110. Midlife Identity Shift and Career Reinvention with Kiersten Lortz

What happens when a lifelong identity no longer fits the season you’re in?

In this episode of Her Next Chapters, Christina sits down with Kiersten Lortz, former professional violinist turned women’s empowerment coach, author, and founder of the Possibilities Conference. After a 25-year career in music, Kiersten made a bold midlife pivot to support women navigating identity shifts, career transitions, and the emotional complexity of the empty nest years.

Together, they explore:

• Letting go of long-held professional identities
• Career pivots in midlife and starting over from experience
• The emotional realities of the empty nest transition
• Reclaiming your relationship with your spouse, your adult children, and yourself
• Why women often feel lost after their kids leave home
• Coaching vs. therapy and how forward-focused coaching supports real change
• Small, sustainable action instead of “massive action” during busy life seasons

Kiersten shares her journey from performing on major stages as a professional musician to launching a women’s empowerment conference and building a coaching practice centered on helping mothers reconnect during the college transition years (ages 16–24). She also discusses the loneliness many women experience during this phase and why community and structured support matter.

If you are navigating a career reinvention, identity shift, or the emotional complexity of midlife motherhood, this conversation will remind you that you are not starting from scratch—you are starting from experience.

This episode is for women who are ready to release old chapters, redefine what’s next, and step into their next season with intention.

Click on these links to learn more about Kiersten’s Possibilities Conference and coaching programs.
Or grab a copy of her book: Possibilities: Partnering with God to Become Your Best Self

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Transcript

Welcome And Show Purpose

Christina Kohl 0:03

Hi, and welcome to Her Next Chapters Podcast. I'm your host, Christina Kohl. I'm a mom of three and soon to be an empty nester. I'm also a certified HR Pro who restarted my career after being a stay-home mom for over a decade. I created this podcast to connect with moms who have an empty nest on the horizon. And I wanted to redefine their identity outside of motherhood, which might include adopt-search. On this show, we'll have raw conversations about our ever-changeable moms. We'll hear from women who restarted their careers and share tips for adopters after a career break. So if that's you, you're in the right place, friend. Let's get started. Hey everyone, it's Christina here. I just wanted to jump in here at the beginning just to kind of set up this to uh set the stage for this conversation that you're about to listen to. This is with Kiersten Lortz. She is the owner of Possibilities and Purpose Coaching. And I invited her to be a guest on the show because she, like me, she talks a lot about identity shifts in midlife, particularly for moms. You know, that that who am I now kind of feeling with our kids growing up and our roles changing and careers shifting. Um, that's just a lot that goes on in our midlife seasons. And talking to her, it just such a relief. It just feels like sitting down with someone who gets it. She is a great expert, and I think you're gonna love this conversation. All right, here we go. Welcome to this week's episode of Her Next Chapters. I am so excited to welcome our guest today. Kiersten Lortz is joining us, and she has so much wisdom to share. She has had career pivots that she's gonna be talking about, and she is supporting women and moms in midlife. So, of course, I invited her to be on the show because that's what we do here. Kiersten, welcome and thank you so much for being here.

Kiersten Lortz 1:58

Thank you.

Career Pivots From Music To Coaching

Christina Kohl 1:59

So let's start off with those career pivots, kind of like an introduction. Tell us um your story, where your career started out, and kind of like the new exciting things you're working on now.

Kiersten Lortz 2:10

For sure. So, okay, so I actually was a professional violinist for 25 years, which I don't run into a lot of people who did that. So that was where I started. My degree is in violin performance. I played in orchestras, I played in quartets like gigging, weddings, parties, things like that. And I also taught. And when my oldest went into elementary school, I realized all my work was nights and weekends, and that's the only time I was going to see my kiddo. So I stopped playing in orchestras as much, and I focused more on my teaching studio and on gigging. So I kept that up until about four years ago, and then I knew it was time for me to make a bigger pivot. And I had always loved coaching and empowering women and helping them see their values. So I closed my violin studio and I started my business. I took some business classes, got a coach for myself, and here we are. So now I own possibilities, coaching, and consulting. And also I should say, I kind of skipped over two things. One is that I had a book published in 2017. It's mainly aimed towards Christian women, but it's called Possibilities, Partnering with God to become your best self. And then I started my Possibilities Conference, which is my annual women's empowerment event in 2021. So that is coming up, our fifth year is coming up this March. So lots of new and exciting.

Christina Kohl 3:39

Yeah, exciting. Thank you for the for that cool that brief introduction. I'm gonna like pull those things, pull in some threads there to find out more. So, first of all, with the music, um, I'm assuming that you've been a lifelong musician. Like when did you first start playing? So I started when I was four.

Identity Loss And Reinvention

Kiersten Lortz 3:56

That is pretty much my entire life. So I I will say this, and this is probably really important for a lot of your audience to hear is you know, I started piano when I was four, I started violin when I was seven. I always sang, I did theater, I, you know, I was in all the choirs, I was in a steel drum band, um, things like that. And it was my whole life. Yeah, I, you know, in high school, I would play violin three to four hours a day. In college, it would be 10 to 12 hours a day. It really was my whole life. So even just making that pivot to not playing in orchestras anymore and not pursuing like more auditions was a huge identity crisis for me. And then letting go of my teaching studio, that last little thread that kept me connected to that identity, really set me into a tailspin. And if I'm honest, I still struggle with it. It is not something that I'm over. And I think this is true for a lot of women, right? We're constantly shifting. We can't do everything at once, right? So we're we have these chapters in our lives, and it can be really hard to move on to the next chapter.

Christina Kohl 5:08

So I'm curious what the timing of the of the closing the studio, your violin teaching, how did that coincide with the book and the and the conference? What was the timing there? And kind of like what what led you to those to to reinvent yourself? Because that's what you did.

Writing The Book And Starting The Conference

Kiersten Lortz 5:28

Yeah, so it's kind of funny. Okay, so when I like years and years ago, like I said, I've always really loved empowering women. I've ought I don't know, it's just kind of who I've always been, right? Pursuing big goals, big dreams. They say that when we're little, we believe we can be anything. And then as we grow older, reality sets it sets in, and we kind of settle into what's possible and maybe give up on those big dreams that we had and aim a little lower, but I kind of never did. I kind of still think that I could just like be an astronaut or be on Broadway, and it's of course I can, right? Like I just always believe that. And so when I see a lot of other women doubting themselves, I've just felt like, okay, I need to give a little bit of my zest and maybe I don't know, my ignorance or naivety to other women so that they they live. Because I think as we get older, and especially if if we are mothers, we give little pieces of ourselves away and we kind of lose that excitement for getting up each day and doing something that brings us joy. So so that being said, I really felt compelled to write this book. Um for me, I do believe that it was God telling me to write this book. Call it whatever you want, God, universe, your higher self. I really I felt compelled to do it and I fought it for a long time. I was like, I am not an author, I don't write, choose something in the music field. But honestly, I it was through writing that book that I really came to peace with where I was in my life. So I thought, okay, if this never gets published and it's just for me, then it's worth it. Fortunately, it did get pick up picked up by a publisher, so that was great, but it was a process for me. And then the same thing with my conference. You know, I felt like the Lord was saying, you're supposed to do this. And I was like, Are you kidding me? I have anxiety just like hosting people for dinner, let alone, you know, having having like 80 to 100 people pay me, and then I have to create something that they've, you know, it's worth their money. I was just like, please, again, choose something music related. But now, like, this is our fifth birthday, so we're having a bit of a birthday party this this March. And everything that I have felt like I needed to do has taught me that I'm capable of more than I thought I was. And so then it just again, I just felt like it was time. It was time to make this pivot. It was time to do something that had a bigger meaning and it also kind of fit where I was in my own life, right? Like I was teaching children a lot, and that was great. And I loved teaching. I also just really saw a lot of women struggling, and I knew that through all my study of neuroscience and through uh my knowledge of DBT, which is dialectical behavioral therapy, and my own experiences with my children, because I have children with multiple special needs, and I've had children really struggle that I I had a lot to offer women who were in this midlife stage and dealing with a lot of the things I was dealing with, but had gotten through.

Christina Kohl 8:49

Yeah. All right, thank you for for that. So just to go back a second, you mentioned kids. Tell me about your family, like who's what's what's your family family dynamic? And what's the backdrop for all these things you've been doing, right?

Kiersten Lortz 9:02

Absolutely, yeah. So, and that's the thing. My family comes first. So my my oldest is 21, and she is a behavioral therapist for autistic children, but just dropped into part-time because she started her own marketing business. So that's exciting. And then my second daughter is a sophomore at University of South Florida in a pre-veterinary track. My third daughter is 16 and a junior in high school and also wants to be a veterinarian. And then I have a son who is 13 and seventh grade, and he's the musician. I finally got my musician. Um, okay, awesome.

Christina Kohl 9:40

So the you felt compelled, like you like to share, and I love the idea of possibilities that you're talking about. Like, if it's because not everybody has that outlook of like anything is possible. You you were a musician and you performed on some of the biggest stages, right? And so that was what was possible for you, and to share that mentality and wisdom with others. So you wrote the book and got it published, amazing, and then you started the conference, and it was just a little probably too much to keep doing the teaching, the violin lessons while you're growing all these other things. So kind of a trade-off. Do you still play?

Kiersten Lortz 10:21

I do. I do. In fact, this is Christmas time. It is a very busy season. I am performing a lot, mainly at my church. So I play organ at my church, but we do huge musical Christmas programs all month long. And so I am practicing piano and violin a lot right now. And I, you know, I want to keep it up because it is part of who I am. It's such a huge part. So throughout the year, I'm I'm always practicing, I'm always working on a piece. And as my kids get older and I have less of their concerts and rehearsals to show folks who and I would like to do my own recitals again. So that will that will be, and that's what's great, right? Like these chapters in our lives, like I can come back, right? I can come back and it's kind of like how in some books at the end they like bring back a character from the beginning. Like, that's my plan. Like I'm gonna bring back that character from chapters one through eight, and we're gonna bring her back and integrate her into the new story. So we can do that.

Family Backdrop And Values

Christina Kohl 11:19

I love that it just dawned on me that so I I because I talk I work with a lot of women who are coming back to their careers and you know, taking time off, or they're pivoting to something new. And I remind them you're not starting from zero, right? You're starting from experience. It might feel like you're starting from zero, but you're starting from experience. And what a perfect example with your your music and performing. If you decide to go back to that professionally tomorrow, you could because you're starting from experience. You're not a beginner unless you pick up a brand new instrument. But even then, you're starting from experience as a musician learning a new instrument, right? So the transferable skills. Anyway, I can't help it. So, okay, tell me more about the Possibilities Conference, like the evolution of that, and it sounds like doors are open, so it's a good time to be talking about that conference.

Kiersten Lortz 12:10

Sure. So it is this year's conference is March 14th, 2026 in Columbia, Maryland, and our website is possibilitiesconference.com. So you can find out more there. See a video of last year's conference to see if it's something that excites you. But here's what it comes down to. I had gone to all, you know, I'm into the motivation. So I gone to a lot of women's conferences, and I just got really tired of going to these events and feeling super motivated and like, oh my gosh, this is it. Like, I feel the fire. I'm gonna go home. This is my year, this is my moment, you know, and I was like so in it to win it. And then I would walk back through the doors of my house and be in my reality, and I was like, like, what was I thinking? You know, like when you're out of your reality, it feels so possible. It feels like anything is possible, right? Possibilities. And then I go back into my house and I was just like, how do I even do this? Or I would start it and it was not sustainable. And that was my biggest frustration. I was like, I have the motivation, I know I can do this, I don't know how to do it consistently. And so Possibilities Conference, because of my love of neuroscience, Possibilities Conference was the the birth of combining that motivation and inspiration and empowerment with neuroscience-based tools and skills for sustainable actions and change. So we want our attendees to feel really excited and empowered and on fire while they're there and when they go home. But we know that, you know, when you get home, like life is waiting for you. And so you have to have a plan, like, and not a plan, you know. Tony Robbins is always like, in order to get results, you have to take massive action. I'm like, Tony, friend, you're amazing. But for like moms, there is no massive action. Right, right. Those little stuff. Yeah, except like the massive laundry. That's my massive action, right?

Christina Kohl 14:07

Exactly.

Keeping Music While Evolving Identity

Kiersten Lortz 14:07

So I realized that and wanted to give women that those skills and those tools. So so that's what we do. And so every attendee gets a workbook when they come, and each workbook is curated to that year's speakers and theme. So as you're listening to these speakers, you're taking notes, there are questions in there that they want you to answer. There are kind of activities in there that are gonna help you brainstorm. Well, how can I, if this is my goal or if this is what I want to do this year, what are those little actions that I could implement that are gonna get me there? And then at the end of the conference, everyone gets a one-on-one strategy session with me. This is not an upsell or anything. This is just let's see what you came up with at the conference and let's build a strategic plan to get you there. And then we have a Facebook page, and you come in and you can share your wins, you can get motivation. Uh, last year our VIPs had the option for monthly meetings. So every month, getting together and talking about what's going on. So we really want to not just help you feel good for a day, but we want you to come back the next year and be able to tell us what you did and possibly receive a possibilities award. And that's what we another thing we do is we have these gorgeous crystal awards that we give to three women every year who have taken what they've learned and not just overcome hard things, because we're all overcoming hard things, but leveling up and taking action, consistent action. And then we want to recognize you because we don't get recognized enough as women, right?

Christina Kohl 15:47

Yeah, that's awesome. I love that. And this is your your own brainchild that you started five years ago. It's like, all right, let's just give it a go and see what happens. And it's, you know, it's obviously been successful if you're celebrating year five. That's amazing. So we will definitely include in the show notes um a link to the sign up um for that so anyone who's interested can learn more and sign up. I'm assuming it sounds like it's all in person, just to confirm.

Kiersten Lortz 16:12

It is. And the reason is, you know, people ask me every year like, Do you have a virtual option? But I want women to get results from this. I don't want it to be a one and done. And I feel, I really believe that you need to be there. You need to feel the energy, you need to be in the room where it happens, right? And this year we're going to have a sound bath. So we have someone coming to do that. You need to be there for that. You need to experience the whole thing. So yeah, sorry, no virtual option. I don't ever plan on having one, but um, but yeah, come join us. Fly over, make it a girls' week. We have people flying from all over the country. So make it make it a fun, a fun time. Nice. Tell me the dates again. March 14th, 2026. Yeah.

Christina Kohl 16:56

And uh so that sounds amazing. And then the other thing I wanted to talk to you about is something new that you're working on in your coaching. So that you've got the possibilities, the book, the conference, but you've kind of been going in a little bit of a new direction for you. So tell us about that and on all the exciting things that are um that are brewing.

Why The Possibilities Conference Exists

Kiersten Lortz 17:17

Yeah, so you know, I really was helping women with purpose and productivity. And then I saw, oh my goodness, on this Facebook page. I got on this Facebook group and daily women are anonymously posting all these struggles and their relationships with their children and their spouses. And it, it's right before and after the college transition, whether it's an empty nest transition or the first kid, last kid, you know, whatever. It just was overwhelming to me how many women felt they did not have good relationships with their children and who got to this point in their lives and did not see their marriage thriving at all and didn't even know if they wanted to stay. And they'd say, My husband's a great guy, I just don't love him anymore. And I thought, oh my goodness, instead of outsourcing this to a Facebook group, right? These are kind of important decisions. Right. I'm going to focus my coaching on this because women, let's just face it, like, we are not good at showing up for ourselves. We are not good at spending money to just improve ourselves, but we'll shell out cash for our kids anytime, right? So I did think I really want to help these women get these relationships resolved to reclaim those relationships and reconnect with the people they care about so that they can focus on themselves. Because when our mind and our bandwidth is taken up with these other relationships, we aren't thinking about ourselves. So I really am focused and I transitioned to helping women navigate the three relationships that shift the most just before and after the college transition. So we're talking when your child or children are about ages 16 to around 24, that transition. And so I help them in their relationships with their child, their spouse, and then with themselves.

Christina Kohl 19:12

That is so beautiful. And definitely the audience that that I am supporting as well. And I'm, as you said, the ages. I'm like, well, okay, I've got a 25-year-old, 23-year-old, and now a 20-year-old right there in that sweet spot. And I think I know the Facebook group you're talking about. And yeah, I see those types of comments and posts all the time. Like you said, it's anonymous and I I love him, but I don't we don't have anything in common anymore, or you know, yeah, all those things that you that you mentioned. So I think there's a great need, and I love that you are leading the charge in this. And I'm curious, so what does that look like? How is this for new part of your business forming? Like, I don't know the right question, Kiersten.

Kiersten Lortz 19:54

Um offering?

Christina Kohl 19:56

Is that what you guys offering? Like what like if if someone is else can identify, like, yeah, that my kids are in that sweet spot of like they're going off to college soon or they've just left, and I'm I'm in that space of like reevaluating relationships and trying to figure out myself and my identity now. How are you supporting those women?

Kiersten Lortz 20:15

Sure. So the the way that this is shaping up is we're I'm starting each woman on a six-month program. And so I really think you need six months to see results, especially when the results you're looking for involve more than just you, right? Like there are other people involved. So it's it starts with six months and then you can extend beyond that in three month intervals. But I have one-on-one coaching and I'm also offering Marco Polo support in between coaching calls and then a group as well. So meeting a couple times a month because it is really lonely. It is really lonely when you're a woman who's struggling with a child or a spouse because we we don't, and that's why all these posts are anonymous, right? We it's embarrassing in a way to say my marriage isn't doing well, or my kid isn't speaking to me, or my kid is, you know, I see a lot of people saying, my kid is homeless or on drugs. I was talking, I've talked to a couple friends who are dealing with these very things. And so we don't quite want to tell friends because we don't want them to judge our spouse or judge our children because we also love them. So having someone who has walked through really hard times to just quietly and discreetly help you think through what next step, what next steps do I want to take? And then having a group of other women who hold in confidence your your struggles, right? And that's very important, that's crucial to it, who hold that in confidence who you can tell your struggles to, I think is really empowering and releases some of that weight that we carry, right? Like, I finally can get this off my chest.

Christina Kohl 22:03

Yeah. And someone understands.

Tools For Sustainable Change

Kiersten Lortz 22:06

Yeah. Yeah. Because I did it alone. You know, when when I had kids who were really struggling, I didn't tell anybody. Or I would only share the minimum. And I have an amazing husband, right? Like we were really uh aligned in what we were doing, and it still felt lonely because women need women. We need our girlfriends. And so that is a different kind of support.

Christina Kohl 22:26

Yeah. I I mean I can relate to that. There was this a season where there are a lot of challenges, and it's not something that you casually talk about. It's it's big, it's heavy, and even when I did open up and share with a close friend, they have no idea how to support or what to say. And then it just it it's it's hard. And people, unless you've been through it, it it's hard to know how to support someone. Um, so I love that that's available. And you you mentioned just to clarify from because a question came up for myself, um, the six months, is it like uh like we start in January, or is it you sign up today and your six months today?

Kiersten Lortz 23:14

And you tend, yeah. And I also have, I should say also have SOS calls. So if you're in a crisis situation and you, you know, it can be really, really hard to find a therapist quickly, right? Like all of my kids have been in therapy at some point, and it's really hard to find somebody who is in network with your insurance who can see you quickly, and you might not have the need to see somebody for a year, right? But you have got to figure out what to do. I've been in those crisis situations, and we actually for two years were in a program with one of my children where the therapist was on call 24-7. Now, fortunately, we got a single case agreement with insurance so that they would cover most of the cost for this program because it was not cheap. It was a very intense program. But um having that support when things spiraled downward really quickly and I didn't know what to do, or you're a parent and you know what to do, but that choice is terrifying to think of what you need to do, right? Um, having somebody to call and having quick access to someone who's been there who knows what steps to take is really important. So getting on, you can get on, get to my links for my um, I think there's a link right at the top of my page for that SOS call. And um, if not, when it says book now, you can get in, you know, see that in my appointment types, book that SOS call. I'm gonna get you in as quickly as possible to help you get through that because carrying that burden can really, if you spiral while your kids spiral, it doesn't go well. So getting that support quickly is really crucial.

Christina Kohl 24:56

So, Kiersten, how does how does your coaching differ from therapy?

In‑Person Only And Event Details

Kiersten Lortz 25:02

Oh, that's a great question. All right, Kirstina. I love that. So therapy often we go, we talk, and it feels good to get things out, but it can often be hard to move forward. So we bring up a lot of the past, right? And therapy, they're like, well, you know, where did this come from? What childhood, you know, experiences has this in coaching, we're really focused on this is where you are, this is where you need to be. What do we need to do to get you there? And some of that may have to do with healing things from your past, but that's work you're going to do. I'm gonna help you see how you're gonna get past this, but I'm not here to ask you all these questions about the past. And in coaching, we really do believe that our client primarily knows has all the answers. So we're asking questions as my clients talk. I'm I'm listening carefully for what they're saying underneath and reading between the lines and then asking questions, not to, and we have to be very careful as coaches, not to try to get them to come to a certain conclusion that I think is the right one, but to just peel back one layer at a time and have them decide what that next layer is, right? Sometimes as a coach, you can say, Oh, I see what the problem is. You know, that's not my job, and I'm not here to diagnose anything, but I'm here to help you get to that next layer and or that next step. And we got to get through those layers, and that is on you. So it's not my job to fix anything, it's my job to help you see what you need to fix. And then if I need to be a bit of an accountability partner for a little bit, that's fine. But my job is to work myself out of a job. My job is to make sure you have all the tools and skills that you need so that you are okay and content and able to be accountable to yourself.

Christina Kohl 27:04

What a great um lifeline of support that you are offering. I'm very excited for you and the women that you coach. Is there anything in our as we wrap up in the last few minutes, anything that we haven't touched on that maybe you would like to share, or maybe just some kind of some final words of wisdom? Oh, words of wisdom. I don't know.

Kiersten Lortz 27:28

Um, I could tell lots of stories that would make you laugh or feel better about yourself as a mom. That would be good. But I I think uh most importantly, you know, you're talking to a lot of women in that empty nest stage, I know, and who are really pivoting. And I think it's important for us to remember that it's okay to let go of those past identities in order to move on, or let go of the of who we were to get to the next step. Because we can't be the next version of ourselves if we won't let go of that last version of ourselves. And that includes both what we're doing professionally, but also who we are as moms and even as wives, you know, our relationships change, and as our kids move on, it can be really hard to see them not need us anymore, but also that's what we've been aiming for. Like that's the goal.

Christina Kohl 28:22

Yeah.

New Coaching Focus: College Transition

Kiersten Lortz 28:24

And uh I know some women some kids pull away more than we want them to. Um, and and we need to give them that space to do their own healing. And it can be really hard. It can also be a chance for us to take some of that bandwidth and and think more about ourselves, be a little bit selfish, but being open to letting go of some things that maybe are holding us back um is really important. I know I I can see ways I've been able to do that and situations that have forced me to do that, but now realizing, okay, what can I do on my own without being forced to do it that are going to help me get to that next level? And I'm still working on it. I think there's this conception that coaches know what they're doing and are perfect, they've got it all together. And I'm kind of a hot and ass a lot of the time. But I I'm self-aware enough to know like this is what needs to happen within me. And then am I ready to take those steps? Sometimes it's yes and sometimes it's no. And that's okay. That's okay. But I I think all these women who are listening and all the women that you work with are really blessed to have this as a resource. So we know we're not alone. We're not alone, exactly.

Christina Kohl 29:35

Well, and you summed it up so well that it's and it's why this podcast is named Her Next Chapters with an S, because there's more than one. When a new when a chapter ends, that what is what allows a new chapter to begin.

Kiersten Lortz 29:49

And I think there are some women who get to that empty nest and they've been waiting for it, right? They're like, I loved being with my kids and I so know what I want, and I'm so ready for this. And there are other women that get to that point and they say, I have no idea who I am and what I want anymore. And they feel like they should because these other women do. And that's, you know, I always say, you can should all over yourself, right? Like there is no should. You're right where you are, you're right where you need to be. And what an what an amazing opportunity. Now you get to kind of date yourself and reinvent yourself and and show your children that life doesn't end at a certain age or at the end of a certain chapter, but show them, hey, I'm just gonna kind of do some fun things and remind myself what I like to do, you know?

Christina Kohl 30:39

Yeah, yeah, it's a perfect opportunity. But yeah. Anyway, thank you. Thank you so much for joining us, Kiersten. And uh, for everyone listening, appreciate you tuning in. And everything Kiersten talked about, the possibilities conference, the coaching, all of that is gonna be in the show notes. So take a look there and connect with Kiersten and and learn more about all the all about all of what's possible. Oh, that was so much fun. I hope you enjoyed listening into my conversation with Kiersten as much as I enjoyed talking with her. And before we close today's episode, I want to talk directly to the listener who is realizing that your next chapter, it's not just personal. It's not just a personal identity shift, it's a professional one too. Whether you are going back to work after a season of caregiving, or maybe you've been caught up in all these layoffs that have been happening, and you're using this as an opportunity to figure out who you are professionally and who you want to be in your next role, right? What you want to do next. And you guys, honestly, the hardest part about preparing for interviews or considering a career shift, it's not your qualifications. It's figuring out how to talk about those qualifications and how to articulate who you are now. And that's exactly what I help women do inside my interview strategy sessions. Together, we clarify your story, we identify your strengths, we position you for your next career move, and we prepare you for those hard questions, the ones that feel loaded and like they're trying to trick you up. Oh no, we prepare you for those. So that way you can walk into your next interview feeling prepared and confident. If that kind of support would feel helpful right now, you can book a session using the link in the show notes. Here's to your next chapter, friends. I'll talk to you soon. Thank you so much for listening today. I hope this episode hit on for you. And if you haven't already, be sure to connect with my like and say hello by the part and thank you for listening. Until next time, remember your story is.com.