Swedenborg & IFS with Bob Falconer, Chelsea Odhner, and Jonathan Rose

In this conversation, John Clarke brings together a panel of colleagues and co-authors to dive into their new book, Opening the Inner World. Together, they explore where Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy meets the spiritual insights of Emanuel Swedenborg. The panel shares their own journeys, the transformative impact of IFS, and how Swedenborg’s teachings on the inner self and divine inflow can deepen our understanding of trauma and healing. They also discuss the nature of consciousness, the power of inner dialogue, and the role of spirit in our lives — highlighting how self-awareness and a connection to the divine can open the door to profound healing and growth.

🌿 Key takeaways:

1. Uncover how blending IFS and Swedenborg’s teachings can open new pathways to deep emotional and spiritual healing.
2. See trauma through a new lens by understanding it as part of a larger spiritual experience, not just a psychological wound.
3. Experience a fresh perspective on how your spiritual and physical selves are constantly interacting and shaping your life.
4. Recognize how the illusion of separation keeps us stuck — and how reconnecting with your true self (and helping your clients do the same) brings lasting change.

Stay in touch with our guests below: 

🗣️ Chelsea Rose Odhner

A lifelong student of Swedenborg’s teachings, Chelsea Rose Odhner has extensive professional experience synthesizing Swedenborg’s teachings into content for a global audience. Combined with her work as a bodyworker, and an IFS practitioner and coach, Chelsea adds a unique and informed perspective to integrating IFS therapy with the system of the spiritual world that Swedenborg describes.

🗣️ Robert Falconer 

A dedicated therapist and teacher of the IFS model, Robert Falconer has contributed significantly to the field through his research and writings. His work focuses on how our minds are not just multiple, but also porous. He brings this lens to IFS, especially in the context of trauma and spiritual experiences.

🗣️Jonathan Rose

A scholar of Emanuel Swedenborg and Neo-Latin translator, Jonathan Rose has published extensively on Swedenborg’s theological and philosophical ideas. He serves as the Series Editor for the New Century Edition of Emanuel Swedenborg’s Theological Works. His expertise brings a deep spiritual dimension to the book, offering readers insights into concepts in Swedenborg’s spirituality that resonate with IFS.

@chelsea.odhner
@locusofhealing
https://robertfalconer.us/
@swedenborgfoundation
https://swedenborg.com/

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It's so frustrating and it feels like you just wasted your money. if you have ever gone through this like me, let me know in the comments below. Now that said, memberships do still sell. In fact, my signature product is a membership. I love memberships, but I think where people get it wrong and where they don't sell anymore is when they're unorganized and there isn't a path and people get into the membership and they're really confused and frustrated. So what you need to actually do is think of a membership like a course where you have a path from point A to point B, there is an actual educational program that takes them from where they are to where they want to be, step by step to get them a result. Just because it's a membership doesn't mean that people will pay monthly, yearly, whatever, and you just throw a bunch of crap in the membership. That's not how it works. 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They feel like they're failing because there's so much information. They feel like they're falling behind, and then they just give up and they cancel. So yes, unorganized memberships don't sell anymore, but organized step by step path programs within a membership model do still sell. Okay. Digital product number two. That doesn't sell anymore. Is courses. Okay. Hear me out. I can literally hear the hate through my lens as I'm recording right now. But hear me out. Those of you watching this that know me, know that I have made millions of dollars from digital products and courses. Okay, so yes, there was a time when I loved courses. Courses were my favorite thing. And can courses still sell? Yes, I'm sure it's possible for them to still sell, but hear me out because I personally think that memberships are the new course. I think that memberships are just a course with a better pricing and business model. Because if you think about it, what is a course? A course is a program, right? But the thing that sucks about courses is that people only pay you once, or they do a payment plan, but then they're done paying. And what do courses need? Continual updates, especially if you're teaching something like social media or AI or something that is changing rapidly. And so it can be frustrating when people pay you for a course and, you know, years from now, you still have to keep making updates and they're still getting access to that, but they're no longer paying you. And it's frustrating as a business owner because you're making updates that you're not getting paid for, and it's not the customer's fault. It's your fault for not having a better pricing and a better business model. I have learned this the hard way, and this is why now my signature product is a membership. And yes, I do have a program inside my membership that, you know, could be sold as a course, but I choose to sell it as a membership because as the business owner, I will be able to have better longevity and stability in my business. if I am getting our monthly recurring revenue now, we have different pricing tiers monthly and yearly. And so we do get recurring payments, you know, not just monthly but also yearly. But this is so helpful for the business because we're not starting every single month at zero like we would with a course. And also we are actually incentivized to make more updates to keep more members. So not only does it help us as a business, but it also helps the customers because I believe that memberships provide a better program and better help for their customers because the business owner is actually incentivized and paid to continually work on retention and in turn, make the program better, help the students more get more results. whereas with the course it's frustrating for both parties because a lot of people will buy a course and never gets updated. The end of the story or the course keeps getting updated, and the business owner isn't really getting paid for that, right? so personally, to me courses are dead. I prefer memberships and again, I think courses and memberships are the same thing. 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