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Marketing & Mayhem
Food Cravings, Billboards & Manifesting Your Goals
We’re not thirsty - we’re hungry - and that came straight from your girl Jenny. Wrote that down. We start hungry. Jersey Mike’s hungry. Have you ever found yourself craving a sandwich just because you saw it on a billboard. We explore our quirky fascination with food advertisements and the surprising influence they have over our taste buds. From the giant arches of McDonald's to the rustic charm of Cracker Barrel, we are billboard sluts. The magic of the billboard is long term lore. Never overlook the impact of large scale impact in your marketing plan. Have y’all heard of this family photos/ Cracker Barrel trend —it's all about adding a little mischief to the mundane!
From chicken phillys, to the chicken tenders - corn bread, and grits … the beauty of the smash burger. We told you we are hungry, hold on people because tis the season. If you’re looking for permission to bring premade treats to your holiday gatherings - look no further. Not only does a potluck make us a little nervous … but there’s nothing quite like finding a hair in your mashed potatoes. Three cheers for the families that grab a few grocery goods and re plate like they spent a few hours working on it.
We spending a little time on personal milestones and the lessons learned from navigating the complexities of life - good manners at a potluck, and an honest discussion on personal growth, the art of being your own health advocate, and the power of manifesting dreams. We’re knee deep in considering our word for 2024 - and as a result - deep in reflection. We’re committing to journaling - to feeling big feelings - to manifesting and then, being open and faithful to whatever comes our way.
We’re not quite ready to leave “more” and “faith” behind - but in classic mayhem fashion, we’re excited for continued growth … but in the meantime there’s a new podcast queen - Kylie Kelcie arrives on Spotify and Apple with her new podcast “Not Gonna Lie” blowing top podcasters like Joe Rogans numbers away - man we love a girl who shows up in full authenticity. Heck yes. Team Kylie and Jason for the messy win.
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remember, you said we're, I said we're thirsty, and you said we're not thirsty, we're hungry it was one of my best quotes ever, wasn't it? No. And then you just said like, like, if you hear my stomach growling, I'm hungry I am hungry what are you hungry for? Honestly like a sandwich oh, like a, like a kind of a sandwich, like a sub or a sandwich like a sub, so I have never been to jersey mike's god, it's so good. Did you see the commercial the other day? Because it made me want one.
Speaker 1:No, but I went in there yesterday to get a gift certificate for somebody and I was like why does this smell so good in here?
Speaker 2:Why do you not get it? It's so good Because I'm really weird about meat, no same. But they slice it in front of you.
Speaker 1:But is it wet or dry?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know. I don't want to know, because if it ruins Jersey Mike's for me, what I don't like is like going into the places where it's like I'm. Sometimes I'll get a pub sub, but I don't. I can't get excited about the fact that it's like already.
Speaker 1:I like very dry sandwich meat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, this isn't. I have never had a sandwich there that I wasn't like excited to eat. They also have a Philly.
Speaker 1:That's what I think we were cooking yesterday and it smelled hella good. I think that's what I want for lunch. They have a chicken Philly too. They do it with chicken. I love a chicken Philly, it's actually my favorite.
Speaker 2:That would be the place to get a Philly here for me. Like I'm all about getting a Philly from there. I do sometimes get. I don't go all that often. There's one kind of by gymnastics, but like the I do. Like I saw I think it was a billboard actually the other day which I will say this because we're in marketing, I love a billboard.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you they work, because I went to McDonald's the other day. Because of that, mcdonald's $5 meal.
Speaker 2:I'll get slutty for a billboard.
Speaker 1:I'm coming. I'll get slutty for a billboard.
Speaker 2:I literally love a billboard.
Speaker 1:Especially if you've got a food pic on it. Hook line sinker.
Speaker 2:Done. You know who's I really love, Although sometimes I think that they took it too far the Lowe's Foods one. Sometimes they're really funny and sometimes I'm like I don't know if that worked. I don't know if I've ever seen one of their billboards. There's a Lowe's Food one. When you're driving down 17 towards the bridge there's one kind of by boone hall every once in a while. There was one for thanksgiving. It was too wordy okay, and then?
Speaker 2:you're coming over the wando bridge back into mount pleasant down clements ferry. Well, 41 technically, there's that billboard that changes by the wando river grill and that one sometimes has a lowest food one and it can be pretty funny, like they had a funny tailgate one the other day. Um, they get a little they. They're not cheeky like sexy, but they're funny, um, but some of them may get too wordy and you can't read them that fast but I don't do like that.
Speaker 1:I don't really do anything for me, because if I saw like a billboard I'd be like yeah, you know if it's for something. Now, if they're funny, I love. If they've got food on cracker barrel, I'm talking to you. I love your food pictures. Keep them coming.
Speaker 2:Have you seen this trend where people are taking their family photographs and they're making them black and white and putting them in like shitty frames and putting them up on the mantle at cracker Barrel?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:They'll go for like breakfast. I feel like we should do this, try to sneak over really casually and just like add it to the photographs that are like already up there.
Speaker 1:Do you love Cracker Barrel as much as I do?
Speaker 2:I have only been one time. You're shitting me. And I went. I actually went because somebody told me that the Christmas area in the store was beautiful, and so I actually specifically only went. I didn't even eat. I went to the Christmas park. Their grilled chicken tenders are so good See, that's a place where I would have definitely gotten grits. I got to go with somebody who knows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the grilled chicken. The hash brown casserole is fire.
Speaker 2:Like my friend, friend Tiffany. She worked for me forever at Michael Course. She was like my ride or die. She is a big Cracker Barrel girl. She's born and raised here, that cornbread buddy. They took our Cracker Barrel and made it into an emergency vet clinic. We got Mount Pleasant Cracker Barrel taken away.
Speaker 1:We used to live right by there. I frequented the Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 2:They took it away from us. They were like you guys don't deserve your Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 1:It's way too damn bougie over here.
Speaker 2:We are so stupid, we lost our Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 1:This is why a lot of people don't participate.
Speaker 2:I know we lost our cracker barrel. This is why I don't participate. I know we lost our burger king, our bk lounge. Do you love burger king? I used. I love a bk lounge. I love a charl broil I I love that. You said that. I love the like. What is this? What's a really flat burger? I can't think of this. Like, what is it called? Yes, I love that. Yeah, there's a restaurant flat burger. I can't think of this. What is it called Smashburger? Yes, I love that. There's a restaurant downtown that has amazing smashburgers. They're known for it.
Speaker 1:My husband makes a bangin' smashburger.
Speaker 2:I have not had one, but I love a smashburger.
Speaker 1:They're so good, all right. So now are we done? Talking about food? I mean no, because now we're hungry. I am hungry, I'm also thinking about what else I want to eat now.
Speaker 2:This is the time it is. That's what it is we record around lunchtime. I meant like the end of the year, but I like where you're going. I just meant like for me it's like so much sweet focused that I like I just love a savory. So a burger, a sandwich. Are you sweet over savory or savory over sweet? I'm savory all day Same.
Speaker 1:First of all, I would say that as my brand and I would say it as what I like to eat. Nate loves a sweet. Nate and Clark could live off of sweets, and I just don't. I mean, yeah, if it's there, I'll sneak a truffle maybe, but it's just not.
Speaker 2:When you go into the Whitman's sampler box, which one's your first one? Something with nuts.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Your girl loves a nut. I love this. I wasn't, I. Well, unfortunately, I'm team vanilla cream. So here we are gross. Are you joking? Oh, my god, we are such a good match because, like my mom is vanilla cream, pilot's vanilla cream, summit's vanilla cream. So like I will go in the box before I open it for them and take them both. I'm a jerk like one of the. It's like the one self-care thing. I was like y'all, I don't even eat sweets.
Speaker 1:I love the vanilla cream oh girl, give me a pecan, a walnut, a peanut. Give them all. I love all the nuts. Team vanilla cream, that is anything that I poke and something runs out of it, unless it's a.
Speaker 2:It's not runny, it's like not runny. It's almost like if it were frosting.
Speaker 1:No, you can keep your cream. I'm here for it.
Speaker 2:Vanilla Cream, all right, well, so, by the way, also the Whitman sampler boxes are buy one, get one free at Publix, and I don't know if you've, have you done this with Clark before? Gotten a like old school box of chocolate.
Speaker 1:Funny that your timing is like on point today. She just asked me about this yesterday.
Speaker 2:The girls. I started doing it in the last, let's say, 18 months and I've maybe only done it four times. They are unglued and I strongly recommend the Whitman's box. Okay, I like the directions are. So because it's on the top inside the box, is it public? She said, yep, bound with their logo right now, go in tomorrow. But like get two. And then just tuck one away, but like, because I think they're $11.99, so you get two boxes. Yeah, that's amazing. They get to follow the map. They really didn't even know this really existed, you know. So they like you turn it over. It's on the inside of the box and it's two levels of the same thing and they're even glued for it.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I love this and I'm like spit it out if you don't want it.
Speaker 2:I'm like this is the fun of it, like you don't have to eat it. Like you're going to try new things. It's like Try the orange cream, yes, but it's like so much more fun, yes. Like, do it, she will be unglued. I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1:She literally just asked me about it yesterday when we were at Belk Because they had like to a Whippen sampler. I was like I don't know if you'd like any of those.
Speaker 2:That's the fun of it. Right now, publix grab two. It's such a fun holiday thing.
Speaker 1:Speaking of roulette, we used to have that game that you would flick the thing, and it was the jelly beans being boozled.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm not doing that. It was bad Sour milk. I watched a television show host literally up truck into their garbage can under their thing they got one is like sour milk. Yeah, one is toothpaste. The toothpaste wasn't bad, no, but there's some really foul ones like old fish or something like.
Speaker 2:There's like dirty garbage and I like they're like I don't think, well, I don't think I can do it. And then they literally reached under and uptrucked on live TV. It was like one of the morning shows and I was like there's no way I think Nate had like rotten egg.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, it's something disgusting no. Oh gosh, so we are in our final days of 2024. Can you believe that, jinx, jinx, you owe me a Coke Zero?
Speaker 2:I said it first. Oh, I thought we said it the same time, yeah, but then I said Jinx first. Oh, is that the rule?
Speaker 1:I thought it is. I don't know You're the trivia master, I don't know. I said Jinx first.
Speaker 2:I don't know You're the trivia master, I don't know, I said Jinx first. I'm saved. I think you owe me a DC DC Light ice.
Speaker 1:Crispy, crispy.
Speaker 2:I've been getting mediums lately when I go have you. Yeah, I feel like they're more demure.
Speaker 1:Are you taking that demure energy into 2025?
Speaker 2:I mean, do you think that I'm taking it into 20?
Speaker 1:I don't think, I don't know if you have it. To be quite honest, I don't. That's why I just got like the less diet coke oh god, so fast, like we're, we're on season five of this podcast yeah, we're in episode two of yes yes, and I just yeah, it's just flowing by, it's flowing by.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I'm taking into the new year.
Speaker 1:I'm taking in some good vibes.
Speaker 2:baby have you seen this? We're taking good vibes. I just mean like I don't know, you know how you like leave some things and take some things.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I'm leaving anything I feel like I've had. This has probably been.
Speaker 2:But that's what I mean. You are leaving things then, because you have changed a lot of like. There's definitely things you're leaving.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:There's absolutely things that you like had last January that you don't have anymore. You are leaving them in this one. I just think I'm in a good place. Yeah, I think there's some things that you like. They're like, just like, kind of like back to Santa back to santa few packages fell out of the sleigh. I feel like there might be a couple things where you're like I needed that. I actually didn't. Actually I didn't. It's like just something a little small, like I don't know like, like.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's been rare like years where you're like that was a banging year and I feel like that was the. It was the. Actually, the last one I feel like was a banging year was 2013, the year I got married. That was such a funny.
Speaker 2:I was like okay, yes, I was like dang 2013.
Speaker 1:We're going way far back but I mean, that's what I'm saying, so like for me to say that it's been a banging year, like I've had a banging year, so like I love that I do too, and so I'm kind of like I just want to keep on, keeping on into 2025.
Speaker 2:I love that. Yeah, I'm a banging year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've had quite the year.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean In the best way possible. Truly, I know I don't know if I would use the word banging, but maybe actually, I don't know, it kind of depends. It depends on interpretation, well, um, but yeah, I mean I feel like I definitely went through it. For sure it was a big one. It was not as it was in comparison to the previous year, banging for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to ask you if it was easier, almost.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if it was easier, because the hard was different kinds of hard. Yeah, and to be honest, and you're the same, I really never look for easy Right. Easy is just like not in my vocabulary. It's not how I live, it's not how I I don't know, I probably could use a little bit more easy. You know, like I went to a party the other day and a very good friend of mine who does not cook which I love her for, and you know I'm like really weird about eating stuff. So I was like, what did you bring? Because we had to bring stuff.
Speaker 1:I told this story to my parents this morning about what happened to you there. Which part About the potato salad?
Speaker 2:Oh, that was a different party.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay but I did tell my parents that story this morning that was awful.
Speaker 2:I definitely was at a thanksgiving situation and there was hair all up in the mashed potatoes like not okay, I actually saw a hair before I grabbed my scoop so I scooped around that and there were two hairs in mine, so that's the whole thing, of hair.
Speaker 2:Um, sorry, I don't so, but she doesn't cook. Um, you actually know her. So I was like, what did you bring? And she was like hi, so apparently also publix has this and it's seasonal only and it's a limited thing. It's chili cheesesteak dip. It's in with the other dips, like the buffalo chicken. Yeah, so she took two containers, dumped them into her pyrex dish, heated it up in the oven and brought a bag of scoops dip. It's in with the other dips, like the Buffalo chicken. Yeah, so she took two containers, dumped them into her Pyrex dish, heated it up in the oven and brought a bag of scoops. So then I had like two safe foods. You know, there I have bought the chicken Philly dip at least once since then. Or it's not chicken Philly, it's Philly cheesesteak dip, it's so good, where do you buy this?
Speaker 1:at Publix.
Speaker 2:I have a party this weekend so I'm like where's okay, so you know how there's the case that's right, like goes down the center and on one side is all the salads and on the other side is the deli boys. Okay, it's in that middle case, on the deli side. So the hummus is in that case, the tzatziki is in that case, and then their head. They have their coleslaw. In that case, they have their macaroni salad, they have their cold.
Speaker 2:You get it cold, but she heated it up and put it in pyrex okay, I'm just writing this down because it sounds delicious it was so good and if you wanted to make it prettier you could just put a little shredded cheese on top and maybe a few slices of jalapeno.
Speaker 1:But like it's so good, you know what my like go-to with them is? Publics is their prosciutto and caprese skewers, and then I just put them on a tray a fancy tray and it looks like I made them.
Speaker 2:Well, and then that becomes for me when I ask they're like, I'm going to say food.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent. We have a potluck this weekend and I'm like, oh, I hate a potluck, I'm with you. I'm like, oh, I hate a potluck, Just I'm with you. I'm like open up a veggie tray, Let me see the plastic coming off the top and I feel okay about it.
Speaker 2:I want you to open up the veggie tray in front of me, yep.
Speaker 1:But look, can we go back to the potato salad? I have a lot of hair.
Speaker 2:It was mashed, potatoes Mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of hair. How does one get that much hair into food? I pull my hair back every time I cook Like I am home, truly.
Speaker 2:I told you that I knew that, like it was very clear, some people had brought like there was the kale salad from Costco, there was a couple of things, yes, and they were like unwrapped right there. So I had actually built my plate in two sides. Somebody is going to literally call in and be like all the work that you said that you did on your eating disorder, you've got more work to do. I think this is totally normal. Okay, perfect, we're going to normalize this.
Speaker 2:I built my plate on two sides. One side was things that I knew came directly out of the package. One side was things people brought and I didn't want to hurt their feelings. When I started looking deep into those mashed potatoes eyes, I was like there's not a chance I can touch anything on this other side. So I ate what I brought the kale salad. There was a brownie tray that came out of Lowe's Foods that had the frosting and she peeled it off and I grabbed the first one and I ate a giant brownie and she said I love a brownie. I love a brownie, not a sweet person. I don't make trays of brownies because I don't need it around here and I just like are you icing on a brownie or?
Speaker 1:no icing.
Speaker 2:We just had the icing and they were so good.
Speaker 1:See I'm team, no icing.
Speaker 2:Oh, this was like. This was a. I probably haven't had a brownie in three years. This brownie kicked every other brownie's ass.
Speaker 1:Good to know Clark loves a brownie. My mama likes the best box brownies. She does a very good job.
Speaker 2:Like when I was a swim teamer and we used to just like plow through sweets all the time. I used to drink regular Dr Pepper all the time Dr Pepper is. We eat Twizzler nibs every day before practice either a peach Snapple or a regular Dr Pepper and a big– you remember the Twizzler nibs? They're like the little bites that are like even more waxy.
Speaker 1:These things are disgusting.
Speaker 2:They're my favorite.
Speaker 1:They're so good. Do you like? Like wax candy though, like wax lips and like all that stuff?
Speaker 2:I just like really love a Twizzler and a Twizzler nib is like top tier. I love it.
Speaker 1:Fun fact You're like an onion.
Speaker 2:Well so I thought about this last episode and I wanted to bring this to the next one because I need you to. This is going to be fun Speaking of people who make a million alarms and who look chaotic but are actually really not, but then are just have maybe a bit of chaotic energy. We had lunch the other day and we sat, you and I, and we sat down and I was telling you a story of somebody who said something that bothered me and I, and in this situation I said I'm not going to answer you because I'm going to be mean, and so I dropped the conversation. But I'm telling you you were unglued, you did not know that this is a behavior of mine.
Speaker 1:No, I thought it was yeah, no.
Speaker 2:So I think we could talk about this because there are things that are like. You're like, oh, I wake up and I check my email immediately and I'm like, wow, that's crazy. But I also opened up my notes app in my phone, which there are thousands, got to the note where I wrote all of the things that I, if we ever revisit the conversation, I will open that notes app and I'm going to say the things because I found a way to articulate myself without being terribly nasty, but I read to you my notes.
Speaker 1:But let me just let me pause you real quick. So I feel like in the past year is I have gotten to know you better, like there's. Like when you call me on a random Tuesday and like, hey, I'm headed to get some tattoos, that didn't surprise me. Hey, I'm getting a doll, a puppy, that didn't surprise me. When you, when you pulled out that note, that surprised me. I know that's why I'm circling back. I did not see that coming like at all that's why I'm circling back, because it's like that.
Speaker 2:And then you were like hold on. I was like no, I really need to get this out like I need to tell you.
Speaker 1:You were like no well, you like put it up or like scroll, and I'm like wait, is this like something, like, are you?
Speaker 2:in your notes app and I was like yes, that's well. Yeah, I wrote it down, and you're like no, and I like showed you and then I found out the story so people know what the note is.
Speaker 2:You don't have to get specific, obviously but no, the best part was I actually I fixed two typos because I read it to you verbatim and I was like, hold on one second, I have a typo there. And you were like. You were like I really am trying to absorb the story, but the fact that we are in your notes app right now and you have this written. I was like I have thousands of these, but I'm an eight, so I really do speak it in the moment. Do you have a note about?
Speaker 1:me in your notes up? I don't think I do, I don't know if I do. Can you cut and copy and paste it to me so I can read it?
Speaker 2:No, I like. But the thing is, once I've moved on from it, then I like is it just you need to get it out? Is that what it is? Maybe it's like journaling. Maybe Jennifer Sisk knows what's up and like this is already like what I'm doing. It could be, I don't know. I will tell you. There are an awful lot of notes in there.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I would die to get my. What would you do if, like, somebody got your notes?
Speaker 2:They're all things that like this person. I'm surprised this person hasn't what happened here, hasn't? Oh, it took me to FaceTime all of a sudden Hasn't actually asked, because the way I ended that I was like you know what? I'm actually not going to answer. I need to think about what I want to say, and right now, the only things that I have to say are going to sound mean, and so I'm going to say, and right now, the only things that I have to say are going to sound mean, and so I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you doing that, though, like I feel like I am. So I am just to clarify for anyone listening. This was not a conversation between the two of us.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, you're rehashing it like we often do and I read it. So I will have. I have a very sharp tongue and I know this, so I have to work hard to not say those things too. But I will send an email to get out how I'm feeling, because I feel like I can write it better than I can say it, and I don't know if that's like. I don't like the confrontation, it's not a confrontation thing. I don't like the confrontation, it's not a confrontation thing.
Speaker 2:It's just more of like I can read what I'm writing so I don't sound like an asshole, versus saying it and then sound like an asshole.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm like to be fair, I'm an eight, so there are times where I definitely just say it. I think I'm in a really healthy eight space space. So I'm just like. Also, I'm very careful now about people trying to bait me into being reactive, because that was a big part of my first marriage, so because that person's reactivity needed me to have the reaction back so I could ultimately be at fault, which I've learned through a lot of self-growth and therapy, which I love. I love our therapists, thank you guys. But in the end I decided that I have more power in general by not giving people that because they love to just be like oh well, and this could be anyone. This is just a good example of how often, when people are very nasty and reactive, they need you to have that final reaction. And there's a word for it in therapy, because it is technically like a manipulation, right, it's the push until you get to that part and then it's the manipulation to say see, look, now you're crazy.
Speaker 1:Now you're overreacting.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep, the push is so long and so big. Now I'm just like and the person that I did this to actually really care about, but I just was like I don't like the corner you just backed me into yeah. I'm gonna take a second because I'm allowed to yes you are and you so. That I think, is an interesting growth, even just for the last year, but the note tripped me out.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be honest with you. Like I did not see that coming and like I said, you keep me on my toes. But like, again, you could call me tomorrow and be like, hey, I bought a giraffe and I'm like, okay, sounds on brand, sure, yep. Be like, wait, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2:uh, it's the onion. I never it. It definitely looks chaotic to people, but then they come in my space and they're like no, she's got a brain disease. There's some type a happening here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I I just I would love to compare our notes one day to see like. You see, I drive down the road and I'm like, oh, this would be a good blog topic, or oh, we should talk about this on the podcast I mean my last one says counter spray and broccoli. I'm about to pee. I'm about to pee.
Speaker 2:One of them is like all of the lines that my character said in Christmas Vacation, so that I could come prepared to the Christmas Vacation party.
Speaker 1:We commit people, we commit to no we really do.
Speaker 2:One is a Christmas list. Yes, one is a list of somebody's friends, because I have a hard time keeping track of them.
Speaker 1:I took notes during a movie the other day, that documentary. I told you to watch the Eye Now. Yes, I took notes.
Speaker 2:Ones are hashtags, so I can copy and paste them.
Speaker 1:Yep, I have that too. One's my itinerary for 2025 New York trip, because I made notes from my last trip. I just love it. I like to plan it.
Speaker 2:One of them, one of my most recent ones, is actually a friend's, like they documented one of this is really interesting. I'm going to share it. She's amazing and I will get permission from her on sharing her name after. But I have a very good friend who is very fit, has three kids, mom, like us. Her youngest just got into kindergarten and she woke up the other day with this really bad headache and she had the headache for like a week and then she went out and ran a bunch of errands and came back and like literally couldn't sit up.
Speaker 2:She has a brain leak, I know, and it's so interesting with this like healthcare conversation and whatever but she actually works in healthcare or worked until she was a stay-at-home mom, so she has a fair amount of knowledge. I can't imagine being somebody else and trying to navigate what she's navigating because, and like, her husband works in healthcare also. So they are really having to like double down to get permission or this or that or go to like these really special places. So she was actually writing out because she recently shared this on Facebook, so she sent her story to me so that I could pre-read it and that's like in my most recent notes and it's like it is awful because she has. Now she has a patch, but it's not even certain that the patch is 100% working, because she's still suffering from some of this and like it has been months of like having people's parents like live with her and all the friends take care of the kids, and like she barely can get an hour and a half during the day total up out of like not laying flat.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:And like it's her actual brain fluid. So there's less fluid, which is why her her head pain is so intense. It's not like a headache, it's like a lack of fluid. Oh my gosh, it's the craziest thing and I'm like I do not know how you are doing this and having to be your own advocate and like up against and we won't get into the politics of it, but like, oh my god yeah, no, I am.
Speaker 2:It's like her story of like this all happening and I'm like this is the craziest thing I've ever heard of there.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's your body, though I mean, I feel like I you know, I've dealt with some stuff in the past couple months too and like you have to learn to listen to your body. And like we were just before we hopped on here we were talking like, oh, have you gotten your word yet for the new year? Wow, cause you know, last year we did, or this year we did our words, and so I'm almost like one of the words I was thinking about was listen, whether it's like your body, or to you, know God, or listen to you, know your gut, listen to your intuition. So I'm almost thinking I really liked the word listen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do feel like if I cause again, I dealt with not something of that severe the past couple of months. It could have been just you know, but it was something. So I just knew something was wrong, and I'm so glad that we kept. I kept pushing and thank God for my husband's like don't give up. Like, if you think something's wrong, you need to keep pushing, because you have to be your greatest advocate, because nobody's going to do it for you, and sure as hell not anybody at the hospital or a doctor.
Speaker 2:No, that's the thing. I'm like we were talking, we talked about this hormone person, but I'm like I can. There's a very big difference between the appointments that I go to where I just have to pay whatever it costs because this person is so deeply invested in my health, and then the appointments that I go to where where I already pay for insurance, and then I pay for this and then I pay for that, and then they rush you in and out in 15 minutes and they tell you that your BMI is 22.
Speaker 1:And then they stare at their computer the whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm like what Sorry.
Speaker 1:We took a dive here to healthcare.
Speaker 2:I know Well, I just saw it in the notes and I was like, well, first of all, we're going into the new year, I'm thinking a lot about health and obviously that's like not just men. We talk about this a lot, like whether it's like the headspace or like even like writing the note and like deciding, like, okay, well, is this something I eventually want to circle back to and articulate, or is this something I just needed to get out? You know, jennifer recommended two episodes ago that some kind of journaling and then also manifesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was one of my things I wanted to talk to you about. So I started trying to do this the other day Yep, same About what I want and I had a really really. I had a really hard time, like I had to. I just sat there and I'm like, what do I want? Like she can be very specific, so what does that look like? And then you know there's like this trend. I think it was hard for you. It was very, it's very hard. I still haven't like done it, cause I'm, yeah, I need some like concrete kind of things and I just didn't have them. Do you really like?
Speaker 2:to have like the pieces and then build.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I'm a big picture, work backward kind of gal.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Like I like to know where I'm going and I kind of like fill in the gaps. So maybe I need to figure out where I'm going or where I want to go and then fill in the gaps, because I just sat there and like stare at the piece of paper and I'm like I think you should think about your retirement girl, I'm ready to go now.
Speaker 2:I know you're not stop, we're doing stuff. But I'm saying like if you went big picture and you were like where do I want to land? Yeah, and then ultimately that's like retirement Like, what does that look like? And I think she was saying like house location, your wellness, like, and then, but I think for you you could like work backwards from there, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a good call.
Speaker 2:That's a good question, because I feel like you do think about those things, like you're very into your like financial planning, like I think if you worked backwards from there, that might be helpful.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because, that's like yeah, it was tricky and I would be curious to know if it's hard for other of our listeners. I think it definitely would be hard, like what you want, like, could you do this easily?
Speaker 2:I, I think it definitely would be hard, but you should be open to that, not necessarily being what lands. And I think that was like the real power of what she was saying because, like, even if I said like what I wanted in a relationship, I know that that's coming from somewhere between being married for 14 years and then being single for a year. So like I know that that will evolve. Of course, we're coming right out of the santa conversation, so my mind is like I want him in a f-250 with some wranglers and beard, kevin costner, I want.
Speaker 2:Feel the dreams, kevin costner, I want. Bodyguard, kevin costner, I want, but with some. Yeah, yeah, but like I think that all of those things will evolve and I really liked that she. It didn't seem like, cause you know how sometimes when people you talk about manifesting, you feel like if you accidentally manifest the wrong thing, like that's still the thing you're getting and do you mean no, no, oh well, give me an example.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't know. I just mean like, if you like you, we know that there's a lot of power in manifesting. Yes, it's really important to remember that you're not entirely in charge of like how that actually right. Yes, so like I mean I would love to just manifest, you know like $60 million, but like I could probably manifest the fuck out of that like, sign me up, I'll draw that one down yeah, right, I think we just start there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a driver, I mean I'll take 50, yeah, 70, if we accidentally manifest too hard and we like shoot a little far but we're we're both on track that we're going to journal going into 2025. We're on track for 50. Huh, we're on track for 50.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's why we do marketing mayhem, we've hit a big everybody, we're 50.
Speaker 2:Hey, I just said it, maybe we'll get there, but I definitely think there's something about it. Like I think I know that the man that I might like manifest right now might not be the same that I might manifest in a year. Like I know that things grow and evolve and I'm like, very like speaking of leaving things, you know, in 2024, I'm very open to that.
Speaker 2:I never, definitely never, thought I was going to have the year that I or the last two years that I just had yeah, maybe that's your word, I don't know which one Open. You know I loved the word more. I feel like I was very open this year. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I like listen. I think that's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I need to think on it some more, because this year it's been faith and it's been a wonderful word and I feel like I've dug in deep to that, which is probably why I've had a banging year.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna be honest with you, like well, big part of listening is faith, right, like I just think like that they are hand in hand, but in different perspective. Totally a lot of like, because I would never choose. Sometimes I feel like when people hear the word listen, they think like, okay, let's slow down and listen, but that's not what you're saying.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 2:There's nothing slow about our lives. It's more like being aware, like being intentional, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah to self-doubt, not letting that creep in and just listening to what, in my situation, god is telling me to do, and I think that that's an important part of how we move and how we progress and how we grow and how we leave things and how we bring on new things. And, yeah, I think we talked a lot about this.
Speaker 2:There was a good guest that I think about our conversation with her a lot Eden Eden talked about that and about like also, why can't I think of her name? There was another guest also who talked a lot about like, if the workout doesn't, if you're just doing it because it was a chore, jessica, thank you. If you're just doing it because it's a chore and because you should do it, or like thinking about when you go to the fridge at night, like, okay, yes, you are hungry, but like, let's make sure that we choose the thing that our body really wants, even if that is chocolate. Yeah, not just have 50,000 carrots because we don't want to have the two pieces of chocolate. Right, yeah, like I, just there's some like she really like we had a couple of guests who really got into like let's think about what.
Speaker 2:Like let's be really intentional, let's listen to our body. Let's say, like that feels like a rest day, even though I plan to go, and maybe even though I plan to go with a friend. I've done this a few times lately. I since that conversation where I had even a yoga date with a good friend and I woke up and I couldn't possibly have been the person that I needed to be and I was like I'm not going to come.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think intentional is another good word. Yes, yeah, I think intentional is another good word. Yes, and it's crazy to think so. If you so this time next year, what is marketing and mayhem going to look like? Do you think it's going to be the same?
Speaker 2:Do you think it's? I don't know if I was going to tease you about choosing the word listen when we are on a podcast. It occurred to me and I know that's like not how you mean it, but like the jokester mischief part of me was like oh my gosh, it is kind of funny.
Speaker 1:It is kind of funny. The jokester part of me was like well, well well. Speaking of podcasts, we were on one the other day for the first time we were.
Speaker 2:We haven't talked about that it was so much fun.
Speaker 1:It was so fun we both blacked out during it.
Speaker 2:It was so much fun, though we were like this is when we had lunch before and I pulled out my notes app yes, we have lunch we like get our minds straight. We had, you know, like a list of questions that we might tackle. So we're like let's just talk about this and make sure we don't like curse or like embarrass ourselves. And then we get there and one of the hosts sits down and he actually wasn't on this, although normally it's a co-hosted podcast that quote rocked my world, literally. It was like normally this is the part where people are nervous. This is before we walk into the studio and I tell them to just have fun. But I've listened to your podcast. I want you to have fun, but not too much fun, and I immediately had tears coming out of my eyes.
Speaker 1:But we kept it between the rails. I thought we did well.
Speaker 2:We said at lunch do you think they've listened to ours? We?
Speaker 1:were a little concerned.
Speaker 2:First of all, why wouldn't they Like? Why would they have us on and just like raw dog us Like? That's such a bad idea. But we did prove. We did prove that we can and we will respect your space and your reporting Absolutely we will, and we and your reporting. Absolutely we will and I thought that went really well.
Speaker 1:And I've had a few people reach out to me. I think this is a great topic of conversation as we go into the year. A lot of people have reached out to us asking about podcasting and either why we do it. If there's monetary gain from it, what's the point? How do you start one? All of these things, we are so happy to help you. It is so fun. Is it a moneymaker? No, is it a passion project for us? Yes, currently, but that can change. Project for us? Yes, currently, but that can change. But even as a business owner or a girlfriend who wants to talk about wine with another girlfriend, start the podcast. It is so fun. Like, just do it and we're happy to help. We're happy to help you. Like I, you know I think would have a great podcast is the twins, kelsey and Colin? I think they would have a great podcast?
Speaker 2:Oh, for sure, I know. I think they should do it. So just when you said Kelsey, um, did you see this thing, that Jason Kelsey's wife started a podcast? No, okay, I just posted it on Instagram the other day. But, kylie, right.
Speaker 1:Kylie no, that sounds right.
Speaker 2:Okay. So first episode just just published I need to listen to it. You need to listen to it Surpassed the popularity of Joe Rogan's podcast immediately. Seriously, yes, Hold on, let me find a little. I know I was like shook, I was like yes, but but and I will say this, in that podcast that we recorded one of the things that we talked about cause we were talking about marketing and the marketing world here in Charleston was like trends and we said and we stick with this authenticity there is something truly incredible right now happening in marketing trends and this idea of influencer to nano-influencer, to micro-influencer. People don't want it anymore. They want realness. In a world where AI is everywhere and people are trying to figure out how to do AI and manipulate it and leverage it. We are predicting that your ability to get your hands dirty and be authentic in social and in your marketing is going to be where we are king right now. And I'm telling you, kylie Kelsey and Jason Kelsey the man's out there with the Buffalo bills hat on, no shirt breaking tables. He is a hoot, he is, but like they are doing it, um, let's see, I'm going to send it to you right now and to marketing and mayhem. Yes, she, kylie Kelsey, has surpassed Joe Rogan for the number one podcast on Spotify and Apple charts after just one episode of not going to lie, all about it. But I highly doubt that she is doing anything inauthentic at this point. I mean, she's not she.
Speaker 2:They let the cameras in their house and there's kids running around everywhere and it's not perfectly picked up and it's like he walked when he was playing. He would walk out to the. You know, like lockers, you know they walk in and a lot of them wear suits and look nice. That man looked like he had slept outside next to him. Have you seen him in? Like jacked up pool slides. His hair was like he looks like a man who has three kids. He did not his walk up. I mean like there's the. Some of the boys look so nice, right, they look like the hockey players. Like I know. That man rolled up to the bus looking like he spooned a grizzly bear for the afternoon and then had to go. He looks like a man with three kids. They they are barely holding on and then they're nailing the shit out of it and she's pregnant again, isn't she?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I didn't know that. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I just I will say this If I was going to manifest whatever for myself, it wouldn't be the Taylor Travis version, it would be her and him. Yeah, they're cute. I'm team Kylie and Jason. I love it. I love their story of how they met. They met on a dating app, love. He fell asleep on our first date.
Speaker 1:No, I didn't know the story. He was exhausted.
Speaker 2:He met her out and he fell asleep in the middle of their dinner. She gave him a second chance.
Speaker 1:He passed out, wow, but he was just on the app, or do you have any hinge updates? Speaking of dating apps, no, but I have.
Speaker 2:I when I re whatever it is like renewed it. Um, I only gave it the, so you can go in and cancel it immediately. So that only charges you the ones. So it is actually technically pre-canceled and I don't know what I'm going to do after that.
Speaker 1:Okay, if you had to summarize hinge in one word this year, what would it be?
Speaker 2:Can I use a sentence Sure, um. Can I use a sentence Sure, uh, men don't have imposter syndrome, so you should get rid of yours now. I mean, I don't know how else to say it. Every time I'm on there I'm like I, if I could just have the level of confidence, whether you are 18 or 80, because I got both Whether you tell me, you look like a fun time for vacation.
Speaker 1:That's what somebody said.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll be there for vacation on these dates. You look like a fun time. Like, sir, is that code for you? Look easy, I'm like, what in the comedia are you talking about? But like, I'm really just hoping that one of my friends pulls through with like something amazing. But in the meantime I just I, if I could give everyone the gift of access to my hinge, I would love to, just so that you could understand that you don't really need to worry so much. It's okay, you got it. I think you're going to be great. I can't even.
Speaker 2:I mean, all people are beautiful, but I'm just saying, for the amount of pressure that women put on themselves and the amount of men who will say I want someone who takes care of themselves, who's physically active, like, just say, you want her to be skinny and pretty, yeah, but in the meantime, I want you to just take a quick look in the mirror, because you, I just saw the other day a 59 year old man who's still trying to figure out his relationship type. The man is bald, his jowls and his boobs have come in. He probably can't even get to work fully. However, you want to take that. What are you saying? What do you mean you're still figuring out your relationship?
Speaker 1:type.
Speaker 2:Can you see the other women that you're like? No, would love to, I know.
Speaker 1:I would love to do that?
Speaker 2:I would. We could make another hinge and like be a boy and like see what would happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I mean like I'm sure that they're all gorgeous and smart, successful women and I love. I would love to get another one on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do we just like make a boy one, or do we just find a boy and like mate and like ask him if we can make one with his stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, or can you? Can you, can you get one of yours non-matches?
Speaker 2:and be like can we just use Nate? And like you just only have it on your phone.
Speaker 1:No, I don't want Nate seeing what's out there. He might be like I'm dropping you, like it?
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Like, you just put it on your phone. Oh, okay, that's what I'm saying. We just use it on your phone. It's not for Nate to scroll, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like this is in.
Speaker 2:Will for me? No, no, we can just take the six pictures and use real life stuff because I connect to that better.
Speaker 1:We'll just put it on my phone. This makes me nervous.
Speaker 2:Who can we use? We need somebody. We need a boy. Okay, maybe we'll use my brothers.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good idea, because they're not really here. Yeah, that might be safer.
Speaker 2:But like we just need I need like a real boy so we can say, like who they really are, so that people can respond to real things. Otherwise, you and I are going to be jokesters. It's going to be chaotic For sure. I want to know.
Speaker 1:I would love that. Are you wanting to catfish? Is that what it is? I just want to see the other side, but we wouldn't match. No, I don't to see the other side. Oh, but we wouldn't like match. No, okay, I was like I don't want this to get main.
Speaker 2:No, we're not doing any of that. Okay, I just want to see what the girls are doing. I want to see the profiles, because all the boys say like I'm really good at getting my hoodie back. Oh gosh, there's so much dumb stuff like that. Like, uh, first dates on me because I'm a gentleman Like I, that's still not telling me anything about you. Um, I'm in the gym six days a week, like, okay, nobody cares. I know it's like, very like. A lot of theirs is very superficial. But then at the same point, when I see something that's like, I'm like, are you being funny or are you telling the truth.
Speaker 1:What are?
Speaker 2:they being yeah, a lot of playing guitar. Oh God, I don't love a musician.
Speaker 1:I mean I love a hobby, but I mean I don't know, I feel like that's kind of thirsty putting a picture of you playing guitar.
Speaker 2:If you think I'm going to be able to sit there and you're, I don't think I'm mature enough for you. That's not the love story I want. I want to watch you chop wood. That, to me, is way sexier Go do that thing I do.
Speaker 1:I feel like you're in the wrong. I feel like you need Montana or Colorado it up.
Speaker 2:I guess probably Do you want to go like let's go together on a trip to one of those like ranches where you work. It's like a therapy ranch.
Speaker 1:Ew.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that's real, but I assume it should be.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:You said you wanted to do like a spa vacation. I do, oh my God. You said you wanted to do like a spa vacation, like one of those like I feel like it's gotta be like a horse therapy place where we like brush horses and there's like one a hot boy.
Speaker 1:I can see you with like a side braid, like with a wrangler on with a hat.
Speaker 2:If we're here's the tricky part I got to have I. My head is the size of Texas, so the tricky part I gotta have. My head is the size of texas, my head is huge, okay. So it's got to be at least one of those things where, like the helmets, aren't too small for us.
Speaker 1:We look stupid. Yeah, I mean this, this noggin.
Speaker 2:She is, she big yeah, it's just, it's really like I want to look cute in a beanie and like it's that kind of you know, cute.
Speaker 1:I feel like it kind of had the the diameter circumference of my head, I feel like.
Speaker 2:I look like the guy off home alone. I need way more. I want to know what beanie you have so I can buy one, because I literally look like the guy had a home alone. I don't know what my freaking problem is with beanies. Everyone looks so cute and sexy and I've bought at least three in my lifetime and I look so stupid. How do you look in a trucker?
Speaker 1:hat. I can look really cute in a hat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like I look decent in a trucker hat, but something about the beanie. I really want it to work and I always look like.
Speaker 1:Or maybe I don't look cute in them and I just am like tricking myself into thinking that in them and I just am like tricking myself into thinking that. So we have talked about the new year and beanies and healthcare and billboards, and I'm yeah, and now I'm going to go eat some lunch because I'm starving. I will. I have something I love that.
Speaker 2:The dogs have torn up my, so I got to go out and vacuum up dirt again so we're going to be thinking about our word.
Speaker 1:We encourage everybody else to do it it takes a little bit though it does.
Speaker 2:It won't happen by January 1. We were still working on January last year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it took me a while. Then I'm going to work on the journaling.
Speaker 2:I like the word, sorry, listen though.
Speaker 1:I think listen is a good one. I gotta gotta think on that some more.
Speaker 2:But it's a really good one. Write it down somewhere, though, so you don't forget. Wrote it down, girl, you know I take pages of notes during these things.
Speaker 1:Your notes, well, happy new year, everybody. Thank you for spending 2024 with us, literally, literally. Thanks so much, guys, and we will see you next week. Happy new year. Spending 2024 with us, literally, literally. Thanks so much, guys, and we will see you next week. Happy New Year.