a bunch of time. I'm super dedicated and my shots of green is nowhere even close to where I want, then you better believe like we're, we're taking a look at some, some swing foundations, like things that need to be pretty consistent, which is the way we hold it, the way we stand, the general pattern. All right. And the rhythm of how we're swinging the golf club, we're taking a look and kind of checking those boxes. Um, but if like, a lot of that stuff is pretty consistent and we're, especially in season, a lot of times we're just doing some little bit of skill stuff asking, Hey, how did that feel different? And then just rolling with some temporary feels, right? Because again, we're in season where it's not like we're gonna be making any sort of wholesale changes to geometry swing wise especially. Um, I'm a big fan of always like tweaking. Energy and time, right? So the, the rhythm stuff, if that's off, you always have permission, in my opinion to, to clean that stuff up.'cause that goes into like the general freedom in which you're swinging the club like that, that we want to always kind of be consistent with. But like, if the club's in a certain position midway season, right? We call that geometry. Like if you looked at just the shape of the swing or a position of the golf club, that's a lot harder to change. It's way, way more beneficial I think in season. To just make little skill tweaks. Right. And that is, I think, Eric, you sent me a video from Lee Trevino, didn't you? And that's what Lee was talking about, is like, you have to have, and I think what he was talking about was skill training there. Like, you have to have the, the feel tweaks, right? You have to be able to know how to do that without taking up, you know, swing thoughts in your brain without trying to do a bunch more stuff. I, I said do in quotation marks, right. Right. We're not trying to add things to what you're doing. A lot of times in season we're, if anything, trying to strip stuff away and then just give you some feel, toolbox feels in your toolbox to be able to use, um, if you notice, uh, a trend one way than another. So that was, that felt like a long ramble, but hopefully I kind of got to the, the gist of your question there.

Eric:

Well, the, the point was, um, well

Rob Failes:

Yeah. What was the point? You tell me?

Eric:

The po the point, well, the point

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

well noted there, Rafael, which is, we were just saying like, generally if people know where they stand, they're gonna

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

up less. Okay. And this is, this was one of the lessons today, again, good competent golfer. Remember at Great Clubs comes in, tells me about a horrible golf experience he just had. I'm sitting there, I'm like, I've seen him hit balls. I know him. I say hi to him. I, I mean. I don't think I've ever given him a lesson before, but, so he hits balls for a while and he's telling me about how little he is enjoying golf right now. Like, that's what he's telling me. Like he's, he's a member at one of the top, literally top golf courses, the top five golf courses in the world. Okay. obviously at CCV as well. And he is like, just came back from a, from a trip that he played a PGA tour venue, which is very well known and very. Good. he played terrible and he was saying, I really don't like golf right now. I really don't like to play it. And I'm like, wow, Like, I'm just taking it all in. I just, I didn't know, you know, I'm just kind of listening to him. And so he hits a couple. I said, let's do this. Let's just like, he's like, I got, I got, I just, I'm trying to do too much. I'm trying to do this. I'm trying to, I'm like, okay. I said, why don't we just hit some seven irons and just hit the ball? Like, let's just hit some and let me just see what's going. Let me just watch you swing. You know, to watch things like rhythm, right? Or. You know, whatever. Just, just watch how he goes through his process. So I'm just taking in the big picture. just aim it straight out there and just swing hit like 10 seminars. And after he hit about five, he just turns around and goes, alright, I gotta be honest about something. I'm like, what's that? He goes, I watch way too many YouTube videos on the swing. I was like, oh no. And so I said, I just kinda started chuckling. I didn't really think he was gonna go there. I wasn't expecting that. And, um, and so he's like, I stand over the ball. I think I should be doing this. I think I should be doing that. I, and I didn't, I didn't get into any of that. I did, I just sort of. It was what it was. What I said was, let's just let go of all of it. That's what I said. Like he's like, okay. I'm like, just let go of all of it. How doesn't that feel good? Like just forget. Just forget it. But I listened to these well-known teachers and stuff. I'm said, they're great. are great. They don't know what you need to work on. And the fact of the matter was after we kind of just got swinging, I kind of saw what he was struggling with Right. A little bit with his actual swing. And the fact of the matter was he was so unaware of it. That there's no chance he would've ever found the answer for it on YouTube. Right?'cause he didn't know what he would, he didn't know the the problem. So the point that I'm trying to make here, and I think that Robbie's trying to make here, is there's moments to that when things aren't going well, that maybe you look for him, maybe things are going well. Then we start looking for like, what's the next better thing to work on? Well, if it's data driven, like Robbie says, Hey, I'm two puts around away from being a better player. Maybe I need to work on putting. Okay, great. So at least you know where you stand on the journey. And that's what we, that's what we want you to do. We want you to be able to say, I know who I am as a player. I know what I need to work on. And I will tell you, I currently work with a tour player who knows exactly where she is all the time and what she needs to work on to make her score good. And she's that level four player. But the point is like she's very aware, always aware. Sometimes it's just in the equipment, sometimes it's in things like. Making sure her green reading's really good. Like sometimes it's just in the process of like how far her ball's carrying in a certain like, but she knows exactly what she's working on all the time.'cause she knows exactly what she needs out of her game to play the ways that she wants to. But I think that the average golfer really struggles to figure that out. Right, like really struggles today. Like

Rob Failes:

I agree.

Eric:

I am I on the journey, and right now we're in the middle of the golf season. So if you're someone who's an avid golfer and you love playing golf, what you don't need to first work on, probably, especially without the guidance of a coach, is your golf swing,

Rob Failes:

Geometry? Yeah.

Eric:

The, what

Rob Failes:

totally.

Eric:

right? Which I refer to my students as just quote unquote the swing. Right?

Rob Failes:

Yeah,

Eric:

what you probably need to do is, I love the little, I love that Lee Trevino thing that I sent you because he, he didn't say skill, he called it tweaks, which I

Rob Failes:

he was totally talking about skill though.

Eric:

He was totally talking about skill. Wonder if I could figure out a way to play it. That'd be kind of fun if I could do that.'cause it'd be so cool to listen to it.

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

Tell people I said, you know. You are what you are. When you get a golf swing, you own it. The only reason that that guy's playing professional and your swing is just like his, you can't make it. But he can is he knows how to tweak. You don't know how to tweak. You are trying to hit shots and make these shots with the same grip, with the same stance, with the same ball position, you know, with the same weight distribution. Can't do that. You have to learn that when the pins on the right, depends on the left. Pin is deep. Pin is front. You have gotta make some adjustments. The adjustments might be in the grip and the weight distribution position of the ball swing doesn't change.

Rob Failes:

Swing, don't change.

Eric:

So how cool is that?

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

Like, I feel like he went through the entire thing. We tried to tell, people just said it a little bit different way,

Rob Failes:

No, but I think, I think when he is talking about tweaks, I think that's when he says that you don't know how to tweak, skill doesn't, oh, sorry, swing doesn't change. I think that's very much confirmation bias, obviously. So.

Eric:

But the, the point is, um, I think the way he framed, like, Hey, I could tell that's Max hoa, or I could tell that's John

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

I could

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

He's making the right point there. That's your, that's your geometry discussion. Right?

Rob Failes:

Totally.

Eric:

see that is, that is Rob Fa swing. That is Eric Layton swing. That is John Rom swing. Like that's Lee Trevino swing. There's a blueprint to that right now. I had a kid today who. His swing was totally good. He had no skill, none, couldn't hit the ball in the face, couldn't control the club face. Why?'cause he's, he's new to golf,

Rob Failes:

No.

Eric:

So,

Rob Failes:

absolutely.

Eric:

so he walks in and he goes, yeah, I need a lesson. You know, I know you help my dad. And he's such, such a good kid. He's so much fun to work with. Really open, open-minded, like real energetic, and. He needed to know where he was on the journey, which was, guess what, bro, you can swing check this out. I, I would just show him the video. I'm like, watch this. You like that turn. Oh, it was cool. You followed through you on balance. Yep. How about that? It's pretty awesome, right? do, why can't I hit the ball? Well,'cause you don't, you don't, you haven't learned it yet. You haven't acquired the skill yet. The squi skill is acquired through practice. Nobody practiced

Rob Failes:

Yes.

Eric:

That's what he, he dug it out of the dirt, right? Like the point is, so what did we work on? He, he was shanking everything essentially. Heel or shank it, or he hit it. Okay, what do we work on? Golf intervention listeners know what we worked on. We worked on the skill of hitting the ball on the club face. Like I said, Hey, I want you to hit in the middle of the club face. He's like, oh, okay, cool. I didn't know, I was not hitting it on the, you know, I didn't know what I was doing. I'm like, yeah, you've played golf

Rob Failes:

Nice.

Eric:

in your life. How would you know? Right?

Rob Failes:

That's awesome.

Eric:

we track man's showing him. I put impact tape on his club, gave him a whole bunch of it. I said, your swing is fine. You're hitting it off the heel. I said, maybe try to hit it off the toe and see what happens. Well, how would I do that, Eric? Right. So he opened up the conversation, right? And guess what? He got way better at golf. Like he was fired up at the end of the thing. Now

Rob Failes:

Yep,

Eric:

the ball solidly. Still couldn't control the face angle. That's step two. That's what we talk

Rob Failes:

that's right.

Eric:

right? I. Skill number two is gonna be the face path relationship. So now he could hit it on the face, but he couldn't. He had no idea where the face was gonna be pointed. So I told him,'cause he knew that's what he needs to work on. I gave him a way to work on it. He's gonna come back in a couple weeks, we're gonna see where he is. We're gonna keep working on it. Right. And. He didn't need to work on a swing. Now the other guy that came in and told me, I've herniated a disc playing golf. I could play right now, but I've taken two big times off with physical therapy and all this stuff in between. And I said, well, what about your swing? Have you, have you worked on like figuring out why it's hurting your back? No. What about the physical therapist? Did they talk to you about that? No. How about who you were taking lessons to, from, from? Did they talk to you about that? No. I said, well, okay, I'm, I'm sorry you're not playing as well right now as you'd like to, but we have one goal and that's to get you to understand how to swing with less pain and maybe in a way that's not gonna hurt you. He's like, cool, let's do it. And guess what? We figured out in about four minutes. I mean, it was crazy. He was like,

Rob Failes:

Hmm.

Eric:

little posture change. Little, I mean, it wasn't that big of a deal. All of a sudden he could. And he was six feet. Six. So there he had some considerations set up, at the end of the day, he's like, man, I'll just hit for an hour. I have no back pain. He's like, that hasn't happened in a long time.

Rob Failes:

That's awesome.

Eric:

we worked on that in four minutes. You see what I'm saying?

Rob Failes:

I.

Eric:

he's been a two years pl actually four years plus of struggling with back pain. And what did he need to work on? He needed to work on his swing, right? Like. That was it. And that was the only, because number one reason you work on your swing, which we've talked about on this before,

Rob Failes:

Yep.

Eric:

pain or keep you, you know, it's either hurting you or to avoid it from hurting you.

Rob Failes:

You got it.

Eric:

one reason to work on your swing performance would be number two. man, I don't know if I'm ranting. Am I ranting? I don't know. Lee Trevino

Rob Failes:

No,

Eric:

fired up.

Rob Failes:

that was fire. That was, yeah.

Eric:

But the point is you could see the different processes that we worked through to just today. This was just today with me.

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

one lesson after the next, working on different aspects of what it was I needed to do, and every single one of them hopefully walked out going, I know exactly where I am and I know exactly the next thing I need to do. To improve and I know how to practice it and I'm gonna go work on it. Right? I know the process and I think that that's what we want you to list. It's the whole point. We have this show like, listen to me, listener, listen to Rob fails. Like there's a time and a place for each one of these things to work on, right? And you just, if you can know and understand for yourself, that's great. If you're a coach that's listened to this and you haven't really thought about this process before, we're hope this helps you out as well. And then obviously. You know, go take a lesson if you need to, to help yourself along on the journey, but make sure that your coach is aware of where you are on the journey as well.'cause sometimes that that context can get lost a little bit as well. So this is things that you can share with a personal trainer or a coach or a physical therapist or whoever. So anyway, I think that's the end of that rant as far as I know, like. I think, I think that's it. Anything you'd like to add to the conversation there? Um, maybe, maybe anything you want to add from the, um, the substack, uh, diagram that you put out the other day.

Rob Failes:

No, I think, I think that mostly covers it. I think. Um. Yeah, I mean, if, if you have a chance to, to, to come see me, right. Just to kind of talk through that. Again. I'm a Bos Head Resort in Charlesville, Virginia. Um, if you're a member of CCV, obviously go see Eric, uh, and he can work you through it. But, um, I've got it now to where it's in a little clipboard. I just print a bunch off and, um, usually I'm like, after the lesson, kind of like, just real quick, like boxing the, the areas that are relevant to that particular golfer. So everyone's blueprint does, does. It end up being a little bit different. Um, but again, for level one, your, your kind of, your dispersion, your decision tree, um, all that is gonna be very much the same. Uh, versus level, level two yours. Your dispersions and your decision trees are gonna be pretty similar. And then level threes, and then we level four is just, uh, off on an island somewhere.

Eric:

So we hope to get to, um, we've kind of, we've kind of. Phase into some different parts of our new format of the show that we're trying to introduce, which is the things we see on the lesson too, that we think can help people, general ideas and a little bit of thought at the beginning about, you know, a discussion of whatever we think we can help. Right? So like

Rob Failes:

Yep.

Eric:

you read the show title, you're gonna see about Lee Trevino or who knows,

Rob Failes:

Yes.

Eric:

it'll say, but it's gonna be a discussion of like, basically. Knowing and understanding where you are, uh, in

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

your, on your golf development and knowing what to work on next, like I think that's kind of the idea we wanted to introduce. And then we wanted to go into sort of like level one, two, and three itself

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

talk about some things that would be very relevant to, to your development. So. As a, as a direct idea about level one, two, and three golfers. This is something that, somebody asked me the other day, Robbie, so hope I, I hope this is okay to ask you.

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

the dispersions, and I know you went through this, uh, on

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

that we did. With another podcast called The Whole

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

I think our interview is gonna be coming out. We, we had a blast with these dudes, like,

Rob Failes:

Yeah, it was fun.

Eric:

out their, their podcast is really fun. It's very eclectic. It's like an eclectic golf podcast in a lot of

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

they cover a lot of topics like. Golf architecture, they do talk about like PGA tour. They're big fans of PGA tour for sure. So they like to talk about that and then they talk about their own games and their journey. So they brought us on to help them, I think, understand where they are in the journey, right?'cause

Rob Failes:

Yep.

Eric:

level two and a level player for

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

Um, that both needed a little, they needed a little context on their

Rob Failes:

Little concept. Yeah. Yeah. Little concept help.

Eric:

They needed some hip, them brothers needed some hip. Is it? That's why they called us. So anyway, check out that the whole story podcast. Um, but you described for them the actual dispersion with the fingers on the

Rob Failes:

Yes.

Eric:

swing. Now people are very aware of, I think the, the putting finger, uh, with, with, with aim

Rob Failes:

Using Amboy. Yeah. Yeah.

Eric:

and they're, they're triangular, essentially you're triangulating with your fingers, um, where to aim. Uh, but there's also a way to use your hands and fingers to create a dispersion picture,

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

in the full swing. And

Rob Failes:

Totally.

Eric:

would you be willing and able to kind of go through that

Rob Failes:

Yeah. Yeah.

Eric:

two, and three player? I think that would be, and now this is gonna be on podcasts for most people listening to us just on podcasts. So

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

describing this, um, just think about what he's doing with his fingers

Rob Failes:

I'll, I'll, I'll do the best I can.

Eric:

And I have to be honest, um, I'm asking this question mostly for myself because I, I wanna

Rob Failes:

Oh, nice. There we go.

Eric:

too. Uh, this is a new, uh, to me, this is something you haven't seen much of, right? Like,

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

the

Rob Failes:

Yeah,

Eric:

players are sort of catching on there. I definitely saw,

Rob Failes:

it's, it's catching steam on LPGA for sure.

Eric:

Yeah. Um, I definitely sent you a picture of a PGA tour player doing it though.

Rob Failes:

Yes. Mm-hmm.

Eric:

it was. Asian, an Asian guy, I think if,

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

if I remember correctly.

Rob Failes:

I don't remember either, but yeah,

Eric:

is really super interesting. So could you, could you kinda go through and

Rob Failes:

for sure.

Eric:

in on this a little bit? I think it's game changing, by the way.

Rob Failes:

Yeah. Yeah. So.

Eric:

Pia, I wanna set the gravity of this. This might be the most important thing you hear on a podcast all day. So just. Be ready for this. Okay. Be ready.

Rob Failes:

Oh gosh. Um, all right, well, I'll try to do it justice. Um, but understand first and foremost, like strategy is aiming a dispersion. So a lot of people have the belief that, uh, they can control again, in control, in quotations where the golf ball's gonna go. And in reality, you can only predict where a collection of your shots are likely to go. So that's the big difference. So a friend of the pod, Chris George says, don't aim the one shot you think you can hit, aim, uh, the shot out of a hundred that you're likely to hit. So that's, uh, a big difference in that. So if you think about what a dispersion is, if you hit a hundred shots, uh, like Chris George said, you get this big scatterplot, right? And what you're trying to do is you're trying to not aim the entire dispersion. Because if you even look at PGA tour, golfers like. To aim the entire dispersion, your targets would be way too conservative, right? Especially if you're looking at the decision tree that we talk about, like number one is being in play. Number two, uh, if, if we're, if we're talking about, um, approach play, uh, number one's in play, number two is on the green. Number three is proximate a hole, right? For some, I'm thinking par three T shots especially. Um, to get all of your dispersion in play, you'd have to be aiming like. 20 yards off the green in a lot of cases. Right. So you're so risk averse, right? That you're not actually getting the upside from the shots that you hit, right? Like. Pretty much the, the 16% of shots that are like your best, right? So you want to, you want to be able to get the benefit from your best shots, but in kind of that middle, kind of 50, 51% of shots, right? That honestly are like pretty average. Like they're a little bit misses, right? Where it's like faces a little more open than what you wanted, face a bit more clothes than what you wanted. Little Healy, little toy, like ones that you're just like not thrilled about afterwards, but still, okay. You want those to be in a place to where you can. Find them in play again on the green, number two, and then, um, obviously as close to the hole as you can. Number three. So your level of player, your level of skill, level one, level two, level three, level four is highly, highly, highly correlated to that dispersion. So if you think about just holding your fingers up in front of your eyes, kind of extending your arms all the way out, um, a level one golfer is going to have. Roughly five fingers on either side of their, uh, center of dispersion. So if you hold up all 10 fingers, putting your thumbs right beside each other, um, hold the middle of your two thumbs right over the target. Not like this, like this, Eric. There you go.

Eric:

Got it.

Rob Failes:

Yeah. Yep. Hold the middle of your two thumbs right over the target, and that from your edge of your pinky to the other edge of your pinky is gonna be at 67% of your shots. All right, so 67% is would be our kind of our aspiration, our goal. All right. And if you wanna make it easy, oftentimes I'll, I'll hold up my 10 fingers, then I'll have someone take their little finger and their thumb.'cause oftentimes it's better just to hold up one hand, right? Just kind of split the thumb and the index finger out. Sorry, the thumb and the little finger out as far as you can And hold that out in front of you. Right. You can even put the middle three fingers down if you want. So it kinda looks like hang 10, right? And you can aim the middle of that zone, such that, again, from the, from the left edge to the right edge is again in play, number one on the green. Number two, if you're hitting an approach shot. And then if you've got room on either side, still on the green, then you can slide this thing closer to the hole. Um, you can look at the, uh, like the driver. Like for, for driver, that's on the sheet as well. But again, it's kind of like in play number one, we're trying to get this thing as far down as close to the green as we can. Number two, and then if you've still got some, some. Margin on both sides and get this thing a little bit more kind of in the, in the middle of the fairway or maximizing the number of shots in the fairway. That's kind of number three. So understand what that decision tree is and then understand, hey, what level of player am I and what's my dispersion? So level one is five fingers on either side, which is usually if you, if you hold up your thumb to little finger and just split'em out as far as you can from one side or the other, that's gonna be about the same. It's a little tighter, but it's, it's close enough, right? Level two is gonna be four fingers, which is usually, if I can take the, the index finger and the little finger and split that out wide as far as I can, right. That's gonna be a level two golfer. So again, four fingers on either side. It's gonna be roughly the same. Again, it's close. It's maybe a tiny bit tighter, but it's, it's, uh, close enough for government work, right? Um. Getting that out as wide as you can, it's gonna be level two, right? So we could, we say like hook'em horns, right? For level two,

Eric:

So if

Rob Failes:

right?

Eric:

the middle, like let's say you're, you're looking at the flag just as a reference

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

an approach shot. I put the flag. As a reference in the middle, and I could see what's on the other side as like a dispersion. Is that,

Rob Failes:

Yes. Mm-hmm.

Eric:

and then you could move that. Right. So like,

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

inside that dispersion inside my fingers is a pond, which is

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

Right? Or a treacherous deep bunker. I can't get out of or out of bounds potentially, you know,

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

So then I would slide that to where it's safe,

Rob Failes:

Yes, correct.

Eric:

of that is where I'm gonna start to put my new of where I'm gonna start, probably

Rob Failes:

Correct. And it in the middle of that dispersion is not necessarily where you're like, people think about where am I aiming? It's not necessarily where you're aiming, it's just where you want the center of your dispersion to be. So if you're a fader, you might

Eric:

Right.

Rob Failes:

totally, like, if you're a fader, you might aim a little left of that and hit a little fade. Back to it, right? So again, there's, there's a a million different ways to, uh, to aim and to, to organize your shot, but understand like, hey, what is my dispersion size? And then for the level golfer, and then I said level three is right, you're gonna take that index finger in little finger and then slide it in about a finger width on either side again.'cause you go from four fingers to three fingers. So level three is gonna be a closer to like wolf pack. Right. Not quite Wolf Pack. It's a little bit further out than than Wolf Pack, but it's gonna be in the ballpark, right? And then level four is like, oh my gosh. It's like,

Eric:

It's

Rob Failes:

right, it's, it's two fingers on either side, so it's per, it's actually perfect, right? Like that, that's the Tor player dispersion, which again is 67% of your shots, right? Would be kind of a standard dis distribution. Um, so there's nothing.

Eric:

is it fair to say if there's, if there's a big leverage. Moment you might be a, you might play that slightly more conservatively, like if there's a big pond in the way, would you, would you shade a little bit more in that sense out of 67% and just shade it a little bit? So you're favoring a little bit more towards like 80%. What do you think about that? Or no,

Rob Failes:

Uh,

Eric:

at 67.

Rob Failes:

that's, again, that is the, that is the decision tree. That is number one priority. You are, you are getting the entire, uh. Standard, like the normal distribution of shots in play, number one. Um, because again, like we are looking for optimal strategy, right? So it doesn't matter, like if you're quote unquote too conservative, you're gonna be losing shots on the other side anyway, right? So it, it doesn't really matter. Like there's, I tell golfers like, there's never really a scenario where I want you. Breaking that decision tree, right? Um, now what I will say is the beauty of using fingers, the beauty of using fingers, number one, super easy, super simple to do, right? You don't need any technology, you don't need an app, you don't need anything. You just literally hold your arm here, your hand out in front of you. The other thing that you, that is very helpful is, um, other than the fact that you can actually track it on the range when you're practicing. Right. Imagine that, right? Imagine practicing and using something in your practice that you can actually take on the golf course, right? Um, but what it also does is it gives you some flexibility. So we say like, this would be a level, level two golfer. Well, let's say again like, let's say you're into the wind. All right? Well then maybe let's try and stretch this out. Let's add a little bit of arm bend, right? Because this dis, this end of the wind is gonna magnify that dispersion. Let's say we're downwind. Let's slide this in a little bit, right? Let's say we're in the rough. Let's make it a little bit wider. Add a little bit of elbow flex, right? Get those fingers just a little closer to your face. Let's say that we're got a like a. Very flat, very stock standard lie that you always tend to practice with. Like fairway, no slope or anything like, I don't know, maybe, right? Again,'cause this is an average, um, let's say you're feeling really good that day. Let's say, man, I like my swing is dialed, right? I'm feeling really good, right? Maybe you can slide that in a little bit. Let's just say you just feel like you don't have it. You're like, oh, man, like I just, I don't have my a, a stuff, or maybe even my B, my B stuff today. Maybe you make that a little wider so it gives you some flexibility. It gives you some flexibility, right? Um, to be able to commit to the shot that you've chosen, and that is a big, big, big deal because this, this dispersion is assuming that you are swinging freely, right? The data is collected usually in a range context, usually, again, swinging freely. As soon as we are getting over this saying, you know what, I just don't really want to hit this shot. Or as soon as you're standing over it saying, you know what? I feel like I should do this, but I just, I don't like it. I just don't wanna hit this shot. What do you think is gonna happen to, to your dispersion, Eric?

Eric:

It's gonna grow

Rob Failes:

It's gonna get bigger,

Eric:

big,

Rob Failes:

So, so what we say is we use this decision tree and. If you, again, if you just feel like you're not in that space, then you gotta like widen that thing out, right? Get that thing as wide as you need it to, to where like, you're fine, like from one edge to the other. You're like, yeah, I'm, I can fully commit to what I'm doing there. And again, it's, it's never, it's never just a right to left thing. It's a long to short thing as well. So understand that a three finger dispersion is 10%. Right. So you can kind of do the math, right, and understand, hey, like if the, if the pen is, let's say I'm one 50 and there's, uh, there's a, uh, like water short. Okay, so, but the pen's on eight, well then you know right away, right? You know, like, Hey, I've gotta be minimum seven paces beyond that, that flag, right?

Eric:

Mm-hmm.

Rob Failes:

don't want to be within 15, right? I don't wanna be within 10% of that penalty area.

Eric:

Right.

Rob Failes:

Right, and that's when you're gonna change, like you'll, you'll get that number and then you'll, you'll add or subtract wind or lie or, or, or, you know, slope or anything that you want to off of that.

Eric:

It's so brilliant for a lot of reasons, and I was messing around with this on the range the other

Rob Failes:

I.

Eric:

and I, it's hard for the listener to picture this, but when you stand out and just do it, you'll notice that it triangulates over. The length of the shot. Right. So like it, and that's what, that's how it works. That's why we're not saying, oh, on a driver it's, it's 10 fingers and on a sand wedge, it's one. No, it's always the same based on how you control the ball.

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

over the spatial, like the triangulation over space essentially widens the

Rob Failes:

It scales.

Eric:

yeah, it scales. So as I was looking at a two finger, like. sort of doing a, a hook'em horns at 200 yards versus, um, a flag that was at 94 and you could see how much different it, you know,

Rob Failes:

Yeah.

Eric:

the,

Rob Failes:

Super different.

Eric:

that dispersion was.

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

it's really nice, like you said, something to use on the range to practice to kind of get a gauge like we're,

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

2, 3 level players, or four if you count the tour player, but you may be like. know, you might be, you might be a level two player that has a horrible short game and you're a stick, right? You might,

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

might have a dispersion that's way tighter

Rob Failes:

a great point.

Eric:

two, right? So.

Rob Failes:

totally, and that's what you learn if you come and see your eye. We can look at you, we can again, track your stats. You're gonna see, right, you're gonna see like, hey, like, I'm actually hitting it to like a level two golfer, but I'm putting it to like a, not even a level one. Like, oh, okay. All right. Maybe spend some time there, right? Because you might have a level two dispersion, but being only a level one player. So, yeah. Uh, that's a great point. Thanks for, thanks for clarifying that.

Eric:

this for 10 years with Track Man, right? Where you're trying to get a gauge on dispersion. Now it's tricky because it's a mat in a controlled environment in the same club over and over again,

Rob Failes:

This is so much better than

Eric:

yeah.

Rob Failes:

my gosh. Like, you don't, like, I don't, I don't real, I I never really figured out how to take the information from TrackMan and, and then,'cause the golfer would say, okay, well then what does that mean? How do I use that? And then it'd be a bunch of math. It would be a lot of math. You'd be like, okay, well, you gotta figure out your percentages. And you gotta say, okay, well how far is the flag from the edge? Right? Well then, okay, then what's my percentage there? And then you're doing math, like, no, this, this is no math. You just literally hold your fingers out, work through that decision tree, make sure that you're, you're going priority number one, priority number two, priority number three, and then make your adjustments in the name and swing, right. That that process right there is literally on the, on the sheet.

Eric:

And it's, it's building acceptance, which I love.

Rob Failes:

Yes.

Eric:

I'm accepting that this is the. This is the width of the, of my dispersion pattern.

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

so it's just built in acceptance. So I,

Rob Failes:

You got it.

Eric:

to, I have to adjust. So super, super cool, um, way to do it. So anyway, check out the, the figure dispersions, test it out in your practice. Test it out in the course next time. Don't think anybody will think you're weird'cause you'll be crushing them and taking their lunch money and then no one will say anything about it. Um, people do it on the, you know, it's a very similar process to how we use AIM point on the green. And so it's just the similar, similar deal.

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

I love the, uh, I love. That discussion. Thank you for sharing with us.

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

anything else you've seen recently that you want to talk, any questions that you've had some students have that you'd love to, um, answer on the question and answer segment today? Any general stuff that's come up?

Rob Failes:

No, it's just been a lot of, again, I get, I get beginner, like, not beginner. I get first time lessons all the time, like literally had one today. And it's just so often the case that if you awareness is. On the current task at hand. Like literally. Okay. Like what, what am I trying, what am I, what is the task? What, like it's not to look good. Like, it's not to, um, it's not to appease anyone else. It's not to, um,

Eric:

Impress

Rob Failes:

a certain way.

Eric:

of your golf

Rob Failes:

It's not, it's not to right. Like. There's just so few actual tasks that, that we, that we need, that we actually do have on a golf course. Like when you think about like, hey, like what are you gonna have to do? Like, okay, well find, find the golf ball, right? Figure out how far it needs to go. Figure out what the direction needs to go. Right. Pick the club and the shot. Right. And then walk in and swing. Right? Like that's, that's pretty much, uh, all that, all that we have. And it's just so funny how, again, I had somebody today who was just multitasking like crazy over the golf ball with, had so many things that he was trying to do, and none of them were relevant. None of them were relevant to the task at hand. So. All we did was we just did some,'cause he had no idea why the golf ball was going where he was going. And I think that's a lot of times why we have so many of these competing tasks is that the ball was going left, he was just hitting straight poles and he believed it was because of what his pelvis was doing.

Eric:

Right.

Rob Failes:

The a golf ball doesn't care about what your pelvis is doing. The ball cares about what the club is doing to it. Let's, let's discuss that first and then. We will go from there. Right. And we really didn't have to go much past, like some very, very, very basic differential training with him, um, to get him to understand why the golf ball was going where I was going. And he's like, so it means I don't have to worry about shallowing. I was like, Nope. Uh, so that means that I don't have to like, have a pre-shot routine, like have to walk in and take the, the same number step? No. Uh, so you mean like I don't have to like. Uh, like, get my shoulders square. Like, no, like you mean like I don't have to like kick like my, push my left foot forward, like to get my pelvis back and like, so I don't really extend, no. Mm-hmm. It's like, so you mean that like I just need to like,

Eric:

point the club face to the left at impacted. You're gonna be fine.

Rob Failes:

correct. Like, um, I was like, just give me like whatever time you have, and this was on his blueprint, um, you need to give me skill differential training. Um. And then he had a little bit of rhythm stuff where he didn't have enough energy going back and then the way that he was trying to add energy to that system was, was causing the face to go up. Now, why that was the case? I have no idea. All we did was saying, Hey, like I think your backswing energy's a little interesting. Let's play around with it. Give me some that like you feel like you don't have nearly enough backswing for the shot that you're hitting. And gimme some where you feel like you have way too much and let's just see what happens with the club face. When he gave me what felt like was too much backswing energy, he never hit one left when he gave it, when he said like, okay, I want to give, I want you to give me not enough backswing energy for the shot that you had. Every time when he would really try to add energy to the, to that, um, I. To the swing, like in the, at the top or coming down, it was like left almost exclusively. So yes, it was a skill issue, like he could organize skill around that. But I think for him it was also a little bit of a rhythm thing, and I had no idea why. Like, I didn't, I didn't tell him. Oh, it was because your, your left wrist was going into extension or your left wrist. Forearm was pro like, no, it's just like for whatever reason, when you gave it less in the backswing, the thing that you were doing to speed it up was also causing that face to shut for you. Because I've seen it work the other way too. Like I've had people who don't give it enough backswing energy for the shot that they're hitting and they're always. Like adding stuff late and the face opens. I'll just say that's almost more common, right? From what I've seen. But again, it's like you can't assume, you just gotta, like, that's why so much of what we do is just like, Hey, let's run the experiment. Let's just test this for like,

Eric:

Yep.

Rob Failes:

that's my favorite kind of lesson, honestly. If I can, if I just have someone's like, Hey, let's, let's run an experiment for like. Eight, five to eight balls just to see what happens. And we're just gonna work on either side of the spectrum and just see what happens. It's so often the case that we get these like ahas, like, oh wow, that's crazy. Like, I had never, never thought to like even explore in that area. But it's, it's such a low risk, high upside way of going about it that, I mean, I'm just talking from the coach standpoint is a lot less anxiety, a lot less stressful knowing like, hey, like. I'm appreciating the fact that I don't have, quote unquote, like the geometry answer. Right. I'm actually just on this journey with you and we're just gonna explore. I just have a couple more places, um, that are relevant to look and explore that maybe you haven't explored yet.

Eric:

Super cool, super cool, and that that's, a lot of times if you get a good lesson and you're working on it the right way, you're actually quote unquote fixing things and you don't even know how you're doing it, and that's the best way, because then you're not consciously worried about, am I pronating? Am I Am I doing this? Am I doing that? You're just reacting as an athlete and getting the. Getting the ball to do what you need to do. And so that's what I try to do all the time, is just set them up for a natural situation to

Rob Failes:

Mm-hmm.

Eric:

and fix the swing. So anyway, Rob fails. I think that takes us to about an hour on today's show. Super fun. Anything else you want to add at the end here, buddy?

Rob Failes:

I think we got it.

Eric:

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