Music In My Shoes

E42 High Hopes

Episode 42

We take you on a quirky ride on how the Pink Floyd Division Bell 1994 Tour blimp is connected to Lou Pearlman and his fraud of hundreds of millions of dollars. Buckle up as we unravel this shocking true crime story. 

We remember Greg Kihn who passed away August 13, 2024. We celebrate the 50th anniversary of Steely Dan's "Rikki Don't Lose That Number," 45th anniversary of XTC 'Drums and Wires,' and 30th anniversary of Oasis's "Definitely Maybe." We promise an engaging mix of personal stories, musical reminiscences, and the emotional depth of breakup songs. Join us on this heartfelt journey through music, memories, and a touch of scandal.

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Speaker 1:

He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.

Speaker 2:

He's got the feeling and it's out there growing. Hey everybody, this is Jim Boge, and you're listening to Music In my Shoes. That was Vic Thrill kicking off episode 42. As always, I'm thrilled to be here with you. Let's learn something new or remember something old. So, jimmy, this past weekend I was being a bit lazy and I found some old 2020 episodes on streaming TV. Do you remember 2020? I think it's actually still on Friday nights.

Speaker 1:

Oh, yeah, yeah, I thought you were talking about the year, but yeah, yeah, the show.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the show, the TV show, it's pretty cool. They're all basically true crime stories, but what's kind of cool on the streaming service is that they update it so say something from 2018, they might give you a little blurb at the end that you know this person served 25 years in jail or they're out now or whatever. So, oh yeah, it kind of caught my attention, so I doze off on the couch, I wake up to an episode that they're talking about some guy in his blimp business and naturally that catches my mind. You know, catches my eye. The name of the company is Airship International Limited, and then they show a picture with some of his blimps, a Budweiser Gulf Shamu the Killer Whale. Do you remember the Shamu Killer Whale blimp?

Speaker 1:

I don't necessarily remember the blimp, but I remember the whale.

Speaker 2:

Oh well, good, I'm glad that you remember at least part of it. Yeah, mick Blimp, do you remember Mick Blimp?

Speaker 1:

No, I'm pretty much a Goodyear man.

Speaker 2:

Okay, well, this was not one of them Goodyear was not. But the one that really got me like whoa is the Pink Floyd blimp that they used on the 1994 Division Bell tour and it had those tiki-like faces. Do you remember Division Bell, the album by Pink Floyd? It kind of had those tiki things and you could kind of look at it and it was like faces facing each other. But if you looked at it a different way, the face was facing out at you.

Speaker 1:

Oh, right, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So it had them painted on this blimp and it was all bright colors. It was kind of cool. And when they came to Atlanta the tour came to Atlanta in May of 94, the blimp was kept at the Charlie Brown Airport in Fulton County here in Georgia. Before Pink Floyd used it it had been painted the MetLife blimp with that big Snoopy on it. Oh yeah, at Charlie.

Speaker 1:

Brown Airport.

Speaker 2:

How ironic was this that this blimp that used to be Snoopy is now at the Charlie Brown Airport. It was actually, you know, kind of cool there. At the time I worked across from the Chattahoochee River, so the airport was on Fulton County. I worked across the river in Cobb County and so a few days you got to see it land take off up in the air.

Speaker 2:

It was kind of cool, took some pictures of it and the day of the show when I went to see them, unfortunately the weather was overcast, it was misty, so the blimp was grounded. You didn't get to actually see the blimp at the show at Bobby Dodd Stadium, which is on the Georgia Tech campus. So as far as the Division Bell, I'm not a big fan of the album. I like the song High Hopes and that's about it. And I remember some friends saying to me how can you not like it? It's Floyd. And my answer was like I like songs because they're good, not because a band sings it. Right, you know, have you had people say that?

Speaker 1:

Well, not about Pink Floyd but, like as a Ramones fan, you definitely do not like all the late Ramones albums, but you still love the Ramones.

Speaker 2:

True, and that's, I think, with a lot of bands that stay together for a long time, Without a doubt, I would definitely agree with you on that.

Speaker 1:

And the live shows were still great. And the live Pink Floyd shows and Roger live shows were still great. And the live Pink Floyd shows and Roger Waters shows were still great. But the new material isn't always the best.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and speaking of that, despite that and the weather, it was still a good show. It really was Specifically the second set and the encore, with 11 of the last 12 songs being classic Pink Floyd songs. I think half of the you know. I think they played like nine songs the first set and half of them were for the new album and it's just like all right, come on now, let's go, let's move. You know, but they did play Shine on you, crazy Diamond, parts one through five, breathe Time. Wish you Were here. Money, comfortably Numb, like I said, the classic Pink Floyd songs. So I mentioned I had woken up to this old episode of 2020, and they're talking about this guy who owned Blimps. His name was Lou Pearlman and I said who, and I see the look on your face for the listeners at home. Jimmy's just giving me a look like who.

Speaker 2:

Just like I said. Well, I definitely found out all about him. He was a scammer, he was a con artist, he ran a $300 million Ponzi scheme, he pled guilty to money laundering and conspiracy and oh, by the way, he was the guy behind the Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. Oh man.

Speaker 1:

While I'm not a fan If the scams weren't bad enough. Listen, that's over the edge to crime at that point.

Speaker 2:

I agree with you. Yeah, now, I'm not a fan of either group, but I found the story captivating. You kept saying to yourself this cannot really be happening. But ultimately I really felt sad for all of the people who trusted in him, because the people that he got money from in this scam were mostly friends or people that worked for him, their family members, and they gave him roughly $300 million. And not only did they give it to him, they lost it, they lost all of that money. They lost all of that money and you know it was sad but to see what this guy was able to do and fake everybody out for so long. And it really started with this blimp business that he then made into another business and then to another business and to another business and he got the blimp business. Get this he starts the blimp business by leasing a blimp to Jordache. Remember Jordache, jeans?

Speaker 1:

Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And he gets the money from them. He's going to put it up. He doesn't even have a blimp. He buys the pieces to make the blimp. After he gets it and it crashes I think the first time that he puts it up in the air. But through insurance he gets like $2 or $3 million and that's the beginning of all of his scams. Wow, all of his schemes, all of the things that he did, all of his schemes, all of the things that he did. It took $3 million to get the Backstreet Boys from picking them to getting them to be with choreographers and voice coaches and the whole nine yards for them to be who they were.

Speaker 1:

And he got that from the insurance scam or whatever.

Speaker 2:

By that time he had other from the insurance scam or whatever. Well, he, by that time he had other scams that were going on. Yeah, His Ponzi scheme, but it took $3 million. I mean $3 million. I would be as good as Joe Rogan if someone was, you know, front to me.

Speaker 1:

$3 million, you know what I'm saying. I think you're better than Joe Rogan, just for the record. Well, thank you.

Speaker 2:

I appreciate that You're welcome, but the story was unbelievable. I had never heard it before and sometimes, when I never heard of something, it boggles my mind Like how did I miss this? I know I don't like the Backstreet Boys, I don't like NSYNC. I will say, for the record, I do think Justin Timberlake is extremely talented. I've seen him do some things on Saturday Night Live and some things with Jimmy Fallon that I find funny. I think that he is very, very talented. But what I also find pretty cool is that when NSYNC sued to get away from Lou Perlman, that they called that first album album. Afterwards, no Strings Attached and the first song was called Bye, bye, bye. Oh, okay so. But again there's that human side, the sad side of all these people who believed and put all of their money into it.

Speaker 2:

Lou Pearlman was found guilty. He was going to serve 25 years in prison and in 2016, he died in prison. He was sick and I don't remember exactly what had happened, but it was kind of cool for one minute. I'm seeing this blimp about Pink Floyd and I'm like, oh, this brings me back to 30 years ago and this show and all of this. And then the next minute I'm finding out about this guy who scammed people. I think he scammed banks out of $200 million I think it ended up being like $500 million that he got from people. It was called the Hitman from Pop to Prison or something like that, but it was really interesting and I definitely found the 2020 episodes that I watched all weekend long were very interesting.

Speaker 2:

On August 13th 2024, greg Kin, singer and guitarist for the Greg Kin Band, passed away from complications of Alzheimer's disease. His biggest hit was the song Jeopardy. That reached number two on the Billboard Hot 100 singles in May of 1983. In 1984, weird Al Yankovic did a parody of the song called I Lost on Jeopardy. It's about the game show Jeopardy, even getting Don Pardo to speak on the song. You remember, don Pardo? He had that voice.

Speaker 2:

He actually is on the song and you know Don Pardo did a ton of stuff for you know Saturday Night Live there's a Don Pardo and you know I can't do the voice but you get the idea of what I'm doing, but he did a ton of stuff. He got him on this Jeopardy parody but to me that song was okay to listen to but didn't really excite me. It was a huge dance song, jeopardy. And again, I listened to it while I was driving here, just to make sure I'm not really sure where you get the dancing out of it, you know, but it was a huge dance song.

Speaker 2:

The breakup song from 1981 to me was an incredible song. Great music, great words. When I play that song in my car, like I did today, I crank up that volume. Still, it's a great convertible song. I used to have some convertibles when I was younger. Great song to be playing. I know we say music is not a competition but in my opinion the breakup song far exceeds Jeopardy. Breakup song only reached number 15 on the Billboard Hot 100 in September 81. I can't believe that. Like, how did Jeopardy do so much better?

Speaker 1:

I think people were just into that type of song at that time. Like you remember that Steve Miller song. It was kind of his worst hit, abracadabra. Abracadabra, that's a lot like that Jeopardy song. They're both just kind of like. You can just kind of tap your feet, you can play it at the grocery store, you can play it at the grocery store, you can play it at the orthodontist's office, and you know. Just tepid rock and roll.

Speaker 2:

I gotcha. What did you think of the breakup song? I don't remember the breakup song. We had broken up for good just an hour before. Uh-uh-uh, uh-uh-uh.

Speaker 1:

Oh, okay, that is a good song. They don't write them like that anymore.

Speaker 2:

They don't. Yeah, I remember hearing that and I think that song, you know it's one of those songs. Like I said, it came out in 1981, and obviously I was a much younger lad back at that time and you can really relate to it as far as you're going, you know, through high school romances and so forth, and really feel what he's feeling in that song, like I Lost on Jeopardy. To me is I lost on Jeopardy, jeopardy, not the Weird Al song Jeopardy. I feel, yes, it's a song about you know, potentially breaking up, but you don't feel it from the heart the way you feel the breakup song. You know it's a whole different thing, even though they're about similar experiences. The breakup song to me is just like, wow, you know. Yeah, he knows what I'm going through and I love songs like that. We've talked about that before. When I can feel that, can you hear that, jimmy? I can feel it.

Speaker 1:

That's Jim's chest, by the way, guys.

Speaker 2:

Yes, when I can feel that those are the songs that stay with me forever. And again, I think that's much better than Jeopardy, much better than anything else he did. Rest in peace and, like Jimmy said no, greg, they don't write them like that anymore. August 18th 2024, former daytime talk show host Phil Donahue passed away. He started his show in 1967 in Dayton, ohio. The show ended up moving to Chicago and then at some point moved over to New York. It went nationwide in 1970 and it lasted until 1996. My grandmother, nan, as we called her, absolutely loved Phil Donahue and, as we called her, absolutely loved Phil Donahue, loved the show and would always watch it. So if you were at her house and Donahue came on, everything stopped. That was it. She went in the back TV room Donahue's on Nothing until the show's over. Like you could talk to her during a commercial, yeah, but you couldn't talk to her while the show was on, you know.

Speaker 2:

So eventually she gets tickets to go to the Donahue show. Oh cool, you know, like I said it would move to New York City. It was filming there. So she's going to be an audience member during the taping of the show. So my grandfather records it on his VHS recorder, vhs tape. And he says your grandmother, you can see her while Donahue's talking. So the whole family, we all go over to my grandparents one night and we're watching. He starts it from the beginning. He won't tell us when. He's like you got to watch, you know. He won't tell us what happened, nothing. We start at the beginning. Now, it's painful. I have absolutely no use for Phil Donahue. I'm just not like a talk show daytime guy. One topic you know getting the audience involved, and you know it was kind of— and you know he invented all that.

Speaker 2:

He invented all that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And at the time to me, like what is this? This is not what I'm used to, you know, like I like a Johnny Carson type thing at the time. Yeah, so we're watching. I remember I'm laying on the floor, you know all relatives are on couches, and then you see Phil Donahue and above his shoulder, sitting in the audience, is my grandmother, 100% sound asleep, out like a light, her head kind of tilted to the side, and that was her 15 minutes of fame being on Phil Donahue and being caught sleeping. Oh man, and my grandmother passed away 15 years ago and you know I've always remembered that. And, like I said, you know Phil Donahue passed away a few days ago and it brought me right back to that moment with my grandmother. So thank you, phil, for that moment and I know that my grandmother is glad to see you up in heaven with her. That's right, ricky, don't lose that number.

Speaker 2:

Single Peaks at number four on the Billboard Hot 100, august 3rd of 1974. 50 years ago for Steely Dan to have that song. Now, that was a huge song. When I was a kid, it was on the radio all of the time and I knew all the words to it because it was on the radio all of the time. Even then, I thought the sound quality of the song was so superior to so many songs of the day Like it definitely stood out, whether it was the guitars playing or the vocals, or even like the drums. Everything just was, like you know, super crisp For sure, very, very different. Jeff Skunk Baxter played the guitar solo on the song and we spoke about him on episode 33 because he played the lead guitar on Donna Summer's Hot Stuff. He also did the lead on here and shortly after this album he left and he joined the Doobie Brothers. This guy played on a ton of stuff, did a lot of good stuff. So, jimmy, what do you think of the song?

Speaker 1:

I like it. Yeah, it reminds me of being a kid. It was just lots of good memories of that song.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean it takes me right back to being a kid and I don't know why it was like this song. That just was like wow, I don't know why, but it was just something else and I mean I still listen to it and you can still put it on now and you can hear what I'm talking about. It's just recorded so much differently than other stuff and I know that they wanted to be super professionals and, as a matter of fact, I think after this album they decided that they were only going to do studio albums and they weren't going to tour, kind of like the Beatles were doing, where they could just perfect stuff. But man, that was a good song, Yep, and I'm glad, Jimmy, you didn't lose my number.

Speaker 1:

Me too. You could have called somebody and gotten. I could have gotten your number if I'd lost it. But we have a mutual friend that I could have gotten your number if I did lose it, so it wouldn't have been a total loss.

Speaker 2:

But I guess you're right about that, you know.

Speaker 1:

By the way, send it off in a letter to yourself. Do you know what that means? A self-addressed stamped envelope, oh so you don't know what's going on in the song. So in the old days, the way that you could do a cheap copyright on a song that you've written was to send a letter to yourself with the song written out on a piece of paper in it, and then don't open it.

Speaker 2:

And then, if somebody comes along and says I wrote that song.

Speaker 1:

You've got the postmark on the envelope and you take that into the judge or whoever and say check this out. How could this have happened if I didn't write it? And so that's what he's saying Don't lose that number, that song that you wrote. Send it off in a letter to yourself.

Speaker 2:

I didn't say I knew what it meant. I only said I knew the words, but I did not know that. That's pretty awesome. Yeah, have you ever done that, jimmy?

Speaker 1:

I have not, but I've registered some things with ASCAP and there are modern ways to do it besides sending it off in a letter to yourself.

Speaker 2:

That's a great line. Even with you just saying it and explaining it, that's pretty cool. Thanks, I do like that. Xtc Drums and Wires Album comes out August 17th 1979. All right, what I really find interesting about this album it was recorded from June 25th through July of 1979, and it comes out August 17th 1979. Basically 54 days from the start of recording until it comes out. That's an incredibly quick start to finish to release. You know albums usually take multiple months and years to record and then months and years to mix and release. When you look at albums in a whole, you know U2 takes tons of years to do stuff. Pink Floyd, you know, in the 80s was taking years to do stuff but to do in 54 days from we start we got everything done, it's mixed, it's all ready to and it's released for a good album.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

What are your thoughts on that, Jimmy?

Speaker 1:

No, that's incredibly fast, Like I had no idea that they did it that fast.

Speaker 2:

They did. It was produced by Steve Lillywhite and he produced Suzy and the Banshees right before. After this album, he went on to produce the Psychedelic Furs, peter Gabriel, u2, and then so many other bands and artists in the years to come. I used to love stuff by Steve Lillywhite.

Speaker 1:

Oh, me too yeah.

Speaker 2:

Album leads off with Making Plans for Nigel. A pretty cool drum into guitar intro. We're only making plans for Nigel, we only want what's best for him. A song as parents, kind of laying out your child's future and I know you have children and I have children. Have you ever done that, jimmy, where you're kind of like at some point you're like, oh, let me, let me, this is what you want to do when you grow up and you want to do.

Speaker 2:

And that's what this whole song is about. And talking about you know, he says he's happy, so he must be happy and not really finding out, is he happy, is this the life that he wants, and whatever, and I understand it. I sometimes think that, you know, my parents did that with me and at times do it with my own children. I think it's a natural instinct, you know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think there was a bigger generation gap. I don't know, maybe there's not, but it seemed like with our parents' generation to us or to people, xtc's age, there was kind of that. Like you know, we just want what's best for our child, but then the kids are thinking you know nothing about me, I'm a completely different. You know generation and the parents are kind of out of touch. And the parents are kind of out of touch and I think parents can be a little bit more involved in their kids' lives and know like, oh yeah, you want to do this thing, I'm going to help you do that thing, rather than just saying you're going to law school, you know.

Speaker 2:

And that was Dr Jimmy. You can hear him every Thursday.

Speaker 1:

That was good, Jimmy.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, I agree with you. I definitely agree with you. You know. I think that you know, sometimes kids just want to do what they want to do. I mean, I wanted to do certain things. It didn't mean it was what my parents wanted. I think that they put it through really well in this song Making plans for Nigel. It could have been making plans for Jim, or making plans for nigel, it could have been making plans for jim or making plans for jimmy.

Speaker 1:

Well, shonen knife did a song that was based off the lyrics of that song, called bear up bison, and I don't know if it was just partly because they spoke japanese as a first language and maybe there was some confusion of nigel and bison. But but they said, we're only making plans for I think it's Dirty, dirty Bison. We only want what's best for him.

Speaker 2:

So they're Ted Turner. You know Ted Turner has the place that cooks the bison.

Speaker 1:

Right, yeah, Ted's Montana Grill.

Speaker 2:

Ted's Montana Grill. Maybe they play the Shonen Knife song there.

Speaker 1:

Who knows?

Speaker 2:

Maybe, who knows, helicopter Drums and guitar that pull you into the song Witty lyrics as well. I first heard this on a mixtape. Now let me just say mixtape. I always called it mixed M-I-X-E-D tape, when it's really just called mixtape M-I-X-T-A-P-E.

Speaker 1:

That's a reasonable mistake, yeah.

Speaker 2:

But so this mixtape by this guy, terrell, and he was into bands that you didn't really hear on the radio. He liked the Dead Kennedys, gang of Four, the Damned, and he'd make these tapes and you always wanted to get a hold of one of them. So, like you know, I didn't know him until I was older, but when he would make these tapes when I was in he was a little older than me when I was in high school someone would be like, oh, I just got this new Terrell tape and I'm going to listen to it and everything.

Speaker 2:

I'm like, hey, I got a dual tape recorder, so let me know so I can copy it, because you always were guaranteed to hear at least 75% of the songs you never heard before. Some of them would be bands you knew, but you just never heard of the song. He just had such a huge category of music that he listened to. It was just really cool. He had a mixer so he would take one song as as it was ending and then cue up the other song so it would just start, which to me. I only thought of that, for you know dance songs. And now here you've got the dead kennedy's ending and all of a sudden it going into um depeche mode or something like it was just super cool the way that he did everything. It was kind of like it was a professional tape, but we all know it as a terrell tape and I still talk to some of my friends where a buddy of mine, paul, oh yeah, I like, oh yeah, I was listening to a Tommy Terrell tape Like they're just these, you know these precious things, and they definitely take you back to a time that you couldn't hear that music on the radio but you could find it on the Terrell tape. Very cool.

Speaker 2:

July 12th 1989, jones Beach Theater, wontore, new York Sugar Cubes, public Image Limited, new Order, new Order being the headliner, I was sitting far away at the top and I remember thinking to myself, while I was watching Public Image Limited, that I had seen them in small places previously and I had been relatively close and thinking why am I all the way back here? And then thinking, while I'm watching New Order, that I had seen them in 1987, two years earlier, at the same theater at Jones Beach and I was like 11th row. Now I'm all the way at the top, really far away, and it just wasn't a good show to me because I was so far away after being so used to being so close to to some of these bands and it's no fault of theirs, you know, it just was not what I was hoping for. Are there bands that you would listen to, that you saw close? And then all of a sudden, you find yourself as they get bigger, you're going further and further behind.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I had to kind of learn that I don't like seeing bands from far away, like I sure saw the Rolling Stones. You know, in that stadium we were on the field but you're still really far from the stage. But I'll do that because that's the only way I'm going to see the Rolling Stones. But for most bands I want to get up close if I can at all afford the tickets, because so many of the bands that I love I can see in small venues because they're not that popular, lucky you, when I saw U2 on the Joshua Tree tour I had nosebleed seats and I hated it and I actually didn't listen to U2 for like 10 years after that.

Speaker 1:

It was really weird. Two, for like 10 years after that it was really weird. But I, I just kind of I was so removed from when I'd seen the unforgettable fire tour a year earlier year and a half, whatever that was Um, I snuck down and I was up close and I you know it was just this amazing emotional experience. And then just watching it from far away, I'm like I don't, like I've never sat up in the upper deck of an arena show again I saw you two at radio city music hall in 1984.

Speaker 2:

I was on the floor so I was pretty close. And then, if you go to 1992, I saw you two at the georgia dome, and again I'm all the way at the top. I couldn't even see them. I had no idea if that was really the band I could hear the music. Yeah, you could barely even see any of the video screens. And then a couple of weeks later I ended up going to Birmingham to see U2, but I got seats on the floor and at least I felt much closer. It was just so much better.

Speaker 1:

They played the same exact songs, the sound is better, just the energy is better. It's just a completely different experience.

Speaker 2:

Definitely, without a doubt. So the Sugar Cubes if you don't know them, their big song at the time was Birthday. I'm not a big fan of that song at all. It just doesn't do a whole lot for me. Public Image Limited was touring for the Nine album. We talked about that not that long ago on the show New Order. They're touring for the Technique album and some of the songs they played were Ceremony, temptation, bizarre, love Triangle, the Perfect Kiss, blue Monday. But in the end I think, because of where I was, it just wasn't the same. Right, just wasn't the same.

Speaker 2:

So August 8th 1994, the single Live Forever comes out. And the song came out and it blew me away the first time I heard it. It was the right song at the right time for me and quite honestly, at the time I wanted to live forever. I still do, but seriously, I mean I do but I don't. But at the time I wanted to and I was like how do I make it so I'm not forgotten when I'm gone? And this was something that you know was was on my mind and it kind of really bothered me. It really did. And this song comes out One day I just make the decision I'm going to live forever each day and make the best of it, and that's what I do, and I try to just live life that way and it's probably the best thing that I ever did, because I was consumed with how do I make sure that I'm not forgotten. And to some people you probably don't care, you know, if you're dead then it doesn't matter. But to me I just wanted to be remembered. I didn't want my life to be in vain and that it was for nothing, and that's just kind of the way that I thought about it. But now I live forever each day, I enjoy each day. It's the me world tour, every day and every year. So it came from the album Definitely Maybe, which was released in August 29th, the end of the month, and Supersonic was the first single that came out in April 1994. And that was a great song. It really was. I thought that was an unbelievable song until Live Forever came out and it kind of, you know, surpassed it for me.

Speaker 2:

So we've mentioned before that they were heavily Beatle-influenced. There's no doubt about it how much they liked the Beatles when they were recording the album, when they were recording the different songs you know talking about, you know Yellow Submarines and the vocals and the harmonizing and the background vocals that they were trying to do like John Paul and George Background vocals that they were trying to do like John Paul and George, so supersonic Liam Gallagher's vocals were recorded in one take. One take, that was it and it just. You go back and you listen to it from that perspective and you're like how did this guy do this in one take, like they're so good. How did he manage not to make a mistake? How did he manage to make it perfect one take. You know that's cool.

Speaker 2:

First song on the album rock and roll star. My daughter jessica she's like a year old when the album comes out and back then when you would play albums, you know you had to listen to the whole thing. You weren't going back and picking the turntable up. I still have the record and I have it on CD. The opening song, rock and Roll Star. She would hear it so much that it became one of the first songs that she would sing the chorus with.

Speaker 2:

Tonight I'm a rock and roll star. Tonight I'm a rock and roll star. And you're hearing it from this kid that's just over a year old and it was just so cool. Shaker Maker sounds a lot like the song I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing in Perfect Harmony. So you remember that they used it in a Coke commercial. So Oasis had to change it. But I can't imagine what changes they made because when I listen to it it still sounds dead on for that song. So there was going to be a lawsuit and they were supposed to change some stuff. I don't know what they did.

Speaker 1:

Maybe they just paid the people that had the rights to the other song.

Speaker 2:

I don't know, because it still sounds a whole lot like it.

Speaker 1:

I know, maybe they paid them.

Speaker 2:

So they said it's all right, it's like vanilla ice paying uh, queen, or whatever yeah, I think it's a great album columbia digsies diner married with children 30th anniversary edition, released on august 30th 2024, with some different studio takes of the songs, so that there sounds like it will be something that's pretty cool. And speaking of pretty cool, I think right now it's time for Minute with Jimmy. It's time for Minute with Jimmy. Minute with Jimmy. Minute with Jimmy. It's time for Minute with Jimmy. Minute with Jimmy.

Speaker 1:

Minute with Jimmy Timer starts Today. I'm talking about the 30th anniversary of the Sebado album Bake Sale. Sebado was one of my two favorite bands from the 90s. The others Pavement and their early albums were pretty hard for people to get into. They layered a lot of noise onto their songs but I loved those. But this album really had some songs that were accessible to more mainstream alternative fans. It has a song called Skull. That's a good one that you can start with. License to Confuse Magnets. Coil Rebound is a really good one and it still sounds like Sebado. They're a lo-fi kind of punk-influenced band, but Lou Barlow plays in Dinosaur Jr as well, and so they got a little bit of that ethos in there and yeah.

Speaker 2:

You're getting good timing it there. Jimmy Lou Barlow, he was in Folk Implosion also. Yes, that song Natural One I think it was that was on the kids soundtrack, I believe I don't know anything from Sebado, but I'll take a look. I'll take a listen and see if I can learn something new, because I'm definitely not going to remember anything old with it. Well, very cool, jimmy. I appreciate that. It's always good for Minute with Jimmy, minute with Jimmy, minute with Jimmy, minute with Jimmy. Well, that's it for episode 42 of Music in my Shoes. I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie, show producer and owner of Arcade 160 Studios located here in Atlanta, georgia, and Vic Thrill for our podcast music. This is Jim Boge, and I hope you learned something new or remembered something old. We'll meet again on our next episode. Until then, live life and keep the music playing. Thank you.

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