Longevity in Ministry with Apostle Cherry Hill

Join me for an inspiring episode as Apostle Cherry Hill recounts her remarkable 36-year journey in dynamic ministry. From her early days as a passionate teenage preacher to her esteemed role as a senior pastor and apostle, she shares her story, filled with wisdom and inspiration. 

Discover the cornerstone moments of spiritual calling and the scaffolding that supports a thriving ministry. In a heartfelt exchange, I recount the epiphany that propelled my own path and stress the bedrock of prayer, submission to seasoned guidance, and a continuous influx of the Holy Spirit. Weaving through our dialogue is the thread of mentorship, where figures like Marilyn Hickey shaped Apostle Cherry's preaching with a balance of fervor and depth, reminding us that the fire of the Holy Spirit needs the fuel of knowledge to burn bright and enduring.

As we round off this spiritually enriching episode, we explore the intricacies of delivering messages with precision to diverse audiences, from crafting sermons that resonate with the listener's needs to understanding the delicate art of timing and theme adherence. We delve into the rich process of education, revelation, and application—key ingredients for integrating the Divine Word into the fabric of our daily lives. Tune in to nourish your soul and fortify your calling with the wisdom garnered through decades of dedicated ministry.

Transcript

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Welcome to the Five Fold Food Podcast hosted by Dr Robert F owell, where ministers receive the spiritual nourishment they need to succeed. The Word of God declares and he gave some apostles and some prophets and some evangelists and some pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Prepare to receive revelation, wisdom and insight to empower your ministry for victory. Now let's eat.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 0:41

Praise Lord, god bless each and every one of you. Welcome to the Five Fold Food Podcast. I'm your host, dr Robert F Dial. I'm so excited that you are with us for another broadcast. I will not always encourage you.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 0:54

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Apostle Cherry Hill 2:00

Bless you. Thank you for having me. Dr Robert Apostle Dowell, thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 2:08

I'm so glad that you could find the time to be with us, apostle Cherry Heal. She currently serves as the senior pastor and an apostle of the remnant international ministries and prophetic apostolic ministry that equips believers for their kingdom assignment. This woman of God has been in ministry for 36 years Over 36 years of ministry. She began preaching the gospel as a teenager in 1987 in the great state of Florida, in Lakeland, Florida. She has over 25 years of ministry as an evangelist. She entered into her pastoral ministry in the early 2000s as she pastored in Germany overseas. She accepted her call to her apostolic ministry and the apostolic mantle of her life in 2016. There's a whole lot I can say about this woman of God. She's an educator, she works with charter schools, but more than that, I'm glad to call her a lifetime friend that I've known we met over 33 years ago and to see this woman of God going forward.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 3:21

I just knew, apostle Cherry, that I wanted you on the podcast, as I wanted to talk about in this podcast the longevity in ministry. I wanted to have that discussion at the end and you are one who has some longevity in ministry. We're talking about 36 years. Some would say she don't look. She still almost look like a baby. She don't look like she's a little over 40, 36 years. When did she start preaching? When she was four years old. But I'm so glad that all that you're doing. Cherry, can you tell our audience a little more about yourself, something that maybe I didn't cover? I know you've done work with schools. Maybe you could tell us a little about yourself and maybe some things you have going on books that they may reach out to you. We'll share more at the end as well.

Apostle Cherry Hill 4:06

I'm so excited about being here and it's so good both of us feel in ministry. It's amazing that God has kept us and we still have a mind to move in the things of the Lord. I do greet the five-fold audience today. Those who are listening from all over the world were so thankful to be a part of this broadcast. Just a little bit. You've said so much. I'm grateful. One of my number one ministries is being a mother. I've been blessed to have a phenomenal family. That has been just an amazing journey for me here in Colorado Springs, where a bulk of my ministry has been here for the past 23 years. I have my own podcast and ministry show, Remnant Nation, and just a plethora of things that God has afforded us to do. I'm just excited about being here and looking forward to the conversation.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 5:05

Yes, there is revelation in the conversation. I believe that God's going to give some revelation and impartation in our conversation. Tell us a little about Ranglobe, the broadcast, how those that might want to tune in You're dropping gems, you're giving nuggets. Tell us about that.

Apostle Cherry Hill 5:25

Remnant Nation is birthed out of Remnant International Ministries. I started in radio first back in 1995. I've always just had a passion for media radio TV, now internet, social media. This broadcast airs Monday through Thursday at 7.30 AM Mountain Standard Time. We're just really speaking and encouraging the body of Christ to be the remnant, to be those that will contend for the faith, to be those that will not blur the lines but will really stand for the Lord, jesus Christ, and be a voice for him across the seven mountains. We air Monday and Tuesday as teaching. On Wednesday it's our discussion, like what we're having now. It's called Ranglobe. Then we end the broadcast week on a Thursday with Meet Me on the Floor. It's a time of prayer, intercession, prophetic flow and just allow the Holy Spirit to have its way. That is our weekly broadcast.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 6:25

Amen.

Apostle Cherry Hill 6:25

Connect Ranglobeorg Amen.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 6:27

Yeah, if you want to reach or you can reach at Ranglobeorg office at gmailcom, you can if they want to reach you there as well. Like I said, we had a brief time in the green room before we started. Apostle Cherry, you are doing all the things, girl. You are doing them all. You are doing them all and you're doing it well as well. I know I had the opportunities to come in on some of your replays and pour. It stirred my soul. It's been a blessing under me. I want to encourage you. I wish it was so many ministries. You really never know who you're ministering to. Sometimes you think it's just the audience there. You don't know who's going to come up on replay, how God is going to stir something. I've been blessed by some of your replays. It's really ignited a fire within me. I told you, apostle Cherry, what I want to deal with in this segment. I want to talk about longevity and ministry. I want to talk about that because it was in 1990 when we met. We were both teenagers there. We were teenagers. We met in Oklahoma in 1990.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 7:37

You know what does my heart good when I see people who I've known for many years that are yet running for the Lord that are yet going forth. It hurts my heart when I hear of those who have fallen by the wayside, more in particular those in the fivefold ministry, those that had a call in their life, those that had a call that they are no longer walking in ministry. They're no longer walking out their call. Then it also saddens me, apostle, when I see those who still may have the call, acknowledge the call, but they're not thriving in the call. They're just kind of surviving in the call, still say thank God for salvation, but they're not making foolproof of the ministry anymore. They're no longer pressing toward the mark. There's not a next in them, there's not another in them, they're just kind of surviving. Many of them, cherry, are not even active in the pulpit ministry or in inaccessible ministry.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 8:37

I'm thankful to know you as well as a modern-day apostle. We appreciate the mountains and going into the different spheres where there's government, education, marketplace. We embrace all of that, but as fivefold gifts. I'm an opinion apostle. When we have a fivefold gift, though, we embrace those other mountains as fivefolds. There's still a call that we minister to the saints that we have a ministry of equipping of the body for the work of the ministry, even though I'm in the marketplace, even though I'm in the government, there's still an anointing on me to minister to the body of Christ as a pulpit minister, as an inaccessible prophet. It hurts my heart when many have walked away from that. I want to have the discussion with you. What do you believe has been the driving force for having a sustained and a long, passionate ministry where you are still thriving, I still see go in you and next in you, next in your foundation.

Apostle Cherry Hill 9:45

You know, I would say, dr Dowell, is that personal encounter that I had with the Lord as a 15-year-old girl.

Apostle Cherry Hill 9:56

I cannot forget that Sunday afternoon at about 5.30 pm, july 12, 1987, you know one of those services, you know how, you know we would go back for Sunday night service back at that time, and it was one of those services where the Lord was moving so great that the preacher couldn't even bring forth the word, it was just a worship, just you know, people crying out.

Apostle Cherry Hill 10:25

I was at the altar as a young girl and that encounter that I had that day, when the Lord called me, he said I'm calling you to be my servant, to bear my word, and I felt like this cloak come over me, like somebody put a blanket over my shoulders, and that I just weeped and weeped and weeped and something was imparted that day and so when it gets tough, when it gets rough, when I'm like God are you sure about this I'm ready to throw in the towel. I cannot forget that he called me and that has really anchored me and echoing. You know, paul, talking to Timothy, I charge you and I just you know, I just have this personal conviction that he charged me to do this, and so it has kept me just over the years.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 11:16

And I believe there's a stirring of how. So in this podcast today, whenever this may land on the ears of those that are listening, that God's going to stir, he's going to restore that in them. I believe it's going to help those younger ministers, not only in chronological age but in times of ministry just getting started, that they're going to receive an impartation to be able to run the race and finish their course. But those that have gotten stale, they've gotten stagnant, they've gotten stuck in ministry, I believe that anointing is being released right now that God's going to unlock you and I believe he's doing it through your revelation that you just gave, that they got to remember the call. They got to remember the call and so when I'm hearing a parcel, would you say that I'm picking up, that it's in our genesis, it's in our genesis experience, it's in that foundation that helps us reach, you know, our goal and continue to have that longevity. Because you know, I think about a building. If someone build a house or skyscraper building, we'll go to the building and we'll celebrate the furniture that's in there. We'll look at the chandeliers you know it's beautiful the landscaping. We'll celebrate all the decor and we'll celebrate. But you know, people normally don't talk about the foundation. They don't go and say, boy, I've been just on a real good foundation for this. It's not even discussed but everybody stands on it and I believe many times in ministry we see people and I look at someone like you and that's why I'm so thankful for this interview that we see them yet standing, not just surviving, but through it all, still striving, still birthing, still pushing, still pressing. It's because of the foundation and what I'm hearing in this apostle, it's in your genesis experience that you remember the call. I really never thought about it. I know we've been taught as ministers that you need to know your testimony. How would you call? I've known that but when you said it there it hit me. That might be a part of why I'm still standing, because when you said it I can remember when I got the call no, I can't. I do remember it was spring break in 1988. It was 19. No, I graduated 89. So 1989 spring break.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 13:50

I'm reading this book by Kenneth Hagan that I had a mentor uncle that told me I said something's missing. He said you need to baptism and hold the spirit. I heard some people doing stuff. A long story, short apostle. I get this book. I read this book, I say this prayer, I receive it and literally for an hour I prayed in the Holy Ghost. Come on, I didn't grow up church like that. I get feel, and God my witness. God begins to show me his plan for my life. He thinks that I'm doing now is what he showed back in 1989. He told me what my ministry, what I should do. It just all flooded in my spirit the first time I really heard God speak to me and I knew there was a call, and so it's helping me now. I remember that moment. I remember that moment. Do you think some didn't have that moment, sherry, or they just forgotten it? What do you think? Because I think that's so crucial.

Apostle Cherry Hill 14:50

I do, I do and you know, just hearing, you know just that word foundation that you know, many, I believe, would be able to stand longer and endure if they would stand and let the foundation be poured.

Apostle Cherry Hill 15:06

I believe that that's a lot of what we're seeing is because we're in such a hurry to get my podcast to you know, to jump in the pool pit to get be still long enough. Allow Holy Spirit and the teachers and those that God has put around you time to pour a proper foundation that you can stand on, and so the call comes from God. But then there's a time of equipping, there's a time of preparation, and I believe that many people might, you know many have been called, but the foundation wasn't sure, you know, and some just wasn't called at all, you know, but, but, but, but. But for those who have been called, you know, if you really allow that foundation to be poured correctly, you know when the hard days come and all that stuff that's built on the foundation begins to get heavy and tough, you've got such a foundation that if everything else fall away, the foundation is going to still hold you up, and so I think that's kind of twofold answering your question.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 16:16

Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, there's a lot of hard days in ministry. There's a lot of hard day not just in your personal life, but, like we feel, like Paul, we have the care and the burden of those that we minister to as well as well. What would you say, apostle, would be maybe some of those things that may be essential for a minister's foundation. Those that are listening that that may need some foundation repair and you know there is a thing that you can go back in and show up a foundation, even after the building has been built. You can show up the foundation and I believe the Holy Ghost want to show up some foundation. So what are some essential things that may make that maybe they have missed they missed it that they may need to have in the?

Apostle Cherry Hill 16:59

foundation. Right, I would just say number one is just understanding their call and what they're called to do. You have to know the call and you have to know because when the Lord called me that day he said I'm calling you into evangelism. At that time that was my specific calling. And so, knowing the call, knowing what he's called you to do, surrounding it, number three, in prayer, surrounding that in prayer and then submitting that gift to another senior leader, not just taking off with the gift but submitting it to someone who can help walk with you, pray with you, that can help grow you up in the things of God. And so that part, you've got to be filled with the Holy Spirit. I don't even know how anybody would even attempt to be a minister of the Lord Jesus and not be filled with the Holy Spirit.

Apostle Cherry Hill 17:51

So you know what maybe somebody needs to say Lord, feel me again fresh in a new God. Give me a fresh fire so that I can be on fire for the things of God, so that I'm not feeling stale and stuck and I'm just oh, I'm just here here. But God, give me a new fire for the call. God rekindle, stir up what's on the inside of me, because, see, that call is for a lifetime. It doesn't just that that that fire does not blaze out after 20 years. It doesn't, you know, the fire doesn't go out. But I believe that God just keeps blowing on that fire and it's a fresh, and it's a new. And God, you know, begins to give you new direction, begins to give you new revelation. So now you're in the 30th year, it's time to do this, and now you're shifting to mentor to coach. Come on, it's a, it's a fresh that God put on you. And so you've got to say God, you know what. I thank you for the foundation, but I'm feeling kind of rocky. Will you blow?

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 18:53

on it. Come on, apostle, just go ahead and take a moment, pray to speak that someone stuck right now. Someone's fire is going on. I want you just take a moment and I want you to minister to those ministers whose fire is dwindling, that feels stale, stuck and stagnant. Just take a moment and just minister them by by where the Holy Spirit I did not make a mistake.

Apostle Cherry Hill 19:14

God called you. You know God called you. But life has happened, situations have happened. The enemy has come from the east, west, north and south, but your foundation is sure. The call of God is on your life. He has not changed his mind. I need you to hear this by the spirit. He has not changed his mind about you, about what he said about you, the call, the anointing that's on your life and in the name of Jesus, we stir up, come on, we stir up the gifts of God that's on the inside of you.

Apostle Cherry Hill 19:50

When you turn this corner, you, you just turn the corner. You're in a brand new year and God said there's something new, there's something fresh. I'm going to rekindle what's on the inside of you. There's a new running. You, You're going to run at a new pace. Come on, in 2024, with the enemy planned, it will not work. You're coming up out of ashes. You were coming up out of low thinking. You were coming up out of, you know, low self esteem. You, you are rising above character assassination and you are moving. Come on, say I'm moving and what God has ordained me to do 10 years ago, 20 years ago, but you're moving with a new fire in Jesus name.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 20:36

Come on, just say it. Come on in your car, said I'm moving, I'm moving. Come on in the bathroom sale I'm moving, I'm moving. You and Walmart are moving, I'm moving. This resonates with your spirit. You feel the function of the Holy Ghost. You're going to run like never before. The woman of God said you're coming up, up, up up. The enemy tried to press it down, down, down, but you coming up, that's it. Come on right there. Somebody, give God the glory possible. I feel the anointing of the Holy Ghost on what you just released. Somebody's being spirit up in the name of Jesus. Hallelujah, that's so good and so thank you.

Mentors and Influence in Ministry

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 21:14

I knew that. And so we need those things in our foundation to know our call to, to have that, submit the call to someone else and not be so quick to move out to. I like that to allow foundation to be put forward. I like that when I think about my own ministry. When we met, when I met you just as a teenager, you already an evangelist. You know, yeah, I was just getting my foundation poor, I don't even know. Then I didn't even carry, I didn't even. You know I had to call but I really didn't go around, I didn't carry, you know, I didn't title. It wasn't minister dial, evangelist, dial, just brother down. But I knew it was a call and what was happening is foundation was being poured in me, just finding where I fit, just getting the word, being a disciple undergirding others, learning from those that went before me. See, I didn't answer. My call to it was 88. You already preaching in 87, so I'm a couple years behind you. So I'm watching this woman to God, this young fire, evangelist, and so that's part of your foundation not competing and comparing yourself with people, but learning where you fit. And then, after I came back, you know, from the desert, I think every man and woman, a guy, need a desert experience. That's another message, though, right there, I think everyone needs that there's an experience. When I came back from my little desert experience, that's when I shared that call with my pastor then. And so I shared that call and then I was able to begin to move out in the public. But you're right, that foundation is so important to get that. So you spoke to sharing it with someone.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 23:03

Let's talk about mentors and influential people. I'm glad for this conversation with you to look at someone like you that, after all, 36 years and yet running. 36 years and yet birthday. And though I haven't talked with you, I've known you for these years. We maybe saw each other maybe two times, maybe one or two times in that time, just with ministry and building family and your kids how many kids? Five and my five. So your five kids and my five kids, and family and ministry and all of that. We really, you know, our paths just crossed a couple of times in that I say that, though, but they've able to talk with you now to see what was it that kept you. So I think mentors share with us how mentors and leaders have influential ministry and how you believe that what has caused you to be able to still burn after all these years?

Apostle Cherry Hill 24:08

Well, you know, just in the early, early days when I first heard about the things of the Lord, I wasn't really raised up in like this godly, godly home, my parents took my mother, took me to church, and so that was a great impartation. But it was when we went to go pick up my brother, who was in the military, he was in the Marines. I was 12 years old, I was sitting in the back of the car and I remember him a possible he was saying at that time in young, you know young, you know teenage boys, saying that he met a man. And my mom was like okay, it was a bunch of men, was it Sergeant, was it General? And he's like no, I met Jesus. And I'm sitting back in the car and he said no, I met the man Jesus Christ. And he was telling his testimony and I'm listening as a young girl and that just stirred something up in me even then. And so just watching his life, watching him serve the Lord that really was probably my first mentor was my brother, and just seeing his life and seeing what God was doing in him.

Apostle Cherry Hill 25:06

And then my first pastor was Pastor Queen and McCormick in Fort Lauderdale, florida, at 12 years old 12, 13 years old I'm just seeing this woman teaching and preaching. Didn't know that that's what I was going to be doing, but it always just intrigued me and stirred me up and I started teaching Sunday school at 12. Actually, she allowed me the opportunity to start teaching because I just love the word and I started teaching like the teenage class and that stirred me up even the more. And then I just had a passion for Marilyn Hickey. And because I because later it was an evangelistic call that was on my life more like a preaching anointing what Marilyn Hickey did for me was to understand the necessity that you must teach this Bible, that you must have substance, you must have you've got to, you've got to study.

Apostle Cherry Hill 25:58

You just can't get up here, you know just hooping and all of that. You need to have a strong word life. And so seeing her as a young girl and her imparting, being able to come into some of her teaching meetings when she would come to Florida, and just hearing her and she really has just my whole life I've watched her and just that passion for the word. You must teach, you must have substance, you must not just be an entertainer, but there, but you've got to teach me something. And, sherry, don't you mount that platform if you don't have a lesson to teach? And so these people there's many more, but I'm just going to stick with these foundational mentors that really stirred and spoken to my life.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 26:47

I think that's interesting. As you said that you need substance and not just sizzle, that's correct. You know you come in a whole lot of sizzle but you can have no. You go to the restaurant, you know they do these, but he doesn't got a whole lot of sizzle. You decided about that. If you remove the lid and there's no meat, it's like it's a whole lot of smoke but there's no substance. I think that's so good.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 27:11

But for kind of going to talk about this, sherry, for me seeing your ministry, I didn't know. I think I remember you telling me that years ago. I know Mel and Hickley had an influence on you, so that's where the teaching come in. That's why you were full of substance. But what it is, holy Ghost, what is this fire, this old school? Because when I watch you I'm just so blessed. It's like they don't make.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 27:36

You know that she's off of old fabric. You know you off of old fabric because it's like Holy Ghost and fire and prayer, because I see you do your at the time at the altar. You know that's old Pentecost. You know we went to Pentecost to hold the church. That's the old Pentecost fire running around and hallelujah.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 27:57

So you've got that balance and I want the ministers to see that's part of why you're able to have the longevity, because there's a balance, because you have the different mentors. So talk about how did you get this Holy Ghost thing, because I think that's what balances you, because you, you're a Holy Ghost person, you speak the word of the Lord, you believe in opening your mouth and then God feel it. But yet I just heard a distinct discipleship that when I mount the pulpit I'm studied, I'm ready, I'm just not leaning on Holy Ghost. So earlier you talked about man, don't do this with that Holy Ghost, but now you just went to, now I'm going to study, kind of speak to that. How did mentorship maybe help you get this balance that I think many are lacking these days because they didn't maybe have the exposure?

Apostle Cherry Hill 28:44

Right, you know, if I could answer this in two fold, pastor Dow, you know, one I want to say is you have to allow the full expression of the Holy Spirit to come forth and whatever dimensions he wants to in you. And so what we can't do, or we shouldn't do, is is just say you know, I'm just a teacher, I'm just this, I'm just that, and kind of frown on other expressions and not understanding that because it's a journey with the Lord, you're walking with him, so. So he's going to, he's going to reveal parts of you and your ministry that maybe you don't see till year 15, but if you lock yourself into I'm just this, I'm just that, but maybe he's maturing, developing and causing you to come into new levels, even in your teaching and preaching. Anointing, because even that will increase and it will expand. I feel the anointing, that's the towel. You know how we go, oh, but, but, but.

Apostle Cherry Hill 29:57

But. So I want to just say that don't frown on other ministry gifts and say, well, you know all those teachers oh, they're just boring and all those Holy Ghost old ages up there yelling no, allow. However, holy Spirit wants to bring forth the word of God, and that's something I had to learn in my walk with God, not to determine how the word was going to be experienced or come forth, but I had to allow. Holy Spirit, I'll be teaching today. Is it a combo meal today? What, what is it? Holy Spirit, I'm just here, I'm the mouthpiece, but I want to go back to how did like this fire and all of this, so I want to cherry.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 30:35

Don't lose that. Thought about the fire. Okay, Because I want. I want to just stay at. I want to get in that vein for a moment. You know we'll all combat lifesavers. You know when they taught you how to, when you have to give an IV. When you see that I see the blue, I see a flash that means you're in the vein.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 30:52

I think we're in the Holy Ghost vein that God want to pull some people into new expression. There's some ministers and five fold people that are stuck in a dimension and just by way of the Holy Spirit and prophetic, apostolic anointing, we pull you into a new expression of the Lord. It's been stirring your belly. You haven't been able to put language to it. You've been contemplating these things, you've been thinking, but you couldn't put language. But the woman of God just put language to what you have felt in your spirit that there's a new expression of the Holy Ghost that's going to begin to flow through you. They're going to be beginning to move through you. Don't stop it, don't block it, don't quench it, but let God flow you in it. And what God will do, he's going to give you understanding of it after just beginning to flow in it. You're trying to want, you want to understand it all. I'm feeling the apostle, that somebody, they want to understand it all before they answer that, that new and additional call. That's it. You want to understand it all before you fully walk in that new call. But God said he going to give it to you as you flow in it in Jesus name, go ahead and continue the minutes or whatever. You're feeling that because I felt that apostle, that God is pulling people into.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 32:09

I know this is an interview and this is a podcast, but we hold it goes to people. I believe he want to minister to some minister today and pull them. Because this is what I'm hearing, apostle, this is what has helped us. I hear this body, holy Ghost, help me and you have the longevity because God it just hit me now has. We have allowed God to pull us into new expressions of God, because that keeps the oil fresh. I call it is. It helps you redefine your ministry. Some people are not fine in the ministry because they're not willing to redefine it. Not that you give up on the aspect of ministry, but sometimes you have to redefine what God is doing in you and so how he redefined it. He gives us a new expression. Come on, come on, speak to that minister, to them apostle.

Apostle Cherry Hill 33:02

Amen, absolutely. And you know what this whole teaching of the five fold is coming from, a new expression called the New Testament. So we know that does new things, amen and redefine, you know. But here it is is we have to remember that we're the assistant teacher, he is the lead teacher in the room, he is the master teacher and wherever that anointing is moving, you have to know to stay with the anointing, to stay in the flow. If he keeps you, you know, monotone, or keeps you what you say there, if he go up, you go up. Wherever he goes, come on, we just follow him. And it was something that might.

Apostle Cherry Hill 33:48

When you talk about the initial stirring of the fire, the church that I was in was actually a missionary Baptist church, a free will, a free will mission that I was called to preach in at 15, but the pastor was Holy Ghost Field and when he would work for altar he saw the call that was on my life. He would say, cherry, put your hand on my shoulder and as I work the altar, I just want you to walk the altar with me. But you just put your hand on my shoulder. But I didn't understand. It was impartation as a 15 year old, 16 year old girl. That was happening as I'm laying hands on my pastor's shoulder. He's working the altar and so it's also a part of impartation. You got to get up under the diet that you're curious about. You've got to begin to begin to eat at some tables that where that stirring is. You got to start eating from that table so that that impartation can begin to happen in your life.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 34:56

Wow, you dropped a bar. You have to get under the diet. That you're what you're interested in Move. How did you say that?

Apostle Cherry Hill 35:05

the curious that you're being pulled to stirred up about.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 35:10

I need you to unpack that for our listeners. Let's unpack that. Get under the diet that you're curious about. So the area that got to stir you in listen ministers, the area that got to stir you in, you feel a pool in and it's just, yeah, you're curious about it. You got to get under the diet. Speak to that, because I believe God is speaking to some minister, because this is what's going to get them on that longevity track. It's going to help them get those new expressions that we're talking about.

Apostle Cherry Hill 35:39

And it goes back to what you said, pastor doubt about the redefining. Because sometimes you know, you're feeling like you're coming to this stuff or this stale place and God is trying to say you know what? I have something fresh, but I need to shift your diet. And so, here, look at this man of God, this woman of God, and this flow. This is where I want you to go. And so you got to begin to tune in, listen to Pastor Dowell's teaching, listen to such and so, apostle, because, because, because that's where there's going to be an impartation, you don't have to be literally in the room, but you need to be in the room of the spirit, where it's happening, so that there can be a stirring and you can receive, and you open up your mouth and there's a whole new expression of the Holy Ghost coming out of you and so.

Apostle Cherry Hill 36:29

So here's the thing we cannot be afraid. That's why the delimitations, and and you know that spirit of fear, spirit, the spirit of fear, will keep you locked up. It'll keep you on, locked down. You will not redefine, you will not come into full expressions, because you know, this is something that I taught some some a while ago Father, help me to read the help me to meet the rest of me, because sometimes the me is locked up, because fear has me locked up. The rest of me is in a door, locked up in a closet. But I said God, help me to meet the rest of me, unlock me so I can come forth and fully express who I am in God. Who?

Find Your Tribe, Learn From Mistakes

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 37:18

let me out. I love it. I love it. Help me to meet the rest of me. Apostle, I'm going to give you credit. I heard you say that first, so I've given you your credit that you said it first. I'm going to have to use that again. Wow, help me to meet the rest of me, because there's a part of me that's locked up somewhere. Good God in Zion. Wow, god is pulling some people out just through this conversation. I believe they're picking up some things that God is stirring within them the impartation.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 37:51

I like how you said that you have to get in the rooms. Thank God for virtual rooms. Yes, and that's why we got to get in these rooms, so that we can get the proper diet. I like to put it this way, apostle, that I believe, when it comes to what we feel an affinity, to what we feel drawn to, when we're curious at, I believe that's part of the finding your tribe. Everybody got to find their tribe.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 38:17

If you have a prophetic being or an accessory being, you have even marketplace government within your dimension of your five-fold call. There's levels to it. You need to get around people who are doing what you feel called to do, who are speaking about it and I believe getting in that tribe, getting in those rooms, it helps you to expand and I think that's a mistake that many make. They stay in one room and that's my encouragement. So, thank God for those that receive my leadership, receive me as an apostle in their life, a dimension to help them.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 39:00

But I believe you are limited. If you're just eating off one table, you got to be careful what tables you eat off of, but you just can't eat off one table. There's other dimensions and expressions that you have to have and I think that's a mistake let's talk about. Is there any? Is there like a mistake that you made in ministry that maybe you can share? Maybe lesson that you've got from it that may be beneficial, because you know a wise man, learn from others mistake. You know we don't want to just be a person that learn from our mistakes that's good, but we want to be wise and learn from others mistakes. So, kim, maybe you just share maybe a mistake you made in ministry and a lesson that it taught you.

Apostle Cherry Hill 39:44

Absolutely, absolutely.

Apostle Cherry Hill 39:46

You know, I would say one of the greatest mistakes that I've made is when it was time for a major decision and I really thought that I had a clear direction but did not give enough time to prayer To that decision and did not put around that decision enough seasoned voices, enough seasoned voices to come alongside with words of wisdom, and thereby not just having enough patience to wait it out.

Apostle Cherry Hill 40:27

And so that, probably because you know, I like to reflect, like many people right now, at the end of the beginning of the year, just coming out of December and just reflecting on that year, like, okay, got this, that and the other. And so I like to do that and just sitting saying, okay, you know what, right here, cherry, you could have just given a little bit more prayer to that, you could have waited a little bit more, you could have saw a little bit more counsel, and so that is something that I believe, something Bishop Roosevelt Dunn said to me some years ago. He's gone on to be with the Lord, but he said if you give much, much, much, that's saying much prayer. He said, you will do little backtracking if you will just just just saturated in prayer and really give Holy spirit time to just birth out his wheel. Concerning that, and so that is something that I've learned over the years.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 41:24

I think that's something we all need to take note, to be patient in our prayer, and I like how you said you didn't just say pray about it, but you said put seasoned voices around, because there's count, there's safety in a multitude of counsel not just voices, but seasoned voices to help you to bounce that off. I think that's so good. We can take part to that. What advice would you have for young ministers especially, maybe young in age, but also not just young in age, but you can speak to both young, just in ministry, because, like I said, you've been doing this thing since you was 12 years old. Wow, that's, that's, that's. You've been running a long time and you're not tired yet. Running a long time, I'm not tired yet. So give me some advice for young ministers and maybe those who are older but just kind of starting different aspects of ministry.

The Importance of a Personal Call

Apostle Cherry Hill 42:28

Right, you know. First I just want to say thank you for answering the call, because it's not as easy to be a minister today as it was 25 years ago. So I just I want to just say thank you to those who are truly hearing the call of ministry and answering the call to ministry but, at the same token, want to encourage those ministers to come out the gate right, to be anxious for nothing. And so the first thing I would say I had to kind of write this one down, make sure I stuck with my notes on this but I would say one of the one of the critical areas where young ministers might be hindered today is not waiting on a personal call before a public display. And so I believe that that is huge, that every young minister they have to know that. They know that.

Apostle Cherry Hill 43:28

They know, and because we're talking to five full ministers today, pastors and apostles, see, we got to flip this thing on the other side, we can't be so quick to call people that God did not call, because we're trying to feel positions in churches and trying to have an entourage and want the pulpit filled up with ministers. You know we have to pull back and that person have a personal call. You recognize, you confirm, yes, you're called, but let them receive the call because it goes back to the foundation. If they don't get that personal call, they have no stick to it in this because you called them. That's why it's easy to walk away, because God didn't call some. You called them so they can say no to you. But it's harder to say no to God.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 44:18

I can't make myself look good just making out these sons and daughters huh.

Apostle Cherry Hill 44:23

But I got 22 sons, doc. You know we can't do that. We have to. You know, let I like that Waiting on a personal call before a public display, something else that's so important I'm gonna pack that.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 44:41

I'm just stopping now. You, just you, man, you throwing out these Tomahawk stakes out, you throwing out these Tomahawk stakes. And you, you know, and just moving on, you know some people can chew the Tomahawk. They, you know, you throwing Tomahawks for a man of God. A personal call before the public display.

Apostle Cherry Hill 45:00

I'm packed that, that's loaded, that's loaded, absolutely Because and this goes back to patients too See, when you get that personal call this is why, pastor Apostle Dowell, the training that you're talking about and that you do, and even this podcast. So sometimes people just don't know the right way. See, we don't wanna beat people up. Sometimes they just don't know and because they're seeing other people doing it wrong, they could just pick up the wrong way to do it. But then when they hear, okay, wait a minute, I gotta give a personal call before I go into a public display, which means this I can't send myself. Just because I have a phone doesn't mean I have a. Because I have an iPad doesn't mean I have, you know, a church iPad and phones don't mean you have a ministry because you can go pay for a platform stream, yard switch, a studio, free stream. That doesn't give you a. You need a personal call.

Apostle Cherry Hill 46:00

Then who sent you? That is so important. Who on planet Earth? Not God called me, we understand, but then who on Earth who has walked with you that can confirm this? One right here is ready and there's a council of Presbyterian that have laid hands. Come on and sending them into whatever. And back to this Lord, I'm so glad you started with this send you to the local church, cause I'm just, I'm like hello, the local church still exists. We can't just be up on mountains and the church is just, the pastors are left with no help, cause everybody's out being Moses, is in their Joshua season and so and so. And so it's so important that that personal call don't send yourself. Let God send you through Presbytery, and usually he's gonna. He gonna send you back to the church so you can serve and you can be groomed and learned. And then, because see, there's more than one sending without knowing, okay, so I think I just answered it.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 47:21

So you know what you just said. Now, I didn't say that. You said that you said there's more than one sending and now so you pull back. Cause you said like I can't get into that. Now I just saw you, am I right you? You you said I feel bad. So that means you have something that you wanted to pull out, but something gave you a check. Like I can't get into that now I don't have the time, it's not the space. So what that means you need to come back on this podcast again. That means that gotta be another time. And so, cause I know you're a woman of your word, we don't know when. You know, hopefully it won't be 15 years, it won't be 30 years. But can I get your word that I'd better get you back on again, cause I know you got some more stuff to unpack? Can we get you back on again? Absolutely Okay, all right, well, I got you right, I'm on to get it. In the moment. You kind of serve that up when you pull it back. So I like, okay, I'll pay to get it back on.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 48:15

I think that's so good, apostle, so apostolic, so foundational, what you said. Personal call. But you know, acknowledge that. Get that before the public display, but you need to be sent. I love how you put that and I just want to massage it for a moment, because we're in this age, because we can go live, we can, you know, try to do a podcast or, you know, minister on real, to do something, and I think them, them, things in and of themselves are not bad. It's good to want to encourage, it's good to want to teach, it's good to want to, like, have my ministry of prayer, whatever, and it's so easy to do that and we see everybody else doing it. And so, you know, we got our terrific Tuesday and we got our, you know, you know, a fabulous Friday or whatever.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 49:09

And now you go it because you're called, but you haven't submitted that to, to your pastor, to apostolic authority, not so much of always. I don't look at us about just permission, but it's to be properly covered, because we're not trying to bind you, but we want you to be blessed so you can go out the right way, because now, when you submit it, they might say like, hey, before you start doing that, let me make sure we get some things straight. I can mentor you some in some areas. I can make sure, when you go forward, you can do it with a spirit of excellence, because sometimes your first impression is not just a lack of, not just a lasting impression. Sometimes it can be your last impression because some people don't want to deal with you. Don't mind, because you were not the game have dress. You wouldn't prepare because you just went live instead of talking with your leader. So you have went through maybe even training. You hadn't submitted yourself to the training of the house.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 50:05

I think that's so good that maybe people don't do these things out of rebellion, because we're in that age just to go live, and I think that's why that's so good. I like that before the public display and I encourage people to go forward. I believe it. But then everybody, you might not be in the season for you to go forward. There may be some things that you need to learn before you go forward.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 50:27

Who are you called to? What are you trying to do? What is your end goal? There's a lot of factors that you're not aware of if you just go forward, because people are going to vet you. What you put out there is out there. So now you're out there and now you're going to get vetted, people are going to go up and down your pages when they want to bring you in, but there's so much to this that you don't get the counsel of spiritual mothers and fathers. So I really thank you for sharing that. I think that's what this age really has to get in that Amen. So that's so good. Anything else you want to add in that? That was so good, can I just?

Apostle Cherry Hill 51:05

insert right here, you're only 100 percent, but can we also look at the spiritual aspect of going forward? We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and spiritual wickedness. So not only it's not just I'm having a prayer, this, I'm doing this live. You could be entering into spiritual territory that you're not even spiritually equipped to deal with and you're like God, what's going on? I'm having all these attacks and what's happening, and you don't realize that you stepped into a realm that, spiritually, you're not even prepared for. He said Paul, I know, but who are you? And so this is something else. That's why that pastorial covering, that apostolic covering, they're covering you in prayer, you know, and giving you wisdom and guidance, and having other intercessors even to cover you, to pray with you, and so I just want to kind of throw that in there. Thank you, ready for the spiritual space you're stepping into.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 52:18

Amen, thank you. You are so on it Only just from a natural aspect. But you are, you will attract warfare. We know it. Our lives attract warfare. Let's ask the apostle Paul about it. You attract warfare and if you're not ready for that, no, have the authority to stand in that the devil will beat you down. And we even know ourselves apostle, because there's sometimes in some season when I tell you know certain intercessors or certain people, I tell them I can feel the warfare. It's like I'm just saying like there's a level of warfare that we experienced that you know when it's warfare because it's going to come out of nowhere sometime, not connected to anything, and there's things that happen and if you're not ready for that and covered in that, it could destroy you, and so you write you don't want to. So it's just more than just going live and doing a prayer. You are attacked, you are attracting stuff. So thank you for sharing that. That's so good. Why we need the covering.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 53:18

I like earlier how you talked about you, your time and studying on the Maryland Hickey, and I love your ever started language. Apostle. You said before I mount the pulpit, before I get in the pulpit, man, I need to have some substance and I always like that. You don't want to come to the, to the pulpit, and just have a whole lot of sizzle, whole lot of style. And I'm not against style, I'm for style, I like style. Your personality You're so I'm okay because we, that's part of your personality. But I know the style and all your. I can deal with that. There needs to be some substance, right. And so I want you to speak to the ministers and share with us and I'll know, I want, I know I want to get you on another time because I, you are true apostle, from pastor to teacher to van. Just you step through all of that when I deal with maybe some sermon trip and all that.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 54:13

But kind of give us some nuggets of how you, how do you go about preparing a sermon or message, and you know, kind of walk us through that process, because I think that's part of our longevity. When we know how to be skillful at a thing, Now we can continue in it, because many have not skillful cherry, they kind of come back away from the pulpit. Man, I'm just going to government, I'm just here, I'm just there, and if you got a true call, you know and I know you can oversee and do. Maybe got a call that that you that might, that should. That got to be a wording. You, if there's a five fold call, you know if you're an assessor that's different If you're a ministry but you're five fold that, that, that has to be a wording you and you got to know how to deliver that word. Many don't know how to kind of share your process.

Understanding Audience and Message in Ministry

Apostle Cherry Hill 55:05

So just a quick overview. I would first I just understand my audience. Am I teaching to a Sunday group? Is that a small group? Is that women is a leadership? I'm going to first understand. Who am I ministering to? I'm asking you.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 55:21

Why is that important, though? I thought we just did. You know, I'm just gonna give what God gave me. A possible. Just just don't matter who I'm preaching to, I just can't give what God gave me.

Apostle Cherry Hill 55:31

No, no, no, no, because it's, because it's just like when you are put, when you're making a plate, are you making a plate for a child or for an adult? That determines what kind of food on the plate. And so you have to know your audience. You have to know who you're talking to. What is the theme? Is there a set theme that they're asking me to come minister to, or do I have the liberty to just flow? How much time do I have as a minister, let me just hit real quick.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 55:59

I know I'm in review, so so it's not good protocol just to disregard a theme. When the people give you a theme that shows you have you either rebellious or you are novice, right? How do you look at that? As an apostle, with someone disregard your theme, how do you view that? I view this they are novice or they're rebellious. How do you categorize it?

Apostle Cherry Hill 56:19

Or ignorant, right? Or just you know novice, that kind of goes in it. Yeah, it does. I mean I think if someone's inviting you to their house, they know what God has given them for this conference, this summit. You need to stay in line with what the word of the Lord is over that gathering. You know God did this, not your gathering. So you have to stay within the guidelines.

Apostle Cherry Hill 56:43

But a Holy Spirit will yet flow, minister, all of that. So I always find out. Is there a thing? Do I have you know? If not, ok, then I can just flow.

Apostle Cherry Hill 56:53

However, you know, whatever Holy Spirit gives, how much time do I have? You need to stay within time. That's so important, especially as a new minister. We don't do the. You know what. I just sense the Lord sending me. No, you don't sense anything. You sense what they ask you to do. You need to stay Now. If you now, if there is, and everybody will recognize when God is moving, you know beyond the time and that leaders don't look at you and say go on, go on, but but respect the leader, respect the person, and you know, stay within the time.

Apostle Cherry Hill 57:28

What type of house am I ministering to? So I'm going to, I'm going to want to know what type of diet are they on right now, and so that all of that is like the foundational things, I'm going to find out about this house. Where am I going to you know what's their spiritual diet? Then I'm going to wait on the impartation to hear from the Lord, and so I asked the Lord what does he want to share with his people? I wait, now, this is just me going out. I'm not talking about pastorial, where you're looking at what the people need, what the church needs this year, building out things and building out series. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking more on a tenor guest level going out, I wait.

Apostle Cherry Hill 58:11

I don't search for a word. So I've never in my time. This is just how he gave it to me. I've never searched for a word. Like God, I got to find the word. I've never searched. I wait and he'll deposit a word, a message in my spirit and then from there and see here's where, ministers, it can get a little.

Understanding God's Word Through Education

Apostle Cherry Hill 58:32

The novice piece can come in. Is you got to go study out what he dropped? So he's not going to put the whole, he's going to drop a word, but you got to go study it out. So, revelation and application. You need education now. This is the other three. You got to have education, revelation, application.

Apostle Cherry Hill 58:54

So let me understand people, settings, let me understand what's going on. What's the story Now? God, revelation, father, what are you saying through this word to this people? Now, how can they walk this out? So, education, revelation, application. But that comes after I've heard he's dropped a word. Now let me go study the word. Now. I got to sit in the word. I got to sit in that word and let that word minister because see what the Holy Spirit does is he unpacks it. He unpacks the word. He's going to, he's going to pull back parts of the scripture that you could not see. Now, you taught from this 1010 times. But he's going to, he's going to pull back another layer from the same scripture Revelation. You got to sit in it, you got to wait in it, you got it, you got to chew on it yourself and that's the unpacking. I'll just stop there, apostle.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 59:48

Oh no, that's good, was anything else that's good, you helping us, so yeah. So that's just a little bit of framework, yeah, that's kind of old with you know that's, that's a good, that's an excellent framework.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:00:01

Yeah, start with your audience. Who you're speaking to is. There's a theme, there's a structure, your time frames, your protocols, and then you don't just search for a word like you say, you, you, you want to preach what Holy Spirit, what God says, is, for this time, just placing his people. Whether, then, you just find that you want rain, you want to rain, my, because you can just get a load, you can just find something that you know, a lot of words, right, right, but you want to, you want to let God put in your heart what is that rain word, then I love how you said that you just did. Now you studied that out as well.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:00:36

Yes yes, that is a great.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:00:39

Great. And you also just have to know yourself, like just how do you flow, do you? Just how? You need to have it laid out in front of you. But that's a whole another lesson knowing how that word needs to be laid out. It's need to be an 18 font, does it need to be written out type. You just need to really know how you flow so you can not be fumbling while you're trying to unpack the word and go forth. So that's another thing too.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:01:10

And you like, excuse me, it's here somewhere. It's somewhere. Y'all excuse me for a minute, it's it. I know it's somewhere here. That don't look good, do it.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:01:23

I'm practice experience you know.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:01:27

But you need to know that though that that layout, and know that you know that, as I said, we'll definitely have to get you back on when we deal with some sermon prep and all that, we just go even in more detail. I really love that. So I know now I got to get you back on when we deal with that area in that, before we get ready to close a post. So it's just a couple of other areas that I think will help ministers in in there the long, just in their longevity. Well, I want you to just maybe talk about just quickly, because I want to maximize your time and our time with your evangelistic time in ministry and especially as a female. What advice will you give to ministers about traveling and going different places? You know, maybe you can speak to the ladies, or just just your experience, because I know you go a lot of different places.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:02:18

Right, so definitely. Well, I know, we all know this, you don't go alone. You know you're going to take at least two people with you to help serve with you, to help serve along with you, to help you with, pull with, with, with all term ministry, to help you just with some, just on the female side, just female things in the bathroom, getting this ready, that ready, what have you. So you don't want to go alone. You don't want to be a demanding preacher. You know you have all these demands you need. You know I don't want to get into the list, but just be, just go to minister. Don't make it like you're a celebrity or your, you know, don't keep the focus on the Lord.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:03:02

Jesus Christ. Go ahead and hit the list, because some may not know a possible. I'm tracking with you. Well, we're going to move on. I'm tracking with you, but everybody done, let's talk about that list. So I need some water from the Ozarks. That need to be three cubes of ice in it, you know, and they need to be. The glass needs to be a third field, right.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:03:20

Right, I need four types of juices, just in case I want apple, orange, cranberry or, you know, grapefruit, you know, just just putting too big of a demand on the I need, I need, I need laced potato chips.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:03:35

open the bag and take seven chips out and put them under a napkin.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:03:42

We're not doing that, we're not, we're. This is not because it's not about you, it's about him as Bishop. They hope him would say, it's all about him. And so now those basic things that you may need and you can really bring it yourself actually, because because really all you need is a is something to drink and you need a handkerchief. But you need you know, I try to do the cute handkerchief, but when you are preaching, woman, you need like just a regular washcloth type something just to keep yourself afresh.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:04:14

As your ministry, you need to be polite. Be polite, have the fruits of the spirit. I've never understood this nice, nasty stuff that you're so anointed and that you're so powerful that you can't be nice and you and you have this rudeness about you and you want people to just overly serve you. That that's. That that's very. It's just not the Lord, it's not the Holy Spirit, and so we can't. You know because that's the trick of the enemy that you you're so anointed now, you're so great in God now, that the fruits of the spirit just don't, they just don't work in your life anymore. And so be polite, be kind, not not asking for too much when you go.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:05:02

Don't, don't be high maintenance. Don't be high maintenance. That's that's it. Don't be high maintenance.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:05:06

Don't overstay your welcome. Don't overstay your welcome. I like to go see, like if they're usually in church for an hour 40, well, let's say the ministry's up 45 minutes to an hour, don't you go up and be up for two hours? Stay within the same type of frame that that church is usually in. Because you, because you want them to ask you back, so you don't want to overstay your welcome when you go into places like this and so, and then you don't want to browbeat the people, you want to obey God. You want to flow with you know, give whatever message that God has given you, but, but, but you don't want to take the role of the pastor and overly rebuking and things like that. So you want to use wisdom.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:05:52

You want to use wisdom and what you say, especially if you flow prophetically, you don't put people on blast. There's, there's, there's something called take the mic away from your hand and whisper in somebody's ear. You know. So it's wisdom. And in your delivery, what you say, how you say, so that's just a little bit of when you're traveling, you want to change out of your clothes. You don't, especially if you're wet and soaking and depending on the weather, so that you don't get sick. So that's just certain things that you want to do when you go out to minister.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:06:27

Wonderful. Wonderful Because you could mess up experience like that being high maintenance and all of those things. Great wisdom, apostle, that you, that you laid out in that wonderful. And I see you've seen, you've encountered a lot of that and I think a lot of ministers. Just they missed those lessons. And I think those that are hearing it you really want to hear that because sometimes it looks good, you want somebody to get you juice and somebody to serve you, but people who are experienced in season, they pick up on that and it's a turn off. When you would like that, they'll serve you, they'll accommodate you, but normally it's a turn off when we just when you're doing too much and you ask too much.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:07:14

And I just want to say to the women that are in ministry you have to have now here this I'm not talking about well, hopefully we're not talking about with the actual leadership, but just entertaining, interacting, not entertaining interacting with other men. Have a no nonsense about yourself. Do not, do not have this overly. You know you just hugging on everybody. Just, you know we have more of a reserve, no nonsense. Give no thought that you're flirting in any kind of way, that you are just no nonsense. You're not giving out numbers and Gmail. You know you send everybody to your website, send everybody to your personal, to your public website for your contact information, not a bunch of personal stuff going on you have to really be careful about because everybody's not on the up and up, okay, and so you have to cover your witness and make sure that you have more of a like, a no nonsense when it comes to how you interact with other men.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:08:25

Great wisdom, great wisdom. I need to make a note for that. Yeah, that is that is, that is that is good, that is, that is good. Apostle, as we close apostle, I've noticed you seem to have good, good relationship with fellow ministers. I know you do your Apostolic hub. You interact with other pastors within your city and abroad and I think that's wonderful, that it seems like that you, you, you have great work relationships.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:09:01

I see a lot of pastors and people that don't, you know, have those relationships Like that. I don't think mine. I don't have adversarial relationships with other pastors and leaders, not adversarial, but I wouldn't categorize some of them as probably being as, maybe as tight knit as you. So I want to salute you for being able to to do that. You know, to have those relationships.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:09:30

Can you maybe speak to maybe ministers or pastors or whoever? Just the importance of navigating relationships with other church leaders where the pastor to pastor ministers, because relationships are so important, you know they're so important. That's one of the mistakes probably I thought I made and made earlier and I didn't make it, but because my natural personalities and introvert, I had to learn to be more outward, going to be effective in my pastoral ministry and my apostolic ministry, because that's not my natural being, it's to be outward facing. My natural being is introvert. It's just a gift when I'm in public. But I realized I had to become more people, person, and so I didn't get those things out the gate. Can you kind of share with those that might, because I'm knowing now that I am, I mean, a lot of other pastors I can tell you introvert because they're good people, they withdraw from relationship and so can you speak to that. I think you maybe help a lot in the area, right?

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:10:35

I would say two things. One, what God has for you is for you. Every pastor, especially on the pastorial, that people that have congregations many times what causes pastors to draw back is well, if I bring my people over here, they might stay. If I get too, you know, too interactive with others, they might hear another pastor or hear this or that, and you know so. It's this competitiveness that happens within ministers, especially pastors and leaders, and that causes some of that withdrawing. But we just have to know that what God has for you is for you.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:11:15

And the biggest thing I would say, as ministry leaders, we're always building community for other people. We're always like putting this podcast or this community small group and we're having this women's gathering, so we're always creating community. But every five-fold minister needs community. You need a circle of other leaders, other people that you can talk to, that you can cry with, that you can share, whatever, that you can go to the bowling or have fun with or whatever. And so the need for community. So if you see other pastors as community, they're not my competition, but you are my community. You are where I may need to lean if I'm having a hard day, you know. And then it's saying see, if you become a safe place, you will reap a safe place. So then it's every minister saying you know what? I need to be a safe place so that I can reap a safe place, so that other people will be drawn to me because they say you know they're authentic.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:12:24

What I say stays there. You know, I can talk to her. She's not. She's not, he's not judging me, frowning on me, you know. And so now, when my day comes, that I need I have this community that's been built. Because I became community, I was interested in what they were doing. I didn't. I wasn't on the phone telling them about the 10 people who joined this week and the three, you know, the, the new institute that I started and my new. But I listened to you, I was, I was there for you, I was concerned about you. And so there that community is building and those threats are going, the feeling of feeling threatened that's going down, the walls are coming down, and so now the enemy, we become a humongous threat in that local community because there's such an up up there's, there's been such a buildup of a kingdom community amongst leaders, amongst leaders. So that's just a little of what I would say.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:13:29

Oh man, that's not a little, that's a lot. You gave a lot of wisdom, apostle. I've so enjoyed this podcast with you. Thank you for your time. You really pour out and I think you shared some things. That's going to help those ministers that are listening have the longevity. Is there any final thought that you was just anything on your heart you would like to say before we end our time together?

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:13:56

Yeah, it's second Timothy, I believe it's four in one, where Paul said I charge you before the Lord Jesus to preach the word in season, out of season. And I want to encourage every five full minister to be happy about the Lord Jesus. And I want to encourage every five full minister to be happy about the call of God that's on your life. Don't look at it as, oh, you know, I'm just stressed out and all this pressure, but enjoy the joy of the journey that you get to walk with God, that you get to minister and teach and be the mouthpiece of the Lord. So enjoy the journey, enjoy the call. Love God's people, just love them in the good days. The bad days, love them and feed his sheep, feed his sheep, and we salute each one of you. God bless you.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:14:51

Amen, apostle, tell our listeners again how they can get in contact with you and, if they're ever in the Colorado Springs area, when they could come by and maybe see you.

Apostle Cherry Hill 1:15:02

Absolutely. You can contact me at rainglobalorg. That's our official website. My Gmail has been rolling on the screen, you know, just throughout this time, but it's rainglobaloffice. There it is at gmailcom. We're located in the beautiful city of Colorado Springs, at 5125 North Union Boulevard. We currently meet on Saturday mornings at 10 am, and then our Wednesday night small group is 7 o'clock pm, and so those are our service times. I meet every week Monday. I meet four days out of the week, monday through Thursday for Remnant Nation. You can see all of that at rainglobalorg.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:15:44

Amen. Thank you, apostle, and to those that have been with us today. You need to go back and listen to this again and again. I believe it will bless your soul. Be sure you do leave us a review. Let us know how you enjoyed the podcast. Be sure, also, you look through the show notes. You can see how you can get some great material. I have a book that I want to bless you with, entitled Longevity and Ministry. Having that Good Foundation, it's just a free resource that I want to put in your hand. I believe it may help you in this endeavor. Be sure you look in the show notes. You'll see a link tree for that. I pray that you avail yourself to it. I want you to remember, no matter where you are or what you experience in your life, never forget. God has destined you for greatness. I believe that you're going to live better. I believe that you're going to do better and you're going to experience all the brilliance that God has for you. God bless you. We'll see you on our next podcast.