Picture this: You're stumbling, fumbling, and caught in the throes of yet another perceived failure. Feels familiar, right? It's time we reframe this narrative. Accompanied by our insightful guest, Travis, we unpack the reality of our failures—how they're not shortcomings, but rather stepping stones to success. Imagine not merely surviving your failures, but thriving through them. Yes, it's possible, and we'll show you how. Encourage your self-talk, and let it propel you forward, not pull you down. Remember, your greatest successes are often disguised as failures. So why quit when you can conquer?
Join us as we explore how to handle our missteps with the same compassion we'd extend to a loved one. So, tune in and let's redefine what it means to fail, and more importantly, succeed.
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Picture this: You're stumbling, fumbling, and caught in the throes of yet another perceived failure. Feels familiar, right? It's time we reframe this narrative. Accompanied by our insightful guest, Travis, we unpack the reality of our failures—how they're not shortcomings, but rather stepping stones to success. Imagine not merely surviving your failures, but thriving through them. Yes, it's possible, and we'll show you how. Encourage your self-talk, and let it propel you forward, not pull you down. Remember, your greatest successes are often disguised as failures. So why quit when you can conquer?
Join us as we explore how to handle our missteps with the same compassion we'd extend to a loved one. So, tune in and let's redefine what it means to fail, and more importantly, succeed.
email: FlippedMindsetPodcast@gmail.com
Facebook: Flipped Mindset Podcast
You do it. I've got the book.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to the Flip Mindset Podcast. I'm Janet.
Speaker 1:No, I'm Janet.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't read that part. Okay, I'm Brenda.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm not Brenda either.
Speaker 1:No, I'm Janet.
Speaker 2:I'm Travis.
Speaker 1:Welcome to our podcast, where we're being wonderfully weird and brave. So you guys already here. We have a special guest today. His name is Travis.
Speaker 2:Say hi Hi I'm the serious one, if you haven't noticed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Today you will be. Yes, because I will be laughing a lot. He's my jokester, so All right.
Speaker 2:But what we're talking about is no joke.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's important Want to introduce it.
Speaker 2:Sure, yeah, today's topic is one that should kind of let me pick from a group of topics, and it is a failing, like a boss giving yourself grace. So that's what we're gonna talk about today, because it's something that I struggle with and I thought it would be a good topic to talk about today.
Speaker 1:I think that's a yeah, I think it's a great one. So, all right, you ready to jump in, are?
Speaker 2:we ready, you start Okay.
Speaker 1:By the way, this is a good friend of mine. We've been trying to decide how to like introduce you. We can get into that later. That might be an afterthought.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll explain the whole realm. So anyway, all right. So he's coming on to help today. So we're talking about failing, like a boss, I think, because in today's society we talk about, you know, we all strive for this perfection you gotta be perfect, gotta be perfect before we do anything. I'm kind of glad you did this too, because you know, again, I'm in the process of starting the podcast and my coaching business and all. So I'm afraid of failure. So I'm kind of sitting at the same part where it doesn't have to be perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you gotta try, you know, even if you're scared.
Speaker 1:So and that's the thing like we hear that a lot right, you gotta just put it out there, you gotta just try, but that's easier said than done.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, everything's easier said than done.
Speaker 1:Always yeah.
Speaker 2:Except for onomatopoeia.
Speaker 1:Of course Nevermind. That might not even be easy for some people. So that's fair enough. I don't even know what the word means.
Speaker 2:It sounded like the right thing to say at the time.
Speaker 1:But okay, so the first.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I was meant to say word sisters, word sisters, that's what I should have said.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, okay now. Yeah, so you get a little idea of what you're in for on this one. Okay, so the biggest thing is is we actually learn more from our failures than from our successes? Our mistakes, our failures. And one of the things is and you guys know this by now is like it's our self-talk. We talk to ourselves how we process things. We're trying to flip that mindset, flip the script, change the stories that have been told to us. So that's one of the things we think, like if we fail, we make a mistake, we're failures, we didn't succeed, we didn't do it. And that's not necessarily the case, right?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you know you might not have completed it the way you wanted to and you may look at it as a failure. You know, and maybe to a degree it is, but that doesn't mean that you complete it. You're the very first time. You know. That's why they have the phrase practice makes perfect. You know the very first time you get out there to dribble a basketball you're not gonna be dribbling it between your legs and spinning the ball on your finger. It takes time, it takes work. You're gonna dribble that ball out of bounds off your foot all the time. You know at the beginning. But it takes a combination, you know.
Speaker 1:Want to, and the understanding that every one of those failures is your favorite phrase.
Speaker 2:Learning experience, a learning experience.
Speaker 1:So, like as you dribble it off your foot, you're like okay, now I'm gonna try it this way this time. I'm gonna keep working in your learning each time that you fail, and so that's the thing the failures are actually successes, because you learn something, right.
Speaker 2:The only real way you can fail is by quitting. Otherwise, everything is just a learning experience.
Speaker 1:And we see. So we see these things, we see these music stars, we see these basketball players or football players and they're just like the greatest and awesome. But we don't see all the hours of practice that went into it. We didn't see all the sacrifices and everything that goes in all their failures. We see the successes and so we think, oh, if I don't succeed the first time, oh, they just got lucky, that's why they succeed. You don't see all the work that went into it, and so I think that's one of those things is like changing that mindset. It's a false mindset of oh, if I don't do it and I'm not perfect at it, the first time I fail, I fail, I'm gonna stop, that's not meant for me, and move on. So we wanna change that mindset or at least open that up.
Speaker 2:I think it goes now, part of human nature is striving to be better, and it can be disappointing when you do something you think you're gonna do great job and then it turns out maybe it didn't come out as satisfactory as you wanted it. And because we're always striving to better ourselves, striving to be better at whatever we're doing, having a failure like that can really be disheartening.
Speaker 1:It really is, and so that's kind of where it comes into play. There's two ways you can go with it. You can get that disheartening I'm a failure, I fucked up, I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough. We can start going down that negative whole of all the reasons of why we messed it up and it's our fault and we're a failure and we just go down. The other way is we can flip it and be like okay, the next time I'm going to do it this way.
Speaker 1:I learned this from this experience because we're so hard on ourselves and we're unnecessarily hard, and I think one of the things we were talking about this last night and this is another point I wanted to bring up is think about how negative we are to ourselves. Like, imagine that this is a person you really love. So for you it would be your daughter. So imagine your daughter had that failure. What would you be saying to her? You would not be saying all these bad things. You wouldn't be saying oh my God, I can't believe you did that. You're such a failure, you're so blah, blah, blah. I can't even say it out.
Speaker 2:And I really like this first set it to me. It was one of the ones Hit a nerve and struck home Because, if you really think about it, it's like, yeah, we're harder on ourselves, something that if somebody that we love made the exact same mistake, we would be much more forgiving. So why is it that we can't love ourselves enough to give ourselves the same grace that we would give somebody that we care about for making a mistake? I mean, because we all make mistakes. We all mess up.
Speaker 1:We all mess up. Some of us don't own up to it. We pretend like oh no, I don't mess up, I'm just perfect.
Speaker 2:That's a different episode.
Speaker 1:That's a whole different episode. But you're right, it has to do with and I love what you said it's like we need to love ourselves just as much as we love everybody else Probably a little more. We need to have that love and it's hard sometimes because we've gone like throughout our lives. We've been taught, you know anytime that you're talking nice about yourself or things like that, oh you're being conceited. Or a few set boundaries and say no to people and this kind of thing, oh, you're just stuck up. You're this. So we've been programmed our whole lives to not look inward and love ourselves and forgive ourselves and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:And we're also watching everybody else. As a generational, we sit and watch our parents and our parents' parents. You know it's been trickled down that they didn't give themselves grace, so we saw that and that's how we do.
Speaker 2:Luckily, the world is a lot more self-aware today than ever before when it comes to healing mental health. So what is it? There's the meme on the internet that says you know, yeah, I might not be able to rebuild a catalytic converter, but at least I have the emotional capacity to tell my children I love that. So we're moving in that direction as a society, I believe.
Speaker 2:So you know things are getting easier and that's a good thing you know is that you know 20 years ago, if you had you know one of these issues, you wouldn't have had the same support. You know somebody to reach out and talk to you about it. The way that you know, I think, is more prevalent today.
Speaker 1:And so I think that's one of the reasons why there's a lot more of our cast like this and people are, you know. That's why we want to talk about this stuff, we want to bring it up, we want to air it out and show that, hey, there is another way of thinking about things, there's another way of doing it, and maybe we can and we can make a little shift ourselves and help others make that shift, because that's where that's why, when you can love yourself and forgive yourself and get rid of the shame, you start vibing higher, your energy is higher, you're going to start healing and helping more people, and it's just going to keep like snowballing out and to tie that in with you with what you said earlier about helping, about how you would forgive somebody else a lot easier for the same mistake that you made.
Speaker 2:Just imagine how they feel when, when, when, when they make a mistake and instead of being berated they're uplifted. You see them change and then get a better attitude and a better outlook on okay, you know what? Yeah, let me just try this again, and you know I'll do better next time, and you know and that's how we've learned and we grow when we move, and that's how life should be.
Speaker 1:You know, that's how that's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she got. She got the rail because my nose started running and pointing at the box.
Speaker 1:Sorry for the little like new there. If you guys I might have to edit that little.
Speaker 2:No, A whole lot of editing. It's okay it's a mistake. It's a mistake and and we're gonna forgive ourselves for it exactly because, uh, you know what we're still learning. This is obviously my first podcast, at least with Janet. It's also my first podcast overall, so I don't know why I put that disclaimer in although I have listened to part of a podcast.
Speaker 1:You've heard mine.
Speaker 2:Fine, I've heard all of hers.
Speaker 1:Anyway, back on, keep your hand in. No, you're doing a great job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was all your fault.
Speaker 1:But it's okay. Yeah, it all happened.
Speaker 2:Janet, I forgive you, it's okay. Okay, see, I mean just like that.
Speaker 1:People make mistakes and you know you move on, yeah, you know, when I, like I used to be like a big overthinker, so like if something went wrong or, you know, there was a situation I would sit and just beat myself up why didn't I say this, why didn't I do this, you know, and I would just, and, and what that does is it stills my joy for the rest of the day, or the rest of the couple days, or however long. My brain is thinking about that. I'm no longer in my body, experiencing every moment. I'm now thinking why didn't I say this in a conversation I might have had two days ago?
Speaker 2:Oh god, everybody does that right in the shower and they're like. Why did I say this?
Speaker 1:So one of my tricks I've learned that I kind of do is like I'd be like, well, if I have that situation again, this is how I will handle it. So I try to like give myself tools moving forward, because I can't change the conversation, I can't go back in time and rehab that conversation with somebody and once somebody has time travel and then like they can show up Right here in the next five seconds, right, you know.
Speaker 2:Well, just in case anybody in the future listens at this podcast, go ahead. It's a September 28th at 2.06 pm Central time. If we could just go ahead and show up, so we could borrow that time machine.
Speaker 1:We'd appreciate it. So until then, yeah. But we digress, but nobody showed up so clearly.
Speaker 2:Time travel is a bunch of crap. So, not even gonna do it. Episode.
Speaker 1:So anyway, so so, but the whole point is, I can't go back and change. So there's another point that I just thinking I want to make too, but yeah, I can't go back and change it, so I have to figure out am I gonna stay stuck Thinking about it all the time and not moving forward and beating myself up for what I didn't do?
Speaker 1:and now I'm? You know it gets more shame, more guilt, more resentment. Why didn't? I thought it's very negative, it's very heavy. So instead, okay, next time, this is what I'll say, this next time. Look, what do I need to learn from this situation so that I can now move forward and move it with me? The other thing I was gonna say is sometimes we get mad at ourselves for, like, maybe, a decision we made, our past selves made a decision and we're like man, I wish I wouldn't have done. That guy was so dumb, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. But one of the things is is when you look back is like you didn't have the information you have now back then that's why they say hindsight 20 20 20.
Speaker 1:So you gotta forgive past you. I gotta get. I gotta forgive past Janet because she didn't know. She made the decisions Based on the information she had at the time. And, yeah, maybe she makes mistakes she makes mistakes, we all make mistakes. So I have to forgive her, just like I forgive my daughter. If angel, you know, made a mistake, I would be like girl is not a big deal, you know we're gonna move forward and everything like that. So I have to treat my past means the same way and I think that is a very hard because we have such a hard time letting those things go. And that's where a lot of those, some of the other episodes I did on self-talk, where you can set and have a conversation with yourself and you know, yeah, it sucks if that happens so but my question for you is how do you let that go?
Speaker 2:because I mean, you're looking at this mistake that you made that you know it's like. You know maybe maybe my daughter's really upset for me because I didn't go to you know any of her volleyball term Like how do you forgive yourself for something like that? You know it's it's not always easy, so no, it's not always easy.
Speaker 1:So there's a couple of things that you can do, and you got to just pick what works for you, right? So I'm gonna throw some things out. And then, of course, now I'm a coach, people can Come to me and I can help too if there's a specific thing. But anyway, okay, so here's some tricks or or tips on how to do that. So, first of all, when you have, let's take that right, let's take that situation that you didn't, let's just hypothetical, let's follow this out yeah.
Speaker 1:Why didn't you show up? What was the reason?
Speaker 2:Well, right now I've actually I have trouble, and the reason, I think the reason, I brought this out here is because I thought it was a little too hard for me to move, by the way okay, no, they were really far. And for her to play for 45 minutes no, I'm not that you ever want to miss your kids playing something.
Speaker 1:Thank you, but yeah, so that's a valid excuse or a valid reason. It's a valid reason. So, if you have a valid reason, did you talk to her about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we talked before, you know, and I said, hey, I'm probably not going to come because this one's in Enid. You know like she plays in Enid later tonight actually, and I'm not going to be going to that one. She's understanding it. Ok with it. Fortunately for me, this one happens to be online, so I'll still be able to get to watch it. But you know, but that's besides the point. The point is that, you know, I talked to her, we communicated, she understands and she knows that I'm always there for her when she needs me.
Speaker 1:So what is, what do you think is holding you back from forgiving yourself for not going Well?
Speaker 2:we were in the hypothetical.
Speaker 1:In the hypothetical. The hypothetical is that I didn't realize, could you realize on me? So I was like so if we? So for me I would think like, let's say we're like, there's usually like some shame and guilt that goes on like, oh, I could have went, but I decided I wanted to do this instead.
Speaker 2:It depends. You know, I have another choice or another obligation. If I have another obligation, then I'm not going to feel bad because I understand a lot of variables in this one hypothetical.
Speaker 1:So you know, because depending on what it is, will depend on how you do it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So sometimes you might have a valid, you know, a valid reason why you didn't go. The biggest thing is talking and allowing. You know, saying so you get that person's forgiveness basically, or they understand and everything's fine. Now you've got to look at why are you not forgiving yourself?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's forgiven me, she's forgiven you, but I still feel bad, it's okay.
Speaker 1:And then this is where you have a conversation, but done the ego stuff with you yet. But this is where you'd have a conversation with yourself and be like it's okay to feel bad that I missed her game because I know that I wanted to be there at her game but I wasn't there because I had a valid reason. So it's almost like working through that emotion with yourself and allowing you got to give yourself like, validate the feeling and allow yourself to feel the feeling and it's going to suck because we don't like feeling bad. Nobody likes feeling bad, but if we feel it, we talk about the buffalo. If you're a buffalo and you head through the storm, you feel the feeling you can let it go.
Speaker 1:And then you'd be like I forgive you. You know you forgive yourself, just like she forgave you, and be like I forgive you that you didn't go to your daughter's game. We're going to try to make the ones we can and we're going to give ourselves grace for the ones that we can't and we're going to handle the situations. It'd be different if you handle the situation going oh, I don't care. You know I don't care. I don't want to watch your game because I have something selfish to do. That's a whole another thing, because now you've got to dig into some deep rooted reasons of why you're doing it and having those truthful conversations with yourself. Did I answer you like?
Speaker 2:You did. I'm just not sure if we're still on topic with the failure. No, because you took us.
Speaker 1:You're giving grace for mistakes which I guess is still related, which is the same. Failure is a mistake, so you've got to. You know, I handle it kind of the same way, because sometimes when you make a mistake, you think you're a failure. Or sometimes when I do something like, I feel like I'm a failure. Like you know, if you're saying that, man, I feel like a failure because, well, follow that out. Why do you feel like a failure? Is it because I could have went and I didn't, so I chose not to. Now I feel like I was being selfish and not going.
Speaker 1:So there's these different emotions, but you have to be able to have those real, truthful, honest communication with yourself and part of that, by having those communications with yourself, you're building trust with yourself, you're building the love with yourself, because then you listen and then you try to work through whatever that emotion is and however it works to you. There's not like a cookie cutter, because we're all different. You know things work different for us, but you have to start having those conversations with yourself and sometimes we don't want to look at that person inside. We want to try to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is that you know people are afraid to look at the person that makes a mistake because nobody wants to feel like they're that type of person, you know. But truth is we all are.
Speaker 1:We all do.
Speaker 2:We all are. I mean, we all make mistakes. Nobody's perfect and that's all you can ever do is try your best to you know, to not make a mistake in the future, and but you know what You're home too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's learning. It's not necessarily like, oh I'm going to do it, where I never make a mistake before. That's setting yourself up for failure. You never want to say those kinds of things you don't want to, never. You don't want to say those kinds of things you want to say. Instead, I want to handle my mistakes with grace, or I want to handle them with understanding passion, the same way that I would if it was one of my loved ones, because most of the transgressions that we think are like for us, we're like so hard on ourselves would be minor that we wouldn't even like brush off if somebody else did them to us. So we have to start like bringing us up to the standard that we do with our.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you still have to take responsibility for your. That's not saying that it's like, okay, well, you know, it's all right to make a mistake, don't worry about it and just forget about it, but still own up to it. Yeah, own up to what you did, because that is how you grow, that's how you get better, without owning up to it.
Speaker 1:That taking ownership.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because if you're doing that, where you're like, oh, it's because of this person and this person and this person this kind of goes back to what me and Brennan talked about last time on the external Whenever you're going external, then you're not taking responsibility, you're not taking ownership, and then you're not, you're giving your power away, you're not taking your power back, and because we all can only control ourselves and that's what's awesome we control ourselves, you have the power. So, yeah, we take ownership. Yeah, I made a mistake, but it's okay that I make a mistake, and I think we need and I think saying that out loud to yourself can really make a. You know it was very powerful, but it's okay. Everybody say it right now. It's okay.
Speaker 1:If I make a mistake, I'm okay and we are so afraid of it. And if we can break through that, then it allows you to relax a little bit more. You don't have as much resistance in your life, you can be freer to do things, and then when you do have a mistake, because it's gonna happen, you're gonna fall. It's almost like a toddler learning to walk and you were expecting them to walk and never fall down.
Speaker 2:Well, they damn well better they better.
Speaker 1:That's how they're gonna learn and get back up and that's how they keep learning and learning and learning right, because you're gonna fall down. But that's like us going through life expecting to never have a mistake. It's like a toddler expecting them never to fall down.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's gonna happen. So what do you do when they fall down? It's okay, you got this and we get them back up and we have them walking again. We encourage them. Why can't we take that and put it into our day-to-day life and treat ourselves so? When we fall down, we like hey, you know what, you got this, it's all right, get back up.
Speaker 2:We got it. I think I know to make a counterpoint. You know people look at that situation. They say, oh well, you're young, you're exposed, exposed to make mistakes, and they don't forget that it really doesn't matter how, how old you are, you're gonna fall, you're gonna fall, you're gonna fall because the whole point of life is to learn and grow, and to learn and grow.
Speaker 1:We have to make mistakes. We don't have the innate knowledge of that.
Speaker 1:How to do everything perfectly nobody does, nobody does, even the greatest we were talking. You know the greatest of all time of different. You know people. They made mistakes all the way to get to be where they're at now and some of them continue to learn and to continue grow. Look at any of these people. If you look at like we talked, michael Jordan, because we like, we really like Michael Jordan, but I mean if you look at like Steph Curry, like Will Smith, like any of these people, right, if you follow any of these great people, they're always learning, they're always growing, they're always doing these different things well, and even somebody like will Smith, that's a good example.
Speaker 2:He had Golden boy image until he went up state on stage and slapped Chris rock, mm-hmm. And suddenly people are like wow, and they didn't realize, because we're all going through things, we've all got things on the inside that you know may not show on the outside, because you know that's what we do. Is we put on that face because, you know, sometimes it's not the right people to share with you know, I mean there's there could be a multitude of reasons for that, but it just goes to show that you never know the troubles that somebody really is dealing with. Yeah, you know, and there's something like some like will Smith going up and slapping Chris rock, that type of a thing, you know, a suddenly being out of character and doing something that's not normal for us. Happy to any of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly so. We can't like put ourselves on these pedestals expecting us to be Absolutely perfect all the time and never have mistakes, and then, if we have one little mistake, we think now we're nothing, we're not worthy, we don't deserve, and all these things, which is not true. We are worthy and enough, just because we exist.
Speaker 2:So, so remember people, give yourself the grace that you would give to the person you love the most had they done exactly what you did. Because, because, if you just think about that, how would you treat somebody that you love for doing what you did? Well, why aren't you treating yourself with the same amount of love? Yeah start and just try it like this thing is.
Speaker 1:It's like what's it gonna hurt to try if you just try it? Try it for this next week, just try anytime you make a mistake. Treat yourself the way you would treat somebody that you love very much and see if it Makes a difference. If it doesn't make a difference, you'll be in the exact same spot you're in, but if it makes a difference, it's gonna lift your spirits, it's gonna change your outlook and you know we talk about this. Your perception is your reality, so you have control over your reality.
Speaker 2:By doing those things and you're kind of lifting yourself up, you'll see a change in your life, and that's what this, that's what this podcast is all about is about changing your life, flipping your mindset, you know, finding things that you'd like to work on, because you know that this episode might not supply everybody. You know there's plenty. There's very likely a lot of you out there who you know can forgive yourself.
Speaker 1:No, so it's not for everybody, but we're all trying to work on ourselves, hopefully but one thing would be good too if people have like tips or tricks of what helped them, of the ones that do, they can forgive themselves or give themselves grace, to put it into.
Speaker 2:The Facebook group or things like that. On that note, I'd say we take a few callers.
Speaker 1:He's trying to foreshadow and then try to make it happen.
Speaker 2:So yes, I'm just putting it out there.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I think this was great. I really appreciate you coming on, and Brenda, we miss you. We'll see you on the next one. She'll be back.
Speaker 2:Yes, and in the meantime I'm Brenda.
Speaker 1:So I'll do her line. No, so be brave, be you and until next time stay wonderfully weird.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me on your show.
Speaker 1:Thanks for being here. You Welcome to After Thoughts with Janet. So here I am again. So this episode this week I just I just re-listened to it as I was editing. So this one we have Travis and so, introducing a friend of mine, I've been debating on how much I should go into the background of me and Travis.
Speaker 1:So I've known Travis for a few years now. We have some history, but I don't really want to go into all the details. So the biggest thing is is he's been on a healing journey and it's been really really nice to watch him growing and healing and thinking about things differently. So I'm really, I'm really kind of glad to be a part of the journey and watching you know his growth and being a part of the growth and you know, and him being a part of some my growth and he's been helping out with the podcast. I really enjoyed him being on the podcast and getting his thoughts and his perspective of things. I really enjoy getting to know people's story, where they came from, where they're going, how they think about things, because everything's different. You know, we all got our own perspective on things and it and it's different. So really enjoy him being on.
Speaker 1:I like the topic a lot in the feeling like a boss. It's something I've had to come to terms with and things that I had to think about differently. Some fear of failure has stopped me from doing things in my life, and now I'm not allowing it anymore. So I've made that mind shift and putting myself out here, out there, for this is one of them. So I just I thank you guys for being here. I'm glad that I had Travis on. I'm gonna have some more guests on and we're just gonna keep up the conversation. So thank you for being here, thank you for being a part of it. Until next time, it will be wonderfully weird.