EP 52: The Biggest Questions in Golf Performance Improvement — Asked and Answered. The Golf Intervention 2.0

Episode Summary

In this launch of Golf Intervention 2.0, we answer the biggest questions golfers ask about getting better. We define the only 3 areas for improvement—strategy, skill, and swing. 

This episode sets the framework for smarter improvement built on data, process, and clarity.

In This Episode

1. Strategy, Skill, and Swing
We break down what truly drives performance:

• Strategy 
• Skill 
• Swing 

If you want to lower scores faster, you need the right order.

2. The Golf Intervention 2.0 Format
The show is evolving:

• More structured series
• Clear improvement frameworks
• Lots of questions and answers

3. Is Equipment a Skill Issue?
 

4. What Should You Be Working On?

Transcript

Eric 0:00

And welcome back to the Golf Intervention Podcast. glad you're tuning in with us this evening. I'm here in Richmond, Virginia, waiting on the impending snow and ice storm, Snowmageddon, as they call it, don't they name storms? I was thinking of this on my way home. I thought they named storms, but I haven't heard a name for this

Rob Failes 0:20

Hmm. We need to, we need to come up with a name for this storm. What is it gonna be?

Eric 0:24

it. can't

Rob Failes 0:26

it. No, it's gotta have a name, right? Like a, like, you know, like a legit name.

Eric 0:30

they female It's like Annabelle. Annabelle What? It's like a vicious blizzard called Annabelle. I don't know. I don't know if there's a name for this but I do know this. I'm hoping that we can get this episode out. If people are stuck at home, they can listen to it. that's what I

Rob Failes 0:51

Yeah.

Eric 0:51

can do. So we are so glad to be back. with you. an episode out, um, a couple weeks ago detailing why we hadn't put some out, but promising and here we are back at it again are gonna use tonight's episode to introduce, know, what we've ta taken time to reflect on a little bit about what we've liked, about what we've done how we're gonna format it forward future episodes of the golf intervention. I think also. Covering things that we think we know about the golf intervention, things that are sort of the, the foundational of

Rob Failes 1:31

Yeah.

Eric 1:32

to convey to the listener. Um, As a, been a, it's been a great study for me kinda really go through teaching principles and things that we've done

Rob Failes 1:44

Yeah. Yeah.

Eric 1:45

25 years of teaching golf and, um. why it works and why it doesn't and what's important and what isn't. And being on the ride with my friend

Rob Failes 1:56

my friend

Eric 1:56

has been really fun. So I'm ready for, I don't know, we've put episodes. I'm ready for 50 more. Rob, we were talking

Rob Failes 2:04

do it.

Eric 2:05

we were talking about

Rob Failes 2:06

Talking about how

Eric 2:07

we're going to

Rob Failes 2:08

gonna,

Eric 2:08

kind of next,

Rob Failes 2:10

yes.

Eric 2:11

chapter, it, of the golf

Rob Failes 2:13

A hundred percent.

Eric 2:15

so through kind of what we were talking about, what we're

Rob Failes 2:17

Yes.

Eric 2:19

excited for.

Rob Failes 2:20

Yeah. So we have absolutely listened to our listeners, you all, and what you all have enjoyed the most about the way that we've done it in the past. So we are gonna be bringing back episode series, right? This is one of the big things that you all really enjoy, is like, okay, we're gonna do. A short game series, a long game series A, you know, like have it be a focused topic that we really delve into deeply over the course of three to four episodes. So we're starting with basically like four episode series is gonna be the, the starting point. Some might be five, some might be three. Um, but within that, right, each episode is gonna have the following things that you, the listener have said that you enjoy. Uh, discussions on levels 1, 2, 3, and four golfers, right? So one of the big things that differentiates us is that we start with a context first, who you are as a golfer. Are you a level one golfer shooting higher than 88 on average? Are you a level two golfer shooting between 88 and 76 on average, are you a level three golfer? Basically like 76 down to like. 72 or are you a level four like Tour Pro, right? Shooting below par on average. So based off of who you are, what are the essential elements to the main three things that we can do to improve, which we call strategy, skill, and swing, right? So each episode is gonna have a level 1, 2, 3, or four discussion on strategy or skill or swing. And then we'll fi finally for that fourth episode. Uh, we're gonna hope to bring as many guest interviews as possible, so depending on the series that we have, we're gonna hope to bring in an expert, um, pertaining to that series title. Alright. Um, aside from that, each episode is gonna have, uh, one of the most popular things that we have introduced is the lessons from our lessons, right? This is where we tell a story about. Since the last time we recorded to now a lesson that we had, obviously keeping anonymous if they prefer, um, about something that, uh, that we think would be valuable for you all to hear as a listener, right? So lessons from our lessons was a huge hit and we're gonna keep that coming for you. And then finally, a mailbag, right? So submitting questions that either Eric and I hear on the lesson T'cause we get literally, I don't know how many questions every single day we get. But from time to time we will like text each other and say like, here, here's a question that I got from a student today, I think would be, uh, great to have on the podcast. This can also be questions that you all submit to us, right? We have our substack, we have our email addresses, and many of y'all have our, our have our phone numbers, right? You can Instagram, right? Any way that you want to get in touch with us and ask us questions you want us to cover on the podcast. We are gonna spend that dedicated time to do that. Um, so those are really the main three main aspects of what we're calling like TGI 2.0. Again, we're gonna have lesson series. Each episode is gonna have a level 1, 2, 3, 4 discussion on strategy, skill, and swing. Uh, we're gonna have one episode that is an interview with, uh, again, lessons from our lessons and, uh, and some mail back time. So, should be a lot of fun. We're really excited about it. This, it's gonna be like the best version of us, uh, that we've, we've been able to put out so far. So we're really excited for it, for sure.

Eric 5:52

helps the listener organize their. Thoughts about how to improve and that's where, that's where we

Rob Failes 6:00

where we started

Eric 6:02

there's so much stuff out there, there's so much the ethos, so to speak, about performance and it's hard to sort through it. know, we're mailbag section and I'll, I will send you, things I see on different like forums.

Rob Failes 6:20

Oh yeah.

Eric 6:21

And so I think that. You know, someone will, will ask a a forum online about like, should I play a 12 degree driver question mark? And there's so much lacking to that question,

Rob Failes 6:33

Yep.

Eric 6:34

And so and so then some of the answers that come back mean, they're just wild, right? And

Rob Failes 6:41

Mm-hmm.

Eric 6:41

what we're trying to do is help make a clear and way to sift through. What really matters,

Rob Failes 6:50

Yeah.

Eric 6:50

the big things that I think that we do on this show is sort it out and you mentioned

Rob Failes 6:56

You mentioned

Eric 6:57

a bigger thing than, and so I want to kind of highlight it, is we discuss which can improve your golf game, right? Strategy, and swing. Now, would contend they're

Rob Failes 7:13

That they're

Eric 7:13

in probably the order of most effectiveness. And least in that order. And I would say

Rob Failes 7:21

Yes.

Eric 7:22

that everything you see and read on the all about the golf swing.

Rob Failes 7:28

Swing And yep. A hundred percent.

Eric 7:30

it takes out skill or,'cause I just don't think people understand

Rob Failes 7:34

They don't.

Eric 7:35

even people that teach golf donors. So this is one of the things that, as I mentor which I do as part of my job just at the country club Plus with with other local pros in the area or in the middle Atlantic. It's like trying to convey that conversation like, know, you can't see

Rob Failes 7:52

Yeah.

Eric 7:53

eng golf through the lens of swing. It just can't work that way. to be able to understand skill. You have to be able to understand strategy, you have to be able to communicate it. And I think on our show, we work really, really hard to do that. Now what I would say is don't misinterpret that for us saying. Swing doesn't matter.'cause swing, absolutely 100% matters. And I teach swing and Rob teaches swing single day. Right. But

Rob Failes 8:21

Yeah.

Eric 8:23

more to developing your game sort of what you call the geometry of the swing.

Rob Failes 8:29

Mm-hmm.

Eric 8:29

And although that is very important, so this is not,

Rob Failes 8:33

Not

Eric 8:34

just.

Rob Failes 8:34

just,

Eric 8:35

You know, swing your swing and then if you know, if you're you'll shoot better scores. Or, you know, if you, if you pick conservative targets for strategy, you'll be the best version of yourself. Like

Rob Failes 8:47

Mm-hmm.

Eric 8:49

And that's what we're trying to convey with this show. That's why we put it out. I'm most proud of too, which I wanna bring up just for a second, I was looking at the year end, um, podcasting charts like worldwide charts. And we're still at the golf intervention are little lowly independent. We're still in the top 10% of most listened to podcasts in the world out of like

Rob Failes 9:14

That's wild.

Eric 9:16

And it's funny

Rob Failes 9:17

because

Eric 9:18

you and

Rob Failes 9:18

you and I neither want

Eric 9:20

media presence at basically

Rob Failes 9:22

not much. Yep.

Eric 9:24

we don't like it. We don't use it. really. I mean, very little. Maybe that, maybe we will get into that a little bit more. But what we've

Rob Failes 9:32

Yeah, we've been talking about that. Yeah.

Eric 9:34

I think that putting

Rob Failes 9:38

just really, really

Eric 9:39

solid, helpful, you know,

Rob Failes 9:45

Yeah. That's.

Eric 9:46

beatty information is what we're about. And

Rob Failes 9:49

That's. all we're trying to do.

Eric 9:50

you could

Rob Failes 9:50

Yeah.

Eric 9:51

if you've been through the catalog. That's all promote so you, as the listener, we just thank you for tuning in and if you share this with your friends or share it on your social media, like, Hey, y'all should check this out. If you play golf, that's really helpful. But at the end of the day, we don't even do it for that. Like we don't make money off this.

Rob Failes 10:08

No,

Eric 10:08

just a

Rob Failes 10:09

no.

Eric 10:10

we lose money on it. Uh, we're just a

Rob Failes 10:11

No, we're definitely not in the black.

Eric 10:14

just a couple of guys like To, you know, like, we're up late tonight after the kids are in bed. Doing a show because we, we think that we're helping, So, this is what we're doing. So, um, going back

Rob Failes 10:28

Going back to

Eric 10:30

skill, and swing, in that invasive, most easily. Um, importantly effective for your game. How do you

Rob Failes 10:43

How do you feel like

Eric 10:43

students have absorbed that this past and what have

Rob Failes 10:49

what have you seen as far as like, is there any

Eric 10:51

man, they're really getting that, or This person's

Rob Failes 10:53

yeah. Yeah, I think the, a couple aha moments, I think for, for me personally, kind as I'm, as I've been working through this is understanding that from the strategy aspect, it really is. You can think of it as more of like the conscious prediction, right? So like, what can you say out loud? What can you say in words to other people? So like if I'm playing golf and I'm maybe doing a playing lesson with someone else. Oftentimes I'll have them think out loud, like as they're preparing for the shot. So strategy is, as we define it, is really that very conscious prediction of like, Hey, what are you trying to do and how are you trying to do it right? Which has to deal a lot with your decision tree. So like your priorities for this given shot, as well as your shot process in terms of how you're predicting the lie, the slope and the wind are gonna influence the golf ball. Right, because as you're going through that, you can make a balance sheet, if you will. Like, hey, here's the, here's the real yardage. Right? Well, I'm gonna, I'm be downhill, so it's gonna subtract and then, oh, well I'm into the wind. I'm gonna add, so like you're playing this, this prediction game of like, how is the environment gonna influence my golf ball? The skill is more the subconscious prediction. It's not the very, things that you can. Put into words, it's the very micro elements of what is creating the ball flight, the strike that you're noticing. Right. And getting golfers. And this is something that we both are trying to get better at communicating and getting golfers to understand that it's a prediction, it's a subconscious prediction. You don't know where the club sweet, like where the sweet spot is going to be in space when it gets down around the golf ball. Right. You're also making a subconscious prediction about where the ball is in space too. Like when the ball's in the rough and it's sitting way up or sitting way down,, and the ball's above your feet a little bit, ball's below your feet. You're making these subconscious predictions about where the ball is, where the bottom of your swing is, where the club face the path is gonna be. The speed of the club head, what, how much it's, it's gonna have when it hits the ball,. You cannot control this stuff. So you have to have strategies in place. I say strategies, but we're talking about skill here. Um, you have to have processes in place that intentionally build and improve your prediction, that subconscious prediction process, right? So understanding that I think is just so huge. Because when I'm talking about like the aha moment, it's when golfers can say. Alright. I produced the skill that I wanted, I just made the wrong prediction, right? So I, like, I did everything I was trying to do and I just predicted it incorrectly. Right? A good example would be putting right, so you, you gave it your intended speed. You did exactly what you were trying to do from a skill standpoint. But then the golf ball rolls way too far, way too short. And that's different. That's way different than not producing your intended speed, right? So the first question is, did you produce your intended speed? And if so, then you can take a look at the outcomes, right? And so it's such a game of awareness and start such a game of, um. I guess just a lot of like experience really to be able to, to decipher between the two. Like when, when was it really a prediction error versus when was it just an execution error? You didn't produce what you were trying to do. Right. I think, I think distinguishing between those I think is, is so huge when it comes to skill and then swing, right? Detaching the outcome and what the ball's doing from your swing and really. Kind of putting the swing in its place. Like what are the elements of the swing that are super critical?, Number one, is it hurting your body? Is it allowing you to play number one? Number two is, is it efficient? Meaning, are you getting a lot of bang for your buck? Number three is, is it effective in the sense that it's. Allowing you to be skillful. And this is why when we do a lot of the skill training that we're gonna talk about, we're, we're basically treating this like a, uh, if you haven't listened to our podcast before, as we kind of move into this new phase, this is kind of some of the underlying information you need to know. Because as we start to do this skill training, a lot of it being differential training of like, Hey, can you explore the, the ranges of these skills? Well, what that's also doing is that's giving you a really good sense of, is your swing. In the ballpark from a geometry standpoint or not, right? Because I can guarantee, like if you can access the heel in the toe with relatively similar ease, if you can access the bottom of the face, top of the face, if you can access face close to the path, face, open the path. And if you can produce your intended speed, it's like, okay, like your, your swing is in the ballpark. You're allowing yourself, you're, you're getting from your swing, from a geometry standpoint. What you need to get from it. If we change geometry in terms of a golf swing, it's gonna be to bias the skills differently, not to create a specific skill just to bias the skills differently. Right. And that's where Eric, you're nodding your head, right? So you could probably think of times where golfers made a swing that would bias us the skill in the way that you and I want them to. But it didn't mean like all of the skills lined up for that particular shot. And they're like, the ball doesn't do what they want. And the golfer thinks like, oh, that was all, everything. There was terrible. Like, hold on. No. Like you made the swing that you wanted, one of these skills was a little bit outta place. Right. So there's a reason why we say there is strategy, there is skill, and then there is swing. Yeah, because while they, they do play off of one another and they do relate to each other for sure. I don't know how many swing issues are created by poor strategy, probably a ton. Right. So they do, they do play off of each other. But from a golfer standpoint, in terms of your training them, you probably need to be keeping them separate And understand that they are separate.

Eric 17:10

And I think that Swing is what you create. Skill, right?

Rob Failes 17:18

Yes.

Eric 17:20

Skill mostly happens in this time interval. That's like, I mean, think about the time interval of the club hitting the ball and that's

Rob Failes 17:29

Yes.

Eric 17:30

produced, right? So to

Rob Failes 17:31

Yeah.

Eric 17:32

Right. You're not gonna make a swing that's anything,

Rob Failes 17:36

Mm.

Eric 17:37

to do is create a vessel through which

Rob Failes 17:40

Yes.

Eric 17:41

can be achieved and, and, and then in line with your goals, right? So

Rob Failes 17:48

Yeah.

Eric 17:48

where you're always trying to make sure what I'm doing is in line with my goal. One I'm is in line with my goals.

Rob Failes 17:54

Yep.

Eric 17:57

we don't have to just jump to swing to, I would say, in the season. A lot of what I'm working on with golf, especially competent golfers, is skill stuff, skill

Rob Failes 18:07

Mm-hmm.

Eric 18:07

A little

Rob Failes 18:08

Agreed.

Eric 18:08

that, you know, sometimes

Rob Failes 18:10

But it's probably very targeted swing stuff. Like, it's probably very like, Hey. To create this different skill. Let's explore this aspect of the swing and let's just see if it gives you that nice little, short term bump in accessing the skill that you want. Right?

Eric 18:29

who's an amateur new new student of mine in the fall, he came to me and the swing kind of coming off injury. And anyway, the swing wasn't where he wanted it to be, and so therefore he wasn't producing the shots that he needed to produce in the

Rob Failes 18:45

Yeah,

Eric 18:45

And so.

Rob Failes 18:47

so

Eric 18:48

I'm like, okay. So he, me to look at his equipment first, kind of, that was part of the

Rob Failes 18:53

part of the story

Eric 18:54

the biggest Part of the story.

Rob Failes 18:55

Part of the story is actually,

Eric 18:57

can you you're making, you need to produce with the ski, you know, through the skill. And the answer

Rob Failes 19:05

And the answer was no. But it was also

Eric 19:07

in, four weeks I'm trying to qualify for a

Rob Failes 19:11

mm-hmm.

Eric 19:11

I got this stuff coming up. So what did we do? We mainly. basically made the best we

Rob Failes 19:17

Yeah.

Eric 19:17

Right the short and then in the long with we had to go for swing change because he, to produce speed and to produce clubface, you know, clubface delivery, I should say. Not control. I hate clubface control as a terminology,

Rob Failes 19:34

hate the word control. I'm, I'm, my goal is to never say control in a lesson if I can help it. You ain't controlling Jack.

Eric 19:44

ain't no controls there, brother. But what you

Rob Failes 19:47

Yeah. can do is

Eric 19:48

deliver

Rob Failes 19:49

deliver

Eric 19:50

as best you can in

Rob Failes 19:51

predict. Yeah.

Eric 19:53

type of

Rob Failes 19:54

Yeah.

Eric 19:54

right? And that, and was something that like, he knew

Rob Failes 19:58

Mm-hmm.

Eric 19:59

Very, very growth minded, very whatever. swing change, he's gained a bunch of of distance, bunch of clubface,

Rob Failes 20:08

Mm-hmm.

Eric 20:09

delivery stuff that's improved. Um, can hit the ball both ways now. So like all the stuff that you were just talking about, like so he can control, he can have, he has access to changing trajectories to more speed, to higher launch, to lower launch, to curbing the ball both ways. When basically we went and I was like, we've gotta hit a medium draw on every shot. Like, that's what we have, that's what we can predict. That's what we're playing for now. And then

Rob Failes 20:35

Yeah.

Eric 20:36

gonna work on it from there. And

Rob Failes 20:38

Yeah,

Eric 20:39

and the game is really like that's a visual. from the lesson kind of bigger picture, right? Like this

Rob Failes 20:45

yeah.

Eric 20:46

months of like very intense work on the swing, like per week, like working at it. And when you take that on, even as a like spectacular athlete, like this gentleman is, it is work to change your swing, right?

Rob Failes 21:02

Hmm.

Eric 21:02

not that it should be never done, but it's can be difficult You know, improving skills can be a little less invasive, right? and

Rob Failes 21:13

a hundred percent.

Eric 21:14

we talk about skill, you know, and Ro Robbie mentioned it, time interval. The club

Rob Failes 21:20

It's micro.

Eric 21:21

the club face,

Rob Failes 21:21

It's super micro.

Eric 21:23

club face hitting the ball, right? And where's the

Rob Failes 21:26

Where

Eric 21:28

and vertically? We call that face, angle and, and dynamic Where is it striking on the face when it does that? Right. Where's the club moving in space, up and down, in

Rob Failes 21:38

down.

Eric 21:38

and how fast is it going? Okay. Those are the things,

Rob Failes 21:42

Are those are

Eric 21:43

we

Rob Failes 21:44

what you're working

Eric 21:45

create the

Rob Failes 21:46

create.

Eric 21:46

the to the interval produces Those are the

Rob Failes 21:51

Those are the only

Eric 21:53

happening, right? Everything else that you trajectory, ball speed, carry distance, you know, rollout distance, land angles, peak

Rob Failes 22:04

mm-hmm.

Eric 22:06

loft, all of those

Rob Failes 22:08

All those things are derived

Eric 22:09

that interval and impact that we just described.

Rob Failes 22:13

Foundation.

Eric 22:14

and so when

Rob Failes 22:15

So

Eric 22:16

the foundation of that.

Rob Failes 22:17

the Foundation.

Eric 22:18

can have

Rob Failes 22:19

then you.

Eric 22:19

to it, which we do with a, with a device called in our lessons. Right? you.

Rob Failes 22:24

Yep.

Eric 22:25

you can work on those

Rob Failes 22:27

On.

Eric 22:27

way that mind blowingly, mind

Rob Failes 22:34

Mind blowing.

Eric 22:36

I should say.

Rob Failes 22:36

Yeah.

Eric 22:37

way that you're just like, oh my gosh. Now enough to tell that I've been, I taught golf for a long time when we had no access to that.

Rob Failes 22:47

Mm-hmm.

Eric 22:47

pretty much everything was seen through the lens of swing, right? because we didn't have the tools, So

Rob Failes 22:56

Okay, So

Eric 22:56

do have the tools, right? And so this is why, you instruction's important, but do you need to practice with track manual proof? You do not. And so that's what we try to go through in our, in our episodes, like are the ways that I

Rob Failes 23:10

what are the.

Eric 23:10

myself feedback to understand what I'm doing, how I'm doing it, right? And I think that,

Rob Failes 23:16

I think that, um,

Eric 23:17

we're gonna continue

Rob Failes 23:18

we're gonna continue

Eric 23:19

very good visuals

Rob Failes 23:21

in our series.

Eric 23:22

about ways you can try to detail uh, which I think we've done but really be effective there. we'll use the Substack to kind of like we've done in the past, show ways to practice, and we have definitely like practice drills and stuff on the substack. I think that that's

Rob Failes 23:37

think that that just

Eric 23:38

whole

Rob Failes 23:39

the whole encompassing

Eric 23:41

of

Rob Failes 23:41

sort of framework. Yeah,

Eric 23:43

right? I'm

Rob Failes 23:46

because.

Eric 23:47

I think those teachers that

Rob Failes 23:51

that I know?

Eric 23:52

I, you know, that I with a are, are, understanding that and teaching

Rob Failes 23:59

Yeah,

Eric 24:00

And it's exciting, right?

Rob Failes 24:02

yeah,

Eric 24:03

it,

Rob Failes 24:03

sure.

Eric 24:04

a lot of room for individual

Rob Failes 24:07

Individuality. Yes.

Eric 24:09

what you might call idiosyncrasy,

Rob Failes 24:12

I call

Eric 24:13

a swing

Rob Failes 24:14

building.

Eric 24:14

in to out rather than out to in.

Rob Failes 24:16

Mm-hmm. I like that. Yeah.

Eric 24:18

it's, unduly influencing every position of the swing.'cause it may not be comfortable for the student, it might not make sense to the student.

Rob Failes 24:28

Yeah.

Eric 24:28

so those are the things that I

Rob Failes 24:30

Are things,

Eric 24:31

for the

Rob Failes 24:32

Yeah. And

Eric 24:33

what we can take away.

Rob Failes 24:35

one thing I was thinking about, like it's a lot of it is protecting the student from our own, like preferences and biases. Like,'cause everyone enjoys seeing different stuff, right? But it's like what we do is we make it so that's not the priority for every, like there's so many, I again, like this is, this podcast is not meant and designed to like rag on golf instruction because we believe in it wholeheartedly. Like you, the listener, like are gonna benefit from lessons, but. What we do is we try to push the, the industry, we try to push golf instruction in the desired direction, like in a direction that we believe is going to, is gonna get the masses of golfers better. There's just been so much golf instruction that has prioritized the instructors preferences and what they're looking at over the this is what this person, this individual needs their goals. Right here in front, like in, in like the, the like, like the fact-based evidence of like, what is the club doing relative to the golf ball?, Let's, let's prioritize what it's doing relative to what they would like it to do. And then like the swing stuff can be. Developed through their pursuing that task. Um, you know, obviously that's kind of how I, how I like to see it. That's how I think it, it should be. And I think you do too. And um, yeah, that's, that's what we're going to keep pushing for down

Eric 26:12

the, days

Rob Failes 26:13

the days of

Eric 26:14

play better golf. Go take a lesson. Okay, checkpoint one, checkpoint two, check ho. Hopefully those are going by the wayside. know,

Rob Failes 26:23

Yes.

Eric 26:24

swing revamping, this is, you have to be in this position

Rob Failes 26:29

Yeah.

Eric 26:30

because it's just not, I think that this framework of development, which is what I call, this is the terminology that I use, um, I share that with my, I shared it with my interns and I'm gonna be doing it with my, we, we just hired three new pros, um, at CCV, all straight outta college basically. So it's fun, like they're, they're ready to go. And

Rob Failes 26:53

And

Eric 26:54

when we do

Rob Failes 26:55

so,

Eric 26:56

I clue them into the right? Like talking about, uh, a little bit more, a little bit bigger. It's like a 30 slide document to be honest.

Rob Failes 27:06

Hmm.

Eric 27:07

do it all at once. We kind of go through it, and what I say is, when you

Rob Failes 27:11

Is,

Eric 27:11

come to see you, if you're understanding this the right they drop into your world. figure out who they are and why they're there and what they want to do.

Rob Failes 27:23

Yeah,

Eric 27:23

drop into the framework somewhere. There's no starting point,

Rob Failes 27:27

yeah.

Eric 27:29

get better at figuring out where that is, and then you figure it takes to allow them to make one step forward essentially.

Rob Failes 27:38

Yeah.

Eric 27:38

keep taking one step forward that keep getting better and better.

Rob Failes 27:44

Yeah.

Eric 27:45

improves and things get better. So it could be strategy, it it could be swing, Or some combination, like you said, they're not wholly separate from one another, but kind of. And so you drop'em in, you communicate really well, and you say, ma'am, we need to work on this today. Here. Here's where I think you are. Here, here's, let's talk about what's going on. And then hopefully they gain an understanding and they. They take that one step, they know how to practice it. They, they can practice effectively that growth mindset and figure out how to take that one step in the next direction. That's how it should work. It shouldn't be, Hey, I want to improve. Okay,

Rob Failes 28:29

Okay.

Eric 28:30

here's everything I know about golf. Here's the things I'm gonna have you

Rob Failes 28:33

Yes.

Eric 28:34

what

Rob Failes 28:34

Yeah.

Eric 28:35

point, this is what I like to see. that, going by the wayside. And that leaves a lot of room, like I said, for individuality in the swing and the club, that that really can lead to some fun golf, you know, like

Rob Failes 28:52

Yeah.

Eric 28:52

locked up golfers, like try to figure it out all the

Rob Failes 28:55

Mm-hmm.

Eric 28:57

fun to see people just practicing their skills on the call. The

Rob Failes 29:00

Yes.

Eric 29:01

all the time.

Rob Failes 29:02

Yeah.

Eric 29:03

Um, so anyway,

Rob Failes 29:05

anyway,

Eric 29:05

that discussion

Rob Failes 29:06

that discussion there

Eric 29:08

Sort of

Rob Failes 29:09

sort of.

Eric 29:10

in

Rob Failes 29:11

Yep.

Eric 29:12

the whole thing, but it's idea, It's like the piece. I mean, within that you have equipment, have, you know, stuff with the body. You

Rob Failes 29:27

Yeah,

Eric 29:28

attentional

Rob Failes 29:29

I'm clo I'm close to putting, I'm close to putting equipment in the strategy bin. I think that makes the most sense to me in terms of like where it is. It's interesting you say that. I was actually thinking where does,

Eric 29:42

does.

Rob Failes 29:42

where does it, I think it's strategy personally.

Eric 29:48

I think it most affects but maybe strategy too. It just depends on how you, how you dole it out. Because like when

Rob Failes 29:56

It depends. Yeah, it depends because like to me, when I talking about skill, like that is like you're, you're training a motor pattern, you're training your. Um, you're training your brain to perceive where the club is in space, right? The and where the face is and the speed. Yeah. Change someone,

Eric 30:14

affect where the ball

Rob Failes 30:18

true. Change

Eric 30:20

and affect or change someone's

Rob Failes 30:22

someone's.

Eric 30:24

length of club or or center mass of a club or loft and change things like face opener, close dynamic loft touching the swing. Right.

Rob Failes 30:38

Yeah.

Eric 30:39

that's why I was

Rob Failes 30:40

so that's why I was gonna say, it really fits into,

Eric 30:44

for me it's

Rob Failes 30:45

for me, it's like, yeah,

Eric 30:47

really goes back to am I impacting

Rob Failes 30:49

impact.

Eric 30:51

and making it do the thing in that moment,

Rob Failes 30:53

Mm. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah.

Eric 30:57

that's where the influence, so

Rob Failes 30:58

So basically like

Eric 31:00

the other day he swing. At all.

Rob Failes 31:06

Mm-hmm.

Eric 31:07

talk about his swing. He wasn't there to change his swing. He is an avid golfer, handicap, whatever, four days a week. Comes in for a club fitting and he's got like a 11.5 driver. And so he makes like, and it's not brand new, five, six years old, I can't remember what brand it was. So he makes like five or six. We hit it dead straight, like right off the middle of the

Rob Failes 31:32

Right off the middle face. Yeah.

Eric 31:34

straight. 3,200 spin at degrees, right?

Rob Failes 31:40

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eric 31:41

um,

Rob Failes 31:42

Um,

Eric 31:42

drop the loft down a little bit, right

Rob Failes 31:45

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eric 31:47

he gained 20 carry, 20 yards carry. I

Rob Failes 31:50

Yeah. makes sense.

Eric 31:52

yards carry distance. So his skillset, his

Rob Failes 31:55

skillset, his skill.

Eric 31:57

you know, it changed.

Rob Failes 31:58

Yeah.

Eric 31:59

up, know, and so I would say, anyway, that's kind of how I it

Rob Failes 32:04

Yeah. I can see that. I like

Eric 32:05

it from multiple.

Rob Failes 32:06

my, my dumb brain's thinking like, okay, like a part of strategy is like club selection. Like Yeah, like you're literally pulling the club outta the back. So like. What club are you pulling outta the bag? Like that's what you're changing. So like, that's, that's kind of much. Yeah,

Eric 32:23

so it's, it's

Rob Failes 32:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric 32:26

that influence, right? Where you're

Rob Failes 32:28

No, I, I, I see your, I see your point too.'cause in that context, you're taking a delivered skill. Here's a different club, you're getting a different delivered skill. So like I, yeah, I totally, I Yeah. So we did talk about equipment.

Eric 32:43

mindset, which definitely I would say

Rob Failes 32:47

Yes. That's strategy. Big time. Yeah.

Eric 32:50

the body stuff, which I would say probably Yeah. And you said,

Rob Failes 32:58

Yeah. you said you

Eric 32:59

doing

Rob Failes 33:00

you doing

Eric 33:00

injure yourself? It was interesting that you said that if what

Rob Failes 33:04

go back to

Eric 33:05

when he was talking about the swing and what you're trying to get out of it, you said, am I in a position to injure myself? Right. Second of all, can I

Rob Failes 33:14

Yeah. something

Eric 33:16

you know, better shots, essentially? Right.

Rob Failes 33:18

Yeah.

Eric 33:20

I was, I

Rob Failes 33:21

I was,

Eric 33:22

a

Rob Failes 33:22

I was having a

Eric 33:23

young and eager. Trainers, right? So you

Rob Failes 33:26

Mm-hmm.

Eric 33:27

They wanna learn

Rob Failes 33:28

They about

Eric 33:29

they want

Rob Failes 33:30

they wanna be,

Eric 33:30

you fitness to play better golf, which is great,

Rob Failes 33:37

yep.

Eric 33:38

I think there's a lot of benefit to that. when I said to them, 80% of what you should be doing with country Club golfers is focused on injury prevention, they were shocked to hear

Rob Failes 33:51

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eric 33:53

I thought we were doing box

Rob Failes 33:57

boy.

Eric 33:58

Like, think about who's your clientele is. Right? gentlemen that work at desks. You got, they

Rob Failes 34:05

Yep.

Eric 34:06

You know, they're getting older. They may train, a lot of our members are very healthy. They work out a lot, right? Like it's a, it's a healthy membership. They don't train for golf. They train, they train in a push pull kind of way. which you can be very strong and fit doing that and injure yourself playing golf'cause you're not training in any rotational planes. you know,

Rob Failes 34:31

you know,

Eric 34:31

weaker

Rob Failes 34:32

weaker.

Eric 34:33

and all these things. And like,

Rob Failes 34:34

Yeah.

Eric 34:36

be

Rob Failes 34:37

be focused on

Eric 34:38

that. Whether

Rob Failes 34:38

that. Whether you tell them that

Eric 34:40

matter.

Rob Failes 34:41

really matter, right? Mm-hmm.

Eric 34:43

hard make a selling point. Right. But you, but you could say your golf appointments performance will improve. Yeah. By being mobile and strong in the right areas and, and being able to move better and having better balance. And, and these things, they first are gonna to less injury

Rob Failes 35:02

Yeah.

Eric 35:03

you know, they're gonna help your performance. So, I mean, I think that's,

Rob Failes 35:06

think that's the

Eric 35:08

falls under like swing performance for sure.

Rob Failes 35:11

yeah.

Eric 35:13

and, and so we go through that too and we'll, we will talk

Rob Failes 35:15

Talk about.

Eric 35:16

know, limitations and what people can do, what they can't do, into the swing. Um, yeah,

Rob Failes 35:24

Yeah.

Eric 35:25

it,

Rob Failes 35:25

so I

Eric 35:25

fun. Robbie, I'm,

Rob Failes 35:26

fun, fun, Robbie. I'm, I'm, I'm really excited for the next chapter.

Eric 35:30

a little

Rob Failes 35:30

Yeah.

Eric 35:34

the It's fun having people

Rob Failes 35:37

People,

Eric 35:38

Erica. New episode coming anytime and, uh, yeah. Yeah, it's coming.

Rob Failes 35:44

asking like, all right, who, who died?

Eric 35:47

Well, what's happening?

Rob Failes 35:50

Yeah.

Eric 35:51

and Robbie have a fight? No, no, no. We're good. We're cool. as we've

Rob Failes 35:55

Oh gosh.

Eric 35:55

ever been.

Rob Failes 35:56

Did someone, someone say that?

Eric 35:59

Yeah. you,

Rob Failes 36:00

Oh my God.

Eric 36:01

still?

Rob Failes 36:02

Are y'all okay?

Eric 36:03

We cool?

Rob Failes 36:04

No we're not divorced.

Eric 36:06

get to more, we No you know, people go through stuff.

Rob Failes 36:12

yep.

Eric 36:13

um, yeah, no,

Rob Failes 36:15

Yeah,

Eric 36:15

So what else

Rob Failes 36:15

I'm excited. So what else you wanna talk about tonight? Yeah, do you have a, do you have some questions? Do you have some mail back stuff? You have some forms form forum stuff that we can, that we can pick on.

Eric 36:25

through

Rob Failes 36:29

Oh man. I thought you had'em like on, I thought you had them like that in front of you.

Eric 36:37

right now. Um, one of the ones I saw, which, which was, so this just goes back, I kinda actually mentioned this just a little bit ago, but I saw one that was like, play a 12 degree driver. Do you think I should change that or something? And people get rid all these answers. The,

Rob Failes 36:52

Yeah.

Eric 36:52

is maybe, it really depends you launch

Rob Failes 36:57

Yes.

Eric 36:58

like, you, you, you, you can't go find just

Rob Failes 37:01

Find, Yeah.

Eric 37:04

and have these great answers if you, if you understand

Rob Failes 37:07

If you understand the process of what it takes to play better.

Eric 37:10

then you'll know that you'll that's a context list. Is that a word? Lacking context question. Textless

Rob Failes 37:21

less. Yeah.

Eric 37:21

lacking context for sure.

Rob Failes 37:24

Yep. So

Eric 37:26

be,

Rob Failes 37:27

have to be

Eric 37:27

be,

Rob Failes 37:28

you have to be asking,

Eric 37:29

right?

Rob Failes 37:31

and

Eric 37:32

some

Rob Failes 37:33

people,

Eric 37:33

people don't. I think people

Rob Failes 37:35

I think people generally just

Eric 37:38

to play better. I will tell you

Rob Failes 37:39

they're looking for the secret.

Eric 37:41

the secret. I will tell you something that I've been doing recently wife and children It is getting back into playing my guitar song, which I hadn't done for years.

Rob Failes 37:53

Mm. Cool.

Eric 37:54

got a really, really sweet guitar for my wife for Um, kind of like a dream, like for people that play guitar, like it's like a dream guitar, right?

Rob Failes 38:06

Hmm.

Eric 38:08

it also,

Rob Failes 38:10

also

Eric 38:10

it, it's a, it's an electric guitar. Um. It's challenging me

Rob Failes 38:16

challenging.

Eric 38:17

new things, right?

Rob Failes 38:19

Yeah.

Eric 38:19

I do? I do what everybody go on YouTube and try to figure out how to and guess what? It's frustrating and it's maddening and nothing helps me, right? Like I have plenty of skills. I'm like, I'm like a, I'm like a golfer that like, you're like, oh, that guy could do some things right? But he like has the yips putting or something. No, it's not, that's not a good, that's not a good

Rob Failes 38:40

Well, what level, so are you a level 1, 2, 3, or four guitar player?

Eric 38:44

I would I, I could play the acoustic guitar, you know, you wanna listen to a real strum song, right? Like a open chord, crummy, acoustic, country song, rock song, all that style of playing. I'm like. Pretty good. Like yeah, like decent, like pretty good, right? It could play songs. It do, do it

Rob Failes 39:09

Yeah.

Eric 39:10

good rhythm, good like it's, I'm pretty, I'm not trying to brag, good. But when it goes to heavier bluesy, lead

Rob Failes 39:18

Hmm

Eric 39:19

I have no skill at all.'cause I've never done it.

Rob Failes 39:21

Hmm.

Eric 39:21

saying? Like, I

Rob Failes 39:22

So as soon as you go to the wet dorm in Bermuda,

Eric 39:24

I

Rob Failes 39:25

in, in the winter time, why am I knifing everything?

Eric 39:31

But I will tell you, there's so many, learning and it, it's, it's like anything else's skill development, right? So it's like I'm learning

Rob Failes 39:41

Yeah.

Eric 39:41

motor skill, it's it through music, through a playing an instrument, you know, learning I wanna play. I don't know. I wanna play Sta. I'm just saying this is a ram. It's not an answer, but I wanna play Stairway to Heaven. I wanna play the solo and Stairway to Heaven. I'll be like, Jimmy Page. Right. I mean, I don't understand scales really.'cause I never played scales. I don't play lead. I don't play. I don't play that style. Like everything I do is on the top

Rob Failes 40:08

Mm-hmm.

Eric 40:08

playing court, open courts as opposed to on the bottom and in the middle where you're you know that fast stuff. And then there's tone of the guitar and there's amplifiers and like. All this stuff that I just, it's a new world, but there's so much of it. And if I try to go on and like, oh, learn to do this, the context is so lacking that you can't figure out where you are in the process, right?

Rob Failes 40:29

A hundred percent.

Eric 40:31

remedial'cause I'm really good at other stuff or decent other stuff. And then can't do that at all and I don't really understand it. So what I've decided is music theory is like understanding ball light loss. It's the foundation of it, right? It's like I gotta understand notes, scales, keys, that kind of thing. then I'll be able to, but that's like

Rob Failes 40:56

that's like.

Eric 40:57

how ball flight laws And then I can, then to make sense, right?

Rob Failes 41:03

Yeah,

Eric 41:03

also the things we talk about, like pacing your practice and if I do it in shorter

Rob Failes 41:07

do

Eric 41:07

more often,

Rob Failes 41:08

more often,

Eric 41:09

better

Rob Failes 41:09

that's better

Eric 41:10

for an hour once every three days. Right. I try to or 10 minutes and do stuff and then do that a couple times a day. it's amazing how I feel like that's way better than me sitting for an hour and try to figure something out. Um, so it's,

Rob Failes 41:27

So it's, it's, uh, it's very. Yeah.

Eric 41:30

I think

Rob Failes 41:30

And so I think that for us, those of us that teach,

Eric 41:34

quote, those

Rob Failes 41:35

those, that teach should never succeed. Mm-hmm.

Eric 41:38

it's attributed

Rob Failes 41:39

attributed,

Eric 41:43

the point

Rob Failes 41:44

the point is

Eric 41:45

we, we don't

Rob Failes 41:46

we,

Eric 41:47

learn, right? Like we're

Rob Failes 41:49

yeah.

Eric 41:49

do teach like teaching and Like that's

Rob Failes 41:52

Teaching and learning like that.

Eric 41:53

I was telling you before you and I speak golf performance, We're so wrapped up in it. We speak golf performance all day. We play

Rob Failes 42:01

day,

Eric 42:01

teach it, we think about it, we watch it,

Rob Failes 42:03

watch it,

Eric 42:03

and

Rob Failes 42:04

and.

Eric 42:05

listener to or the a the regular They're in and out of it. Their life is not golf. that's how I am with music. I, I go like everything else and then I drop into

Rob Failes 42:16

I drop into it

Eric 42:17

alright, what am I doing now? Right. it's

Rob Failes 42:20

and

Eric 42:21

to learn, like, like immersion

Rob Failes 42:24

like conversion.

Eric 42:25

go to a two week guitar camp, myself in it for a while and

Rob Failes 42:29

Yeah. It's

Eric 42:29

I think about for a mo I take a sabbatical and spend six months doing it. But. That's not how my life is. So I'm in and outta the brain is switched off from, about it all, and then I drop into it and that's how golfers are. I go to work and I'm

Rob Failes 42:43

Work,

Eric 42:43

stocks and I'm a lawyer and I'm doing these things and then I'm a doctor and then, know, I'm

Rob Failes 42:48

you

Eric 42:49

lives. And

Rob Failes 42:49

knows,

Eric 42:50

go to the country club

Rob Failes 42:51

and to

Eric 42:51

to figure

Rob Failes 42:51

club

Eric 42:52

how do

Rob Failes 42:52

out.

Eric 42:53

grip? what was, what

Rob Failes 42:56

Yes.

Eric 42:56

me my left

Rob Failes 42:57

Yeah.

Eric 42:58

Like, know,'cause it's just in top of mind.

Rob Failes 43:03

Right. I think

Eric 43:04

Cool. If you

Rob Failes 43:06

If you understand the developmental

Eric 43:08

helps build like

Rob Failes 43:10

yeah.

Eric 43:12

And that's what I was talking about. It's very, similar to anything. I'm sure fitness is like this and music and gymnastics and

Rob Failes 43:19

Mm-hmm.

Eric 43:20

type of skill you would, you would want to learn for your.

Rob Failes 43:24

Yeah. And then one thing that actually. You made me realize as you were talking, like as you were discussing your guitar is like what you, the answer that you gave me was like, oh, I'm, I'm a level one in, in this aspect of playing guitar. I'm a level two aspect in this playing guitar, and I'm a level, maybe a level three in this. So when we're going through these level 1, 2, 3, 4 discussions, it's always gonna start with some of the data that we have that is gonna educate you on. Based off of your, where you are in your game and actually where you are in each aspect of your game, right? Are you a level 1, 2, 3, 4 driver versus your approach play versus your short game versus your putting? Um, and so because you could, you could be a level two golfer from a scoring average standpoint, but be a level three putter. Right. But the reason why you're level two is because you are like injury level one when it comes to your driver, right? So, so our goal is to, is to, and what something that we're gonna work on is to make sure that you all have some, some concrete stats, some concrete ways for you to distinguish what areas of your game are your strengths, right? And we're gonna teach you which areas to prioritize in terms of like, Hey, based off of where you are. This aspect of the game, you probably need to prioritize that or try to get that to be a strength of your game, right? Because for some golfers, like there are elements, uh, again, between like driving approach, shorting and putting that just aren't as relevant, that we're not gonna really care. Like if you're a entry level two, here's an example, right? Like if you are an entry level to. Golfer and you want to get to the end of level two, right? We're talking like, Hey, you're, you're averaging 87. You'd like to get all the way down to like 78. If you're currently like a le, like an entry level two putter, we don't really care that you get to the end of level two in putting, like, that's not how you're probably gonna get there, right? We're gonna prioritize, hey, let's to get you to the end of level two. Let's kind of push driving, let's push approach, play as much as we can to get our shots to green. To where they need to be, right? Because we know based off of the stats, like your shots to green, your, your A-K-A-K-A, your greens and regulation are really what's going to like get you to the end of level two. And we're gonna prioritize that while not. Allowing your putting and your short game to be so far down there into like level one to where it's a detriment. So like we're gonna prioritize like, Hey, can we get, can we just keep the putting in the short game good enough? Can we have a good enough floor so that we can really kind of. Spend the time improving the ceiling of your, of your driving. Like that's gonna be some of the stuff that we're gonna be, um, delving into, uh, and getting y'all to understand really, like effective time management and, and spending your, you know, your valuable time when you go and practice in a, in a very kind of smart, productive way.

Eric 46:25

point there. Like what is that, what is that

Rob Failes 46:28

What is that? What is.

Eric 46:29

in the framework in the moment based on who I am and to do, where I want to go? is

Rob Failes 46:36

Yep.

Eric 46:36

that I have to work on? Right. I had one the other

Rob Failes 46:38

I had one the other day

Eric 46:39

kind of goes um, stories from our A really good player who I've worked with a long time and he's now in the age of senior golf and he's good. So this is, this is a guy that's like 52 years old and has, I think his driver club speed's still like a hundred, 1,012.

Rob Failes 47:04

Mm-hmm.

Eric 47:04

athletic. Played two sports division, one in college, like very athletic I just move it. So like at

Rob Failes 47:11

So

Eric 47:12

years old he's thinking, he's like a one, maybe a one or I think maybe a two a pretty, like this is kind of the point of the story is like pretty mediocre wedge play. So

Rob Failes 47:24

So

Eric 47:25

it came to

Rob Failes 47:25

when it to like assess

Eric 47:27

to meet and have a game plan. I'm like, this is great. I plan. it out and um.

Rob Failes 47:33

and um.

Eric 47:34

he's well

Rob Failes 47:35

he's,

Eric 47:35

of where, where he needs to improve there. But we

Rob Failes 47:39

but he looked

Eric 47:41

and I was

Rob Failes 47:41

and,

Eric 47:42

so

Rob Failes 47:43

so

Eric 47:43

a little bit of a

Rob Failes 47:44

tinker.

Eric 47:45

can be especially good athletes, I feel like'cause they can, makes sense. Like if I have

Rob Failes 47:50

sense. Like if I have

Eric 47:51

I can like, well,

Rob Failes 47:52

Yeah,

Eric 47:52

this.

Rob Failes 47:53

know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

Eric 47:55

I was like, Hey,

Rob Failes 47:56

I was like, Hey,

Eric 47:57

here's

Rob Failes 47:57

here's

Eric 48:00

you can to all the skills. So let's not

Rob Failes 48:06

Let's not take, let's actually,

Eric 48:08

let's

Rob Failes 48:08

let's

Eric 48:09

take a little

Rob Failes 48:10

take a little bit of like a approach to

Eric 48:12

it's

Rob Failes 48:13

where it's just simply strategy. Mm-hmm. On, basically.

Eric 48:21

can, right?

Rob Failes 48:23

Yep.

Eric 48:23

So I'm like in the maintenance phase with the monkey with it The, putting is okay. like we're kind of in maintenance phase there

Rob Failes 48:33

Mm-hmm.

Eric 48:34

for you to go from two to plus two maybe. It's actually

Rob Failes 48:38

Person.

Eric 48:39

game and probably medium, which

Rob Failes 48:40

Mm-hmm.

Eric 48:42

we're gonna gonna try to develop

Rob Failes 48:44

to,

Eric 48:45

there in

Rob Failes 48:47

yeah. In whatever way we

Eric 48:49

gonna be maintenance. And then I gave him one thing to And I said, when you practice the full swing, of tinkering with your swing,'cause you're gonna pra he's a practicer. Right. Likes to practice.

Rob Failes 49:01

Yep.

Eric 49:02

instead of like

Rob Failes 49:02

Sort of like getting out there

Eric 49:04

in being like, well lemme try this because do. Right? Like,

Rob Failes 49:07

That's what people do. Yep.

Eric 49:08

this thing. I said, don't

Rob Failes 49:10

I said, don't do that. I said, put your fingers like this.

Eric 49:14

Okay.'cause you're a good

Rob Failes 49:16

Yeah. Look at a target trying to get fingers.

Eric 49:18

fingers and see how you're doing

Rob Failes 49:20

Yeah. Yeah.

Eric 49:21

then, about on the

Rob Failes 49:23

What about on?

Eric 49:25

I'm like, thinking. Absolutely right. So there's your

Rob Failes 49:28

There's your,

Eric 49:29

Went and played the

Rob Failes 49:30

when the next day.

Eric 49:31

I played a great round the finger thing about anything else. He's like, I just, he said it

Rob Failes 49:38

said

Eric 49:39

up in a way I've never been freed up

Rob Failes 49:41

That's really cool.

Eric 49:43

is good. Right? Because his focus on his full swing to change a little bit. I wanted it

Rob Failes 49:50

yeah.

Eric 49:50

from swing and tinkering just strategy Right?

Rob Failes 49:56

Mm-hmm.

Eric 49:56

then gonna develop some skills in the short game. That'll be great. And

Rob Failes 50:01

Yeah.

Eric 50:03

but I had to. Give him something else to it worked really well. And he's

Rob Failes 50:08

Yeah. That's awesome.

Eric 50:09

loved, he loves it. He's like, all the people are asking me what I'm doing, and I'm like, I'm not Um, so that

Rob Failes 50:17

Tell him to listen.

Eric 50:18

tune

Rob Failes 50:19

Yeah.

Eric 50:19

the golf intervention. If you, if you go back in time, we do mention that was it on the Substack on that? I think

Rob Failes 50:25

I think so. Yeah, it was.

Eric 50:27

a, if you're a subscriber to our, um. on the substack. you can have have access to that strategy episode, which was phenomenal. And we went over finger dispersions, um, which is really a

Rob Failes 50:42

which is really a

Eric 50:43

aiming your on your, it's some, it's uh, guidelines handicap and what

Rob Failes 50:50

Yeah.

Eric 50:51

probably is and how you would hone that in on the course. And then give you a way goal to practice towards,

Rob Failes 50:57

Yep.

Eric 50:58

when you practice. So. I'm glad we brought that up. from our lessons. Pretty exciting. Pretty exciting. Well, Rob,

Rob Failes 51:08

Well, Ralph

Eric 51:08

to mention

Rob Failes 51:09

mention, I don't think so. I think we hit on it.

Eric 51:13

fun being and,

Rob Failes 51:15

it. is fun.

Eric 51:16

I'm looking on the ground. I didn't even notice you

Rob Failes 51:19

wow. Yeah. I haven't looked out either.

Eric 51:21

Yeah, they, well, there was no

Rob Failes 51:23

There was no snow when we started. No, it's covered.

Eric 51:26

is, white, so.

Rob Failes 51:27

Oh my gosh,

Eric 51:30

but is

Rob Failes 51:33

Karen,

Eric 51:34

we're gonna call it Karen. great. or Karen, that's the names of the storm. And uh,

Rob Failes 51:44

Next one can be Todd.

Eric 51:45

Todd. Yeah, we alternate.

Rob Failes 51:49

So

Eric 51:49

thank you for tuning in. We'll be back at you, uh, starting a new We will decide what we're gonna start with. We haven't actually decided yet, but we will

Rob Failes 51:58

we're gonna keep you hanging on that one. You'll have to wait.

Eric 52:00

on something, but we do like, the series and I like,

Rob Failes 52:05

Yeah, it's gonna be fire for sure.

Eric 52:07

a format, like, gotta have a format.

Rob Failes 52:09

I like, I like the, I like the, the organization, but then like, that's where I stop. Like if I get any more organized than that, my brain just, just fries and I'm, I speak gibberish the entire time. Well, we, we learned that early on in the podcast. Like, I, I need very, just like basic like, Hey, here's what we're generally gonna talk about, and then just let me go. Uh. You talked for a right. Yeah. we don't to overthink.

Eric 52:36

need to overthink it. I

Rob Failes 52:38

Yeah.

Eric 52:39

because this podcast, we put a couple in my family, which I never knew. I never thought they thought this about me, but they were like. I can't believe you can get on a podcast and talk like that because you, you don't talk I guess when they come to visit or,

Rob Failes 52:58

funny story actually.

Eric 53:00

I talk all day. Right. I think that's what it

Rob Failes 53:03

Yeah, yeah,

Eric 53:04

teaching coaching like literally

Rob Failes 53:09

Mm-hmm.

Eric 53:09

you come home you're not like, let's have a chat. And

Rob Failes 53:14

Yep.

Eric 53:14

one in

Rob Failes 53:15

Nope, we are not.

Eric 53:16

what I was doing at work. That is not

Rob Failes 53:19

absolutely not. No. And it does not care.

Eric 53:24

to give a hoot about golf

Rob Failes 53:28

Yes.

Eric 53:28

it probably works better that way. Um, and so, think it's funny you, how did you like I can't picture you talking like that'cause you don't talk. I'm like, you know, I talk all the time,

Rob Failes 53:39

Mm-hmm.

Eric 53:41

Um, this is

Rob Failes 53:42

this is our inaugural

Eric 53:44

2.0.

Rob Failes 53:46

Yep.

Eric 53:47

with us. Tell your friends about us if you'd like to. If not, that's Keep it to yourself. We're okay with that too. As long as you feel like you're getting outta the show what you need. since it's free, you're getting what you pay for at least. Maybe you'll, it'll bring you a little bit of listening. Pleasure. In the next few days, if you're stuck at home, which I feel like I will probably be here in Central Virginia. So

Rob Failes 54:13

Yeah,

Eric 54:14

for

Rob Failes 54:14

rip.

Eric 54:15

us out next time. If you, if you're so rate and review us with that five star rating on Apple and Spotify. We have a perfect five star rating on both, which again is super Um, that.

Rob Failes 54:30

How many, how many one star ratings did you have to go and delete?

Eric 54:34

Well, you can't,

Rob Failes 54:35

Two star delete. Oh,

Eric 54:38

So when I was looking up at there's some different ways that they your show. um, for the amount of listeners that we have, we have like a lot of ratings I guess like

Rob Failes 54:50

Yeah.

Eric 54:52

um,

Rob Failes 54:52

And uh,

Eric 54:53

you know,'cause

Rob Failes 54:54

you know,

Eric 54:55

typically do it. Like, I was was like, I

Rob Failes 54:58

one day I,

Eric 55:00

I love podcasts. I don't listen to tons. I, I have a to listen to and I went in and rated'em all one day.'cause I was like, you know what, it'll take me two minutes to do that. And it does help them,

Rob Failes 55:09

it helps'em out. Yeah, for sure.

Eric 55:11

or whatnot, which we don't care about algorithms here, but you're so obliged and you're bored and you wanna rate all your favorite shows, five stars, you could go on and take just a minute. You could do that on our website, the golf intervention. Dot com. You can actually rate the show there. Just click through to all the different if you'd like to, and you can learn more about Rob and I with our bios on there. But otherwise,

Rob Failes 55:33

But otherwise we're glad

Eric 55:35

and, uh, we hope that you have a great day and week if you're in a place that you can, and we will

Rob Failes 55:42

Yep.

Eric 55:42

next time on the Golf Intervention Podcast.

Rob Failes 55:46

Cheers. I.