The Star Wars Show Ranking Draft

We tried to do a simple ranking of Disney era Star Wars TV shows and accidentally started a full-on draft war. Our only rule is rewatchability: if you’re stuck on a long flight and Disney Plus is loaded up, what Star Wars series do you choose first and which one do you skip without guilt? That one question exposes everything, from pacing and editing to whether a show actually earns its big moments.

From the bottom tier (yes, we go there with The Acolyte and Resistance) to the messy middle of Obi-Wan Kenobi, the Tales mini-series, and Ahsoka, we keep coming back to continuity and character bridges. If a show relies on quick dialogue to explain years of tension, we call it out. If a flashback muddies the timeline instead of strengthening the present story, we call that out too. And if a season turns into a different show halfway through, we argue about whether that tanks the whole series.

Then we climb into the heavy hitters: The Mandalorian and the cost of uneven seasons, Andor and why politics absolutely belong in Star Wars, The Bad Batch and the rare choice to let consequences stay permanent, and the eternal debate of Clone Wars versus Rebels. We also hit a classic fandom pressure point: how many Jedi surviving Order 66 is “too many” and what it looks like when new canon characters get introduced in an organic way.

If you love ranking Star Wars shows, debating canon, or just want a list that’s built on what’s actually worth rewatching, hit play. Subscribe, share this with the friend who always starts a Star Wars argument, and leave a review with your personal top three.

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SPEAKER_01 0:44

Ooh, actually kinda does.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

I I finally get it.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Wait, wait, wait, that's the pot. That's supposed to be the pot after dark. What's going on right now?

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Yeah, I'm about to give me a Twitch account.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Louie's like, hot tubs or ASMR? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Fuck hot tubs. ASMR's the shit. I just found out.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Just found out. I like when dudes whisper in my ear. It's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Man. Good thing I'm wearing the shorts with no jaws today.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

How are you guys doing? We're doing this earlier than normal. I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

It's weird. It is little weird. Fucking hockey stupid fucking hockey playoffs fucking up the schedule. I mean, your team had to be your team just had to be barely good enough to make the playoffs, and now we're like, oh god.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Uh schedule's already been enough for a minute, and then they fired their coach, and now they won their division.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

So they won like six of the last eight games or something like that. After they finally was an overtime loss, so uh uh but I I will admit I was I was confused on the scheduling. I didn't realize you're actually going to the game. Yes. That did not register until you said something about the bus. And I was like, oh, oh, you're actually going. I thought it was good. Like this fool wants to skip. Now it makes more sense. It really does. It really does. To be fair, because I'm sitting here like, how is he not like you never said it?

SPEAKER_01 2:38

It made sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

To be fair, it did start with are we gonna do a watch-along on Sunday night? And then when we pivoted from that, then all of a sudden Jack was like, Well, I gotta be in a bus at five, and it was like, Oh, wait, never mind. Like, I guess we couldn't do a watch-along, even if that was the decision we had reached.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

I was like, my responses were all like, my bruh, just put the game on your phone or something like that while you're doing the pod. Like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Yeah, I was like, oh, oh, you're gonna be in an arena, never mind.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

But now you got your fancy new uh work, your your fancy new pod top.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

I am not using it though. This is still the old monitor because the monitor's not coming for like another week or two.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Some bullshit. Such is life. Such is life. Why don't you just use your TV as the monitor?

SPEAKER_03 3:46

I mean I could, but I don't know if the camera would I don't think you'd be watching me manspread the whole time. Looking up my shorts.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

And realizing he don't got draws on either.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Long as you're whispering, you'd go right ahead. A year ago, dude could have been doing that while I'm going to bed every night in Japan. It's like, man, just whispered me to sleep, son.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

Can you believe that shit? A year ago?

SPEAKER_00 4:34

A year ago today would have been like roughly, roughly today, would have been, you know, end of celebration.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Yep. I was actually on my Facebook memories. It came up when uh I made it to the the live cast when um they were interviewing Diego. You can see my head in the background.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Let's see, they're a day, there are 15 hours ahead. I would be in Osaka right now.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

A year ago. World's fair. Oh there I am, right there. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Tall ass motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 5:08

Uh we were in Japan. My littlest almost taller than everyone.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

I I was gonna say, I mean, it's the closest I'ma get to my fucking midget orgy, you just hang out in Japan for a minute.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

No, no, that's the difference, is every orgy in Japan is a midget orgy do you Lou.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

And now you know why, as soon as I got back to the States, I just you just you just need to find the fuck floor and you're fine.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Yeah, where is where is level two?

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Shit. And why is there a level three?

SPEAKER_02 5:46

I mean, I'm stopping at level two and never move around.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

I don't uh I will take the stairs. I don't I don't need I will take the stairs. We're good. I'll get my exercise before I get my exercise.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

My exercise. Oh shit. How you guys doing? Life good? Too bad, not too bad. Yeah, like I said, other than tired, all good. Oh, I did save it. That was smart of me. Lou's been up forever, so I've been up since yesterday, so. Lou don't sleep. I was about to go to bed.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

I was about I was about to go to bed and it was like, hey, we're doing this. I'm like, wait, what? It's not Monday. Is it is it Monday? Scroll through. I'm gonna scroll through all that shit. I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

Man.

unknown 6:40

Yeah.

Trips Missed Week And Star Trek

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Uh I mean, uh, well, let's get into let's I mean, we may we have a bad habit of not just getting into things, and Jack has a bunch of stuff listed for uh itinerary for a uh topics this week.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Wait, wait, do you want to tell the people why why we weren't on last week?

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Because I went to Disneyland. Surprising.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

I was uh at this point, I was uh we were pulling into Boise, Idaho after going to Moab for the weekend, me and two of my buddies. So Utah.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

We had a because they went to drive uh their their little baby broncos off-road. Little bronquito action.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Um which was uh which was awesome. Very, very glad that that it happened. Very glad that I did it. So um Jack was like, Well, fuck it, I'm going to Disneyland, and Lou's like, I'm just gonna sit here and watch Star Trek and play Carcassone.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Dude, I totally did play Carcassonne.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

So so so the the so so the so the weekend so the weekend was basically like me sending pictures of amazing landscapes and sun raises and stuff like that, and Jack going, look at all the shit I found at Disneyland, and Lou going, like, and I'm on episode seven, season two of Star Trek. It hasn't really gotten any better. I hope it does soon.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Man. It did get better. It did get better. It took like like season one, there's 30 episodes. It took until episodes in the 20s, numbered in the 20s, before like the planet and the and the enterprise flying around a planet looked pretty okay. I'm not gonna say it looked good. If we're not talking about, you know, next generation and modern stuff, but for the time for 1967, it it was like, oh, this is way different than what I saw in the you know the first month of episodes. So basically the first four and then ten and then fifteen episodes. Like, I just saw I just finished uh I one episode left in season one, and the second and last episode was the uh the city on the edge of forever, uh, which is basically most people will say the best episode of the original series ever. Um and it it actually wasn't too bad. It was like, oh, alright, this is this is kind of cool. The episode before it sucked, though. Um some alternate universe episode that was horrible. Not Mirror Mirror. Mirror Mirror season two, and that's really good too. To me, that's number one. The City and Edge of Forever to me is is number two. I don't know if there's a three that I can think off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Tribbles. Not Tribbles. No, that's fucking annoying. Fucking cat throw up all over the ship.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Um, you know, and no, funny, funny though. Just clean it out.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

The the the episode from DS9 where they go back in time and do that Tribbles episode, like they were there, that was good. I didn't mind that. But the actual original series Tribbles episode was like, yeah, whatever. So that's kind of cool. But yeah, you're not wrong. I was basically Carcassonne and Star Trek last week.

Setting Rules For Star Wars Rankings

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Nothing wrong with that. Saving your money. Well, I guess then that's a good transition to the first the first topic, which uh, you know, I think it's gonna be a little off the cuff. But um so I know uh you you said before the pod that you guys actually started had talked about it a couple weeks ago, but um I know this week I saw a couple posts on Reddit and various other places of screenshots of the the uh all of the television shows related to Star Wars and kind of where they fit as far as Rotten Tomatoes or you know that whatever kind of IMDB or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

So um I think it's because Malt came out and everybody's like it's the best rank show Star Wars show ever. For good reason, like a hundred percent or something like that recently. So especially episodes three and four.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

Do we want to uh have a conversation about what we think personally is the best?

SPEAKER_01 11:08

What do we start at work?

SPEAKER_00 11:11

What are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 11:14

And then do the Lego series count? Because Rutten's gonna have those lists would be legal. Those ones are too much.

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Yeah, I would I would call that I I would call that a special like uh the call.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Canon shows.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Yeah, yeah. So anything since uh anything since Disney took over, right? Then that would be Okay, so then the OG Clone Wars is out.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Even though that is. I mean, because we all agree that that is the best.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Like, I mean Top three for sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Yeah. But Okay, okay. Take that out. Okay. Trying to find the list of that they the picture that they that I saw to uh but we can have the oh there we go. Okay. Critic and audience rotten tomato scores for projects since Disney took over. Okay. Found it. Alright. So how are you not ready?

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Jack Jack had given you homework.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

I know. Well, no, I was just gonna go over them real quick and then um the list of like the total of the list of all of them.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Okay, go find them.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Okay, yeah, and then we can debate it. So what they so what they included on this list was Rebels, the Clone Wars, the the seven season version, not the ten-minute yeah, the Feloni Wars. Powerpuff Girls one. Uh Andor, the acting jack, Resistance, Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi, Skeleton Crew, The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Tales of the Underworld, Obi and Kenobi, Tales of the Empire, and Maul.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

I think that's I think that covers it.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

I don't know. I don't think I don't uh I don't know if I would cut count Tales of the Jedi, Tales of the Empire, or whatever. That seems like the specials as well. I wouldn't know if I'd include that as well, like in that case, just add in visions.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Well, but if is Visions canon, though. No.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

Like No, no, definitely not. Definitely not.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

But that's but I would say I would say Tales of the Underworld, Tales of the Jedi, and Tales of the Empire are all canon, right?

SPEAKER_00 13:29

They are.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

So that would be where the difference would be. So But I mean, we could talk about visions. We could talk about I mean, I haven't seen a bunch of the Lego stuff.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

But I mean I saw the one the one Lego movie that came out like last year or year before, I didn't see the part two of it.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

It was two because they were Legos. Wow. I'm glad I didn't see it. Flashlight? Oh bro, you beat me to it.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Damn it.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Um I beat you know fleshlight.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Yeah, it's a totally share one. I mean, well, until you stretch it out and then we can't use it anymore.

Bottom Tier Acolyte Versus Resistance

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Just put it in the freezer for a little bit. It's fine. Do we want to start at the bottom or go go from go from the top? Let's let's start at their bottom. What what let's see. This point doesn't have it in order, which is really annoying.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

Uh my bottom would probably be acolyte. Oh, actually, no, my bottom would be resistance.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Like see, my watch resistance before I watch Acolyte.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

Ugh. And the problem with Acolyte, I think they're editing and like just like how they decided to tell the story, just didn't make any sense at all. The the five bits I don't think were handled very well. But we got three whole punch checkie out of it, which we didn't get out of resistance. The Jedi stuff was good. I just it it wasn't a very cohesive story. I was like, oh, I want to know how all this happened.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

But do you remember the Jedi stuff was good? But do you remember anything from do you remember anything from Resistance?

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Yes. Yeah. Like what? I'm a spy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

That annoying kid. I remember that annoying kid.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

So a i so um so acolytes worse because they had two annoying kids who happened to be twins. Is that what we're saying?

SPEAKER_03 15:48

No, I just I it uh the story just wasn't as good as it should have been. Um and I also it was also tainted by the the interviews. Taint.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Taint.

SPEAKER_03 16:03

If the people weren't doing interviews talking shit about Star Wars before it came out, I would have been a little bit better with it. But I'm like, these people don't understand Star Wars, so how are they going to make a good Star Wars show?

SPEAKER_00 16:17

And then you had that dumbass twin girl go in the middle of the series, drop a video hating on the fans because they thought everything was racist. That's the other thing. That the cast was all like, oh, it's because we're lesbians. Oh, it's because we're black, it's because we're women, it's be it's because your shit sucks.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

That's because you went on TV and said R2D2 was a lesbian. And that doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Y'all you gotta you gotta turn every goddamn thing into whatever leftist pointer is of why we fucking hate it.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

Maybe someday if I forget about all this drama and I watch Acolyte again, it won't be as bad.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

It'll still suck. It might. Resistance I didn't mind because at least they I guess because again it was feloney.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

So he knows what he's doing with Star Wars most of the time. Um I agree that Kaz wanting to be a spy and telling everybody he's a spy and all that stuff was lame. Once they started getting more away from that, it was not a horrible show. But unfortunately, the first half of the first season is all that. But I like the characters. Uh their robot dude was cool. I think his name was Bucket or something. He was cool as fuck. And the uh the racing subplot with all the the racers was really cool. And then you find out that the their little watership is actually a spaceship and they go into space. Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

But would you still put that second worst? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

Um because there were a lot of people. I feel like everyone you everyone was like, oh, young Anakin's like the worst character ever in Star Wars, and then Resistance was like, hold my beer. Um you guys remember when the prequels came out, everybody was like, he's such a whiner, he's such a little baby, blah blah blah. And then they were like, no, hang on. We will make you appreciate him.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

You won't wear him for episode one.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

I think uh I think yesterday was Hayden Christensen's birthday. So happy birthday, Hayden, who I'm sure listens to this pod. He does. We have Canadian listeners. He's he's it. Yes. Okay, so then uh that goes uh that gets us uh two off the list. So but you were acolyte at next to acolytes.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

I'm resistance acolyte, you guys are both acolyte resistance. I'm putting I'm gonna try to write them down in a list so we have a I'm fine out of the group if we decide as the group that acolytes the worst. I'm I'm not again we're doing one A and one B here, in my opinion. Like I feel like those two shows definitely are the bottom of I I think the the top of the list is going to get much harder to figure out than the bottom. I think everybody's pretty uh pretty much on the scene. I can agree on the same page there. Um next, after that.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Um wait, so what was their bottom?

SPEAKER_02 19:41

The lower well, and the problem is this one also has the movies. So um let me see, real quick, they have resistance at 93% and the acolyte at 79%. And their lowest is according to Rotten Tomatoes, um looks like it's Acolyte at 79%.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

A couple of the movies they have, they have some movie called Rise of Skywalker, which I don't even remember. Uh they have that one at uh 51% and solo at 69%. But we're not talking movies, so it doesn't matter. So uh how about next show after that? Lou? What do you mean as far as all the shows go? Skeleton Crew?

SPEAKER_00 20:32

Yeah, Jack? I think I believe there are 15 on that list, and skeleton crew is number 13 for me. So 15, 14, 13, skeleton crew.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

I think I would go back to the show.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

I enjoy skeleton crew way more than that.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

The whole top two theme because that's my that's my number 12. So and I I'm and I'm basing just to be clear, I'm basing mine kind of on a rewatchable uh rate as in what would I watch before the next one? And I'm kind of doing it that way. I'm not saying that all like all episodes and everything sucked and all that, because that episode four, I believe, the Jedi fight uh with the master in the woods, uh that was a hell of an episode and hell of a fight scene in Acolyte, but it didn't save the show, you know what I mean? So it's not like everything was horrible. But if I if I were to go back, I'm like, hey, you can watch whatever, you have a long flight, what order are you watching this stuff in, then that's how I'm basing mine. And I would watch Skeleton Crew um after I'd watch um Book.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

I mean though that's both of them are bad. Yep, I'm already out.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

That's already a hard choice. I don't have any book. But I do have a Neil shirt, so there you go. If I had my you know, if I went with my heart, Skeleton Crew would be number one. But I don't, you know, I'm going with logic here.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Alright, if we're if we are basing it on that, the rewatchability. I would start in on the tales already. Um probably Wow, okay. Okay. Tales of the Underworld. That one was my least favorite out of the three. Though they had a whole Cadbane episode. They had two cates. Didn't they have two Cad Bane episodes? Or like two or three. However, they break it down. They had a Cadbane arc. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Um but uh you're on Cat and you're all over Cad Bane's nuts. So I have his plushies.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

Multiple, multiple plushies. That's just one that you happen to have nearby. Yeah. I was just looking. I have his hot toy too. So that's$300 right out the bank on Cad Bane. Yeah. I just have a$70 shirt for my representation, so you've spent way more on yours.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

But yeah, it's that one was the weakest for me out of the tails.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

So I would go tails already.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

I kind of clumped all the tails together. I I numbered them differently. Like when we get to it, it's one, two, three, like in my middle of my list. It's not like, oh, tails of this one is 12 and the other one's not. No, it's gonna be 567 or 789. I'll I don't quite until we get there. We'll get there. But um but yeah, so it was Skeleton Crew, right? Skeleton Crew for me for 13. Book of Boba Fett. Well, I hate the same storyline of that Star Wars has been doing forever. It's like it's like, man, it's like Star Wars just saw all the Jason Statham movies and said, hey, let's have somebody watch a kid.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

They should have called it the skeleton transporter.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

For real.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Jude Law was great enough, though. You can't hate on him too much though. He was great.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

No, no, no, no, no. I'm again, the I didn't I didn't mind the acting of any of them, honestly. I thought the the little the girl that had what was it, the eyepiece, whatever. Uh I thought she did a hell of a job.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

KT? K something.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

No. Something. Either way, I thought the acting was fine. I just I just didn't care for the story. I it was like, uh okay. It was like uh you know that you know sometimes you watch a show and there's filler episodes. This just felt like a filler ship. The whole thing was filler.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

It was like Well, okay. That I mean, that was the first half of Book of Boba Fett before it became Mandalorian season 4.5.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Like well, that's why that one's 12 on my list right after Skeleton Crew. So yeah, you're not wrong. I'm with you. But because Mando had two episodes in that, I'd rather watch that than before a skeleton crew. That that's you know my record.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

But I'm all then I'm I guess I view it as the opposite, right? At least Skeleton Crew hung with the same story throughout instead of them pulling the parachute and panicking halfway through Book of Boba Fett, going like, oh shit, this isn't what we wanted to do. Let's uh let's put him into little, let's put Mando in for a couple episodes because people love him.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

Yeah, season 2.5. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

And then Jack said Tales of the Underworld. I'll be honest, like the Tails shows, I enjoyed them, but I don't remember shit all from any of them.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Like I remember looking at the Underworld had a massage too, right? Dooku.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Yeah. I mean, but as far as like compared to the other shows, right? All the other shows I like have, you know, but for the Tails ones, like I'm like, okay, Yattle, okay, cool. But then I'm like, but do I have I ever thought about Yattel before? And will I think about her after? Probably not.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

You know, like every time I see Bryce Dallas Howard, I will think of Yattle.

Tales Shows And Why Continuity Matters

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Um so you know what though? I I I appreciate that that episode with Dooku and Yattle because there was a lot of talk at least in the circles, at least, some of the shit that like Jim, for example, and just other people when I was working at Charlie's store and and all this, where people are like, well, from episode one to two, what the hell happened to Yattle? And to have that explanation, I felt good about that.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

I was like, oh, okay, cool. Closure. Alright, Lou, what's your number uh 12 going backwards?

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Yeah, 12. Book of Boba Fett.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

So far, we have we have Acolyte Resistance, Skeleton Crew, and Book of Boba Fett, and then Jack is thrown in Tales of the Underworld.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

So after Book of Boba Fett would be Obi-Wan. Um, let's see. I would probably put Skeleton Crew down.

SPEAKER_03 27:17

Um again, nothing against it, but it doesn't have at least up to this point, it doesn't have a fit in the greater universe, right? Like there's nothing connecting it to anything else. Like we know it takes place during Mandalorian. Yeah, exactly. We know it takes place during Mandalorian's time, but nothing connects it to anything else so far.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

But the wolf captain was OG from uh New Hope, like his species represented species was, and that one pirate dude was in Mando.

SPEAKER_04 27:51

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

But yeah, that's the only thing. And it had Urkel.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

That's true too. Um but I just I forgot about that. As a one-off, like Skeltwinker could become higher, but they need to do more with it. I need a season two, like go somewhere with this, right? It's just as it is, it's just there, and then you move on with your life. But that you can't end on like that huge cliffhanger they did with where they're like a banking plan, and now everybody knows where they're at, and nothing. And people are coming. Yeah. Yeah. I need more. And then it will help bump it up.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

In isolation, it doesn't work because there's a bigger picture there. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

Yeah. And honestly, it doesn't have to connect anything. I think I'm just not happy with the ending with no, hey, we're gonna do season two. Right. But then it's gonna be stranger things. These kids are gonna be 73 acting like they're still in high school.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Except for Neil. Because he's just a costume. With perfect hair.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

I think that's I think this is where I would slot in Tales of the Underworld. Just because I don't my the out of those three animated series, that's the one that I have the least kind of connection to. When I was watching it, I was kind of it wasn't like it was a slog, but it wasn't I wasn't necessarily enjoying it. Like Jack was saying earlier, or Lou was saying earlier, there were moments that I was like, oh yeah, that's cool. Oh yeah, that's cool. Overall, I wasn't like, boy, I would want to power through these, you know, type of thing. It was I just want to get through this because I'm now invested, right? It's Star Wars, right? It was the only Star Wars we had at the time, or whatever it was, you know. Right. So I think that's where I would put Tales of the Underworld there. So we have Obi-Wan, Tales of the Underworld, and Skeleton Crew as like number 12-ish for us. Lou's looking at his list.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Something like that. Yeah, I'll say something like that because going again, again, going backwards, 15 to 1. Um, like I said, I'm at 11. Eleven was Obi-Wan for me. For me, it was Acolyte, Resistance, Skeleton Crew, Book of Boba Fett, and Obi-Wan.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

Lou's ahead of us.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

Yeah, that's what I'm like.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Uh 15 to 11. Yeah, yeah. I just did 15 to 11. And I and I would watch I would watch those Tales ones before Obi-Wan again.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

That's why I was like, I I liked them. So I like Tales of the Empire. How many how many times have I if Duke, if you or you, Jack, or anybody you've been around, and somebody's telling a story, how many times do I interrupt to get details? I want the complete story. And getting that information and and tells, I liked it because I got that information. It's probably why I have Skeleton Crew low also. We were just talking about it. Where does it fit? I'm like, what did this do for me? Nothing. It's a Star Wars story, okay, great. No, thank you. It is it's like can connected to something, and and like you said, Jack, connected to something, and I could probably move it up a lot.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

So the Tales of the Empire was Doku and No, who was Tales of the Jedi, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 31:31

That which one was Tales of the Empire?

SPEAKER_02 31:33

What was Tales what was Tales of the Empire?

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Was um it was That was the one with um Barris, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:54

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With her uh after she got expelled, right? Yeah, her and um how Thrawn and um the Night Sester lady hooked up.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

The one from Acolyte. Yeah. Something with an M.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

Yeah. Madame Morable or something. Oh, Morgan. Morgan Ellsbush.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Morgan. I could picture the Dorable.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

Right. I think I think I would put that as number 10 for me or 11 in that window. Just because, like, I mean again, I had to ask what the arcs were. Like, I'm like, wait, what was that show even about? Like, and yeah, I I mean I liked the Barra Sophie character, and I I did like the arc, but the fact that I didn't remember it all to me is like, okay, well, there you go. That's you know.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

Um she got redemption, but fuck her, she doesn't get redemption. You know what? Put that one below at the very end. It's like number 20. There's Star Wars shows that haven't come out yet. They still at the bottom. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

It's one of those ones where it's like um number one, number two, and then dot dot dot dot 37.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Like Yeah, she fucked over Ahsoka. She does not deserve her redemption.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Um so I guess my next one would be um probably Boba Fett, because I like the Obi-Wan better than Boba Fett.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

Um, so yeah, I'd go book a Boba Fett, and that was just I don't care that he's not like some badass ruthless bounty hunter anymore. I understand being old, getting fucked over by your boss, and you're like, fuck this, I want a different life. And that's what everybody complained about that show. It just could have been a little bit better.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

But I mean, Tim's good, um Milan was good, right in the Rincorps was cool. Take out the Mandalorian episodes.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

But I mean it was cool to see Boba Fett like how he got back and got out of the ring or the sarlac and everything, so and killing Fat Bib Fortuna.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

But I would say the I would make the argument that Lou or you had made earlier about Acolyte, where the flashbacks and stuff like that just muddied that story. Like I feel like those flashbacks were significantly worse than the acolyte.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Because I don't know how long he was with the Tuskens. It seems like it was either a couple years or three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

And again, I think I I think that goes back to story flow and editing. Like the fact that it was so it felt very haphazard. Like they had this thing where they're like, well, we want to tell Boba Fett's story, and it's like, okay, well, cool, you can do that. And I think we even talked about it during the show. You could have had all those flashback episodes at you know, one episode or two episodes, and then do a smash cut to him crawling out of the sarlac. He's we now understand where all of this stuff that he's now doing in the second half of the season, you know, when he goes and gets the biker gang and he goes and does this because he did that with the Tuskens, right? There it made way more sense than them going, like, why okay, why is he walking into the bar to talk to the biker gang? Smash cut to him having a commun having a chat with the Tuskens and then them coming together to go against the train. They could have done the the the story flow could have been way better, in my opinion, for that for Boba Fett than it was.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

Funny enough, that that's kind of where Obi-Wan um uh did it right when they did a flashback with Anakin, they tied it in to what was going on in the present versus just oh, here's a flashback. Like, no, it's relevant to what's happening now. And they didn't do that in Bookable Effect. They just here's a flashback to give you some story, but it doesn't tie into what's going on. If you're gonna do that, just have an episode that is all flashback so it doesn't have to tie into something. That's just bad direction.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Right. Well, and and and it was like, oh, he's in a back-to-tank, and we watch him in a back to tank for two minutes, and then we do a f a fade to like him having some sort of dream or memory sequence completely unrelated to what had happened and gotten him in the tank. You know, like exactly that for example, you know. So that's why I think I put Boba Fett. Because out of all of them, I think Boba Fett had the worst flash.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Like Black Black Chrysantin. Chrysantin. Chrysantin. Yep. Cool dude. Your guy was super cheap.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Um the same 11. Are we all 15 through 11 right now? I think done.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

I should have done my list different, but it's okay. I should have done this.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Just do one through 15 and then go backwards. That's what I did. When you gave it to the city.

SPEAKER_02 37:04

I was trying to keep track of our I was trying to keep track of our list overall. I'm that's that was a bad call on my part. That was one of those in my head when I first started opening up Notepad, it made total sense. And then I was like, oh, never mind, this was bad. Okay.

Ahsoka Debate Gaps Casting Thrawn

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Or eleven. Okay, so now for number ten. This is where it gets tough. Um I think the hard one to put in the middle of all this is number one.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

I didn't see all of all of Clone Wars. But Clone Wars also encapsulates so much more of the history of Star Wars than any of these other shows do. So I think that's the challenge for me, is that there were good stuff with Clone Wars, but then there was also some really bad stuff with Clone Wars because it was so long, like we were just having the conversation earlier about Star Trek, right? Like Star Trek, when you have conversations with people about Star Trek now, and people are like, oh my god, like Star Trek was the best. But then if you go back and like you were like you were doing right now, Lou, and just watching it with like a unfiltered, I've never seen this before, I'm gonna watch it from beginning to end, you're like, wow, like okay, cool. There was like five or six episodes in this 30 episode uh window that were okay to good, but then there were 25 episodes that were fucking trash. And I think that's the hard part is we're talking about all these shows that had one or two seasons. The one that we're gonna get to that had the most seasons was was Mandalorian, and that's four, three, three seasons, right? Three, and four doesn't come out to next month, compared to the Clone Wars that had six slash seven. But I give but I mean it'll be interesting to see, Lou, how true you are on that, right? Like, is this just an extended episode or is it something were they able to make it something different, you know?

SPEAKER_00 39:25

That last trailer gave me hope.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

So I that's where I'm like, okay, like a lot of these other shows I have more of a affinity for because I watched the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

So are you about the blaspheme?

SPEAKER_02 39:39

No, no, no, no. Stone Wars 10.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

I'm you know, I'm hearing all the okay, so what's number 10?

SPEAKER_01 39:44

So you know what?

SPEAKER_02 39:46

I will put I'm gonna put Ahsoka at number 10, I think.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

Boom!

SPEAKER_00 39:54

I'm with you on that one. I had Ahsoka number 10.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Like, but that's the hard part, is like I I'm like, okay, well, where do I put Clone Wars? Because you could put Clone Wars at 10 based on the crappy episodes, or you could put it, you know, like, or you could put it at number two after Mandalorian, of course.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Um stretching, we're about to fight.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

Man, I'm about to take my earrings off, dog.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Jack's looking up flights right now. I've never been to Portland, but I'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

So, yeah. So I'm gonna go with the both on Osoka, okay. Um, I this square I would put Obi-Wan. Um again, I I never thought the show was necessary. I said he they had to have a really good reason for him to leave, tattooing the bail on Luke. Yeah. They gave him a good reason. I don't like that he knew little Leia. And then she's like, Oh, General Kenobi, you served my father in Clorin instead of saying, What up, Ben? Why don't you come help me? Some shit's going down. Right? So to me, that broke canon a little bit in my head.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Also, when I left you, I was but the learner, now I'm the master.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

I kind of broke it too because they fought again. So to me, the only reason they made that show was to put Hayden and Ewan together again.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

Which was amazing but unnecessary.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

They could have done they could have done the live clone wars with just them. And it would have been honestly. Well, I mean, that's all we wanted, right? I mean, even way back at the prequel days was we were like, wait, no, no, no. We want to see these guys, we want to see their relationship develop and then deteriorate, right? We want to get to I that was something that I always felt was missing, and and yeah, Obi-Wan didn't necessarily fill those gaps in, right? And I mean, even we were even just saying the flashbacks of that show, I think, are some of the best flashbacks that Star Wars has done, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:10

But if you make that show just be our affinity for seeing Obi-Wan and Anakin together.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

But my my point is if they would have made Obi-Wan the Clone Wars, where they were he's pulling them out of the nest of gun darks and that type of thing, like then, and then uh kind of bridging the arch between two and three to where we now know instead of just inferring this is you know through a couple of short scenes at the Jedi Temple why Anakin is so frustrated with everything, right? Like you have a series, you have a miniseries, you you have Tales of Jedi, you have Tales of the Animal. Hell, make Obi-Wan an animated series and just have them do the voices. I would have been fine with that. Like, so I'm I'm I'm with you on that one.

SPEAKER_00 42:57

Not to mention in Obi-Wan, all the dumb shit that was going on, like the not the bombardment from space that didn't happen on the camp. There was just so so many dumb things that happened in that show. It was the the whole I'm gonna hide you in my coat. Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Three midgets and a coat. Alright, so you haters on the middle of Obi-Wan. Go. Uh I'm trying to think of something that was good. Hang on. I still ranked above Acolyte.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

I do like I do like Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka. I don't know. I'm saying the the the visual, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:44

I think Yeah, I don't.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

No? Who else do you think would make a better Ahsoka than?

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Somebody who's thinner. I don't care who. But Ahsoka was a thin frame. Rosario Dawson is not a thin frame.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

Thicky, thicky, thick girl.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Like if she was thick in the Clone Wars uh and Rebels, I'd have been fine with that. But she's not. So when I see Rosario Dawson as Ahsoka, I'm already turned off. It's like no. Savine is the best match.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

Um Ezra a better match than Rosario as Ahsoka. So the look already throws me off.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Story-wise, uh, I would have rather all that happened in Rebel Season 5 and be animated. Uh that that's the thing. I mean, the look would have been better for me. So when I'm looking at these characters, I'm like, oh, okay, cool. Uh I don't need to see fat ass Thrawn. Thrawn ain't fat. Come on now, let's be real. They tried to film him at different angles to make him look thinner. I get it. But no. Thrawn's in Thrawn's one of the I mean, I'm looking, I'm looking up here at a couple of three Funko Pops of Thrawn, two of them totaling about a thousand bucks. And I'm all like, like, that's my boy. And like, Thrawn doesn't miss Leg Day.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Thrawn doesn't miss buffet. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

Um, so there's so much that was like, especially having uh and I had no problem saying having Rebels in my top three, and then you go to Ahsoka, which is Rebels Season 5, and it to be like that. I did I didn't mind the story. Um that really didn't bother me, and I liked see where they're gonna go with the uh um Balin and the girl. Shin Shin Shinhati. Shin Shin Shinhadi. Um so I'm very curious and how that's tying in with the Clode Wars and the father, the daughter, the son, that whole thing. Uh that super cool. But the execution is where it was lacking for me.

SPEAKER_02 45:59

And again, I I mean we've had this conversation too when it comes to movies and TV shows and stuff. Is I want to see certain aspects of the story. I don't want you to have two people having a conversation in a spaceship to tell me what why how we went from them walking away together at the end of Rebels to fast forwarding to some window of time later, and now they're just circling back and there's tension and there's some sort of level of of anger and uh frustration and stuff. And then they have one conversation and then they're like, Okay, well, that established what happened. No, no, no, no, no. I want to see that shit. I want to see where Sabine's like, fuck you, I'm out. I'm not a Jedi, I'm not doing which again, not mentioned everyone.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Why are they making her a Jedi in the first place? Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

That's my point, right? Like, you you there was a there's a huge gap there where you're making all of these assumptions through these short conversations that were supposed to like, oh, okay, I mean, I guess that fills in that gap. So that was my frustration with Ahsoka, was that there was a ton of that stuff where it was just inferred through a short conversation or a visual, just a quick visual, like, oh, look, over here, like this is how this works. And you're like, wait, no, there I I want to know how she got to this point. I want to know how she learned this. I want to, you know, that that type of thing. Fine. I do want to make Sabina Jedi. Tales from Lafal in our future. But but again, that's but yeah, it's like they sit on Reddit and they go, Oh, what are people complaining the most about? Oh, they're complaining about the Ahsoka gap. Okay, let's fit how are we gonna fill that in, right? Like though.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

I did like I did like that they didn't get to the end of Rebels finale until like episode three. It was I wish it would have been more exact. They did it, they did as close as they could. I recognize that. But it's already done. Just copy that exactly. Not a little bit. It needs to be exact. That type of shit drives me crazy. Do it exactly. Say the exact same things, wear the exact same stuff, have all your angles. I should be able to put them up and not tell which one is which.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

But but I will say that Balin Skull is one of, in my opinion, one of the best bad guys that they've introduced since Disney has taken over. Yeah, new character.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

And I wouldn't even call him a bad guy yet. We don't know.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Well, but but I'm saying, like, you know, presented as a villain, right? Because in the world, everybody's a hero or a villain, right? There's no people in the middle. But I would also a hundred percent watch a television show that went around his history. Like, how did he get to where he was?

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Like I'm hoping that they that they fill that in.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

It's sad that he left us because that's gonna be big shoes for that guy from Game of Thrones to fill.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

So yes, it will.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

Um alright, now we're getting to the stressful parts here, boys.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

Not really. Not for me anyway. Um that was stressful.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Number eight? Is that where we're at now?

SPEAKER_00 49:21

Uh no, that was ten.

unknown 49:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 49:23

So we're on nine.

unknown 49:24

Okay.

Mid Tier Sorting Maul And Andor

SPEAKER_00 49:24

For me, nine is uh tales of the underworld. So it's like, like I said, for you're gonna you're gonna like I told you, they're gonna find nine eight seven.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

Did I uh Well do all three of them? Which order? What order do you do?

SPEAKER_00 49:36

Nine eight seven underworld, Jedi, Empire.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

I would have watched an order, I would have watched Empire before I would, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 49:43

I would go This is where I will throw in my last couple of tails. Um I would do Empire and then Jedi.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

I think I'll go in there somewhere. Like that's yeah, I would put the the tails in there as well for eight and nine. Eight nineteen. Did I already have a tails on my list?

SPEAKER_00 50:03

I think I did because I'll do Underworld and um Jedi will be Underworld's nine, Jedi's eight, empire seven for me. But I think let's be real, that I think Jedi Empire, that just leans because I lean more towards a dark side stuff. Yeah. So for me, I just like that story.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

Um Tales of the Jedi. But yeah, I think Tales of the Jedi, the Ahsoka story, is a much better story in that than the TV show. Like because you get to learn that was a good story. You get to learn how she to me it again, it's it's uh developing how she started leave from leaving the order till she became uh pendulum or whatever the fuck her name is, right? Like it developed how she still viewed things, right? Like how thing her mind, you know, how she was evolving as a character. Uh I don't feel like we got that a whole lot in Ahsoka. I feel like that kind of was like almost reset to one degree or another. Um, and then we did went through that again. So we're on seven eight right now.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Is that that for for B that was nine eight seven.

unknown 51:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

So you guys need to we're on seven.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

So yeah, you two are on seven.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

Shit. I guess this is where I'll fit Ahsoka in. Because I am not ashamed to say it. I love Ahsoka. I like most everything that Feloney does. And I was super entertained by pretty much all of it. Plus Sabine. I don't agree that she's a Jedi.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

I'm interested to see where it goes, but why not just be a bounty hunter? Right. Why can't why can't she just be Sabine?

SPEAKER_03 51:52

She didn't have to be more, right? We see with uh Bo Katon, um, Din, there's nothing wrong with being Mandalorian and just uh being you, right? So why did she have to be a Jedi when there was zero of any kind of like pre-cog or force use in Rebels. If there had been just one one use of it, and it made you think that maybe cool, but there was nothing in Rebels Force.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

Like Fitz. I thought I saw one, I thought I saw one with um the pe the guys are having a conversation and I uh about it, and I think I saw something where like there's like one throwaway line in one of the episodes of Rebels where Kanan says something to Sabine and like the pen, but it was like in the middle of like a bigger conversation, but like they were like, Well, he said this one line, so that means and I'm just like but they never made it a point, right? Having it be part of a bigger conversation is one thing, but yeah. Uh yeah, I think we're I think we're all in agreement that Sabine being a Jedi is is one of the worst decisions Feloni's made. It just doesn't make any sense in the continuity of things. Alright, well, I mean here's I because of the other because of the the the other ones me having uh I you know what I'm I think I'm gonna put Maul here just because I don't Maul isn't complete and I'm enjoying Maul, but I'm not I feel I mean I I've read a few things where people are talking about how slow it is, and I get that's the point, is that they they're they want to draw this out a little bit, but we're halfway through it and we haven't even like we just finally the last scene stuff started to actually really happen as far as like interactions between you know there I feel like they're gonna have to rush um why can't I think of her name? Devin the uh Devin. They're gonna have to rush Devin's at the no lesson spent three hundred dollars on the lightsaber progression, right? They're gonna have to rush her progression to go from where she's at right now where she's somewhat frustrated and maybe questioning some things to getting to be like, okay, Maul, you're the fucking man, I'm rolling with you, right? Because that's the goal, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:16

That's the I see I disagree. Uh because there's still six more episodes left and a second season coming. They don't have to rush anything.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

But my point is that I mean, what's really happened in the first four episodes? Like, we've established that that Maul has a small group of people that work with him. And uh I guess Ruckcast has been around before, or is this the first time that we've been? She was in Clone Wars. Okay. She was in Clone Wars. Um, so for me, I guess maybe maybe because I hadn't watched all of Clone Wars that Maul isn't hitting as hard as it should with me. So I'm gonna put Maul there at for me right now, at least at this point.

SPEAKER_00 54:57

Yeah, that's at six. Jack, what do you got at six?

SPEAKER_03 55:01

Um shit. Well, we've done all the live action except for Mando. That's gonna be a little bit higher.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Um live, no, there's still uh Andor. Yeah, I still have Andor and Mando. Yeah, for live action. You know what? Blaspheme, but I will put Andor here. I put Mando here, but okay.

SPEAKER_03 55:25

I enjoyed Andor, but is it the greatest thing they've ever put out? Not in my opinion. I like the the wars part of Star Wars. I like Andor, I like everything about that show.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

But honestly, my top five is gonna be more on the animated side at this point. Yeah, I got Mando at six.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

Uh started off a frickin' fireworks everywhere in season one, and obviously season two ended well, but fan service, Luke, blah blah blah. Three was god-awful. Um so Mando, if Fit had stayed on the pace of season one, probably be higher, but it's number six for me.

SPEAKER_01 56:22

Definitely rewatchable, but uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:25

Probably in the next couple weeks, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

So we uh Yeah, with the with the movie coming out, you're not wrong. It's it's a quick watch, thirty thirty episodes over three seasons, thirty-two of book book boba effects, two episodes, which probably should include. Yeah, so thirty-two episodes. That's an easy watch in mid-May before the movie comes out. But yeah, it it just went the the the the rank the scale of season one, two, three, it just went downhill.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

Although I am interested to see what you think on Rewatch, because you're a rewatch and reassess kind of person, so it will be interesting to see what you think on Rewatch.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

I I I don't think I I did watch season one twice. I actually I've seen all three seasons twice, and it didn't change when I uh season one was still good, season two was fan service, season three was Bo Katan show, not Mando show. So Fuck yeah. And that season three is really weighing down the show for me. I'd probably be higher if it wasn't for season season.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

But had they made it a Bo Katan show, had they spun it off into her own mini-series.

SPEAKER_00 57:38

Yeah, I'd be fine with it.

SPEAKER_02 57:39

And Mando would be ranked higher because it wouldn't, right?

SPEAKER_00 57:44

Like it it might be, because the other ones that have above it are still better than even if it was good.

SPEAKER_02 57:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

I mean, but I would have perfect like when I it's it's kind of like I told you guys several times about Logan, how I hated it until I watched the second time with different eyes because I wanted a superhero show instead of this drama, and the superhero show of Logan was horrible, but the drama of Logan was goddamn fantastic. Um so if you come at me and say, hey, we're not doing a Mando season season three, but we're gonna do a Bo Katan season one, and it's basically the same thing, Mando season three, I'd feel better about it. You know what I mean? It's like it's like if you're gonna pitch something to me, if you're gonna try to sell me this, then make sure, you know, when I buy it, I'm getting what you were selling. And you were trying to sell me a Mando, and you gave me Bo Katan season one. So that's my real issue. I mean, again, I'm not sure Mando would even be higher. It might it might have moved up two spots um if they did that, but they didn't.

Mandalorian Rewatch And Season Three Fallout

SPEAKER_01 58:46

So all right, what you guys got for five? Top five. Go for it, Jack.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

Um, this is where I'll put Mando. I enjoy it. Grogu is adorable. Um I like Bo Katan, so I don't care if season three was the Bo Katan show, the book of Bo Katan. I like all the Mandalorian story and all that stuff, so I enjoyed Mandalorian.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

Even season three. Also, I have the dopest poster. I think you didn't just nixt the I I was gonna say you're not wrong. I thought I thought my six was Maul. Oh yes, yes, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

I'm just trying to figure I'm looking over the list, going like, wait, okay, I'm putting the rest of the. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:35

Um, but yeah, no. Um Mandalorians brought us a lot of good stuff. Um it's kept Star Wars alive post-movies.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

Um yeah, who doesn't like Rogu? Okay, I got it.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

For me, is uh Maul. I'm enjoying four episodes and episode the last two, phenomenal. Um I love the way the characters are developing. I love the way Devin has changed from the first episode to the fourth. Uh I love that Maul is in complete control. Uh again, it goes back to what I said about half an hour ago. I am getting the rest of the story that I didn't get, you know, leading up to between this and solo. What happened? What yeah, what happened to the end of this to solo? What happened to the end of this to rebels? What happened, what happened to all that? And now I'm getting it. At the very least, I had I don't have it yet, but that's what they're working on. And to have it all play out the way it's played being played out, uh some don't get me wrong, there's some shit that's annoying. Fucking two-boots always wanting to bring in the empire. It's like, dude, shut up.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:48

We we know he has a snitch, but two boots is awesome.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

It's it's like that resistance kid. I'm getting the vibes of that resistance kid of on the spot. And it's like, too, okay, we know you want to inform the empire. Shut the fuck up. Uh, you know, and I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

But he's a robot, so he has programming he has to follow.

unknown 1:01:06

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

So you can't all the way against it.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:09

Chain of command. Uh once the chain of command says stop, you don't bring it up again. That see, I as a military kid, that's how that works. It's like, hey, not bringing the empire, don't bring it up again. If he's a subordinate, that's what should happen. So that part's annoying. But uh with with the all the other characters, all basically all even the little uh the hell is the little guy who's who's the New Yorker, the mob boss guy. Um all of them. The character is great. They're still I know like I know we're only 40% through it, but that 40% is enough to put it in my top five and number five. I get that it's slow, I get that, but it has to be. You have to establish the characters, you have to figure out who's who, who's who and why. Uh Maul is the only one we really know uh what his history is. The rest of them? Well, we're just finding out.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:09

So uh I'm usually the one to bitch about a slow burn. Uh-uh. This one's great. Alright, alright. Alright, Duke, number five.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:19

Well, and again, here's where the here's where you guys are both gonna hop in flights and come to my house. I'm putting I'm gonna put Clone Wars at five for me. Just my my it out of out of all of the shows, Clone Wars is the one that I have the least exposure to. Like I've seen some episodes, and I think at one point I did try to marathon it, but I just could like life, world, whatever came up, that I just never it was never something that was a priority as far as you know, by the time I was getting kind of back into Star Wars and that type of stuff, I was it had already started and was like already a couple seasons in to where I was like, uh, I don't think I can catch up on this. And uh and then you started hearing all the stuff about it, and then you were like, Well, now I don't need to watch it anymore. I feel like I've got what I need to get out of it. So I put Clone Wars at five. So that might change if I watch it. So I know this will be the end of the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:28

I was all like, as soon as I heard that, I was like, Clone War is fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

I'm gonna get a drink, go to the bathroom, poop real quick, I'll be back in half an hour. Alright, well, what you got after Clone Wars indeed? Yeah, I was gonna say, what you got for four then? Uh Mando. I have Mando at four.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

I think, I mean, along those lines, but again, I you know, we can go back now, and I mean, I feel like at this point we can go back now and go like, okay, so Lou, again, going back to the the the series that have multiple seasons, right? Does the worst season of Rebels bring down the best season of Rebels, right? Does the worst season of Clone Wars bring down the best season of Clone Wars, right? Like you say, okay, episode one of Man or season one of Mando was fire. Well, but season three of Mando sucked. Okay, cool. But there were again, there were also seasons of Clone Wars that weren't the best. There were seasons of Bad Batch that weren't the best. There were seasons of Robert.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

There were no episodes that weren't the best. But there were no seasons that were bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

But over, but overall, like the so um, so yeah. So uh yeah, I put Mando at four. I I mean I enjoy Mando a lot. I'm glad that it's related tangently to the universe without necessarily being like, oh, then Mando takes his helmet off, and it turns out he's the long-lost brother of Luke, you know, type of thing. Um bullshit like that. Yeah, oh he's a Skywalker. My name is Den Skywalker. Grogu is Grogu is actually Yoda's son, you know, that type of thing. Like, um, so yeah, I put Mando at four.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:21

And yeah, and yes, the th those episodes are bad enough to bring down the host show. When you only have 30 ep 32 episodes and ten of them don't belong, you know, and two of them weren't even in your own show, that's not a good sign.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:37

How many uh episodes was Book of Boba Fett?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:41

Eight Okay, so eight or nine. So one quarter of those shows don't belong in that one hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

That's how bad Book of Boba Fett is. That you got really four or five episodes when all was said and done. Or whatever, whatever the number really was. Six, seven, so I can't remember if it was a few. All right, what can you do with number four?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Uh lose about the same bad batch. Oh what is it? What was your number four? Okay, okay. It was a tassa.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

It was it it was a tossa. But bad batch is actually three, so you're not you're not too far off. You're not too far off. Off but uh yeah and Andor Andor was really good. I I really enjoyed that show. It's easy to rewatch, so much going on. The politics in Star Wars that people don't think exist, like uh leave politics out of Star Wars. I'm like, did you not know what Star Wars is? It's freaking started off of politics. Freaking idiots. If you go back to the trade stuff and all that, it's all politics. Um so to see all that play out, again, getting more history, getting more story, getting more details of what happened and why. Andor is really, really well done. Um I just the other three, and you I mean, if you're paying attention, you know what three are left. I just think the other three are just better than or that's all.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:17

So that's where I'll stop Maul at the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

Again, it's not done, but this is where Maul goes in. So I'm enjoying it. I think that the art style they went with is really amazing. Like kind of like a painted almost. Like when you look at Maul.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:36

It is, it is painted. Bro, they they're painting on glass on some of the some of the shots.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:41

Yeah. And I'm like, I dig this. And again, um, like Lou said, backstory. I want to see what happened to Maul, right? Like, we brought him back in Clone Wars, brought him back again in Rebels, and in Solo. What the fuck was he up to between all this, right? So I'm super enjoying it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:59

And I love Two Boots, even if he is a snitch. I like I like the voice actors.

unknown 1:08:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:07

I like I like the voice actors. Oh, and Spyboot.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:09

I like Spybot too.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:10

Spybot I like better than Two Boots. Spy bot's a little asshole. I like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:15

It does look it I do it does look like uh Maul definitely took influences from Visions, in my opinion. Like as far as the animation style and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:24

Like I mean, they've always like switched it up, like between Clone Wars Rebels, Bad Batch, Lucasfilm animation, just they always want to push themselves and they do it. They succeed every single time.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

Yeah, I think that's a good idea. And that wasn't meant as a that wasn't meant as a criticism, right? Yeah, no, no, no. It's definitely much different than than the Bad Batch Clone Wars uh uh Tales uh animation was. That's why I was like, I it to me, it feels like the art style and stuff is way more influenced by Visions or somebody from Visions, some one of the studios from Visions, than from their traditional what they've already established as kind of being their uh their art style.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:09

So I would have I would have been fine with it in either the Clone Wars or Rebel style since Maul was in Clone Wars, Rebels, you know, that whole thing. But but when I found out that they were painting on glass to get some of those that that look, God, it looks so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:26

It really does. Did you do 4D? Yeah, I said uh Mando. Okay. Yeah, that was Mando.

Bad Batch Praise And Stakes

SPEAKER_03 1:09:34

All right, well, it's easy. Three for me and Lou is obviously Bad Batch then.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

Yeah. Um again, it Hey, we're back to matching. All three of us actually have this are finally in sync on something after.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

Do all three of us have Bad Batch is three? Oh, right on.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

Yeah, I mean, that show was awesome, right? I mean, as when we watched Bad Batch back at freaking celebration whatever in Anaheim.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:59

Got 15.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Yeah, it was amazing Anaheim a rough copy of it. And then they said, nah, you're gonna get the whole series now. Um, all the characters were great. Even Omega, even the the lone wolf story kind of thing. I liked all of it. Start to finish, just more empire stuff, how everything happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:20

I think when we first started talking about Bad Batch, I had a big problem with Omega because I was really tired of the like Yes. And I think that was coming off of the uh that was coming off of resistance, and so it was like, oh good, the whiny kid who never who every time something happens, it's because she happened to flip a switch at the right time by just leaning over and trying to look at something, and she happened to bump the thing that fixes the problem and allows them to get into hyperspace or whatever, you know. But I feel like they definitely course corrected that as time went on, and she wasn't near as insufferable as she was at the beginning. I feel like the difference between season one and season two to me, her character changed in a much more positive way where she was actually part of the group as opposed to just being around the group. Um, I like the fact that I I like it was it was tech, right? Tech died and they didn't magically bring him back at some point down the road. You know, like you know, because they've done that shit too, where they're like, oh, this person's dead. Never mind, he's here, he saved himself by like catching himself on a tree or something, like the fact that he was just dead, and then we had to deal with a quote unquote major Star Wars character dying and the repercussions of that for those characters, you know. Um that I thought was handled really well. Um, you know, I I there were a couple times where like a boat would come out of the fog and they would be all, ooh, who's on the boat? And I'm just like, God damn it, you know, that type of thing. And thankfully they never they they never like backtracked on that. So I appreciated that. That was uh for a kid's show, like I think that's something that that that they don't, you know, it's one of those aspects of life they don't talk enough about.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:05

But so yeah, three was bad batch for me as well. Anything to add, Lou?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:13

I was thinking though, like, do I have anything like no, because the same thing Duke said because I was uh when I was going through and thinking about it, I'm like, you know, the fact that they did not bring tech back was fantastic. So I no, he basically covered it. It was that show was just very good. It had and it mattered to the grand scheme of what was going on. We got some history of what Palpatine was doing um on that one planet, you know, it it was just it was just so well.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

Thanis, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:42

Tan Tannis and and and it even tied into to what was going on with uh Mando with the whole cloner shit with the symbols. I mean, it was it tied a lot of it together. It was it was just so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:54

I feel like out of all of the shows, it handled where it was in the universe the least ham-fisted. It wasn't like, ooh, Emperor Palpatine's calling, I gotta go take this call. Like it was all very like I'm here on behalf of the of of the Emperor, but then like that was it. Like he was a uh the guy with the glove. Hemlock. See the fact that I remember names and it's been what five years since Bad Batch was when Hamlock shows up and he's like, I'm representing you know the Emperor and I'm gonna be this this bad guy, like so. Instead of the him being like a middleman where every time somebody walks in a room, he's talking to Palpatine on you know on the phone or whatever, like the fact that he was in a he was he was the main bad guy, like he was the main driving force of I appreciated that as well, without them again leaning too much into the like, well, we better make sure people know that he's working for Palpatine. Like he basically said his piece and moved on with it, right? And all the other things that are.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:56

Yeah, they focused on the characters from that show. Um and even though we knew there was a bigger picture, they didn't need to bring the bigger picture in.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

Right to still focus on those characters, so you know, um and and there was like mentions of them going and finding like other clones that had turned, but there was never like it was never the the driving point of the series, right? Like they were like, Oh, that'd be cool if we found other guys who were like us, but it's all about us, right? So again, making mention of the bigger picture, but not making it a full thing. Not making them a bigger picture, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:34

Like it's happening around them. There's little like spokes that go out, but Darth Vader never showed up looking for them.

Clone Wars Versus Rebels Versus Andor

SPEAKER_02 1:14:45

Right. So cool. Uh Lou, what do you got for number two?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:50

Rebels. Rebels. I have Andor. But yeah. Jack, you had Clone Wars too? Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:02

Wait, are we on two?

unknown 1:15:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:05

We're on two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:06

We on we're on two and all three of us have something different.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:09

Nice. Well, we're back. I mean, we we were we agreed on one. I think we agreed on one or two.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

Number three? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:16

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:17

So you have clone Jack, you have Clone Wars at two?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

Only because spoiler, obviously, at this point, Rebels is Star Wars to me. If I could only watch one Star Wars forever, it would be Rebels. That being said, a lot of that is influenced by what happened in Clone Wars. So I can acknowledge that Clone Wars overall is better and has done more for Star Wars. But if I had to watch something over again, it would be Rebels. But Clone Wars just it brought us everything, right? It filled in the Clone Wars, what happened for those three years between two and three. It showed us Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship, it brought us Ahsoka. Um shit, it brought us Cad Bane. Um it brought back Darth Maul. It brought in Mandalore. We'd never seen Mandalore before, right? So it it had it's done so much for Star Wars, and I am as the kids say, I'm dead assed. If somebody tells me they don't like Clone Wars, I cannot respect their opinion on Star Wars. I honestly cannot at this point because it's an impactful show.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:26

Is there, I mean, I guess there is probably, I would imagine because the Star Wars fans and they suck, um, there is a segment of people who don't like the Clone Wars, like on the whole. Like I don't agree with cartoons I'm out. Oh, okay. So people who are just like anti-animation or anti like That's usually what it is. If it's not real life, it's not real to me. Like I said, Star Wars fans suck. But we established that 25 years ago, yet Star Wars fans suck. We are the worst.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:56

I don't know. Established that maybe 14 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:02

Well, Jack and I established that uh standing in line for driving by the the people in the Phantom Menace line in front of Growlins Theater.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:17

Alright, Lou, so you had Rebels.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:20

I have Rebels number two behind Clone Wars. Um, and it was a back and forth. It was like, I don't know which one to put here. Um Rebels was really well done. Um after season one. Or after halfway through season one, you've got some dumb shit that happened, you know, dude had a slingshot for a little while, but whatever. Um you kind of just get past that. It's just uh there's not a whole lot of bad I can say about rebels. I just like Clone Wars more, is all said and done. I'm all I'm trying to think of like, okay, what's bad about Rebels? I'm like, minus the little bit of shit that I just like like like to slingshot in some of the stuff season one. That show, I don't know, man. That had that show had exponential exponential growth of how good it was. You know, you start here, a lot of times, you know, you know, it goes, no, this one just took off, and it it was really well done. Um I I probably only disappointed that we didn't get more stories of the ghost crew. I mean, i you know, it's like I mean, uh Ahsoka and Ahsoka season two, I assume, is trying to fill that in. I get that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:34

But well, and so is and so is Mando and Grogu.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:39

With Zeb. So he was in.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:44

I mean, they're not really filling it in, but they're giving you an idea about what he was doing outside of hop hopefully they'll they'll give us some exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:51

Hopefully they'll like, you know, since I they'll have a a a sent a line in there that talks about what he I've been doing this since I left the ghost crew or whatever, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um that that would be fine.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:02

Only if he looks his boyfriend called though.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:05

You know what? I was curious about that. I wouldn't I was curious if there if if that's gonna come up. Or or even even in as an aside, you know, the whole a friend of mine does this or knew this, or just something that that has that would be super cool. But but it has to be behind Clone Wars for me, just because Clone Wars was so deep. There was so much going on and so much explanation that happened in the Clone Wars seven seasons, and and then it all caps into that last three-episode arc that tied into Revenge of the Sith so perfectly. It was just oh my god, it's just that's a show that like it's like hey, uh, you need to walk again, you're on the plane, you need to watch something, you're watching Rebels, or you're watching Clone Wars, and I'm watching Clone Wars. But I'm not sad, hey clone hey, sorry, the DVD's broken you have to watch Rebels. Oh, darn. You know, I'm still winning.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:01

Fuck an old man, the DVD's broken.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:05

Oh man, Lou. And the Clone Wars DVDs, please. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:13

Don't you guys have your portable DVD players that you take with you on a flight?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:20

Lou has a carry his carry-on is literally just the seven seasons of Clone Wars and a portable DVD player.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:26

A portable DVD player, right? It's like you you guys probably use those uh uh uh I don't know. I don't know, man. Whatever. Uh no, yes. Portable, it's about this big. That big. Just opens up, put one disc in, plays, you know, plug in your head.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:44

Plays on this just fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:47

No, that's for games.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:51

Uh my I mean, my top two, much like you guys were saying, is is really kind of one A and one B. Like I I Andor for me was as far as like modern Star Wars, it it's for me personally, it's really hard to beat. Like so your number two is Rebels, then? No, my my number two is Andor and Rebels.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:09

No, number two was Andor, number one was my number one's Rebels.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:12

And again, like you were saying, Jack, like as far as Star Wars, like, and that's why I'm saying one A and one B. Like to me, you could watch Rebels and Andor and get everything that all the other shows that we've talked about today, you know, you you could get the same feelings, you know, type of thing that all the but I feel like both of those for me personally, both of those shows really encapsulated, you know. I I feel like when we were I was just talking about Bad Batch and Omega, like I feel like the first like maybe two episodes, three episodes of Rebels, Ezra was in that same boat of like, oh God, he's gonna be annoying. But they I mean they fixed that so fast and made you know he felt like part of the group and he was contributing, and it was his storyline again, then came into alignment with the rest of them and that type of thing. And you know, and or I mean, just the politics, the Mon Motma stuff, Luthin, Cleia, hmm, that's my favorite character. Oh yeah. Um Brasso, uh, you know, uh just the whole I I I in hindsight, I was really upset when they said, Oh, we're gonna condense season two down into like when because again again when they originally put it together, it was supposed to be multiple seasons, and each you know, season was going to be a year, basically. And I was like, uh no, I really want more of this, but then I feel like they handled it as well as they could for the time frame that they were given. Um I think that those decisions and stuff were out of their hands as far as that that goes, right? Like um, and I think maybe that maybe that made to me made the show better because they did have to cut out a bunch of the quote unquote filler stuff, right? The only filler stuff I felt that was in um that that was in Andor was kind of the saw stuff, which was cool, but then like at the end when him and uh that the the kid were getting high as shit, and then they just kind of stopped like we never went back to that. And I'm like, wait a second, at the end of it, I was like, wait, what happened to the guy? Oh, he's there now, and he's fine. And I'm like, wait a second, no, no, no. This motherfucker was getting high on his own supply with Saw back on the you know whatever planet they were on.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:31

Yeah, no, but that was but that was just to give us like what Saw's problem was. That that whole I mean that that story was just for that. You know what you know what's been interesting is our top three, our top three have young character um that was kind of annoying as shit and then got better. Ezra, annoying as shit, got better. Ahsoka, annoying as shit, Sky Guy, Artui, and then got then got better. Um you know Omega, annoying as shit, got better. It's it's so it's interesting that that our top three are basically top three anyway, uh minus, you know, obviously Andor, but but Andor's Andor had the flashbacks.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:17

So, I mean, even Andor, I mean, and Andor's flashbacks, in my opinion, weren't bad. Like, but they also serve the purpose for that for that season, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:27

Like season one, we're looking for all we all agree on character development is the most important thing in our shows.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:40

Yeah. Well, and and it always has been for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:42

I've always and bringing them into the universe, right? Like, like bringing them into alignment with where the show is direct is going, right? Instead of it changing the direction of the show, they get into the flow of where the show like it's it's making it so I don't know. Maybe I'm not explaining my in my head it sounds great, but then when I say it, it doesn't make any sense. But having the person join the universe as opposed to that person uh changing the show to benefit to to make it about them, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:18

Alright, hypothetical time. If uh Samurai Jack Clone Wars was allowed to be on your list, where do you slot it?

SPEAKER_03 1:25:28

I mean, it's top five for me. Like I love that show. For sure. I'd probably I'd probably push everything down from five. I'd drop that in five.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:36

I was thinking I think it would be three point five for me. It would be between three and four for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:41

I I would probably put it right after. It would be four push everything down for yeah, I would put it as three and bump everything down. That just the simplicity and the time that it came out. Uh and again, like relating it to Samurai Jack and all that kind of stuff, like you know, the Samurai Jack animation style, I thought, especially at the time, was really cool. I haven't watched Primal, his last show. I've been I I keeping an eye on it, but I haven't uh like why does that sound familiar? It's been going on, I think it's four seasons, five seasons, something like that. So excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:23

Alright. Alright, so good good work. I think I think we were able to explain well enough why we like or didn't like something where it wasn't just just because, you know, I hate this year. So so yay us. Alright. Uh we don't have much time left, so let's let's look more at this list of other things to cover.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:45

Do we want to talk about the movies, the Disney movies?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:49

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:53

Lou's like, wait, I have to pick a number one out of this. No, I'm not. Um all right, Jack, so you see.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:00

No, no, no, no. That that that's that that's easy. If we had to pick a number one is Rogue One. And then after that, then who cares?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:08

I mean, honestly. I do have a soft spot in my heart for solo, but that's neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:15

Um I didn't like like Jack talked about me on a rewatch, I didn't mind solo the second time. It's not one that I make a point to go watch. Like I was like, I I think I would watch a bunch of anything else other than solo. But if it's again, if it's on, remember back in the day, who was it? TNT, TBS, they would do Star Wars weekend. Uh, if it was on, I'm I'm gonna catch myself washing dishes, then I'm gonna hear freaking something from solo, then I'm gonna finish those dishes and sit down and watch the rest of it. I that that's how I did it back in the day. But but yeah, but no, it's rogue run, not even close.

Order 66 Survivors And New Jedi

SPEAKER_02 1:27:53

Let's see. So Jack's question is what do you guys think about more Jedi surviving Order 66, especially as new shows, media come out?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:01

No problem to me. I have no you have 10,000 Jedi, and we're talking about maybe what 50 or so?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:10

Yeah, yeah, even a hundred hundred.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:12

Even a hundred one percent. So people are gonna bitch about one percent surviving. Yeah, screw that. No, I I have no problem with with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:22

I feel like if they're brought in in a way that but again I feel this way about anything when you introduce a character if you introduce a character in a way that makes sense for the universe in a way that makes sense for uh for for the story I don't have a problem with it it's when you you go oh this one character you know um is is really popular but we don't have uh you know we don't you know we're gonna just shoehorn him in to whatever's happening right um you know beyond a mention right so like in Obi-Wan they mentioned Quinlan Voss but that was it it wasn't like all of a sudden he opened the door and Voss is standing there hey what's up you know then I would that would have bothered me because like you're not bringing him in in an organic way right to where it makes sense for him to still be alive right so if if you do that cool now I'll be interested to find out if we get anything about Devin and and Doki's you know past as far as how they got to the planet they were on how they got to the you know um I don't necessarily need a flashback or anything but how did they survive right like we've we've seen it we've seen that a few different ways uh with Kanan and that type of thing kind of the their backstory to get to to get to where they were in the show but that would be my only request or whatnot.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:58

So yeah um I I'd like to think that we're gonna get that story in some kind of flashback now that the two of them are back together um something will come up some something but but they'll they'll they'll let us know whether they were just not in like like I don't know if they're gonna survive clone troopers you know when Order 66 happens. My guess is they were just off doing something else. Yeah um yeah well what if they were on this planet right like the majority of them were that's my thought my thought they were already on the planet yes that that's what I was thinking they were already there doesn't so there's no empire there so it's uh it's possible that the Republic wasn't there right because it wasn't a military strategy type of planet strategic but Duke's right though you want to bring in oh another Jedi survived don't care as long as you write it in in a good way and don't just force something on us force something force something on us what about you Jack with your two cents I don't mind it um I have enjoyed the Jedi Survivor series I think Cal is a great Jedi it makes sense that Maul needs uh uh what do you call that apprentice he needs somebody to go against right and we can't make it a soak anymore right done so he needs to have Joe Shamo is not going to be an adversary for Maul right they can't fight with lightsabers the Maul captain the cap the police captain isn't going to be a exact real is why they're bringing in the inquisitors right that's why the inquisitors show up exactly yeah and that'd be fine but I mean Maul's a badass he always has been he only got beat by the epitome of Jedi in Obi-Wan even when he was just a child but nobody beats Obi-Wan the fucking chosen one couldn't even beat him so you can't hold that against Maul that he got beat by Obi-Wan.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

A lot of people want to but Maul's a badass so he can't just go up against the cops and fucking Joe Schmo and you know anybody that wants to go against him.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:18

Correct me if I'm wrong but Maul kind of acknowledges that in Rebels right when him and Obi-Wan are kind of having the their conversation of like hey like you were the one person that I know that you know that I couldn't people people also have to realize the time frame from when Obi-Wan beat him to where we are now I mean we're like 14 years ahead maybe so Maul has had 14 years to build up his hate which makes him more powerful.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:55

So 14 years uh prior to yeah he got beat and deserved to now he's a little more power he still loses to Obi-Wan uh because Obi-Wan is the shit but people need to understand Maul he is a badass he's only convenient by Obi-Wan and Sidious I don't even think Ahsoka really beat him at the end of Clone Wars. Oh at the end of Clone Wars but again Ahsoka's up there she's not Obi-Wan level but she is a really good fighter she was trained by the chosen one right so if anybody's gonna beat her it's gonna be Anakin's apprentice. But Paul's a badass he has to fight a Jedi all those inquisitors they're gonna go down it's not even they're gonna live is because we know Merrick and that crow faced dude are later in the universe later in the timeline but any other inquisitor shows up guarantee they're dead well that one that was basically resurrected that one he could kill and then Merrick right yeah and they explain to us how that one gets resurrected.

Celebration Tickets Badge Art And Budget

SPEAKER_00 1:34:07

Why was he like some weird dust monster when Ahsoka got him but yeah that could be a situation where they end up back on Dathomir somehow and some night witch from somewhere or maybe they'll bring Morgan in yeah exactly or Morgan shows up and they're gonna have to uh it's like has a little pet you know side project but I'd like to think they're gonna explain that so yeah well we got a season and a half for them too um well we'll keep it Star Wars one last quick thing um Star Wars celebration tickets got announced we're all going right I mean yeah no question no questions asked that's absolute I know girls going um she's been excited about it ever since uh um and I am two right yeah and I am two in twenty in twenty two yeah she was excited about it then was excited for all of us for uh Japan for Japan and made a point to say that the next one she's like I want to go I'm like all right so tickets tickets May 6th uh noon your time um the only time that matters yeah uh I mean if I if I if I'm if I'm working um I this is something that I would tell you know bosses like hey I'm gonna need to work from home this day and already told little girl leave me her laptop so I can have two devices and if I'm working three devices but but yeah uh absolutely going uh we'll worry about the details later because the hotel shit's gonna be a bitch but other than that other than that super solid looking forward to it I'm glad and if people are like oh my god ticket should have been on sale already tickets I'm like did y'all not remember when they went on sale two years ago for Japan it was around that first week of May hey guess what it's the first week of May again calm down people a lot of bitches on that website though complaining about stuff it's like oh my god how can you afford this it's$261 to go for four days I'm like my first thought was only only two I'll take that have you ever been to Comic Con? Thank you we we we dropped$375 for Comic Con.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:34

Every year like people are bitching about$260 for a four am IR you've had two you've had a year to save up two years by the time it comes around so yeah no no excuse for the anybody who said anybody who's wanting to go and they've known they wanted to go there's no excuse for for you not being able to pay$261 to go to and that art was badass too pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:04

That key art was freaking sweet yeah I'm gonna be I'm excited to see what the bad keychain a button pinches look like so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:15

Not that the badges always match up with the key art but we'll see they need to I I think that the badges need to celebrate the 50 years of Star Wars though. They don't need to get into gimmicky Hollywood everybody's like California surfing fucking Darth Vader right they need to lean into the legacy.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:38

If they use the Rolling Stone if they use the Rolling Stone pictures of Leia on the beach I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:43

Yeah that's fine I I only I only want stuff from New Hope that's it it's 50th anniversary of New Hope give me new hope stuff period but you know what I'm okay if it's 50th of Star Wars too because it did start it so it's okay if it spreads all of Star Wars.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:03

See I don't like that because it was so with that rationale in three years when it's Empire's 50th then what?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:10

Empire gets 50th. But a new hope is kind of stuck. It needs to lean towards new hope but it also needs to celebrate driver of Star Wars.

Collecting Merch Theater Runs And Wrap

SPEAKER_02 1:38:20

But I think I think it'd be really hard for them to come up with 15 badges is that normally how many there are 15 17 badges something like that something that are all a new hope driven no it wouldn't it would not be hard no getting like Jawas and R5 D5 and Jawas be the kids having Jawas be the kids badge would be pretty badass though fucking Uncle Owen and Aunt Baruch burnt Uncle Owen and Aunt Baru or the the VIP ticket it'd be an all black badge right do back do back is the Sunday badge Luke Leia Han 3PO Chewy R2 that's like six right there we got Vader Stormtrooper Obi-Wan that's three more that's you're already at nine you could come up with with Boba Fett Java Tarko Boba Mon Mothma she wasn't in episode four not even the special editions they didn't have it I thought they did the flash they didn't do they didn't do Mon Mothma was was Mon Mothma not in episode four really not in episode four yeah she was in why don't you go watch it Lou yeah yeah have you ever watched a new hope before Jesus yeah we just spent an hour and a half talking about Star Wars and you don't even know where it came from so uh let's see General Dadonna bro oh yeah no hold on big wait Biggs wedge porkins I want a pork's badge give me a motherfucking pork I'm putting that in right now give me a fucking pork I have a porkins badge autographed I'm just saying for this one I want yeah which yeah that's kind of cool actually which uh which celebration was that one from it was not a celebration it was um when the Star Wars insider was doing like badges in the art of oh oh yeah yeah yeah like way back in the day this isn't something recent right no no no no no what else Mando ticks up for sale fuck that here's 52 different versions of merchants dude I will tell you um first I just I just got tickets right and then I'm like oh now they got this version nope gotta refund those and nope I gotta refund those because now they got the super sipper so I finally landed on that one that you get the pin and the popcorn and the collector cup I want none of it old girl wants the was it the Grogu popcorn thing and the adat popcorn thing about the movie that was when that was when Lou tuned out was when Jack was like hey wait they just listed this hey wait they just listed this hey I just bought eight different I got big eight tickets for El Capitan because I gotta go five times this weekend like in order to get everything I I wasn't kidding if I lived there why not yeah no 100% if Jack and I lived there we would be in Al Capitan like every yeah we wouldn't even have to trade for pins because we'd be going so often we would have collect them all. Like we just traded with each other. Oh I got this again we saw episode one 19 times together like I didn't see episode one in the theater by myself like every single time was with Jack like we both y'all got me B I only saw the 11 so damn but again granted granted I did catch when it when it came when episode one came out I did have the 1201 show and then went right into a 420 show that you know I went different theaters I was I was I went from um it was basically I went from Neanapolis is that what it was called downtown I went from Neanapolis uh at midnight oh one to Green Valley Ranch at 420 Don fell asleep they're in the 420 to die I don't doubt it but I and this I mean weeks after when we were like oh look there's a digital screening we should go see that so we drive our asses out to fucking Burbank to go fucking watch the digital screening because that at that time there was only like four digital theaters in the world or something and everyone's like ah this digital thing isn't going to take off and then fucking five years later every single theater has digital but yeah no I I have I haven't even bought my tickets to Mandel season four yet had had Jack and I've worried about it live together through the rest of the prequels and the sequels I guarantee you we would have seen them way more than than we did all eight we're running long so alright we can stop there and pick up the rest of it. Yep next week will be more fun we got nothing going on so I should be good for normal good I mean good chats guys this was uh this was fun yeah there were zero uh awkward silences so enjoy this extended uh episode yeah enjoy it enjoy hello enjoy it you're gonna realize that this whatever you want you dude why you gotta bring a black joke okay okay really just being in a cage I'd be just my little knees all up just chilling just yourselves a good week and uh we will uh we'll do it again in seven six whatever