LBP #77: The 3rd Annual Stubby Awards

We look back at the highs and lows of our third season, hand out some awards and shock the world with high praise for a certain someone. 

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SPEAKER_02 0:05

Welcome to the third annual Stubby Awards. The most prestigious night in niche, nostalgia television podcasting. I am Mike Robertson, joined as always by Mike Taylor. Mike, can you believe it? We are back here again, almost exactly one year to the date for another stubbies.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Sorry if I if I sound out of breath. I just got off that damn red carpet, and you want to talk about I was hanging out with Bud Pomeroy, Sid the Waiter was out there, Greek waiters with not with swords, big knives, Richard Roundtree. Everyone's in character, and everybody's pumped for this evening.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Boy, who would be who would be the best and worst person as the character to run into on the red carpet?

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Oh, honest text. Absolutely honest text. His sweatsuit with cowboy boots and cowboy hat. Yeah. Easily honest text.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

I'll call poor honest text. Will we see honest text? Who knows? There's a lot of people this this year. Tonight we are here to do 22 awards. We started out with 16 in our first season, 20 last year. We're up to 22. Who knows? By season nine, we might have a hundred awards.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

115 awards.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

But as I say every year, this one is kind of for us. Um, so we hope you all enjoy it. But we kind of do this to uh serve as a a season in review, kind of a time capsule of everything that happened during our lowboat season, because you know what we gotta do, go back and watch all these. No, but we wanted to kind of honor the best and the worst of season three. And this season was interesting, Mike. And I think we'll have a few different categories that are very, very heavy, and a few categories that are very, very light.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

So I I I enjoy the Stubbies, obviously, because I'm a Stubbies guy, which I've said for you know every Stubby award now, but I feel like in addition to like a wrap-up right for each season, I also feel like it it's a it's a celebration of that mark in time. We're we're one season closer, right, to the completion of the project.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

And we're what a third we're basically we can we can say a third now, I think, because there's only four there's only four episodes in season ten. So I'm I'm comfortable with saying we are a third of the way done, which you know, when we talked about this all those years ago, I don't know that we thought we'd still be in here, you know. So I'm proud I'm proud of us for that. And I'm and I'm happy that people are paying attention because I think if it was just us talking into the ether, we probably would have moved on. We could have just done this on the phone, you know.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

They could have uh, but at the same time, I I it's it maybe I miss misspoke. It's not so much a celebration that there's another one completed, it's just a celebration of like what you know, another another another chapter of this story success that we've been successfully, you know, successfully gone through. So it's not like I'm not happy we're closer to the end. I've just really enjoyed season three, and this is the perfect way to sort of put a bow on it.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

It's our one shining moment. It is. But except we couldn't get Luther Show. We couldn't get Luther Vandros. You had said that on last year's episode. Me and Mike both went back and listened to the subbies from last season, so we'll definitely be referencing that. But you referred to this as our clip show, and it kind of is in a way.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

We just we do the clips ourselves, basically.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

Yeah. I would be interested to see. Now I know what my ballot looks like, and you know, there's it's it's a wide array, but I'd be interested to see if every episode gets represented. I don't know that that's the case in 25 episodes, but you know, it's close.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Well, it's funny as we were going through coming up with the nominees, I didn't limit myself to the number of nominees. You know what I mean? So, like, if I ended up with nine best kids, that was fine. And at the end, I sort of whittled down and thought about it.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

That's what I do. Yeah, I have a list. I have and and honestly, I have called them honorable mentions, called them whatever. Yeah, this year I probably did more self-editing in that process before I put them in because there were just some people I'm like, well, you're not gonna win. You know, it's like right, but there's other categories where I'm like, Well, yes, you are a body that will fill a spot. So, you know.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

I think that we are in for a shocking evening, sir. Shocking.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

So a couple uh just notes and then a question for you, Mike, before we begin. So uh, like I said, there would be 22 awards. Uh Mike and I will alternate hosting the categories. I'll be odds, Mike will be evens, as is generally, I think, the tradition. Each uh category will have a number of nominees, five, three, one, maybe zero in one category, and we will just kind of tick them down from top or from ascending order till we get to number one. Then when we have finished our nominees, we will discuss who should be the actual winner. Now, the perfect scenario is that we both have the same number one.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Right. Which happens. It happened a few times last year.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

So my question is, Mike, 22 awards, let's call it 21 because there's one. Didn't we do this last year too? How many will we both have the top the same top answer? Now, this includes categories that we kind of know there is only one answer, but I'm just asking. I'm under at five and a half.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Under. Okay. I say on in easy under.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Okay. I think you're probably right.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Because I will say well, yeah, one turn here could be I say under still. If I if if I'm a betting man, I say under.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

So we will keep we will keep track of that. One fun thing that I don't know that we'll need it this year because I don't think either of us are going to be dug in on a lot, but each of us no flags this year. Each of us has a challenge flag. We've only ever thrown one challenge flag out of four potential flags, but that is where if one of us is absolutely positively dedicated to somebody winning, you can throw the flag and the other person cannot contest. We've only used that once. That was for the female, best female last year. And yeah, like I said, it's gonna be a lot of discussion, and I think more than any other year, this is the one where I did the ballot in a way that I think is reflective more of how you do it. I was very much interested in getting a lot of people nominations. Sure. So I may have spread, I may have spread the wealth around, not for the winners necessarily, but I may have spread the wealth around a little more because there were just some categories that were so stocked and it just didn't seem fair, especially for the people that are only on once. You know, I'd like being able to say stubby nominee so-and-so.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

I you know what's funny is that I thought about that as well, but I backed off doing that because for me, and maybe it's a new philosophy looking at it this year, is I feel like you got you have to stand by that performance.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

So let's say like last year you have a Sonny Bono type of thing, where he's a multiple stubby winner in the same season. Like I wouldn't want to take that away. Understood. Totally agree. But I totally see what you're saying, too.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

And I think that's interesting that we maybe switched a little bit, and I think part of that is just maybe our opinions on how the season went, and of course, we'll kind of well, and in what we like specifically like, don't like in our in our perfect love boat episodes, each of us are probably a little different. And we'll kind of be able, I know, doing this whole process, you kind of realize okay, this is what kind of season it was, right? These are what kind of episodes they were, this is kind of the trends, all that stuff. You kind of see once you kind of write it down, right? You kind of see it all. So, and just to just to keep the the the viewer, I have a very controversial uh winner towards the end of the ballot. So same here. Same here. So 22 categories. We will get started here. Now, this year I was a little more judicious with the ballot order in that the best categories went down the ballot a little further.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

Yeah, I like that. That's how the Oscars. Well, that's yeah, yeah, tried to mix it, tried to mix it up.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

It wasn't worse at first, but it was definitely a mix. So we are starting with a category that in previous years has been a real real heavy hitter. And this this year, not so much. Best part-time crew member, five nominees, good luck, male-female performance by any staff member that is not part of the regular crew. Season one winner, of course, Bob Crane as Teddy Anderson.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Amazing. Wasn't he a multiple? Wasn't he a multiple? He was. I think he won best male as well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Yeah, season two winner, Larry Storch as chief engineer Tony Santini. So a real male-driven category so far. Mike, before we get into it, why do you think we had such few crew members? Why what is that?

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Like I don't know. It's I I think it was an easy way, or isn't it was an easy in for storytelling purposes, and it's so easy to do. I don't know why you wouldn't continue to do it. Or maybe they felt like, oh well, Jill, like Vicky's new. I don't know. I I I thought it was I mean, we had a few, but it wasn't like the there were no Larry Storches this season, let's be honest.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

No, no, and then it just very it just felt like the easiest thing in the world. Yes. Um, and as you'll see by some of these nominees, it was hard getting to five.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

I had to think outside the box a bit, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:00

So we begin with my fifth nomination, number five. It is the tea and biscuits steward who is wearing the blue windbreaker in the spider serenade. This is the guy that Gopher asked to get Jill St. John some tea and biscuits. So, and he wore that weird jacket that we've never seen before or since.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

One of the deepest categories in stubby history, right here, ladies and gentlemen. My number five is the unnamed crew member who nearly runs over Neil Rich with a luggage cart. I see what's happening here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

Yeah. Yeah. Number four. This number four, this guy is now a multiple stubby nominee. That'd be James Dobson as Anderson the Steward, who came back, dropped off some hot milk to Roxy or to Foxy Brown, and left. And that was it. But that gets you a nomination on this season.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

How did I forget that in my list of nominees? Man, well, I'm glad he got his name. He got to hear his name this evening. Again, I went a different route. My number four is from Greek Knight, the Flaming Swordsman. Two appearances.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

As soon as you mentioned them on the red carpet, I was like, ah, that's that's definitely a good one.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Yeah, I almost wish I didn't say that.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

They they, I'm assuming you don't have these guys on the rest of your ballot, but those guys were slightly better than the remember the baked Alaska Army there was at one point where those guys just came out of Alaska Army. That's just uh number three, as we continue with people who don't have names. Number three, this is the nameless gift shop worker, the female, who tracked down that shawl and sold a expensive engagement ring to the person who couldn't pay for it.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Oh, that's right. The the worst person, the person that does a terrible job. I don't collect any money, but I give out expensive things.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

She was in four scenes, not only didn't get a name on the show, didn't even get an IMDB credit. I looked a little bit. I didn't look that hard, but it's like if she had won, I guess I would have had to find her. We couldn't just do nameless winner, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:11

My number three on a technicality is Jill Whelan, as Vicky Stubing.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Oh, that is a technicality.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Just based on number of episodes in a season versus how much she appeared. She was technically a part-time crew member.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

It's like a six-man who doesn't start kind of.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Well, yeah. Well, even a six-man gets to start. She's like the ninth man, you know. So Chuck Person was never the ninth man. But anyway.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Number two. Yeah. This guy, we saw him last week. And honestly, almost Henry Pollock II as Pierre, the tuxedo shop proprietor, was amazing in his 90 seconds in a store we didn't know we had, and we didn't know we needed.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

That was my number two. I'm sorry. That was not my number two. I apologize. My number two is Sid Gould, is Sid the waiter.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Yeah. Leaving my number one is Sid Gould.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

So he had more appearances.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

So that so let me let me say this. I seriously thought about either one because here's the here's the thing. Sid was very good. He was in he was in four, whereas Pierre was only in one. Yeah, but bang for your buck. Pierre was better than Sid, not by lot, but but in his one appearance. And let's just say, do we really want Sid Gould two times stubby winner? So if you want to go with Henry Pollack as Pierre as the winner, I am okay with that.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Well, let me ask you, did Sid earn it just because he, you know, he he was he was clocking in and putting some hours? I will say you were performance of Pierre put him above.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

I will say you could take if you took the best Sid and the best Pierre, Pierre should get it. So yeah, I agree. You're right. The the that is not what this award is, right? There is an award, there is an award for you know multiple appearances. So yes, I agree.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

I would I would go with that. You know what I would yeah, I I would say that.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

So congratulations, what an upset, Henry Pollock the second, as Pierre, you are our first stubby winner of the night, and you got in under the wire, the rare, the this might be the first time we ever had somebody in our final episode of the season pick up an award, but he was swooped right in just that good. I had a question. Yes, sir. Would the inclusion of boat executives be something we should think about for next season? And also, would it have changed your voting? There's a lot of ship line, there's a lot of shipline executives this year.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

But I don't know if I'd consider them crew. No, because I don't not disagree. They're like VIPs or no.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

We can't possibly have less crew members next year than we did this year. So because I mean this was this was terrible. So congratulations to Pierre. You are the first winner of a stubby for season three.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Pierre. Best kid, five nominees, male-female performance by anyone referenced as a college student or younger. Season one winner, James Bond. The third is Theo Dennison. Season two winner Melissa Gilbert as Rocky Simpson. My fifth nominee is Steven Manley as Kevin. Daddy's Pride, episode 61.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

Okay, we'll get to that later. Is he your number number five? Number five for me. Now, this this may be illegal, but I'm gonna go with it, but it's not the only illegal one I have. Going with Jackie Earl Haley as Paul Turner's fake son in episode nine. He probably fit the qualification. He definitely wasn't as young as he said he was, but I really liked the whole Paul Turner thing was funny, and he was really good at flinging butter across the across the room.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

So I always viewed him as like that. Remember that Bugs Bunny commercial where it's like that gangster, and anybody baby. Like I was like, he's like 28 years old, Jackie driving a trans.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

That's why he got the fit, as usual. My fifth nominee is the ha ha kind of suspicious one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

My number four is Mark Jones' little Jimmy Hopkins matchmaker, matchmaker, episode number sixty-eight.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Exact same person in the exact same slot for me. He was he was very good. And I I stumbled across something very interesting today. His father in that Cleon Little was named Andy Hopkins, which was also the name of Ray Bulger in his final episode on the Love Boat. Come on, guys. Come on, guys.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

That's because they didn't think anyone would even pay any attention.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

I didn't think anyone would remember that.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

No one's remembering that. Now I'm my number three, Nancy McKee and his penny Barrett and Daddy's Pride. Again, second nominee from me from the same episode, same award.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

I'm fascinated to see where you're going with this. Number three for me, Johnny Timco as Danny Harris, episode 14 of this season. He, of course, was the daughter or the son of Jessica Walter who had to fight old Kurt Stansel, his damn teacher, showing up on the boat and soliciting his mom.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

That is my number two. Johnny Timco is Danny who's making the grade. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

I really thought he was good in terms of like as as far as Vicky with other kids on the boat, that was the best one I thought this season.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

It was, it was yeah, it was well. Now you know we're gonna get it a lot, but well, well, it was up there with some best. Oh, I swear to God. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Number two for me is Nancy McKeon as Penny Barrett. Okay. Uh not just for her acting, but obviously for her elite gymnasius.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Well, who needs a body double, Mike? Not Nancy.

SPEAKER_03 18:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

My number one. Okay, now think, okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna explain it, and then uh if I have to defend it, I'll defend it. I'm not dying on this hill. As I think I said that 15 times during the second stubbies. No flag will be used on this one by me. Ronnie Scribner, as Keith Gaines, Trace Amigos, simply because he convinced the other two kids to cut themselves. That's it. It's the only reason.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

So I he was like my first cut. If you had really been upset about Jackie Earl Haley, I would have had him on there. So like I get it. I just hated that storyline so much. I'm not in love with any of these, like, you know, more than so I obviously have Stephen Manley as Kevin, as number one. That guy was just firing off zingers. He was gonna he was gonna fight Mr. Barrett. You know, he had that sweet red lounge outfit that he was wearing.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Well, he had that smart ass sort of such a good smart ass.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

His parents weren't around.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

I I think it's tough for me to say out of these five, like, is Ronnie Scribner do a better job as as Kevin? Ah I'm splitting hairs with the with with best kid because this list was paired down with you know uh Ritter's Ritter's son, you know, that whole uh or Joyce DeWitt son. Oh yeah, yeah. I couldn't do that. No, you know, so there's a lot of I'm not opposed with going as Kevin on for Dan.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

I'm kind of passionate about Kevin getting it. Like that was when I filled out the list, he started at the top, and I figured out about else afterwards. So I can go with it. If you don't really care, I'd like to do that one. So congratulations, congratulations, Steven Manley as Kevin. Sorry to Ronnie Scribner, but you'll always have Salem's lot scar on your hand. That's right. All right, let's see. Third award. Oh, a Mike Taylor favorite. Now, for those of you that listened to our recent bonus episode, this is called the Norman Fell Award, but you know, it's all just in good fun. We're just kidding around. Yeah. Three nominations for the most disappointing performance from a guest star this season based on effort, expectation, and performance. Last year's winner, this has only been handled out once. There was no season one award. Uh season two went to Bob Denver as Jason Markham because he was playing a 15-year-old and he was like 53 years old.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

53-year-old playing a yeah, playing a guy going through puberty just doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

So these nominees were not as I don't think it was as obvious now that we've kind of fleshed out the award a little bit, but I it pains me to have two of these people in here because they were really good performers in previous seasons. But number three for me, Eve Plum, as Terry Carlson, that was in the horrendous honeymoon episode. They just didn't give her anything to do.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Again, this isn't always your fault, right? No, no, no, no. I agree. I well, sometimes it is, sometimes sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

This is just one of those things where they gave her nothing to do, and the little bit she had to do, she wasn't particularly good at it.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

So super disappointing. I think I think it def her performance defines what we're looking for, sadly, in this award. Uh, I have the same. Eve Plum's also my number three.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah, and I knew you would. So number two, this is disappointing as a follow up for a lot of reasons, but I have uh Sonny Bono as Benny Carter from last from last season. Pretty brutal storyline in terms of their half of it. Red Buttons was fantastic in what was the which was essentially a Christmas episode storyline. And Sonny Bono just low energy, not very interesting. And I hated to give this to him after his tour de force in season two, but it was kind of lame.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

Interesting. I went a different route. Sonny Bono did not make my list this year. Instead, now the definition of the award is the most disappointing performance. Okay. I needed something from James MacArthur last episode so bad, and he could not have disappointed me more. My number two is James MacArthur's Scott Burgess Marriage of Convenience, episode number 76. He gave nothing.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Yeah. Yeah, we will probably further talk about James MacArthur, but don't disagree.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

This is exciting now. And now I'm I'm curious if this is going to be our first match.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

I think it's very possible to be our first match, because I really don't know where you would go otherwise. For number one, I have in what was, I believe, our actual Christmas episode. That would be Richard Roundtree as Sleepy Dave Wilbur.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

That is also my number one.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Richard Roundtree, congratulations. Yeah, that you know, as I'm doing that, I was like, it's easy. That was an easy one. And then I'm thinking, who else could Mike have picked if it's a hard one?

SPEAKER_02 23:23

Yeah, and I wasn't going to pick Eve Plum.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

I wanted to, but I did. But Richard Roundtree wouldn't let me.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Well, it's that right. And it's that thing where we we made a lot of jokes about that whole thing, him being so sleepy and lethargic and everything. But it's like understandably that could be a character choice to a point, right? But that was so far beyond that. Even if it was even if it was a joke, it was just like that was so much, so much sleepy day.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

If it was the character, they would have alluded to it. They would have said something like, Oh, it's like he's had mono for four years. Yeah. He doesn't, yeah. His his his blood pressures just it can't be measured. It's so it's so low. Yeah, I I and I was disappointed too when I saw him and the and the cast of that episode. Oh, Robert Guillaume, I love Robert Guillaume, Pam Greer, and this.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

It's just well, and it kind of set the that was such a like if you could have most disappointing storyline in terms of what I wanted it to be.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

What lineup versus performance.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Right. And it was just like, and again, they're all so good that it wasn't quote unquote bad. And I think we made a lot of we made it better than it was, probably, with with some of the it's actually one of our funnier episodes, I think, because of that. But I thought so. But yeah, very and just it's also that thing where I do give more weight to the people that are only on once. Yes, same. Because that's the only shot we're gonna have, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

So um well, because I I can say with confidence that it was the material given to Eve Plum in that honeymoon pressure story versus the story they gave her the first time. So I wouldn't I feel this I I wouldn't as I wouldn't say that I gave her benefit of the doubt by not giving her okay, she should get this award, but I feel like I knew better. Like if we had had Fell on twice, what would we do if we had him on twice and the second time he like would we have to rename the award?

SPEAKER_02 25:21

I don't think we would have come in as hot because we have done the thing where it's like I'm gonna hold my fire until, right? Or something like that. I just that's true when we know they're not coming back for whatever reason, we can be a little more certain about things.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Well, and I I think Mr. Roundtree earned every every second of what we were saying.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Yeah, yeah. Because it did neuter the it neutered the character in a way, too, where it's just like no one would I was gonna say react like that, but no one would not react like that, you know. There's nothing. Interesting first three here Henry Pollock the second, Stephen Manley, and Richard Rountree. What a what a interesting table that'll be in the back.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

That is a that is a fun after party so far.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

And who will join them in this next category?

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Well, best animal, Mike, winner only, any on-screen animal. This is where I play the crickets soundtrack. I missed Cricket the Dog and Lucille the chimpanzee. This was not a year.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Not one animals. Not one.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Not one. How do you not have one by accident? Anything. Well, they had oh well, they did have dolphins frolicking on the side of the we didn't see them though. We didn't see them. We heard about them. They were alleged dolphins. I guess that could have been it. Yeah, that would be they were scabs too. They weren't even dolphins, they were just other fish that look like dolphins.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

I already know that we will not suffer the same fate next season. Thank God. So but unbelievable. So what seasons? So here's my so why do you why do you think is there an actual reason? Did their animal trainer get fired? Like is that?

SPEAKER_00 27:00

I I don't know. Uh it doesn't make sense to me. It's such an easy yeah. How easy was a Lucille, the chimpanzee? She just ate everything.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

It was great. Comedy gold. Right. It's like between the animal and the crew, it's just weird that we had such a hollow first few.

unknown 27:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Now the good thing is this allows us in natural space to give out a very prestigious award, Mike, that we've already announced previously. So everyone get on your feet and congratulate the Aubrey Scarsgard Memorial Governor's Award for excellence and special achievement in a love boat adjacent program for this season. And the winner Burt Convy, who starred not stubby nom former stubby nominee on his own right, so it's not like he's like a stranger to us, but he, of course, was in both the Charlie's Angels and Dallas Capital Cheerleaders bonus episodes that we did. He starred as Paul Hollister in Charlie's Angels, and he was Lyman Spencer. He was great. He was great in both in completely different roles. And we have now seen Burt Convy in three things in the last two years, and I honestly cannot wait to see him whenever he shows back up on this boat, or if we can find another bonus project that makes it.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Everything crowds. Sorry. Crowds all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

We did four bonus episodes in this thing. Any other like highlights or memorable things that you would kind of think in this spot?

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Boy, that's a good one. I would say, well, number one, the Dallas Cowboy bonus one where it was a love boat crossover with with how some you know somehow they got the love boat through the Panama Canal. That was Charlie's Angels one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was the that was interesting. Yeah, the Ropers, I think, was interesting, learning more about you know the backstory with Norman Fell. And I and it it look, obviously, this is a snapshot of what's going on, you know, in a week on ABC on this show, but it's interesting to get a little more context from some of these other shows. And I think it adds a little more.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

I I think it was good to see shows that I really have never seen as an adult, which is nice. I will say, from a good perspective, I think there's absolutely a world where the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader theme song would have won a stubby if it was eligible for best song. That's an that's a friggin' banger. It is. I will also say it gave us the opportunity to see two of the worst episodes of television I've ever seen, which is The American Girls and that last episode of the Ropers, just absolutely horrible, and the worst acting I've ever seen, Bucky Dent. So everyone, congratulations on that.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

And a strong theme song. I just don't sleep on that Roper's theme song. I'm not and and I'm sure that we're gonna explore some other shows this next season. I look forward to see what direction we go with some of these.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

We we have some, we will always stay ready for stuff that comes up organically, but we also have some interesting stuff in the hopper for season four bonus episodes. So stay tuned, as they say. All right, back to the awards. I love that's go male-female performance. That was the horniest sex most sex-starved of the season. Previous winners, the babe Ruth of this category, Carol White as Penny Jacobs. We have yet to approach her at all. Last year's winner, David Doyle as Alvin McNair, the man who loved women. This was interesting. I'm pretty happy with my first one, but I think I I will say this. It it took a different, it was a it was interesting this year. It was a lot of different lot of different shapes to the to the answer. So I agree. My third one, my third one's a little interesting, and I could have gone a lot of different directions here, but I went with Dak Rambo as Peter Welsh. Now, he of course he he is quote unquote engaged to Barbie Benton. We find out that he's a lifelong bachelor. He is hitting on a woman as they get on the boat in front of her. He hits on this woman the whole time. He gets diagnosed with dying, and then his first instinct on his rumspringer, I guess, is to go hook up with this woman while Barbie Benton stands there. So dumb. You know, so probably not the best nomination, but I just felt like he deserved anybody who gets a death diagnosis and then goes out and chases a woman. I don't know. Good for you, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

So singles, you know, one task at a time here. My number three, a little outside the box. I went with Phyllis Davis. I'm sorry, Phyllis Davis is Evelyn Miller and Doctor Who.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Yeah, she was quite the horn dog. She was definitely on she was definitely on my list. Let's see, number two, and I think this is more true to the initial Penny Jacobs herself, Lois Hamilton as Angela. That was in episode 23. She only was on the screen for about a minute. She was the one who told Mr. Massey that she had been in quarantine for six weeks and was ready to go. And then when Massey got back, she was already gone with somebody else. So she was in it to win it.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

That's a good one. My number two is Joe Namath, is Rod Baylor. Rent a Romeo, and I will I went with Hot Tub Angelo as my number one.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Very good, very good. So my first of all, Namath, the only reason I didn't go with Namath was they didn't we were told about it more than we saw.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Yeah, he just took more vitamin. What was it? We talked about vitamin T. Vitamin E. Vitamin E.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Yeah. For erection, I think is what it was. Good. He was funny in this. He was very good. The athletes were pretty good this year. And Reggie was good. The athletes have been weirdly fine, you know, like for the to nails of the world that really. Yeah, the singers not as much. So Jesus. So I went with, and you you did not like a lot of the people in this whole storyline. I went with JP Morgan as Olivia Brinkley. She is the one who went on with her sister. Yes. Where they would have the trip every year.

SPEAKER_00 33:55

She was married, and the other one was married. The one was married, and she didn't want.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Yeah, that's a good one. JP Morgan, if you remember, JP Morgan was the one who we decided had sex with every American League shortstop from 1979. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

We were just naming random shortstops for 40 minutes. Yeah. So I I that's a tough one to argue with.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

I am fine with the hot tub lady just because I feel like that that is the spirit. That is the Penny Jacobs. That is the Penny Jacobs spirit. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

Because again, we didn't we didn't see anything.

SPEAKER_02 34:24

I agree.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

I agree. We did see Hot Tub Angela go to work. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So congratulations, Angela.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Lois Hamilton. What a great, what a great weird ass group of names we have so far. Especially because, well, and I think this is where like when I backloaded the ballot a little bit, it's like we're gonna end up with like just insanely talented, historically good actors, but we also have Steven Manley and Lois Hamilton.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

Lois Hamilton mixed in no animal in a blank for best animal.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

I think next year's winner gets two. We should do it like skins. We should. That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

That's funny. Next category best storyline, five nominees, best individual segment from the best from the past season, based on plot, acting, and entertainment value. Season one winner, no award was given. Season two winner, The Kissing Bandit, Billy Crystal. Fantastic storyline. I'll give you my number five. My number five is the audit couple. Season three, episode five, with Phyllis Diller comes to audit stooping.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Is that mainly because of the ice bucket of money? It was just she was she was she was really good.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

She really was just worked, she was fantastic. Yeah, she really was good.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

And they did a really good job of because she was essentially two characters in that, it really like broke up the fact that it's like it wasn't just all the IRS, you know.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

So and it was Phyllis Diller, but then it wasn't. It was great. Yeah, I thought it was she was buttoned up, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

I I will say this, I probably under serviced Phyllis Diller on my ballot. I will I will just say that. Fair enough. That's fair. Number five for me, and this is a one-person tour de force here, hey jealousy. It's the James Gregory Milton Benson just basically 45 minutes roasting the male members of the crew. I think it was just like I I will say this. I had a harder time with this one than with worst in terms of like numbers. But so he this was a fifth one. Well, I won't could have been, but it was just like that's definitely a memorable effort. And I thought the rest of the story was good. Even the weird ending made sense, you know, so they landed it, but that was five for me.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

I'm gonna go number four. Oh, I'm on the fence with my four.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

Oh, changing on the fly, you're not sticking to your board.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

I have the four and three, but one of them is too. Let's do this. Number three, one rose a day.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Doing four or two.

SPEAKER_00 36:56

I mean, I'm sorry, sorry. Fumber four is one rose a day. Again, what a great storyline that was.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

Yeah, especially because it was like the the unintended, the und unintended consequence of her dead husband cock cock blocking her for three years.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

Yeah, there's a little uh we didn't that thing unfolded. Jeez.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

And of course, uh just amazing acting in that one. Uh my number four, and it's interesting because there's some definite weird parts in it, but Vicki's first love, which we just saw here recently. Really? Here's why I'll say it. First of all, yes, the Rex Smith hitting on Vicky stuff very much. Yeah, but they can't they got that under raps in the first couple scenes. But then you had an you had an A plus song, and you also had the best Stubing Parenting, and I thought a real moment for Julie, and I thought Jill Whaling was really good in that after kind of being weird in that cult episode and stuff. So yeah, I I that one stuck with me a little bit more because of what it probably meant moving forward than what it actually was, but I thought that was pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Yeah, I can't I can't argue with that. My number three is never say goodbye, the episode where Vicky joins the ship. That was my number three.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Let's see. Number three for me Daddy's Pride from episode 10, Mr. Barrett, stubby winner, Steven Manley. I I thought the interaction between the kids was good. I thought there were only three people in that thing, and the interaction between all of them was really good. They were great. And I just thought it was like, I mean, just serious enough, but not really. But again, just like there were moments in that that I will remember about this season as much as anything. So I really thought that was good.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Interesting. My uh my number two is Buddy and Porsche's story from the Alaska Wedding Cruise. I really enjoyed that story, and what a strong story to start the season as well.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

I only didn't go with anything from the two partners just because they were so all-encompassing, but you're 1 million percent right. I mean, that was that was fantastic, and to your point, one of the ones you'll remember and got us off to such a better start than last season.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

So I was so happy about that.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

So, my one, my second one, I don't know if you'll agree just based on how you think about one of the characters, but what's a brother for? With Mark and Tom Benton and Joan Van Arc.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Wait, and I thought for best storyline?

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Think about it. It was like he was a heel, right? And he played a heel to the best, and Joe and Joan Van Arc called him on his crap. I I I don't know. I just I really thought that was a well I think every year I always have one that's just like you might not like it, but it was really well done. And I think they got I mean you hated Matt Clouds under, but you're supposed to hate him. Yeah. You know, so I think that's it's a very much a Captain Dave from last season for that.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

That's a good comparison. Yeah, that's a good comparison. My number one, Mike.

SPEAKER_02 40:24

I'm I'm gonna say we're gonna agree.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

That is play by play. Really? I thought for sure that would end up in your top five.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

I can see you tell saying maybe it would have been fifth or something like that. And it was good. It was good for what it was. But, you know, I mean, just the fact that they couldn't even decide what the actual role they had, or the fact that they were on a boat during football season, that didn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

I just I you know, and maybe again it it was more about Christopher George and his performance than the story, but somewhere it just elevated that story in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

I am legit surprised that not only do you not have this as number one, you didn't even have it on your ballot. I am absolutely stunned, actually. The best storyline of this season, to me, by Miles really was spider serenade.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Yeah, you know what? It's funny you say that. That was in my list. That was like number six, and I batted that around. It was either gonna not make my list at all, or it was gonna be number one or number two.

SPEAKER_02 41:35

I just think it hit every note perfectly, and I think even if you and the gopher in the stock room thing, and then that amazing scene when the ex-husband shows up out of thin air, and even the ending where Julie's like kind of like big sister. It was just I I thought that was as good a storyline as we've seen from a series like a serious point of view that they've ever done. So I that was that was mine by a lot.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

Interesting. No, I'm not willing to throw a flag on this play by play.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

I will burn my flag if I have to for Spider Serenade, I think. All right, all right. So I'm gonna throw it early because I do think most of my ballot reflects kind of how that went. So um, plus I think I said many times during this this season that I thought that, so I'm burning my flag, but yeah, spider serenade, plus the fact that Ben uh Fred Grandy wrote it, I think, too.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

He's good in these, he's he's great at writing episodes. Okay, so I'm I'm okay. Sweet story.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

I'm okay burning my flag and also now leaving you up to God knows what for the rest of the I can't wait.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

This is what's happened to me in in the last uh 44 minutes and four seconds. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

The flip side of this coin is worst storyline, and I will say I had very little trouble getting a lot of nominees for this one. I had so many. Five nominees, uh basically the flip side of what we just did. Worst individual storyline based on all the things. Five essentially. Yeah, we unfortunately we unfortunately did not invent this category until last season. The winner last season was Poor Little Rich Girl, which was more of a we we kind of had a lot of categories, and that was just based on just the ridiculousness and the bad acting. I think this year there's a lot more legitimate contenders.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

Shit crap on here.

SPEAKER_02 43:30

Yeah. For me, number five, gonna start with we talked about how the Hey Jealousy was a really good example of a crew storyline. I'm gonna go with the bad example of that. That's Brotherhood of the Sea. Oh. Which, of course, had not only the guys going through all these measures for a surprise birthday party for Julie that was not her birthday, Julie memorizing Moby Dick and acting like a fool, and then the weird part. With the real estate agents or the was it the travel agents travel agent that you know she kept shooting down, just and it took up so much of the episode. It was like so much of the episode. I thought that was a particularly bad storyline for this season.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

I wrote down, I don't know if it's Trace Amigos is my number five. That's the one where we won for it was nominated for Best Kid, the blood brother and sister with the Stowaway. Horrible storyline with that weird family that had a bunch of weird stuff going on, and we didn't know what was going on. And he, yeah, there was just the whole thing was odd. Very odd.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

Number four for me, we three, which of course is with Tom Thornton, who had given up his daughter for adoption after his wife died in childbirth, randomly runs into them on the boat right before she's getting married and decides to torture her adopted mom the entire time, threatening to reveal his identity. Just an absolute dick the whole time. The advice by stooping that was immediately ignored by the lady, like just and then really a lame resolution where he just chickens out, doesn't say anything, and shows up at the wedding, plus the fact that we were supposed to believe that Ross Martin was in his early 40s, terrible storyline.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

So yeah, it's funny. I have the exact same, the exact same in the exact same spot.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

That's funny. Yeah. Well, that works out because for me, number three was Trace Amigos that you just mentioned. The uh this was really bad. I I didn't like it, and the gains were horrendous people. Just that early 20s was just brutal. This this run.

SPEAKER_00 45:44

It wasn't good. I went with Next Door Wife, episode 64. And just to let you know how bad it was, the description of episode 64 titled Mmm Bop. It was the best of storylines, it was the worst of storylines, plus old man boxing. So I think that speaks for itself.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

Now I will say this. You know what else was in that episode was Spider Serenade, which was the yeah, so talk about calling our shot here. I, for number two, have next door wife. So see, yeah, yeah, it was terrible, and we talked about it from a from a storyline writing perspective. You were not sure who you were, you couldn't imagine why you were supposed to root for these two horrible people to get back together. They were horrible people. And it was yeah, it was it was awful, and it was an early indication that James MacArthur is a terrible actor.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

It's surprisingly bad. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

That was my number two. Did you do two already?

SPEAKER_00 46:47

My number two, three stages of love. Oh, I thought about it. I thought about it. Yeah, that one was really bad. Just the uh the big ragu and just the whole with his with his with his wafer thin hair, and a lot going on.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

All the stages were great. He got hit in there, which I totally forgot. He did, yeah. It's just a fan. My number one, we've kind of talked about a little bit already, honeymoon pressure with uh Eve Plum and Sal Viscuvio and those two Goomba thugs, just it went on forever and nothing happened. And there was electronic baseball. That was the only thing that really saved that one.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

So I see your number one nominee, and I will raise you April's Love with honest text. And the musical number she performed, and Stubing looking at the letter before he's even turned around. A letter, I mean, yeah, I can go on and on and on.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

No, I'm fine with I'm fine with that. Yeah, the only other one I would even put up is next door wife just because of the symmetry of, but I'm I am very much okay with April, with April's return. Yeah.

unknown 48:01

Yeesh.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

Okay. So congratulations to April's love. What a what a win.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Wait, have she has Charlot won an award before?

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Yeah, she I don't know if she wants to be a win best music or did Diane Carroll win it the first year. Diane Carroll won it the first year. Yeah, so no, she's got a bunch of nominations, but no wins. And by the way, I know I say this every year, but now that we are three seasons in, I'm actually going to record the nominations so we can reference them coming up. So we'll know who has a lot of nominations.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

Oh, perfect, perfect. That'll be a nice little reference.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Yeah, now it'll be easier because we'll have people that have been on multiple seasons.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Well, and it's starting to get out of control. The amount of nominations.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

It's hard to remember. It's hard to remember. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Number eight, eighth award, most improved performance, three nominees. This is a new category. Male-female performer who made the most significant improvement in their episode this season from their prior appearances or appearance on the show. Three nominees. I just wonder how many we're gonna. I want to go with number three is Connie Stevens, is Holly Christopher in the perfect match, which tells me you have her winning.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

No, I know, no, I have her as number two. Okay. So but yeah, we talked about it how much I didn't get Connie Stevens when we saw her the first season, and I definitely got her that time, and I definitely thought about raising her up. My number three was Bud Pomeroy's better half, uh Belinda Day George, who I thought to your point really held her own in that Bud Pomeroy story as Petty Peggy Ross Ross Moore. So that was my number three. So who's your number two?

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Uh speaking of terrible character last names, I went with Jill St. John as Claire Dariample.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Dariumple, how dare you? Dariumple.

SPEAKER_00 49:53

Yeah. She's my number two.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

And she is my number one. Uh, probably all the same reasons. Again, some of this category is going to be you had a garbage storyline the first time we saw you, and a better one, but that's who I went with there. So he was your number one.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

My number one is JJ Walker is Wally in Letter to Baby Cakes. Baby cakes. Considering he was a ghost who was killed with, you know, and then the time before he was an exterminator.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

We had to act in this one. That was the thing. You had to act, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

I'm on the fence I could go either way. I feel like Jill St. John was in a better one.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

I think the fact we kind of use this as our tiebreaker too. It's like if there's a one and a two, that's the lowest, you know, math. So I think I think Jill St. John, unless you have a no, no.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

I I you have a flag too. You can get whoever you want, but no, it's I'm not gonna use my flag for JJ Walker.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

I promise you. Well, you'll have plenty of time to do it, I think.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

I know, I have time.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

All right, let's see.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

I have one in mind too, and it might be this award regular.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Okay. All right. This is one of our favorite categories. Again, it was a new one last year. Best duo, five nominees. This is the best performance by two people in combination, regardless of romantic entanglements, or what does I say, guest or Jesus Christ, or regular guest. Season one, we didn't have it. Season two, last year's winners, James Coco and Dodie Goodman. James Coco, who kind of were the people that we invented the award for. So very, very, very long list of people this season. Number five for me. And again, I cheated a little bit because it's a trio. But it's okay because they're not gonna win. Jackie Earl Haley, Roz Kelly, and Patsy Kelly as Paul Turner's fake family. In addition to what I said about Jackie Earl Haley earlier, the mom was great as a drunk. Remember, she broke all those beer bottles. She was great. Roz Kelly was just trying to hook up with everybody. Yeah. So it's a little bit of cheating, but I thought they were really good.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

Uh, my number five is Lauren Green and Audrey Lindley, is buddy, just a common man, Bowers and Portia Fairchild from the Alaska, Alaska Wedding Cruise.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

Okay, number four, and we referenced it a lot in a terrible, terrible episode that they both appeared in, which I believe was the Charo episode. Don Adams and Juliet Mills, who played William and Betty Robinson. They were the would-be divorcees who were writing that movie and got together. And we kind of said it during the time it was like, you know, this episode sucks. At least we had to fund a couple people that we like. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

And Don Adams was a lot better that second time around, too.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

Yeah, he actually probably could have been a little improved. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Yeah, he might have, he might have gotten curns for that award. My number four, Donamichi and Martha Scott is Henry Dobson and Janet Latham, one rose a day. Solid storyline, solid acting. I mean, that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

My number three, Douglas Fairbanks Jr. and Ginger Rogers as Elliot Norman and Stella Logan. That was in the Cowboys two-parter. Talk about old Hollywood. That was just That was solid. Yeah, we've talked about Season of the Olds, and that was a stretch where we were getting some absolute legends, and they were both very good. And Douglas, Douglas Fairbanks is they were they were both just way more like current and relevant than I expected them to be in 1980s.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

They were great. They were great.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

And and Douglas Fairbanks' blue jacket.

SPEAKER_00 53:33

That jacket was amazing. Much better than the blue tuxedo jacket, Pierre. No offense, Pierre. Stubby Award winner, Pierre. Stubby Award winner, Pierre. My number three, Christopher George and Linda Day George, is Bud Pomeroy and Peggy Rossmore play by play, who we just talked about. Again, that man and wife, sometimes it works, but this really worked in this episode.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

Again, number three, though. That is the probably without even close competition. That's the best real life married couple we've seen, right? I mean, most of those are terrible. Most of those are terrible.

SPEAKER_00 54:14

No, they don't know how to, they don't know what to do. It's weird. It's just weird.

SPEAKER_02 54:17

Yeah. My number two, you had mentioned it earlier, Donamichi and Martha Scott in the Flowers storyline. They were they were when we realized, I think that was when we knew we were in the season of the olds, right? Because that was like not only are we getting old, but we're getting like holy crap. Like we're just getting probably the first time where we were like, this doesn't belong on the show. This is too good for this show, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 54:43

So my number two, red buttons and Kay Ballard is Buddy Redman and Joan Redman in The Gift. We brought it up earlier. I mean, Red Button, these two were great. Yeah. Absolutely great.

SPEAKER_02 54:57

What a loaded category this is. My number one, I believe was on your list earlier. Lauren Green, Audrey Lindley, as Buddy Bowers, and Portia Fairchild. And again, I think it was just like timing of the season and everything. And they're the best part of that episode. I mean, not that the episode's bad by any means, it's very good, but it's just like those guys really kicked off the season.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

So they jumped off the screen too. Like it Lauren Green, everything was so easy.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

Yeah, yeah. And it really felt like, I mean, because again, if you think about it, like they disappear in the second half of that two-parter, and they we still think about them like that.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

So okay, this is a little outside the box here. I'm going with Gavin McLeod and Gavin McLeod. As Captain Stubing and Marshall Stubing, the Captain's ne'er do well brother.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

That is outside. That is outside the box. I can't believe you would give Gavin McLeod two stubbies.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

I mean, it was an amazing performance.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

So cross, so as far as we both have Lauren Green, Nordger Lindley, we both have Donamici and Martha Scott. Um, I feel like those are probably let's give it to one of them.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

Can I say this?

SPEAKER_02 56:24

Yeah, I'm I'm yeah, I'm giving you I'm giving you a final decision on on that.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

So I think that we should go Lauren Green, and and I say this because Lauren Green and Audre Lindley, because number one, amazing performance, but number two, they kicked off this season of the olds. Like if they had like crapped the bed, we wouldn't have the season of the olds. We wouldn't even be talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 56:45

That's true. That is true. So it did, it set us. I mean, it's funny because I think ultimately this is not a good season, but like it is better to start with a good episode, and it was really the first time a two-parter was good, you know.

SPEAKER_00 56:59

So it was, it set that bar much higher for those two parters.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

I mean, even this makes me very happy too, because I don't know if we'd ever be able to get Audre Lindley one with all the competition around here. So I'm I'm happy, I'm I'm happy with that. So congratulations, Lauren Green, Audre Lindley makes up for you singing Dusty Rhodes' theme a hundred times in that episode.

SPEAKER_00 57:23

But if you know what that that award feels good, you know what I mean? Like, I just feel like that they really earned that award.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

Well, and that's the thing too, where it's like while Amichi and Martha Scott were great and everything, sure, like it almost does feel like that award should be the feel, like it's almost like you know, that just should be like a people's choice award more than a Emmy or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

And they set the tone for the whole season. I mean, who's to say if if Don Amichi and Martha Scott had they been in the first episode in their storyline? Who knows how that would have changed things?

SPEAKER_02 57:56

I just it's a different tone. It's a different tone, right? I mean, that wasn't that was good, that was great acting, but it wasn't, you know, that was a weirder, like quieter, you know.

SPEAKER_00 58:06

So but yeah, congratulations, Lauren Green. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 58:09

I'm happy that made that that makes me happy that we're yeah, that makes me happy too.

SPEAKER_00 58:13

And we go from happiness to our next our next category, which is best villain, male, male or female performance by an intentional bad character. Uh season one winner, of course, who could forget David Hedison is is our pal, Buddy Stanford. And then the amazing performance of Mr. Art Artie Johnson as Marty Austin last year. I'm sorry, five nominees. Here's my number five. Dennis Morgan is Steve Bryan another time and another place. The man who thought he could he could, you know, convince a nun to leave the old Steve Bryan.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

He's sitting on so many of my lists, like right there, and it's always like Steve Bryan thought he could beat God. Like in place.

SPEAKER_00 59:09

I think we just said his first name, last name combination so many times that I felt like I had to put him in here.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Absolutely. I don't disagree. He's a villain. Number five for me, and this is a little obscure, but when you listen to our episode, this was a good example of I'm glad that we talked the way we talk about these things in the moment so you can kind of remember. Carol Lawrence as Marcy McGuire, episode three. She was the dance, the ballet uh veteran who came from Germany to to lure the shark away from the girl and was like making out with him and everything. And she was just yeah, and she was like just kind of like cold and callous and very very villainous. And so I can't argue with that. I thought I wanted to get her her in there because I I think, especially in that episode, we really we really were hitting it hard, you know, so I didn't want to forget that that performance.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:03

My number three is Ross Martin. Um no, my number four, I'm sorry, my number four is Ross Martin is Tom Thornton from Wii Three. We talked about him before, and just yeah, yeah, he's bad dude. Bad dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:20

Number four for me, and I've I've talked about this a little bit already. Alex Cord is Mr. Barrett.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:27

Now that's a good one. I didn't even think of him.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

It's yeah, it's tough because like he does have a face turn at the end, and he was good to his daughter, and he didn't hit that kid, but there was just like so there was just a lot of villainous behavior, and it was a great performance in terms of like really straddling, really straddling the line between what felt like almost every five seconds could have been something very inappropriate for television.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Oh my gosh, that's a good that's a good call. Number three for me is Dak Rambo is Peter Welch. Not now I'm dying, as we we talked about before, just because you don't do that to Barbie Benton.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:07

Yeah. So yeah, we took that one personally. Yeah we took that one personally. Yeah. Number three, and I'm putting this here because I feel like this guy is criminally underrated, and and it was a it was a tremendous villain performance. Lyle Wagner as Jay Kavanaugh, when he was basically breaking up the Newlywoods. Now I will say he was not alone in trying to break up the newlywoods, but he was just pompous and shocked that he was perfect. Julie wasn't interested, and like, yeah, and he looked great. No, he was just uh, you know, he even had that wild thing where he got on stage and the band cut out, but great performance again by Lyle Wagner.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

He looks like an action figure.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:46

He really does. He's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

Okay, so let's let's get down to it. Number two and number one, these we're gonna have the same two, I think. I man, these are interchangeable. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go with them as as originally listed. My number two is Karen Kay as Natalie from the Alaskan Wedding Cruise. You remember Karen who showed up intent on breaking up that wedding. She spent the night before his wedding with him, like just awful. I thought that was she was the most villainous character of the season, but I was wrong, which is why she gets number two in my book.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

So I have her as number one. Okay. Same reasons. I want to hear your number one before we have this discussion.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

My number one played a character named Frank Baloque. That's right. Benson himself, Robert Guillaume. You want to talk about a villain. He didn't give two shits. He just was like, yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

I have him elsewhere. Excellent, excellent point. So my number two, and this is where I thought you were going, was Damon Wilson as Bart.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

He comes up later in on my list. Yeah, fair enough. You know what? I didn't think he was a villain because I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:11

I mean, he was as much of a villain as Frank Baloch was.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:14

No, I don't think I don't think so. I because Frank Baloch was his best friend. You know, he's messing with Damon Wilson's just there to party. You know what I mean? He's not there to I never I just never got the the villainous vibe. Fair enough. But I think we should probably go. I mean, Karen was the OG. I think it's gotta be her.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

If you had had, if we'd had the same other one, we could have had more of a even a co. But I think ultimately, and it's hard because the first episode is so long ago, but it's like she shows up, she shows up, she's in cahoots with the priest, she blows off the bridemaid, she drags the groom out from when they're being introduced, she jumps out of a cake, she sleeps in his bed, she basically busts up the marriage. She then she likes she she ditches Mark Harmon when he loses his money, and she gets slapped and says, Was a what a peasant. Wearing inappropriate clothing, like and there's five, there's five more things that I'm not even thinking about.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

So yeah, she yeah, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

I agree. So that was one that we called that shot in the episode well well deserved, Karen King. All right, let's see, number 11. We are now going to be halfway through here, and this is this is kind of like best animals. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:37

We almost had one.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

Best recurring guest. Now, when we invented this award back in season one, Love Boat was bringing people back constantly to the point where Michelle Lee was on three episodes in one season.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:52

And now there's a lot of Michelle Lee. We don't see that anymore, do we?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:57

No, because I only have two people that were in multiple episodes this season. Do you even have anybody else?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

I did, but I'm not gonna read his name. I'm not reading that son of a bitch's name for what he did. He screwed my whole ballot up.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:09

So basically, this is anybody who's been on multiple episodes as a guest throughout the season. And like I said, season one, Michelle Lee was in three episodes. Amazing. Last year, Sonny Bono was in two.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:22

Artie the waiter, can we say? Is that a returning? I don't know if that does that count here.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

You mean Sid the Waiter?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

Sid the waiter. Sorry, I'm flustered because of Dano. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

Okay, well, let's let's we'll we'll do this properly. So I only came up with two people. So number two is James MacArthur, who was terrible as Chet Hansen, and then even worse as the priest. I have him as number two.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

Who do you have as the word is best. That's why I don't have it. He was the only one I even thought I could. Who's the other person that's been on? Well, to me, the winner is Sid Gould. It has to be, right? It has to be Sidney.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

In four, yeah, he was in four episodes, he was definitely better than James MacArthur. I think it's Sid Gould. And I think that also makes it okay. Yes, it's weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:10

So I more feel like it's more of a cameo, even though it's not than it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:14

I agree, but I we can't give it to James MacArthur. No, we can't. No, so but here's this is this is interesting. So the first season it was weird that they had so much of it. But now this season it's weird that they have so little of it. So I wonder if there's a middle, or I wonder if we're just always gonna run into this and we're gonna have to retire this award at some point. So or it has to become best animal slash recurring guests.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:39

No kidding, that's funny. Slash the James MacArthur uh bear award. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:44

I just want to point out some of the absolute no-names that have won LBs in the first half here.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

It is pretty amazing. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:53

Sid Gould K. Karen Kay, Henry Pollock the second, Stephen Manley. It's a real girls love Lois Hamilton.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:01

That's though. It's Stephen Manley.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:04

I think the second half will pick up.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

Who knows? Next next category, best moment. Three nominees. Favorite individual moment slash scene from this season. Season one, this is where we got the the awards were named after Stubby, as Stubby Stooping's father dressed down his son constantly. Still makes me laugh all the time. Season two winner of the death of Ken Breyer. That's a great one.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

I know, that's why I wrote it like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

My number three. This is a bit of a joke, too. It's Mark Harmon running. It just made me giggle all season.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

So I'm cheating this one a little bit, but I feel like you can cheat one of these. And I wanted to get this guy in here somewhere. And when we watched the episode, we were probably more critical of it. But as I look back, I'm gonna remember it forever. Phil Harris, Jives Soul Bro. Like I just feel like that whole him and Isaac interactions, and him talking about this guy's uh got a bogey or whatever. He's get it all, mama. Like Phil Harris was just insane, an insane performance.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:30

That was my number two was the Phil Phil Harris performance. I just put it in quotes. I didn't even know what to how to deal with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:39

Oh, that's funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:41

That was your number two? That was my number two.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

I'm curious to know what is your number two.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:47

So my number two is the I keep going back to it, the Mr. Barrett Kevin showdown. And it's that three minutes or whatever, he finds them smooch and he runs down the steps, he yells at them, and then they just start dropping haymakers. You're a no good kid, this is why no one loves you, and then she's like, This is why you're a loser, like all this stuff. And there's that five second we talked about. There's that five seconds when you watch it in 2025 where you don't know if it's okay to hit a kid in 1979 on television. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:19

I thought Kevin was getting hurt.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:21

It is weirdly one of the tension. It might be the most tense scene we've ever had on this show. Like it was who would have thought it would come from them. That right, exactly. So I I just think those two were chipping each other the whole time. So that was my number two.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:39

I'm gonna go my number one, Milton Benson addressing the crew and hey, jealous lover. We did talk about it before, it was just I don't know if that's an individual scene, but there are there are a few moments in that episode where Milton Benson is just laying it into him.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:58

The only reason I didn't have it is because it was so much. Yeah, it was more than a moment, right? But you're not you're not wrong in its greatness. My number one, and again, this kind of goes back to a moment definition more than anything, is Matt almost drowning in the in the hot tub. Oh, and it's just that thing where I think of all the things this season, I rewound that the most. So it's it's this season's version of what's his name, diving into the cot.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

So it's which which was absolutely a nominee, right? Yeah, I completely agree, and shame on me.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:37

Yeah, I feel like you this is okay because we all have our blind spots, but I feel like you hated Matt so much that he's getting kind of short shifted by you.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:46

Is that best or is that worst moment? I thought about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:51

Well, here's the thing. I thought about it. I I because originally I think I had it on worst originally, and I think the it is our ultimate reaction to it. If you remember worst the first year was Julie's Red Hot, all that stuff. Right, but you still you still have that reaction, right? You don't have that like no worst worst moment almost becomes cringe, right? More than anything, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:18

No, you're right. So that's where I'm at with that. And I I think I've rewound and watched that scene more than any other scene in the history of the show so far.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:24

Which ultimately is kind of what it should be, right? I mean, yeah, so like you would never rewind worse moment. Yeah, so so congratulations to Matt Benton for his stubby win. All right, let's see. The flip side of this coin is worse moment, and we kind of just told you what the definition was. Three nominations here as well. I am pretty happy with my list, but obviously a lot of candidates. I have when I'm when we're done here, I'd like to you have some honorable mentions as well. I'd like to kind of go through when we're done here if there's anything you want to hit, because it's a it's a good list, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:05

So well, let me say this is I whittled this down from a much larger list, but I but let me just throw away my three. My three was the Matt almost drowning, but after the conversation we had, I'm totally on the side.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

So do you want to do you want to quick replace do you want to quick replace it for an official nomination? No.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:22

I don't have uh I don't have the full list in front of me. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:24

Okay. So my number three, and again, this is a little more than a moment, but not much more, is Julie gets Alaska. And it's just the whole thing, and it really was much in the way we talked about Lauren Green and Audrey Lindley setting the tone for the season in a positive way, it really did dictate Julie's season for the most part, right? And we're not done, we're not done yet with it. But if you want to go with moment, it's just that her pure excitement followed by just the absolute crushingness of you know, when you could see what was happening, you know, with excitement and then dying with non-excitement.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:05

You know what's funny is God, that's a great one. And I was thinking about it earlier today. I was thinking about that moment as it related to a to the larger sort of character development over the season. And let me ask you, did they spend more time or do more work developing Vicky's character this season or Julie's? And I said before you answer, I say, because the Julie thing was the beginning of the season. You know what I mean? There was they kind of hit her with this. I oh man. That God, that's such a good one right there. I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:42

Yeah, the problem, and this is probably more of a conversation for the best crew member thing, is but the problem is it depends on what they actually resolve it as. If this informs the Julie character moving forward, then it actually was amazing storytelling.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:00

But do you trust them to do that? No, yeah, no, if they haven't done anything by now. What are we putting all our all of our chips on Marv Prime coming back?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:10

Is that what he's coming back? He's coming back. Stay tuned for the end of the show when we look ahead. My number two, and my number two and my number one are interchangeable, but I was basically going into what is more criminal. My number two is Helen Ames thinks that her fiance is sleeping with her daughter, and that is from the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader episode, and she just goes, he didn't help for a while, but also like she went into a spiral to the point where she just starts wandering around Mexico with the she took it a little far. And as we said on the episode with Amin, there's no way they got married, and if they did, it didn't last very long.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:53

So oh god no, god no. My number two is the Penny Barrett body double on the balance beam in the spa. Just no effort was done. Like, didn't look anything like Nancy McKeon. Just shoddy work right there.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:14

Okay, now my number one.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:16

Okay, this is gonna be interesting. I got a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:19

Okay. I'm not married to this one, and some of it, you know, it's not necessarily on screen, which is bad for a moment, but my number one is fake Gilbert Farreau murders real Gilbert Farot lies about it for 50 years. That is kind of crazy that that was their storyline.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:38

Yeah, it was pretty uh yeah, that was a weird one. But my number one, I have Stubing standing on the dance floor and watching Eleanor dancing with another man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

No, yeah, that's fair. Honestly, that's fair. Like that is that's a better definition of cringe, and it was awful in the moment. Yeah, I think that's 100%. Here's the thing. Season one, worst moment went to Julie. Season two, worst moment happened to Julie. We can't give it to Julie three throws.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:14

Oh, I didn't think about that. Now I kind of feel like we have to, though. You know, somehow.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

It's your call. It's your call, honestly. I'm fine with either. It's either Julie gets Alaska or Stubin got friend zoned to death.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:27

Let me ask you this then. Let me ask you, what was the more impactful moment? Oh, it was definitely Julie getting Alaska. Well, I think it I think it writes itself.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:35

Oh my god, we're Julie.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:37

Julie gets Alaska. Three in a row.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:39

Three Pete for Julie. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:42

Wow. I just want to go. She was winning an award tonight, huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:45

No, that's for sure. I just want to go through some of the other ones that I have here. So I have Julie gets Alaska. We have Meryl Stubing, cruise director instructor. Let's see. We have uh Frank Sinatra Jr. as the Prince of Pop.

unknown 1:17:01

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:02

Taptain Stubing. Stubing. Stubing gets Julie's birthday wrong. Stubing, this is the yeah, Stubing gets friend zoned. We have that one, yeah. John Hurley turns into Kurt Stansel and gives a list of criticisms. What does this even say? Stubing reads, yeah, honest text note. Stubing gets faced by his brother, Gene Rayburn, all of it. So Steve Steve Ryan tries to defeat God, Julie's advice to be dumb, Gordon Leighton tries to rip off the princess line, the children's blood cult, and Vicky's custody hearing on so there were a lot of bad moments this year. So there really were. But congratulations for the third season row. Julie. Let me say this. That really does show how much we care about Julie as a character, even now, through all of it. Well, sure. Because it hurts us the most. It does.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:09

It does. I miss Julie. Next category, award number 14, is the Friends and Family Award. Three nominations, new category. This is for the best performance by a guest star playing and playing the role of a character presented as a family member or friend of someone in the main cast.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:29

So we made this one in part because we knew the crew, part-time crew thing was was kind of thin, and we thought this might be a different entry in. But as we went through it here, I was actually happy that we had it because I was able to get some people in that I maybe wasn't expecting to.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:45

I'm going to go number my number three on this is Shelly Hack, just because she was so unlikable as Carol Kate and dumb luck. But she meets the criteria, so I'm gonna nominate her.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

Now I have her as number two. I don't think she was unlikable. I thought she was I do not understand I didn't like that's fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:06

I do I don't I didn't like the storyline, but I don't understand the Shelley Hack disdain by people. I think she's been very good in the two things we saw. So I wasn't it was more the storyline. Oh, it was 100% storyline. We'll we'll we'll see that coming up. So that was my number two. My number three, is this deserved? I don't know, but it fits and we love her. Barbie Benton as Lucy, who was Doc's friend when she came on the boat with Peter Welsh.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:36

So I can't believe I missed an opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:38

I know we have Barbie, I know we have Barbie coming back at least one more time, but I was afraid, and I was like, this is the spot. We gotta get her a stubby nominee. She's royalty. As we go on here, I'm becoming more like crony cronies, like I need to get my guys stop stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:54

Yeah, yeah. No. My number two is Juliet Prouse as Samantha Bricker. Doc's X change, episode 65.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:03

I didn't think about her. Probably because I didn't like that episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:05

I didn't love it. Yeah. You just like it because she brushed your hair 5,000 times. Well, he did the whole robe thing. You know how I feel about it. That is true.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:14

The winner for me, and the reason this category probably exists. Yeah, I know where we're going. Gavin McLeod is Marshall Snooping.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:26

And that is our second like award. Was not surprised. I will say this. I thought about Helen Hayes, but there's another a few other places to put her.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:38

Plus, that was a thin friends and family, you know, it was there if you needed it, but um who knew that Gavin McLeod was just gonna kick the door in with that performance. I mean, strong.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:52

It's it's it put us in a weird spot because it's like he is a character, but he's also the same guy, like it's just very weird. So it really was good. It was very good. All right. Uh me. So okay. This is an interesting one. Best musical performance five nominees. Any performer singing instrumental. We have talked about this in terms of is it performer versus performance? And I think we decided it's performance. Yeah. Or performances, you know, it's not like a in to-to award. So that's fine. Yeah. Season one, we talked about this, went to Diane Carroll for her devastating song at Isaac as Roxy Blue. Last season went to Sonny Bono as Phil Baxtrom with Sarah, despite my best efforts to get Dream Girls an award. As I said earlier, if everything we've done this season was on board, Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders theme would be on there, but let's see. All right, number five. For me, we go back to Halloween. Melissa Sue Anderson as Cindy Drome Witchcraft.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:13

Yeah, I can't argue. That's my number four. That's my number four.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:19

She didn't sing it very often, but she sang it a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

What's your number four? Well, you wanna do your five? Oh, that was my five. Oh, that was your five? Sorry, I thought you said four.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:38

Yeah, okay, cool. My number four was Charo is April Lopez for the sad guitar instrumental. And I just have it as that.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:48

My number four is Charo is April Lopez doing La Bamba in April's Love.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:58

All right. Number three, and I think you're gonna have a different pick for the same guy, but my pick here is Fred Grandy as gopher, and I went with his performance for Mac the Knife, which was when he was the jazzed up lounge singer. I have the same as my number three.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:17

Wow, look at this. Yeah, we are we are getting close here. There's zero chance you're gonna match my number one.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:22

And there's zero chance you're gonna match my number two. All right. Well, we'll see. Number two. I hinted at this earlier. Slim Pickens, Lucius Schofield, Turkey in the straw. He played this thing for like nine minutes.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:39

People loved it. My number two, Donnie Osmond and his Danny Fields traveling band.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:48

Oh, he didn't go West Virginia?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:50

No. No, not that one. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:54

Okay. Well, now I'm really curious. I think I okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:57

Uh we'll see. Okay. You're gonna love this one.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:00

All right. My number one, and I do think the best actual song of this season. Same. Is Rex Smith as Mark Redding every time I see you?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:13

Really? Street Hawk himself, huh?

SPEAKER_02 1:24:15

It's a catchy tune, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:18

It is catchy, Mike, but is it as catchy as the song performed by Gene Rayburn and Ethel Merman? The Navy song.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:32

Whoo, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:33

I totally forgot that. I just forgot it. I just wasn't even thinking about it. There's like six words to the song, and they just repeat it. It's great.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:42

Well, you didn't even you really didn't have Mark Redding on there at all. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:47

See, the problem is you don't like poppy songs.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:50

That's the problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:50

You don't like him singing that song.

unknown 1:24:53

Fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:53

Do you want to give it to Gopher? Because we both have the exact same one.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:56

Yeah, let's give him to Gopher.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:57

That's fine. And plus, that also does cover the Gopher had about five songs this year in you know different episodes. Congratulations, Fred Grandy. The rare, except for Julie Wurst's, the rare win outside of the crew category.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:14

Oh, and this is next up. Next category is my favorite category.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:19

We're in the heavy stuff now.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:20

Here we go. Forget about the first half of this, because now here we we're gonna do some real business here. The worst. Five nominees, male or female performance. That was the worst character of the season, and my favorite part, regardless of intent.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:37

Yeah. Yeah. This is kind of like we did kind of talk about it with the worst moment, but it is kind of as much your reaction to the character as much as their intention for it. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:48

My number five is Jennifer Salt as Patricia Lucas, my boyfriend, is back.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:55

Excellent choice.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:56

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:57

My number five is we talked about him earlier, Robert Guillaume as Frank Balouk. Many of the same things you said about villain. Uh, I'm saying that uh in in the same way, in that there were four people in that storyline. He was one of them. He pissed off the other three egregiously. So a way to go, Frank.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:17

Uh my number four is Joanna Cassidy, is Joan Horner. Oh, I knew you were gonna do that. Terrible person.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:27

I will say you hated that character as much as anybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:29

Oh, just yeah. It just just outwardly, just a jerk. Just and I wasn't trying to hide it. Just villainous, but just the worst person ever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:42

My number four, James MacArthur and Joanne Petit as the Hansons. They were terrible. They were terrible human beings. They were terrible to each other, they were terrible to others, they deserve each other. I never want to talk about them after this episode ever again.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:59

So my number three is Patrick Wayne, who did not play Superman, as Matt Benton, what's a brother for? Obvious reasons.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:11

My number three is Ross Martin as Tom Thornton. We three. We talked about a lot of this earlier, but he basically just lorded over his paternity a couple minutes before his adopted daughter was gonna, you know, it's just just absolutely terrible, terrible human being, and just really didn't really ever have a redeeming quality the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:33

And there's no reason for it, too. It's just such a weird approach. Yeah. My number two, Joanna Pettit, Petite, Petit, is Carol Hansen, next door wife, our episode number sixty four.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:50

My number two was your number five, I believe, Jennifer Salt, as Patty Lucas, as we talked about a little bit with Lyle Wagner. She had been married for, I believe, hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:05

Maybe an hour. Yeah. Maybe 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:08

Runs into her old boyfriend, and by the second day is dancing with him head on chest. And then when her husband walks out, she doesn't even go back to find him. Like just she's actually having dinner with Lyle Wagner. Like, just really, just truly awful, awful person.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:27

So and my number one here, Mike. This for me was a no-brainer. The Hudson brothers haven't we met before. Zero redeeming qualities out of these ass clowns, all three of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:46

They were on my extended list. So my number one is Patrick Wayne as Mark Ben. And so I have I have a question. Because I think really Jennifer Salt is worse in terms of my reaction, right? But how much does the actual performance itself weigh into it? I think Patrick Wayne's performance was much better than Jennifer Salt. So it's like I'm fine with either one, but I don't know what the answer is. Like, is it a quality award or is it your reaction award?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:26

No, you know it's funny. So if if if we have let's take everyone else out of the equation, if we just talk about Jennifer Salt or Patrick Wayne, those two characters. I completely agree. Well, and the thing is, I think we both had more of a visceral reaction to Matt than we did for Patricia Lucas. I think for us, we were just like mad at her. Like, what's wrong with you? And this guy was just I for that reason, I feel like we should give this to Patrick Wayne as Matt Ben.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:57

I'm okay with that. And I and I think it is that thing where his bad touched a lot more people, right? Like he he got in the mix with Doc. Yeah, Joan Van Ark was gonna punch him in the face. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:11

The crew at the you know, the Seawind Spa. I mean, look what imagine the paperwork they'd have to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:17

I think it was just it was just an elite performance. I really think that. The more I think about it, just I really think it was a great. I can't wait to see him again because I want to see if he's really this good. And if he is this good, why didn't he be a bigger star? You know, so I hope he comes back as Matt Benton. That's just every time. Just every time. He's the he's the Mort Prime, he's the regular, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:44

God, big category coming up, Mike. Oh okay. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:51

We have talked about this a lot. I believe Best Olds was like third on the ballot last season. Like so we moved it way down the list. Best Olds is basically anyone portrayed as an old. We've taken the age number out of it, five nominations. Season one winner was Phil Silvers, Stubby himself, season two was Minnie Pearl. So, you know, high cotton here, the former winners, but the list is enormous. Now, I will say before we start, as I said earlier, I was trying to maybe make sure a lot of people got represented. So same, same.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

So best summer represented later, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:37

Right. And so I will say my best old really reflects the people who were the most old and good, as opposed to, you know, like so. Right, right, right, right. I tried to focus on that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:50

Everybody on here is a banger, though. Like so. I agree. Number five for me, and we talked about her already, Martha Scott as Janet Latham. Amazing the opposite of Donamichi in that flower episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:04

My number five Red Buttons is Buddy Redman. Yep. The gift, redeeming, redeeming performance for Mr. Mr. Buttons.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:14

Yeah, and it was funny because we talked about it, I think, on that episode. It wasn't a most improved because we know Red Buttons is a good actor, right? It wasn't like, you know, he just got a crappy storyline that first time, but he was so good in that. Number four for me, Douglas Fairbanks Jr. as Elliot Norman. Just a great. Again, one of those guys that I knew his name and don't know that I've ever actually seen him in anything. Just an absolute great, like caddy caddy prick too. It was just like, oh, he was fantastic. Played a good drunk, too, which I really drunk. What do we have?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:49

Four or three? Four. Four. Uh Martha Scott, Janet Latham, one rose a day. Yep. Kind of hard to argue with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:56

My number three is her opposite in that, Donamichi, as Henry Dobson. As I said on that episode, I am related to Donomichi about a hundred times removed, but congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:08

Should you not should you sit this should I recuse myself from this? Yes. I I have Donamici as my number three as well. Same reason. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:18

Number two. This is a guy we haven't talked about. And it's funny because I think in a different season where the olds are not so dominant, and in a different episode where the olds are not so dominant, we might talk about him more.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:34

I know where you're going.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:35

Yeah. Gray Malan, yeah, as Peter Bradford was amazing, was by far the best, like Stubings old man crushed. Like all that stuff. Was really good. Just all of it was really good. That whole episode is just such good acting. Solid. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:55

He was my number one. Which is totally fair. Same reasons. Yeah. Yeah. And my number two was Phyllis Diller as Viola Penny, the audit couple. Just yeah, the two roles so different. She was great because it was like, where did Phyllis Diller go? Yeah. Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:11

No, you're right. And I like I said, I think I just ran out of room. Like you're gonna lose some people, you're just gonna run out of room. It is what it is. And that that was coming happen. My number one of the old, I mean it really is. My number one is Helen Hayes. We'll get to her later, but yeah, understood. And again, I think I have her with this one because it was more old, obviously, focused. I always get a little nervous about the episode we just saw, but it was that thing where. And again, it's also the thing where if she was Helen Frank, you know, would I have thought the same? But it was just like, I know that name, and she's amazing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:46

And she was right, compl she was amazing, she was absolutely amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:50

I'm fine with going Malan since you have him as one and I have him as two. Okay, let's go Malan.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:55

Congratulations, Rain Millan. No kidding. We're gonna see Helen Hayes, I'm sure, again soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:02

What a category.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:04

Best slash worst episode, three nominees each. Let me give you my three, let me give you my number three of the best, and then I'll give you, you know, let's do best first. I'm sorry. Number three, the captain's ne'er do well, brother, the perfect match, and the remake is my number three as best episode of the season.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:26

It's funny. That was my first cut or fourth or whatever, because I basically was I was debating between that one and what I ended up going with was episode 20, which was Another Time, Another Place, Doctor Who, and uh Gopher's Engagement. So it was very close though between those two.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:45

I kind of now number two and number one. Interestingly enough, I kind of relied on our analysis of episodes at the end of each episode. You know, so I got the two parters right here.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:05

I I have the Alaskan wed Alaskan wedding crews at one and the cowboy cheerleader episode at two.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:12

And I have the reverse. So yeah, and I don't think I don't think there's a wrong answer, and I will say as we go through here, yeah, the hardware is going towards one more than nine, and I think we can just use that as a tiebreaker because it was pretty close, right? Yeah, and so I think episode one getting it is fair, but there are there are no wrong answers there. Once again, I feel like this is three seasons in a row where we have two that just stood above everything else.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:44

Well, I wonder, you make a good point. I wonder would we have thought Alaskan Wedding Cruise was even better if we had seen it midway through the season?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:53

Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, which is another good way to look at it. That we it's the one we've seen the furthest away. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:01

And we still worst episode, still the same sort of category. Season one winner, episode 23, The Widowers, the X-hooker, Stooping Weight Loss, which was a terrible one. Season two, winner of the worst, episode 22, which was Ages of Man, Bo and Sam and the Families. Oh my number three episode on this is Celebration, Captain Papa, and honeymoon pressure.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:33

Yeah. All right, my number three, episode 19, not so fast gopher, have we met before, and Soulmates, which of course is Ethel Merman Visiting Gopher, the hand the your boys, the Hudson brothers, and the hilarious comic stylings of whatever his name was, Jimmy Joe Coy. Yeah, whatever his name was.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:58

That is my number one, that is my least favorite episode of the of the season, right there. Like without it's not even close. And I'll say my number two was the stimulation of Stephanie, the next step, and life begins at 40.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:13

Yeah, there are like six of these that I feel like you couldn't go wrong. My number two is the April's April's Love and We Three, you know, because that's obviously a lot of bad. And then my number one is Celebration, Honeymoon, Romance, and Captain Papa. My only argument about number one is in addition to being bad, they burned the Vicky custody stuff in an egregious way. That was my only thing. But I'm literally fine with any of these choices because they're all terrible. So I'm gonna throw my flag on this one to pick the not-so-fast over Have We Met Before Soulmates, because it was funny, well, yeah, and it was funny because when I was looking at it, I was like, if I had to sum that one up in a second, it was just it was too much. And I think we even said that during the episode, right? It was just too much to have the Hudson brothers and Gene Rayburn and Ethel Merman and the Korean comedian.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:20

Like, there was just too much, too much, and there was no reason to have those brothers on there. That guy that have we met before didn't need those dumbasses to really get through that story. It was just those guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:35

That really was bad. I'm I'm very happy with that being a winner. So all right, high cotton now. All right, here we go. Best female performance, five nominations, female performer by anyone outside of the regular crew. Season one winner Diane Carol is Roxy Blue. Last year's winner, that was my only flag at the time, Bess Armstrong as Laura Stratton. Um, I just want to say before we start here, Mike, last year, and you may have noticed this if you listened as well. Last season for Best Female, we had 10 completely different nominees. Yeah. Which was amazing. I don't think that will happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:17

I think we're gonna hear some familiar names here with maybe one. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna be surprised. Again, I got a little bit dictates it.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:26

You know, well, that's the thing. I I I I got a little cute trying to get some people in, but ultimately, yeah, I think you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:32

So I mean, what's good is good. I mean, that's just kind of the way it's well.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:36

The other thing is too, it's like part of it is like when we list nominations, we both have that opportunity, right? So it's like you know, so all right. Uh number five for me already has won tonight. Carol K as Natalie. I still think that was the best villain performance we've seen since Stanfield. So excellent effort from from her.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:57

And honestly, probably should have been a nominee for most improved.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:04

Not that she was bad, not that she was bad in her first episode, but it's like you know what it's like? It's like when Tyrese Maxie won Most Improved. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's like, yeah, it's a jump, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:14

So my number five is Jane Wyman, sister Patricia, another time, another place. Great performance. It she could have been anywhere in this the four, the bottom four of my list. But she was amazing. That sounds bad, but I didn't mean it in a bad way, Jane Wyman.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:31

Number four for me, she has already won a stubby tonight, Jill St. John, as Claire Dalripple. Again, my favorite storyline. You know, just I thought she was great, and we talked about it at the time, and this we talk about this a lot in a good way and a bad way. That could have gone bad because it's gopher, too, right? Like you can't have a certain level of woman in there. She had to kind of almost come down a little bit for gopher.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:09

So oh, yeah, it's got it's gotta be within those parameters to make it even somewhat believable.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:13

Gopher kind of needs a girl next door type, or it doesn't work, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:17

So I agree. I had the same as my uh my number two. Number four. Or number four, sorry. Four, yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:26

Number three for me, Ginger Rogers as Estella Logan. And again, this is the version I probably have seen Ginger Rogers and things, obviously, but it's like that is just that is just a name that you know you learn about in music class when you're oh yeah, 12 years old. And for her to be so good, in fact, the worst thing she did was the singing part. Just that was more that was more the song choice, I think, than anything. But it was like she was so good, so you know, just I agree, really, really good.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:57

So I have my number three is Phyllis Diller, again, Viola Penny, again, and I I I've nominated her a few times.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:06

No, I'm glad you did. That's a miss. That's a miss on my part. I'm glad you I'm glad you cleaned that up. So number two for me, we talked about her already, she's already won an award. A lot of people have won awards here already. Audre Lindley as Portia Fairchild. And again, probably, I mean, definitely her best performance. We've seen her three times or whatever, but it was like she she was the most like Mrs. Roper, but all the good things and not the over things. And also it was like she ended up being the defender of Lisa Hartman in a way that really needed it, but you didn't realize it, right? So she was she was just excellent.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:48

So my number two is Martha Scott, is Janet Latham. Janet Latham, I've brought her up multiple times this evening, one rose a day. Amazing performance.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:59

So my number one is Jane, is Jane Wyman. And like I said, part of that is just because of the chicanery I'm doing trying to get everybody in here. I think I know where you're going with number one, and I'm totally fine with that. My only thing I'll say about Wyman was I think it was the most that was like carrying an episode more than maybe anybody did this season in terms of like I mean, she got the end shot of act four, right? It was like there was a lot going on there, and and I don't think Steve Bryan was a great foil, but I thought she was really good. But I'm not gonna argue with your with your pick.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:39

So my number one I went with Helen Hayes as Agatha Winslow. Look, she was just a force. She was you know what I mean. I uh I can see Jane Wyman, I can see Helen Hayes.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:55

I don't want to do this, and we're not going to do it. But like if you were ever going to have like a co that would be the spot to have it, right? I agree. I agree. But I feel like when we open that door, it's kind of Yeah, and you don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:11

We're we only get you only get one statue. So exactly. So I think split it in half.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:17

I think we'll give it to Helen Hayes because if I think if my controversial final pick doesn't work out, that might be an option for somebody else anyway. So congratulations to Helen Hayes for winning probably bigger than any of her Broadway awards, I would imagine. Oh, she was the Eagle. This might give her this. Well now she's got she's got a ste's got a Steagot now.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:43

Is she the first person with the Steagot?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:46

She's gotta be, right? Has to be. Maybe Billy Crystal? He probably didn't get an Oscar.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:54

I don't think he has an Oscar like that. What for City Slickers? What about Curly's Gold? Wow, here's a big one, Mike. Best male performance, male performance by any non-regular cast member. Season one, Bob Crane, two-time stubby winner. First portrayal is Teddy Anderson. Season two winner, Billy Crystal as the kissing bandit. Who boy, oh boy. I my number five on this one is James Gregory as Milton Benson and Hey Jealous Lover.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:33

Hard to argue. My my we will have a conversation towards the top of the ballot just in terms of I don't know how to handle James Gregory, you know, in a way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:43

I didn't know where to put him.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:45

So number five for me, and this was before I realized you were going to take care of business already, but I wanted to make sure he got one in his last performance for us, uh, Christopher George, as Bud Pomeroy. Yeah. Just we've talked about it before. He's so good. Of all the people, it's him and Barbie Benton in terms of people I just did not know before we started doing this, that I just have such an affinity for now, like deep, deep affinity. So you know, same.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:16

So same. So yeah, I'm a huge. My number four is Ray Milan, is Peter Bradbury. We talked about this one, Alaska Wedding Cruise, Peter and Alicia. He's already won one award this evening.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:31

Number four for me, and again, this is where I just wanted to make sure he got represented because the more I thought about it, the more it was like amazing work, and it just gets lost in the shuffle of everything. I'd be surprised if you do. I'll be impressed if you do. Bill Daly is Paul Turner. Yeah. I love Bill Daly growing up watching I dream a genie. He was always funny to me, or whatever, but it was like that guy played frazzled at his wits' end, trying to corral. There's like nine characters. There's like nine characters in that story. And that poker scene when he walks in, and and you know, it's just it's all so good. And is it really the fourth best male performance? Probably not, but I I I just I wanted to make sure he got his flowers for this season.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:23

So my number three is Donna Michi as Henry Dobbs in one rose a day. I mean, multiple nominations for Mr.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:34

Michi. Absolutely well deserved. And he is one that is coming back a few times, much to our surprise.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:41

I love Donna Michi.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:42

And I don't think he's gonna go worse. So number three for me, this is where I got red buttons in as Buddy Redman. Just like we talked about, just just if that thing had been a Chris, it's so funny. If that thing had been the Christmas episode, probably would have moved him up a couple spots, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:00

Like, I mean, it just would have been, yeah. It was a perfect Christmas episode, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:04

I will say I have confirmed we do have a proper Christmas episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:08

Oh, thank goodness. So my number two, you brought him up earlier, Damond Wilson as Bart in Letter to Baby Cakes. Amazing. Yeah, amazing, amazing. Look, I loved him from Sanford and Sun, but I thought he was great in this role.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:26

I agree. So I have him in my interchangeable one and two spots, so we can have this conversation before you give the one because I have him and James Gregory, and I just didn't know what to do with James Gregory because it is so cartoony, over the top, force of nature, yeah, you know, kind of thing. Whereas Damon Wilson, I think, is like I brought it up a lot on that episode, but it's like he goes from he talks this way to these people. And this way to these people in the drop of a hat. He's natural. And you brought it up where it was like just the takes to the camera. And I mean, he was pro man. He was amazing. And then, well, you know, give you number one, and then we'll have the fuller conversations.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:18

My number one is Christopher George's Bud Pomeroy. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, I, you know, I I I I see what you're saying though with James Craig. James Craig's, it's a weird one with him.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:30

It's just so cartoony that it's like, I will remember it. It is. It's like it's so different. It's impossible to compare it with anything else.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:39

Well, who's the let's say this, okay? It it is for best male performance, but which of those performances is most memorable? It's James Gregory. It's gotta be James Gregory. It's James Gregory. I think we have to give it to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:52

I I'm okay with that. I think I was almost waiting to have this conversation. Yeah. That's why I kind of staggered it. I think it's a shame because Damon Wilson is like the best performance that maybe didn't get anything, but it is a different kind of good. And it was a bad year.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:06

He was good in stuff that just you know, I mean, but shit, James Gregory was just a force. I mean, there's nobody that brought it.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:14

And we talked about we talked about this a little bit in the Dabney Coleman episode last year. Dabney Coleman was in the the Pepito episode, which was also the Connie Stevens drives the boat episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:29

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:30

Which and the bad continuity episode, right? Like that is a horrendous episode that Dabney Coleman dragged, dragged out of a worst episode, you know, win on his back. Episode 21 is terrible. It's absolutely terrible. Yeah, it's really bad. It's really bad. James Gregory. I mean, if you remember, that whole episode is me just reading James Gregory quotes.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:54

He was great. Yeah. Yeah, I can't argue with that. And I think he earned it.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:58

No, I agree. And it's like seven.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:01

It's and it's such a different. They just don't do that. And the other thing is, now maybe they wouldn't have written it for somebody that couldn't do it, but can you imagine somebody who couldn't do it?

SPEAKER_00 1:52:12

No, that's what I'm saying. It would just be way, it wouldn't, it would, it would be so awkward.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:16

Yeah, no, it would just so I think that is a great list of nominees. I'm glad we got so much love for Christopher George and Damon Wilson because they both deserved it, but I think ultimately I think James Gregory is the right choice.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:30

He's just a force. There's there's no arguing. You can't deny James Gregory.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:35

Okay. The most interesting conversation we have every season is best regular cast member. So this is the first year where we have six cast members, but we only have five nominees, and this, of course, is best performance by a regular cast member. Season one went to Julie McCoy, Lauren Hughes. Last year went to Bernie Capel as Adam Bricker. I will say what I said last year that a good chunk of this award, especially down ballot, is about your opportunities. Not as much your quality.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:15

And if you look at it like that, I know that there's five nominees, but realistically, there's only really two ways that this thing can go. Just saying that ahead of time. Because you can just they were non-participants this year.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:30

I will say this. I think my four and five could be interchangeable. I think my two and three can be interchangeable, and I think my one is pretty rock solid. That's I think that's where my brain is.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:41

So I feel as though my my number one is rock solid, my number two is rock solid, and the other three are kind of nothing surprised me.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:50

Okay. So my number five, well, first of all, relegated this season is Jill Wheeling as Vicky. I will say this. It would have been really hard for her to get in, considering she only joined about halfway through. That said, if it wasn't for that weird stretch with the Colt episode and like some of the custody thing, there was just a weird stretch. But otherwise, she was really good in what they gave her.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:19

They gave her quite a bit for half a season, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:23

They did. They did. I like the character. I'll be curious to see where it goes. Yeah. Number five for me, and this is about opportunity as much as anything. I'm going with Ted Lang as Isaac Washington.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:37

They didn't give him anything this year, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:39

They gave him less than they ever do, which is just flat out stupid. Like the quote unquote Isaac episodes were him being third wheel to Rosie Greer and Melbourne, and him being third wheel to Clifton Davis and Bernadette, whatever name was. Like, just he never got a romance, he never got I don't get it. Anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:03

You think they would just break it down amongst, or we're gonna have X amount about this cast member, X amount of this, and they just very weird. And this is the guy that saved the ship during the hurricane, too. Like can we not forget and he got a promotion and all these other things?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:17

He just kind of Well, and it's like they did, I would bet I would bet they did more of the thing I want them to do, which is the one-minute bar scene with a character. Yes, they did more of that, but I feel like they decided, all right, we did that, and that's your thing. But it's like if that's your thing, there should be another guy. Well, you need him to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:40

Well, or I mean you know what I mean, it's gotta be bigger or it's gotta be his gimmick.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:45

Right, exactly. But it's like it it just if you think that's it for him, you're wasting him. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:52

So that was better. I have eyes that get five, and again, it's coming down to opportunity. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:59

All right, number four is Lauren Chus as Julie McCoy.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:05

Go ahead. I would love to hear this argument for number the She didn't even make my list, sir. Well, we have to have five. Who did you have? I got five. Okay. I got I got Vicky. Vicky at four. They did more with Vicky this year.

unknown 1:56:23

Right?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:24

So they did. She's got a here's what I'll say.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:28

Here's what I'll here's what I'll say. She was really good at the beginning. Who? Julie was really good at the very beginning. Listen, good at the character, the character had some troubles, but it was acted very real. Sure. And and the end was very good when she had a bit of a redemption arc. I will not pretend the middle was good. I will not. It is a very thin margin between four and five, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm I'm giving it to Julie. Also, I didn't want to give her last place two years in a row.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:01

So fair enough. She didn't even make my yeah, she's no, I heard.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:05

You're a terrible person.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:08

I didn't want to, but it was just the only thing. Look, I was left Julie left me with just the Alaska thing. Is she so brutal?

SPEAKER_02 1:57:18

Oh, you mean the worst moment of the year again?

SPEAKER_00 1:57:21

Boy, it just makes sense now. Wait a minute, number three? Well, you said Vicky was your number four? Yeah, Vicky's my number four.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:32

Good for you. All right, number three. Last year's winner, Bernie Capell, as Dr. Adam Bricker. Still underused this year, dude. Underused, but I will say this was there was a stretch in the middle, and I think I brought it up, where there was just a few doc storylines that just didn't hit for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:53

The one where he was sick, the one with the ex-wife, the one where he was sick. I didn't like the way that I didn't like the one with the quote unquote Alaska girl where he was all obsessed with the Japanese robes. Like there was just like he Yeah, I didn't like that. He rallied, he rallied late. I thought that last episode was great. That almost made a best storyline for me. The No More Girls for Doc.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:22

I thought that was that was a good storyline.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:23

I like that. I thought that was great, but yeah, I I I felt like a very comfortable third for for Doc.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:34

Same. I mean I have Doc. There's no other we know who the top two is gonna come down to.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:38

I am very proud of you if this is where you have him, and you have to, because we're out of cast members. So number two for me is Gavin McLeod as Meryl Stubing. Everything we asked them to do, they have done. Right. There is a consistency, there is a direction, he is nailing it. Yep. While it's weird sometimes with his advice and his all that stuff, it makes sense in the episode. Like they gave him a spot and he hits it. And the comedy stuff that he does when they give it to him, he's amazing. He's just been really good. He's been really, really, really good.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:21

So I just want to say you are preaching to the choir, sir. There's a reason why I'm putting this cap on. You're a big stupid cat. He's my number one fucking go for one. He's my number one. Oh my God. He is the best regular cast member this year. And I said, and I'll tell you why he is. They gave him the most out of any cast member this season. He went through bringing Vicky on the boat. He went through the adoption thing of the Vicky. He played his twin brother. Like he was everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:52

I don't know that that can count. Can that count? I don't know that that can count. Jeremy might have to throw that one out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:59

He has one more chance for that award. But I'm saying it for all the reasons that you are saying right there. Now, don't get me wrong. The gopher spider serenade storyline, that's the that's the tipping point with me between the two. I give the slight edge to Gavin McLeod this year because of the of the lifting that he did and the improvement. I just think the overall improvement in the character. And I can't believe I'm saying this.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:29

I think here's the problem. While I don't necessarily agree, I feel like the fact that you, your character, the Mike Taylor character, yeah, has gone to this point. I know. I think we have to do this. And it's it's a shame for Fred Grandi because I do think he was the best, most averse by sh by far. I will say his second half cooled a little bit, which which is fair, but I I think I'm gonna take this opportunity for you to give an award to Gavin McLeod. So congratulations to Merrill Stuming for winning, somehow winning Gavin McLeod, winning multiple stubbies this year. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:10

Wow. Who would have thunk? And our final award of the evening, and for season three. This is the big one. The season three, most outstanding performer, five nominees. Any male, female is eligible, including main cast, for the MVP of the season. Season one winner, Diane Carroll is Roxy Blue. Season two winner, Sonny Bono as Deacon Dark, and Phil Baxstrom. All right. My number five for this award is Helen Hayes as Agatha Winslow in Marriage of Convenience, our latest episode. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:52

Now, I just want to say this is my controversial winner. So I have six nominees here. Okay. I can give number six or I can wait until we decide about my controversial winner.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:04

Hold off until we decide. No, no. Give me this. Give me the give me the non-controversial one.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:09

Okay. Number six for me is Carol K as Natalie. Everything I've said before is just like in terms of the best at the best thing, right? It was Carol K.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:18

So Okay. I can't argue with that.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:20

And then to catch us up, number five, we've talked about him as well, Patrick Wayne as Mark Benton.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:27

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:28

Interesting. I really think that was just a tremendous acting versus character. I think tremendous.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:36

So I have James Gregory as Milton Benson as my number four jealous lover. But again, all reasons we've covered. These are all heavy hitters at this point. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:47

I mean, we yeah, nobody's like showing up out of nowhere on this on this part of the ballad. So my number four, funnily enough, the conversation we just had is Fred Grandy. Again, just because I thought he was the best crew member, not gonna argue that point, but the musical, the writing, the episodes, all that stuff. That's why I have Fred Grandy at four.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:07

I have number three, I have Ray Malon, that's Peter Bradbury. Again, he's already won an award tonight's strong performance by Mr. Milan.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:18

Number three, this is where I have James Gregory. Again, was kind of looking for permission to give him best mail, so was kind of sticking him in this spot just in case.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:28

So my number two is Donamichi. Again, his Henry Dobson. I couldn't not nominate him. I know I nominated multiple times, but he was just that good.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:40

A lot of nominations for my cousin. Uncle? I'm not sure. You know, those South Philly, it could be anything. Could be one, it's all of those. Yeah, that's true. Cousin, uncle, uncle, cousin. My number two is Jane Wyman as Sister Patty. Basically, everything I said about nominating her for best female, she was, I thought, the best female effort of the season.

SPEAKER_00 2:04:05

So and my number one, I'm putting the hat on for a reason. Gavin McLeod is Captain Stuving and Marshall Stuving. Season three.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:19

I mean, that's fair, I guess. I didn't think about it that way. So that is a controversial pick. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I knew this. I knew this. So I have a more controversial pick. Oh boy. Do you know when they give out Times Man of the Year? Oh boy. When they give out like Times Man of the Year. Yeah. And sometimes it's like the computer or it's a mirror, like the being or something like that. If you look at this award, the season's most valuable player, or whatever we call it. Isn't the award the olds? Like, isn't that the definitive or it's a crew member? I'm not gonna fight you, although we both threw our flags, which is funny, because this is probably why we could have. Who do you oh no? It's the olds. Like if it was a magazine cover, it would be season of the old.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:22

Oh, I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:24

That's what I'm saying. Oh I don't know if that's a road we want to go down, but I think if you look back at the past winners, when you think back at season one, it's Diane Carroll and Bob Crane. When you think back at season two, it's Sonny Bono. When you think back at the season, are you gonna think season of the olds? And if you are, is that the winner? No, I am not gonna fight that hard because I think Gab McLeod is an excellent choice, but that's my that's my no, I got you know what, and it does make sense.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:54

Is it is it it's outside of the box, but again, this whole season is about is been about one theme. It's been season of the old since the first episode of the season, all the way to the end.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:05

And I just feel like ultimately this is where this is the one award that can really capture that.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:15

Yeah, right. It kind of speaks for the season.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:18

Yeah. So I'm okay going with McLeod if you want to go with an actual person.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:23

Because I do think I think the end look, if we're looking for the most valuable performer, performers this season, it is the season of the olds. It's the Ray Milan, it's the James Gregory, it's the Helen Hayes. It's we don't have enough categories to properly recognize these people.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:38

And I mean, we're we're we're not giving one to Jane Wyman. Like, that's insane. Like, you know, it's like it's it's cheating a little bit, but I feel less bad about giving it out here to a whole group than I would about doing a co.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:53

No, I agree. I agree. Well, it's it's it's a true definition, right? We're not adding anything that wasn't there. Yeah, I say we go with it. All right, makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:04

I appreciate you hearing me out, and I also think that the fact that Stubing already got one miraculously. So, well, two. Captain McLeod's got two tonight. Look at him, Jesus. Arms are full.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:17

Uh, and I would imagine that this award would be really heavy and big.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:21

Well, what an amazing uh night. Oh, especially for all the olds. So all right, let's see if I can remember all these winners because this will make it easier for me when I'm writing these down. Best part-time crew member went to Henry Pollock II as Pierre. Best Kid went to Stephen Manley as Kevin. The Norman Fellaward went to Richard Roundtree as Sleepy Dave Wilbur. The Best Animal rolls over to next season, no winner. Best Horndog went to Lois Hamilton as Hot Tub Angela. Let's see. Best storyline was Spider Sense.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:06

Spider Serenade.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:07

Spider Serenade. Yeah. Uh let's see. Worst storyline went to April's Love. April's Love, thank you very much. Let's see. Most Improved went to Jill St. John, right? Yep. Okay. Let's see. Best Duo went to Lauren Green and Audrey Lindley.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:32

Okay, let's see. Oh my god, this these nominees are so long. Best villain went to Carol K as Natalie. Solid, yeah. Best moment went to Matt in the hot tub. Worst moment went to Julie Getting Alaska three years in a row for Julie. That's so terrible. Let's see. Did I miss one? Friends of Family Award. Friends of Family went to Gab McLeod as Merrill's doing. Let's see. Best musical performance went to Gopher for Mac the Knife. Mac the Knife.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:12

Yeah, not the Nathan Raber.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:15

No, well, and you hate you hate Rex Smith, which is terrible. It's really gonna screw up if we do we're not gonna do Streethawk now because he's not a stubby winner.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:22

Oh, it's not a stubby winner. Damn it.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:25

The worst went to Patrick Wayne as Tom Benton. So back to like two quick awards for Tom Benton there. Right? Or did it go to the Raymolan? Let's see. Next is Best Worst Episodes. Best episode was episode one. That was the Alaska wedding two-parter. Worst episode was the ridiculous not so fast gopher soulmates, all the nonsense with the Hudson brothers. What a mess. Really was.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:07

Really was just an absolute awful episode.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:10

Just absolute mess. Let's see. Best female went to Ellen Hayes.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:17

Best male went to James Gregory. James Gregory, that's right. Yeah. Best crew, best crew member in a shocking upset, Gavin McLeod. And the MVP, the most outstanding performer of season three. That's right. It's the old. The seasons of the old can completes in historic fashion. I don't know that we'll ever I don't know that we'll ever have that again. I'll be curious to see if we ever have that again. That is a because here's the thing. Yeah, I guess the only way you could have it would be like kids, right? Or maybe the crew. Like I don't think. I don't know. To have it as a group, you couldn't have the olds because we would never give it again twice.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:04

No, no, I don't think you I it was heavy. Yeah, who knows? Maybe we get season of the old two.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:10

I don't know if it's I just can't imagine we would go down. I can't imagine it being better, you know, just by comparison.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:16

Like new olds.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:17

Electric Boogaloo, cocoon.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:20

Just what an evening, Mike. What an evening it's been.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:23

What a what a group. What a what an amazing. I don't know that season three was particularly good, but when you do it this way, you kind of find the good in it, and it allows you to kind of enjoy what we did, even though maybe week to week it doesn't feel like we watched a lot of good stuff. You know, we definitely saw some good stuff. Like I don't feel like, except for a couple categories, and certainly not the big ones, I don't feel like we were making up things we enjoyed, right? Like no, no, no. It's not the the last six or seven categories are all Top quality.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:02

Oh, absolutely. And we're watching the show too. I at least when I'm watching it, like I kind of know what I want in my Love Boat episode. So when I am critical, it's just it's just coming from disappointment. I know what I like, and that's what I want. And that's why I'm curious to see how the show changes, if at all, in season four.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:23

Well, it's funny because when we wrapped up last year's Stubbies, we talked about kind of what was accomplished this season and what we wanted. And last season we were pretty happy with that they had finally gotten some continuity and some consistency in character. And that that definitely carried through. The only character I think that is a little inconsistent is Julie, and even there, I think they're getting there, right? They're finding their footing. I hope so. But there's not wild swings like there was in season one. But I also think it was a much lesser cast season. And I also think it was the worst season. I don't know that those are related. But yeah. I think the good was really good here. I don't think there was as much good here as previous seasons.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:17

I agree. I agree. I mean, as always, it it's a journey to see what changes, what doesn't change. Was season three better than season two or season one? No. No. Just if I had to give a flat answer, was it terrible? No. No, it wasn't terrible at all.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:35

Just no, I I think that I think the thing that really hit home for me was when I was going through worst storylines and kind of worst episodes. Right. And there's a stretch between like 11 and 22. Yeah. Where it's there's a couple good ones in there. And I think in my head it was every other, but I don't think it was. And I think there was just a really rough, really rough stretch. And that's where you kind of need like an amazing storyline to kind of pull you out of the fire. Yeah, you gotta have. And I don't know that we had we didn't have a kissing band at this season. Right. No, we did not. You know, like, and so that's okay. And I think this was just a I will be curious, and we'll get into it when we talk about next week's episode. I will be curious to see how much of all of this weird season in some way was related to all the labor stuff going on.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:30

Oh, yeah, that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:32

Like, were people holding stuff back, were jobs not existing or whatever? I'll I'll say this before we get into it. The first five episodes of next season, synopsis and guest stars are stacked. That's all who knows? Who knows? Interesting. But it made me it made me very excited. I wonder if they were just sitting on them. I mean, is it something where people weren't working because depending on when they were filming these versus like, I mean, you know, who knows? Like, I don't know when the strike. I will have more information on our premiere episode about the strike. But the fact that they don't start until late October, maybe people were available that wouldn't normally be available because of the strike. Maybe people needed to work because they had been out of work, you know, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 2:15:23

But I wonder about like contractually how that whole thing works, too. If you're you know you're out of work for CBS, does that mean you can just show up on an ABC show?

SPEAKER_02 2:15:32

Well, it's more about the it's more about the I think it's more about the production company, and you gotta assume spelling is a power player at this point, yeah. Um who knows, like it seems stupid, but maybe that's why we didn't see animals this year. Like, was that gonna be a labor negotiation point? Like, who knows? So, but all in all, as we always say, love doing this. I watched the show just because it's not good doesn't mean we're not good and doesn't like I mean, listen, there have been some slogs this year, like the episode where I had to do scene by scene, good or bad, like that was that was the sign of a man at his wit's end.

SPEAKER_03 2:16:11

Yeah, that was a tough one.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:13

But I I think ultimately I I still like doing it. I get excited about all of it, and I think people get excited about listening, which is which has been a great thing, especially here at the back end. We've had a real surge of of listenership, and we really we really do appreciate all that.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:29

So yeah, well, we did it. Season three is in the books, Mike.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:35

One third of the way done. What a what a ride it's been. And I there are no that I know of significant cast changes now for a while. So I hope not. Jeez, you know, I think we're good till uh Ted McGinley shows up. We have a few seasons for that.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:54

So I'm not looking forward to that.

SPEAKER_02 2:16:56

Do you have something for next week?

SPEAKER_00 2:16:57

Or no, no, I always kind of view this as a standalone, you know what I mean? And we'll kind of get into four.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:05

So here's what I will say. We have in our first five episodes, that's all I looked at. And I looked at it as much for scheduling for us as anything, but in our first five episodes next next season, which by the way, first season four episode drops on April May 18th. You know, get it in before Mother's Day for all you moms out there. That's right. You're the real heroes, moms. The season premiere, which features a little Vic Tabak.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:37

I saw that. I saw that.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:39

A little a little Doris Roberts.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:42

I loved him, Doris Roberts, yeah. As as a crew member. I saw that too. Yeah. Well, good. It'll fill in that slot. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:50

We're already at, we're already ahead. A little Nipsey Russell.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:53

I love him.

SPEAKER_02 2:17:53

And I don't know if you've heard of this guy, a little Tom Hanks.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:58

Big deal. It's a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:00

And then we have a two-parter, which features a lot of mm weddings. And then we have an hour episode that features one of our favorites, little Robert Culp. I love some Robert Culp. And then we have another two-parter. And then we have a 90-minute episode, which was news to me today.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:28

We took this challenge on. It's the price we pay to deliver this much entertainment every October.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:34

They they did us a favor on the 90-minute, and here's all I will say. It's the return of businessman number one. Oh, geez. Well, I'm excited. There are so many characters, like names coming up. I don't know if you remember our good friend Marf Prine will be within the first five episodes. Can't wait. So the beginning of next season is going to be huge. We are very excited to get back to it. But as you said, we should let season three stand alone. It's been a great year. We didn't do a lot of guests this year. That was more scheduling. We will probably try to be a little better about that. But thanks to Amin and Jonas for chipping in on that. We had 30 total episodes this season: 25 Love Boat Proppers, one Stubbies, and four bonus episodes, which we appreciate everybody listening to those. There will be more coming. But as always, if you if there's a bonus episode that is somewhat tangential to what we're doing here, let us know. And if you know where to find BJ and the Bear, please let us know. So kidding. Anyway, we will be back to start season four on Monday, May 18th. But until then, thanks for another successful season. Mike, thank you so much for doing this. This is you. This is your baby, and it has really gone a lot further than I ever expected. So me and you both. Looking forward.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:05

Dumb idea.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:06

I know, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:20:07

Jeez.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:08

Looking forward to season four. We are more than one third of the way done once we start season four, so that is an insane thing. But thanks everybody. Congratulations to all the winners. And hey, it's an honor just to be nominated.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:21

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 2:20:22

But we will see you for the start of season four. And until then, thanks everybody for a wonderful season three.