LBP #78: Hard Truths In Leopard Pajamas

What if Tom Hanks played Scrooge McDuck? Should you date a coworker? How many franks and beans can fit in a duffel bag? Reprise!

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SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome back. Love Boat Project, episode 78. It's the season four premiere, our fourth year of doing this project. I am Mike Robertson, joined as always by Mike Taylor. Mike, how do you feel now that we have entered the second trimester of this project? That's a nice way to put it.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Oh, it's oh, I see what you did there, Mike. Yeah? I see what you did there. Oh, look at that. We didn't get that kind of we didn't get those kind of segues in the first three seasons. Look at this.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

I'd be lying if I said I didn't think of the opening first and then realized it fit into the episode.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

It's like that memento movie. You just did it backwards.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Yeah. Right. It's just Rosh Mons. The interesting way to start in terms of we have had two parters the last two seasons to start. I think there are reasons that we didn't have a two-parter to start this year, but it is it is kind of nice to just dip your toe back in after after all the all the hecticness of the end of the season and the stubbies and all the fanfare after that. It's it was nice just to kind of sail in boat term, you know, into a nice one-hour episode. Look at this, look at this season four fancy. Wait till I start talking about the hecta virus or whatever. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Boy. You know what's funny on this is I last season we kept going back to that season opener, the Alaska cruise, as oh, it's the best episode. I'm curious to see where this episode will end up. You know, what when it's all said and done, is this episode in the top half of the better episodes, or does it is it gonna fall? I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Well, and it's interesting too because I feel like those two parters, even though the one the previous in season two wasn't that great, there is just a grandeur of a two-parter. They tend to have bigger stars and things like that. So you you sometimes maybe get seduced a little bit. Now, listen, let's not pretend we're not gonna get hit in the head with two parters here. We have two of our next three episodes after this one are two partners, and then a 90 minute. So we're gonna get a lot of love boat here in a very short period of time.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

So is there are there is there another two-parter at the end of the, or do they get them all out of the way in the beginning?

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Or do we there's one, it's like the second to last episode of the season is a two-parter as well, which feels like an absolute trap because we're gonna be like trying to wrap this thing up.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Right. That's weird. Why wouldn't you do it as the last episode?

SPEAKER_00 2:39

And I think it's our I think it's our hundredth episode. I think you know that's that seems fitting. There's a lot, there's a lot going on, but we have a lot of time. We have a lot of time before we get to April. Let's start with the first one that we're talking about tonight, which is Lubbo season four, episode one. This is the only time we'll be able to keep track without getting into the nonsense. Next week you'll have one. Right. Next week you'll have all sorts of crazy uh numbers. Sergeant Bull, Friends and Lovers, and Miss Mother. Good titles, I guess. Lazy, but good. Kinda, yeah. Yeah. Synopsis Army buddies reunite with their sergeant Harry, who is having trouble getting over the war, which is why they introduce him to Stewardess Rose. Gopher poses as Julie's uh lover in order to fend off advances from his fraternity brother Rick. Gwen fears that Dennis won't react well to her news about pregnancy. So it's funny. The last two things aren't untrue, but they really kind of hold the story backwards by the synopsis.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

It's making it it's giving Dennis Cole credit where none is due, basically. Will Dennis be disappointed?

SPEAKER_00 4:13

I have a lot to say about that.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

That's really important in the big scheme of things.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

There were a lot of hot button topics in this episode that I was not expecting. And I have a theory why that I will posit later, and it has a little bit to do with the air date. October 25th, 1980. Mike, you might say October 25th. That's pretty late for a season opener. It sure is. About a month and a half late. Yeah, I think last year it was like September 15th. Yep. So you would be right, and we have talked about this in generalizations the last few episodes of season three, but uh I did a little reading up on the 1980 television strike, which ran from July to October of 1980 and caused delays in both production and release of television and movies. The strike itself was only ratified, like the new contract was only ratified like a couple days before this episode aired.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Wait, so you said July to October, right? Right. Well, how far in advance would you think that a writer's strike would affect a new season? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Like, wouldn't those already be sort of Well, I think in a normal well, it's not that they're written is the actors were on strike too. So I see. It wasn't like the heroes when that show lost its right. Yeah, okay. Right. So the way from what I've read, it sounds like, and I think this is an episode that probably fit the bill. Get the impression some shows, some films got some stuff in before the strike. And so I'm going to guess that this one was in the can quick and that those two parters that we're getting maybe will be things that got filmed later on. It's a tight it's a tight turnaround.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Well, it's you bring that I think you make a good point because I know the timing of this was crucial as far as if this was going to serve as a promotional piece for and I'm not trying to skip ahead for somebody in an upcoming show. It's sort of weird how that it would have they would have had to have this in the camp. Maybe it was part of season three. Well, because this didn't feel like a season finale at all.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

And it's it's hard to season over. And and I think the fact is, I think I didn't look ahead to other seasons, but I think the two-parter as your opener is probably a thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Bookend them if it was me, if I was booking it.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

It's gonna be harder for us to judge with Julie's hair. Maybe we need to pay attention to Vicky's age, but it's like I wouldn't be shocked if next week's episode everybody came back a little tanner, or or you know what I mean, like in that was the one that they shot after the strike, or maybe they got them both in the can and they figured the strike just ended. We don't need to roll out the big one just yet and save it for November. So there's a lot of interesting stuff.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

Maybe we maybe we make a note of that to go, okay, which which episode is was actually the you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 7:26

First one post-strike. Yeah. So interesting thing about the strike in general is it really throws the TV lineup into a a bit of a mess. There's some really Bill and Larry. You'll see some interesting programs when we get to what else is on. Ooh, okay. The week before this, which would have been the normal kind of well, not even really, right? I mean still about a month late. But they were doing, I didn't go all the way back, but they did have a two-hour block of Love Boat reruns the Saturday prior. Now that was still technically the strike, even though it was just waiting to get ratified. I wonder what kind of ratings that would do, just a block of reruns. I mean, it's the same thing we always talk about. There's nothing else on. Now, here's the interesting well, here's the interesting thing. So, soap operas and game shows were unaffected by the strike. Well, right? They're different unions. Yeah, but I'm just saying. Yeah. And you'll see when we get to it that they were kind of kind of pulling out some different stops here as terms of what they were putting out there. Key points to the strike. I thought this was very interesting because some of this is exactly what happened a few years ago. First of all, they were looking for a 35% just overall rate. Just uh yeah, you know, and I think they ended up getting like 32%. So that was like, you know, that's a big number. But was that like a cost of living adjustment? And I think it's like the I think it's like the flat rate too for the union. Don't forget it's not about the top people always. It's you know right. The other interesting thing was they were fighting over royalties for home video and cable channels. Because you were just starting to get to the point where I would make a movie and it would be in a you know, a VCR, or it would be on cable, like HBO or whatever, like that, and they had no rules on this, and so they were going for this convoluted thing where it was like they wanted 12% after a certain number of air dates or units sold or things like that. They ended up getting the number way lower, like it was like four percent. So I think the studios kind of won that round because I don't think anybody knew what they were doing, and that's exactly what happened here in like 2008 and all with like DVDs and stuff, and then it's what happened a couple years ago with streaming. Like it it's it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

It's funny. Rem I remember way back when, like, if you god forbid you rented a VHS tape, like a WrestleMania six, who knows, maybe hypothetically, and you just don't bring it back, and then they contact you and then they say, Well, I go, Well, how much is the tape? And they go, Well, it's like a hundred and some odd dollars because of the lost revenue, along with well, so this is like a whole new revenue stream for movie companies, too, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

And having worked at a video store for a few years, we had the book of things you could order, and yeah, if you weren't ordering in bulk, like tapes themselves were very expensive because you were going to get that money back on 30 rentals or whatever, but you know, so it wasn't it it's interesting to see how they tried to cut a piece of that pie out.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Yeah. In the in this emerging, and this is way this is before like make it a blockbuster night. This is just starting now.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Oh, this is literally like the mom and pop the mom and pop place that I worked, yeah. Like it's that kind of place. Yeah. What else is on? Because you can't just go rent a movie like we talked about. No. Yeah, we'll start with the funny one. Okay. NBC. The rare 8 to 11 block. Oh, all one program tonight. Roots? Michael, pack up the covered wagon, watch out for the thin air. Uh-oh. We're going back to Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Oh, centennial.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Let's go. The scream of eagles. So the synopsis I saw had zero plot details. So it just mentioned among the stars were David Jansen, Aidy Griffith et al. Sharon Glass was in it, which I don't remember her being in it when we talked about this time.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

Not no, no time daily.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

So my guess is because when I looked at the week previously, there was another centennial, and it was like, you know, the the winds of can I change or something like that. Winds of autumn. Yeah. So I think they probably just packaged like two of them together, but I think they were going centennial.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

So nothing wrong with that. I'm not mad at it. I still think we might have to.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

It's it's out there if we want to watch one of them, I guess. Back. It's yeah, I guess we can you know what? This feels like a sign. We might have to watch a Centennial now. It's just like you guys have your chance to watch Centennial. No kidding. On ABC, the network we're on now, the lead in to the love boat, and this is kind of what I was talking about as they were kind of trying all sorts of stuff. From eight to nine, Nashville Palace. Nashville Palace.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

I have never heard of this.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Well, we only ran for four four episodes. My guess is it was just a special that they kind of threw together, hosted by Roy Clark. Okay, I don't know. Roy Clark, all right. It's a good lineup. Guests include Barbara Mandrell, Loveboat Alum Catherine Bach, the the Oak Ridge Boys, yeah, and stummy stubby dominee, I think multiple Stubby Dominee, Slim Pickens.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

It's funny that this show lasted twice as long as Little Seamus and Big Sheamus is.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

After La Boat was Fancy Island, it was their season premiere, which again makes me think Spelling had his ducks in a row. He at least knew let's get one let's get one in the can. This week's episode, Mandy Bream sold her soul to the devil in order to save her husband Philip's life, but now it's her life that needs saving. And she hopes Rourke can help. Philip Philip Drummond, perhaps? Oh, we'll get to who Philip is. Tattoo makes Fred Cattle a millionaire. But it might cost him his life.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Okay. Alright.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Let's see. Sarring. Okay. As the millionaire, Winner, Artie Johnson. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Well, that sounds alright. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

I like Artie Johnson. As as the wife, Mandy, the blonde from the moon expert.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Well, it makes sense. It tracks. That tracks, sure. As her husband, Philip.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Adam West.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Wow. I didn't see that coming. And as the devil? Al Pacino.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Roddy McDowell. Look at this. And then that force. That creep Ross Martin ends up in there as well. So he's a good creep, yeah. Yeah, he is a good creep. I thought he was gonna be the devil for a second, but but not so much. That would uh that would attract too. Yeah. We will make our way onto the island at some point. I think that's saves. Yeah, we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll get there. But this was uh I don't really look at the synopsis too much for that.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

I don't either. Do you blah wow? I got excited there. There had tell me there's a love boat fantasy island crossover at some point.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

There has to be I don't think that there is. I I think all the people I think most of the people end up on there, most of our crew ends up on there in guest roles. We certainly have enough reasons to go on there, but I don't think there's a crossover, and I my only guess why is because it's like a magic place. The only magic that takes place is love. Yeah, it's like one of those things, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:37

So I mean they only really do the island is is taking their brand.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

Near as I can tell, the only legit crossover they do when the show is active is the one we watched. Like, I don't know. Well that's wild. I have looked. I haven't like I can't say it's an exhaustive search, but I'm pretty confident that you know that's the that's the only one when the show is active. Alright. Yeah, it does. CBS 8 p.m. Tim Conway show 8 30 to 1030, a movie, a real movie. Not sure if you're familiar with this one, House Calls, which was a 1978 movie starring Warren or Walter Mathal as a widowed doctor who goes from goes from woman to woman before meeting a single woman more age appropriate. So if you want to see a carousing Walter Mathow, this was your this was your film.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Didn't we have the guy from Charlie's Angels play the same role on this boat a couple years ago? Wasn't it the same kind of uh nothing says ladies' man like Walter Mathow.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Well, the fact that they wrote specifically that he met a woman his appropriate age makes me think he was hooking up with young women, which is an even weirder thing to see Walter Mathow.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

Yeah, he just doesn't have a young woman's face, you know? It's a very old school face with Mr. Mathau.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

It's not as weird as the show that came on at 1030. Now, we have had very few things come on at 1030. I think the State of the Union re rebuttal was a good thing. News magazine, maybe. Yeah, but it's like we don't get a lot of 1030s. This thing is called First Time, Second Time. And it's a pilot episode starring Ronnie Cox of Bearley Hills Cop fame as the manager of a think tank where his personal and professional lives collide. Is it like is it drama? Is this is this a comedy? It's a comedy, it doesn't sound like a comedy. Here's the thing all that information I just gave you is all I got because I cannot find the damn thing on IMDb anywhere. I searched high and low. I can't find anything beyond what was in the synopsis of like the TV guy.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Well then you know it's you know it's amazing because only the most amazing things are impossible.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Yeah, I mean, do you know how hard it is? It's like if you just put in first time, there's like three million things that come up. I looked under Ronnie Cox, I can't find anything about this damn shit.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

They're BJ and the bearing us on all this all this footage.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

I don't know what's in for but information is usually available, it's just the actual show itself. What network is this? That was CBS. CBS. Okay. So CBS, the assumed number one network coming in. I will be curious to see how these early what else is on go because I think 1980 was the year that NBC had like all these new shows and then canceled all of them.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Oh, I remember there was quite a few, but I yeah, I remember it didn't go well because ABC still had that Tuesday night lineup.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

And then CBS is like a monster. And then the strike obviously doesn't help. So no. So it'll be interesting to see how that goes. All right, let's get to the credits. We had some curnsings this week. We'll get to those. They love a curzing. But first, the aforementioned our old friend Dennis Cole is back, as all good actors do, playing Dennis. Dennis Grant.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

It was weird. It's just come on. Why couldn't his name be Grant?

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Grant Dennis? Jesus. This is his third and final boat. We of course saw him in our second ever episode as the would-be spy against his real life wife, Jacqueline Smith. And then he was in our season two worst storyline, where he played a dummy. So this year I guess he's like in the middle. I don't know. He was better than he was in the last episode.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Yeah, I I've got some questions about him that we'll get to. Never too early to look at stubby nominees, Mike.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Dennis Cole played Granger in two unaired episodes of Big Sheamus, Little Seamus last season.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

We barely knew you, Little Seamus, Big Seamus.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

More interesting, he appeared in nine fantasy islands. Nine of some Dennis Cole. They do love some Dennis Cole. I mean, yeah. So I'm sure that's part of it. Three boats, nine fantasy islands doesn't seem like a good balance. That's a dozen. So what is that?

SPEAKER_01 20:26

The the spelling dozen?

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Isn't that what that is? That is a spelling dozen. Plus, you marry one of the Charlie's Angels. Well, that's the 13th. Yeah, that's the big that's the Baker's sports spelling. His final episode on Fantasy Island aired in March of 1984, where he played deep sea diver Duke McCall.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Duke McCall's a great was that's like an action figure name. That's awesome. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Yeah, you know who else was in that episode, Mike? Richard Anderson, who you might remember as the one-armed Dr. Art Acres.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Oh, okay. Okay, I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Not Richard Dean Anderson, Richard Anderson. And playing a banker afraid of being replaced by a computer, that would be Governor's Award winner Bert Convy.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Oh I was like Frank Valley. I'm like handling another computer.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

I'm going through that list. I'm like, if there's one more love boat person on here, we were doing this episode. I would just give me one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

That sounds pretty awesome. I mean, Bert Conve. Yeah, any excuse. He's the governor.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Little unheard of actor named Tom Hanks.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, I believe that's how you pronounce it.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Plays Rick Martin. This is his only boat. Yeah, it's and you kind of hinted at it. So this is his second IMDB credited role ever. The next one is Bosom Buddies, which airs like in a month from now.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

It's so crazy that this is his. Second. He was a comedian.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

Yeah. And then if you look, if you look at that IMDB, it is a stretch from bosom buddies to like, I don't know, 2010 of just insanity. Like it's just everything is good. Even if it wasn't good, it's still good because it's Tom Hanks. Like it's just it's a wild list. What a guy. What a guy. I mean yeah. I was I was shocked, although I feel like the more we do stuff like this, the more it does make sense. I was shocked to see that he was in Bozom Buddies only had 37 episodes.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Oh, it felt like so much more. Or maybe was it it just seemed more interesting?

SPEAKER_00 22:43

It's just the reruns, and it's just the reruns. It was just they would run them constantly. Like a funny show. Oh, yeah. But only 37, he's in there for that.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

So wait, so if if we follow the uh chronology here, I wonder how far after Bosom Buddies was Bachelor Party, because that was a big one too for him.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

So Bachelor Party and Bachelor Party and Splash both come out like in 1984 around the same time. So Bosom Buddies runs for two seasons. He does like a few family ties and some stuff like that. He's in that famous family ties where he like steals the booze out of he's like drinking vanilla extract in the kitchen or something like that. He's like fun uncle or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Weird how it happens fast. Well, it's even then people knew he had that thing. Oh, yeah. Like early on, it's just amazing how they can spot it. You know, and then years later, you would what he's gone on to do. It's just amazing to see him at this point of his career.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Well, and it's funny because he's like as dickish a Tom Hanks performance as you'll see. Yeah. But it's it is a little bit closer to his bosom buddies character than than not, right? Like I think so. It's like the mean version of it, but it's definitely him.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

No. And maybe he that is Tom Hanks. Maybe this is his nor I don't know, but he's so endearing that I thought it was extra impactful at the role that he played in this. Because yeah, it was a little meaner than the bosom buddies guy.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

So we said that The Boat was his second credit, Bosom Buddies was his third. Mike, do you know what his first credit was?

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Television credit or film credit?

SPEAKER_00 24:27

That's a film, sir. It's uh the 1980 classic He Knows You're Alone. I have no no. Reluctant, a reluctant bride to be stalked by a serial killer who preys only on brides and the people around them. What? When her friends get whacked one by one, a hard-boiled renegade cop whose wife was whose wife was also killed years earlier sets out to find a man before it's too late.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

Tom Hanks set out to find a man that's too late.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Tom Hanks Hanks is the killer. Neither. Tom Hanks is very far down the credit list, so I think he's just one of the guys who got whacked.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

So he's just like, you know, guy eating sandwich and background four something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

So he knows you're alone.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Put it on your list of greats. It's there. It's credit. Stamp double stamp. Good for you. Uh if he if he if he never if he if he only did wonderful things, then we wouldn't appreciate the wonderful things that he's done. Well, you haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

I haven't seen it. This thing could be great. It could be the Oscar he didn't get.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

That's a great. I mean, what else is on, you know? Something to think about.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

There's no way they even kept that tape, right? It's just like they didn't even say shaped over it for the football game. Darth Roberts as Rose the Stewardess. I love that. Well, you like you like crew members? We were we were we we got more crew members in this episode than we did all last season.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah, I gotta I yeah, I I have something on that here when we get to it.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

First of three boats, she'll be back in season six when she's married to uh stubby winner James Coco. Ooh, that'll be fun. Yeah. And season eight, two hundred and ten episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond. And over 70 episodes, which I guess maybe I knew this, but of Remington Steel, where she played the dogged IRS agent. Really?

SPEAKER_01 26:34

See, I was more of an A-Team guy. Remington Steele came on after A-Team. I think it was more of a bedtime situation for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

I don't know that I ever have seen a Remington Steel, honestly. I know Pierce Rosan was on it. Yeah. That's about all that. And uh our good friend Stephanie Zimbalist was in that, I believe. Right. That was a big show back then.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

I think it's I I was more of a on Saturdays, if I'm watching a program on NBC, it's gonna be Hunter. You know, I was more of a Hunter guy with Officer Dee Dee McCall.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

You know, I'm very excited. I feel like when we get towards like season eight and nine of this thing, yeah, and shows that we used to like. Oh yeah, we're gonna have like 38 what else is on. It's gonna start tearing through.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

There's so many. Well, because there's so much nostalgia. We're really starting to get to that time where like over.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

We're just gonna watch everything. Yeah, there'll be a break between seasons eight and nine. It'll just be nine, it'll be a year and a half of what else was on. Bonus episodes. I have to learn all those remote numerals. Uh Nipsey Russell, Stapper, Dan, Mahoney. That's right. Uh his only boat. He was a real life captain in the U.S. Army during World War II. Very decorated, apparently. Interesting. Interesting. He, of course, played the Tin Man in the Whiz, that was what I knew him from. And then he made several million game show appearances. He was one of those guys in the 70s. He only has 21 IMDB acting credits, which I thought was just like such a small number. I think he played himself a lot.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

Interesting. So yeah, he was always showing up.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

He's a funny guy.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

Yeah. Just feels like the kind of guy that would be on this show a lot. So I guess I'm a little surprised that this is his only boat. It is interesting. Shelly Smith plays Gwen Hutchins, the first of two boats. She'll be back in season nine, Mike. The dreaded season nine.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Oh, the Maxwell Thorne episode.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

Like a no, that's season that's season 10, sir. You gotta get these straight. Season 10 is the is the shorty. So no, season nine. I don't know why we're so worried. She plays a sleepwalking wife of United States Senator Alan Thick.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

You mean of a Canadian? They got a Canadian to play, a U.S. Senator. Called acting. He's like, sorry. Sorry. What's this all about?

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Ricardo. She was a big-time uh print and runaway model back in the 70s. Yeah, definitely. Tall and you know. Yeah. She got her master's in psychology and practiced as a family therapist starting in 1993, and she basically retired from acting. So and interesting, based on the storyline she was in, she was an advocate for fertility options.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Obviously.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

We'll get to that. Jeez.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

So one at a time, ma'am.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Let's do the curnsings first before we get to Mr. Tayback because I gotta quaint us tab here. Please, yeah. Kearnsings for the other two army crew members in an episode where there were only eight people toe-toe. I don't know why you had to curns these two. Let's start with uh let's see, Jack Somak, who played Buzz Presser, Plesser. I think he was the bald one. Was he in a piece? Well, there was a bald one, right? And then the other guy wasn't. Yeah, I don't know. It's weird. It was hard to keep those two separate, which is probably why, you know, they didn't get current they got.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

That's why they put Nipsey between them. Because otherwise you would have never known who we which each guy was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

He got into acting late when he was in his 50s. His big break was he was in the there's an ITP right up of this thing that makes it sound like it's the friggin' like citizen cane of commercials. He was in the Alka Seltzer commercial with the spicy meatball. So he's he's the spicy meatball guy with the Peabody winning.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Oh, that one. Oh, sure. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

Uh he would pass away in 1983 of a heart attack.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Interestingly enough, I don't know if you got this note, he was married to the Needmore Calgon lady.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Harvey Lembeck plays Tom Hawk. Much like Nipsey Russell, he was also in the army in real life in World War II. And much like Buzz there, he died of a heart attack in 1982. Most importantly for us, though, he was the father of Michael Lembeck. Why do I know Michael Lembeck? Disco Joey.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Oh shit. Okay. Like, why does that name why is suddenly a bad taste in my mouth? Disco Joey.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Oh, oh.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Finally, Mr. Vic Tabek is back for his second appearance as Sergeant Harry Beluski. I think he was a Harry last episode as well.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

So we're not even trying. It's better than last time, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:55

Probably, but also maybe probably, but also very similar to last time, where it was like, oh, we're just doing the same thing over and over again, and then eventually let him do something else. Like, so I don't know why he gets those, but yeah, he's he's good. He's good. But they I mean that's a terrible spot.

SPEAKER_01 32:13

This but the role was stupid. Yeah, it was it was just not uh splayed out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Second of six boats. Speaking of the Maxwell Thorne, he will play himself in that series finale.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Vic Taback's gonna play Vic Taback and the Maxwell Thorn really. Yeah, I mean everybody's playing themselves. Crime is growing by the minute. Good lord.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I both can't wait and can definitely wait for that episode.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

And that's the that's the one, right? That's it, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Which, by the way, getting back to that hecca virus or whatever, we're not doing it on boat.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

No, no, we've we've we've we've changed course. I'm doing that on a cruise ship.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

I'm not being taken to Nebraska for quarantine.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

No, we're not going to the Canary Islands, we're not doing any of that crap.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

I'd like to talk about Vic Taback's last film credit. He died in 1990 of a heart attack, so kind of scary that storyline. But his last credit, and Mike, you kind of brought this guy up already earlier, was a let's see, looks like a February 1990 MacGyver. Oh, okay. Okay. Buckle in. I kind of want to watch this too. Oh dude, I love MacGyver. You've probably seen it. You'll remember it if you did. When a jockey refuses to get involved in fixing a horse race, his boss, Mr. Henderson, played by Dictator, wraps him in a stall with a horse, and using a special device that makes the horse go crazy, the horse stomps the jockey to death.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Why did McGuy ever get pulled into this? Like just this is a pretty open and shut case.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Apparently they run a sting to catch him. Because I don't think he like was like, hey, look at my horse crazy device.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

They didn't just arrest the horse. It seems like a really quick episode. Clearly, the horse has killed this guy. Arrest the horse, roll credits. I don't know what. And we get 44 minutes at least of this. Okay. What else is on? Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

I mean, I really want to see. I just I could probably just Google the horse murder thing. I just kind of want to see.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Well, I want to see what McGuy, what's he doing? I need a piece of gum, a plastic.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Well, I don't care about the see, I don't even care about the MacGyver part. I want to see the device because I think it's just that thing that the American girls were using to try and track their plane. Oh, God.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

And then the horse is like, oh, so you're only interested in the device that makes the horse crazy that ends up killing the jockey, not so much whatever shenanigans the MacGyver has to do.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

Plus, you know he's gonna be trapped with the horse and then the thing's gonna go off.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Remember that Christmas movie that remember that Christmas movie we watched at my house where everybody was poor and that horse like bucked the kid? I think it's gonna be that level of acting.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

Oh, that was yeah, that was uh uh before we get Christmas movies.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Yeah before we get on the boat for the first time this season, anything you want to throw in here.

SPEAKER_01 35:21

I do, I do there there's sort of a misnomer when you have military people like they're they're posing as military people on a on a ship or anywhere else. You never ever that's an all caps never ever return refer to anybody with the rank of sergeant as Sarge. It doesn't happen, it's disrespectful to some. It is not a you just don't say those words.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Well, glad you brought that up a little new because I had quite I had I just had general questions like would a sergeant would this relationship exist where the sergeant would basically be you know planning a reunion with three guys or is that is that relationship to upstairs downstairs?

SPEAKER_01 36:09

I mean essentially it's like the he's like their direct supervisor. Yeah. And like it's not like I've had a bunch of jobs in my life, but I'm not I'm not calling up my old shift manager from Quick Check, you know what I mean, from back in the day, going, hey, we should really get together on a cruise.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Well, I heard that they can't get over I heard they can't get over the lunch rush and they keep bringing it up.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

You can't, they can't, and they had a mini taco bell too, and that's a whole nother just a cleanup nightmare. No, this is a weird there there are like reunions for groups, but this was just uh four four people also. Is that a reunion?

SPEAKER_00 36:45

I don't that doesn't feel like a reunion.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

It's not a reunion. No, and that's not even that many people to be in charge of. You know, it's not like I mean maybe unless it was 20 or 17 died, and these are the things.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

I was gonna say maybe it was a terrible maybe it was a terrible unit. Maybe it was that one in the Civil War where they lost everybody except like the one guy.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Maybe that's what this is. They're like, oh, thank God. At least we have each other. Each other. I don't even know why I sound like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

It's a little weird, but well, at least it was a terrible storyline.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Yeah, they I mean it's it's consistent through and through.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

So I can't even at least it just nothing happens for five hours. Nope, nothing. All right, let's start season four. We get on the boat and we got Isaac admonishing Billy, the waiter, make sure he starts circulating those drinks. Let's get those passengers drunk. Easy, Isaac.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Yeah, no kidding.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Does this feel like a good idea walking around with like I guess maybe it does? It feels very it actually feels very cruisy to like I'm trying to get in through the lobby and you're trying to hand me champagne. It actually does feel like a thing, but also like I just imagine a cluster, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Like just what happened on my anniversary. We weren't on a cruise in a hotel and they just kept bringing wine. I mean, it like but still I don't know. But if people are bored, I think it's a bit different.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Right. I have no problem with you plying people with booze, but it's like I'm trying to get in the door. It's like you don't have like you don't have orderbs in the foyer.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

It's like no, you only how many hands do you think I have free here? That's true, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:26

I carry my bags, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

I would like to put a pin on Billy. I will come back to that point. Come back to Billy? Yes, please.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Is this we gonna come back to him in the stubbies? Are we gonna come back to him?

SPEAKER_01 38:39

No, no, no, in in in just a few minutes.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

Isaac then meets Dapper Dan Mahoney. And his army buddies are close behind. They are meeting with up up with their sergeant for a reunion, a 30-year reunion of their unit in Korea. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

30 years in Korea. When was Korea? This is 1950. W W2?

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Wasn't Korea like 50, early 50s? I don't know. I gotta think they got that right. I gotta think they got that right.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

I don't know. I'm looking Korean War years. 1950 to 1953.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

There you go. How dare you doubt the love boat? They have been pretty good with stuff like that. Like that Turkish Civil War was real with Captain Dave. For sure, that was nonsense, too. But yeah, they were they got they had they had the early Google, they had the Gary Collinside. They had the Gary Collins Google machine.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

You mean the Pat Marita? You know Gary Collins is no longer there. Pat Marita's name's all over that machine now.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Uh no, because the lady from Silence of the Lambs bought it. I don't think Pat Marita got it.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

They didn't make it off the boat. I'm just telling you right now, Marita's not letting it. Brother Sony took care of him.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

He's back painting cabins. Him and Artie. And here comes Sarge. And he is very Sargy. Turns out while Sarge was pretty high strung when they were in the army, they assume he's mellowed, but then Tabak comes in and it's just like ten hot and all this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

And um the lightest duffel bag I've ever seen in the history of duffel bags. The way they were throwing that thing around, it was clear it was about a two-pound bag.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

Well, he's got nothing, Mike. He's got nothing. He's got nothing.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Just one just a dog tag.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

He has one set of clothes that he that he wears and then refolds and unfolds again every morning.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

I was hoping he'd have that like blue tuxedo that he always had on in Alice, like his horse blue's one jacket.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Like that's it. Nope.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

We will probably not end up spending a ton of time on the quote unquote details of that stuff, but it's just Tabak yelling a lot of Ten Hut and all that kind of stuff. This freaks Isaac out, where he looks very like tight and tense, and Nipsey Russell comes over and says, at ease, Isaac. So hilarious ensues. Rose the stewardess runs into Stubing and Vicky. Rose is running late because she had car problems, and then we find out that she's coming off vacation. Like, come on, Rose, you gotta be on time today after vacation.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

Come on, you gotta get it together. And not only that, you're four seasons late. You just got here. We've been doing this for years. You just showed up. So we have a record. I would like to put a pin on Rose as well to come back to. I'm building my case.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Okay, well, I would like to say, first of all, this is our first female steward after Fish and Bob Crane and the guy in the blue windbreaker. And I'm gonna also say, I guess now we have blue windbreaker stewards, not the white jackets. I guess. I like the white jacket better, but eminently disappointing. It's just such a downgrade. Unless the ladies wear the blue jackets. Well that's fine, but I I guess we need to see a guy to confirm, but it's trending in the wrong, it's trending in the wrong direction. Yeah. Despite being late, Vicky tells her dad that Rose is her favorite stewardess. I like that Vicky has a Vicki has a big board. What the hell are you talking about, Vicky? This is a episode rap for Vicky.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

No kidding. Yeah, and then that's it for Vicky. She gets one look at the at the dinner, and that's it, and they shut her down.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Yeah. As Rose goes to work, a blonde woman comes over to Stubing and is looking for Doc. And this is actually Vicky's last line where she's like, he's really trained them well. They're looking for him now. So basically, that's a funny line, man. She delivered a funny line. She got her stuff and she got out of there. So turns out this is Gwen Hutchins, and she informs Doc very quickly that she's there for business, not business, which is disappointing for Doc. She is there because her doctor insisted that she coordinate with Mr. Bricker as soon as she got on the ship because she is two months pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

So there's so much going on. There's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

So we we've had a few of these recently, and so I'm gonna A start with giving them points. I do like I do like that they do the thing where your actual doctor wants you to check in with the boat doctor for things. The duty of care. Sure. The old lady with the oxygen at the end of last season was similar. This does make sense. Two months is early, but you never know. You know. So I guess it doesn't hurt.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

I think it's a testament to the service that docs. You know, providing he's taking care of pregnant women. He's rubbing sunscreen on sunburn. If you remember that at the end of last season, which didn't make a whole lot of sense. So at least he's doing something doctorly this season.

SPEAKER_00 44:14

He he does manage to both let her know that she can call on him day or night if she needs anything. And also finds out that there's no Mr. Hutchins. So good job.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

That's a lot of information very quickly.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

He's got everything he needs to know.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Just a couple questions. Number one, uh, is there a Mr. Is that a medical question, Doc? Sure. Yes, yes, it is. Sure. Sure it is. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:43

Uh Gwen walks away, and a man is just shouting monkey at her. Turns out he thought that she was someone else, someone that he went to school with who was always getting in trouble. What when do you think they were going to school that he thought this was quote unquote monkey? Like this feels like a grade school nickname.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

That's a very grade school nickname. That is not a you don't in the teens, you don't call someone monkey. Like, that's just not a move.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

This is a Dennis Cole move, right? He's just like, oh, attractive woman, I'll just do this. Never mind.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

That's a Dennis Grant move, Mike. That's not the same guy. Completely different, not associated with Dennis Cole.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

They don't even bother introducing themselves, but Dennis Cole slash Grant. Grant Cole. It says he hopes to run into them later and then she does some some monkey bits.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Wouldn't she just tell him just like buzz off? Doesn't she have enough on her plate? Clearly, to the point that she she seeks Doc with shoes. She gets on, wouldn't she? Wouldn't you wouldn't a reasonable person be like for a medical reason?

SPEAKER_00 45:55

So that makes sense. Mr. Grant.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

I think Dennis Cole is an attractive man on this boat. I don't know. He seems like a really nice human being. Let's see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 46:06

He definitely seems like someone who makes up his mind immediately. Oh, yeah. Not one to labor decisions.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

And if I have to think about something, I'll go all the way into Mexico and come back after thinking about it all day. And I might change my mind. I might not.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

No, don't ruin it. Don't ruin an appearance from our favorite, our favorite airport. Oh, that's true. Gopher and Julie are checking in passengers, and Gopher spots Rick Martin, his old college fraternity brother. Son of a bitch. Rick is thrilled, I guess, to see Gopher, but he's really just thrilled to see strikeout Smith. Because you see, Mike, Gopher used to get stood up more than anybody in college. Poor Gopher. Yeah, they're not so nice. But I will say it does kind of make sense that Gopher was just like constantly treated like crap in school.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

I just thought it was funny that Gopher was standing next to Julie and he was trying to like hide by like I would like he's on your cruise ship, Gopher.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

Like, come on, man. This is a bit of continuity that would never exist, but I would like that if every time something like that happens, Gopher would hide and like kneel down behind Julie, and then Tom Hanks would do the your shoes untied bit. How they got the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. I just wish that was their thing every time somebody tried to hide.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

Or do the thing like John Candy from Splash, he just dropped loose change. I don't know if Tom Hanks would be good for that or not.

SPEAKER_00 47:45

Rick is kind of like laying into Gopher by talking to Julie about how much of a loser he was. But he's like, Oh, I'm sure things are have changed for you now. And gopher panics, basically. I think it's a panic move. And he basically says, Oh, yeah, I'm I'm with this lady. I'm with Julie. And Julie, you know, takes it in stride, and she says, Oh, I'm sure Gopher will explain all of this later. And you know, Tom Hanks walks away. We find out, you know, all the things that we said that Gopher was always in Rick's shadow in school and sports and love, and he didn't want to deal with that. So Julie's gonna play along for the trip.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

Well, there's a reason that Rick Martin hasn't had cast such a large shadow, and and we'll get into that here. The the numbers don't lie, Mike, is what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Yeah, they really drop that in like as a drive-by. But we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

I kept track of all that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

There's a lot happening.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

Like they say that and expect and not expect me to go off the deep end with researching exactly what it was.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Well, not just that, but they say it at dinner in passing, and then that's it.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

But it doesn't even define anything.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

No, it never comes back up. His situation never yeah. How much what before we go further, and I you haven't brought it up yet, which I think is a good thing. Don't get in specifics. I just want a simple yes or no. Sure. Did you like the Julie Gopher storyline? No. Okay. I thought that was going to be your answer. I will say yes, and we will discuss it. I thought that was gonna be your answer, but the fact that you hadn't said anything yet made me wonder. So yeah. I didn't think you would.

SPEAKER_02 49:39

I'm trying, I'm sure we'll get it about it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

We'll we'll get to it. I I'm not surprised we're on different sides of that. I just wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

I just like to separate things. You know what I mean? Like, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Am I allowed to call him Sarge? I have Sarge in the notes. Yeah, you're you're good, you're fine.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

But like I mean, if he was here, I he would probably tell you not to do it.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

I didn't want to write Sergeant Harry Beluski all the time. No, no. And you're trying to be respectful. That's played by Vic Tabek. Yeah. Here we go. Sarge is leading the guys down the hallway in a march. Sure. This guy sucks. Let me just tell you.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

Sergeant Harry Beluski is no fun at all.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

This is why all those guys got killed in Korea.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

That's why, yeah, 17 of them never showed up for this cruise. I was in charge of hundreds of men. Yeah, three showed up, dude.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

So loud, the other guys are just gonna hear them comments.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Imagine they're on the ship. The other guys are on the ship. They're just like, hmm. X nay on the Beluski, eh? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:39

They walk by Rose and Stubing, Stubing fills in Rose, letting her know that she is in fact number one on Vicky's big board of stewardesses.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

That's nice.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

Rose tells Stubing that she's her that he's her favorite captain on the boat. And we get a classic, probably the first womp womp of the season. Yeah, it was a good womp womp, though. You can't go wrong with that. On the Lido deck, Doc tracks down Gwen and she's checking in on her and the baby. Easy guy. You know, if if Gwen looked like Vic Taback, he wouldn't be so persistent with his checkups.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

I'm glad that you brought this up, Mike. I'm now ready to go back to my pins.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Something odd is happening this season, Mike. And I'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Wait, we're five minutes into the season.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

You've already decided. We're nine minutes and three seconds into this season. Mike, it's clear at this point that they've been listening to our show. Who they have been listening to our show, and we are currently being Truman showed. Why do you say that? I'll tell you why I say that. Number one, multiple part-time crew members already in the first season of first episode of season four. This was a tough category.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

First acting.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

First act, we got two. We need three more out of the next 20-some episodes. Second thing. What is she drinking? What is Gwen drinking? Don't tell me that's a nice tall glass of poolside milk, Mike. It is.

SPEAKER_00 52:17

He's pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

That's also the name of Love Boat Project number 30. I'm just saying. Somebody's listening. Something weird's happening. UFOs, disclosure dates. I don't know what's happening.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

What a tremendous use of a time machine it would be.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

Marty Easter. Marty. So let's just see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

I'm not mention it. That really puts everything into play, I guess. It's early.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Um not messing around.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

Gwen apologizes to Doc if she came off a little flip about being pregnant and single. Doc said it did, which I thought was odd. Yeah, that's true. I don't think he meant it in a way, but he was just kind of like, yeah, you know, maybe, maybe I noticed that or whatever. But let's have a seat and get into what I'm going to call a miniature episode of Brick Hurts.

SPEAKER_01 53:19

Nothing wrong with that. So Doc asks it's a novella. Yeah.

unknown 53:24

Yeah, Doc.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Doc asks if there's any chance that her and the father might get back together. And you know, listen, Charlie question. Charlie was a great guy, but as soon as she found out she was pregnant, he was out of there. And I'm thinking in my head, Mike, now you have kids, I have a kid, so I'm at least a little familiar with how all this goes. So two months, she's two months pregnant, which really mean they've known for like three weeks.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Two weeks, maybe. Maybe a week. Yeah. Maybe three, four days, sure.

SPEAKER_00 54:04

So like I did like is Charlie like looking over her shoulder at the pregnancy test, and then he is just out of there. I feel like Charlie was looking for a reason to go. This this was a great relationship.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

Right? The doctor would probably talk to the man. God only knows. I mean, she just what two months seems awfully early.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Back then. I don't even know what like a did a home pregnancy test exist. I don't know. Like, I mean, we really should we really should have had a female one for this, but like you're late, right? So that takes a few weeks. Like just think.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

Yeah, there's just well, it seems awfully early for her to have to like notify the doctor on board a cruise ship. Then maybe you shouldn't go on a cruise ship if you have to notify a doctor.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

I mean, my wife flew on a my wife flew on a plane like eight months pregnant. Like, I think that that part's fine. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 54:59

Yeah, well, I mean Yeah, they gotta make it work too.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

So after after Doc kind of is assured that the husband's not coming back, he takes a beat and he says, I assume that your doctor has discussed alternative options. And I I I I I was just thinking, I was like, wow, that's a that was quick, dude. That was a heavy, heavy-handed a little bit, but also like, okay, I get it, and they're gonna just kind of move past that or whatever. Gwen's like, oh, I'm not getting an abortion. And I was I just we've had this happen before, and it's not like I just wasn't expecting him to say it.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

No, not 1980.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

And and I I know it's obviously, you know, Roe v. Wade is like 1972, right? So it's obviously like a hot issue or whatever, but it was just very like out there. It was very, very blatant conversation. I just wasn't expecting it.

SPEAKER_01 55:57

I thought it was weird that they brought it up, and then we're gonna we're gonna go down a similar path later. Like I was surprised they did it twice. You know what I mean? Like, not it wasn't the same thing, but this made like I don't think you needed this doc to say that.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Like this was a it was weird, man. This was an abortion storyline, in a way. Like this was at least a partial choice, pro-choice storyline. Which I just wasn't expecting on the love boat. No.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

Well, no, because now that that story just is deep.

SPEAKER_00 56:33

Right, which it really isn't.

SPEAKER_02 56:35

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

That's what's so weird, because now I'm just stuck like well. All right. Oh, we'll get to it. It's just a weird see. Now I'm just thinking deeply about it, and I'm like, well Oh, well, I I'm gonna get a little deeper in a second.

SPEAKER_00 56:50

So it yeah. So, you know, she she she basically is like, I'm against it. That's my choice. Right. I feel like I've made one mistake, I don't want to make two, which was a interesting way of putting it. I mean, she was in a relationship to say she made a mistake made it seem like she was beating herself up a little bit. Sound like it was Charlie's problem more than hers, but but anyway. And you know, the good thing is, you know, she had a loving family and she wants to pass that on, so everything will be fine.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

So yeah, everything'll be good. It'll be good. And it's funny, there were no like deeper questions like, you know, how does your family feel? Like, what are you nothing? Just Stacy, I'm sorry, Gwen Hutchins is still a complete mystery, other than the fact that she's pregnant and she's attracted to guys named Dennis. That's the only thing I know about her.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

Yeah, so basically, the long story short, much like Madonna six years later, she'll be keeping the baby.

unknown 57:48

Don't preach.

SPEAKER_00 57:50

As Doc leaves, a shirtless Dennis Grant shows up, and guess what, Mike? He's got a prop. He's got a prop. And what prop, Mike, could you possibly have for somebody that you called monkey in the hallway?

SPEAKER_01 58:06

I mean, the only there's only one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

You know. And and then, you know, Gwen's like, right, so it's bananas, and Ben's like, or Gwen's like, oh, thanks a bunch, and wh-whang. Like, which a lot of a lot of a lot of womp womp. Again, I guess they're going for like, okay, we have this heavy part, we're gonna cut the tension with this made it weird, like ridiculous thing, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

But I was just thinking, I was like, damn, Dennis Grant, you're really trying to get a lot of mileage out of that stupid comment or slash joke that you made. I mean, we see where'd you get the bananas? In like you I thought you could get single bananas at a buffet, but a bunch, is that is that is that gift shop? Are those gift shop bananas? Like, where are you buying a bunch of them?

SPEAKER_00 58:48

Maybe he just snuck behind, like I assumed. He brought them with him.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

Yeah, took him at a sergeant, Sergeant Harry Beluski's bag.

SPEAKER_00 58:56

That's all he had was bananas.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

That's all he has bananas and a in a and a one undershirt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

God. Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

So I know I know I'm doing something if I cause you to lose your lose your place.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Oh, God. Well, yeah, it's all this, it's all this army nonsense that I just kind of shortcut. So it's exhausting. The army crew is over at Isaac's bar. They're drinking, they're drinking a lot, it sounds like, to the point where Isaac's like, you want another round or whatever? Nipsey Russell tries to talk about his family. He's got four kids, two and two, and immediately Mel's like, Ah, I can't wait for those kids to get in the army. They're gonna it's just it's just so much of that. Yeah. And Nipsey Russell does some jokes about if you like green, the army's great. The uniform and the food.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

A little walka walka, another slightly smaller.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

A lot of it, a lot of it. Rick is talking to Gopher, and he's asking if he gets tired of being tied down with the old ball and chain, Julie. Gopher's like, I got tired of that girl in every port life, and you know. And Julie comes over. Julie's playing the part, you gotta give her that. Calls him Pumpkin, I think, at one point. And asks if they can sneak off and get some get some sun before bingo.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

Let me Mike, let me ask you here. What you said before that you were okay with these two.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:27

I like this storyline and all that came with it. But I understand where you're going to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

I'm just curious at what point did you like the possibility of those two maybe?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

Oh, I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:41

You didn't. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:42

I didn't. I I without getting too far ahead. Right. At this point, I thought it was just what it is, right? A TV plot.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:51

Oh, at this point I'm fine with it. Right. Nothing. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

At this point I'm fine. And then things happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:57

And I I was like, well, how are they gonna get out of this one? And I thought they got out of it very well. And I think that's where I'm at. Plus, I think I have something that I will carry through the rest of the series as well. So interesting. Yeah. And again, this could just be a a way that me and you look at things as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:15

So I just I just simply thought in in the world of possibilities. I just thought it was a it was a little much, the first episode of the season to kind of go down this route.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:26

Or is it just another mile marker in the intricate love story of Julie McCoy? This might be the most well-crafted plot ever. Hard pass.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:41

Yeah, because I mean they somebody got a little ahead of themselves, and so but yeah, we'll we'll we'll yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:48

The canoodling or whatever works to fool Rick, but it also works to fool Stubing who sees them and is very confused as we go to our first commercial break of the seasons.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:59

Not a lot of heavy lifting this week by Stubing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:03

No, no, which which, and again, it's like if we have a couple two-parters, you know, you know he's gonna have he's gonna have plenty. He's gonna have plenty to two. Plus, he's tired from all that's those stubbies that he had to carry off the stage a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

Well, and plus none of these stories really are these are okay, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

These are a B and two C's, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

You know, like so, and that's probably being generous. What's the worst storyline here? Oh, the army ones. I mean, yeah, the especially the front half of the army one. Like, I know they had to do some of that to get to the back, but I thought the back was awful too. I just thought it was just the it was much worse the second time around. Say that. So just a yeah. I'm just never gonna like the ones where they do the same beat like seven times. The only time that has ever worked is the Jim Neighbors thing. Yeah. No, that's a good point. And they then they knew they could do that, and that was 75 episodes ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

So it's a lot of the same. Because I mean, and and it's no disrespect to Mr. Taback, but I feel like he's just playing Vic Tabach in this episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

Well, you know, whoever that whoever that is. No, listen, I didn't hate it, and part of that is because I like the people and they kept it to a minimum. There were a lot of quick acts. Like there were a lot of quick acts. Which is fine if if it's gonna be like this, make it quick. Right. They didn't linger. No. But it I just hate the things where it's like we we got five of these, you know, we're at every every one of these is gonna be the same bit. I don't, I just don't waste my time. You could have wrapped it up. Or done or you could have wrapped it up quickly. You could have fleshed out the other guys a little more and gotten you could have gotten to the same part, yeah, but no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

Yeah, I agree. I agree. Because at the end, it doesn't it's not like Sarge's relationship with you know the other three soldiers was improved in any way as a result of this.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:16

All right, Act Two, Rick is having dinner with Julie and Gopher. We find out that Rick is a person who is early retired. And like, how did he achieve the ability to retire early?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

Well, there's a little vagary, but we do know that he he got in when gold was forty dollars an ounce. Well, to as of today, like today today, as of noon today, an ounce of gold is worth four thousand seven hundred and thirty-three dollars.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

So he's well gold was forty an ounce in 1970 to 71 when the US dollar was officially detached from a fixed gold price. So basically, Nixon ended the gold to dollar convertibility, and gold was low. So apparently Rick Martin bought an undetermined amount of ounces of gold. He didn't see it's not like he goes, I bought 20 ounces at 40. He goes, I bought gold when it was 40 an ounce, so I don't know if he bought like$1.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:30

He bought he bought like Scrooge McDuck's wall.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

Yeah, he's just got coins everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

So it no one really knows how much he has, but I mean he I I mean enough to retire, and he's gopher's age, so he's what 32? Like that's that's a lot of gold.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:51

That's a lot of gold. I do think he's swimming in coins at home.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:55

Good for Rick.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

Good for him.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

He's also got a handful of Julie's legs. And women are all over him, too. Well, I mean, like he says, it's like I get the impression that Rick makes sure that everybody knows how rich he is.

unknown 1:06:10

You know?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Oh, well, he he goes by gold coin, gold coin Rick. You know, he just slips you a gold coin, like instead of tipping. He should have had coins billowing out of his jacket. Or just chinging when he walks.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

Or like if somebody hit his hat and a coin came out. He really just should have been screwed.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

A little bag on his waist of the coins. It would have been great.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:33

When he starts kind of making moves on Julie, then we get a little more demonstrative Julie and Gopher. Yeah. Pretty funny thing. Stubing and Doc are having dinner across the way. And Stubing's like, Gopher seems to be having a good time there. Who's the clinging vine? Which I thought was just a great line. And Doc's like, Julie.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

So that's when Vicky, that was Vicky's last appearance, too, as she was like making eyes at what was going on.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:00

Yeah. Yeah, like I like that this is shocking to Vicky now, all the stuff she saw last season. Stooping mentions that he likes a friendly crew, but this is ridiculous. Uh let's see. Dennis and Gwen are having dinner, and man, Dennis can't shut up about Dennis. Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:22

Nobody loves Dennis more than Dennis.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:26

Luckily, we find we find out that he's in home mortgages and she's in real estate, so they're related, Mike. Well, look at that. But hey, it's a tough time for both industries because the interest rates are high. Hey, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

Just go buy a bunch of gold like Rick. You'll be alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

Gold prices, high interest rates. Later we talk about the price of gasoline, abortion. Would you be surprised to know that in 10 days there's a presidential election?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:57

And the Reagan era would begin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

It just felt very intentional. Maybe I'm just reading into it, but it just felt like sign of the times, maybe. It just felt like uh we are very confident that Stu or uh Aaron Spelling is a Reagan man based on the fact that he's had all his children on the show so far.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:19

I'm surprised he didn't uh mention like the hostage situation in Iran, too. Like try to get that in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:25

There's still time. Well, I guess I guess they couldn't because they didn't know when this was gonna air. That was the only problem. That's true. That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

But I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:35

Yeah, I thought this was where I thought about it. It was like the abortion thing was one thing, but then when they talked about high interest rates, I was like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:43

I feel like it's that that law and order, like ripped from the headlines.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:47

It just feels yeah, it just feels like it's uh like Sinclair News made this episode or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:53

That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:56

So yeah, they at least can can talk about the the buying a house. That's their whole thing. The army guys are having dinner and enjoying themselves, imagine that. So they are having a good time at some point. Like that is at least good, right? They're not just miserable the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:15

So you understand until Beluski goes an extra, you know, a little extra and kind of screws it up, sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:21

Well, listen, I'm glad you guys are all having fun. But Sarge has, you know, made a lot of plans, a lot of surprises for this trip. And here comes the first one, Mike. They're bringing out their dinners on army trays. Hilarious. That's good.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:35

Well, they said it was like lob three lobsters and beans and francs or whatever. That was so sad. Those are menu options.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:44

That is the saddest part of the episode is that you know he specifically requested because that's the only thing he's ever eaten. That's all he eats. Right. Franks and beans. That was very sad. So, in addition to all the things I just listed, we're also dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

He's got the worst table manners, like that kid in the flamingo kid. Remember he ate and he would go, um, mmm, mmm, mmm. Something tells me he eats at home a lot and he and he holds his fork like this, like it's just no matters.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:16

All right. Dance floor time. We get a quickie of Dennis and Gwen dancing. Gwen just kind of says that she's holding on. She didn't say she was dancing for two or anything. Missed missed opportunity, Mike. Jeez. Yep. No, she left a lot of opportunities on the table, to be honest with you. There's so many opportunities for her to say something. Sure. Gopher and Julie are dancing. This is where Julie tells Gopher about Rick's grabby hands. You know, with a creep like that on the boat, she's kind of happy to have a steady boyfriend. And, you know, he's still joking, but a little less jokey. But still, it just feels like it's joking. Here comes Rick to cut in. Julie allows it. I know we always have the cut-in off.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

This goes against everything we know about the cut-in. You can't just you can't do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:10

Well, Julie allows it. She does say okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:13

But is it up to her or is it up to Gopher to accept?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:16

Well, ultimately it's up to her. Gopher is the is the lesser in the gopher rick relationship, so he's going to cower, I would imagine. But if Julie had said no, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:31

But I just wonder, so you're dancing with your wife, and a who says when somebody says may it may I cut in, who who gives the okay? Ultimately, I think it's the wife. Is it? Or is it the guy going sure? But then that's kind of weird because it's like well, you can't say sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:49

You can't say sure if the wife doesn't want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

Right. But if the wife says sure and the guy's not about it, I'd say what's it that's a sticky situation right there, Mike.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:58

They're also not married. Rick also doesn't give two craps about what gopher thinks, and he just assumes Julie will be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:04

He knows he can walk all over Gopher anyway. The only person who's not letting him walk over Gopher is Julie, because Gopher let it happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:12

He should have given him some gold. Can I cut in with some gold?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:17

She would have forgotten about gopher if he gave her a couple of looms.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:21

She was aware. Julie, we've talked about this. See the coins. We have talked about this. The one thing with Julie and all the foibles in her romances. Julie's got her own money. She never cares about money. Ever. None of these guys she's ever gone after were about money. Not yet, at least. Not yet. I'm sure we'll get to that. Yeah, but that's a that's Alaska rich. I mean, what is what does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:49

The exchange rate. You know what's funny is speaking of Alaska, the other day somebody said, Hey, um, I'm gonna be taking some time off work. I'm going to Alaska. And I go, Really? Interesting, because I don't do a podcast about the love boat and have looked at Alaska at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:09

Yes, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

This person is going to the town in which the wedding happened in Alaska for on a cruise. And I you don't know how much I was biting my tongue. I was gonna say, you there's no way you said anything, but I told her to look for Mark, and she goes, Who? I go, you'll know. He's the guy running. Running. Anyway, yeah. Julie Julie kinda I like that she stood up for him. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:39

Yeah, yeah. Gopher Gopher starts getting the business verbally via Rick, and Julie isn't having it and tells him to buzz off, and she walks off. Rick kind of sulks out. And gopher admits that things are going better even than he expected with this plan.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:54

So if Rick was eight years older, is Julie still walking away? I'm just saying. If he's more in her wheelhouse, I don't think this is happening.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:03

I really know I gotta think she's anti a little bit of that curly hair. That's a chanot. I think the hair is definitely too much. Yeah, that's not helping. Plus, gold isn't isn't Alaska famous for their gold rushes. Alaska famous for their gold.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:18

She's like, I don't want anything to do with gold, Alaska, or anyone that even resembles Ron Perlman. I want nothing to do with him.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:27

All right. Gwen and Dennis are on the deck. And Mike, I think they're both head over heels for each other. Well here's the thing, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:37

We'll find out in a minute. You know what Dennis Grant likes? Old-fashioned morals.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:43

Exactly. Oh, it's like a slow-motion car crash. Like it's just one tumbleweed that goes around through the ocean. I understand why Gwen didn't want to say it here, but she does at least.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:04

You know what I like? Not pregnant women's. What's your type? Single, childless, and not currently pregnant. That's what Dennis out. Dennis.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

Gwen is aware that she should say something, but doesn't say something. But she at least starts to like grease the skids for saying something.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

Doesn't that rank higher than being straight up with Mr. Grant? Is saying, Hold up. Like, this is going far enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:32

This is see, this is where, and again, it's 1980, right? Like we always ju we always joke where it was like no no woman in our friend group ever had to tell anybody they were pregnant because we knew because you weren't drinking. Yeah. Right? So but I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means in 1980. You know, I don't know if that was milk or a Kahlua that she was drinking by the pool. The conversation probably isn't a nighttime conversation, but like is Dennis Grant trying to make moves? Like they didn't go back to her cabin. I guess that would have been another way to find out, you know, so yeah, but would it have? Well, she's got all those name baby name books in her cabin. That's how he would know. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:18

And that don't you have that brush? He's got that baby spoon. That was a baby spoon in there. That's right. I thought it was a brush. Julie hands her baby spoon.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:27

What? She's got the pregnancy pillow in there. He's just all there.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:32

Just crib. The cribs being assembled. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:36

Dennis is like, listen, it's I can't wait to hear about everything about you, but let's do that tomorrow. Early dinner, I'll take you around Mazaslan. What better way to spend a day? Sounds like a cruise regular to me, Mike. He's got it all. He's got some moves. He definitely has some moves. Alright, the army guys are doing some singing, but Sarge is like, no, how about some none of this mushy stuff? More army songs, and we get a rousing Vic Taback rendition of Over There. See you with the stubbies.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

See you with the Stubbies Vicks. Well, it's only and it's the it's only the first time he's gonna sing it this episode, too. There's a reprise later. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:22

Gopher and Julie are on the deck. Oh no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, Julie. Gopher is thanking Julie for you know helping out with this devious plan, and she hope or he hopes that it hasn't been too weird or too hard for her. When he spots Rick, though, he goes in for a smooch as to throw Rick off the scent. And you know, we get that we get that smooch that kind of is a fake smooch and it kind of lingers for a little bit and Rick walks off. But then they we go back for a second. We go back for another reprise, Mike. Another reprise, smooch reprise. Yeah, and and this and the smooch reprise. That seems to hit that seems to hit a little bit. In fact, gopher just tells Joey that she's terrific and he runs off, and we get kind of a stunned look from Julie. She doesn't know what the hell's going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:17

Usually she's the one running off. Well, she's a little surprised. She doesn't know what to do because Fred Grandy doesn't have an upper lip. He has a very small upper lip. She's like, that was the weirdest. Was that a half kiss? Was it a full? That's all I have. That's all my love you, Fred Grandy. Uh, I didn't I don't have anything else here. I just said I was uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:39

This is. I am pretty sure this is Julie's first kiss since the end of season two. Since Chanot? Well, no, there were kisses after Chanot. Oh, they did kiss at Alaska. That's right. So, yeah, this is the first kiss since the season opener of last season. He kissed her before he kissed. He kissed her ass goodbye. Wait, before you go, like, no. He did kiss her for a while. That's true. I forgot about that one. Yeah, that was appropriate. Come and she's like, oh. Yeah, you don't kiss me like you're married to somebody else. Act three. Gopher frantically knocks on Isaac's door at 4 a.m. to fill him in on what's going on and get some advice. This is a great scene. I love these leopard BJs. I thought this rang very true of the relationship we've seen between the two of them, right? I like it. I like I like that he went to him. He went to him. He went to him in a way where he didn't really have the thoughts fully formed. I agree with your earlier comment that Gopher clearly jumps the gun a little bit here. Um but you know, it's 4 a.m. You're not making the wisest decisions at 4 a.m. and you're, you know, who knows? I mean or date a little more. I mean, well, listen.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:06

I'm just saying it's w as some leap that he's about to make is a borderline psycho move.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:12

But it's getting reciprocated. It would have been more psycho if he had gone forward before she kind of Oh, but that to me, that she's not the measuring stick based on the things that have happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:26

You know what I mean? I feel like he should have been the bigger person to be like, oh geez.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:33

Have you ever damaged goods, but like you dated friends like that you've known for a long time? It's a weird, yeah, it's a weird it it always has some level of you know too much, right? Like you know too much history, that's kind of the point, you know, so but I think Yeah. I think the only thing I would say is it felt a little sudden just in terms of there had never been anything between the two of them. Right, right. But also because of the fact that it kind of came and went pretty quickly. Like, I guess if they had had some drinks, that really would have covered a lot of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:22

But there is that Pirates Cove scene later after they sort of talked it out.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:26

Yeah. Oh, I don't know. My where this ends, I think is more interesting than anything, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:34

But you know, I think I've I've always been that person, no, I haven't always, but I've always tried to separate work life from regular life.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:45

Right, like my work friends, I'm not hanging out with my work friends and my friend friends at the same time. Like those pat those those streams.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:51

You can't mix worlds if it's very complicated.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:54

You know, and I don't want nothing to and the thing is I'm not the same, you know what I mean? And I played a character my work people to know, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:03

But this is I have done, yeah, I have done all the mistakes. I have dated friends, I have dated people at work, I've done all the things, and you know, it goes about the way. This this almost feels like, and again, this is why maybe if they had had a couple drinks, it would have been a little easier for me to understand. Sure. But this is essentially a work happy hour where you hook up, and then by the time you get back to Monday, you're like, uh, that was weird, but we won't worry about that anymore. And that's the end of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:30

In the back of your head, you're like, well, I wonder if that'll ever happen again or if that was just a thing. You know what I mean? So maybe are you thinking that's kind of where this leaves us to as far as like we're not closing the door, we're not keeping we're just gonna kind of see.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:44

Yeah, we'll we'll talk about when we get to it. But yes, I I definitely have thoughts there. Long story short, Isaac is like, listen, kind of what we're saying. Like, sometimes the one you're looking for has been under your nose the whole time. It's not crazy. That's right. And I think that's all Gopher was kind of looking for, was just confirmation he's not being way out of bounds. And they didn't they didn't rag on Julie. They didn't rag on Julie here either, which is probably something I was a little worried about, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:09

So I'm just surprised. I thought maybe, and it just occurred to me, I'm surprised Isaac didn't discourage it.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:16

Well, he kind of had that thought after the fact. Yeah, that's true. That's true. It's also 4 a.m. and he just woke up, and this is all new information. And he's wearing leopard pajamas. You can't give hard, you can't give hard truths in leopards, leopard pajamas are. All right, now it's 6 a.m. We get another bang on the door, but this time it's the army guys' door. They're hung over, and it's Sarge with a fucking bugle. This guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:46

What an amazing ADR job on the bugle. How many musical performances is this guy gonna have in one episode? I mean, geez. As of right now, he's he's multiple stubby nominee for the same category.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:01

I just love the idea of Vic Taback winning best music musical performance.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:06

The winner is Vic Tabach doing Revelie. Sort of doing Revelie over there from the shower.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:14

I would I would like to see an episode in a couple weeks that takes place exactly during this episode, but it's just the person down the hallway that's woken up at 6 a.m. by a bugle. These jerks. Oh my god. So this is just like this is a bridge too far. This is this guy's nuts. So this guy does have problems. This is a and he's on vacation. Yeah, this is vacation now. You packed your bugle, man. That's what's in the bag.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:45

That's it. Dog bugle tags t-shirt, dog tags, and then what was the other thing? Oh, uh Franks and Beans. It's stuff with Franks and beans. Yeah, this guy doesn't have to. You gotta chill out, man. This guy you gotta cut come back from the war, Sergeant Harry Beluski. Come on, buddy.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:07

Gopher chases well, to be fair, his whole his whole platoon died on his watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:14

17 of 20, sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:16

Poor guy. Gopher is chasing Stubing down the hallway. He's got questions, but he kind of hides it in the fact that he read an article about marriage rates. Stubing follows up with an article that he read about higher gasoline prices, Mike. Probably another political issue.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:34

Unbelievable. They were really.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:38

Gopher finally admits that he just kind of wants to know if there's any rule from the princess line about marrying a coworker. Stubing says, no. In fact, I once attended the marriage of a stewardess and a young pastry chef. You could say they were rolling in dough.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:57

Which be pastry related jokes. Get them out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:02

He laughs so hard. It is so funny. He loves it so much. It was so funny. Also, Merrill, did you just watch episode, I want to say, 17 or 18, the Bobby Adidas one, where they literally say we're rolling in dough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:18

Recycled jokes. Come on. In my defense, it was like two and a half years ago. Like, all right, that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:28

Burl kind of hides it and lies and says that he just wants to learn as much as he can about ship rules because he is the assistant purser. And Stubing is busy laughing at his dough joke. Just loves it. Alright. Gwen shows up late for this breakfast plan with Dennis. She was a little queasy. She could hit that a little harder, I guess. I guess Dennis isn't even thinking about this, right? Because she's such an old-fashioned girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:55

Dennis wants to hear. And he doesn't want to hear pregnant or morning sickness. He's just goal-oriented.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:02

So this is actually the Gwen's egregious era here. So Dennis assumes that she's a little seasick, and don't worry, you'll get your legs under you. And she doesn't say anything. This is like, dude, say it here. It's breakfast. Now is the time. It's days. There's your in. Like she put it right on the platter for you, but she doesn't. And somehow this ends up with him heading to the purse's office so he can make plans for that early dinner and trip around Mazzalon. Wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:31

Well, she's he's gonna know she's pregnant when she's all she wants to do is eat ice cream and pickles in Mazzalon.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:38

She really wants to go to that Raymond Burr restaurant with no liquor.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:42

Oh, that fit personal planet. Yeah. Yeah, Dennis Grant's not going to that fucking place, though, Mike. I guarantee you. Virgin margaritas? No.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:51

Dennis gets up, runs into Doc, he apologizes. I've been running into a lot of people lately. Must be love. Sure. Could be eye, could be eye problems. Could be accidental.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:01

Just could be random.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:02

Could be vertigo. Maybe you should check that out.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:05

Maybe, maybe that's not the yeah. Let's not assume it's that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:10

Doc pops in and says, Boy, it looks like uh you two are getting along famously. And she's like, Oh, I'm head over heels. And no, I haven't told him yet. Doc's like, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:21

But he thinks that's it. Wait, like she thinks he's like the Jiminy Cricket. Like, when are you gonna tell him? When are you gonna tell him?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:29

Well, because some episodes Doc is like that, but this isn't that one. Yeah. Ultimately, he says she'll find the right time, although she doesn't really. She also says time here.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:41

She also says timing isn't my long suit, which why is timing not her long suit? She's not pregnant because of timing unless her birth control ran out.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:53

Yes, her clock stopped working for months. I don't know. I don't know how.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:57

I mean, Charlie's a dick. That's kind of the problem. Yeah, I don't understand what time's got, nothing to like it sounds like she was in a good long-term relationship, got knocked up, and the husband the boyfriend ran. Like, that's not timing.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:09

No, that's not timing at all. That's take a weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:15

Rose is cleaning up after the army boys, and man are they pissed about you Finn Mel. Sarge nonsense. And they're like, we gotta get this guy's mind off the army. Rose is like, and and this is where Rose turns into Marie Barone. She's just like, you gotta get him a girl. It's just like, well, one thing leads to another. And they decide that Rose is in fact that girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:42

Why did they bring Gwen over? You know, get her away from Dennis. No, probably wouldn't have worked. He should not be around children for sure. No. She's singing over there with, you know, get another song in, sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:59

Rose lets everybody know what a big fan of MacArthur she is and what a not big fan of Harry Truman she is. Jeez.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:07

I yeah, I I I that was a little confusing to me, but I was just I was just going with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:11

Well, they were just trying to get his I shall return or whatever the MacArthur bit was. They were just trying to, you know. Anyway, she agrees to it because you know Tokyo had its rose. Why can't you? And just it's it's a lot. It's a lot. People were very the writers were very proud of themselves for this one, but yeah. No, they really were. You're absolutely right. All right. I thought I I don't think you're going to agree with me, but I thought this was a great scene. So Julie is bad mouthing Rick to Doc. And Doc's like, yeah, I can't see how those two were classmates. There's a big difference and all that kind of stuff. And then Julie just starts going into like a much more breathy defense/slash complimentary of Gopher. And everything she says about what a great and what a great man Gopher is and all this stuff, Doc's like, Gopher?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:12

Yeah, the same.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:14

Burl Smith. The financier? Like it's basically like and then she says it is it might be the best line Lauren Too's has ever delivered, where she's just like, Well, you clearly haven't been kissed by Burl Smith or whatever she says, and she just says it in like it is a little weird that they got to that point that fast, but it just was very funny that she is clearly like feeling whatever it is, she's feeling it, right? That kiss. That kiss did some stuff last night.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:51

Some optimism, some yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:55

I I didn't expect you to like it, but I I thought it was very I thought it was very funny. And Doc was very good in that too. I thought Doc was good. Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree. Rose knocks on Sarge's door to begin the Rose Ruse. Doris Roberts is doing a lot of like come up and see me sometime acting, basically. Yeah, yeah. At this point, she notices that Tabek's got the tats, and that he's an army guy, and this is her last cabin to clean. After that, you know, she can give him a tour of the ship, and it's much it's much better salute that she gives at the end than Stooping has. But basically, this is the beginning of the flirting, and it happens very fast. Like for a guy who is psychotic, he very quickly finds interest in love.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:01

So yeah, it was wild. It wasn't well. I mean, again, look look at the the point of the how far we are into this episode before this happened, too.

unknown 1:33:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:12

We're pretty far in at this point.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:14

We're well over halfway. It is a very oddly paced episode, and you really notice it when you're doing the notes, and you're like, there's so much left, and there's so much that doesn't happen, and I don't really know where the time went. Like, honestly, it goes very fast, but it's just like nothing really took a big chunk or anything. So Doc is a gossip monger, so he's tracking down Isaac to get his side of this whole Julie gopher affair. Isaac kind of reveals what happened in the beginning of this act, then Doc kind of reveals what happened in the middle of this act, and they kind of agree that they really shouldn't say anything, especially to Stubing, until they get more information. Stubing Stubing comes in, asks if anybody knows why gopher's acting weird. Isaac immediately says, You knew. So great job there. Great job. And then Stubing drops the bomb. He's like, I only know because he was asking about marriage. And they're all like, marriage.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:13

Which is completely nuts. But it's a love boat. They love to marry people on here. So it's just that same theme. Marriage, marriage, marriage, marriage, marriage.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:22

But you'd also think that they would be like immune to the magic of the love boat, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:29

Like I don't know. I mean, that that could have been something. I mean I mean, let's say let's say they went a different way and they just went for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:39

I think there's a there's a path there somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:42

Well, I mean, especially Gopher. Like, we've talked about this before. Gopher, when he actually ends up with a woman, it's always the same kind of woman. Sweet and if anything, there are versions of Julie that are probably a little fast for him. You know, not everyone. Not everyone, but some of them for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:59

So I agree. I agree. It would definitely be a departure for her to date someone like him, but maybe a healthy thing in a way.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:09

Sure, sure. No, I think this is. I don't know that I think they were I don't know what I think they were thinking. And I don't think they just got carried away. And I'm basically writing plots in my head for later on. Basically, yes. Alright. Daytime deck drama, Mike. My favorite kind of drama. Oh, this is a lot. Alright, so Dennis and Gwen admit that they're both head over heels for each other. So they they're turning their keys.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:41

Imagine it's amazing how fast that happens, Mike.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:45

Well, you know, they've known each other for almost two days. Sure. And you know what? Dennis kind of even wants a big family. I came from a big family. I'd love a big family. Of course, if you remember Kurt Like Dennis Cole's first episode, he showed the picture of his four kids, and he was kind of fond of his dead wife.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:00

So he loves these kids. He'd love to have kids of his own that are alive.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:05

The kids were alive, the wife was dead. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:08

Never mind.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:12

But Gwen's like, all right, but listen. Here's the thing. I'm pregnant. Two months pregnant. And she quickly does like a lot of the quick defense. She's like, I don't even talk to the father anymore, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Which I get what she was doing, but probably didn't come off the way she wanted it.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:34

No, she should have just let him deal with it. However, he's gonna deal with it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:38

And then, yeah, and and and how he deals with it. Oh wow. So at first he's stunned to your point, they've known each other for 36 hours. Yeah. You shouldn't be that stunned, but okay, fine. I get it. Like it it obviously, if I'm falling for somebody, it does add a complication. That that is fair. I think that is a fair, fair take to have. But then he says that he's all I can do is think about in my mind about this shipboard fling with a woman who's carrying another man's baby and is apparently proud of it, which I missed that the first time. That's a friggin' dude. And she's like, well, certainly not ashamed.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:27

Well, she's she should just, if she had any, she should get up at this point and be like.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:33

Well, and even if you're kind of on the fence, yeah, even if you're kind of on the fence about that, then this guy who has known her for less than 48 hours has the balls to ask about a question. Like, oh my god, I could not believe that. Yeah, I actually I that was coming. I was stunning. Yeah, I didn't know that was very uncomfortable. That was absolutely stunning to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:59

Because they already brought it up before. I was like, I didn't expect to hear that word again.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:04

But that is where fucked up thing to say to somebody. But isn't that if if you want to fall into my theory, isn't that exactly what a pro-life ad would be? In that it's like, look at these pro-choicers. They're just like treating abortion like right. Yeah. It was very it felt pointed in a way that I just wasn't ready for.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:29

Maybe Dennis Grant's a big pro-life guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:32

I think Dennis Grant's a big pro-Dennis Grant guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:35

Yeah, Dennis Grant loves some Dennis Grant.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:37

Anyway, he needs some time to think about this, which fair. Like the beginning of his talk and the end of his talk, fair. The middle? Terrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:46

Maybe you should have just said, let me just think about this before I say anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:50

This is all happening very fast. I care about you, but obviously this changes scenarios. Let's think about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:57

So what what could have possibly happened to him in Mazatlon? Anyway, Mike, what do you rob bank? Wait, what did he do?

SPEAKER_00 1:39:05

Did the life-changing thing happen there? Mazaslan, what are you talking about? He can't even think about dinner or Mazaslan. He just kind of is drifting off in his own mind. And and Gwen's like, Gwen's like, he's not gonna come back from commercial. He's definitely not coming back.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:20

He went to go bang out shots of non-alcoholic tequila in that the worst Mexican restaurant in Mexico. This it what a weird because in my mind, I'm like, all right, Gwen's done with this dude. That's it. I'm surprised that she even gave him the app. No, I'm not because she should have just cut him off here. Like, do me a favor to talk to me again.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:41

They love their like last-minute returns, too, which like a redemption, like which generally are unearned, except for the French guy in the plane. Like, no one coming back has ever really been earned. That is true.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:54

That is true. Yeah, it's just a weird. Like, I don't feel like he I don't think like Dennis Grant earned the right to say anything else to her based on what he said to her in this scene.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:04

Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:06

He's a good-looking dude. I guess you can get away with anything if you're good looking enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:10

Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:10

Look at that part.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:12

Yeah. A cheerful gopher lets us know that we're in Maza Slong over the intercom. Rick is at Julie's door pitching like really aggressive and antagonistic woo.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:26

I'm here for immediate sex, Julie. I mean, apparently, like, what were you?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:31

Yeah, he is stunned that Julie's not into him and refuses to take anything for an answer, and this is all going through the door buttons style. It is through the door, yeah. But then when he starts bad mouthing gopher, she opens the door and gives him what's for, lets him in and then walks out and leaves him in the room.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:49

I like this that she still she was standing up for Gopher. Yeah. I don't think they necessarily needed a romantic connection for her to do that, but I just liked her standing up for him.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:59

Well, it's like they have had at times a very brother-sister relationship. Yeah. Then I always bring up the end of Spider Serenade where she kind of went over and talked to him in a way that I thought was very sweet. It was very sweet, yeah. You know, so it it's all baked in. They have a relationship. Yeah, exactly. It's not it's not insane. No. It would be it's not like it's her and Isaac, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:28

Like it would be that'd be weird. You know. Well, her and the doc, remember the thing where she was like, how could I do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:33

I still think I know you bring that up a lot, but that to me felt like the most throwaway. Oof. I hope so. Wasn't great. I didn't like it. Let's see. So Rose and Harry are having dinner in Rose's cabin. Rose asks Mel, why don't you talk to me the way a man talks to a woman? Oh, so weird. But he can't. He doesn't, he just doesn't know how to talk to anyone. Like, it's not a man-woman thing, it's a civilian army person thing. He's just been completely brainwashed. Yeah. He'd still be in the army if they didn't have mandatory retirement, and he literally says that. It is kind of sad. Like, it is a it is a sad and probably very realistic character that they clearly didn't want to explore for a whole episode, but he's he's awfully old to be that rank, too, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:36

That's not a very high rank.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:39

Master Sergeant?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:41

He said he was a master sergeant. Is that what he said? Yeah, that came out in the world. Oh, never mind that. Master Sergeant's up there. That's that's up there. I mean, you're gonna be in the back, you're gonna be in the gulag if you keep bad mouthing him like this. Well, because they have him listed as like S. They don't have him listed as Master Sergeant. I forgot.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:58

He said Master Sergeant. I don't know if he was lying to Rose or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:01

It makes sense. That's more age appropriate, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:06

Anyway, Harry agrees to try for Rose, you know, to be at least a normal person, which is all you really want in a relationship. Sure. I mean, yeah, it's true. Doc find finds Gwen on the deck and asks where Dennis is. Turns out Dennis is back in Los Angeles. He got on a plane from beautiful Mazaslan International Airport. And he got on the he got on the first thing smoking to get the hell out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:37

Gwen was like, Dennis, what's your favorite color? Dennis? Dennis. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:42

You think Charlie was flying the plane? Like he's just like, I got you, friend.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:46

No problem. I'll keep this thing warm for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:50

All right. Gopher is talking to himself on the deck. He's kind of rehearsing what he wants to talk to Julie. He's gonna go down to her cabin and try and figure this out. But Julie shows up. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I think I don't think he's brain run wild. I think he just kind of wanted to find out. And that is an advantage of dating a friend or hooking up with a friend or whatever, is you in theory can just kind of lay it on the table and be like, hey, what's true? What are we doing here? Like, you know, it's like so this felt way more modern than I probably would have thought a 1980 plot line would have been.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:24

Especially for like an intricate sort of relationship between you know, an in intra-office sort of yeah. I thought I thought it was definitely it wasn't as simple as some of the other ones.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:35

Gopher's like, listen, when this all started, I swear I didn't think it was gonna be anything, but then you know, when you kind of do it and the kiss, and then Julie kind of cuts them off, and it's like, yeah, the play acting kind of brings up real feelings, and clearly they both felt something, whether it was before the kiss or the kiss itself. But like they the neither of them are being weird, neither of them are calling it crazy. You know, they're almost kind of like, hmm, maybe, you know. And I think they both are at least they don't say it, but it's kind of that thing where it's like, well, what else are we doing, right? Like, so so they think, you know where we should start is we should try to kiss again. What's a weekend?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:12

Like they're there it's never like when they're not at work. You know what I mean? In this case.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:15

I mean, I know that But this is the thing we always run into. Is they're always at work, but are they working? Like there are shifts in stuff, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:24

Like, yeah. So I should say they're in uniform. I wonder if that has any bearing on like your behavior or what you can or can't do in uniform.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:33

I did it a girl at Wawa, and we would sneak off and smooch. Were you wearing Wawa apron, Wawa tie? That's right. Come get me Dick Wood. Still, still free. Yeah. So they're like, let's let's try that that kiss again. That's a good place to start. And we get the music swell and the romantic fanfare, and they kiss for like half a second, and they're both like, no. Nope. And that made me laugh very hard. I I kind of like that it ended up that way. So then they're like, okay, well, okay. Last night was more passionate, that was more spontaneous, a little softer, all this stuff. They try again, and they're both like, this is not it. This whatever this is, this ain't it. And they're both like, we should probably just be friends. And that's this is where then we get you know, special friends, more than friends, all that kind of stuff. Mike. The term friends with benefits like insurance first originated when, what year would you say friends with benefits became a term?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:48

I was a very young man in 1980, so I I I have no idea then. I would say it I feel like it's a nineties thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:56

1995. There we go. Okay. Which felt not old enough for me until I thought about it and I was like, well, yeah, but I was the exact age where that would have been something that I would have heard about. So I've known about it all my life that would have been relevant, right? So that's true. Somebody just labeled it. The at least according to the internet search I did, the credit for the term goes to the 1995 song Head Over Heels by Alanis Morissett. So there you go. I guess we ought to have known my head. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. I think we can just do it here. I think those two will be randomly hooking up throughout the run of the series. And we won't ever see it. And I don't even know if they'll give us a wink, but in my head, much like when Doc hooked up with Patty Duke off camera, yeah, yeah. I just think the way those two left it, special friends a little, because you know how that would usually go. It'd be like, okay, shake hands and walk away, whatever. They there there was there was something there, and I think I don't think they'll ever address it on the show again, but in my show, I'll be bringing it up a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:18

What about is it is it the same conclusion about uh Juan Epstein and Marcia Brady from way back when? Or it's different.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:26

I don't think they had sex on this boat in this particular cruise. I think the door is left wide open without it being said between the two of them. That's fair. And that's how I will proceed until I see otherwise, which I don't think we ever will. But anyway, I thought this was a well-handled, quick in and out that that won't really have any legs. And I thought it just it made me feel good about both characters in a way, especially Julie. I thought there was a little bit of season one and two Julie in there. A little bit, a little bit, a little bit more than we had seen.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:06

So a little bit, which which which I I'm not mad at. I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:10

It was almost like it almost felt like an actual combination of the three seasons of Julie. That's what it felt like. So which is what I guess it's supposed to be. That's fine. And I think the little bit I've looked ahead for the next few episodes, I think she's getting back on the horse now. So I think we'll get to kind of see what what we're what we got. So yeah. All right, let's see. Harry is telling Rose how he's always had trouble trusting people. I'm sure that won't be a problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:40

No, Rose is pretty um yeah, honest as they come. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:46

Harry wasn't willing to open up, but for Rose, it's different.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:51

Yeah, because he's known her for so long. Yep. They're so close. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:56

Before Rose can tell Harry what actually is going on. On the army buddies, just very loudly down the hallway, or just spilling plot all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:06

Why aren't they sleeping? They're so tired. They're all bitching about, like, oh, this guy, this guy, he's finally gone, and they're out being go to sleep. Go hide. Dummies.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:19

Rose has Rose has lied. Rose has lied to the wrong marine, I think. War is hell. War sorry, war isn't hell. Love is. Love is. Yeah, I got that. Great job. Great job, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:36

That's great.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:37

Alright, Stubing's happy to hear that the Julie Gopher thing is over, but Rick shows up and those two just start smooching again. And they kind of tell Rick It's hard to quit cold turkey. I guess. And again, again, this is played for comic effect. I don't think it really means anything, but it's like once you once you go through that door, you know, there's a drunken there's a drunken party where those two are gonna hook up again. And is it the worst thing? You're on this boat every week. It's not the worst thing. You're not hurting anybody. You're not hurting anybody. So good for both of you. Young. Young, dumb, and full of boat. Full of boat. Oh my god, are we still doing this? The army, the army guys in Rose are at Sarge's door. He won't let him in, but Rose has a skeleton key. That's the perk of being one of the stewardesses. When uh when he when he lets her in, or she comes in, he goes to the bathroom, and this is where we get the reprise. Reprise of over there from the shower. He turns the shower on, but she's like, fuck this, I'll sing with you. Yeah, go ahead. And they're both singing at each other, basically. Funny line here from the army guys, and he said, That's gotta give it to Sarge. He doesn't hold a grudge. I thought that was pretty funny, actually. But anyway, Mel comes out and he's like, You're still here. And you know, that meant a lot. And that was basically it. Like the fact that she hung around. That's all it took. That's that's all it took. They're gonna get married. Yeah. All right, let's get out of here. Act five. Harry is talking to the army guys, telling them about their next 30-year anniversary. And Nipsey Russell's like, Sarge, it'll be 16. He's like, No, our wedding anniversary, you ding, you ding bat. Yeah. And then uh Rose leaves them out in a marsh because we needed one more of those, thank God. Doc is escorting Gwen out. She does a pretty labored Wizard of Oz thing. But look who came back, Mike. It's Dennis. What is he moved back from LA? Like, what's going on?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:50

No, they're always in LA. He just met the boat. Right. He did fly back.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:54

But I'm a jerk. I spent this is why we know that Mazaslan International Airport is basically free. It's like the flex bus everyone can fly.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:04

Yeah, it's just whatever. You can just jump the turnstile there. They don't even care.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:08

He apologizes for the male ego, which again. What was that? Well, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:15

Yeah, but it's it's not the initial comment, it's the second comment that doesn't go with his initial comment. That's like he doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:23

Why, because he says it was about love. No, he said it was about female love.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:27

Female love, yeah. Well, he loves a female. This is male ego and female uh just just own it, Mr. Grant.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:35

Well, it's like if they had landed, if this hadn't been a pro-Reagan super PAC ad. Right, brought to you by the more interesting to me is I love you, but I can't get the image of another man's baby out of my mind, which makes total sense. And you know, you have to be okay with it or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:59

Well, and there's like communicate that exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:02

And it is like I need more time and all that kind of crap or whatever. But they But they just met. Yeah, it and the fact that he just left the night before, and like to your point, what did he do? Like, I thought he was gonna come home and come back with like his mom or something. He was on the way home. He didn't come he didn't show up with like a stuffed bear or something, like the baby spoon, the pedo, anything. Like, yeah. Nothing. So weird. And that's a that's a series wrap for Dennis Cole. Maybe we'll see you on Fantasy Island. I hope so. Rick says his goodbyes and pulls gopher aside and kinda asks, What's your secret? And Gopher says, You start with a friend. What does that mean? Much like Bizmarkey told us all those years later. That's right. More of a soothsayer, less of less of a rapper. Yeah. And then we end with a nice shot of Gopher and Julie, just kind of, you know, laughing, sharing a laugh. Nothing more. Will anything ever happen with between them again on screen, Mike? I doubt it. What happened up here?

SPEAKER_01 1:55:09

No doubt. They're saving it for the spin off.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:14

Oh, so I thought you were gonna say they were gonna save it for when they kill Maxwell Thorne. You might as well haven't sex over his dead corpse. God. Who done it?

SPEAKER_01 1:55:27

This is so weird. And everybody's there.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:30

Yeah, everyone's just anyway. That's it for episode one. Totals in a recap. Obviously, this is the best and worst episode, but I thought your point was interesting. As far as uh season opener goes, I mean, it's better than that second season opener for sure. Yeah. It wasn't as good as last year.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:49

Last year that was a fan. I mean, I'll tell you what we don't have. We don't have season of the olds yet. I think season of the olds we've we've put in the rear view.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:58

Well, I mean, it's only one episode. We don't know what's going to happen next week. I I I think we should reserve, I think by the time we get through C episode five, which at that point will have been seven and a half hours of love mode. Right. I think we'll then we'll know because I do ultimately think next week will be what was supposed to be the opener. You know, then we'll have a but I'll say this as far as a run-of-the-mill one-hour episode, it was absolutely fine. It would have been right smack in the not bad pile, right? Yeah, it's like right in the middle. It's they probably could have done a lot more with the other things, but it didn't hurt anything. It was a harm, harmless episode, I would say. And I did, I liked I ended up really liking the Julie Gopher stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:49

And I get it, I get where you're coming from on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:51

Yeah. So but I ended up really hating the redundant army stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:56

It's just we this story was told within the first 10 minutes. Like just get to it already. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:03

And the more the more we talk about it, the more what started out as a joke has turned into a reality with this Reagan stuff. I really think it's a levi ended. That is wild. All right, for the first time this season, Captain of the Week.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:17

Captain of the Week, it's funny in this one. I I think it has to be Gopher. And I say that because who else could it be? It's not Harry Beluski. You know, it can't be Doc didn't have a big enough role.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:36

I thought Doc was good in what he had, but it wasn't like enough. I have Doris Roberts written down, but the more I think about it, I don't know that I agree with that. Especially the second time around. Yeah. I think I'm gonna say Julie. That's fair. I I just I just kind of liked it. And like I said, I really liked kind of that middle part. And again, I think they just I think they stuck the landing in a way that last season or two seasons ago I don't think they would have. I think they didn't play it for laughs, which for them is really weird, but they also didn't play it sacron sweet. No, like it was just kind of good. I forgot to look who wrote it, but I if if it was somebody who doesn't work on the show, I wouldn't be shocked. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:24

No, I I thought it was good. I thought I thought I yeah, I can't argue with that. I mean, it's the same storyline, just different sides of the same story.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:31

Walk the plank, worst of the week. Well, it's funny. When we started, I kind of was back and forth, and I was thinking, well, who is a bigger villain, Dennis Grant or Rick Martin? Now, being that Dennis Grant ended up with the woman that he was being so villainous, in my opinion, towards, not villainous, but yeah, potential stubby. I gotta go Rick Martin. Because he he kind of stuck to who he was throughout the entire thing. Not that that's a good thing, but I think he was just committed to to being that guy that needs to walk the plank. Although I could throw Beluski off here in a second.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:11

That plank is covered in gold. Yeah. I'm going with the army plot in general, like especially the first half. It just the like I said, the redundancy. At this point, we're in season four. At this point, you can do two scenes different to chop that up a little bit. You don't have to do it like that. Yeah. You know, or have have those army guys have a scene where he's not in it and they actually talk about it a little bit more, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:59:40

Just something to earnest scene about it. Like, man, we really, you know. Oh, Jim Varney would be great in this. Yes, he would. Oh, Jim Varney. Yeah. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:49

And that totals and recap for this week.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:53

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SPEAKER_00 2:00:33

I don't know. I I've got a lot of things scrambled in my head, so I'll be interested to hear what you got.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:39

This is all we need to know going in. There are five storylines, 12 portholes.

unknown 2:00:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:49

Now, do you were you able to ascertain if it's five storylines, but like there's one main and they all kind of branch off, or are we going back to old school where it's literally five different stories?

SPEAKER_01 2:01:00

They are they are linked together.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:02

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:03

That makes it a little easier to wade through. I'll say they're on a themed cruise. Oh. And we are not starting in the Pacific Ocean, my friend.

unknown 2:01:13

What?

SPEAKER_01 2:01:14

We're not in any ocean, as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:17

Oh, it's a space cruise.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:19

We are out in space. Oh, wow. We are uh we are we are starting in the Caribbean this year, sir.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:25

Oh wow. We go back to pick up the corpses of Burt Convey and Wes Anderson.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:31

And they mentioned they were going through the Panama Canal, too. So they could they I'm telling you, they're listening to the show. These are these this is two episodes in a row where they've we've they're they've addressed something that we've complained about.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:43

So before we watch it, yeah, how will they get them onto a Caribbean cruise? Will it be like the thing that I had brought up, which is going to be like, well, you know, this is uh a special honor for our crew to be picked to come work the Caribbean leg.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:02

I'll say this. I don't know, I have not seen the whole episode. I don't know if they allude to it, but it is clearly not the Pacific Princess. Oh, nice. Yeah, that's exciting. Pretty obvious. Which makes me think this could be the real season premiere. But we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:20

I think that would be because I I really do think if you had this one in the can and you had the other one in the can, you would not blow the two parter on the first on the first night back of new TV, you'd save it because they're gonna watch that regardless. Yeah, no, I agree. Plus, next week's November, we're in sweeps.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:37

It should be interesting. There is a lot going on this next episode. I'm excited. I can't wait to episode.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:43

So yeah, two parter. Well, no, two hours. Yeah, two hours. You wish it was 90 minutes. Yeah, just in case you forgot from at the end of last season, we give our next four episodes are two hours, one hour, two hours, ninety minutes. So it's a lot of ours will be longer. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_01 2:03:05

So, yeah, that's all I have.

SPEAKER_00 2:03:07

Well, here we are. We are in our fourth season officially now. The the light has been lit. We are I think it's a 25-episode season again, just like last year. So uh we're almost on. But thanks everybody for listening to everything before this. And for this one, we'll be back with that two parter uh in a couple weeks. But until then, enjoy your enjoy your cruise to the Caribbean, I guess, and we'll talk to you next time.