Me and We
In the “Me & We” podcast, we learn to develop our “me” as we influence our “we”. How do we have less suffering and more fun in whatever situation we find ourselves in? How do we take action based on our values? Can we be who we are with more ease? Hosts Bonnie Macbride and Mallika Bush share frames and tools with real-life examples, offering this podcast to help you access your life energy, make use of your emotions, and find more satisfaction in your life and relationships.
In season one, you will learn the 9 building blocks that Bonnie Macbride has developed. These frames and tools can be applied to every context through relationships, with a particular focus on primary, intimate partnerships.
Me and We
#34 - A Complete Unknown (Skill Application)
Skill Application with "A Complete Unknown"
Episode Summary:
Join us as we explore the fascinating dynamics and nuanced relationships portrayed in the Bob Dylan biopic. Using the "me" and "we" framework, we examine Dylan's orientation to his independent self and how it shaped his interactions with others throughout the film. From his creative brilliance to the tensions with Sylvie and with Joan, we explore how the character of Dylan navigated connections while following his inner compass.
We also explore pivotal moments, such as Joan’s attempt at a collaborative approach during a concert and how Seeger’s wife helped diffuse a climactic conflict. This discussion also speculates on alternative ways characters could have approached Dylan using experimental tools like "willing, wanting, committing" or "boxing into our dilemma" to foster more productive dialogues, or at least to have a little more satisfaction in the moment.
Key Points Discussed:
- "Me" vs. "We" Framework
Dylan’s interactions often demonstrate a "me-focused" approach, prioritizing his creative needs over relational dynamics. Not that it's wrong! While he formed meaningful bonds (e.g., with Woody), many other relationships were influenced by his self-driven nature.
- Dylan’s Independent Self
Dylan’s strength lay in his unwavering commitment to his artistic vision, even when it clashed with external expectations and relationships. He confidently carved his path, climatically exemplified in the movie by his transition to electric guitar at the 1965 folk festival.
- Joan’s Strategy – Collaboration & Growth
Joan’s character adapted over time, finding ways to compete with Dylan while standing her ground. Her ability to respect Dylan’s artistry yet advocate for her own approach is a testament to navigating relationships with strong-willed individuals.
- Seeger and Alternate Approaches
We reflect on how Seeger might have bridged the gap with Dylan by "boxing him into a dilemma" or experimenting with collaborative goals instead of pushing his own agenda.
- Relational Influence at Climactic Moments
A critical scene depicting Seeger’s wife intervening during an intense moment highlights the significance of grounding actions in values and mutual respect, fostering clarity amidst conflict. And demonstrates how a developed system of a dyad can be easier to work in that the larger systems we want to influence.
Why This Episode is a Must-Listen:
- Gain insights into the "me" and "we" relationship framework.
- Learn what makes Dylan’s artistic brilliance so compelling—and challenging to connect with.
- Explore the importance of experimenting with relational dynamics when collaborating with visionary individuals.
- Reflect on how values and accountability can transform interpersonal and systemic tensions.
Listen now to uncover Dylan’s layered world and how his
Bonnie's book is available in paperback!
"Me And We: Finding Your Voice and Influencing Relational Interactions"
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Bonnie's Website: bonniemacbride.com
Mallika's Website: rootedrelationships.com
Thank you to Jessica Carson Chen for the music for the show.
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Thank you to Positron Productions for producing and editing the show.