12. How One Man's Camp Dream Sparked Friendship and Fun - Camp Runabout with Bill Reifsnyder

Season 2: Episode 12

What if your next vacation felt more like recess than responsibility? In this episode, I sit down with Bill Heinrich, founder of Camp Runabout—a summer camp for adults that’s equal parts movement, connection, and pure joy. We talk about the magic of gathering grown-ups in cabins, how running is very optional, and why karaoke with backup dancers might just be the healing modality we all need.

Whether you’re craving a break from your routine or dreaming of finding your people, this convo is your permission slip to play again. Come for the camp vibes, stay for the contagious joy.

Today we talk about:

• Why adults desperately need recess too
• The origin story of Camp Runabout and how it became a joy-filled movement
• How connection, movement, and laughter can transform your mental health
• Why Camp Runabout is not about being athletic—but about being yourself
• The surprising power of shared silliness (hint: karaoke with backup dancers)
• How Bill turned a passion into a purpose-driven community
• The magic that happens when people feel safe to play again

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Transcript

What's up world? Welcome to Joyfully you. I'm your host, Amy Dickens, professional filmmaker, part
time goofball, and full time believer that adults deserve recess, too. I'm here to reconnect you with joy
and play so you can show up as your most vibrant, real, and ridiculously you self. This podcast is your
permission slip to be silly. Shake off the blahs and remember that play isn't just for kids. It's actually how
we come back to life. And yes, we're gonna get goofy as hell while we do it. We'll be diving into the
good stuff, chatting with inspiring guests who are experts in play, bringing more lightness, creativity, and
fun into the world, and exploring why play isn't just nice to have. It's literally essential for your wellbeing. So wherever you're at in your life journey. Welcome, and let's dive on in and have some fun.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to Joyfully You. Today I have a really special guest that I'm so excited to talk
is Bill from Camp Runabout. It's a summer camp for adults. It's an amazing, magical place. It's all
running, but it's centered more fun and connection rather than competition. And today, we're really going
to focus the adults and movement, and how spaces like can kind of create that secret recipe for like,
highway to deeper connections in this world just so connection starved, like everywhere I go. And he
sent me this line in the last email he sent that I absolutely loved. And it was the miles are optional, the
laughter is the memories last a lifetime. Our motto says it all a little running, a lot of fun. And I was like,
ah, yeah, this guy gets it so good. Um, and I just really love this. One of a kind of experience. It sounds
like he's creating. And these spaces where people have fun all of the sweet, belonging things that all of us
want to experience in this So I am so excited to talk to you, Bill, and get to know you. And I know
personally when I walk around and, you know, talk about like I am just curious and inspired about adult
summer camps. Most I run into reaction of what? didn't even know that was a thing that existed, adults.
And you know, some people are like curious about it. Some people are like, what? That seems ridiculous
or, you know, all of the things. So I'd love to know a little bit about maybe moment where you need to a
ups. Sure. Well, first of all, Amy, thank you for having a little bit about my background. was a runner
and a former I was a professional runner a couple of national championships in the marathon. But more
kind of transitioned to me into a career. So worked for a national running magazine. I worked for Adidas,
both at headquarters in Germany and at their US headquarters I've been a race director. I've been a coach
for runners of all ages and abilities, so I've kind been around the running industry for a long I've kind of
been hanging around runners and talking to a the idea for Camp Runabout came I was watching Shark
was another camp that pitched a comparable of renting fully summer it was just for just kind of young
kids who wanted to go and have a good time. And I like the idea about what the twist. I wanted to do
more for demographic and for runners, in there as my was my thought. And so I immediately after
watching that next day, I started to do research and I started to camps and to do site just kind of build on
itself. was lucky enough to find some great staff members. I was going out to local Wagner races and
trying to promote the and I two of my was a sports psychologist and a nutritionist that wow, this is
amazing, but you need some then I have a, know, another who actually works for me. When I worked for
a company called Run was an online publishing she, she was there. So I had three staff members before I
ever started. And they're with me to this we've just built on that. Most of my staff are people who to camp
and who are amazing people who have a specific skill set that just brings added we just invited them to
come been very, very lucky that we So from from massage therapists Zumba instructors, yoga
instructors, arts and instructors, instructors and nutritionists and sports we've been very, very lucky to
find some talented people that just add to that, that amazing experience you have once you get to camp.
Yeah, I love that. I'm also I'm just kind of like, blown away right now that you literally just saw
something on Shark You had this idea, and then you said the next day you were just Literally, it was the
next day. It was literally the next day. I mean, I was a great idea, and I literally. The next day got up and
started. Within a week I was visiting my first camp. So inspiring. Yes. It's so cool. So, I love that. you
know, but but for me, it kind of brought together. So I'm in I'm that's what I, what I do for a living. And
so I've, you know, I've built a lot of websites for people. you know, it combined all of my experience and
all of my passions and mine. And I think whenever you have an opportunity to kind your, your, your
passion and your profession, you should follow Um, wholeheartedly. I was able to, you know, I, you
know, probably before I that first thing I was designing the logo, what you see in my head, I was starting
to build the I'm starting to think about how I'm going to market it all came together very quickly because
I did all of I think I started in February, my first, you know, my first camp was in September, which is
not a lot of time to kind of start a business from the ground up and get it, you know, and get it going and
find a location and sign the contracts and find places to run. Once you get there. you know, we have a lot
of vendors that come in, bartenders to musicians to, you know, a lot of folks. um, I really didn't open up
registration until maybe three months before isn't long, because now I opened it months before camp to
give people enough time plan the other thing is when I did it originally, I put it it's in the Pocono
Mountains, which kind of halfway Philadelphia and New York. And that's where I. And that's really what
I thought I would do. I'd pull people the greater Philadelphia, the Tri-State, New York, new Jersey It
didn't end up that way. Not whatsoever. It's just people come from all over the So we've had people from
Alaska, from California. We probably had pretty much state. So people fly into rent a car, drive another
hour and a half up to the mountains, have an amazing experience, and then kind unwind and then go back
home. Wow, I love that. So it's like people are this. They're they're like, there's a desire for this all
around. It's Why do you think that, we call it. Yeah, we call it your truncation. or on occasion I love it.
what do you find like among the gold people that you've been seeing far and near? Like, what is it that
they're, in this, like, adult summer camp kind of experience that they're not going to get in a normal
vacation? you know, it kind of ended up the way I planned from the beginning because, I mean, I call
running the kind of the original social media before social media ever existed because it's I view running
was never The Running is never about getting from point A to point B as fast as you Running is about the
camaraderie of the you know, and I think it's just an excuse that something you have to do to get to the I
just wanted to create adults, an to get together and to share their passion and to hang out with like minded
in a fun way that around competition. That wasn't a I think that's what I, you know, I think it's, you know,
I find and a lot of people come groups I've had a group from Wisconsin that came multiple years that had
people in a lot of people come by themselves. And as soon as they get there, we put you in cabins. We
have both we have private rooms. So if you really want to be by yourself or if you're coming with other,
you can get a private room. real experience is when you come to summer camp is when we put you in a
cabin with other you immediately make right? And those friends not only become your best friends at
camp, but because, you know, our campers, we have camp run about alumni where they they hang out
and they talk to each other, and they plan to go to races and they meet at other places outside camp. I
have campers who eight people in a cabin who didn't know each who come back in subsequent request
not only to be with the same eight to be in the exact same every you really do. I mean, it's pretty cool.
And favorite thing, my absolute favorite thing about Camp is seeing the transition of people from the
beginning to the end. you know, people kind of walk in and they like, you know, some people are you
know, scared deer in the headlights and they're like, what am I getting myself into? I don't know, I've
never done anything like this. And by day two and then we have karaoke on the last night for a reason is
because people every night. They just kind of bond and they let go a little bit And our version of karaoke
is like nothing you've ever I mean, it's not one person up there. I mean, there's there's no fewer than five
people on the stage. Any time with backup dancers, it gets pretty, it gets it gets it gets a lot of I love that.
That's just resonate with that so much because I used to also travel around and, you know, be staying
sometimes in places with like other people in the room. And there is that magic that happens when it's
forced in a room with some strangers just create from that. And what do you is your perspective on, like,
what is secret sauce, magical element that because I feel like we can work with people or we see people
constantly in our normal regular lives, you know, in homes, towns friendships for years with people or
like, you know, it's like, oh, like acquaintance level. is the difference kind of thing between that and
everyday life to make I think it's a number of I think I mean, part of it is there's a common thread that
they're all runners, so they do have something in the get Even though that is not the focus of it. as you
mentioned, our motto is a little a lot of and we get a lot of people who aren't and they and there's no
judgment and they get along just as well as with everyone else because we do our run in the that's kind of
a war of attrition, too, because people kind of stay up late and have a good time. So there's a lot of people
in day one and less people on day two and less people day three getting on the bus for the morning a lot
of people just come with maybe I have a running friend, but I'm not a runner. Can I still come? And they
come and they either you can either stay back at camp and get a couple extra hours, a little bit more
sleep, you can. Or they come out to the room with us and they just do a walk through nature. you know,
our runs are just everyone starts at the same all all abilities. I mean, we have everything you know, you
have to be 21 because we serve alcohol, up to people. And they're their you know, so when we do run or
walk in the morning, everyone just starts at the same time when we when they get back and we fill up us,
we take that back to camp and then we fill the second bus. We take that back to camp, just kind of give
them a time frame, be back around this they just go out and they run fast or slow or they walk they
choose their own distance. So really non-competitive, non-judgmental, very I think that's one thing I
think there's that commonality. But, but even even the people who runners still. So that's not the only
secret to the source. I think the other way is the way we have You know, we're very welcoming. We're
very fun. When you check in, the first thing you do is you walk the check in table and we hand you a
glass of champagne and there's music playing in the background. So I think people get okay, is okay.
This is good. You know, I just traveled a long way, but I'm, you know, I've been here and I'm drinking a
glass of you know, and and we don't. organized fun, but it's not organized fun. So we have a lot of We
have kayaking, canoeing, stand up paddle high ropes courses, zip line arts and crafts classes, massage.
You know, we have Zumba classes and yoga classes during the we have, you know, our swimming pool
and our waterfront. Everything is open all the and it's up to you to choose what you want to do. So a lot
of people will go to their favorite activity and stay there all day a lot of people will bounce around and
just kind of try a little bit of And if you're at your if your idea of a good time is coming to camp and you
know, sitting underneath a shaded tree or sitting on the the porch of your cabin and just catching up on a
on your favorite book, that's okay too. Right. We provide everything and it's up to the people, so there's
no to you know, anything or everything or, you know, it's really kind of up to you to make your own
schedule. But we provide all the fun and people do. Then we have some big group activities. One of our
favorite things we do and that campers love is we have a Camp where the camp is divided into teams and
they compete each other and the quintessential summer camp things. So potato sack races and three
legged races and tug of we do, we do. And there's no pressure to do this because not everyone does every
event. We have a beer mile relay race at the end of that, which it's, you know, people embrace that you
know, and then in the evenings we have entertainment, you know, we have karaoke. One night we have a
theme And when I started the theme party, I'm like, oh, these are dogs coming from afar. And I'm not
sure if they're going to dress up, 95% of the camp dresses up. So our our theme for this camp coming up
in four it's disco cowgirl or disco we've done this and we've done a hold down in the past. So we're just
going to kind of combining the two of them. But you know, and I was getting bugged. I had to hurry up
and pick one because everyone's like what's the theme? I need to get shopping. I need to get my outfit.
What is it? but so I mean, bottom line is, you know, we have a lot of fun. We have campfires with
s'mores. We have people, you know, live, live musicians. We have DJs in the Like I said, we have an
open You know, when you get to the camp, it's all You stay in cabins, all your meals are served there. we
cater to every dietary you really don't have to worry anything. It's kind of it's kind of a bubble and you
forget about the world outside of it for a couple of days. We, we have we have tears that are shed at the
end of it that people don't want to you know, as I mentioned before we started, we'll 30% of our campers
who sign up for any given camp will sign up for next year's while they're still at this Wow. Yeah, huge.
I'm like, you're making me want to go right now. This sounds so fun. I mean, is there really is something
I think to. always call it the only have to make, like, the one big decision rather than, like, a lot of little
decisions. It's like, okay, people only have to make the one big decision, I need to go to camp. And then
they get there and they're at this place okay, there's already the structure and the all the things are there
for me. I don't have to, be in my town and think, okay, how do I, or kayaking or karaoke or set up an
Olympics? Because that's not happening in my town. It's like, oh, it's just all I just get to either say
something I want to do or I'm not really feeling. yeah yeah. Even at the waterfront, we will do a tug of
war in the canoes where the canoes are facing each way. And we have a rope and they're just canoeing a
tug Oh, of I love it. and, you know, and then we've got very lucky to define amazing So, I mean, the
places that we go to are fully summer camps. So in the summer you have 600 kids there. You're staying
at the same place, the same cabin. So all that infrastructure, the ziplines, the waterfronts, the canoes, the
kayaks, the stand up paddleboards, they're already there. And they, you know, they have amazing cooks
and and chefs kind build the, you know, build everything about, you know, around our desires. They
move things around for us. So they help a and so it's, that's that's great too. That's great. A lot of people
think, wow, you own all this. It's like, no, we just kind of come in and rent it to hold our, our little camp,
you know, twice a but it is, it is truly amazing. And it's and it's it's beautiful. It's, it's once you get there, I
think that's the thing. Once you get there, once you walk onto that campus and once you're, it is like
break through this imaginary barrier where life behind you just kind of escapes immediately and you're
you know, and all that stress and whatever's going on in your personal life is immediately left behind.
totally. And you're, like, talking about the transformation. I can just, feel it. Or I'm like, wow, are
immersed in this new environment and, like, each day, I'm sure that passes. It's just like more and more
transformation happens or it's like, oh, I'm Right. And that's and that's why I think so many people sign
up for camp while they're still at camp. They're like, I don't want this to I'm signing up for next year.
Right now, I don't want this to and if you look at our Facebook page, you know, the biggest advocates we
have are our campers. So like what you mentioned, like just that first step, just do it. If you read through
our pages and people asking questions, it's not even us answering their questions. It's other Just like
they're just like just like I can't help myself. So like, you know, I was in your position too, and I struggled
with how to do just do it. You won't regret it. Just do Yeah. Yeah, totally. I'm every year there's probably
new that are scared to sign up and then, you know, they're like in the comments kind of thing. But then
the people that are scared showing up for the first time, do you find that there's like you know, return
campers are kind of like, oh, like, let me help, like welcome you and create this warm, welcoming
environment that creates feeling and environment and community of safety that allows for fun and the
transformation and all of Yeah. So we do a couple of things to to make people kind of mingle. So if we,
if you come in a large group, we'll put you in the same cabin if you come an individual one other We
kind of put you we put those people in cabins also come as So all you know, you might in our cabins are
They can hold 16 to 20 people, but we typically don't put more than eight people in a And we do some
bigger cabins. So if we have big groups, we'll put you in there. you know, we're adults and, you know,
I'm assuming people don't want to sleep in the top bunk. Some people do. I'm like, heck yeah, I haven't
done this in forever. I'm sleeping up there, but you don't have to. So we only put people in bottom our
private rooms have queen but it's cabins. It's cabins. It's not a hotel. Right. They all have bathrooms in the
cabins. Questions we get all the time. You have electricity. You have bathrooms. Each cabin will 3 or 4
showers and 3 or but we do, you know, by putting, putting those people to come by themselves together.
And then our kick off activity is an icebreaker where we break people up into teams, and that's where we
try to break up. If you with a group, we don't keep you with your group for you know? And that serves
to, you know, a couple of purposes just to get to know people. And then we do activities around a
scavenger hunt around the whole camp. And you have to, you know, you get to learn the layout of the
camp pretty quickly. But by the end of that, I mean, you know, people are already I mean, they're already
it's like they've known each other just within the few hours of yeah. The magic of like a facilitated
activity that like, with strangers, she's like, oh, we gotta work play through this thing to do kind melts
away all of the walls and the masks that we all wear kind of I'm to know, do you feel like is like story
that's Yeah. like. Oh, how? Like two people connecting that came as strangers or like fun, like people
like laughing, bonding activity Well, you know what I mean. There's so many amazing stories mothers
and daughters who live on opposite sides of the country, who meet every year at to people who fought
fought and just beat cancer. And this is how they're rewarding themselves, is to come to camp, run I
mean, the stories are endless. They're we get a lot of we get a lot of, a lot of a lot of amazing stories that,
you know, kind you almost get tear in your eye thinking about some of them. But, you know, it's great to
not only to have to provide venue and activity and event brings joy to people's lives, but provide
something people can really use it either to get together with loved ones or to celebrate some
achievement in you know, that's that's something I really didn't think about when I started this, but that's
just that's just an amazing Yeah. Wow. That was, like, way more of, like, a sweet, touching, inspirational
answer to that than I was expecting. And I'm like, wow. My heart. I am so inspired by all of this. And
how the shared movement, all of and how all of feels to you, maybe an unexpected that it helps people
connect versus I feel like normally what we do is we like small I'm guessing that there's not a lot of like
the small talk I'm imagining does not last for very long in these kind of places. It's like you kind of get to
the like where, you know, like connecting or we're like doing the deep talk kind of thing. Well, I think
it's, you know, I think when you get there, if you come with somebody either kind you know, you stay
over, over to the side with the person you, you, you came with. But that brings up, you know, and just
having a conversation with them little groups that that breaks up really I mean, like I said, that last night
at karaoke is is one you can't tell anybody who came with anybody else. It's just one It's almost like a
show that you paid to see the things that are going on at stage that that final night, but all barriers are
broken down and that happens every single day. Every single day, every single and like I said, that is my
favorite thing about all of camp is just love and the camaraderie and the breaking the barriers you know,
everyone coming together and just, you know, it's It's happened. It's the same every And the other
phenomenon, which I will something I don't market it this and I didn't anticipate it. It's 90% Really?
Wow. Why do you think that Every every single camp is the same 90. And I think I and I don't quite
understand it. I'm assuming that women are more likely to kind of be more adventurous or to grab their
friends and let's have a girls weekend I keep teasing, I need to market this to men, saying I have a camp
full of women. But yeah, it's every, every, every camp from the first camp in 2017 to, you know, we're
we're on campus 12 or 13 or now or whatever it every camp has been the same ratio, 90%. Wow. And
that's for, people coming in groups and, like, solo people coming. It's like. Individuals, whatever. It's
always the same ratio. Yeah. Wow. That. I would not have expected that. Yeah. That's especially I didn't,
nor did Yeah, like it's over. Like running and like, I don't know, it has this like, you masculine kind of
edge to it I'd imagine with that but You would think. Yeah. Well, you would think with some of the
activities, the zipline and the, you know, high rope scores which is also a cool thing because I, we, you
know, gives the opportunity to either try new things or try things they never thought they would do to get
outside of that comfort zone. you know, the zipline, you've got to climb up there and get on top of a
platform and you know, you're you're tethered in. But I mean, it's a it can be a little scary. once again,
those little triumphs and we we always watch, we give camp awards just like, you know, just summer
camps you know, so every every camp, we give camp awards and we, we kind of follow our staff keeps
our eyes out the whole camp. some of them are the inspirational stories that we told you about. Some of
them are stories of people who came in like that. You know, that scared deer at the beginning and just
camp and all and all that we have to offer, or some of them are just funny things that happened at camp
that we observed. um, we do give camp awards and they're always just I mean, there's no one and there's
no end to the amount of awards that we could give out. There's so fun things or amazing things or
inspirational things that happen at every Wow. How many people are there? on average. Every Um. It
depends on the year. Um, you know, the economy the last couple of years have kind of pushed us down a
little bit, but we'll about 75 people at this camp, Oh, wow. you know, coming up in June. We've had as
much as Wow. That's an awesome group. now it's a good group. It's a good group. That's amazing. And
he said it's like three days, so like. Or is it. The three days you check in between 1 and 4. And then we
kind of start our on Thursday. So Thursday is kind of a somewhat chill. We do our icebreaker activity
that we told you Then we come back, we have happy hour and then we and then usually that night we
just have a campfire and people are making s'mores. We have a live musician who's singing, singing in
the background. And yeah, we have all of our cornhole games and everything set up because a lot of
people traveled you know, and some people are tired. So we keep that night pretty then we start the full
days of activity. Then on Friday we get out, we do our run, we all the sessions are open. So all those
activities I mentioned are all open and people can just kind of do what they want to do. And then we back
for lunch and then we have another session where the whole camp is then we have, you know, we, you
know, happy hour dinner and then we have our evening activities. Friday night is theme night is karaoke
Fine. Wow, that sounds amazing. I also. Okay. Do you market it as a transformational event because you,
like, mentioned it a couple of times in here and I'm I'm always talking about play and like when we're in
playful kind of environment and then we also get to face our fears because a lot of times the things that
are sound fun are also equally terrifying to another part of us. And through facing that and then also
having fun through it, I find that we grow and transform like, almost like a highway to it. You know, we
you know, we try appease to I think the biggest thing that we have when marketing is people overcoming
that And you know, to what you mentioned once again, that fear of clicking the button and doing it once,
they don't. We've never had one person say, I regretted making this decision. but you know, when you're
sitting at your home and you've never done anything and you're intrigued and it sounds exciting, but, oh,
I don't know. You know, I don't know. So it's really getting people past that to So you know what we do.
I mean, you know, and it's also called Camp Runabout. But we also let people know, you don't have to be
a runner. You don't. And you'll fit right and you don't have to be. And if you are a runner, you don't have
to be a good runner. we literally have all all non runners. I mean, the only thing you have to have is just a
readiness to have a good time when you get there, Yeah. What are some of the things that you say?
Because to people who are thinking about joining Camp Runabout, or maybe they have like some other
kind of thing that sounds equal fun to like half of them and terrifying to another half of them. Like, what
would you say to those kinds of people that are in that, like waiting room limbo space of like, I don't
know how to make this I mean, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, I mean, experience. I mean, and and
and we've, like I said, the fact that we any given camp is 30 to 40% alumni that just keep coming back
and keep coming back and keep coming. I think that speaks for itself. I think if you go to our Facebook
page and the fact that people are asking us questions and we don't even get the chance to answer before
campers jump in and answer them, say, just do it, just do it. This was me. I've done this. it's it's absolutely
no pressure. There's no pressure to do anything or everything. Once you get We there's there's tons of
things to There's tons of fun. And you get to decide what what you want to I mean, I we've had some
campers a couple of years it was a was a husband and a and they didn't do a lot of They just kind of
walked around the whole time. We just see them walking together down the path and through nature and
not doing a lot of this stuff. And they were kind of quiet and reserved we thought, gosh, they're having a
horrible time. They came back year after year after year, and that's all they wanted out of They just
wanted to be there, be with they were runneth be with like minded people. They didn't have they didn't
need to or want to do all the activities. They do some of the activities, but they just wanted to kind be
there and be around like minded people and be out in nature and unwind, and that's great. I mean, so
whatever you want to get out of camp, you that's up to you, you know, you can do everything you can do.
You know, we have some people who just. I love the zip line, and they're on it every day, all day. They
never leave it. We have people who love arts and crafts or they want to be at the pool. And we have
people who jump from one activity to the next, to the next, to the next and do a little bit of everything. So
really the fun is there and it's up to you to kind of make your own Yeah. It's so great. It's like a place
where you get to just like be a kid again. But as an adult really I don't know. Let that inner desire. want to
do hours in class right now actually I really want to do artistic crafts now I want to go, try this other thing
and just the curiosity and the exploration. It's all the fun of summer camp, a traditional summer camp
with the benefit of having an adult beverage in the I That's That's so sweet. I, I was just so grateful that
you created this whole experience and opportunity. And I hope more and more and more people get to
about all of these places, because I think that they are, as you're saying, they're not just like fun and
vacation. It's also transformation and just better people in this world. It's Yeah, well, I mean, you are We
would love to have you there. And we will be opening, as I mentioned before, one outside of Asheville,
probably in So, I mean, the initial goal then that was our initial plan was to open the Pennsylvania, then
open them kind of a bunch around the country and just different. And then I lived in North Carolina. I'm
back in Pennsylvania now, but North Carolina was always my second location. And then we had in the
Pacific Northwest, up in New England, out by the Rocky Mountains. In the Midwest. We have a bunch
Camps that could be potential already Um, you know, then Covid hit and we've had, you know, so we've
kind of stuck to Pennsylvania. I did have the North Carolina I signed contracts for that, and that was on
its way. Then Covid hit and I had to cancel a bunch of my Pennsylvania camps during Covid. So that
never got off the ground. but Asheville, outside of Asheville, North Carolina, will be coming in amazing.
We're all really excited about Is there anything else that you'd love to tell our beautiful listeners about
camp for and about about yourself or any of play and the fun and any. now, I mean, if you want to do it, I
think the biggest thing is just sign up and you won't regret it and regret it. I mean, um, we do offer group
discounts if you come with three or more do offer an installment plan, which allows you to four equal
payments over four we have a camp rideshare group. A lot of campers use that. So they're flying into
Newark. Um, because, you know, you still have an hour to have drive. You know, by the nature of the
beast, you want to be up, up in the mountains and in nature. So we're not close to airports, Um, so a lot
of, a lot of our campers will say, hey, I'm flying into Newark, I'm landing around there. Anybody else
landing? And then they jump in a car and rent a car, and they drive up to the mountains Then they drive
back from camp to the airport so we have that we have an alumni group, but any questions you have, you
you can ask them on our Facebook page. Page. You can you can email us directly at info at Camp you
know, we're here to answer and happy to answer any of your questions. And other than that, it's just, you
kind of break, break, you know, break down that wall, sign up and you won't regret it. Absolutely. Yeah.
We'll put all of the information to stay in contact with you or reach out in the show notes. Is there any
like social media Facebook kind of things that people like just listening. Um, you'd like them to know.
Yeah. Well, we have a Facebook. We have a Facebook and I would I you know, definitely if you're if
you want to know more the best place you can go, I mean, you can go to our website which is simply
can't run About.com our Instagram you know, you know, I can't run about in our in our Facebook page, I
have tons of content, tons of videos, and the videos will be a great way to to kind of see and get a good
idea of what it's actually like. And seeing actually real campers have an amazing time. that should answer
any of your Yeah that's great. Just to like get a feel for it and be like oh this is for Wow. Well thanks so
much for being here today Bill. creating Well, thank you camp I and all of it. Yeah. We we appreciate
Yeah. It's Yeah. Well thank you so much. And have the rest of your Thanks y'all truly from the bottom of
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