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Season 4 Finale: Journals, Joy & Holiday Boundaries with Life Coach, Jennifer Sisk
We are starting to talk about the new year on the same day that we close out a full year of episodes. It’s our season finale - cheers to a full year of episodes. And - as a fun little treat because Christmas - we brought back a special guest as promised. Our resident life coach Jennifer Sisk join us for a really healthy conversation about the holidays, setting and resetting expectations for yourself and then also exploring your own boundaries, this holiday season and heading into the new year.
As we recount our adventures with holiday preparations, Jennifer sprinkles her signature humor and cheer, making this episode a thoughtful mix of merry and personal growth. The three of us are all having very different holiday experiences this year, in fact, one of us has even made the executive decision that putting the tree up conflicts with how many other things they have already committed to this season and it makes perfect sense to us, but it will be a really good experience for everyone else to hear her why.
After all, the December season is full of pressure and traditions and family and often times a lack of boundaries, where is the line between compromise and Christmas? We underscore the importance of adjusting holiday efforts to align with one's state of mind, ensuring the season is a source of joy and comfort rather than stress.
Family gatherings don’t have to be a battlefield for your peace of mind. We uncover practical strategies to maintain emotional resilience during challenging interactions, focusing on setting healthy boundaries and acknowledging others' perspectives without compromising your own well-being. With insights into overcoming mental barriers and fostering self-belief, the episode encourages you to harness the power of journaling and self-care, empowering you to end the year with confidence. Whether it's choosing a guiding word for the year or navigating emotional boundaries, we explore how intentional living can fuel personal growth and happiness.
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happy holidays happy holidays you know we like never plan this I know, I just want to like yesterday. Y'all, it's okay. So it's our season four finale Episode 48.
Speaker 3:We have got 48 episodes.
Speaker 1:That's so exciting.
Speaker 2:We have like 52, but like we have 48 that you're allowed to hear and four that went in the dumpster.
Speaker 3:They're out there, congratulations. Thank you.
Speaker 2:That's also like literally a full anniversary, like four quarters of you listening. Well, how about that? I know it's like a little happy new year kind of.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 2:That is amazing.
Speaker 1:Podcasts are hard and to have done 48 episodes is huge. I was on one for a while, so this is really good. I'm proud of both of you. It's exciting.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2:So we have Jennifer Sisk back.
Speaker 3:Yay.
Speaker 2:Welcome back. I feel like I know us. We're going to just steamroll right into it. So I feel like, real quick, we brought a friend. We promised you she would be back. She is.
Speaker 1:Yay, I'm excited to be back, thank you. And right here at the holiday season, where you know we need to make people laugh, so yeah, ourselves, we deserve it.
Speaker 3:And then you brought another friend, didn't you? Oh?
Speaker 2:listen, I, so I actually have a roommate. Um, I am cohabitating now with the moth from last week's podcast this I need you to look up black moss, because I feel like there's like some kind of weird. This thing is easily like with its wings down I'm gonna say a four inch wingspan. This I am not exaggerating. He's giant and he's attracted to my jungle wallpaper. This is what I get for leaving my door open. Yes, it's been freezing. Yes, the door is still open. I have a problem with my brain Actually can't keep the doors closed, but we are roommates now we live together. I prefer not to see him, but sometimes he shows up.
Speaker 3:But, I mean like, do you blame him? It's freaking freezing outside.
Speaker 2:I know it's just like. I just don't know if this was necessary, but in my Snow White-esque whatever you like sing and he like flies to your finger. No, can you imagine? That would be freaking awesome, but I feel like I already have some snow white tendencies. So I'm just like, yeah, absolutely. I feel like animals and like children love me and adults are like she's scary.
Speaker 1:Well, he's going to be with you or she is going to be with you. It says for about a month. So you know, don't get too attached, because you'll my biggest concern floor.
Speaker 2:soon I'm going to put the tree away and it's going to be like in the tree and I'm going to think that it's dead and it's going to be like, ah, like squirrel, but it'll be moth I mean, especially if it's the size of a bird.
Speaker 2:No, it is really like I wish the bald. There's a bald eagle that lives where I live and I'm just like, sir, if you could just come in here for three seconds, I have a beautiful hors d'oeuvre for you. Bring a bat in. I don't, I don't. The thing is, I don't want to kill it. I'm not like a big bug killer. Oh, I am yeah, I know, I am yeah, I know it's the crunch and this thing's so big. You know how moths are dusty on their wings.
Speaker 3:They look like dirt yeah.
Speaker 2:It's going to get dust, moth dust everywhere. It's true, they're messy. Yeah, they're really messy. I'm not into it.
Speaker 3:All right, Well, welcome Jennifer.
Speaker 1:Moths. Thank you, moths, and all you.
Speaker 2:We're happy to be here oh, so we have what like two weeks until christmas. Yes, is it? Well, by yes, yes, two weeks, yep oh my god, it will air on the 11th and then it's literally two weeks till Christmas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you excited, oh sorry.
Speaker 3:You excited, I'm tired and I know we say this every week and this is totally not like a martyr victim situation. It's just you know it's a tiring month. It's a tiring month, it's a tiring quarter, Becca. And I say this because, like birthdays, our daughter's birthday starts off in October, and it's Thanksgiving and then Christmas. So Q4 is just like I don't know if I'm coming or if I'm going. That's just the nature of it. Every year, every year.
Speaker 2:I'll say this I got a little bit more swing in me lately. I don't mean swing in my step, I just mean sometimes I'm like, nah, I don't mean swinging my step, I just mean like sometimes I'm like I'm going to let it go. I don't feel that so much energy in December. I'm like if you're coming for me I'm swinging. I don't know what it is like lately. Do you feel this a little bit? I just like the docile October, beginning of November person that was like thankful, grateful, blessed is a little bit more like sir. I don't think so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm definitely I'm stepping into my and again I'm going to attribute a lot of it to what we've learned on the podcast the past year with all these amazing guests and then like being surrounded by, like, I got a little bit more like swing on them. Yeah, I'm more like well, actually, no, that's not going to work for me, which is so hard for me as Enneagram too. Like I don't do that, I don't do boundaries, I don't say no.
Speaker 3:But now I'm like yeah, no, that's not really going to work for me and that actually did hurt my feelings, which is so out of character for me. So I'm kind of appreciating that I'm falling into my little more. I call it my verbal era.
Speaker 1:You're growing, jenny. You know, the closer you get to, the older we get, the less we tolerate, right.
Speaker 3:I'm just like.
Speaker 1:I don't like that?
Speaker 3:I don't like that. You may think I like it, but I don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to use your voice.
Speaker 3:You got to do it all the time.
Speaker 1:It'll make your life so much better, so much more peaceful. Just go ahead and say it. Rip the mandate off, say it.
Speaker 3:Great word, because you know what Peaceful is, how I'm feeling. I'm feeling pretty darn peaceful, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we talked about this right before which is all the expectations and all the things that we're required to do and all the keeping up with the Joneses and what's this doing and that doing and what's the influences. All the things make you feel like you have to do and decorate all the things. So how's that going for everybody?
Speaker 2:Well, so, I see yours in the background. This is one of many. This is their only. One is from my previous life. The pink one is very new and very on brand Michaels. It gives me vibes.
Speaker 2:I have a major tree over here. The village is out. It's very, very cozy in here. Somebody came in the other day Actually my mom was here, for she came into town and then we went to Florida and she was like it's very romantic in here and I was like all right, that's kind of my vibe right now. I mean I'm very much like romancing myself kind of my vibe right now. I mean I'm very much like romancing myself, but the effort is like so much. I will say this though I love like being all cozy. So I very much am a minimalist and like a bleach queen and all the things. So this is like my one indulgence of like really cozy. Like tighter spaces. Crafts are out more there. There's more snacky stuff, there's a hot cocoa bar, eminem's thing has been changed in the gumball machine. I let a lot of other things go that I wouldn't normally, but by December 27th it will be barren here. I will be back to my neurotic neuroses, indulgent other self.
Speaker 3:I love the end result. I hate the process of it. That's, that's what. I that's how I feel about Christmas like I would have paid somebody to come decorate my trees. I did try to pay her. I truly did like I hate doing it, but now that I have everything up, I'm like it's just so peaceful and like.
Speaker 2:I love the lights. I like. I think my overstimulations person is like please never turn on an overhead light, ever, ever, ever again. So this is like very this feels very good for me.
Speaker 3:But Like my husband came in yesterday from work and he was like I had a Christmas candle go in. I had things picked up trees on. He was like it's just so Christmassy in here and I'm like that's the best compliment ever. Thank you, that's something, ain't that something? Ain't that something? So I love the end result. I hate the process of it. I will say that.
Speaker 1:I like decorating. Usually I don't like of it. I will say that I like decorating usually. I don't like taking it all down because it's all the final part of Christmas and it's like the day after the Olympics for the athletes, which I wouldn't know that about.
Speaker 1:But it's not the day after the Olympics, also because I live for the Olympics, so when it's over I'm like oh man, it's just sad, yeah, so I like putting it out, I like doing the whole baking the cookies and all the things, and I've done it for years and my parents are very traditional and we've done all of that. And then but you know, I know, spoke of my age because it's relevant, but being 56 years old and in the space that I'm in right now, I'm like Jenny, I'm tired. I'm tired. I've done a lot. I've gotten my boy, my son, moved in in Mount Pleasant and we have been, let's see, just in the last nine days we were in six different beds, oh my gosh. And then we are.
Speaker 1:We donated our beds are separate from these other beds donated our beds in our bedroom and our spare bedrooms to get king beds, and so we donated those, and so then we put together the king beds ourselves. We were also the poor man's moving company with U-Haul. We did that with my son and we're tired, we're tired, so there will not be anything put up in the house. I'm going to put lights out front. I'm going to do a few things, but I think that's what we had talked about. Was you know? You talked about changing your mind and that you know what this isn't going to work for me this year, or I'm not going to take this this year. I'm not going to tolerate that anymore. I think we just this is a season of doing as little as possible and then next year pulling it all out again for me Well and I think that's something that we often do is that people do it for other people.
Speaker 3:Like when I put up my Christmas stuff, I genuinely do it for me and for, like, my daughter, like she loves it. I mean she counts down the days and the seconds until we can get a Christmas tree and get the light, so I don't mind doing it. Again, I prefer the end result versus the actual process of it, because you know how it is as a mom. It's like everybody's so excited about the tree and the stuff and then it's like you get everything out and then everybody's like, all right, bye, I'm gonna go do something else. And then you're just like, well, shit, now I gotta do it it's like exercise.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't want to do it, but I like the end result exactly, exactly so, but you so.
Speaker 3:But you know, I'm, as I'm, surrounded by beautiful lights and all the things, I'm glad I did it.
Speaker 1:Well, kids, kids, there's a whole different story. And you didn't, we didn't miss a day. I mean, I haven't missed a day in 55 years. This is the first time. And it's not nothing, it's just minimal, because that's what I'm feeling and it's okay to be that way sometimes.
Speaker 2:I agree. So this is an interesting like I'm in like the weirdly opposite situation. This is my first true Christmas divorce. You know, like I, we were in our house last year, our kids didn't know, our friends didn't know, the house was for sale and people didn't know. But every single year and this is not a job to this person that it was just so much narration and heavy size and a lack of helpfulness and like, oh, it just gets earlier and earlier and like it just was like the least supported, one of the least supported seasons for me. So I was like really up against the bear the whole time and even though it wasn't like he was like taking it down when I was putting it up, it was just constantly in my face this like really negative narrated energy about this season that I love. So like that's one of the reasons I replaced the tree.
Speaker 2:I was like I don't want, like I don't want any of that juju up in my space, but like putting it up without having it be like is this going to be all day? Oh, another trip to Hobby Lobby. Oh, you don't have enough lights. It looks good enough, like that kind of stuff. And I'm just like, oh my gosh, this is so much easier and more peaceful. And it got to the point where I was trying to do it when nobody was home because, like and I still ended up doing it by myself, really because it surprised the girls with it and it just is easier in some ways. But, like, I would like wait and the minute everyone went to work, you know you'd go to work. I would be like start this process and like I would have this constant looming timeline. I couldn't leave it half done, had to finish it, like it had to be amazing, like it. Just I'm like, oh my gosh, not dealing with that is like, so like there it can be everywhere.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. It's your space and your energy now, so you don't have to have anybody.
Speaker 2:Always was my energy. I'm like I don't even know how you got this far, Like I, literally my mom had a business that was called Christmas spirit.
Speaker 1:Well, you're starting fresh with new and you get to make new memories, and none of that stuff needs to be attached to your old life, except when you decide that is I mean, like you came to my childhood house where christmas is everywhere have all the year.
Speaker 2:I mean there's a genuine 20 christmas everywhere all year in my mom's house what wow?
Speaker 2:like it's just who we are. It's like how we grew up, is I'm well, this is like very different not to have this. Like I almost still had some of it, but I had to convince myself. Like I've been leaving homework on all day. No one is like God. This is annoying. This isn't real. Like you know, I'm like actually there are people who like really, really love their spouse. Yeah, it's out there, right. It's like totally okay, Like it's actually allowed, You're allowed to be like deeply in love with somebody. It's complete, and they don't have to be perfect too. This is really cool. You won't believe this.
Speaker 1:Right, and you get to love Christmas and all the hot chocolate and all the fun things with it too, without it being such drudgery, exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, asking to go and see the lights, I would like get anxiety about like asking to go to the Island to see the lights. I'm like that's like.
Speaker 3:My favorite thing to do is ride around and look at Christmas.
Speaker 1:That's the best tradition ever to take kids on. Oh my gosh, my boys loved it.
Speaker 2:It's like literally a whole park where you can go and get out and it's like so much fun it is there's Santa there and all the crafts Going circles for three hours. You don't have to get out of the line. You can keep going or you can just veer right eventually. It's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. You're going to make amazing new memories and everything that's attached to the new stuff and the way you see it's going to feel so different forever. Now that's exciting. You just have a whole renewed sense of everything.
Speaker 3:Well, I think to some of our listeners are in the same stage as Rebecca, so I'm sure it can be a I don't want to use the word sad, but you know it can be a trying time of year as people go through that transition. Do you have any the?
Speaker 2:boundaries thing and I was like wait a minute, like how did I let this go as far as it did? And then like it could be any boundary. It could be your mom coming to your house, it could be. I mean this very much is this season where people feel the need to like touch the bear.
Speaker 3:Yes, why so, jennifer? What do we do with those people?
Speaker 2:First of all, does it even matter why? You know, like I have this is a conversation with my mom a lot. She like loves to understand where people are coming from. I have this too. But I have very much gotten to the point, especially with this person, where I'm like it doesn't matter, like it me spending time trying to understand the why doesn't do them or me any service. It just is so like we're in the is part right, where I'm just like that just is the way it is for that person. I don't need to spend any more energy understanding why. So I've gotten there.
Speaker 1:I don't know what, the Candyland version to jump three spots from that is, but like that's the way of saying meeting them where they are, Okay, you meet people where they are. So if you know somebody is triggering, you know they're going to poke and realize too that all of us, even the dysfunctional people, because we're so functional- I trigger people all the time.
Speaker 2:My handwriting triggers Jenny.
Speaker 1:We're all teetering, you know, because our energies and our vibrations are really high during this season, because there's so much expected from all of us, especially moms, to pull it all together and have everything done. So we're all, just, you know, all vibrating like, and so all it takes is another person that's, you know, doing the same thing to come and, you know, poke the bear and everything is. What's the word? Exaggerated or exacerbated during this season.
Speaker 2:Everything feels very like good, feels so good, but the bad is like really during Christmas.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Very exaggerated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and as you get older, there's going to be more and more people in your life, because that's just how it works, and you have to meet them where they are, whether it's family members, neighbors, church people, any, any group of any kind. You have to meet them where they are because they're all teetering just like we are, and you know some, like you say, are having a really hard time. Some are really really happy. Some are, you know, just getting through it, like I am, with a positive feeling. But I am literally just getting through this season.
Speaker 1:Um, uh, I'm also not buying, um, a bunch of gifts this year, not getting things. So you're either getting a gift card it was, everybody needs money, we're all poor, so you need a gift card or, um, an experience, or they're getting money one way, something like that. So that's how that's going. So my in-laws and my, my parents are going to get like a Ben breakfast night somewhere, yeah, instead of things. I mean, my parents are 80 years old. What thing can I buy them? Right? Yeah, they're stressful, time together, time together. So my kids, my sons, need money. They're ones getting ready to have a baby, one just moved into a new home. They need money. Okay, easy done. You know, my husband and I've invested in one another in trying to get healthier and stronger and, you know, working with trainers. So that's, that's how we're doing it. Christmas can look different for all of us and depend on what state, what year it is and what stage of life and how old your kids are. And you know, and all of us are in different stages.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I go back to the meat, where they are.
Speaker 3:I'm really big on like people bring energy right. We're vibration. So, like I am someone who is a bit of a sponge. So, like I tend to be very and I don't even want to use the word triggered, but very susceptible to absorbing other people's energy, like I am. You know, you meet them where they are, but how do you not let it affect your peace and your joy, specifically around this time of year when you have people in your house family coming for a few days? Like how do you not let it?
Speaker 2:be family, it could be ex-husbands, like we're all like, yeah, we're not letting it get to you.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, once you truly understand the behavior of people which is what I do for a living once you truly can wrap in. That's not an easy thing to do, but once you can truly wrap your head around why people act the way they do, then you can walk around with your bulletproof vest, Because people bring their experience, their life, their feelings, their beliefs, their thoughts all of it and they dump it on you in projection and other ways, and you have to recognize that that's their stuff. It's their stuff and they're bringing it on you and projecting onto you, but it has nothing to do with you. So you put on your imaginary bulletproof vest, your Kevlar vest, and you walk around and you have that visual of I'm just not going to let them bother me because it's theirs, it's not mine. You do not have to take it, you don't have to carry it, you don't have to walk around with it, you don't have to absorb it.
Speaker 1:But if you're an empath or a very empathetic person, then you can. You tend to do that, and it's also how you were raised, and how you were raised is dependent upon how you receive people as well. And then, as you get older, you'll start to change and realize you have choices and that you don't have to be that same person all the time, which is what you're talking about earlier and doing. You're like, yeah, not going to do that this year. With you Not going to take that, you will get to a point where you'll start creating boundaries, but you have to have a bulletproof, an invisible, bulletproof vest, because people are going to come and try to steal your joy or aggravate you, but it's them bringing their own crap into it. They're just projecting onto you and if you can truly understand that, then you're in.
Speaker 1:You're untouchable with other people. You know, I don't get offended or bothered. I can be hurt. If you're very close to me, you can hurt me and then I'll tend to get mad. That's my defense mechanism. I'm human, but, um, you know, I don't know. God, where was I just saying? I just lost my train of thought that you don't get offended, damn it.
Speaker 2:That you don't get offended.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's something for that.
Speaker 3:You get mad, you can get hurt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I've worked so much on myself and so much therapy that you really can't offend me or bother me, really, because I'm just going to giggle inside and know that you've got a problem. Not that I'm perfect, but you can tell people that are bringing things to you that are that that is literally theirs and you know what you're accountable for. You know that, we know that in our heart and soul, but people, when they bring stuff and they put it on, you just give it back to them.
Speaker 2:So do you. I like to come like with a few phrases that I have just like not perfected, but I don't know if you have like good phrases we can use. Like there are times where I learned to just say things like you know what, like you know how. One thing I've noticed is that people who know that they're triggering you get really demanding about getting answers, and so I like to hit pause on that game because I'm like if you're pressuring me to give you a really quick answer, it's probably because you want me not to think about what you said, or you are trying to push me into a mental frame that I'm not comfortable with quickly. So now I'm just like you know what. I need a few minutes to think about what you meant when you asked that question, or like what was your expectation for how I answered that, and like re-ask, because I'm just like if you, especially when people say something very rude, kind of on purpose, and look for that reaction, I'm like I'm going to take a minute to think about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of people are seeking validation. When they're pushing something on you or trying to get a reaction out of you, it's because they're looking for validation for whatever their truth is, they believe. So when they're coming at you and going, well, what do you think of this, or what are you doing, or why this, they're seeking something that's going to validate their belief system. So if you can understand that, then you can just say to them, just answer with oh, I understand what you're saying. I see, I understand, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:All right, Without saying that you agree. So you're really just saying like I just understand, I see, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I understand. Sure, yeah, you don't have to respond. You don't have to tell them what you believe or what you think or any of that, unless you want to. But when you know somebody is deliberately just coming at you to get a response, you know you don't have to it response.
Speaker 2:If you're not going to listen, like I'm just like I'm not going to try to convince you of something that you refuse to believe, if you tell me at the beginning of the conversation that you already refuse to believe it and how, whatever behavior or manner that I'm like okay.
Speaker 1:And if they're trying to hurt you or if they're saying something that's really really rude, you give it back to them, just like I was saying before. So if they say something that's really rude and offensive, you can say, oh my goodness, and you don't have to be upset or cry or any of that, or get hurt or mad. You can go oh my goodness, did you mean to hurt me with that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great one Did you mean to hurt me with that?
Speaker 1:Oh, I know you didn't. Oh my gosh, do you know that that hurt? Oh my goodness, did you mean to do that? Yeah, you know, and that's in a, that's in a perfect situation. We don't always react that way.
Speaker 2:I haven't always reacted that way but if you know the person is capable of this, be ready. Well, that's the thing I like to pre-think of, like when I'm walking into a situation where I'm like you know, I saw this thing the other day. That was like, if you spend a lot of time like mentally arguing with your spouse or mentally arguing with your you know mother-in-law or whoever it is, sometimes you build the argument up to be bigger or longer than it really was. But, like, I also do like to be prepared. I don't like to come into something so like if we end up enjoying the whole time, whatever, it is great. But if I know that you have a habit of triggering me, I like to have a few ways that I'm already prepared to respond so that I don't feel like I just got my feet swept out from under me because I don't like that feeling.
Speaker 1:And we're responsible for those triggers too. So if the person's triggering you, kind of look inside of why it is with you. Why is that triggering me? Why is there something attached to that? Is this a habit? Is there something insecure within me? So when you're triggered by something, look within yourself to see what it is. If you can't figure it out, then all you can do is just nod and go. I understand, or you can walk away, or whatever it is you need to do. But people that are deliberately aggravating you don't deserve your time or energy anyway. Yeah, they don't, and that's I'm being nice when I'm saying this way. It's not. Sometimes I just walk away, I just look at them and go yeah, well, family I'm up front with family.
Speaker 2:I just say it. I'm like we're right here in front of our kids. Let's not do this thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, family's difficult. And it's hard because it's supposed to be a happy, fun holiday and then they come in and throw a wrench in it, or people can come in.
Speaker 2:And truly we're opening the door because we actually see these things all the time, even online, Like we're not. It's not just about my ex-husband or just about family. This is like something that all of us like almost universally, I think, face in some capacity, especially during the holiday season, especially coming out of even things like the most recent election. Going into the new year, we had somebody reach out to us about a dietary comment somebody made about one of their children. We're all in these weird contexts, right, Like big meals, big gift giving, whatever it is that naturally just sort of puts you in a place where you're talking about money or weight or relationships or fairness, whatever that looks like, and it automatically makes people take sides in some ways. It's tough. We know this is universal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. Well, every single one of us brings our own experience and what we've been through to the table. You, you can equate it to people that have just met or just dating. There's so much there that they are not thinking about when they meet as to why they may get along or not get along. You have to understand that everything you're bringing to that date is only what you know and what you've been through, and only what he or she knows and what they've been through. And these young people, and even older people too, that are getting back into that scene have to be patient with one another, because you only know what you know. You only have experienced what you experienced.
Speaker 1:So and I can even give my son and his wife an example His life was totally different. His upbringing was totally different than hers not right or wrong or any of that, just totally different. And when they came together, it caused, you know, just major issues at the beginning. But once they started to unwrap and remove the layers, they realized that the very things that they believe in, the very important core things, they both agreed on. But it's, you know, every time you meet somebody, or even family members, we're all different and we're all bringing something different to the table and everybody thinks they're right or that their way was the right way and the true way. And that's not always the case, it's just different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a weird question and I don't know if I'm going to articulate it well, but I keep thinking about this. I've been thinking about it for a while in my like mental frame because, of course, we're always like, okay, you need to protect your energy and you're not responsible for this other person's feelings Right, feelings right. But then also in my next serious relationship, I do really want somebody who I'm not saying is responsible for my feelings, but cares a lot about how they impact them, and sometimes those two thoughts feel in conflict. Do you know what I mean? Because we're saying like you're not responsible for their feelings, you don't need to carry that, but I do actually kind of want somebody to carry that for me a little bit. Is that inappropriate?
Speaker 1:No, but the issue is your feelings are your feelings, but if they are causing you to feel a certain way, that is when there's the. That's where the line where right, right, just because you walk into something feeling a certain way, he's not responsible for that, which I totally get. But if he says some stupid shit to you or says something dumb, um, or and and doesn't understand where you've been or your experience go around triggering people and just be like that's your responsibility.
Speaker 1:Right. I mean, if you care about somebody, then you're going to um, you know you're going to have to listen, so but you also have to articulate it.
Speaker 3:So I am very, extremely sensitive to yelling like, extremely sensitive. So like my husband can stub his toe and I'm not even exaggerating, and he'll scream and I'll burst into tears Like.
Speaker 2:I actually. I also share this. I will tell you that I don't always burst into tears, but I find raised voices, even when it's in joy, extremely stressful. Yeah, I can't it, just it.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you I had to stop watching Marikovic, who is the father, because they were yelling so much. That's one of the reasons I had to start watching Real Housewives, because the yelling I'm like I can't do it, it makes me shut down. But I had to tell my husband that I'm like you can't yell like that because it makes me cry and I'm really sensitive to it. Yeah, I mean, otherwise he would have. I mean who? Who does yelling causes?
Speaker 1:anxiety. Yeah, yeah, it just causes anxiety and you know, and the person that's yelling is anxiety ridden and the, the people that are having to hear it, um, they, you know it just, it's just, uh, it's then there's nothing good about it at all and you know not that you can't do it, because that's a part of God, that you know. He made us that way and he made us get mad and just like he made us get happy and, um, you know that's a part of being a human being. But, um, yelling is anytime that television show where somebody's arguing. I start shrinking on the couch because it's just uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:It gives me like cringy, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm not a fan, not a fan of the yelling, but then I do do it sometimes, but that's because you're human.
Speaker 2:I feel so shitty about it. I do it too, but I'm like, even like in the morning, when one of my daughters likes to like just randomly, just like hum nonsense words like really loud, and I'm just like, oh my God, you are stressing me out. I said it this morning. I was like I need you to know that you, this is very stressful for me. I am like a quiet morning person, so if we could talk about Christmas or school, but like just you yelling candy cane, candy cane, candy cane is really like.
Speaker 2:Let me guess what child it was, and I'm just like I need you to know something, and this is a me problem. Problem, but that is actually very stressful. I feel bad, though, but I'm like, okay, I can only do so much of that, and then I start to like snap oh yeah, it gets under your skin anytime somebody starts screaming and carrying on, it gets, it gets.
Speaker 1:Especially they live in the house with you.
Speaker 2:We're calling it the P Palace right now. Don't anyone panic, but it's actually getting so much better because we were potty training. Benny got on today. She's like how's the P Palace? It's great.
Speaker 3:Let's switch gears, let's go to New Year's. As we are gearing up for New Year's. We were talking before we hit record that we all hate the word resolution. Yeah, because the world ruined the word. Yeah, it's just like all I think in my head when I hear that is like diets and it lasts three weeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I can't remember if we talked about this on the podcast last time or not. It's going to die in three weeks. Yeah, and I can't remember if we talked about this on the podcast last time or not but it's going to die in three weeks and there's reasons why there are reasons why, yeah, and resolutions are fine.
Speaker 1:It's great to turn over a new leaf in a new year. It's great, it's wonderful If you can get the proper mindset. A new year is a beautiful thing. It always can be, but it is. It can be just another day on the calendar for another person. So it just depends on your mindset and where you are and like what you've been through, rebecca, it's just, you see, christmas totally different than you saw at the last, however many years. It's just different. My Christmas is different this year than it's ever been. It's great, it's fine, but it's different.
Speaker 1:But the resolutions to me, have a beginning and a middle and an end and really, like we were talking about, we just want to grow and keep growing and you don't have to start on January 1st. You can start this minute right here during this podcast. You do not have to start on a certain day or a Monday or a new year and nobody dictates that. Nobody dictates your growth because if you um your brain and I think we mentioned a little bit of this your brain will push you back to what the old behavior was. So when people do the diets, the no smoking not that you can't succeed you. But this is what happens when you start something. Within two to three weeks, it's like your mind and your body is on autopilot, wants to go back to what it knew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is not that you don't have the willpower that there's something wrong with you.
Speaker 1:It is that your brain, which is the most powerful thing, that it guides everything, if it only knows what it's done before. So it's trying to protect you and if you can appreciate that that's what the brain's doing and embrace it, then you can get through that hurdle or that barrier that you bump up against in about two or three weeks. Some people it could be a couple months and some people could be a week. But you run into it with any kind of dietary changes trying to quit smoking, quit drinking, be a better person, be more patient, anger management it could be anything less of anything that you know isn't serving you. When you try to change it and that's what you've always been doing the brain is only trying to push you back. It's saying I don't know this path, I don't understand this path, I don't know what's on the other side of that. So I'm going to push you back to what I'm familiar with, and if you can truly understand that you can overcome anything in your life, anything, and it has nothing to do with a resolution.
Speaker 2:So how do you push back on your brain deciding that obviously like the, the more the behavior that they know is the behavior that they like?
Speaker 1:It's going to sound like you're a crazy person, but you have to be your greatest advocate. You literally have to talk to yourself. So you will have a moment where, all of a sudden, you'll want to do smoke the cigarette, take the drink, whatever it is you're trying to work on. For me, because I had a past eating disorder, it was always working on that kind of thing. So when the brain starts you get scared is what happens? You start to go. Wait a minute, I was fine, I was doing great. Why do I all of a sudden out, didn't know where I'm going to be the dishwasher. Do I want to go? Do this behavior that I have not been doing for the last three weeks? And you have to understand that the brain is saying okay, I've done all I can do. I want to take you back to safety. I want to take you back to what I know. If you can understand that and most people don't and I didn't for years if you understand that that's what it's doing, then you can talk to yourself and go.
Speaker 1:Jennifer, this is the terror barrier that you're bouncing up against. This is the barrier that every single person that decides to do better in their life and make their life better and make a change is going to bump up against. Every single person does. And when you get to that barrier, recognize it for what it is. Be glad you got there because you've pushed yourself to that point. Understand that, hey, this is my brain. It just wants me to go back to what it knows. But I'm going to show it a different path. I'm going to show it a different way, and it takes courage and strength and persistence and confidence and all the things to go ahead and push forward. But on the other side of that wall is freedom and confidence like you've never seen, and it's because you've carved a new path for yourself and it's a new way to go and you are not familiar with it. So you have to continue to believe in yourself to get through it. You can't go back to the old ways because the old ways and the old habits are comfortable right. So when you jump over which is hard to do you see people fail all the time. I failed miserably for many, many, many, many years.
Speaker 1:When you jump over and you don't have the scripted path like the old one, you have to push forward. When you push forward, you have to believe in yourself, and that is the key to everything is believing in who you are and believe that you have to believe in yourself. And that is the key to everything is believing in who you are and believe that you have the strength to want better for yourself, because you deserve better and you're worth the best. And it's that it all comes down to believing in yourself and your self-worth. And what do I deserve? What is my life worth?
Speaker 1:This is not a dress rehearsal. What am I going to do with the rest of my life to make it the best I can? Am I going to go back to my old ways that my brain only knows? Am I going to, you know, carve a new path? And so you have to talk to yourself. I mean out loud and look nuts, but that's what you do and nobody else is going to do it for you. I mean you can have a coach like me. I can help people understand that, but I'm not going to be there on that random Tuesday when you're unloading the dishwasher. So you have to do it for yourself. You have to be strong and know that you deserve the best. And once you jump over that hurdle, you can become unstoppable.
Speaker 3:Mic drop.
Speaker 2:One thing I had to keep saying to myself, even last year, was like or when I was making this big decision was like do you really want to do this for 40 more years? Do you want to do it for four? Do you want to do it for one, if you don't want to do it for four or 40. And I was like, and I every time I got to that place I was like I don't have 40 more years of this in me and so like, why am I going to do one more? Like, why am I going to do one more month or one more year or whatever it is one more anniversary? I don't want to do it 40 more times. I just feel like we always talk about.
Speaker 3:Life is, time is currency. You know it is, it truly is, and you get one shot, so like, why be miserable?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could be anything. I do think the things, though, that like the eating thing, because that is kind of like family, like food is always around when you recover from an eating disorder. Unfortunately, you are literally faced with the thing every day, which is very hard. Um, but family in some ways is kind of the same, including spouses, current or previous. Like this isn't like your high school boyfriend.
Speaker 3:Like, like you're in it for the long call.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd be like, well, until they're 18. I'm like, really, cause they're going to get married, they're going to have kids, then you're going to have grandkids, so it's like right, it's not going to get less. So like that mentality of like, just get to 18. Isn't like a real push? That's kind of like just get to March or just get to Cancun and then we'll deal with the next swimsuit problem.
Speaker 1:After that, you know, it gets as false, like you have to literally like, like, change the behavior, change the mindset and like, decide what you will allow. And chances are in that time, if most people can get out there and and and be courageous and um and brave, they will meet another individual and you will shift again in the thinking that you think about the ex and having to see the ex and all of that. So when you can heal and move on with your life, whatever that looks like, it could be no other person or it could be just, you know, a career or a hobby, it didn't matter. Whatever it is that that fills your cup and fills that hole of of the person being gone. And even if there need to be gone, there's still a hole, there's still a void. That you're you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, and I I would say like we actually do a very good job. Like if you were you know we were at a friend's party for all 4th of July, like for our friends and our kids. It's very peaceful. I think we still have like little backpacks of like stuff that we're like but like for the exterior and for everyone else's sanity and for the day to day it's actually you would be shocked to like I'm proud of how mature it looks and feels right now. But there still is the everyday, like you know, communication that you have to do. That's still the same A lot of times. It's family. That's just like can be exhausting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't. They just don't go anywhere. So your main, your mind will, will reframe them over time.
Speaker 1:It's like I was saying before, as when you, your life isn't going to stay the same either, just like theirs isn't. So you will continue to grow and learn and meet new people and have new experience, and it will kind of it shapes the thoughts that are around the hard times they start. You compartmentalize it differently as you grow and move on, and right now it's still kind of fresh. But, yeah, every time you move forward, the bad things have less power in your mind, even if they're in your house, you will see them and feel them differently. Yeah, time helps with that too, let alone healing and moving forward and knowing you've done the right thing in your life for yourself.
Speaker 2:People are listening and they're interested in, like tackling those mindset shifts. Like what if you were to give them a non-weight based like resolution or like a few cause? I feel like sometimes people can't. They want to change and they want to grow, but they don't even have necessarily the capacity or the resources or the knowledge that you have to even decide, like, where to start or what the goal should be. You know, like it's, it feels that abstract, I think, to a lot of people. Um, like what would if you were to make like a general resolution or a general growth tip or something that you would focus on for year, year or a growth thing that really changed for you? Like what would you give them as far as ideas?
Speaker 1:that's very loaded, but it's very loaded and it's it's different for a lot of people, except for one thing there is nothing you can't honestly, unless you're a fish trying to climb a tree, but there's nothing you can't do if you truly believe in yourself. So, even if you don't get to the exact goal or the thing, you're going to get there faster than if you didn't. And this world wants you to not believe in yourself. It wants you to stay stuck. So we are provided the wants you to stay stuck. So it you know, we are provided the comforts to stay stuck. So, if you can and you may have to look into, you know, um, some type of therapy or coaching or you know, or invest in a good book or whatever it is to to understand a lot of things, because it is so hard to get out of your own head. Understand a lot of things because it is so hard to get out of your own head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it took me years to get out of my head. I'm I was 40, in my forties before I started to understand these things, and that's why I love what I do, because I want to get these people as early as I can, kids as early as I can, to know that they have the power to not take on and bring every single thing they've learned and been through. They can dump all of it and pave a new path. They can believe every single thing they want to believe in themselves, no matter what somebody else has told them or made them believe. They can get on a different track because that track is what's how they're going to live their life.
Speaker 1:I believed I was a chubby little girl, so therefore I fought obesity my whole life. Because I believe that I was a chubby little girl, so therefore I fought obesity my whole life because I believe that I was a chubby little girl. If you believe you're not smart, if you believe you're not athletic, if you believe you're uncoordinated, if you believe you're not enough, you'll get on a track and you will live your entire life that way and you don't deserve it. Nobody deserves it, because it's a lie. It was a lie about me and it's a lie about most of us, and we adopted in childhood. Yeah, and I call it getting on the wrong track in life. So it is hard to get out of your own head. It is hard to even work with clients to help them get out of their own head. It's so ingrained.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure it's even hard to see.
Speaker 2:You know, like for me, one of the hardest like I'm I am no way I'm like whatever, but I can still see behaviors that I have gotten rid of in friends or family, and so that's even hard to watch.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine doing your job and being like this is right there, I can see it and it's very true, even if you're trying to, even for you, right, if I'm your friend and I'm trying to convince you that you're not a chubby little girl yeah, I can see very clearly that you're not. But if that's part of you, it's really hard to release that belief. So I, I mean, I can't imagine sitting in your shoes and literally seeing it so clearly and then having somebody struggle as hard as we struggle against these. You had this term for like a wall or a terror, terror barrier, terror barrier, and so like yeah, I'm sure that's like hard to watch. Was there any like if you were going to give people a book or like a way that they could start that like discovery process or even like thought process about, like really believing in themselves?
Speaker 1:You have to go back. It's old school, so you would need to get a journal and you need to start writing down what you're grateful for Okay, what's going right in your life, because you tend we tend to focus on what's not going right. Who's not in our life? So you focus on what is going well, what you're grateful for. Those things get you in a proper mindset. It is so old school how to start getting in touch with yourself, because that's what you're having to do. People don't know, because they're not in touch with their gut and they're not in touch with themselves and they've been jerked around by the nose by the noise of the outside right. So you get a journal and you write down what you are grateful for, thankful for what is going right. Give yourself credit for things, because we tend to only focus on what we've done wrong instead of all the things we've done right, which always trump the wrong things. So you start there, because it's the mindset to focus on the good, not what you don't have.
Speaker 1:The second thing that I would have you do is write down things that you desire, truly desire. I don't think people sit down and really think about what they want. They are puppets on a string. We just barrel through the next day. How am I going to get through this next day? How am I going to do this? What 80 things are on my list? We do not slow down enough to understand and to pay attention to what is truly what brings us joy. What do we need so right now? And one of mine was to see the clear blue water. And because I don't do a lot of traveling or any of that, and I raised my boys and we were always home and we're finally able to do these things but I wanted to see like that real water where you, you could see the bottom. You know, you can see your feet, so no shark could get me. You know, I was like there's no things in the water. I could see it and it, it, I wrote it down and it's happened, and now it's happened to multiple times. So it was something that I really wanted and desired. So that was just an example. But if it's to be a lean, green, strong machine, I don't.
Speaker 1:Whatever it is that you want that you really desire a wonderful man, a wonderful woman, um, a beautiful home, a great job, a job that does this. You write it down, but you don't just say I want a house. You write down what you want it to look like and you get emotionally involved with the thought, emotionally involved with the feeling and the desire in detail. You want a man, what kind of man you want? Write it down. I want him to be this. It doesn't matter, nobody's looking and it's no judgment. It is your desire, your belief, your experience, what you want.
Speaker 1:That may not be what shows up, because sometimes things show up coming in a back door that you never thought were even there. So who knows? But you're getting in a mindset of paying attention to yourself and what you desire, what you want, what's going right, because things are always going to go wrong, things are always going to sneak up and punch you in the gut. It's okay, you keep going, keep living. We just what we do. We're human beings.
Speaker 1:And then one of the things I would do too is there are people that take up space in our heads and our minds. Whether it's exes, neighbors, friends, family, I don't care who it is. It could be even the person on the way into work and the traffic that is going too slow. There are people that take up space in our minds that we need to let go. You know, if somebody's bothering you or aggravating you, how much space has that taken up in a day for you? If you think about it, you have to. You know somebody's bullying your kid, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Some things take up space that don't deserve to be there. So what I do with those is, if you have, if you're a faithful person, then I say God, please take care of this person, because I am tired of dealing with them. You know them better than I do. Please help them, because I'm done thinking about it, worrying about it, rolling around with it. I'm done. If you're not a faithful person, then I just send them love. You know, tell the universe to deal with it, but what you're trying to do every day and you do this every day is you're getting that toxic thoughts around an individual out of your head, because the less in your mind, the less that's there gives you the ability to have more free flowing thought. If you were caught up with, aggravated with other people, all the things that are going wrong, do you think there's room for you to have free thought?
Speaker 2:No, no, but we had a conversation the other day about a specific person that we mutually know. That is constantly like an energy drain because everything is like we could hear about the worst day ever. I'm like that was hardly the worst day, like I mean Jenny and I tend to like laugh, you know, send each other pictures of like the pea palace or whatever it is. It's going on when her dog shits all over the kitchen or something, and I'm just like I mean this is hardly the dramatic theatrical episode that you're acting like it is but the dramatic theatrical episode that you're acting like it is.
Speaker 1:But okay, yeah, people like that, even if things are going right in their life, they'll create something to go wrong. That's the brain going back to the drama world because they can't get out of it. It's like the people that are late all the time, or people that do a certain thing all the time. They do these things because that is what their brain knows. They're not trying to be a pain in the ass. They literally are doing the behavior they've always done. That's another thing you could change too. If you're one that's always late, you know you can change that, but it'll be so hard to fight, just like eating right, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 1:I know the brain's powerful guys, it's a journal.
Speaker 2:We don't need a book.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't read self-help books because it just makes me confused.
Speaker 2:I actually, so I tend to subscribe to that a little bit, for sure. I mean, I read, I just read. Really, I love it. I read slutty books. Yes, jenny is our self-help book. I'm our slutty book.
Speaker 1:I'm self-help and slutty, so yeah it confused me because once again the author is bringing their perspective to the book and you know you might even have psychologists and they may be bringing something, some type of protocol or whatever but it's still. It's still an experience based for the most part book, and there's some out there that are probably more on a professional. But you know I don't do that, I coach.
Speaker 3:So I read them with the mentality of this and this is my philosophy. I said it several times to my husband in the past few days I'm like opinions are like buttholes Everybody's got them. So that's kind of how I feel. When I read those books. It's like, yeah, that's you. Yeah, I might get a nugget or two, but I do like to read them.
Speaker 1:Well that's. It's like parenting books or parenting magazines or whatever. I didn't read those either, because one would say, take the past day away at nine months and one would say, let them have it until they're five. You know so, whatever. I just don't read a lot of that because I get confused and I just use my own common sense and do the best I can, and if the client doesn't like it, they can go find another coach. I don't, I don't worry.
Speaker 2:No, I was just curious, but I love the idea of it being a journal and like really getting um, like I was going to say self-centered, but then I was like in touch with yourself, yeah, but I'm like. Then also, when I was gonna say self-centered, I was like you know, that's not such a bad thing. I don't literally mean become like, but you're like allowed. I think we also need to give everyone permission to like, appreciate themselves and give themselves space. In some ways too. I'm like the fact that I cringe when I thought self-centered isn't probably the best thing either.
Speaker 3:Because it has a negative connotation.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because everybody's like, don't be self-centered, but it's like then we go so much the opposite way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that it's like You're crazy. I'm like am I crazy or am I lost? Like, and I'm just like you know, like it's okay to to prioritize your own self and your own needs. I do think back to the beginning as moms going into this season. If you didn't hear it at home, it's okay to have your own priorities and your own needs. This season it's going to be okay.
Speaker 3:I bought myself three presents yesterday. I'm thinking about a present for myself. I handed them to Nate. I was like hey, can you write these and give these to me? He was like sure, thank you. And Clark was like what is that for? I'm like mommy bought herself some Christmas presents. She's like oh, we can do that. Yeah, you're a mommy.
Speaker 1:Mommy, can I learned it? Mommy status.
Speaker 2:But you know what I might have a Christmas present? I have literally been researching the same thing over and over and by research.
Speaker 3:I mean, I actually just can't decide what color. Yeah, I ain't even mad about it.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure I'm getting it. I just get really hung up on the color situation, which is like, as a color person, I know better than this, but I am in just in the carousel every day of like I wonder what it would look like. I wonder what it would look like.
Speaker 1:It's not being self-centered, because the thing is that nobody's going to do it for us. Nobody's going to take care of us the way that we take care of ourselves. No one can do it. Nobody can convince us to do it. We have to want it, we have to believe that everything we need is already here, it's inside of us, it's there, and once you tap into that, you can become unstoppable. Yeah, no, I love that.
Speaker 3:I love it. Jennifer, thank you so much. I mean I feel locked and loaded, ready for the holiday and the new year.
Speaker 2:Like unstoppable makes me feel like that could potentially be a word for next year.
Speaker 3:Oh, my gosh I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a good one you know like our coast, our life, our co-life. Jenny and I pick words typically for our year Unstoppable. I love that. I know it's a really good word. We've been like waffling. Last year my word was more, Mine was safe, Yep.
Speaker 2:I've lived it this year, Yep, and I came out of a year previously where I was saying no to a lot of things. I really had like just start becoming building this wall so that I could figure out where I was inside of the wall or outside of the wall. And now I'm like more.
Speaker 1:Another thing that I was this year, and another really, really good word in um, it's a deep one is to be intentional.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, somebody's drilling under our house.
Speaker 1:If y'all hear that, I don't know what that was. They're putting a dehumidifier underneath. So that's what that noise is. But to be intentional to and that's what I'm doing this year, Everything I'm doing is with the purest of intentions. I'm giving everything I've got and then being intentional with those certain things. So being intentional is a strong one too. That's a good word, but unstoppable is just like fun.
Speaker 3:Yes, it gives me, like some major energy vibes it does yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, if we want to do this again even in the new year, I can come back with some. You know a few tips. You know a few things that you can do, like the journal that kind of gets your head ready and you understanding that you literally can do and be whatever it is you choose.
Speaker 3:Like I said, unless you're a fish, climb in a tree king well, and I feel like we have so many powerful women who outside of, like moms, also have careers, so maybe we can talk about some of that and relating the unstoppable to that aspect of things, cause we haven't really talked about that a whole lot.
Speaker 2:No, but there is that like balance Cause, like you know, there's that like boss babe mentality and you're like, okay. But then you're like, okay, there's also the burnout. So you're like how do you embrace unstoppable but not accidentally let everyone around you make it mean, do everything for them, right? Do you know what I mean? People love to take advantage of people who are go-getters, and then also women. I hate to say that, but like we're very much as like the homemakers and the moms. It's no one thinks twice about being like if you could just add this to your list and you're like, okay, well, my list is kind of crazy.
Speaker 3:It's like sure I'm right on top of that, rose yeah.
Speaker 2:I have a notepad at every single flat surface in my apartment because I'm like, okay, because my list is kind of crazy. And then I don't write something important on my planner and Jenny's like are you coming? I'm like, yes, I am, yes, I am coming. I'm like, yes, I am I love it.
Speaker 3:Yes, I am Well good. Well, this is amazing, so much.
Speaker 1:Merry Christmas and all the, all the things. Yeah, all the things to you too as well.
Speaker 3:I'm excited, we're all doing Christmas a different way. I love it, I know. I love it Each its own.
Speaker 2:What an interesting fun little like thank you for everything. Yes, jennifer, thank you, what an interesting fun little like thank you for everything.
Speaker 1:Yes, jennifer, thank you. Thank you guys. I've enjoyed it. I can't wait till next time. It's been fun, everybody have a Merry Christmas and everybody do it their way.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, you have permission. Jennifer Sisk said so and you can change your mind every year.
Speaker 3:I love it. Thanks so much, guys, and we will see you next week. Bye.