We're rolling out the red carpet for none other than Emmy-winning filmmaker and photographer, Chris Cassidy! Prepare to be transported back in time as he unravels a captivating narrative on the 30th anniversary of Nirvana's MTV Unplugged show. With Chris' unique insight, we venture beyond the public eye, offering you a front-row seat to this iconic performance. Hear about the electric atmosphere and his vivid memories of witnessing Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl, and Chris Novoselic's legendary performance up close in New York City.
But wait, there's so much more! We're turning the page to a previously unseen chapter of the MTV Unplugged performance, diving into a detailed exploration of Nirvana's setlist. From the raw, acoustic versions of their hit songs like Come As You Are, Jesus Doesn't Want Me For A Sunbeam, to the show-stealer, Where Did You Sleep Last Night, be prepared for an auditory joyride, adding a unique layer to your understanding of this unforgettable night in music history. So, sit back, relax, and join us on this nostalgic journey through a landmark moment in music history!
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We're rolling out the red carpet for none other than Emmy-winning filmmaker and photographer, Chris Cassidy! Prepare to be transported back in time as he unravels a captivating narrative on the 30th anniversary of Nirvana's MTV Unplugged show. With Chris' unique insight, we venture beyond the public eye, offering you a front-row seat to this iconic performance. Hear about the electric atmosphere and his vivid memories of witnessing Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl, and Chris Novoselic's legendary performance up close in New York City.
But wait, there's so much more! We're turning the page to a previously unseen chapter of the MTV Unplugged performance, diving into a detailed exploration of Nirvana's setlist. From the raw, acoustic versions of their hit songs like Come As You Are, Jesus Doesn't Want Me For A Sunbeam, to the show-stealer, Where Did You Sleep Last Night, be prepared for an auditory joyride, adding a unique layer to your understanding of this unforgettable night in music history. So, sit back, relax, and join us on this nostalgic journey through a landmark moment in music history!
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Speaker 2:Hello again, everyone. I'm glad you could join us today. I'm Jim Boge and you're listening to Music in my Shoes. I'm thrilled to be here and, yes, that was Vic Thrill. He continues to kick us off every episode that we have. This is Episode 4, the one where it's the 30th anniversary of Nirvana MTV Unplugged.
Speaker 2:Really excited about this episode, we have a special guest with us. Actually, it's our first guest of the show, so we are excited, we're thrilled, we're pumped I don't know what other words we can say but this is Chris Cassidy, an Emmy-winning filmmaker photographer. He's worked in the business for 30 plus years. Over the years, he's photographed countless bands, from the Stones to U2 to Madonna, the police, green Day and many more. He was the cinematographer on the critically acclaimed documentary Side by Side, which was produced by Keanu Reeves, and in 2020, he directed Dennis and Lois, a documentary about the legendary music superfans Dennis Anderson and Lois Callart, who had their first date at CBGB's in the late 70's and they sold T-shirts and merchandise for the Ramones and eventually decided to dedicate the next 40 years of their lives going to concerts and following bands they love. So, without further ado, hey, we're going to have Chris Cassidy. Chris, hey, how are you today?
Speaker 3:Hey Jim, what's going on?
Speaker 2:I'm doing alright. Also, let me put out there for everyone Chris has been a good friend for over 40 years, so it's exciting to have him here with us. He's going to talk a little bit about MTV, the unplugged show with Nirvana. He was actually there in attendance and I believe, chris, what was there? A few hundred people that were actually at the show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it kind of felt like maybe 200, 250 people, pretty small, very intimate. It was at Sony Studios in New York City up on the West 50's.
Speaker 2:Look at you remembering exactly where it is. I like that.
Speaker 3:Hey, really quick. I just want to say congrats on the podcast. This is very exciting, boge, and I think I was maybe one of the first people you've even bounced it off of right when you came up with the idea. Yes you were, so I'm very proud of you.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I appreciate that. I really do.
Speaker 3:Sounds great.
Speaker 2:Hey, not about me, it is about Nirvana. It's the 30th anniversary of the recording. So they actually recorded on November 18th 1993. And it was broadcast on MTV on December 16th 1993. And I feel like everybody I know was there in front of their TV watching the show. I think what people forget is that the actual album didn't come out until November 1st of 1994. So it was quite some time before the album had come out. So let's get right into it. How did you get tickets? Where were you sitting? What was it like? What do you know that me and the rest of the listeners don't?
Speaker 3:All right. Well, I was lucky enough to attend that show for one, because I would imagine there was a ton of people that wanted to go and didn't get to go because of how small it was and intimate it was. But my friend Hope, at the time she had scored a pair of tickets from a radio station. She actually knew the program director at, I think, wnew and these tickets popped on her lap and she thought of who she was going to bring. And she thought of me because I've gone to a bunch of concerts with her and I was pretty psyched, to say the least. So I bet you were.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was really exciting. I had never seen the Vana up until that point, so my only show that I've ever seen them was the unplugged show. But yeah, it was a great night. I didn't know what to expect going into even my first unplugged show. So as we entered, I might have mentioned this to you, but you could not wear white clothing, white shirts. You had to. They had, I think, a supply of black shirts that they wanted people to wear, because white is distracting If the audience is filled with white shirts, your eyes tend to go there and whatnot. So they want the crowd to blend in the background, and you're wearing black shirts.
Speaker 2:I think every time I've been with you, you always had a black shirt on, so it was probably not a problem for you.
Speaker 3:It wasn't a problem for me. I did read online that some kid had like a white punk rock t-shirt on and he kind of like like true punk rock, he refused to take the white off. He may have, like you know, put the black shirt on for a second and then, like, expose his white shirt during the show.
Speaker 2:You know, more power to him, yeah exactly he could have got thrown out.
Speaker 3:Maybe right, I sat in the first row, but in the back I was by Dave Grohl. I was very probably five feet away from Dave Grohl, so good seats. But you know, looking at the back of Cobain and everyone else, but still didn't matter, it was still just great to be there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so let's set the stage real quick. So at the front front right, I guess it was would be Kurt Cobain, to the left of him would be Chris Novicellich. Behind, towards the back, where you were, was Dave Grohl on drums, and then, I believe, wasn't Pat Smear, to the right as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was in the back as well, right next to like on Dave Grohl's side.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then Laurie Goldston was over to the left on the cello.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I used to be able to see myself. I remember I recorded it and played back a thousand times and I did spot myself at some point. But I don't know if I could do that again. But yeah, we had good seats, we. It wasn't an assigned seat either. It was kind of like first come, first serve, so wherever you were in line outside is kind of where you started to just fill in with the seating. I do recall one of the highlights was probably Cobain walking around. He was just kind of like he was pretty quiet, he was drinking tea. He looked pretty disheveled, he looked pretty frail, but he walked right by us, right in front of us, and I think he was talking to someone behind us because he leaned over, maybe to shake your hand and basically his sweater was like almost in my face.
Speaker 2:I did read that the Cardigan sweater has set a record as the most expensive sweater ever sold, selling for $340,000 at auction in 2019, which to me is just a crazy amount of money to be spending. The guitar that he played was sold for $6 million. Come on, $6 million Again, a ton of money from something that I guess a lot of people think is really iconic. Now, before we go any further, let me just say, in my top five live albums of all time, and not in any particular order, definitely would say this Nirvana Live in New York. Mtv Unplugged. The Rolling Stones Get your Yahyas Out. The Kinks, one For the Road. Those three immediately come to mind. As, in my top five of all time, most of the ones that I like are much older. This is probably the newest live album that I like as much as I do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a great record. It's interesting. I wonder if they planned on a record as they were setting up for the show. I wonder if they really even planned on a record. Probably not right. Maybe because Nirvana the band ended so quickly they put out the material afterwards. Do you know?
Speaker 2:I know that they were looking at doing some sort of double live album and it just never materialized. I think it became an afterthought until the demise of Kurt.
Speaker 2:Cobain in April of 1994. At that point I think they started to think differently. I will say, in April of 1994, I went down to a radio station at Rollins College A friend of mine was a DJ there and kind of talked about Nirvana, kind of talked about Kurt Cobain and did this thing where I played a bunch of songs. I started with Nirvana and then the next song went to Hull, with Courtney Love being the wife of Kurt Cobain, and then everything somehow connected until I came right back into Nirvana. At the end I went to a store down there in Orlando and I actually found a bootleg of the MTV show. So I got a bootleg in April of 1994. Oh, wow, I listened to that CD non-stop. It also had the couple of songs that they did earlier that year at Saturday Night Live in New York City. So I was like this was as good as I thought it was when I saw it in December. But when they released it in November and it just sounded fantastic, so much better the quality, and I just felt like you're actually sitting there Now.
Speaker 2:One of the things that I noticed and I know a lot of other people noticed the way that the stage was set up a lot of flowers, candles burning. You know it's been said in different things that I've read. You know that it was set up like a funeral and that's kind of how Kurt Cobain wanted it to be. I think they added a chandelier. What were your thoughts? As you walked in? And you know you're thinking what You're thinking how they're gonna come out. He's gonna be smashing guitars, he's gonna be whirling and twirling smells like teen spirit and all of a sudden it's very different. What were your initial thoughts there?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, as far as the stage goes, I was not thinking along the lines of a funeral, anything like that, right, nobody expected Cobain to be dead. Within what four months? When was it four months when he passed away?
Speaker 2:right, yeah, so basically about six months later. I guess, if this was November, five months my math is not very good there I've watched enough on plugs where I've seen people just dress the stage differently and whatnot.
Speaker 3:And you know I didn't think twice about really the decoration of it. It looked cool to me. It just looked intimate and cool and I love the candles. Flowers were a nice touch. So I definitely wasn't thinking anything along the lines of you know, some funeral setup.
Speaker 2:But Do you think it's more now, you know? After that we look back and like, oh, it must have been set up that way because he knew something or he felt something. Do you think it's kind of more made up in our minds, you know?
Speaker 3:I think so. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3:I believe that it's fitting now too. Like you know, you can only imagine if that was planned and be like wow, that's unbelievable. But yeah, I don't know, I'm not sure. I didn't perceive it as anything more than just kind of a nice intimate cozy set. You know that they were stepping into Mm-hmm as far as the music and the set list and stuff. I guess I expected some more of the popular songs, because a lot of the songs at the time I didn't really. You know there were covers that I didn't really know. I mean the first two songs I knew about a girl and come as you are, of course, and I know the Bowie song, but there was just some songs I guess I didn't expect to hear. I never heard of the Meat Puppets at that point and they what they did three songs with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so all from the same album. They were all from Meat Puppets 2. And while we're talking about it, you know Kirk Cobain does a much better job singing the songs than what the Meat Puppets did, in my humble opinion, I think, much better job than what they did. I know you mentioned that you didn't know what the set list was going to be like, but it was expecting to hear some of the hits I kind of mentioned. Smells Like Teen Spirit. I bet you were thinking you were going to hear in Bloom Lithium, some of those songs that you didn't get to hear. Yep, now the Meat Puppets again we talk about. You know them not just having three of their songs play, but they actually come out on the stage and they play along. And you have Kurt and Chris Kirkwood that are playing three songs. I think when they were asking for different people to come guests on the show, the Meat Puppets were not the people they were looking for. I'm sure they were looking for somebody else.
Speaker 2:Now, just for the record, the Meat Puppets actually ended up releasing a song in 94. I think it was called Backwater, which was on the radio nonstop. That's a really good song. I like that song. I enjoy that song. I just think that Nirvana does a better job on this album. Of the three songs that they did play, what was your thoughts? Lake of Fire, I really really like that song. I think you know Kurt Cobain when he sings that you really feel like it's coming from him, even though he didn't write it. But it's got one of those songs of feeling his passion about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure I mean. But all the stuff that he did, the covers, I mean the Lead Belly cover, which I'm sure you'll get to as well. You could just hear it in his voice. He put everything into it that night, I feel like I thought he sounded great.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:I had heard I didn't know this then, but I know this now that he was that show was touch and go. For a few moments they weren't sure if he was showing up. If you know, he was apparently going through withdrawals and whatnot and everyone seemed to be nervous around the set. There was definitely like a nervous energy in the room. She kind of didn't know what was going to happen and what was going to go on. But I thought it was just really great and I thought he sounded great and his guitar sounded great. Like it. Just awesome, awesome experience.
Speaker 2:So we talked a little bit about A Girl. I think that song real good song. It was the first single off of this album. It was also on Bleach, I believe, from 1989. Really good song. Nice pop ballad. I enjoy that song. It's actually one of the songs that I listen to the most on my phone because it's the first song on my phone. So every time I plug my phone into the power, that song comes on.
Speaker 2:Nice because of letter A. Letter A the second song that comes on is about a girl from the Paramount Theater that they did in Seattle in October 31st of 1991.
Speaker 3:A different version, I bet right.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I'm not going to sit here and go through all the different songs in order that I have on my phone the 5,000 songs. Yes, come as you are. That's one of those songs that, while I liked it when it came out, it just has kind of been overplayed a little bit for me. I don't really listen to it as much, but I'm sure that the people putting on the show, the producers, mtv were excited that they were playing a song that they knew.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's probably the biggest hit they played right on that night.
Speaker 2:Yes, that would definitely. At the time, that would be the biggest song that they played. The people knew. Now, post-show, I think people might look at it differently, such as myself. Let's get to the next song. Jesus Doesn't Want Me For A Sunbeam song by the Vasileens. I never heard it before the show, but I just love the way that they play that song. I think it's fantastic. I think Chris Novicellich is playing the accordion. It just sounds like a beautiful song and I think they really do it well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sounds great. I did not know that song either, but you know it now I do.
Speaker 2:Hey, the man who sold the world. I liked David Bowie. I did not like that song.
Speaker 3:You didn't like the way they did it?
Speaker 2:No, I didn't like the way David Bowie did it. I didn't like that. I never liked that song. I think Nirvana absolutely kills that song and does such fantastic things with him between the music as well as the voice of Kurt Cobain. That's unbelievable. Again, another one of those songs. You can feel his passion, you can feel what he's singing. Did it come across that way at the show?
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure. I mean all the tracks I think did. But yeah, the Bowie song was great. I love the guitar part. It's just so memorable. It is a strange song and I can see how you're kind of iffy about the original version of it, but yeah, I love the Nirvana version. It was really great. It was great to hear something familiar too.
Speaker 2:I bet it was for those free tickets. You wanted to make sure you got your money's worth. Penny Royal T. I love that song. I thought it was okay on In Yudiro.
Speaker 2:In Yudiro came out in October, so it came out about a month before the show was recorded in New York. I liked it. I thought it was pretty good. I think it is absolutely off the hook If we can still say off the hook in this year when Kurt Cobain does that solo. I think it is so much better. I think his voice while he sings the same way, having it just lowered the volume lowered with that guitar and him solo out of this world, yeah, it's good, I love that song.
Speaker 2:So some of the songs that came through really well at the show as I watched Dumb, which is Off of In Yudiro, which is kind of acoustic to start off with, I thought was a really, really good job. And then on a plane, even though it's an electric song, when they perform it here, it feels like it fits really well. And then something in the way, another acoustic song. So they did a good job of picking some acoustic songs that would work well with the audience. They picked some covers to do that, I think, worked well. But in the end, for me, the biggest song of all and, I think, the biggest song to me of their career when Did you Sleep Last Night which, contrary to what people think, led Belly did not write it, he just made it popular and it actually came out in 1946. Wow, yes, a long time ago. But people have always thought, you know he is the writer of it. It's kind of a traditional American folk song. Many of the musicians have done it, but everybody seems to know the Led Belly version.
Speaker 3:I feel like Jack White has covered Led Belly as well. Right yeah, this kind of guy that would cover that Pearl Jam covered some Led Belly there's a bunch of people that do Led Belly.
Speaker 2:Now, I don't know if you remember, but Kurt Cobain jokes right before they sing that song and he says a guy representing Led Belly estate wanted to sell him Led Belly's guitar for $500,000. All right, I mentioned towards the beginning of the show that Kurt Cobain's guitar from this show sold for $6 million. So it's kind of crazy how much things can change and their value can go up quickly. So when Did you Sleep Last Night? To Me it starts off as any other song, starts to build up and then when you get to that point where he elevates his voice, where you know, with my girl my girl don't lie to me and you just feel like it's coming from the heart, like this song was written by him about some specific thing. While it's not, he makes you believe it.
Speaker 3:Totally, his voice was perfect for that.
Speaker 2:Oh fantastic, it was absolutely fantastic for this. And then when he is singing, you know I shiver the whole night through when he's at that line and then he takes that pause and it's kind of chilling. He's got his eyes closed and all of a sudden they open up and then he belts out night through and then finishes off with the guitar Unbelievable. I mean, just get goosebumps just from listening to that song. His voice fantastic. The guitar, the cello, everything about it was just unbelievable. I think that is definitely in my top 100 songs of all time.
Speaker 3:Nice. How do you play another one after that you?
Speaker 2:can't and you can't. And they got up off the stage and they walked away and they were like we're done, you can't do anything. There's nothing you can do at that point that can top that. At the time of the recording, not knowing the song, did it come across that way to you as well, into the audience?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for sure, you could feel like every word you know. Again, it wasn't familiar, but I knew it wasn't his and I knew it sounded kind of like a perfect cover for him for them to do and just kind of the screaming at the end it felt like it was a finale, you know.
Speaker 2:Yes, and a great one. I listen to that song all the time. I remember getting that bootleg CD and just playing it over and over and over and really enjoying it. And to me you know it's 30 years later I still love the album as much as I did that first time I saw the show in December of 1993. I still get the same feelings. It's unfortunate that Kurt left us in April of 94, but I'm so glad we had that opportunity for this music to be recorded. And whoever would think that Nirvana, some of their best versions of songs were acoustic versions Not me, I would never think that in a million years.
Speaker 3:Yeah me either man.
Speaker 2:They did some wonderful stuff Totally Well. I really appreciate you joining us on the show today. Fantastic having you here. We excited that you're our first guest talking about the show reminiscing about 30 years ago, and you know what your thoughts are and we do appreciate it, chris.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I remember it as much as I could. It's been 30 years so it's a little tough, but it was something really special. As a matter of fact, I have a garage bar here at my house in Maplewood, new Jersey, where I live. Garage bars became like a thing and I have all my ticket stubs from all the concerts and all my press passes. They line the top of my bar and the Nirvana Unplugged Ticket Stub is in there and if the garage ever goes on fire I'm running in to just grab that one stub.
Speaker 2:It's really special. Well, that's great to hear. I'm sure that the rest of your family is excited as much as we are to know what you're going to save. That is great.
Speaker 3:Hey, of course, if no one's in the garage, I go for that.
Speaker 2:There you go yeah.
Speaker 3:But yeah, it's been great to be on the show Bo.
Speaker 2:Hey, I really do appreciate it. Again. Chris Cassidy, emmy winning filmmaker, photographer, if you get a chance, check out his documentary Dennis and Lois, and we need to have you back on the show. We can talk a little bit about Dennis and Lois. I'd also like to talk about side by side, so at some point, you know, we'd love to have you back here and you could become a friend of the show.
Speaker 3:Oh, sounds good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and his website wwwcaspixcom. That's wwwcaspixcom. All right, chris, I appreciate it. Thank you and you have a great rest of your day. Keep up the good work, all right, thank you. All right, see you, buddy. All right, that was great having Chris Cassidy as our first guest on Music in my Shoes. Jimmy, I know people want to hear from you. I know you've been to see Nirvana. What was your experience like?
Speaker 1:Yeah, first, I'm not the first guest. I thought I was the first guest. What am I Side kick? I'm your Ed McMahon, you know in all honesty.
Speaker 2:I thought you were the first guest the first time, but then with you coming back each time, so many people think you're part of the show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just. I've worked my way into a permanent guest slot.
Speaker 2:That you are part of the show. For those of you that don't know out there I get a ton of emails, a ton of text, phone calls. People love Jimmy, think that Jimmy is fantastic. People have asked how long I've known him. I believe today is the fifth time that I've actually met Jimmy. When we released episode one, that was the second time that I met him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't talk about the first time, the first time that we we might have recorded something we might not have, we don't even talk about it.
Speaker 2:We don't talk about the one that's called the Lost Episode.
Speaker 1:The Lost.
Speaker 2:Episode. It's not available out there, but in all honesty I think you just talked about it we're not doing it again, I promise. So that is what makes you not a guest, but I think, sidekick. I didn't know if that sounded good, it doesn't, it doesn't. So I want to introduce Jimmy Guthrie, who is the owner here of Arcade 160 Studios, runs all of the sound, runs this fantastic studio that we're in and makes the podcast available to everyone when he lets me know I've gone too far and I need to re-record my part. So, on that note, in all honesty, jimmy, I know you've been to see Nirvana. What was your experience like?
Speaker 1:So I was living in England in 1992, post-college, and heard that Nirvana was playing at this place called Reading and I was really excited about. Pavement was also on the bill, beastie Boys were also on the bill, bunch of other great bands, mudhoney Teenage Fan Club.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say, wasn't there some other bands from the Seattle scene that we're playing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, l7, nick Cave played, and so it was amazing. It was one of these days that it rained and everything was muddy, and so there was just like this mosh pit of mud up in the front for the whole day and you couldn't help it. If you were anywhere close, you couldn't help but just get covered in mud. And by the end, when Nirvana came on as the headliner, we had moved back, gotten pushed back, so I was kind of further away from the stage by the time they played.
Speaker 1:But you could totally see that Kurt Cobain got brought out in a wheelchair in a hospital gown and the rumors at that time I can't remember specifically what it was, but it was like is Kurt okay? Is he, you know? Does he need medical help or whatever? So he was playing into the rumors and he gets wheeled out, and I think you can see it on the concert video they have now, which is like really surprised me. Oh my God, this show that I saw 30 years ago is now on a concert video. But and then, of course, he pops out of the wheelchair and I think they went into Breed or whatever it was. They like completely knocked it out and they sounded great and did their thing. Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's the exact opposite of the unplugged show. I mean, it was plugged in, it was live, it was guitars, it was everything that you could ask for in a rock and roll show, and kind of like Chris talked about earlier. I mean, kurt Cobain's voice is really built to do so many different things. He can, you know, kind of sing where it's almost a whisper, but then he can scream out a song where it doesn't sound distorted, it doesn't sound bad, it almost makes you wish that you could sing like that, that you could do that. And in a show like that, where it's all electric and he's doing all of that, how can he still be able to sing day after day? How can he still be able to talk? How is that possible?
Speaker 1:And those guys threw it all out there every gig. I mean like they came through Athens when I was living there. I did not go to the show, it was like a midweek show and I had to work, or whatever it was. They played in this tiny club it was the 40 watt, but it was the old location that only held maybe 150 people and at the end of the show they smashed all their equipment. You know like, okay, this isn't, you're not playing an arena, you're not rich, but they were just. They were so rowdy that they smashed all their stuff. And I remember at that redding show that you know they're throwing guitars around and just completely I think it was Chris threw his bass up in the air as high as he could and it just landed on the floor. They were wild.
Speaker 2:They were wild and they were good, and a lot of bands can be wild, a lot of bands can be good, but being able to put those together really makes it exciting, and I think that that's what fans want. The songs could be poppy, but yet they could have this punk undertone to it. They could be loud, they could be not so loud, they were really able to do everything, and I think that that's what people really like about Nirvana yeah and I think like going back to that unplugged show that Chris was at.
Speaker 1:The thing that was so cool about that to me is that they did not try to be a punk band, you know with acoustic guitars. They didn't try to do their usual thing, they reimagined their songs and some covers in the format they actually were one of the truest to the unplugged you know kind of vibe of anybody that did that and that's why it's so good that they really, really embraced it.
Speaker 2:And it's funny that you say that, because I know that Kurt Cobain was interviewed and I don't remember it might have been the beginning of 93, I don't remember, but I think it was a Rolling Stone magazine article and he said that he couldn't imagine doing Nirvana songs ten years from then and having to change the songs to be able to sing them. Because your voice changes, you change and ironically, one of the greatest things they did is when they changed their songs a little bit to play acoustic their way. That's as ironic as you can get from a statement made to a major magazine to what you put out there on display for people to see that again. 30 years later, we're still talking about that.
Speaker 1:Right. I mean, they were true artists. They did it right.
Speaker 2:Well, on that note, I think that's going to be the end of our episode. I appreciate it, Jimmy. I would like to say thank you again to Jimmy Arcade 160 Studios. I'd like to say thank you again to Chris Cassidy CasPixcom, if you're looking for his website. I'd like to thank Vic Thrill for the music throughout our episode and I hope that you all have a wonderful day and we'll talk to you the next time on Music in my Shoes.