Ministers that Excel Know How to Lead Well with Dr. Dexter Howard

Embark on a journey of self-awareness and growth with us as we dissect the crucial elements of Five-Fold Ministry leadership. Pastor Howard, with his thriving ministries in Fayetteville and Charlotte, brings to the table his wisdom on maintaining spiritual vitality amidst his roles as a pastor, husband, and father. We reflect on the power of our friendship and the shared experiences that have shaped our outlook on leadership. This episode is an invitation to leaders everywhere to fill their tanks and balance their multifaceted lives with grace and effectiveness.

Prepare to redefine yourself beyond titles and roles, embracing the multitude of dimensions that make you uniquely influential. It's not just about positions; it's about the person behind the pulpit, the individual beyond the office door—this episode promises to guide you in unveiling that dynamic identity.

We wrap up with a masterclass in leadership dynamics, from casting visions to resolving conflicts. Through self-evaluation and coaching, discover strategies for enhancing performance and achieving excellence. Learn why a well-rounded vocabulary isn't just about articulation—it's about confidence and the ability to lead with precision. Join me, Dr. Robert F. Dial, and Pastor Dexter Howard, as we equip you with the tools to navigate the complexities of leadership and leave a legacy of impactful influence.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:05

Welcome to the Five-Fold Food Podcast hosted by Dr Robert F Dowell, where ministers receive the spiritual nourishment they need to succeed. The Word of God declares and he gave some apostles and some prophets and some evangelists and some pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Prepare to receive revelation, wisdom and insight to empower your ministry for victory. Now let's eat.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 0:37

Praise the Lord. God bless each and every one of you. Welcome to the Five-Fold Food Podcast. I'm your host, dr Robert F Dowell. I'm so delighted that you've chosen to be with us for another episode. I want to encourage you, wherever you may be watching this or listening to this, that you would like and subscribe. If you're on Apple Podcasts, spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, be sure you subscribe so that you can get the latest episodes. I believe they will indeed feed you well so that you may be able to excel in your five-fold ministry. Also, be sure that you'll be so kind and leave us a review. If the podcast is really blessing you be sure that you do leave us a five-star review. If it's been a blessing to you, it'll help push it out in the algorithm and more people will be able to be blessed by the podcast as well. If you're on YouTube and you're watching it visually, be sure that you share it out so that others may be blessed by it. Also, if you look down in the show notes, you will see some links where I have some materials that really help you in your five-fold ministry some free resources and material that I believe will be a blessing to you. You'll be able to see those in the show notes in my link tree Also, if you'd be so kind. We appreciate your support. If you're supporting this podcast, you'll see that on your platform. You'll see a way that you can donate. Any amount will be a blessing to us.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 2:10

I'm excited about today's podcast. I have someone special that's going to be with me today and I want to bring them on. Today. I have my good friend, pastor Dexter Howard. Dr Howard pastors in Charlotte, north Carolina. I want to just welcome you, my friend Dexter. Welcome to 5.4.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 2:32

Hello hello, hello, good, good to have you, man. How are we doing, dexter?

Dr. Dexter Howard 2:36

Man, I'm wonderful man Woke up this morning 5 am, went to morning prayer at our church. We've been in 21 days of prayer and fasting and it's been amazing. Then I went straight to the gym, got a workout in and, man, I'm locked and loaded. I'm ready to go. I got my cup of tea, I'm ready to go.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 2:57

Well, man, you know we've been doing five-fold food really for years before we were doing it on the podcast. You know we done it years ago when it was in a form with just a cassette, and you know we had a four-tree relationship About 20-plus years ago. Yep, yeah, 20, maybe 2001,. Something like that, maybe around 2001. We had just a cassette. I interviewed you and your wife and we did a version of that. But when we're always together, I'm always pulling on you and we're questioning one another, and so what a blessing to have you here. For those that don't know, I want to introduce Pastor Dexter. He's just a real great good friend of mine. You know Jonathan, my life, you know a brother from another mother and I just thank God for him. For those that are not familiar with Dr Howard, he has been in ministry for over 30 years. So kind of put a context. He's not new to this. He is true to this ministers. He's been in ministry for over 30 years. He founded he's a founder of the Restoration Church. He founded it in 1998 in Fayetteville, arkansas. It's still a thriving ministry that's going forth, making a difference in northwest Arkansas. Then also in 2014, he went across country to the East Coast and he founded another work, the Restoration Church in Charlotte, north Carolina, and there they are growing vibrant ministry that he oversees as well.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 4:32

He's an apostolic man of God. He received his apostolic commission in 2022. He has an earned doctorate degree. He's the father of six wonderful daughters Hallelujah and so he's married to his wife that works alongside him, Pastor Jeanette, and they're doing a great work. Out of all the things that I can say and I can say so many things about this man of God he's an author. He's a podcaster as well. Him and his wife do a podcast for couples but more than that, he's my friend, and I mean he's been a friend for so many years and been a great example and motivated my life.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 5:12

And I was just telling him before we got on, before we could start, I said we'll just go ahead and start the cameraman because we'll get talking and we know that you got some things that you got to do and we got schedules. But, man, it's good to see him. I hadn't been able to, we hadn't been able to talk for the last you know, maybe month or so, but good able to see him and just to let you know, dexter, you've been such a blessing man. It's always. It's exciting whenever we connect and we're talking. It's always a blessing and no false flattery.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 5:40

I always leave better after our conversation. So when you came on the screen we're getting to talk to the eight decks you know we haven't been able to talk. You know we normally do a book club and stuff together and we go through and we learn together, but we haven't been able to get started with that yet just in this season. But when we always talk I always leave better. And I tell Pastor Howell, he's a former college D1 football player, played for the University of Arkansas and he was one of them D-ins and we know now that's a valuable place now. Back then it didn't seem to have the value, but now it has a lot of value being able to come around that end and make some splash plays Monetary value as well.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 6:24

It does. They value the ends. He's a D in in the spirit. I often tell him that he's making splash plays, you know, and, and normally that DN are leaders. They are leaders on that defense. Why? Because they are game changers.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 6:41

And I and I feel God speaking to us already, dexter, those D-N because they're game changers, they're leaders and leaders are game changers. And what God want his five-fold ministers to be, he want us to be game changers. So if we're going to be game changers, we have to be leaders as well. And so what we've been dealing with, Dexter, in this series of teachings dealing with the fivefold ministry. I've been talking about how that God, we've been dealing with the subject of how that God wants his ministers to be able to lead. So ministers that excel are ministers that know how to lead well. And so I want to bring you in on this conversation. But before we get started, dexter, you can teach us, man, how to make some of these flash plays in the spirit, if there's any other projects, anything that you have going on, and as we do this recording, it's 2024. So maybe some things that might going on, people can get in contact with you because we know after the interview. Some people are going to want to connect with this man of.

Dr. Dexter Howard 7:48

God, yeah, yeah, my wife and I, we really have a burden and a passion for this next gen, for this next generation. Family, family, we all know, is the building block to the success of our society. And so, with the demise of the family, we're all in trouble and we see our family structure being systematically torn down. And so, my wife and I, we just have such a strong burden and passion for young families and we want to change the narrative. We want to teach these young couples that number one marriage and family, is the absolute most powerful institution on the face of the earth in which a child, it can lend itself to a child becoming a successful citizen, a viable citizen in their society, in their culture. Family helps to produce that. Without it, we see the results of what it has produced in our children's lives. I could have very easily been a statistic myself, and so we want to change the narrative. We see more and more that young, young people, they're not even getting married. Now you got young sons, some of their counterparts, they're, they're, they're choosing even to live under the same roof, but not get married, because they haven't seen a successful model or it just seems like it doesn't work, they don't value it, and so we want to come in and we want to change the narrative and we're going to do just that in 2024.

Dr. Dexter Howard 9:37

We have launched a 10 city tour and I've told you about that. I've shared my heart with you about that. Hopefully we'll be coming to Lawton later on if we can get that worked out schedule wise, but we are launching a 10 city tour. We already got five cities locked and loaded and confirmed that we're going to, that. We're going to be in, and pastors are absolutely all over this. They're like we need this, we got to have it, and so that's what my wife and I are doing in 2024, along with pastoring. We're calling it a House United Marriage Plus Family Live Tour and we're already going to be in Charlotte.

Dr. Dexter Howard 10:21

We're going to be launching in Charlotte Friday, february the 9th. It's just a one night event, so if we come to your area, look us up, man, if you're married, please you and your spouse, come out and join us. We're going to be in North Little Rock, arkansas, at Full Council Metro Church Apostle Silas Johnson, february the 6th. Friday, february the 16th. We just confirmed a date for June the 28th. Friday, june the 28th in Winston-Salem, north Carolina. We've confirmed a date for September the 27th, friday, september the 27th in Savannah Georgia. We are still awaiting some other cities to confirm. The pastor said we're going to do it, we're just looking for a date. So please be in prayer for that. We believe that God's going to change a generation through this assignment that he has called us.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 11:15

Awesome. That's awesome, dexter, and that shows forth just your leadership, leading in that apostolic dimension for families. Yeah, see that restoration in the family and you can reach if you want to contact. Depending on when you're getting this podcast, some of you might be on replays or whatever, and you can get on those tours and be able to reach out to him. You can reach him at DexterHowardorg. That's DexterHowardorg D-E-X-T-E-R-H-O-W-A-R-Dorg. You can reach him there. Also, if you want to make contact with the ministry, they have a ministry in Fayetteville, arkansas, and also in the Charlotte area, north Carolina. You can reach him at TheRestorationPlaceorg. That's TheRestorationPlaceorg. I believe him and his wife feel blessed and they are a powerhouse couple, awesome, doing awesome things. We believe they'll bless you in a powerful way. And uh, pastor dexter, I was telling you even before we got started it was just such confirmation of what the topic that we wanted to talk with, that I believe some things that God has always put on your heart you know in terms of leading and ministering.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 12:30

I saw a message that you were doing. You all had a vision night and sharing with the congregation the vision and it was such confirmation before I knew all that we had planned to have this time. So I know we're in the right place. We're talking about ministers that excel.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 12:47

They know how to lead well and I think, as we begin this conversation, dexter, can you maybe help not only just pastors, but five-fold ministers? I think it's something that we cannot be emphasized enough. Why is crucial to to excel, to be excellent, to be good in outside of the pulpit yeah, lead outside of that. Can you maybe, maybe help us wrap our mind around that? Why that's so important?

Discovering Self-Awareness and Potential

Dr. Dexter Howard 13:21

Because you know preachers they want to, you know, we think, think about sermonizing, giving a message and moving forth in the prophetic, you know, and the revelations, uh, and the subject of leadership is not always something that preachers talk about right, right, exactly, you know, uh, robert, um, I uh have talked to you and our other, jonathan, this, and is with great regret in my heart that our forefathers, they, didn't really steer us towards this and I so wish they had of, and maybe it's just because they didn't even have the revelation and the potential of what it could mean for us, just just in terms of not boxing ourself in as a pastor. My wife asked me a question. My wife is a life coach and you know, jeanette, you know she's like you, robert. She likes to ask probing questions and get you to thinking, probing questions and get you to thinking. And she said who are you? And I said, well, I'm Dexter, I'm a pastor. She says, yeah, I knew you were going to say that. She said but who are you? She said that is not who you are, that's what you do. You are not a pastor, that's what you do, you pastor, you have defined yourself by what you do and so you have boxed yourself in. I mean, she really brought me to a place of awareness.

Dr. Dexter Howard 14:59

I think all leaders, they must have great self-awareness, especially if you're going to be a next level leader. You got to have great self-awareness, especially if you're going to be a next level leader. You got to have great self self-awareness and I came to a point of self-awareness in that, in that moment, when she asked me that question, and uh, and it was uh, it really scared me, scared me to life. I won't say scared me to death, but it scared me to life because For the first time I had to come face to face with that question and I didn't have the answer because I had so boxed myself, I so allowed myself to be boxed in to a certain thing inside the four walls of the church. Who are you outside of these confines? And so I had to start defining that. I had to come to terms with that and I really had to have a remaking. I had to be reborn, of sorts and really figure out who was this person, who was this man. And I'm still kind of figuring it out. To be quite honest with you, that was several years ago when my wife asked me that I was in my 40s. I'm 53 now and I've gotten a whole lot closer to being able to answer that question, a whole lot closer.

Dr. Dexter Howard 16:29

I'm a change agent. I know that. I'm a change agent for greater potential. I have to pull potential. I have to bring people into their full potential. God has gifted me with that ability.

Dr. Dexter Howard 16:44

I am a leadership coach. I am called to leaders. I help leaders to transition from the level that they're on to the next level. I am a champion. I'm a champion of leaders, but I'm also a champion of courageous manhood, and so I've allowed these things to help me to traverse beyond the four walls of the church, which is absolutely critical, especially in the day and time in which we live. And it also speaks to establishing opportunities for you to be able to take advantage and maximize the gifts and the skillset that God has given you, for you to be able to maximize that to your advantage, to you and your family's advantage. Everybody else is doing it.

Dr. Dexter Howard 17:48

I see no reason why a pastor, if he or she has a certain skillset, or an evangelist or an apostle don't, please, don't box yourself in, don't allow yourself to be boxed in to say you operate in an office of a prophet. That's not who you are. You may be much greater than that. That's what you do, that's one of the things that you do, one of the things that you do well, and you just happen to operate under that mantle, but don't allow that mantle to define you. I allowed my mantle to define me. Being an apostle doesn't define me. I've been commissioned as an apostle, but that doesn't define me. I can do so many things. As a matter of fact, I use the apostolic mantle to do other things.

Dr. Dexter Howard 18:36

My wife and I. We have a real estate company that we established, know how Enterprises LLC, and we we actually just added a piece of real estate to our portfolio. We just put a contract on a piece of real estate, and that's what we're doing, and I'm not just doing that for me and Jeanette, for our wellbeing right now and for our future wellbeing. I'm doing that to leave a legacy for my children, because the Bible says that a good man leaves an inheritance to his children, not just his children, his children's children, and so that's just.

Dr. Dexter Howard 19:18

I have learned to compartmentalize my life and not put my whole life in this big bucket called the church. I've compartmentalized my life. Yeah, church is one thing I do. Church is, but that's not who I am. Then I got another thing over here that I do. I got another thing over here that I'm doing, me and my wife. We're podcasters. We're building a phenomenal platform for families. We're reaching families beyond the four walls of the church. We're reaching families that will probably never, ever come through the doors of the church. We're reaching families that will probably never, ever come through the doors of our church. And we're reaching them all because we have not allowed ourselves to be pigeonholed and to be forced into this little proverbial box. If you will and so, man, I encourage Robert every five-fold ministry that's watching us find out who you are, apart from what you do in church.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 20:17

That's good stuff, dexter, because what I'm hearing is the ministers that we see excel. They know how to lead well, and that leadership it starts with what I'm hearing you and I'm picking up. It starts with a self-leadership.

Dr. Dexter Howard 20:33

It does.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 20:34

Leading yourself is being aware of the totality of yourself, that's right. That's what I'm picking up, that first base of leadership, and we all know it. You talked about your regiment today and that's why I say that's a good leader. It started with not what you're doing for others, but it started with making sure that your tank is filled.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 20:56

That's right Self-leadership, disciplining oneself, governing oneself, and part of that what I'm hearing, dexter, if we're going to excel and I believe the reason that you're excelling is beyond what people see in the pulpit and that's what I hear you saying that many of our forefathers and you know maybe didn't emphasize what we do outside of that preaching and teaching in the pulpit. But it's a self-leadership, it's a self-awareness of the fullness, the totality of yourself. And then when you get that, what I picked up, dexter, is, then you'll be able to find the areas in life that you're able to dominate in the area that you're able to have influence in, in other words, the areas that you're able to lead in, and then, when you do those things, enhance what you will do in the pulpit because you have influence outside of the pulpit. I think about a friend.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 21:48

I have a friend, dr Torrey Montgomery. Yeah, he he's a pastor, but what he does is because he, he has unlimited, he has self-leadership, he's able to. He's a coach yeah, coaching. You know businessmen and different people in storytelling. He's a speaker where he'll go to different events and he'll speak to this company and that company. Why? Because he developed himself and led himself to be effective outside of a hermeneutic.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 22:21

And I think that's important and that's caused us to excel and it begins to broaden us. Something else you want to add in on that, dexter? Yeah, you know.

Dr. Dexter Howard 22:31

Robert, I think that that's why you see so much burnout in ministry, and burnout comes from when you don't have enough fuel or that thing that is fueling you or resources that is fueling you. You're giving more than you're being fueled, and everybody knows that if you burn more fuel than what you put in your car, you're going to run. Your car's going to stop sooner or later. It just does. And so one thing that we must do very intentionally and I'm doing at 53 years old, I'm doing it more intentionally than I ever have before in my 53 years is I am leaning into those things that fuel me. I'm not just talking about preaching. Yes, preaching fuels me. That's why I do it. I love seeing people come into the fullness of their potential through the word of God. I love it. I love it. It's just something about it. It just juices me up. But that's only one compartment. That's only one compartment. But there are other things that fuel me. There is like pouring into leaders, pouring into families operating in what I believe is an anointing that's on my family, which is real estate, and you know me and Jeanette's real estate stories and how we've come in to some of our properties, even the church building that we had in Arkansas just amazing, amazing stories that we don't have time to get into yet. But I'm leaning into that intentionally now, me and Jeanette my wife has become a real estate agent because we're going to build a, a world class real estate company, a real estate and development company. I want, I want to get into that. My daddy was a builder, my daddy was a carpenter, my biological daddy, and so, even though I grew up estranged from him, but that's in my blood, it's still in my blood and so that fuels me and I'm learning to lean into those, those other areas that fuel me, so that so that when church begins to run dry, I still got these other areas that are fueling me, that can keep me going. And let me let me get a little bit practical on you and it may make some people feel uncomfortable, but we got to have a real, real talk about it.

Dr. Dexter Howard 25:10

Yes, is that if the money dry up at church, I still got other streams of income, and that I'm not up preaching a message that is not properly motivated. I'm not speaking from the right motivation, because if I'm worried about money as a pastor, as a leader or as an evangelist, I got my own evangelism ministry and the money's running. Funny, then I'm not going to minister from a pure fountain. But if I can minister and I don't have to worry about the money, then I can minister from a pure fountain and that's very, very real. Nobody's taught these other five-fold ministers that, look, it's okay, it really is okay. You can benefit from the skillset that God has, the gifts Robert has ability to train, to teach, to put together curriculum and to write books that help people. You are a coach extraordinaire. You should benefit from that. You absolutely should benefit financially from it, and for so long we've been made to feel bad about it.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 26:24

Oh man, I think they're pulling up a chair to this table and getting some of this five-fold food. That's good stuff, dexter. Feel bad about it. Oh man, I think some. I think they're pulling up a chair to this table and getting some of this five fold food. That's good stuff, dexter. And hit me, you need to find what makes you come alive. That's self-leadership, that's leading outside of the pulpit. That's right, that's leading, leading self. Leading self Find what comes, what comes alive, and then what? Leading self.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 26:45

Leading self Find what comes alive. And then, when you find what comes alive, then you can thrive and you can lead in that area. You can still be evangelist, but you might be leading in. You might have daycares, you might have this entrepreneurship that's right. You might do things and it looks different on different people, that's right. But we want you to expand beyond that so that you can excel. You can excel not only in the pulpit but you may excel in life.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 27:15

Because what I find Dexter, when we look back at you know people know Kenneth Hagan, kenneth Copeland, jared Savelle. I came up in the faith movement early 90s and what we'll see Dexter is this up in the faith movement in the early 90s and what we'll see Dexter is this and even now it's just not talked about. That's why we want them to pull a chair up to the table. Yeah, that many ministers that we see them in the preaching and the teaching and their success. But what helped fuel what they're doing in the pulpit? It was their other endeavors, that's right, that they had found where they thrive at and then they were able to help use that to help fund the gospel, but not only in terms of funding it but also getting it founded, getting it off the ground, getting it sustained, and it came from. They had found self-leadership and what they came alive and other endeavors in their life. But here there's two Dexter, not only the financial piece but even the relationship pieces. As they were doing purpose in other areas through self-leadership, beyond the pulpit, they met people, they built relationships and their stories Dexter, when you get at tables like this, that's why we have the fivefold food where it was other people that they met on the line of their journey that helped fund what they did in the pulpit. That's right, see them speaking, preaching.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 28:46

But what called all that to happen? Because they were doing other things. They had a car wash, they had a daycare, they had a barbecue place, they did real estate, they sold medical equipment, they had a healthcare system and in that healthcare system that they did and they still was preacher they met people in them and because they was leading out there, the people that they met out there supported them, their God endeavors, they funded their God endeavors. Is it making sense? I think this is why, you see, you'll see them excelling and you don't know, there's more. There's more to their story. Yeah, we are there.

Dr. Dexter Howard 29:26

We have confined kingdom to the four walls of the church. We made god's kingdom so small kingdom is. Is is much more expansive than your little building, uh, that you operate in or your little sphere that you operate in. The kingdom of God is everywhere. The kingdom of God is when you go to work. Jesus said when you see me, he says you're looking at the kingdom. He told the people he said the kingdom of God is within you. So wherever you go, there goes the kingdom. And so we got to learn to operate with a kingdom mentality. The Bible says in Genesis and that is as kingdom as you can get, genesis 1, it says let us make man in our image and in our likeness. And that's the way God designed man in his image and in his likeness. And he told them now go and be fruitful and multiply, subdue, increase, have dominion kingdom. That means take my kingdom. Influence wherever you go. Influence. If you're a real estate developer, be the best real estate developer. You make people ask about God because you're so good at what you do.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 30:53

That's leadership? Yeah, absolutely. Now let me ask you this, dexter, let's go deep in this what are some different competencies that you would see that leaders need to be skilled at? You know, whether they're in church or they're outside the four walls, they're running their businesses, because I think God is speaking to I believe in this podcast, dexter, I sense this, that self-leadership and that awareness to an entrepreneur spirit in their own facets, and I hope ministers caught that and so, whether they're doing those endeavors or they're leading in an auxiliary, they're an associate, they're an apostle, they run an altar, they're the senior pastor. Can you talk to maybe a couple of skills and one I want you to hit on that? They might need to be competent, but I really want you to hit too. If you can talk about vision casting, because I know God blesses you in that, so are there any others besides vision casting and maybe you can really hit that for us? You?

Dr. Dexter Howard 31:47

need to have a high emotional quotient. That's a skill. Okay, good, that's a skill. That's, that's a um, that's a uh. What would you call it? Uh, that would be a soft skill. Uh, that would be a soft skill. High emotional quotient. High emotional quotient, which that's?

Dr. Dexter Howard 32:13

I'll be honest with you, I really began to get high up on that scale of my emotional quotient into my 40s because I didn't even know about an EQ. But I've always read a lot of leadership, self-development books. I'm real big, always have been. You know, robert, you and I both are I'm real big on self-development or personal development, and so I read a lot, and so one of the books that I read was about having a high emotional quotient, or EQ. You know, we talk a lot about IQ, intelligence quotients, but there is an emotional quotient, which means you are in tune with your emotions. You don't allow a situation or circumstance to pull you out of character. I know what makes me tick. I know what makes me tick. I know what makes me angry. I'm able to process that well and not to project that on people if at all possible.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 33:22

That's good stuff, see. That's why I like talking to this man, why you eating your wings man and we getting this food man. That's why I like talking to you. God, yeah, yeah. Why are you eating your wings man and we're getting this food man? That's why I like talking to you, dexter, because what, what I hear in that, that's the leadership, because when you're leading a church, you're leading your, your itinerant minister, and you have a team or your auxiliary leader, whatever area you're leading entrepreneur, if you don't have a high eq, your emotional maturity, then what you're going to do you're leading entrepreneur.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 33:48

If you don't have a high EQ, your emotional maturity, then what you're going to do, you're going to fumble moments because you're going to mismanage people and circumstances. You're going to fumble moments and you're going to fumble them with anger, stuff that we see on social media. Now, me and my wife, we've recently seen some things on social media and you'll see it come, dexter where they'll capture a leader or a praise team and they're chastising the people and they're giving them they're reading them their rights. But I saw beyond that, dexter, that there was a problem, there was a situation, but because they didn't have the proper emotional quotient, they fumbled the moment and they dealt with it the wrong way.

Dr. Dexter Howard 34:30

Like Moses, yeah, moses in trouble. It kept them from going to the promised land.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 34:36

That's it, yeah, not his anointing. Now here, this Dexter, his ability to lead people with problems.

Dr. Dexter Howard 34:47

That's right.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 34:52

Wow, his ability to lead people with problems. That's right, wow, his ability to lead people with problems. You're going to find that in any area of management, you're going to have people with problems and if you don't have a high emotional quotient, like you said, dexter, being in tune with what make you tick, what make you want to go off, what make you want to go back, what frustrates you, and then you can be able to work through those things and not project those things on others. Talk about it with another. Next one Go ahead.

Dr. Dexter Howard 35:15

You got to be able to lead, not from your emotions. People don't need you In times of crisis. I don't need you leading from your emotions. I need you to lead me from know-how. Lead me from know-how dexterity, facts, wisdom, wise counsel. Lead me from that, Don't lead me from emotional. I don't need an emotional leader. I'm already emotional. I don't need you to be emotional.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 35:50

The leader said I'm emotional because you're emotional. You came in with an attitude, so I got the attitude. I can get ghetto too. I got a way to have an attitude.

Dr. Dexter Howard 36:02

That's why you're a leader, because you're supposed to be higher up on the scale. You're supposed to be able to lead me out of this emotional overwhelm that I'm in, and how are you going to do that when you're just as emotional as I am? No-transcript it is. It's a picture of what you can become. It gives you, it serves as a compass to help provide direction for your next steps. Direction for your next steps. And so you got to be able, once you have vision, you got to backtrack, work your way backwards to what's my very next step I must take. And so that takes thoughtfulness. The reason a lot of people are not good vision casters is because vision takes thoughtfulness. Vision takes you sitting down and spending time to think about what must I do, what are the steps that I must take in order to get where I want to go. And so you literally got to sit down and you have got to think through those steps, because next, after you determine the steps, next comes the execution. The execution.

Dr. Dexter Howard 38:01

Thomas Jefferson said that that. What was it? He said that some people know. He said that a lot of people don't like vision because when it, when it shows up, it shows up wearing overalls and it looks like work.

Dr. Dexter Howard 38:22

Vision takes work. Vision takes work. Vision is going to take some sitting down. It's going to take some brain energy. You're going to have to exude some brain energy. You're going to have to be able to think. Leaders must be able to think.

Dr. Dexter Howard 38:42

If you can't think clearly, then you might want to get in another field other than leadership. Leadership requires you to be able to think, and also not just think, but think analytically. You got to be able to think analytically and that means be able to see how this is going to impact this, how the input is going to impact the outcome, and and so it requires you to spend some time processes you have to build out processes, and people think they're done once they build out the processes. You have to build out processes People think they're done once they build out the processes. No, now that process must if there's a team involved, now that process must be communicated.

Dr. Dexter Howard 39:33

One of the greatest skill sets that any person who is a visionary needs is communication skills. If you don't have those, you need to go take some classes, and I'm not being mean, I'm being just real. You need to be able to communicate, because if you can't make something clear through how you articulate it. If your articulation of the vision is unclear, then the people are going to be paralyzed. There will be no movement. Where there's no movement, there's lack of clarity, and so you got to be able to bring clarity through your communication. That's what the Bible says in Habakkuk 2, 3. It says write the vision, watch this, make it plain, make it clear so that when the people come by, watch this, they won't be stuck, they won't be paralyzed, they won't be frozen. They'll run with it, they'll be able you'll be able to see movement. Why? Because you made it clear.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 40:38

Man. That's good man, that's good, dexter. What I'm hearing, you said that vision is a compass, and what I'm hearing is when you said it takes work, it takes brain power, it takes think, it's going to take more than just the spiritual dimension.

Dr. Dexter Howard 40:57

It's going to take more than God said, and I see I said it's going to take way more than that, and this is where the excelling comes, beyond your preaching.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 41:07

So you're leading in your children ministry, the youth, the young adult, you're the pastor's armor bearer, aid or whatever. You're the administrator, you're the head elder leader, you're a pastor, you're itinerant and you have a team. It's these aspects that cause what you're doing to go forward and what I want to emphasize Dexter, many times people will see you, they'll come to your church, they'll come to the family with House Alive right, house Alive right. And they'll come House United, house United. So they'll come there and they'll experience that. They'll experience the, the singing, and the experience that's, oh man, that. And they'll see you and they'll see you and your wife's oh man, they did great illustrations. You know, teaching, oh, this was fabulous. The, the music, the food, the entertainment, y'all do it first class, oh, this was great. But what? But the key, the reason they excel? Yes, it was him and his wife had a good. How many knew that? They did a good teaching, it was practical, all those, but it's the other things that happen outside of the stage. That's right.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 42:17

It was his leadership. It was what he had a division, the thinking through the process, the details of it, and that's what we need to see If we want to excel. We got to get those things and we got to think through those things. And so if you're running an area and you're not the senior leader and the leader gave you the vision then you got to own that vision. You won't be able to lead well in that if you don't take ownership of it and be able to process it and get it. And then, if you're a leader, you said something key, dexter that vision is what we become. It's a vision of what we can become. Jesus said come, follow me and I'll make you what fishers of men, fishers of men he was talking to fishermen Part of being a good. Like you said, vision caster. When you throw vision, you don't just tell them what they're going to do, but you want them to see what they can become in your vision. That's right. They can see a greater them and what they're going to do by connecting with you.

Dr. Dexter Howard 43:19

It's always the whiff of effect. People are always concerned with, first and foremost, what's in it for me, what can?

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 43:26

I become? What can I become? So you have to let's zero this down. So you're trying to get intercessors to come and pray and you need a team for that. You're trying to lead a church. You're trying to do whatever you're doing. You're leading whatever aspects in your daycare. So what you and you want to get people, you have to always get this, get it clear in your mind, where you're going, your vision. But then when you communicate with other people, you have to be able to articulate that in that so they see how it benefit them absolutely and what they can become, how it's going to make them a better version of what they already are.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 44:06

It's called buy-in, that's leadership though, and we don't get that. They won't see that when they come to your event, dex, they don't see that on Sunday morning, they see man, this is anointing the reason they're doing it, and they don't know the strategy they went into. They said that, dexter, he's anointed man to God. I want his anointing Lay hands on me Sundays are the easy part.

Dr. Dexter Howard 44:27

Sundays are the easy part. The real work happens between Sunday and Sunday, and you know that the real work happens between Sunday and Sunday, and let's make it this way too.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 44:37

When you see people on live streams and you see like, oh man, they got 10,000 people in the chat and oh oh, they got a mastermind, oh, you'll think like it's just not the teaching, it's just not that there's some things outside. Vision strategy communication execution you said what was the other one? You?

Dr. Dexter Howard 44:59

said Dexter Marketing, marketing.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 45:10

All of that, All of that and we have to learn that, Dexter, can you maybe tell before we get ready to kind of land this thing today? I want to cover a couple of areas. Can you maybe share maybe an example or story that maybe you're your interaction with one of your ministry leaders, that kind of help emphasize the importance you know of leadership in your journey? Maybe a story, a leader or two, something like that, Maybe that might help us wrap our head around this.

Dr. Dexter Howard 45:35

You know, in our ministry we do what we call self-evals, and so I allow our ministry leaders to evaluate themselves.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 45:49

And then they got to give me goals. Let me since I'm hosting the podcast, I'm going to eat too Give me one. I need to get one of them. Don't take them wings back. Let me get one of them. Give me some buffalo sauce on that. How often do you do these selfie?

Dr. Dexter Howard 46:03

vows, dex, do them once a year.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 46:06

Well, actually twice. So you give them a selfie. Vow, I like that. See, that's why I said this man good stuff. Hey, be sure you go ahead and do it now, or whatever. Go ahead and text me that form. You got to get to Go ahead and do it now, or whatever. Go ahead and text me that form. You got to get to go ahead and text me that I'm picking up something I'm getting. I told you I'm not capping. Y'all put in the check. Pastor's not capping. I told you I'm always better when I'm with this man of god. He always make me better, so go ahead and let them.

Dr. Dexter Howard 46:38

And so a good coach never tells the person that they're coaching, never tells them the answer. You never give them the answer, but you coach them to the answer. You ask enough questions. Where you coach them to the answer, and so that's what happens in those self-evals is you bring them to their own determination. They already know the truth. They don't need you to tell them that they're not doing a good job. They already know they're not doing a good job. You just got to bring them to that reality. Or they may know that they are doing a good job. You just got to bring them to that reality. So you ask enough leaders.

Dr. Dexter Howard 47:18

Here's another skill set for next level leader. You've got to learn and I do use the word learn very operatively, because this is a learned skill and everybody can learn it. You must learn to ask good questions when you're sitting around the table. If you're doing the most talking in the room, you're not the greatest leader in the room. A great leader sits and listens, takes in the information processes, the information that they're given, and they ask questions to get them to the decision that they need to get to. So you got to ask enough questions. You got to learn to ask people great questions. Great leaders ask great questions, and I'm still learning how to ask great questions. When I'm in a room with people and you never give them the answer, you always coach them to the answer, and so that's what those self self evals are about. Now I give them self eval you forget to send me my.

Dr. Dexter Howard 48:26

No, I won't, I won't, I won't. I give myself eval, and and then, and then, I asked him to set goals for themselves. Right, as a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to start this process in the next couple of weeks. I was waiting until I 21 days of prayer and fasting always start at the beginning of the year and I start meeting with my department heads me and my campus pastor. We start meeting Actually, I start with my campus pastor and then we begin working our way through each department and they set goals and they evaluate themselves.

Dr. Dexter Howard 49:01

I'm letting you evaluate yourself, because I'm going to come back later on and I'm going to evaluate themselves. I'm letting you evaluate yourself because I'm going to come back later on and I'm going to evaluate you, but I'm going to evaluate you based off of your evaluation. Okay, and then I'm going to give you my expectations. I'm going to give you my expectations so that at halftime, come halftime, at that six-month period, we're going to sit down to see where you are and to see if we need to develop a work progress plan for you, a leadership progress plan. And all the leadership progress plan is is this is where we said we want to be, this is where you are. This is what we need to do to get you there.

Dr. Dexter Howard 49:51

Ok, and that's only fair to people if you're going to expect a certain result from people. So you can't expect what you don't inspect, can't expect what you don't inspect. You got to put processes and tools in place so that you can be able to expect from people what you inspect. You got to inspect, you got to do an inspection A car. You can't even get tags from your car in North Carolina until your car passes a what An inspection. And they do multiple series of services on your car. It's like a 25-point service that they go through and they determine if your car is in good working condition, where it can be out there on the road operating, and if we do that with our cars, if our cars are important enough, surely what we're doing in leadership is important enough to be able to inspect what we expect.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 50:49

That's good stuff. Now, was it a story or something you was going to put with?

Dr. Dexter Howard 50:53

that self evals and just training, training a particular person, that hey listen. Leaders don't evade leaders. Leaders don't push off responsibilities. No, leaders accept full here's, here's the thing about leaders you are absolutely.

Dr. Dexter Howard 51:37

I'm trying to think of the word I'm looking for. My wife has a word that she uses with this and I can't think of it right now. But you are, you are, you are 100 in charge. If you're a leader, you are 100. Even even if you have a higher up that you report to what you have been given to do, your responsibility. You are 100 in charge. Okay, that's the first thing. You got to own it that way. You must own it that way. You cannot deflect and say pastor said such and such. No, once you receive instructions from Dr Dow, he may give instructions to you, evangelists, to you, prophet, to you, whomever you are, head usher, to whomever you are parking lot worker, children's church, ministry worker, whoever you are Dr Dow passes down the instruction. You don't go back and say Dr Dow said and so I just had to coach one of my ministers on this, who has a very significant position in the ministry you don't, you don't, you don't deflect, just because you don't want the pressure of passing down that directive.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 52:55

It kind of unpacked that because you, you, you're cooking man. Yes, we smell the bacon man, if you do, you're cooking man, yeah, we smelling bacon, man, If you do bacon. I'm cooking Dexter.

Dr. Dexter Howard 53:04

Help unpack that Pastor said that everybody needs to. All the leaders need to be at prayer at 6 am during the 21 days of fasting and prayer. Well, what if such-and-such happens? Uh, I'll have to wait. I have to ask pastor and wait and see what he says. You see how that that's deflecting no own it?

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 53:33

how do you own it?

Dr. Dexter Howard 53:34

help, help help the ministers hey guys, here's what we're doing. It's as simple as that. Hey guys, here's what we're doing. Not pastor said hey guys, here's what we're doing because I'm 100% in charge. I'm 100% in charge.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 53:55

What's the danger of people leaning on that, deflecting on them and not standing on that? What do you see the danger in not doing that?

Dr. Dexter Howard 54:05

The danger is they're going to stop being taken seriously as a leader, and then their leadership influence is going to be diminished. Yeah, and so you got somebody in a significant leadership position and they're always using you to lean on. And so after a while people are going to go. They're just his yes person. They're not really a leader.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 54:36

And they should know, by your system that you put in place, that you're just not operating in and on your own. They don't have to always deflect and say apostle said, prophet said also if we're senior leader, there might be times every now and then that they might say like, hey, this, but that that need to be used sparsely, sparsely. Same way if you're a senior leader, dexterxter, would you agree with this? What I'm hearing is that's why you and I, when we lead, we pray about things, we consult with God, we get direction, but we don't always say God said no we just say God said do this, we're doing this.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 55:14

God said we're going to do this. Why? This is the direction that we're going. We own it. This is what we're doing and every now and then, right, dexter, if you really feel you might like, say God, but that's sparsely. We don't try to lead our leadership by having you follow me. This is it, dexter. I hear this is good. Our leadership is not founded upon follow me because God said it.

Dr. Dexter Howard 55:37

That's right.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 55:38

No, follow me, because I'm the leader and the proof is in the pudding.

Dr. Dexter Howard 55:41

Follow me, because God put me in place as the leader.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 55:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah, not always saying using a trump card. Well, god said this. So if you're fighting against me, god said no. Pastor said no, just leave, just leave. Take 100% autonomy of it. This is what we're doing. Own it. It's division, doing it's division and they should know it's been prayed about. That's the culture. The culture is I'm leading by the word of God. I'm not in our culture, in your business, in your church, in your auxiliary. The culture is if someone calls a meeting, if someone puts out something, the culture is they're not doing it in and on their own.

Dr. Dexter Howard 56:19

It's already been run down the chain of influence. It's already been run down the chain. It's already been run down the chain.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 56:24

That's your culture, and if someone violates the culture, then we'll address it when it comes, though you need to know it's come down. That's good leadership stuff, Dexter.

Dr. Dexter Howard 56:35

That's good leadership, and I would much rather you to make a mistake in trying to make a good decision than deflecting on me and holding the whole process up because you're a weak leader.

Leadership and Conflict Resolution Strategies

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 56:53

Oh man, this is good Dexter. One problem that leaders deal with in any organization church, auxiliary, children, praise and worship, parking lot, bookstore, outreach on their job and their company is people problem. People conflict with each other. Can you give some wisdom, because this is how we excel? Even pastors, we have problems. So can you just kind of I know we're getting short on time but maybe just even with pastors dealing with conflicts in different areas, maybe give us some principles that can help us excel in dealing with problems, because this is good minister's food, that's leadership food.

Dr. Dexter Howard 57:36

Yeah, it goes back to what I just said you are fully in charge, you are, you are, you are fully in charge. And I don't I don't mean from a ruler dictatorship type of of in charge, that. No, I own what I have been given to do. That's what I mean by being you are fully in charge. I own it, I absolutely own it, I own everything that comes with it. And so what that looks like is if what I've been called to do calls for me to have to address a situation that may be less than ideal and it may seem like it's going to present some conflict, but if I go into that situation and I go into it fully owning it, knowing where we're trying to go, knowing that I've done the proper coaching in advance, I've helped to establish a progress plan, a leadership progress plan. We come back and we revisit it, and you're still not cutting mustard. You already know where we're trying to go. The organization is bigger than me and you. What God has told us to do is greater than just me and you. That's everybody got to be able to see that.

Dr. Dexter Howard 59:11

And so when we have to address a situation, that first of all, you got to stop making it personal. You got to stop making it personal as a leader. You got to stop making it personal. You got to stop making it personal as a leader. You got to stop making it personal. Well, I don't want them to be upset at me. I don't want them to dislike me. Stop making it personal, because really it ain't aimed at you, it's really God. They don't even know it, but by being upset at you, they're really upset at God, and so you cannot avoid conflict. Every leader must have incredible conflict resolution ability. You got to have those skills to resolve conflict, and the only way you can resolve conflict is you have to enter into it. You can resolve conflict is you have to enter into it. Sometimes you have to create it, and those are next level leaders. Next level leaders know how to create conflict. That means shake things up. Shake things up because I see that I don't have the right behinds in the right seats, so I can shake things up.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:00:23

I gotta shake things up and that's gonna cause conflict and that's I have to make some change. I'm gonna be a change agent like you. So you're saying that need to be again. I'm hearing what you said earlier. It has to be thoughtful, yes, prayerful, everything but thoughtful. It has to be a logical, sequential. There's a strategy. I'm hearing you, even with dealing with conflict. I saw you said, like you, that you did some pre-coaching. We know what our objectives. I'm going in with an emotional quotient, I'm going in with a sense of ownership and so if some people having conflict, that's how you deal with it, it's principle based. By you having that, then you'll be able to have, as what I'm getting, dexter, you'll be able to ascertain the wisdom that you need to succeed. There you go In that situation, you go with that emotional quotient. You've got some strategy. You have some landmarks, pre-things, all of that expectation set. Then now you can get the landscape and be able to deal with the problem.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:01:25

Yeah, the reason a lot of leaders avoid problems and conflict is because they're emotional leaders, and so you know they lead through their emotions. I can hear what they're saying there, you know, I want to deal with that because I can hear you, Dexter.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:01:44

I want to deal with that because I don't want to go off.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:01:46

I don't want to go off, well, you don't have to go off. If you have gone through the proper steps, you don't have to go off. You can sit and be very matter-of-fact and resolute and mean what you say and say what you mean, and people can honor that. People can respect that, even if it is them having to be dismissed or let go. People respect that.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:02:18

That's good stuff, dexter. It's good food, man, because what happened is on your job, in your church, whatever auxiliary, your entrepreneurship, whatever your endeavor, your non-profit, that's going to be problems and conflict and that go back to that emotional quotient. So when you are sober-minded, you have a plan, you have a strategy, you've thought it through, you've learned these things and not being afraid, then now you can deal with those things the right way. That's right, because if not, what happens? These smaller moments become bigger moments. This is the key to it. See now, what was a small problem has become a bigger problem because you didn't properly handle the problem and you and I we both would agree, we never talked about it. But I can look at earlier days, even in my marriage, in my leadership, in my marriage, in my leadership in my ministry, in other endeavors, earlier days, something that was a problem became a bigger problem because how I addressed the problem.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:03:19

Or lack of addressing the problem. Yeah, avoid problem. Yeah, avoidance. Yep, I'm guilty of that. I have been guilty of that.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:03:26

I'm not anymore, yeah, but see, that's it. So that's why that, why you got to be willing to enter in, and I think this is why we're doing it. And this is the thing, dexter, that I want to emphasize again and this has been such a great time with you is because you know, you know this is me, that you know, I am five fold food, what I mean? I am the inquisitor, I am the, the ask question. This is just who I am. And so this is so good to me, dexter, because we, we see you and your success.

Leadership, Systems, and Excellence in Ministry

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:03:56

You know, you know the plan of church and start another church and do these things, and people attribute it man, the anointing and the power of God. Man, you know, because you scream. You scream, that's only a small part of it. You lay hands, that's only a small part of it, yeah, and it will destroy burdens and remove yokes. It'll do that destroy burdens and remove yokes. It'll do that. But for the overall, again the overall, the reason that a dexter, howard, the ministry things, they excel because this is a man of god didn't know how to lead well yeah, yeah, yeah, I see your vision, cash, and I see your strategic, even with the plan where you're gonna help me level up.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:04:40

I knewxter, this is why it's good to be around to have fellowships Me, you and our other, jonathan. We're going to do one of these together to emphasize having people in your circle, around you that make it Because, see, you just made me better. I've heard of that. That wasn't something new. You're never known to let people self-eval, or you know I did, but it just it's kind of slipped, like Peter. So I'm going to put you and remember it, I never equated to like I need to. I need to do that and let them set their own goal. Yeah, we do it, I know it.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:05:18

But being strategic, in other words, leading, see, and this is the thing I want to say, dexter, so they'll come, they'll see what you do and they'll say, hey, almost like the Queen of Sheba, man, my breath taken away. Look how the people in their office flow in their business. Look at how the upline, the downline flow, look at how the church flow. Man and people will say I wish I had good workers like you. I can't find good employees like you. Good workers are hard to find. I can't find good church members like you, I oh, I wish, and not knowing it was the workers, are not hard to find actually organization attracts good workers or good people.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:06:00

let me use use that Good people. Organization and processes and systems that work attract good people because next level people, they don't want to be a part of chaos. That's why you can't attract them.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:06:17

And see, you're thinking you don't have them because you just don't have them. The reason you don't have them? Because you are not leading. You're not leading, you're preaching, you're preaching, you're preaching, you're prophesying, you're laying hands. People are falling out. People are getting revelation, they're getting PowerPoints, they're getting the word of God right, dexter, but the Bible says my people perish where there is no vision.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:06:46

That's right and the word perish means they cast off restraint. There's no discipline, that's right. There's no moving forward, there's no organization, there's no accomplishment. Why? For the lack of vision.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:06:57

And leaders. Give vision. Systems, bring discipline. You know, I just finished up a 90-day fitness plan back in December.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:07:10

I remember we're talking about that. You gave me some other insight.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:07:13

Yeah, and it was a system. So every day I had a system for what I was going to do. And my coach wrote me out a system, a plan, a strategy to, because he met with me in advance of me entering into this 90 day fitness plan to find out what my goals were. What did I want the outcome to be? What, what did I want from this? When I told him what I wanted, he developed the plan around the expected outcome and he said if you do this, watch this, you're going to get that.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:07:50

And so that's why a great leader, especially in the kingdom of God, don't just put out cash, all your chips, if I can use that terminology. Don't just push all your chips in on your anointing. You are diminishing what God can do with you as a leader when you push all the chips in on your anointing. No, learn systems. You don't have to create them. I'm very big on finding out what others are doing and not recreating the wheel. I mean, I'm a master at that. I'm going to go find out who's doing it. Well, I'm going to say you know what? What are you doing in order to get these results? And they're going to tell me what they're doing, and I'm going to see if that can translate well into what God has called us to do, and if it does, I'm just going to adopt that system, I'm going to use that system, and so you got to become a master of systems and processes. That's going to get you the results as a five-fold minister that you really want to see in your life.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:09:05

And that's leadership. That's leadership, and that's what I mean, outside of your preaching and your teaching, and we're not minimizing that. But this is the food, this is the buffet. Minimizing it Not at all. That's why we need to have these conversations as well, dexter, as we prepare to end any thoughts that you want to give the ministers. We know what technology is always changing, yeah, from live stream and tick tock and podcasting and things change so much. You know social norms, any final advice you got for leaders and even in church, you know, any final advice you got for leaders and even in church you know.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:09:46

You know that help leaders and dealing with all of the change. This is going to sound very elementary, but I believe it's a significant piece of advice that if you follow it, it's going to next level. You as a minister or as as a leader, in in the fivefold uh, every day, get yourself a dictionary and a thesaurus and learn one word a day. I did that for years. Learn one word day. As your vocabulary becomes masterful and as you become eloquent in your communication and your articulation, your confidence as a leader goes up. And so one of Moses' problems is that he didn't have confidence as a communicator. And he told God that. And he said let my brother, aaron, speak for me. And so Aaron was his spokesperson, and I believe Moses diminished the minister or the ministry that God really wanted him to have by allowing Aaron to speak on his behalf. And so, as you do so, you're going to begin to own your voice. You're going to begin to own your voice and as you begin to own your voice, look for opportunities to share that voice with people who are called to your voice.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:11:23

Don't worry about the people who are not called to your voice. We spend so much time worrying about who's not on the podcast, who's not watching, who's not following me. Everybody's not called to your product. Everybody's not called See your ministry, see your brand as a product. Everybody's not going to purchase Dawn dishwashing liquid. Some people want Palm Olive. That's why they got different brands. That's why they got different brands we spend so much time talking about. They're not purchasing my Dawn Well, they're not purchasing my uh dawn well, they're not done. People, they want some palm olive and so don't let that diminish who you are. Own your voice and share your voice with the people who are called to your voice with the people who are called to your voice.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:12:24

That's all I got. Oh man, that's good. And if you don't give up and if you keep showing up your Don, people will show up, they're going to show up, they're going to find you and show up with excellence.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:12:43

Show up with excellence. Show up with excellence. Yeah, man, dexter, man, I love you, my friend Dexter, and I love you too, bro man. I mean, you add so much value to my life and just the podcast and I appreciate the leader that you are and all that you and your wife are doing. You made me better through this podcast. I'm looking forward to that email to get that. I like that, I like that, I like getting systems too.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:13:14

I like that I know I'm going to tweak that. I already seen some things with that. It's like okay, lord, I see it, you know, but you made me better and you're right, we have to focus on who we are. Thank you for your voice and all that you are doing for the kingdom. Again, be sure, if you want to reach out to Dr Howard, you know, and have him come in and him and his wife just talk with him. They're at therestorationplaceorg. You can go and check them out therestorationplaceorg. You can go and check him out therestorationplaceorg Also, you can reach out to him personally. He does work with men coaching his wife coaching at dexterhowardorg.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:13:50

We pray that you've been blessed today. We pray fivefold, ministers, that you indeed have eaten well, that you can now excel, and I want you never to forget, no matter where you are, what you're going through in life. God has destined you for greatness and I believe in you. I believe that you're going to live better. I believe that you're going to do better. I believe that you're going to be better. You're going to release all the brilliance that God has in you.

Dr. Robert F. Dowell 1:14:15

I look forward to seeing you on our next podcast. Thank you again, my friend.

Dr. Dexter Howard 1:14:19

Bye-bye everybody, all right, bye-bye.