Why Alcohol Isn’t the Reward You Think It Is / EP 66

Welcome back to the Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast! In this episode, we're diving deep into one of the most common beliefs we hear from clients: “I deserve a drink.” Sound familiar?

Join your hosts and alcohol freedom coaches, Ruby and Susan, as we unpack the cultural conditioning behind using alcohol as a reward—and why it's time to rethink that narrative. Why have we been taught that wine is the prize for surviving the day? And what if the real reward isn’t in a glass, but in the way we feel?

We're challenging the "work hard, wine hard" mindset and offering fresh, joyful alternatives to truly nourish yourself. From micro-moments of pleasure to playful rituals that light you up (without the hangover), you’ll walk away with tools, perspective shifts, and a whole lot of inspiration.

Ready to redefine what reward actually feels like? Let’s get lit—alcohol free.

Listeners have said that our podcast has helped them get alcohol free! So we created Feel Lit 21, a way for you to press your reset button and take a 21 day break from alcohol. Every day you will receive emails with videos, journal prompts, and the inspiration you need to embrace 21 days without alcohol that feels lit!

Leave a review on Apple Podcasts, and ask us any questions you have about breaking free from wine or living an alcohol-free lifestyle.

Websites:
Susan Larkin Coaching https://www.susanlarkincoaching.com/
Ruby Williams at Freedom Renegade Coaching https://www.freedomrenegadecoaching.com/

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It is strongly recommended that you seek professional advice regarding your health before attempting to take a break from alcohol. The creators, hosts, and producers of the The Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, or psychological advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any resource or communication on behalf of the podcast or otherwise to be a substitute for such.

Transcript

Sick and tired of your love-hate relationship with wine? Welcome to the Feel It Alcohol Free podcast. Hi. I'm coach Ruby . And I'm coach Susan Larkin. We are two former wine lovers turned alcohol freedom coaches exposing the lies about alcohol and giving you, our listeners, the tools to break free so you can feel lit. And when you're lit, you'll feel healthier, freer, and more in control of your life. So relax, kick back, and get ready to feel lit alcohol free. Grab our fun bingo card with 21 feel lit activities shared on the podcast. This is a fun way to get motivated to try some new practices in your daily life. 

Susan [00:00:17]:
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Feel Lit Alcohol Free podcast. I'm coach Susan. I'm here with coach Ruby, and we are super excited as usual to be here with you. We love doing this podcast so much.

Susan [00:00:53]:
And sometimes we come and we're tired or whatever. And, oh my gosh, by the time we're done, we're, like, both so charged up. So we hope that you feel the same way after listening, that you get a spring in your step, you get inspired. And so one of the things we're gonna talk about today, alcohol as a reward, which is a huge topic that we both encounter with our clients all the time in groups and in one on one. But before that, I just wanna bring up some feedback we've had on the podcast, which is just just so amazing, which is that people are saying that they're getting alcohol free by listening to our podcast. We've gotten emails. I'm sixty days, and your podcast really helped me. And, also, back in January, we created a dry January type program that we called Feel Lit 21, and we had met several women go through it.

Susan [00:01:48]:
I mean, 30, I think. And it was amazing. Yeah. It was an amazing program. We're gonna do it live at different times during the year, but we also have made it available anytime. You could start today, tomorrow, whenever you want. And maybe you've been alcohol free before and you wanna restart. Or maybe you're just curious.

Susan [00:02:09]:
Like, what would it be like to go twenty one days without alcohol? And you wanna try it, and we made it super reasonable. So

Ruby [00:02:16]:
yeah. So what it is, it's twenty one days of emails from us Mhmm. With specific episodes. So you watch an episode. There's journal questions so you can go deeper with each topic. And Mhmm. There's a private feel it community that's off Facebook where you can ask questions, get that kinda community feel support. And, yeah, again, you can even just do it for a refresh.

Ruby [00:02:46]:
You can start anytime. Yeah. Twenty one days of emails. And one of the quotes we got was that my favorite part of the program was the compassion, enthusiasm, and knowledge shared by you both. Love the feel it 21 program.

Ruby [00:03:11]:
Yeah.

Susan [00:03:12]:
Well, one of the other quotes was, I love the feel it 21 program. Coach Ruby and Susan were wonderful in their teachings and giving us great examples of their own journey with alcohol. Thank you both. So, you know, we you know, if you've been listening to our podcast that we share intimate details about our journey, which hopefully helps set you free from shame, blame, and, also, we always share tactics and tools in every episode. And so that is the thing that we share in the episodes in the field 21 program. So we would love it if you wanted to join us and then join our Facebook community because the opposite of addiction is connection, and that's where we connect in our community. So yeah.

Ruby [00:03:58]:
Yeah. Yeah. I love it. So 21, you can start any day.

Susan [00:04:03]:
So today, we don't have a specific question. This is just something we hear from clients all the time, and it was part of my drinking journey as well, if I drink as a reward. Like, you know, I just want one. I just feel like I deserve it, or I need this reward at the end of the day. I need to look forward to this at the end of the day or after I've done this or that. So this idea of alcohol as a reward.

Ruby [00:04:34]:
Right. I just finished my taxes. I worked hard today. It was stressful. Or I

Susan [00:04:41]:
Or successful.

Ruby [00:04:42]:
Successful or just Yeah.

Susan [00:04:44]:
Like, I had a great meeting today, and I wanna celebrate. So it's alcohol. Or I had a terrible meeting today, and I'm stressed out, and I need alcohol. Both. Right?

Ruby [00:04:55]:
Or I mowed the lawn and got all sweaty. I deserve a reward. You know?

Susan [00:05:00]:
Yeah. The kids are all in bed.

Ruby [00:05:01]:
I finally have some time. Yeah. Me time. I hear that. Yeah. The reward. Or I I have to do the laundry tonight, so I get a reward.

Susan [00:05:13]:
Yeah. It's my reward for, like, sitting here folding laundry. I get to have my wine. Or it's my reward for making dinner. I pour myself a glass of wine, and then I'm making dinner. Like, it's my reward for, you know, doing this hard work. Or just the end of the work week. For me, Friday, like I would in my early days of exploring alcohol free living, I did pretty good during the week.

Susan [00:05:35]:
But Friday and Saturday, the weekend was really hard because I felt like I deserved this reward. My husband calls it for crawling to the finish line of the week. You know, I wanted that reward for my wine time, you know, on Friday nights.

Ruby [00:05:50]:
Or I'm the mom. You know, we work a lot like, I'm the mom, and I have to make dinner. So I get a reward since I'm the one making dinner. So we're gonna talk about homework time. Right. Yeah. It comes up so often, that word reward. So we're gonna, like, dive into that word.

Ruby [00:06:10]:
You know? Well, first of all, I get it. Like, we want a reward.

Susan [00:06:13]:
Get it.

Ruby [00:06:14]:
We want that time. We could call it self care. You know, we think our wine is self care. But when I coach with clients in groups or one on one, well, I start to dig in what is a real reward, and what is it that you really want? Mhmm. So in the beginning, yeah, you were kinda in the beginning, it might be just on Friday nights, you know, to get to the end of the work week. But is it the relief that you want? What is it? We kind of ask a lot of different questions or, you know, we both do similar kinda coaching styles in that. We ask questions. What is a real

Susan [00:06:51]:
reward? Right. And turning it on its head is, oh, drinking a toxic substance that causes seven different kinds of cancer and makes you feel like shit the next morning, a reward? Like, let's think about this. Like, we have ingrained ourselves. Our culture tells us that this is a reward. But is it really? Like, I'm always coming back to, is that really true? We've been indoctrinated to think that this is a reward, and we've trained our brain to think that this is a reward, and it gives us this huge dopamine hit, which rewards our pleasure center in our brain. So there's, you know, there's, again, there's reasons why we think this is a reward. So it's not like we're Right. We're dumb because we think this.

Susan [00:07:34]:
Right? But now we wanna kinda turn it on its head.

Ruby [00:07:38]:
And we've heard from society. It's in our culture. Our culture we were talking about this morning before the like, even from childhood, we get rewards. Right? Kids get rewarded when they get an A on a, you know, a test or when you, you know, win a game. Like, you're getting these rewards, dopamine hits. But what is a real reward? I mean, it is a reward to have just twenty minutes of this, you know, pleasure or relief or Yeah. But then how long? You wake up the next morning. Is that still a reward? So maybe a better question is, what feels good or what's pleasurable tomorrow morning also? Like, I love to play it forward.

Ruby [00:08:21]:
Well, we've talked about that tactic many times. Yeah.

Susan [00:08:24]:
Yeah. Yeah. Because there's nothing wrong with wanting to feel pleasure. There's nothing wrong with wanting to feel good. So it's even asking ourselves, but is this twenty four hours good, or is this just twenty minutes good? Like, those are the kind of questions that we ask ourselves. You know? And, you know, you had a good point, Ruby, about, you know, this this also, this mindset of work hard, play hard.

Ruby [00:08:49]:
Yeah. When you said crawling to the finish line, I thought about that. We like Yeah. Okay. So Monday through, you know, third Friday, I'm gonna work really, really, really hard and then play. This is more binge drinking. You might be a binge drinker, but, like, that whole, like, work hard, play hard. But what happens to binge drinkers is maybe just week weekend drinkers, after a while, it slips into Sunday night, Monday night.

Susan [00:09:15]:
Starts Wednesday. Wine wine Wednesday. I know so many people who have a wine Wednesday that they look forward to. And I know for me, if I start drinking on Wednesday, then I would also wanna drink on Thursday, then Friday, then Saturday, then maybe I would stop on Sunday, and it just creeps in. But yeah. It creeps.

Ruby [00:09:32]:
But why do we have to, like, work so hard that we need this? Like, what if we have some tactics and tools, but, like, what if we enjoyed our work? What if every day, Monday through Friday, while we're working, we check-in with our feelings. We check-in with ourselves and give ourselves lots of little fun mini you know, we call it staying above 50%. Like, I don't know, little dance parties or something, little breaks where you go outside. So because you brought up a point earlier, like, we drink because we're overfunctioning, which has to do with this work hard, play hard too.

Susan [00:10:10]:
Yeah. Well, that's what I was over you know? So, yes, are you perpetuating this reward cycle? Cycle? This is what I see with my clients a lot, and I bring it up. Are we perpetuating this reward cycle by saying yes to things we don't wanna do, by overfunctioning, and then we reward that overfunctioning behavior with this big dopamine hit of alcohol, and so it reinforces that behavior. So it's like, oh, yeah. Okay. I'm super tired, but I'll still sit here. And for me, it was when we owned the music studio. It'd be, like, 9PM, and I'm like, okay.

Susan [00:10:48]:
I'm super tired, but I'll still sit here and, like, do all the social media stuff for the studio, but I'm gonna drink wine

Ruby [00:10:55]:
Mhmm.

Susan [00:10:55]:
Because that's my reward for doing this and because I'm super tired. And that perpetuated that behavior. So just saying, look, I'm too tired to do this. This isn't a good time. 9PM, I should not be working anymore, and just say no. So, I mean, when I stopped drinking, I said, oh, if I'm not drinking, I'm not doing that, that, and definitely not that. Like, I, all of a sudden, was very clear, but that was good. Right? Because my drinking was in my pattern of overfunctioning, and I needed to to stop that.

Susan [00:11:30]:
Or people pleasing. Do we go and do things that we don't wanna do, but we get this reward for alcohol? And so that perpetuates this, what we call self sabotage or the wheel of self sabotage. Mhmm. So interrupting those patterns or just turning it on its head again, thinking about it. You know?

Ruby [00:11:48]:
Well, what do you hear mostly when you ask clients, like, what is a real reward? When I ask that question in coaching, they literally, like, have to stop and think for quite a while. And, oh, yeah. Take your time. Think about it. And, you know, a real reward is, like, something that is pleasurable

Susan [00:12:08]:
Yeah.

Ruby [00:12:08]:
In the long term. I mean, I love this question. What can be nourishing. Nourishing. But what can you drink tonight that makes you feel good tomorrow? It's not about what you can drink that makes you feel good in twenty minutes, but what makes you feel good tomorrow? Some of the Yeah. Rewards that I've heard are, like, a massage or some sort of spa thing. But, oftentimes, you can't do that every day. Right? Like, if we're in the loop we need a reward for doing the laundry, cooking dinner, you know, get the like, all the everyday things.

Ruby [00:12:40]:
If you need a reward for everything, then it can't necessarily be a massage, right, every day, because maybe that's out of your budget. It's out of my budget. Yeah. But what you know, there's so many little things you can do. And we actually talk about what you do to feel lit, you know, in every episode, we end with that. And you could, like, write all of those down, and we actually built what's called a bingo card list because there's so many ideas of things you can reward

Susan [00:13:08]:
yourself with. Yes. That bingo card is part of our feel it 21 program. There's 21 feel it activities, which is kind of neat to try. Well, what I find with clients is exactly what you said. People don't know. They go, I don't know. Because they've been outsourcing this to alcohol for so long.

Susan [00:13:25]:
And so it's kinda we have to start with experimenting. Try this. What is this? How does this feel? What are you going back to your childhood, what did you really love as a kid? But also going back to this idea of, do we need a reward for everything we do, and how we've been kind of indoctrinated into thinking that, right, in our culture. Again, do we need a reward because we put our kids to bed, Or do we need a reward because we made dinner? If you don't feel like making dinner, then maybe you will feel like you need to make a reward. But then maybe you have like, me and my husband have this deal where, like, hey. It's been a crazy day. Like because he has days he makes dinner, and I have days I make dinner. And but we always have this, we finally had to come to this agreement, but if we both have a day where we're like, I just don't have it in me to make dinner, then we get takeout, and that's okay.

Susan [00:14:20]:
Each of us gets to pull the takeout card if that's what we wanna do. And yeah. And that's super helpful. So it's like so then I don't need a reward because I'm like, okay. Good. I'm too tired. I don't wanna have to force myself to do this thing and then feel like you need this reward. Right?

Ruby [00:14:37]:
I wanna

Susan [00:14:38]:
go

Ruby [00:14:38]:
back to this work hard, play hard in our culture because not every culture is like this. I have worked for, I've lived in other countries, and I've worked for companies that were based in Europe. And they are always like, we Americans okay. So both Susan and I know we have, you know, listeners everywhere. But it's a very work hard, play hard culture. It it it just really is. And, so when I lived in Sweden, for example, it just wasn't like that at all. In Sweden, it's, like, a slower pace.

Ruby [00:15:16]:
I'm finally figuring it out as I age and get older and have lived longer. And maybe but it's just a slower paced life where you notice the simple pleasures. Yeah. And it's actually like I remember the year I lived there. It was so relaxing to not be go go go go go, and have time for yourself, and take real time for yourself. What is a real pleasure? And I would love for you guys to to write down. Like, just take some time. You probably don't know because you've been, like Susan said, outsourcing this to alcohol.

Ruby [00:15:54]:
But what are some ways you could write a list and ask yourself, what is pleasurable? What is re replenishing? What is nourishing? What else comes to your mind?

Susan [00:16:09]:
Yeah. I think that's amazing, yes, that other cultures don't have that. And again, back to the point of, like, adding things in during the day. Like, I noticed I was even recently, and I've been alcohol free almost five years, but I was noticing I was putting some of my pleasurable things like reading, I love to read, to the end of the day. And then one morning, I was at, like you know, when you're on your Kindle and you're, like, at 90% of this book. You know what I mean? And I was like, why am I waiting till, like, eight, 9PM tonight to finish my book? It was in the morning, and I had some time. And I'm like, I'm just gonna sit down with a cup of tea and finish my book now. But why is that so weird? You know what I mean? But, like, do something pleasurable throughout the day.

Susan [00:16:57]:
Do some don't this idea of leaving the past, can you cultivate pleasure throughout your day, these mini rewards, you know, through all of your, you know, senses, like, through, like, putting some aromatherapy on when I'm working and smelling the beautiful smells or putting a pretty candle on or I don't know. Like, you know, mid midday, making sure I take a walk because that helps me with my stress level so that I've you know, I'm replenished. It's about thinking of it from a perspective of nourishment, replenishment, pleasure, You know? Because we can

Ruby [00:17:40]:
bring up now. It totally makes sense. But we can bring it up now if you are working hard all day and not giving yourself any self care or any breaks or not. I often remember when I was in the corporate job, I wouldn't even work, take lunch. Oftentimes, I'd work right through lunch. I wouldn't even barely take bathroom breaks. I would just be at work wherever, and you really get through what's called decision making fatigue. By the end of the day, from making decisions, from putting out fires, from just communicating with your coworkers. It really, really can you just lose what's called your willpower tank.

Ruby [00:18:28]:
And from just making decisions all day long, you're more likely to then just find the easiest way, easiest way to dopamine. Easiest way. And so, really, what I've learned, and I think you too, Susan, is that what would we call it? Like, well, staying above 50% and checking in with yourself all day long, giving yourself many, if you wanna call it reward. But we wanna we wanna actually we were talking this morning. What if we don't use the word reward anymore? What if you take that word out of your vocabulary and change it with pleasure or self care or replenish or nourish? It's just because that word reward, I think, might be connected to wine or alcohol. It was wine for me and Susan, so we talked about wine a lot. But, you know,

Susan [00:19:17]:
Yeah.

Ruby [00:19:18]:
Just remove that word. You know? There's certain words that I like to remove from my vocabulary, and that could be one. Okay.

Susan [00:19:26]:
So what can you do if the reward is something that's, you know, your thing, you know, that you struggle with? And, again, it's just a back to becoming aware, right, that this is your thing and actually seeing if you can see a cycle of that self sabotage, that you're actually overfunctioning or put or saying yes to too many things or, you know, working through your lunch and, you know, getting to the crawling to the finish line and where you can insert some things that are pleasurable, replenishing, nourishing. And sometimes we just have to start with experimentation, making a list, seeing what works. No, you know, no myth of perfection. Just seeing what might help you not need relief. Because is it really a reward, or is it relief, right, at the end of the day too, I think? So yeah. And, really, go back and listen. You know, do our Feel Lit is a 21 program. Get our feel it bingo card.

Susan [00:20:25]:
Look at some of the things that we've talked about on this podcast about feeling lit because these are some things you could try and experiment with to see if they replenish and nourish and give you joy and pleasure, which is really joy and pleasure is what we want from a reward. Right? So, Ruby Yeah. I'm gonna just segue right into the time of what you do to feel lit, and let's add another one to the list that people can try.

Ruby [00:20:53]:
Yeah. Well, I wanna go back because when you asked me that question this morning, like, what do I do to feel pleasure? And I wanna go back to the five senses. We have mentioned this multiple times, and some of our guests have mentioned it, but it's so true. Like and what made me think is the movie Amelie with Audrey Tutu. Have you ever seen the movie? It's been years ago, probably. It's a classic. It's a French subtitle movie. But in the movie, she does these pleasurable things, and it's all about pleasure, like the pleasure of sitting and smelling the cappuccino.

Ruby [00:21:33]:
She goes to a farmer's market, and she dips her hand in the beans. Have you ever done that, like, you know, like, at the bulk beans? Or what do you smell? Like, maybe write down your top, what do you love? I love the scent of vanilla, the scent of citrus, you know, like lemon. What is your pleasure? Maybe flowers, things that you love to see. I love to see trees and nature. So it's smell and feel, like, the feeling of what feels good. Maybe sheets or a soft pillow or blanket. What do you hear? I love the sound of waves and water. We're having a big rainstorm right now, and that's why my Internet's been a little funky.

Ruby [00:22:25]:
But the sound of rain, and taste, you know, you can we we put a lot of I think, on on taste, you know, like and and, like, the taste of things, but I think we could put equal, merit or, focus and emphasis on smell and feel, you know, and seeing. You know? You could just look at nature. You could look at really wonderful images. You know? On my computer, sometimes images just show up, like you know what is that? The aurora borealis or something. Just something, like, calming. To me, this is pleasurable. This really does work to activate my five senses or choose one. You know? Yeah.

Ruby [00:23:15]:
What about you, Susan? What brings you

Susan [00:23:17]:
Oh, my go to chocolate if I feel like I need a reward. But, I've struggled with that because I've been needing to be on this diet protocol because of some health issues. And so all of a sudden, I was like, I don't have that reward for my chocolate because it's not on the list. And that's okay because I had to really I could look into that and go, why do I feel like I need a reward? Do I feel like I need a reward because I'm adulting, and these are things I need to be doing in my day? Or do I feel like I need a reward because I'm overfunctioning? Because I still fall into those patterns even being alcohol free, And my reward is not wine anymore, but was I using chocolate too much? You know? And, and so it's been a good experiment, again, to find other things. And, like, again, I I mentioned before, like, hey. What about reading your book at lunchtime? What about reading if I enjoy reading? And why am I waiting to do so? Why am I putting myself last, my pleasurable needs last, and going, oh, I can only read my book once I'm in bed at nine at 10PM? You know? Yeah. Like And

Ruby [00:24:24]:
I thought of one more reward too because you're thinking all morning

Susan [00:24:28]:
Yeah.

Ruby [00:24:28]:
Is my Wordle. Okay? My New York Times games, like Wordle and the spelling bee. Mhmm. All those New York Times games. So those are rewards. Now things like video games, it’s like a reward.

Susan [00:24:44]:
Right? Center thing.

Ruby [00:24:46]:
Yeah. And so I started to recognize that it was almost a bit of an addiction feeling, not that it's negative because it's just fun. It's a fun game. Yeah. But I would wanna do it first thing when I woke up. So I've, like I, what made me think of it is that I switched this. Now I do what's really pleasurable. The first thing is meditation. That's so, like, calming for my brain.

Ruby [00:25:09]:
I love meditation. So instead of grabbing my phone and getting that kind of art it's really like a dopamine hit is artificial. Video games. Artificial. So now, I use that as my reward. So something like, oh, I get to play on my phone, you know, one of your games or social media, but it's timing. Right? I don't do it for very long. It's to do all those games, it's maybe a half an hour.

Ruby [00:25:38]:
But it's my, like, half an hour of my time. So there's lots of ways you can explore. Yeah.

Susan [00:25:43]:
And you get little rewards when you get it right. You're like, oh, I got it.

Ruby [00:25:46]:
I haven't done it in a while, and

Susan [00:25:48]:
I was really enjoying it. Yeah. It's the “I n g” activities. It's a hobby. Like, we've outsourced all our pleasure and all our hobbies, and, you know, all I did was go to wineries. That was my hobby. Drinking was my hobby. And so when we become alcohol free, coming into what are other things that are enjoyable.

Susan [00:26:06]:
Mhmm. Knitting, playing pickleballing. For me, that's a reward. It's fun.

Ruby [00:26:11]:
Pickleballing. You know, and going into the kitchen. It's fun.

Susan [00:26:15]:
I made it a nice day. Huddling. It Puzzles. Doing puzzles, if you like that. Yeah. Painting, writing, listening to music, singing. And a lot of times we say, okay. If you're struggling to make a list, go back to your childhood.

Susan [00:26:35]:
Under 10, what were the things you like to do?

Ruby [00:26:38]:
Because you weren't drinking. Drawing. I would try. My Coloring. Playing. Just playing. So when we Yeah. I know I've shared this with you before, but when we women, my sober women and I go into the ocean every Sunday, we are laughing hysterically, and it feels like play.

Ruby [00:26:58]:
So where can you put more play in your life? Yeah.

Susan [00:27:02]:
So I laughed. Yeah. Finding a funny YouTube video to laugh at is so enjoyable.

Ruby [00:27:08]:
Yeah. And if we go back to work hard, play hard, what if we don't work so hard, but we put in a little bit of play so that we don't have to play so hard? And what else is play? You know, play isn't always alcohol. I mean, we're right. We thought that, but play is what makes you really laugh. Like you just said, like, funny cat videos or Yeah.

Susan [00:27:31]:
Yeah. Work less hard, play harder, because we probably have too little play in our life as adults. We just don't play anymore, and playing's so fun. That's kind of getting into a game. Like, I've never been a sporty person at all, but getting into this pickleballing has been fun. You know? I have to make sure I keep it fun and not get too competitive or down on myself if I'm not playing as well as I would like to, and I've really been working on that. Like Yeah. For me, it's a good game if I do these four things because those are the things I'm working on.

Susan [00:28:03]:
And then if I don't win, I mean, I don't care. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Ruby [00:28:06]:
So if we wrap this up, reward reward is a word that lets you switch it around and use different words, replenish, nourish, pleasure, and really try to find more pleasure or replenishment throughout the day Yeah. So that you don't need some big relief. It's just your day. You're right. If that makes sense. So yeah. I love it.

Susan [00:28:36]:
I love it.

Ruby [00:28:37]:
Fun. And yeah. What a great episode. So good to connect with you. See, I feel amazing. I know. Now I feel lit from We feel lit.

Susan [00:28:45]:
Yeah. Hopefully, you feel lit after listening to our podcast. So that's what we're hoping for. We have heard that, and we're so honored that you've taken the time to join us. We love hearing from you, so we'd love to hear it. If you, if you haven't, reached out, you know, email me or Ruby or there's a little place for feedback on the podcast in Buzzsprout where we, you know, where we host our podcast. We would love to hear from you. We really would.

Susan [00:29:12]:
I answer every email that anyone sends me personally. Like, I'm not that famous or anything. So now I love hearing from people. So I do.

Ruby [00:29:23]:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for listening. Okay. Bye.


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