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E71 The Wall and The Spirit of Radio
The legendary sounds of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2)" come alive as we explore this revolutionary anthem that dominated airwaves and captivated a generation in 1980. This cultural phenomenon wasn't just a song – it was everywhere, playing in homes, game rooms, and wherever young people gathered to shout "We don't need no education!"
Delving into the innovative construction of the track, we unpack how Pink Floyd boldly incorporated a disco beat at a time when the genre was fading, creating something utterly transcendent with David Gilmour's guitar work and that unforgettable children's choir. The conceptual origins of "The Wall" reveal Roger Waters' growing alienation from audiences, which sparked his radical idea to build an actual wall between band and crowd during performances.
Our musical journey through March 1980 continues with explorations of Pat Benatar's "Heartbreaker," Van Halen's "Women and Children First" album, The Cure's "A Forest," and Rush's "The Spirit of Radio." Each track represents the incredible boundary-pushing innovation happening across music as a new decade dawned.
Whether you're rediscovering these classics or hearing these stories for the first time, this episode connects personal memories with musical milestones in ways that will have you reaching for your air guitar – or perhaps practicing your air drums with the proper technique! Join us for this nostalgic yet fresh look at some of rock's most transformative moments.
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He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2:He's got the feeling and it's out there growing. Hey everybody, this is Jim Boge and you're listening to Music In my Shoes. That was Vic Thrill kicking off episode 71. As always, I'm thrilled to be here with you. Let's learn something new or remember something old you, yes, you stand still, jimmy, I'm sitting. Well, sit still for me. Then. March 22nd 1980, pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall.
Speaker 2:I knew that's what you were talking about, by the way, part two peaked at number one on Billboard Hot 100, remained there for four weeks, so you knew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, if you don't eat your meat?
Speaker 2:You can't have any pudding.
Speaker 1:How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Speaker 2:This is another one of those songs that seemed to be on the radio all the time in 1980. And not just on the radio. If you went to someone's house, this song was on. If you went to the game room I don't know if you had game rooms, of course you know you went to the game room in 1980. Yeah, boom, this song was on. It was on everywhere and I love the song. But I think that when you have a song that starts off with we don't need no education, we don't need no thought control. It's like every young kid wants to play this song and be like listen to me.
Speaker 1:Right, I was in the sixth grade and I was shouting that. You know the top of my lungs so I was gonna ask.
Speaker 2:I mean, so did you? You like the song?
Speaker 1:yeah that is good, I like that I like a lot of the stuff on the wall it's a good album.
Speaker 2:it really is so. On this song with roger waters you know his vocals and dav Gilmour you know them combined sounds fantastic. Gilmour's outstanding guitar work in the song and this unexpected disco beat how could it not end up being one of their most popular songs?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they managed to pull off a disco beat without it being a disco song.
Speaker 2:Right. Is it a disco beat? Or it is a disco beat For sure. Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1:But it was kind of at a time when everybody knew that disco was on the decline, like they didn't care. They're like no, we like this beat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and a lot of rock bands around 1980 were like, hey, let's do this, it's in decline, but the kids will like it, so let's just do it. So I remember when it came out how I would work on my air guitar for hours on end of playing the song, the guitar part. But in my mind how it goes the guitar part, but in my mind how it goes, because I don't play guitar Right, so I don't know exactly everything that happens to make the different sounds, but in my head you interpreted that.
Speaker 2:And I mastered that interpretation. I was like, look at me, I'm playing the song so that you can watch me air guitar to it, and not just air guitar, not just do that, but make the faces that people make you know when they're doing. You know ba-da-dow, you know like you know he's squinting his eyes and leaning back people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so. So wait a minute. You practiced it so other people could watch you do it. Did they enjoy this? I don't think so, or did you just enjoy it? I?
Speaker 2:think they kept saying oh man, you're really good at that. I absolutely loved it because I was like look at me, you can't do this because you don't practice as hard as I do. Now, maybe I should have just practiced on a real guitar, but I didn't. I decided I was going to master the air guitar part Now. After that, after that and I'm like I am so good at this then I learned how to do the air bass In my mind, how the bass should be.
Speaker 2:I'm not joking, and just so you know, I spent last night in my kitchen trying to remember all the parts and the way everything went. I'm not kidding with you, it's the truth, and I'm like I get now when you see bands or musicians that are older and they need to have, you know, the teleprompters and everything, because I forgot certain parts, like how, in my mind, they're supposed to go, and I kind of understand now I get it, I get it. So I think the addition of the children's choir gives it an element that is just out of this world, because, being a young kid you were a young kid at the time too you almost feel like you could be one of those kids singing the song. And you are singing the song along with them. You know everything about this. Song is just awesome. Now I had heard Tony Tennille from the Captain and Tennille oh, love Will Keep Us Together. Uh-huh, muskrat Love.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That's got to be one of the worst songs ever. Muskrat Love.
Speaker 1:Oh, my gosh Okay.
Speaker 2:I do love.
Speaker 1:My wife loves it, by the way. It just reminds her of being a little kid.
Speaker 2:Does it really? Yeah, that's a great song. I really like that song. Anyway, true story. I thought she was part of the choir and that she was directing the kids how to sing, and I just found out 45 years later that she had nothing to do with that song whatsoever. Later that she had nothing to do with that song whatsoever. She's on the album. She sings backup vocals on four songs her and Bruce Johnston from the Beach Boys. She was actually backing up the Beach Boys back in the day, and something that I have believed for all these years was not the truth.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, you learn something new.
Speaker 2:You do, but you could not go look on the internet 45 years ago, couldn't look it up in a book.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It wasn't something to find out how many people.
Speaker 1:Do you think you told that Tony Tennille was the leader of the choir on that?
Speaker 2:I have probably told enough that most people think that's the truth. Yeah, because I heard it from a DJ 45 years ago and again I've said it before on the show. You hear something from a DJ back then it's as good as gold and I have been telling people that forever and people you know have heard me say that and I am wrong. So I just wanted to publicly say I am wrong about it.
Speaker 1:You think the DJ has some sort of a team of researchers behind him that's feeding perfect information? They're just saying stuff.
Speaker 2:At the time, I did not know that yeah we didn't, I didn't know, you know no, there was no team, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, some DJs would put on Iron Butterfly and A Gala De Vida when they had to go to the bathroom, just because it was a long song. Well, that's smart, I guess it is smart. But speaking of smart, not only was there another Brick in the Wall Part 2, I guess you can assume that it was Part 1, but there was also Part 3. So on the album the Wall, which came out November 30th 1979, and I believe it actually came out like a week later in the US, it's kind of contradicting information with it. I've always thought it was November 30th in my head, that's what it's been, but I have seen in some places that it came out a week later. We don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, you might've had a record store that got the import sooner Maybe.
Speaker 2:And it could have been so. On the album you have another brick in the wall, part one, followed by the Happiest Days of Our Lives, then Another Brick in the Wall, part two, and then there's like six more songs before they get to Another Brick, part three. Now I think Happiest Days should have been the beginning of Another Brick in the Wall, part two. That's where it starts off with the helicopter and it goes into the whole thing. Like to me, the song really starts there. And that helicopter song, you know, back in the day they didn't have. You know, what do you have now today, jimmy? You just push a button, you get a sound. You know you can just buy sounds.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, yeah, you could get them, though, as like in a studio. They had LPs with sound effects on them.
Speaker 2:You're right, they did have that. But in this case they sent an engineer to Edwards Air Force Base in California and said hey, just record helicopters and planes. Record Helicopters and Planes. And when you listen to that helicopter it sounds so real because it is. But the way that they put it on that album, you think that helicopter is above you, whether you're in a car or in your home or wherever you may be, like it's right there. They do such a great job with it. I was in the car with my youngest daughter the other day and I sequenced my phone to play all three parts of Another Brick with Happiest Days and she says to me are we going to listen to the same song all night? And I started laughing. I'm like it's not the same song.
Speaker 1:It's part one, part two, part three she goes, it's not the same song.
Speaker 2:It's part one, part two, part three. She goes no, it's the same song. So the album has its roots during Pink Floyd's 1977 In the Flesh tour, and Roger Waters thought that there was a gap between the band and the audience and that, to him, audience wasn't really listening to the music and in his mind he was like you know what I'd really like? To build a wall on stage between the band and the audience, where maybe we don't even necessarily need to see them that we're playing, and that he doesn't have to listen to people talk and doing whatever it is. You know they'll get up to go to the bathroom during certain songs, and that was the beginning.
Speaker 1:And I got a DeVito often, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:That was the beginning of the Wall, and the Wall ends up becoming this concept album, double album. You know a guy who builds a wall around himself and his mind against anything or anyone that has done him wrong and he just becomes more antisocial as the album goes on and then in his mind he feels guilty and then there's a trial and then he's told to tear down the wall and it's just unbelievable that they could put all this together. It is so cool. The way that they take the helicopter, they have a plane, they have televisions on in the background, phones ringing operators, like all these different things to help make this concept a reality is so freaking cool to me, like I would have never thought to do all those things. You know, you think that, uh, a song is, it starts, it ends and that's it has the musical instruments in it, but not necessarily all this other imagery right through sound and it's just so cool because I can't imagine the album without all of that.
Speaker 2:That helps to make everything that this album is, and I'm not going to go through all the songs, because there's a ton of songs. Like I said, a double album. But, mother, goodbye Blue Sky, goodbye Blue Sky, actually Sky. Actually Roger Waters, son Harry. He's like a toddler and he says something in the beginning of it look, mommy, there's an airplane in the sky. Harry actually was in Roger Waters touring band and at some point Roger just decided he wants some new musicians and he fired them all, including his son. He's like, hey, merry Christmas, but I want you to know you're not in the band anymore. I'm going to go in a different direction.
Speaker 1:I mean Hardcore.
Speaker 2:Hardcore, but Young Lust one of my turns hey you, is there anybody out there, nobody Home which is probably one of the saddest songs that I've ever heard. Unbelievable song, very, very good song. If you're not familiar with that song, it's not very Pink Floyd-like, Very sad. Give it a listen. Comfortably numb, run like hell. I could go on forever. I'm not, but man, what a great album.
Speaker 1:A lot of great songs on there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like the radio just kept playing all these songs because there was so many to choose from. You know, just played and played and played. Peaked at number one on Billboard 200 January 19th 1980, and remained there through the end of April 1980. So again, everybody's buying it, radio's playing it, one of the best-selling albums of all time. We've mentioned that before.
Speaker 2:But what's really cool is the wall tour. It was only in four cities in 1980 and 1981. Seven shows in LA, where it opened up, five shows at the Nassau Coliseum in Uniondale, new York, 16 shows in London and eight shows in Dortmund, germany, or it was known then as West Germany. That's how long ago this was. That's how long ago this was and the, the stage they would build up with, you know, these bricks and do all kinds of stuff and shadows and all of the illustrations that you see in the movie coming to life. I mean, they just did all these really, really cool things, except they couldn't transfer it all over the place. You know, you couldn't drive to the next city and they only played in those four and they lost a ton of money on the tour, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:And they did the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they did the movie in. I want to say, in 1982 the movie came out. So again, this is one of those things where you had the wall and the albums out and then it's going on forever, and then the movie and it just seemed like the wall was around forever. But you know what? It was really cool. June 17th 1981 was the last full concert of all four members of Pink Floyd. They did get together in 2005. They did a couple of songs or so at Live 8, but the last time they did a full concert, june 17, 1981. Wow, jesse Colin Young, singer for the band the Youngbloods, died on March 16, 2025.
Speaker 2:Best known for the 67th song Get Together, come on, people now. Smile on your brother. Everybody, get together, try to love one another right now. I saw him as a special guest of Steve Miller in August 2021. And it was cool. You know he at that was cool. You know he at that time. You know he's probably in his real late 70s, he could still sing. You know he had a guitar he could play and it was cool. I know that they only had this one song, but it's one of those songs. If you like the 60s, you know that song oh yeah, you know, yeah, iconic song definitely hey on the good.
Speaker 2:Was that in?
Speaker 1:the Forrest Gump soundtrack. It feels like it would have been. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that it might have been On the good news front.
Speaker 2:Matt Pinfield, who had a stroke in January, is out of a coma and told the Hollywood Reporter guys, I'm alive. He was unresponsive for two months and, as he told the reporter, the doctors never expected me to walk or speak again. He's in a rehabilitation center and expects to make a full recovery, including returning to radio as a DJ. That's a pretty good story. Yeah, I mean, it didn't look good and that's fantastic to hear. I'm excited about that. Good to hear. And don't forget, jimmy, if you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
Speaker 2:Let's revisit some great music from the past. Pat Benatar's single Heartbreaker peaks at number 23 at Billboard's Hot 100, march 15th 1980. Straight up rocker, with a killer guitar solo to end the song. I remember being popular on rock radio more than it was popular on pop radio, like rock radio really just loved this song. I mean it's a good song and I had a newspaper route back in the day, you know in 1980. And I remember delivering the paper on Sundays. I'd have a shopping cart that I got from a local store and I'd have my boom box, you know, in it and I have my radio blasting and I used to listen to the song all the time. I mean, just brings back so many memories of that paper route and, you know, not making a whole lot of money, I can tell you that it's a great song it is, isn't it?
Speaker 2:I mean, I love the guitar solo oh, I love it too.
Speaker 1:I was in a band that played that song and I got to do the guitar solo and it was always kind of a joy to just step up and and play that thing.
Speaker 2:I mean people rock out to it they love it.
Speaker 1:Do you know the guitar solo on air guitar.
Speaker 2:I don't know it. On air guitar I don't. I did not practice that one and I'm a little bit older. I think it would take me a little while to figure that out now, which is funny again, because it was in my mind of how it should be. Like I'm proud that I mastered in my mind how it should be, not that it should be the way that I did it by any means. I remember the first time I air drummed. My buddy says hey, yeah, it's the other way. Your arms are supposed to not be like that, like I was doing whatever I know, no one could see me playing the hi-hat on the right instead of the no.
Speaker 2:I was like this, I was like this. Oh, I don't even know what this is called. But you know, I'm supposed to be like doing this, yeah, and I'm like Well, keith Moon did everything wrong, apparently, so you can just you, be you. Well, thank you. He did a good job too. He did Speaking of you being you, us being us and them being them. Van Halen Women and Children First was released on March 26, 1980. And I think that was very courteous of them.
Speaker 1:You know, like the whole macho thing, but then they're like women and children first. That is true, you know, hats off.
Speaker 2:Hats off to them, hats off to them. I don't think they wore hats. Well, eddie Van Halen wore hats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wore hats.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's not my favorite Van Halen album, but it had some good songs and the Cradle Will Rock that started off the album. You know that song.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so that have you seen. Junior's Grades.
Speaker 2:There you go, so we'll get back to that in a second. But the song, how it Begins, everybody thinks that's guitar. It's not a guitar, it's an electric piano. Oh, really, yes, you know the electric piano.
Speaker 1:I thought he was scraping his guitar pick on his strings.
Speaker 2:No electric piano, that they did some distortion through some old amp and everything. And that was the first time that Eddie did any keyboards because he loved keyboards. It's the first time they did anything. Have you seen Junior's grades? You mentioned that Van Halen's one of those few bands that can do this song. You know straight up rock song. But they can get David Lee Roth campy with it and it makes sense and it sounds good and it's perfect. Like most bands can't do that, they couldn't pull that off the way that Van Halen was able to do that and the way David Lee Roth can do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the little breakdowns where he's just talking, sometimes in songs, you know Right.
Speaker 2:And I mean you know it. Just it's insane how some can do it and some can't. You know, everybody Wants Some second song off the album. What a great song. I mean that is a fantastic song. Romeo Delight, take your Whiskey Home and Could this Be Magic. They're all good songs. Could this Be Magic? They're all good songs. Could this Be Magic is Eddie and David Lee Roth on acoustic guitars and with backup vocals is Nicolette Larson, because Eddie had done some guitar work for her a couple of years earlier and now it was time to repay and so she's on it. It's the only time there's any female vocals on a Van Halen record. Oh yeah, so I mentioned that.
Speaker 2:So two days later after this album comes out, the Cure, a Forest single, is released on March 28th 1980. So you're going from Van Halen to, two days later, the Cure. And it reached number 31 on the UK singles chart. And the UK singles chart is really cool because they like what they like. It doesn't matter who it is, it doesn't matter what it sounds like, the British will like something and it just rises up the charts. And it does not happen in America like that by any means.
Speaker 1:And in my experience the British charts also like it might hit number one this week and it might be back off the charts next week. They've moved on to something else, like they move quicker than Americans do.
Speaker 2:But then all of a sudden there's a commercial and two weeks later it's number seven. You are 100% correct with that. I agree with you. It's just really cool how they do their music over there. I think that the British were more into liking a lot of different music, a lot of different genres, and not just staying to one thing, where it's taking us much longer to get to that point but it still doesn't reflect on the billboard charts the way that things happen in UK. So I didn't hear the song until late 1982. I didn't hear it in 1980.
Speaker 2:But it's become one of my favorite Cure songs. As a matter of fact, the Cure have played that song more than any other song that they do. It's really awesome. Starts with a synthesizer and a guitar and then you know the other instruments come in and then you know Robert Smith's vocals and if you listen to it it's really to me the basis of so many Cure songs. Like you can listen to it and almost start singing other Cure songs in it, because that's the Cure you know. That's how we've come to know what they are. End of the song. Instruments drop off one by one and then it just kind of finishes off with this really cool bass line. If you like the Cure. Not familiar with the song, give it a listen.
Speaker 2:While the Cure of Forest was released this day, the very next day, rush, the spirit of radio, peaked at number 51 on Billboard Hot 100, march 29th 1980. So I think it's really cool. Hot 100, march 29th 1980. So I think this is really cool. A few days, some great music, different things that are happening with it. You know, yeah, hands down my favorite Rush song. Absolutely love this song.
Speaker 2:A song about a radio DJ playing the great song and there's magic at your fingers because you can turn the volume up and you can change the radio station, do whatever you want. The words by themselves are fantastic, the music by itself awesome, but the two together form an absolute epic song. I love this song. I love the lines. One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity. I just absolutely love that.
Speaker 2:I think that's so cool, neil Peart. I mean it's just kind of like a deep thought when you think about it. There's so much to think about it and there's not enough time on here to talk about all of it, but it is so cool and I remember when I hear this song, this song takes me back to we were playing street football at this girl, donna Koch, in front of her house. A bunch of us are playing street football and I remember you know we're playing and I remember the song coming on. I'm like wait, wait, we got to stop because I got to listen to the song and I don't want to be like playing while I'm listening to the song, like that's how much I love this song. It definitely brings back Did you buy the record.
Speaker 2:Um, I had it on cassette. So, yeah, some things I got on cassette, some things I got on album. This was a cassette. So, Jimmy, you know how they do the reggae part near the end of the song.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. So the words are a nod to Simon and Garfunkel's 1965 song, the Sound of Silence. Sound of Silence ends with, and the sign said. The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls.
Speaker 1:Oh concert hall.
Speaker 2:The tenement halls and whispered in the sounds of silence. And, just like you were saying, the spirit of radio ends with, for the words of the prophets were written on the studio wall. Concert hall echoes with the sounds of salesmen.
Speaker 1:Oh, I never put that together Of salesmen.
Speaker 2:But prophets here is spelled as money profits, not profits as in profits that we think of, and I just think it's an absolute killer. Ending then with all the instruments on the way that they end this song and that nod to sim Simon and Garfunkel, I just think is absolutely, insanely brilliant the way that they do it. Love it, love the song, absolutely love the song. So, speaking of loving Biz, markie Just a Friend peaked at number nine on Billboard Hot 100, march 17th 1990. I can't get enough of this song. This song comes on. I got to listen to it. Really like it Song about trying to date a person but she's already dating someone and lies by saying he's just a friend.
Speaker 2:Good beat. It's taken from Freddie Scott's 1968 song you Got what I Need. He finally catches her with the other guy. So please listen to the message I send. Don't ever talk to a girl who says she has just a friend. You know what? I have a friend and according to my watch, it's Minute with my friend, jimmy time. It's time for Minute with Jimmy. Minute with Jimmy. Minute time. It's time for Minute with Jimmy. Minute with Jimmy. Minute with Jimmy. It's time for Minute with Jimmy. Minute with Jimmy. Minute with.
Speaker 1:Jimmy. Okay, you're not going to believe this, jim.
Speaker 2:What's that?
Speaker 1:Today I want to talk about the 1975 single by the Captain and Tennille. Love Will Keep Us Together. No, you don't. Yes, I do. I love this song.
Speaker 2:Oh my Lord, talk about something coming full circle. I love it.
Speaker 1:I know we do not plan this, people, it's crazy. But yeah, so that song was written by Neil Sedaka. I didn't know. He actually put his own version out. Another group put a version out 1973. Actually put his own version out. Another group put a version out 1973. Both those came out. Didn't do a ton and then captain and tenille covered it in 1975, came out in in april, hit number one on the billboard charts, stayed there for four weeks and it's uh, it actually kind of put sadaka back on the map because he had been a big songwriter through the 60s and hadn't done anything in a couple of years. And they actually say and as the song is fading out, you can hear Tony Tennille say Sadaka is back and the Violets covered it. The.
Speaker 2:Violets covered it Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a hard song, it's not just a simple song. When we started to learn it, we were like, wow, this has got some crazy chords in it and stuff.
Speaker 2:So if I remember off the top of my head, so it's easy for me to just rattle off song names. But I remember young and beautiful. Someday your looks will be gone.
Speaker 1:But when the others turn you off, who will be turning you on?
Speaker 2:and then it's I will, I will, yes, and you know I like the song. I'm I'm a sucker for a great pop song like that. I think they did a fantastic job. They ended up having a tv show. I think that came out after that song.
Speaker 1:They became so yeah that's what put them on the map.
Speaker 2:And I would watch the Captain and Tennille show and, you know, enjoy it.
Speaker 1:Great little gimmick him with his captain's hat and he didn't really talk at all.
Speaker 2:Now Daryl, somebody, yeah, I can't remember his last name, but that's funny. I'm so glad it wasn't Muskrat Love that you were going to do. I'm sorry, cher, that you were going to do. I'm sorry, cher.
Speaker 1:She doesn't know the lyrics either, but she loves the song. It's cute. It's funny, she sings it, and then she just makes up words.
Speaker 2:It's a cute, cute thing, isn't it? It is, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:She would sing it to the kids when they were little. You know, bedtime kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Well, I can tell you this Tony Tenniel did not have anything to do with Another Brick in the Wall, part II, but she had everything to do with Muskrat Love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, well, fair enough.
Speaker 2:Jimmy, that's really cool. Again. That just comes full circle with that. Never knew what you were going to talk about and what I was going to talk about.
Speaker 1:It's weird, huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, awesome, my name is Jimmy. Hey, if you want to ask us questions about Muskrat Love and other Brick in the Wall, part 2, or anything that we talked about, you can contact us at musicinmyshoes at gmailcom. Please like and follow the Music in my Shoes Facebook and Instagram pages. Feel free to share the podcast with your friends on social media. For those of you that already have, it is appreciated. Thank you so much. That's it for Episode 71 of Music in my Shoes. I'd like to thank Jimmy Muskrat Love, guthrie show producer and owner of Arcade 160 Studios located right here in Atlanta, georgia, and Vic Thrill for our podcast music. This is Jim Boge, and I hope you learned something new or remembered something old. We'll meet again on our next episode. Until then, live life and keep the music playing. I'll lay you on your own.
