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Christmas Trees, Hormones & Our First Jobs
Happy Halloween - and you know what that means - tomorrow November 1 is Christmas. So Merry Christmas - and don’t even get twisted over it because one of us still has their table set from last Christmas, so you’re barking up the wrong tree. And while we are at it - let’s talk lights. LED white, warm white or color - which one of us throws out their lights after every Christmas to avoid the dead light drama, and stay tuned for the greatest Christmas lights life hack. Here on Mayhem, we take Santa’s holiday serious.
And since we’re talking LED - let’s talk gyno office lighting. No one wants to be able to see the cheeseburger they ate in the third grade - while wearing a paper gown, and fighting for a shred of dignity, cmon. And then there’s the entire conversation about time management because nothing feels more like cattle than being shoved into cold offices, and then sitting there for upwards of an hour, while you wait for seven minutes of someone’s distracted time. Okay, rant over. For now.
Rest assured not every practitioner is like this though - and we have a local favorite. Our girl Stephanie at CHS Hormone is changing both of our lives and ultimately the way the conversation sounds around hormones and hormone therapy. She is a unicorn among practitioners.
Todays real topic - the work force - with us in it … we unpack our work history. From barbecue joints, to ice cream parlors, Blockbuster, and science warehouses. We get real about steel toe boots, about how much barbecue we’ve consumed on the clock, water pills and our favorite things about late night inventory. And ultimately some of the lifelong relationships that we've built at each of these jobs.
And of course we get sidetracked along the way somewhere between Olive Garden endless breadsticks and why does work out sweat on a man smells so good? And you’re welcome to disagree, but we probably won’t believe you. Assuming it’s pheromones, but if one of you guys has a better answer, please let us know. What can we say - that’s amore (listen, you’ll understand).
MSN, RN Stephanie Donovan
- at CHS Hormone in Mt. Pleasant
@charleston_hormone_services on Instagram
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I can't Happy Halloween, happy Halloween.
Speaker 1:Man.
Speaker 2:It's frigging bats.
Speaker 1:You know what that means? What Tomorrow's Christmas?
Speaker 2:Tomorrow is Christmas, so Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's time to put your stuff up. Take all this skeleton crap down.
Speaker 2:Lucky for me, I'm sitting here looking at my Christmas centerpieces.
Speaker 1:Love that I have a friend and a listener who actually already has two trees up. She does beautiful trees and they take a lot of work. So she started the second week of october stop it.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm ready, I am ready she has the trees that are like aesthetic, you know, like one is like a grinch tree and it has like a very southern and she's in new yorker actually but it has like the little twirlies that come out. That's not the kind of tree I learned to like tree on. I need to find a picture of Cindy's tree for you.
Speaker 2:I'm sure that she does an amazing tree Hold on one second.
Speaker 1:Tiny, come on, looks like something out of Southern living, cause we still my mom still uses like the ornaments. It's not like she does like the twirly tree. She has all of her ornaments that she made. She's a big collector of ornaments, but I mean we're talking every branch has like 9,000. It is so many lights. This thing literally looks like something straight out of Southern living.
Speaker 2:How long does it take her to put it up?
Speaker 1:Weeks.
Speaker 2:That's a million dollar business idea, for I would pay somebody to come to my house and put up my Christmas trees for me.
Speaker 1:I'm all about it. I did learn a lesson, though. Recently somebody told me this, and I'm a big fan, so I'm going to share it, and this may trigger some people, but I throw my lights away when the season is done.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:Yes, I cannot stand the game of it. Does it work? Does it not work? Does it?
Speaker 2:work, does it not work?
Speaker 1:Getting halfway through in the middle, one being like actually I know I worked a minute ago, I'm not feeling it today.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm like that with the whites. I feel like the whites don't match, cause I usually do like the, you know the warm white or yellow, whatever it looks like, and then like if you buy two different brands they don't match, and it makes my eye twitch.
Speaker 1:I can't do it. I go to Lowe's every year now because they're not expensive. What's more expensive is my stress level. I go every year, I open the boxes and I plug the first one. I actually plug all of them. I open every single box. I plug it into the back of one of the blowups to make sure, a that it works and, b it's the right one for me. I've done it with my mom. She's like oh Becca, I don't know if you can do this. I'm like you can't. I think it's genius. I'm not playing. I will pop the top on every single box and check it and make sure that it's the yellow that I need. I'm not doing the LED makes. Something must be wrong with either my brain or everyone else's. It gives me a massive headache.
Speaker 2:I just don't love it. I love the warm yellow. You know what I mean it's yellow. Oh did I lose you yeah.
Speaker 1:Are you there? Yeah, okay, yeah. For a second it froze on my side. I don't know what happened. I don't either, but I'm here. So go back to your LED you have a problem with it?
Speaker 2:Yes, I do. I don't know. It's just something about. It is not warm enough for me, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'm in like the gynecologist's office. Yes, where I can see a hamburger I had in the third grade.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's too bright, I just don't love it.
Speaker 1:Do you know I have a strong pattern of leaving a doctor's office before I've been seen. Can we talk about this?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I will leave and I will not tell you and I will make you call me. I will not sit there for more than 30 minutes in my underwear or naked. I will get up, get dressed and leave and you will call me and I will say that the next time that you make an appointment, please make sure that you have space appropriate for me. I'm not going to sit there for upwards of an hour like a hostage situation so I can feel bad about myself. If you don't have time for me, that's fine. Make sure that the next time you book me you have time for me. Ooh, I will leave. I have been called at least four times.
Speaker 2:I'm not Wow.
Speaker 1:No, I did not know this about you. I have something about it when you're under those lights and you're already doing the thing, and now you've set aside the time, you've taken 20 minutes to get there. These appointments should not be. I have one person that I will make an hour for, and she has never made me wait more than seven minutes, but I am not. If you want an hour of my time, you can sit your butt down and talk to me about everything that's going on in my body. I'm not going to sit there and tear myself apart under your nasty lights with paper over me while I'm freezing, but my feet are sweating. Why does that happen?
Speaker 2:Is it me or does it happen to you too? My feet don't. I feel like I'm always freezing.
Speaker 1:No, I'm freezing, but my feet feel clammy.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not the most comfortable situation. Do you go to a guy or a girl?
Speaker 1:For my gyno or for my regular care.
Speaker 2:Gyno.
Speaker 1:I don't see a man.
Speaker 2:So that would be a woman right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't really. I here's the thing I have very like I would if I thought that it's like what are the alternatives? I know, I don't know why I did that. Welcome to my brain. Um, I I don't understand how you're going to tell me about. First of all, I really do not like hearing direction from men. Unless I have a deep trust in you, I just am not interested.
Speaker 2:There's some trauma there, I think.
Speaker 1:I'm just not interested.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So my mom thinks it's weird that I go to a woman. I'm like I think it's weird that you go to a man.
Speaker 1:Your mom thinks it's weird that you go to a woman.
Speaker 2:Yes, she has told me that before.
Speaker 1:Ma'am the person. I want the person who's walking around with the same set of tools to talk to me A hundred percent. I want to tell her when I get like lightning, whatever or whatever's going on, like I need to be able to describe it and I want to talk openly. I don't want to if I see a second of judgment cause this. I had to have a man put my IUD in.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I remember that guy. He was a dick, wasn't he?
Speaker 1:He was. I just got a letter in the mail that he retired. Um, I love my OBGYN office but my original one retired so I had to get a new one. She's great, she's young. I tell her about all my life, but I wasn't sure if I would have health insurance going into this new year. So when I got to the front desk my OB was going on vacation for the holiday and of course there's like this nurse and she's rolling. I was like she's, like I don't think we're going to be able to fit you in before the new year. I was like you are. I don't care if there's a janitor who's picked up pamphlets on the marina that he thinks he could make it happen, we're letting him do it. Give me grandpa out back. Whoever it is, somebody is shoving this thing, tom, is of the essence.
Speaker 1:So I did get grandpa and he gave me this is actually a great intro. He told me that perimenopause is fake. He told me that perimenopause is fake. He could see in my thing that I go to like a hormone person and he he spent the entire time that we were in that room together talking to me about how just all of his own old school you know thoughts on it and I actually love my hormone person. So I just stopped sharing with him because I could tell he was closed minded and she is wonderful.
Speaker 2:I finally went to see her and she is just as amazing as you said she would be like a unicorn person she is a unicorn person. What's her last name? Stephanie H starts with H. H Starts with an H At Charleston Hormone in Mount Pleasant.
Speaker 1:Yep CHS Hormone Right behind Nordstrom Rock.
Speaker 2:She is phenomenal. So she, I did think I was in perimenopause, which is why I went to see her. Turns out I am not. So that's great news. Yeah, um, but she, she took the time to go through my blood work. Stephanie Donovan Stephanie Donovan, she took the time to go through my blood work, line item by line item, and was so thorough in her explanation of how everything works. I was blown away. I mean, she opens like books to reference. I've actually snapped a picture of one of them that I'll share to the listeners. That looked really interesting. If you geek out on stuff like I do, but she is just phenomenal. I highly recommend. I just knew something wasn't right.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, you geek out on stuff like I do, but she is just phenomenal I highly recommend. I just knew something wasn't right, right yeah, and I feel like we need to listen to our bodies more and stop. Make it a priority.
Speaker 1:Make it a priority. Conversations like oh your labs are normal. Oh, your labs are normal. Yeah, it's just very superficial. The normal range is a freaking range. That doesn't mean that you would feel good inside that range. I'm supposed to be dismissed a hundred percent was just.
Speaker 2:It was very. Yes, I had been dismissed and it was like oh, here, get on progesterone because it's low, and then they give you one that's got a bunch of crap in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so it was like and we go to like the same pharmacy, so it's not like there wasn't the opportunity to be on the good one, but like, let, there was what? Gelatin, glycerin, glycerin red dye number, whatever it was like three dyes, there was a bunch of crap in there and it was like you're like is this making my skin weird, Like what is happening? And you're like, oh, it's because it's full of shit that my body doesn't need Right.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. I think we make time for manicures and different things, getting our hair done and all these things. I feel like we need to listen to our bodies if they're saying something doesn't feel right and it's not just, it doesn doesn't. It's not always normal and I do feel better. I mean I've been on a what like a week now and I mean I definitely feel like my energy level is better. Yeah, my sleep hopefully, will begin to improve, but um, which is why I initially went, but yeah tiredness is a big piece of the progesterone thing, the tiredness is adaptation, the agitation.
Speaker 1:I cannot say enough nice things about Stephanie and her practice. That has been a life changer for me Hardcore, and I take up so much of her time when I go I don't know if it's in the notes. Give her a full 40 minutes or an hour. She doesn't make you feel rushed either. No, and there's going to become a time.
Speaker 1:I will say this because they are going through their third expansion right now. Since I started going and I've only been going to her for two years, they bought the place next to that new place and they're going to the wall next and she openly told me that there she, her client base, is so full that they've already started adding doctors and they're pretty soon. It's going to be very hard to actually get to the woman herself, which is partially why I was like pressuring you, Cause I'm like, oh my God, you have to get list before no one can, Right? I've shared about her a little bit on Instagram and I've had a few people go to her and be like oh my God, that have been going to thyroid clinics or other hormone people which, by the way, in Mount Pleasant are a dime a dozen because they're all missing out.
Speaker 1:I was Zempic or semi-glutides, and they're all just putting you on basic, they're telling you you have a thyroid problem, so they're offering you hope and they're not actually addressing, like, the root cause.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's. She's incredible that you can tell that she really loves what she does and doesn't make you feel rushed and just feel like another number, so I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Like I think when we had a conversation about even when patients aren't a good fit for her cause we talk about, you might talk about clients who aren't a good fit for her, because we talk about you and I talk about clients who aren't a good fit and not everyone's a fit for her too. I mean, I really respect that when I hear about how people do business.
Speaker 2:Yes. So on that note, we have punted this a few times in our podcast journey. Yeah, we have. Today we're going to talk about jobs that we've had.
Speaker 1:I mean a lot.
Speaker 2:I've had a lot of jobs, like a lot of jobs.
Speaker 1:We're workers, though here's the thing and like I'm one of those people who can be happy a lot of places, I mean, I'm just not necessarily like man, let's go there. Okay so your first job.
Speaker 2:Okay, first job I worked oh RIP at Brushy Creek Barbecue in Powdersville, south Carolina. I started when I was 15, because back then I don't even can you work when you're 15? Now I don't know.
Speaker 1:Somebody at Chick-fil-A, I think might have been seven the other day. I am so confused.
Speaker 2:See, it was 15. So as soon as I turned 15, I went to Brushy Creek Barbecue and I got a job and you know I served up barbecue and worked the register. Was it a server?
Speaker 1:or a hostess.
Speaker 2:No, it was just like a restaurant that you went through the line and you went through kind of it like we served buffet food like behind the counter and then handed the plates okay, um, so I did that and I did catering with them and I loved it because it was like one of the most popular restaurants where in my hometown and so I got to see everybody and yeah, it was, it was the best. What was your first job?
Speaker 1:I, um I worked at this like it was like a local place, really small, had an ice cream thing, had an Eden like diner area and like had uh, what's the thing where you just like hit the golf balls really far A driving range?
Speaker 2:Oh, I was like putt putt.
Speaker 1:That's what I kept wanting to say. But it wasn't a putt putt, a driving range and, like the guys, the owner's name was Carl and he drove this big red truck, so I could always tell when he was on the property and I'd be on my best behavior. But outside of, when Carl was there, I mean we. I worked there with my first college roommate. That's how we became friends. The summer before college we went to high school together. We knew each other, but we did this job together. It would be wacky we ate so much ice cream.
Speaker 2:I ate so much barbecue, so much barbecue.
Speaker 1:We would get in trouble sometimes. There was this old lady there named Nan and she used to talk all day about her water pills. She would always be like sweating, like sweating people. It was always dripping. We were so weird, it was like the weirdest, wildest, and I mean it was a hoop yeah, I loved brushy creek.
Speaker 2:I probably would have stayed there all through high school. Um, they ended up selling to new owners and I love the old owners better.
Speaker 1:I tried so hard to get into actual food and Bev and not once like all the way through to my mid twenties I would apply for, like Olive Garden, wherever Nobody would give me a chance to be a server.
Speaker 2:I've never been a server.
Speaker 1:I was like so dead set on doing it like TGI Fridays, olive Garden, not once that is so funny.
Speaker 2:I feel like you would make a great server. Well, I don't know, you do got the ADD thing going.
Speaker 1:I know and I'm like, but I'm like I got personality.
Speaker 2:I mean I might you do you have a sparkling? You'd have made a great hostess. I hosted. Hosted in college. That was a fun job. Let's see. In high school I did Brushy Creek. You'd have made a great hostess. I hosted in college. That was a fun job, let's see. In high school I did Brushy Creek I worked at a lumberyard one summer they called me hot pants.
Speaker 1:She's so inappropriate.
Speaker 2:I know I was 16. It was really inappropriate but, I did like men, I like worked a multi-line phone system and did like a lot of admin stuff, but so that was a fun one. And then where else? In high school I was a beer cart girl at our golf course can you call a 16 year old high pants like?
Speaker 2:I don't think you can now, but back then I don't think we knew it, back then it was, and it was all men, obviously, and I didn't really think anything about it there was sometimes that like it was us and not someone else, because you're like, how did we?
Speaker 2:oh, for sure like back then I was probably like oh, thanks. But I mean, no, knowing me, I was probably probably dressing hoochie going to work. I'm sure High school you didn't dress hoochie in high school I had really long legs and so shorts were just very short on me, so probably my shorts did look like hot pants. But my favorite job in high school this definitely poor one out was blockbuster oh, I fucking love blockbuster.
Speaker 2:Oh, my god like, like it was the best job. So I went in there one weekend with my brother and they had exceptional customer service. So I was like, oh my god, they, it seems so fun to work here. And so I went there the next day and applied for a job. So I worked with like all these cute boys and they stayed open till midnight so you could get a ton of hours. And I was like all about the cash back then because you know, yeah, we were ready to go to college so I would work until midnight as much as I could, and I mean I'd get seven to eight hours a day. It was freaking banging.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I freaking love Blockbuster. God, I just like loved going in, like seeing all the new things, like there's just something about it that was like so fun.
Speaker 2:Working there was equally as fun. Like truth be told, working there was just as much fun. And then there were nights when we would do inventory and we would work until like 3 and 4 o'clock in the morning. It was so fun, oh my God. It was so fun. I loved it, absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1:I have a funny Olive Garden story which is not about working but worth sharing. In high school I had a very good friend we still talk. Her name was Lindsay, we'll say that's her name, um, but she got in a very elusive Well, I was like not sure if I was going to use her name. Oh, okay, I was like I actually we're going to do it. So, um, she got in a car wreck when we were in high school and she it was really, really bad and she wrecked her dad's truck and it like literally we lived out in the country, so a lot of the roads teed and she went off the road and actually she hadn't been doing anything crazy, but she did. We, it was winter and life in New York and whatever. Yeah, she was out really late but she teed a, um like a, a light or telephone pole, basically, and she survived.
Speaker 1:And her mom she was actually she's I won't even go into her whole story, but she's significantly like her parents were older, um, older, and they, you know, they had her like later in life. So her mom had a twin sister and she took us out for dinner we were like best friends to celebrate that Lindsay lived and we went to Olive Garden and the mom her mom, you know bless her soul. She is no longer with us. But this story, I mean, is one of my. It was an incredible. I was like I'm gonna get in so much trouble when I go home and tell my mom this, but she got so wine drunk that when amore came on she pushed back her rolling chair and sang it stop it.
Speaker 1:She pushed back her rolling and stood up and sang Amore. I'm getting tears in my eyes because I was like in high school.
Speaker 2:I was like this is not happening right now I feel like that's so something you and.
Speaker 1:I would do Do you not think? No, I know. Yes. I sat Olive Garden with endless breadsticks and wine and salad and all this and salad.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that salad.
Speaker 1:The freaking Zupa Toscana, the soup, here, and salad oh my God, that salad. The freaking Zupa Toscana, the soup here. For it I would go right now with you. I'm telling you, right now, I would eat my body weight in Zupa Toscana.
Speaker 2:I don't think I've ever had that there.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's like a. It's one of those like tomato brothy ones. It's not like broth, but like noodles, vegetables floating around sausage, so it's like healthy I mean as I wash it down with a six pack of breadsticks yeah, and it's like loaded with harm, to make it amazing okay I freaking, I like I. Every time I hear amore, I think about her doing.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a great legacy she actually.
Speaker 1:Actually we found each other. You know, like we found each other later in life, like maybe two years ago, and we had like a deep laugh about this. It was so it was one of the most.
Speaker 2:But again, that sounds so fitting and sounds like something you and I would do.
Speaker 1:I would go right now to Olive Garden just to like recreate this.
Speaker 2:I wish we had one of Mount P.
Speaker 1:I'm open-minded. I'm open-minded, All right. What was did you work in college? I worked in the summers.
Speaker 2:Okay, anything fun.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is where we've. This is the conversation we started. I worked at this place called Wards it's natural sciences or science wards. It's this huge building in Henrietta in New York. Where I lived in Rochester, they would give us these coupons to get steel-toed boots. We would go to the Red Wing store.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did start this conversation, we were like a rehab criminal.
Speaker 1:I was bananas At first. I was with a ton of my friends. There was the main boss. His name was Tony. I would go into his office almost every single Monday as soon as we got first break. I would wander down there and be like hey, how are you? And he'd be like Rebecca, I'm like I want to talk to you about like career advancement. I feel like you're not using me to my full potential. He was like get the hell out of here. I mean I would just harass the shit out of him every Monday about career advancement and my potential and like this is like literally like a. I'm so assertive of you.
Speaker 2:What a little baddie you are.
Speaker 1:You made me laugh so hard and I used to like laugh about it. So I'm like one of those people. Like once you if I know that you're thinking it's funny, I don't want to go to the break room. It amused me. I mean it was like this giant wide open space. You boys were all the hot boys packed the boxes and it was like a system and I had like the job, the girl jobs. We would like fill all the bins. We had like scanners and I was like kind of a mess with my exacto knife.
Speaker 1:So every once in a while and other people were too don't worry, it wasn't just me but like you'd like cut open a box to get out like 24 frogs, so 212 packs, and you might accidentally slice open something else so it would be damaged if the package was like cut open and I would like leave frogs everywhere. I mean I was like a mischief maker. I never wanted like big trouble but like if I, if I opened a pack of squid on accident it was always on accident, but I'm leaving squids, it's like that Denzel Washington thing, like I'm leaving here with something I came around the way I'm leaving withids. It's like that Denzel Washington thing, like I'm leaving here with something I came around the way. I'm leaving with something I mean I was notorious for, like the cats were like this and I would like put them how did?
Speaker 2:you get this weird job there.
Speaker 1:My um, one of my friend's dads was a UPS driver and I have like the, I love him so much. He told us about it because they told him that they were hiring so he used to pack all the boxes in his truck. I mean there was like a whole geology center, it was like actual science stuff. So it was cool as hell. Sometimes you just pack pencil case after pencil case and it was like a warehouse. So you were roasting and there was Steam City.
Speaker 2:This is not him, but did you do this every?
Speaker 1:summer. Yeah, it was great pay and then, like I mean, it was at the time and we were kids, it was like 14 an hour oh yeah it was like baller pay I think I was making like you sweated six to eight, so bad it was
Speaker 1:oh yeah no way to look cute there. I told you have. These people are criminals. There's like fm radios playing, so red red wine is playing every five seconds and your brain is just like there's always a. There's a woman in front, of course there was, that always wore tie-dye and I'm not gonna say her name, but she always listened to journey all day, every day, only journey. And I mean, how many times can you hear Don't Stop Believin'.
Speaker 2:A lot Like. It's one of the best songs ever?
Speaker 1:No, but this was they had. You know, there was like a forklift. So I really wanted the forklift job and I didn't realize.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, I do not feel like you would do well on a forklift.
Speaker 1:Tony would never give it to me. I'm thinking Park, do well in a four-course. Tony would never give it to me. I'm thinking park, one year, one year. These two dicks, like I mean it was genius in some ways, but they made an entire. We all had to walk it. They like showed it to us as an example of what not to do, but they spent the first half of summer building this entire secret fort on the inside of one of the aisles, like it was like a box city, and they would go in like they like undid, as they were like so slow that no one even realized because these aisles were huge. They would like build up the boxes that they unpacked and, like it got to the point where they it was big enough that they could both go inside of it and pass out cold for our entire shift, and then they got caught. You all get to see their like box room.
Speaker 2:That's amazing though.
Speaker 1:I know it was one of those jobs we would like go out to downtown Rochester after, like bring a change of clothes or go to somebody's house and like quick shower. I got a few piercings while I was like had that job like random, like just I was like was like oh, we're hanging out with Joe Schmoe and Larry convicted felons. Yeah, back to that like spontaneous conversation a few weeks ago. There was definitely a moment where they're like let's all go and like get something crazy piercing, like okay, yeah, because I mean piercings.
Speaker 2:It's like they're gonna close up yeah yeah, what did you pierce something?
Speaker 1:there was also these block parties wait what no, it's probably not what you think it is, but I'm not gonna share.
Speaker 2:But there was um block party you need to text because I'm my imagination's going wild over here they always had these.
Speaker 1:like why can't I think of the name of it? It was like this Friday party for certain weekends in Rochester and they would like close down like the entire, was it? I don't know, I can't think of the name of it, but like it would be like all bars, bands, so fun. So we would always do that with all the people from work.
Speaker 2:That's fun. Yeah, I feel like that was the best part of work is because you had like your school friends, but then you would have your work family and then they ended up being some of the people that I mean. I still am connected with a lot of them on like social media and you know we often like send memes about Blockbuster like back and forth, because you know I legends right, so but yeah, those were. And then college was mainly retail.
Speaker 1:Um, where'd you work in your retail, because I feel like everyone has to be a server or retail for sure.
Speaker 2:So I worked at belk. I worked in the men's department, of course well, that's where they put me but I got like commissioned, like who knew this was like a thing? But I did. I worked in like the Tommy Hilfiger, like Nautica, like section that was like everything right. Yes, it was everything, and I mean I liked it. It was fine. I learned how to fold clothes really well, so I mean that was a bonus.
Speaker 1:Do you hang all your clothes?
Speaker 2:now? No, I don't, and Nate's definitely listening to this podcast and I'm sure he's going to say, oh, she don't do anything where they're close, they go from the dryer to the chair, to the floor, to the dresser, um Sorry, about that Nate, but anyways, sorry about that Nate, but I have drawers and then I hang as well.
Speaker 1:I have a dresser but I hang the clothes that I use a ton and then I also have shelves in my closet. So, like my low traffic clothes are in my dresser okay, yeah, my dresser is more for like bras, panties yeah, that's all. My top drawers are like bras, panties, sports bras and socks. Those get high traffic. The socks do. Let's be honest here. Socks and bras, how many pairs of?
Speaker 1:socks, would you say you have oh well, I have combined the drawer with all three of us, so I don't know now because the girls steal mine, and so now it's because the girls steal mine, and so now it's excessive. And you know, I love athletic shoes, so I don't even bananas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I have too many socks too, and I'm wondering, like I throw mine away though, how many do we need? How many bras do we need? How?
Speaker 1:many pairs of underwear do we need? How many socks do we need? Undies? I also recently, I, so this is an interesting fun fact. Two funny things I threw all of my underwear away when I left my home, my original home.
Speaker 2:I think that's a good decision.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just felt like it wasn't a good, like I just didn't need to come here, so I replaced it.
Speaker 2:Um new energy, baby new energy.
Speaker 1:Yes, but I also belong to the gifting with integrity on mom swap. So somebody has all of my bras.
Speaker 2:I thought you were about to say panties and I was like that is weird.
Speaker 1:I worked at Victoria's secret for a really long time and I have a trick. I can see that about you. Oh yeah, I loved it. I was awesome at it. I just like literally like working with women. So after that I went to loft, cause that's a really female focused brand also, um, but I just feel very like I feel like in that space, kind of like the female OB space or whatever, like I just I can thrive there and I like to make people feel comfortable and safe and at home.
Speaker 2:I can totally see that about you.
Speaker 1:I like thrived there and I had a tricky bra size. So somebody posted on gifting with integrity like I'm a new mom and I'm in this size and life is weird. I hate to ask for this cause. It's kind of embarrassing, but I was like girl, you can have my entire bra drawer, it's yours, um. And so somebody definitely has like all of my bras.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, but let's get back to how many do you wear, like, how many do we need?
Speaker 1:I mean, what I do collect more of is sports bras, and I love them all. Okay, this is how I get dressed in the morning. I take a shower, I put on a sports bra and leggings and I walk around forever until it's time to leave, or a sports bra and sweatpants, and then I decide what top I'm going to. Wow, I'm with today.
Speaker 2:What legging, what legging sports bra, oversized tee combo am I going to wow? I'm with today.
Speaker 1:A sports bra and leggings or a sports bra and sweatpants is how I get dressed all day, every day.
Speaker 2:Yes, same. So I have two looks. I'm sorry that's tiny sneezing.
Speaker 1:It's either reverse sneeze or regular sneeze.
Speaker 2:Well, he looks like he's about to pee right now he does.
Speaker 1:Huh, in the house or outside?
Speaker 2:Well, he keeps saying about the door, so I might have to step away for one second, cause he normally does that if he's about to bus. But um, I'm either athletic shorts in the summer or leggings in the winter. Those are my two looks. It's all I got. It's all I got.
Speaker 1:And then I just switch out Like I said what? So? I do have a shelf in my closet that's all leggings, so like that is a high traffic shelf. For me it's the easiest to reach. Like I said, high traffic, and then it goes. But also my whole closet's color-coded except the very first, like 10 hangers are the high traffic hangers also oh yeah, you're.
Speaker 2:I feel like I need to like come do a deep dive in your closet, cause I feel like it's very well organized and I need to mimic that.
Speaker 1:But I do break the color code for the high traffic.
Speaker 2:But, like the high traffic, talk to me about usage. How many are you talking here? How high traffic Once a week?
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:No, how much are you wearing them?
Speaker 1:I do wash every day.
Speaker 2:You do do this.
Speaker 1:Two reasons I do hot yoga. I'm just going to level set here. Those pants in that sports bra are soaked. That's so good, that's not something I would leave around. And when I was always running, I always ran around lunchtime because that's what fit into everyone's schedule at my house, even in the dead of summer, because everyone would text me and be like, oh my God, it's noon, it's 110 degrees. I know I loved it, though I actually kind of love to sweat. I feel like it's like a weird baptism. I feel very pure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like it makes you rejuvenated. It makes me feel rejuvenated.
Speaker 1:So those shorts and that sports bra I also would never leave on my floor or on the floor of my laundry room or even in my washing machine without washing. So like. That is partially why I just run a quick load.
Speaker 2:We do that with Nate's workout clothes every day. Yeah, he, he comes in the door when he comes home from work and we throw his stuff in the washing machine. But I don't do that. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1:So, like I learned this from running and I don't know if it's true, but I'm pretty sure that it is my stuff Like I don't usually dry my leggings or my sports bras, um, because the sweat something about the way the fabrics are and you're nicer like stretchy stuff when you take heat to it, like the dryer heat. That's actually what makes, um, the odors like stay in them. But if you just wash it and line dry it so that I don't know if that's happening to him, I'm just gonna say like assumptively, like high level, if you just wash it and like put it up, because I have hangers in my laundry room where I just hang stuff on it quick, um, then you don't get the sweat. I'm not like a really stinky sweater. Actually I use loomy, yeah, so now I have like no smell, unless we're like, really, if we're out in like tent camping and we might I feel like I smell like soy sauce when I sweat.
Speaker 2:Have I told you this theory?
Speaker 1:no, is it a theory?
Speaker 2:Well, not a theory, but an observation is maybe it's a better word. I just feel like when I like sweat, like I'll take off my sports bra and I'm like I smell like like Kikamon soy sauce I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:There is something about like some sweats smell like like ketones or other things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, I feel like I smell saucy. I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 1:I love this, can I tell you, though, I also don't hate the way a man smells after he works out.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, do you know? I love it. I tell Nate this all the time we're going to get in so much trouble for this podcast.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I am here for it.
Speaker 2:Nurture nurture why? I know.
Speaker 1:No, like Nate will come in and be like I don't mean like post, like on your clothes like dirty, but there is like something. Is it just because it's like really masculine? Is it like testosterone? Is this like nurture versus nurture. This is how we all procreated.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but I love it. No, I'm with you. Yeah, no, it's one of he.
Speaker 1:He knows he knows I'm like like after like an athletic event. You know how I like, love an athlete you do still in uniform and sweaty. I'm like I'm like out of my mind yes, yes, appropriate.
Speaker 2:I'm anxious to see if other people we need to do a poll about this or if we're just complete freaks.
Speaker 1:We are either going to get fried or which happens to us a lot we just, Shania Twain, kicked a door open. Everyone's going to be like, oh my God, I mean it's a good thing.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Like I know you need a shower, but like if I catch a whiff of that, like I'm primed.
Speaker 2:I'm here for it. Yeah, I'm here for it. Yeah, I love, I love it yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, other jobs you've had, like things, like impacts, like memories.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, um, I have had really great bosses and I have had really not so great bosses, and I feel as though I was able to make that distinction fairly early in my career about what I wanted to be like and what I didn't want to be like.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, influenced. The original influenced.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I do think it led me to success throughout my career. I mean, everybody can always be better, but I definitely can recall bosses that I've had, that I've been like. I never want to be like this person.
Speaker 1:Oh, I worked very hard and was very successful. Under a boss like that, she was banana sammich. Under a boss like that, she was banana Samick. My boss at Michael Kors was hands down.
Speaker 2:the best boss I've ever had in my life, isn't that? But like, what made her such a good boss?
Speaker 1:It was a man. Ah, okay, what made him? Which is how I know that, under the appropriate circumstances, I actually can take direction from that, under the appropriate circumstances, I actually can take direction from. Actually, true, I was like such a champion for him too, and I think that's one of the things that worked very well in our like chemistry for lack of a better term, but like one thing that is really and I will take this one.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go ahead and give myself a pat on the back for this one.
Speaker 1:But one of the things that makes me a really good leader and I recognize this under his leadership because he talked to me about it is that I can build a team that people want to be on. But I also, if you are the right kind of leader, I will take your message and I will deliver it to everybody horizontally and then vertically. If I am under the right leadership, I will get every single person's buy-in for you, without even it being like a manipulation or like not meaning. Well, do you know Cause I think some people do that as, like you know, like we're in an election year, so like let's just say like this, like whatever. No, I mean, I was so bought into his leadership and he was such a good leader that I couldn't help but impact all of his store managers and then everyone below and I like live for, and we became such a good team I'm not saying just for me. I think he did a good job picking the right people.
Speaker 1:But like that's such a huge part of it, yeah, like if you have something I can believe in, I will believe in it. So hard for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you are. Yeah, that's part of your Enneagram.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, and like he would tell me he would like if something, if he wasn't as excited but he had to bring something to the teams, he made sure to like have a conversation about it with me and we would like work through it and we would find maybe an angle. But like we would still bring it to the table with a certain amount of honesty enough to say, like, but we do really need to make sure that, like, let's just get this over, done with move on, go, and I just I actually still have phone conversations, probably twice a year.
Speaker 2:I was going to ask you that. So are you someone who believes that you will two things can be friends with your boss and should be friends with your boss?
Speaker 1:We we didn't necessarily have like such a relationship like that until after. It didn't work for him, but we still shared a certain amount of personal. I do believe this. I do believe that the best bosses show a certain amount of care about who you are as an individual and your personal life.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:I think there's a line there for sure, but the bosses that were very cold about my personal life and gave it a like cause I actually rarely even share that stuff anyways, but who didn't do a good job caring about people. It showed very much in their team's engagement.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, I am someone who has always really struggled with that. Anybody who has worked and when I say this I mean hierarchy, quote, unquote under me I have not done a good job of not caring too much about their personal Like I'm really bad at it. Like the times that I've had to fire people, Like I remember one time I was working in Columbia, which was about two hours away from us, and I had to let somebody go and it was the day before Thanksgiving. I mean this is like the worst. She was a single mom. It was the absolute worst. But HR told me I had to do it. That day on the drive up there I legit had to stop at like every gas station and every exit to throw up because I was a nervous, like I was tore up about it and I'm just I've never been good at that. That is definitely something that I'm very thankful that I'm not in management anymore, that I don't have to do that, Cause I'm really For people like that.
Speaker 1:I just think it's like.
Speaker 2:So bad at it.
Speaker 1:The old school leadership strengths and weaknesses to talking about things like a neogram. I mean, I just like I'm a big believer in people and I used to as a leader I always collected people Like and I used to as a leader I always collected people Like if you offered something my team already had, I wasn't bringing you Because I always thought that that, first of all, created an imbalance, but also like I'm not going to have people compete for these like whatever's, and I always wanted the conversations to be really well-rounded, like that was really important to me.
Speaker 2:So much of it is chemistry too. I mean you know. I mean you have to, you can't have. I mean we, you and I always joke that we're the yin and the yang. I mean, can you imagine if we were both yang or both yin?
Speaker 1:But I, like I still am friends with quite a few people from my teams, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I am too. I just, like I said, I've really as somebody in like a leadership role. That was always a real struggle for me to not get in the weeds with people, because you know sometimes if they don't do their job you know, it's. You got to let them go or, you know, discipline them, and it was not easy. If you've been out with them all weekend, because I've been there before, you've been out with them all weekend because I've been there before.
Speaker 1:I didn't necessarily do a lot. I like was I didn't necessarily do a lot of that unless you were in my like leadership team, but I definitely because I'm an eight. I'm not saying that this wasn't you, I'm saying just speaking for myself. My expectations were always excessively clear. So, like no one on my teams could turn around and be like and I would say that I had a leader who I had to talk to a lot about this because she would get like real twists.
Speaker 1:I'm like you have not had that conversation even once. So, even though you've had it in your head 11 times, you do not get to be as mad as you feel because you have not explained it. So, unfortunately, that your feelings don't count here. This person has no idea that they're making this mistake or they're doing this wrong because you haven't had the guts to have the conversation. I'm not going to have it for you when, like my, if you walked in, they would be like oh, I didn't know you're working today. I was like Hmm, why? Because your toenails are too long, or because they're painted red, or because it's like, whatever it was. I mean, we had so many rules at MK.
Speaker 2:That's insane. Let me grab the dogs. Pause one moment.
Speaker 1:I mean, like we had nail colors, we had lengths.
Speaker 2:All right, hang on. I've got to snap this picture real quick. They are both.
Speaker 1:Of course they want to sunbathe. It's like y'all. Just so you know, it's literally in the 70s, and by in the 70s I mean like- oh my God, Fall bitches.
Speaker 2:It is our time to shine.
Speaker 1:Enjoying it.
Speaker 2:I just about just texted that the wrong person.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's coming to you now was never a moment and I learned that the hard way. But I learned it early on. I learned it from the boss. It was crazy. She would always say people aren't you and you haven't had that conversation and those were really good like teachings for me. I was like you're right, like I haven't. That's unfair to hold them accountable to an expectation I've never explained.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So then I would just explain it real hard out of the gates.
Speaker 2:But me and my best friend, we actually worked together. I think I was like, I mean it was a big girl job, I mean it was a career of mine yeah, a career of mine, among many, among many. It was a war. And she came to work with me and we were just complete degenerates. I mean we would go out and stay out until the wee hours of the morning. We lived together, we worked together and we partied together and we it was just. It was so hard Because, like I would get mad at her for doing the same exact stuff I did. Oh my god, it was fun. I mean we, we still. We laugh about it now, but it's like, oh my gosh, like I can't believe we tried to have big girl jobs together at the same place. All right, have you ever dated anybody that you work with High school college, any of it?
Speaker 1:I was going to say so. I did have a job where I was more degenerate Right out of school. This is how I got into retail. I got recruited. Somebody made me an assistant manager at a ballet. Total fitness Gave me a certain amount of leadership and the amount of times that I was passed out, hung over on the other side of the child care gate before child care opened, inappropriate Like I. I mean I would shower and everything there. Because it was a club. We had keys, like one of my, a couple of my friends we're actually still friends. We all worked together. Like people were had other like big people jobs, so they were just on the team. I was the assistant manager.
Speaker 1:We would go in like when it was closed, my friend Rob and I we would like work out so hard, we'd like eat a huge Easter dinner and this is, like you know, obviously dysmorphia and like go and work out so hard and then go party or like sit in the sauna, but like there was a guy there. He I don't know this is not a dating thing, but this is a huge man. I mean I I don't know why I did not think about this more, but he would go by the name justin timberlake and he was a giant stealer and I'm pretty sure, knowing what I know now, I think he actually played football for the stealers and I just was too young to realize. I mean, this man was huge, like a lineman huge, and he would always be like, oh yeah, he'd be like just go ahead and tell him Justin Timberlake's here and then he would like scan his card and I didn't pay much attention to his name but we always hit it off and like he would sometimes go over to the restaurant in the parking lot and get me food and bring it back.
Speaker 1:He's like, dude, you look rough today. He's like where were you? Oh, east Ave, that was the name of the festival, east Ave. He's like did you get East Ave last night? He would give me a huge thing from Tully's.
Speaker 1:And I'd be like now.
Speaker 2:I definitely dated, like three of our members yeah, so that's actually one of my funniest stories. So I worked at O'Charlie's in college and everybody dated everybody. I mean it was very incestuous there. And so I started dating a guy that were there one of the waiters and come to find out he was dating another one and we were getting kind of serious. Like I mean a month. You know that's pretty serious back then.
Speaker 2:Because I just got so nervous it was like a month, and so he, this girl who were we worked like opposite shifts so I never knew that he was like two-timing, and so she convinced me to get him over to my apartment and she came over before and we like confronted him about it. I'd never, would. I mean, this is not anything I would ever do on my own. I would have just been like all right, peace, I'm out, and she was like all been, but we ended up dating for like three months after that like I'm actually gonna keep him yeah out of your system he took on some really good dates though, so I'm I'm.
Speaker 1:I was gotta stick around for a few more months, yeah I don't know if I could say that I dated really our members, but I definitely sort of dated our members and, looking back, that was my best decision.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I don't feel like my decision making was the best back then. Definitely my professionalism, I would like to say, is, as I sit here, I don't know if I'm professional anymore, it's just different.
Speaker 1:I liked working at Bally's, though that's how I got recruited to Victoria's secret. I can see you working there.
Speaker 2:When you, as soon as you said that, I was like yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:And you definitely.
Speaker 2:I would definitely pinpoint Victoria's secret. I tried getting a job there. They went, they never called me back.
Speaker 1:I was so sassy too, like the old guys would always pour water on the sauna and it wasn't like that kind of sauna, and I was like, if y'all can't, I would walk right in that locker room because they would break it every five seconds. If y'all can't figure it out with the sauna, I'm going to turn it off and keep it off for a week, and it's like New York, so it's like freezing, and they would come out in their freaking towels. You know how old men are. I'm like, oh, is the sauna broke? Is it because you put water on it? And I was so like, oh my God.
Speaker 1:But I actually belonged to like four gyms at the time, and I worked at three of them when I was the assistant because I couldn't get. I loved working out, though, and I couldn't get anything done at Bally's, like if it was. If I was trying to work out, everyone would come to me with things that they needed. Or if, like, no one was there to do a tour, they'd pull me off the elliptical and be like do I really look like I should be giving someone a tour right now? That's when I still had my hair red. I would always like soft scrunch it so I never let it get really hard and I wore my big ballet total fleece fitness like my fleece quarters and I would just be like walking around, living my best life in flares and a tennis shoe.
Speaker 2:Love a flare. Roxanne gave me some flare, some flare. Lulus for my birthday.
Speaker 1:That was a really good decision. I love a flare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same, but I love a skinny too. I love a skinny skinny, jean.
Speaker 1:You know I do Looks better with a heel One little twist, but I definitely marched around in that fleece 24-7. It actually saved my butt because that is when, when I was at ballet is when I had the augmentation. So you couldn't tell at work, because I was in that stupid oversized fleece all the time and I was like survival of the fittest.
Speaker 2:Survival of the fittest. Survival of the fittest, yep, well fine, taking our little memory trip down memory lane with all of our jobs. I don't ever think about that, but it was kind of fun to do oh my gosh, definitely racked them up we did. We did. So I'm excited to hear what other people, what kind of jobs other people have had like unique ones and fun ones and fun ones, yeah we ones Fun ones. Yeah.
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Speaker 1:I always keep them polished.
Speaker 2:I know they look good All right.
Speaker 1:Do you want me to write your name with spaghetti sauce on a piece of paper and mail it to you? How do we make money on this stuff? How pervy can we get? I don't know, but I'm sure we can get pervy. I think there's like people sell like farts in a jar or so.
Speaker 2:Oh good, god, Alright, on that note, we're going to shut it down. Farts in a jar. We, like men, sweat farts in a jar and selling V-Picks.
Speaker 1:The man sweats them. It's going to be like a pheromone.
Speaker 2:It is Alright, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. We will see you next week.