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Velocity Based Training

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In this episode we discuss VBT or Velocity Based Training, a relatively new and exciting method for creating explosive power in high level and recreational athletes. We discuss why you need power and dive into the ways we are using it in our gym to get buy in and objective results! 

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Welcome to the Chain Effect Podcast, where a physical therapist and a dietitian married with two kids juggle the struggle of running a business, raising a family, and prioritizing our own health, all while trying to have as much fun as possible.

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We're your hosts, Taylor Pope, doctor of physical therapy, and

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Caroline Pope, registered dietitian.

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Together, we own and operate a health facility bringing together physical therapists, dietitians, personal trainers, and active recovery services to create what we call...

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The chain effect. Woo! I'm wiped. I'm glad you're running this podcast mostly today.

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Yeah, this is going to be more of a Taylor episode today. Well, tell us why you're running so ragged.

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Oh my gosh, these kids are controlling me. Only me, not daddy.

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No, no, no.

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Well, you know, the AC was broken, I wasn't sleeping. Mm-hmm. I hit my shins attempting a box jump the other night in a workout and just wrecked my shins. I don't know if anyone has done that. I've heard horror stories. When the trainer saw me do it, rushed over, they immediately started swelling. Now I've got huge swollen bruises all down both legs and cuts.

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I told one of my clients about it. They were like, Oh yeah, that's my worst nightmare.

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And now I'm sad because I love box jumps and now I'm going to be terrified. Yeah. Like PTSD the rest of my life from doing it. I'll probably just step up now,

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which is so fine, but got to start a little lower. I

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think

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it was low. I

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think I just didn't realize how fatigued I was by the end. And it was at the end. And also, you know, my hips were really sore. I'll send you that. So I wonder if I just didn't have the like mobility that I usually do. Anyways, that and the kids are controlling me and I'm mentally preparing for summer, which I'm super excited about. Summer is like I love summer and I'm ready to take things a little slower and have the kids more at home. And I'm planning all these activities, but it's a lot like interrupting their fights.

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Yeah, but it's hot. You know, you might want to put your hair up.

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Oh

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my

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gosh.

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Yeah. You know, you might want to put your hair up. Our younger. That's a problem.

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That three year old phase. I remember Bennett doing it too, but they both went through this trying to control mommy, not daddy, mommy. So every time now it's not only me put my hair up, it's when I put it down to Tali doesn't like change. Yeah. It's like, put your hair back up. Why is your hair down? Why? Like this morning he's like, let me crawl on your back. Turn around. Let me crawl on your back. I'm like, why? He's like, I'm going to take your clip out of your hair. Put your hair down. The funniest though was a few weeks back where he pressed, I was inside and I guess I had put my hair up to do laundry or something and the window was open or he could see me from outside. I think you were outside

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with him playing. Yeah.

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Yeah, storm door was open so he could see the glass door. He could see me through it. They were playing outside. I think you were outside. They were doing their scooter and their bikes and everything. All of a sudden I hear against the glass and he was smushing his face up against the glass and his big lips were like, put your hair back down.

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Control.

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Anyone else have toddlers and feel controlled? I'm with you. And Bennett used to freak out if I would put a different bathrobe on because I love my bathrobes in the house. He's like, put the blue one on. No, put it back on if I got in my regular clothes. And Tali this morning said also same thing. He's like, put your PJs back on. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, and he's always like, he's always, you know, trying to get me like, he's like, daddy, you're not wearing a shirt to go to bed. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to wear a shirt. He's like, you need to wear a shirt.

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Okay. They think we wear everything they wear. Anyways, I'm worn out. So speaking of control.

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Speaking of control. And also, Hey, speaking of getting you up on that box again,

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we're

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going to talk a little bit about, it's

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going to take a little while.

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Yeah. We're going to talk a little bit about power. And specifically, we're going to talk about velocity-based training, VBT.

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What is that? Tell us all about that.

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We're going to dive deep. We're going to dive deep into the science. And honestly, the science goes way deeper than we're going to get today, but we're going to get through a little bit of an introduction and then how we've been using it in the gym at Chain Effect. And frankly, I think it's awesome. And if there's athletes out there who are playing competitive sports and you've never heard of velocity-based training, you need to learn about it because it is what I like to call like the fourth metric. And so if we think about lifting weights, we think about the weight itself, how many sets we're doing, how many reps, but velocity-based training allows us to measure the intention in each rep. So like how much effort we're giving to the same rep. And we use a system called Output, which has a really nice display. And so every single rep, we're measuring the speed, the average speed that the rep was completed in. And it gives us, you know, we can set up different zones and we can set the amount of reps. And so while you're doing the set, it's showing you, okay, that was a good rep. That was a bad rep. And we're going to get into that a little bit

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more.

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Um, and then it gives you an average power rating at the end. So you can sort of track your sets up against each other and measure over time. So, you know, why do we, why do we care about that? Why do we care about power? Why do we care about velocity based training? Well, Dr. Brian Mann, who was kind of a pioneer of velocity-based training, he was approaching athleticism with the idea that he would work with college D1 programs and try to draw a correlation between the most explosive athletes or the fastest and the athletes that could jump the highest and who could lift the most weight. And what he found was that there was almost no correlation between between who could lift the most weight in the gym and who could jump the highest and who could run the fastest. But when they started to measure velocity and added that metric in, all of a sudden there was a direct correlation between the speed at which athletes could move a lot of weight and how fast they could run and how high they could jump. So we were drawing these direct correlations between power and explosiveness on the field. And then after tracking this for a certain amount of time, they started to develop these different thresholds that athletes, depending on what speed they were moving the weight in and what speed they were doing an exercise in, it started to have basically different speed and strength traits. And we'll get into that in a little bit, but, but it's, it's really cool. It's really, it's a, it's an awesome tool. Um, and I think some of the main benefits that, you know, the reasons to use it in the gym, um, one is a readiness to train. So basically our strength, we, we think about our strength as being the static thing and strength is not, it fluctuates day to day. actually moment to moment. And even in a single workout, you might be stronger at different points of your workout. And so when we're using this system, we're accumulating this data over the course of several training sessions. And let's say that we had a plan for you coming in to do the workout and we were going to try to hit some certain velocities during your workout. Let's just use trap bar deadlift as an example. We're going to do a deadlift workout and I put your normal warmup weight on there. And then all of a sudden you start doing the exercise and you're slow. You're not, you know, you're, you're after a few warmup reps, we start trying to speed it up a little bit and you're not hitting anywhere close to to the velocity that you were hitting in your previous workout.

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So it's not worth it to keep going. You want to lower the weight.

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Yeah. Well you, you may want to lower the weight, but really you just, you may want to make an adjustment and you may want to ask the athlete like, Hey, what's going on? Like, did you get a good night's sleep? Did you, um, you know, eat right before your workout? Um, did you do an extra workout the night before? You know, how are you feeling? Um, and yeah, When you start to see that trend line happening over time, it can be a sign of overtraining.

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Interesting.

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So, you know, you may need to sort of shift gears a little bit. And by tracking this data, you know, we can really see exactly what's going on with an athlete's workouts. Otherwise, like, yeah, sure, I can lift the weight, but I'm not lifting it nearly as fast as I was before.

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So is it beneficial?

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Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's really been a fit. Yeah. Is, is the exercise. Exactly.

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Yeah. What you're doing. You don't want to just keep doing the same weight every day. It's not, you're not doing it well.

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Right. Exactly.

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With as much power.

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Exactly. And so we can use that to, um, to estimate someone's readiness to train. And then we can also use it. Let's say we are, you know, we have a newer lifter and they're a little bit nervous about increasing the weight and they're a Well, we can do weight that they're comfortable with. And then over time, they're going to increase their velocity and thus increase their power, even lifting the same weight because they're going to be lifting it faster and faster. And so we can show them like, hey, even though we haven't increased the weight, we're showing that you're getting stronger because you're moving faster.

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And

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that goes into the second point, which is, Because of the research they've done on all of these different lifts, they've been able to show a direct correlation between the speed at which you're performing the lift and an estimation of your one rep max. So basically, if you're lifting the weight at a certain speed, they can then use that to figure out how close you are to your one rep max. And so this is... And granted, this is not going to be the same for every lifter. But they have basically been able to compile a good set of normative data between lots of different athletes. And what they've shown is that if you're giving max effort, and it's per exercise, because different exercises are going to have different velocity load profiles. But If you're basically, if you're lifting at, let's say, 0.76 meters per second, it's a pretty close indication that you're lifting right around 65% of your one rep max. So if you're giving it your absolute all and the data is reading that you're moving the weight at roughly 0.76 meters per second, then that If we were to take that, we're basically estimating that you're lifting 60% of your one rep max. And if let's say...

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So if you're trying to max out, you want to get up to that?

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Well, it's more of we can see how close you are to your diff... Yes, you can use that to estimate how high you can go without actually having to do a one rep max because... Doing a one rep max test is a lot is really physically demanding. And usually it's going to also require you to just basically do that for an entire workout and prepare for it. Yeah. But then it's also very like we're saying your one rep max one day is not going to be your one rep max the next day necessarily. So let's say you come in one day and you're doing 0.76 at a certain weight while your one rep max is basically, you know, that 60% of your one rep max, you can kind of figure out like where you're at with that strength that day. And let's say you come in the next day and it's less or it's more. Now you're going to be scaling your workout by, you know, basically using that as a threshold. So that's, that's one way to use it.

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And how you feel. So the higher the velocity, like the higher that number is, we're like, okay, you could keep going high. There's a good potential that you could go a lot

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heavier. You're in a good spot. Like you're going fast. So you're moving fast. If, if a lot of power, if our goal was to increase the amount of weight that you could lift. And if our goal is to basically, uh, increase your strength, we know that you're lifting around 60% of your one rep max. And so therefore we can safely increase this way. And you're basically giving them the feedback that, Hey, it's okay for us to go heavier. It's okay for us to put put more weight on the bar because the data is showing us, even though it feels hard, you can lift heavier. And that's, you know, based on the science of this and, and, and lifters that, you know, are approaching their one rep max. And it's different. Like power lifters have a lot of like really good technique. So they might be able to lift at a very, very slow velocity and still get the weight up. But most like, average lifters and athletes are going to lift right around like their one rep max around like 0.25 meters per second. So really slow or 0.3 meters per second. But you know, if you get an athlete in there and they're blasting off like one meter per second, you know, and they're like, yeah, this is what I normally do. Well, if, if they're in season or they're approaching like a big tournament, you might not want to mess with that because they're in, especially if they're like a basketball player or a soccer player or like a field athlete or

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in a good Yeah,

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you're going to want them to be hammering those lifts at a higher velocity, especially if they're approaching a big performance or a big tournament. But if they're more in their off-season and you're trying to build strength or you're trying to build muscular endurance, you might use that information a little bit differently. You might be okay with them hitting slower velocities and still increasing the weight over time. But when we were getting ready for our tournament last year, one of the things that we did, we said, okay, we've been lifting, we've been trying to increase the weight, and now we're eight weeks out from the tournament. And so every week we had a few different lifts that we were gonna track. So we would have basically a deadlift day, a squat day, And those were the two big compound lifts that we were going to track. And we were going to try to increase the velocity threshold that we were lifting those lifts at and maintain that threshold throughout the workout. So just to give you, for instance, we started out at 0.8 meters per second. And every time we increased the weight, we had to hit that 0.8 meters per second. So it was like, okay, so we had, we started out just to give you like some, just some numbers, but like warmup set was, you know, one 35 and then we put one 55 on every rep. You have to hit 0.8. Oh. And if for some reason you weren't able to increase the the weight and still hit that number, went back down, complete that last set. And that was it. So maybe that first, that first workout, you might raise the weight a little bit, but you're still not, you're not hitting that. that speed that you need to hit. And you know, it does, it's not beneficial to lift more weight. You're better off doing more sets at that lower weight, still hitting that same, that same velocity and that same power threshold.

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Yeah. Cause you're really working hard. I mean, I've done this a little bit with you and your heart rate's getting up and you're really with that power attribute. It is a totally different way to think about it.

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Yeah. Because you're going maximum intent every time you're not lift because you're not lifting slow and you're lifting with that maximal intention you do. It is very fatiguing. So we would do that one week. And then the next week, we increased the threshold 0.05. So now every lift has to be 0.85. And then the next week, increase it another. So every lift had to be 0.90. And then the next week was 0.95. And by the end, we were performing all of our lifts... using the same weight which is crazy we were doing the same weights that we were doing throughout the whole series at point it was like 1.15 was like our last week like right before the tournament and what was wild about that was that actually we were able to hit 1.15 at higher at with more weight than than we were when we started at 0.80.

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So that is a totally different way of using it. Like besides maxing out, it says there, you can do a lot of different training methods with it, which is cool. Like you were actually trying to get it higher.

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Yeah. We were trying to increase our speeds and we were trying to do it at higher because of our sport and that, and that kind of goes back to some of the work that they, um, initially did too, which was, um, Using these different speed thresholds to have different speed attributes. And so essentially what they figured out was that maximum strength was, if the attribute you were going after was maximum strength, you're basically lifting at somewhere below 0.5 meters per second.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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So if

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they break it up like

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that. Yeah. So if you're going, if your goal is maximum strength and you're lifting as heavy as you can, you're trying to increase that, then you're probably lifting somewhere below 0.5 meters per second. The next step up is strength speed. And that's from, um, 0.5 meters per second to 0.75 meters per second. So you're moving a relatively heavy load as fast as possible and And this will be a slower movement, but it's emphasizing moving the weight as fast as possible. So it's more weight and you're moving it as fast as possible. And so what you might think about with this is the offensive linemen in football. Their job is to come off the line and push like a really heavy object, the defensive linebacker or the defensive lineman, push him back over a period of time you know, a few seconds, drive that person back. And so they're maintaining a really heavy resistance for a longer period of time. But they're not actually trying to like run super fast. They're not trying to like, do like a big sprint and do a bunch of cuts. They're just trying to move this heavy weight. Like, yeah, like pushing a car. If you had to push your car up a hill, you'd be using this strength speed attribute. And then you get into the next one up, which is power. 0.75 to 1.0. And that is also moving a heavy load quickly, you know, as quickly as possible. But this is where you start to think about like your box jumps or, you know, are jumping off the ground as high, you know, as high as you can. Um, so a lot of like track and field athletes are going to use that. And then the next step up is speed strength, which is where we were training, which is 1.0 to 1.3. And that's where you're trying to basically move your body or move a light load as fast as possible. And so that's where, you know, a lot of your field athletes, soccer players, um, basketball players, they want to be training in that football players, um, that are like wide receivers and, you know, where speed is prioritized. That's the sort of, um, velocity zone that you want to be training in. Um, But you don't want to train there all year long. You want to be hitting that at certain times. And you can kind of tweak these inter workout too, because a lot of what we're working on, like strength is one part, like what your muscles capacity is. But it's another part, and we've talked about this before on the lifting heavy, it's another part is that neuromuscular control. So how able is your peripheral and central nervous system able to coordinate muscle contractions to be able to organize your muscles to perform the task? And when you train that with speed, you teach your body to be able to move faster, right?

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And

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so you're essentially like moving more weight faster when you're trying to prevent injuries and like build up a certain amount of strength. It's more of a priority to lift heavier loads and build up that capacity. And so you can really sort of like gamify it and like. tweak your workouts, even workout to workout.

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Cause you're, cause you're using this, not just for athletes, but tell us the type of clients that you use this output with at work.

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Oh, I mean, honestly, we, we use it with a lot of clients. Um, you know, you can, obviously it has great applications for athletes, but it's also just highly motivating for regular people. I mean, I think what you're asking is like, is power important to everyone? You know, as being explosive, an important attribute for everyone.

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Yeah. Like just saying, you know, you have some clients in their 60s who's never strength trained before. Maybe some females, they're coming in to get strong, help osteopenia and osteoporosis and things like that, just mobility. So you're using it with them as well.

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Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, to answer your question is, you know, why is power important? Well, power is that sort of light feeling that you have in your body. When you're, when you know, things are easy and especially for older people. Just daily living activities,

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daily living.

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Well, what's like the, what's one of the number one risks for older people? Falls. Exactly. So what is happening when you reach your hands out and you catch yourself when you're falling, right? You are, you are, you have a very fast load approaching the ground, your head and your body, and you're reaching your arms out and you are falling. Taking that load and you're decelerating your body toward the ground when you catch yourself. And so that is power. That is taking a really heavy weight and you are slowing it down and controlling that descent. So that's power. Going up and down stairs. That's power, you know, being able to do that repetitiously. So a lot of the things that people want to do, they want to be able to travel. They want to be able to be out in their communities without worrying about a fall. They want to be on, you know, uh, grassy surfaces, unstable surfaces, walking on trails where they're, you know, there's varied surfaces and things that you could step on and trip over and not worry about it. Right. Because you know, you're going to be able to catch yourself. You know, your body's going to be able to endure, uh, Um, something like that. So that is, that is definitely a big thing with some of our older population, but also, you know, even though we're talking a lot about these different sort of speed, uh, speed, strength attributes for a lot of people, you know, one of the hardest things is just staying motivated, you know? So you got your person in their forties, fifties, sixties, who maybe hasn't ever lifted weights before, right? And how do they know that they're getting stronger? Well, you're showing them every single workout that they're increasing the amount of power, they're increasing the amount of weight, even though they're not lifting more weight. Because you can have a lot of people that are just scared. You know, you start off, you know, you're lifting 45 pounds on a deadlift, you're lifting, you know, 60, 70, 80 pounds on a deadlift, and you're sort of moving that up. And it feels good. And they're, they feel like they're successful with those workouts, but they're not really wanting to keep going. They feel like, Oh, that, that feels heavy. That feels like enough,

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a little nervous, but they can put some explosive power in there.

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Exactly. And you're just also showing them that like, Hey, even though you're, you know, this feels heavy, the data is showing this, that you could actually lift a lot more.

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Yeah. So it's a very functional piece of technology, another functional piece of technology. So just as a review, some reasons people might use this is readiness to train, estimating a client's one rep max on a given day, how heavy they can actually lift. depending on the day, using those velocity thresholds for different sorts of exercise, team sports, um, planning for big events. Like you were talking about when you were playing for your ultimate tournament and then motivation because the numbers, the data, especially a data driven client is super, it is cool to see. And that little thing thing it makes kind of keeps you on track. So tell us the setup of what it looks like in the gym. Like what, what goes on the equipment or on the person and how does that translate to give us that data?

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Yeah. Um, So basically it's a little, it's a little box. It's maybe the size of like a match, a match book. And we have all these different straps that you can put it in. And one of the straps goes on the barbell, but several of the straps go on your wrist. You can have it go on your thigh. Um, you can have it go around your waist. You can have it, you put it on your foot. So a couple, let me just go through a couple of the typical exercises that we really use it for. Okay. So when we have someone who's brand new, we want to get a true representation of their explosive power. Well, how do we do that? Really? The just jumping up in the air and measuring the height of that is one of the best representations of your power and your strength actually. So the higher you can jump, is just a really good representation of that strength and power ratio. So we'll measure that and we'll measure that with two feet and then we'll measure one foot versus the other. And you know what? People that have different sports where maybe they were jumping off one foot primarily or they have an injury. They're two years out from an ACL and they think everything's fine. But when we go and we measure their right versus left, there's big differences in the right versus left. And then they're like, you know what? I can feel it. So when you really isolate those jumps, right versus left, you can really see that data. Then what I like to do is I like to measure, get some baseline measurements for deadlift, get some baseline measurements for squatting. And that is with an athlete that already has good technique. Because we're not going to measure anyone that doesn't have proper form. So one of the baseline prerequisites for any exercise is that they have proper form. But if they are brand new, if they have no technique, we could measure a plank. We could measure a push-up. We could measure an assisted pull-up. And there's ways to do all of those things. One of the ones I love to do is a downward medicine ball slam. So reach the ball up over your head and slam it on the ground. That's a great representation of power. And we're getting this peak velocity number that we're looking at.

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Yeah.

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And that's a great, that's something that we can usually show some nice increases over time, like their ability to hit some high speed, slamming the ball down.

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So when, at the beginning, when you're testing someone, do you do a certain amount, like 10 reps or is it based on the numbers based on the velocity? Like what, what you're, what trends you're seeing?

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Yeah. So, um, really I'm just trying to get some initial scores. So, you know, for the jumps, typically I'll do like three or four jumps but if they're going up every time then i'll let them keep jumping until they kind of level off for the ball slams it's usually just like you know 15 depending on the person maybe i'll do a 10 pound medicine ball or um if they're a little bit bigger maybe i'll do like a 20 pound medicine ball and just have them have them uh slam it 15 times just to get a baseline

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So you have those sensors either on the equipment that they're using or around the person themselves. And then it's syncing to like a tablet essentially that's showing them the numbers and going like bling, bling, bling every time they do something. And it's cool because you can see it in real time and you can say, oh, if you're trying to reach a number, you could say, oh God, next time. Like you just got to keep powering through and doing your best every rep,

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which is cool. And really sort of in a bigger sense, I think that one of the applications that we really see this having, you know, obviously for athletes, there's some really good like direct data, you know, even training, having someone have an injury and giving them a goal to know when they're back to where they were previous to the injury. But also just like the normal person, um, non-athlete who wants to be active, they can sort of measure their strength year over year and see like, you know, you can, we've talked about having that musculoskeletal physical where just like you go and you have your doctor's physical, well, you're going to be assessed. You're going to have your strength assessed. You're going to have your balance assessed. You're going to have your range of motion for different things assessed every year. Mm-hmm. just expect that you're gonna be getting weaker and weaker your whole life. But all of the research is showing that with continued training and with cumulative training and a long-term athletic approach, you can build strength throughout your lifetime. So I'm in my 40s and I will tell you, I am stronger now than I was when I was 38. Yeah,

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definitely.

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I'm stronger this year than I was last year. And a lot of that is because I'm tracking it. Yeah. I'm getting the numbers. I'm having this data to use. Exactly. Exactly.

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So this is a super interesting tool. So again, we use output and that's the one we have at Chain Effect in the gym.

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And there's a lot of different sensors out there. You know, there's different... You know, this sensor, we like it because it can track a bunch of different exercises, a bunch of different kettlebell exercises that we like to do. You know, you can do Nordics on it. It'll measure range of motion. So, you know, if you're doing a pull up and you're not going all the way down or you're not straightening your arms out all the way. Oh, yeah, that's cool. It's going to show you that, you know, you didn't hit the range of motion that we were looking for. And swings. I mean, kettlebell swings,

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that's a huge one that a lot of people don't do correctly with form, but also like the power behind it. Exactly.

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Exactly. Exactly. So you might be swinging the weight, but you might not be hitting anywhere close to the power that we'd like to see. And when we first got this, they didn't really have normative data for basically different classes of athletes. And recently they've come out with, okay, the top five percentile of all athletes are are able to do this amount and hit this power on this exercise. You know, 95% of all athletes are able to hit this power, you know, with this on this exercise. And so you can also begin to show different clients and different athletes, like where they're stacking up relative to All the other athletes that have, you know, given this data and that's only going to grow as like in

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one facility. Yeah. no

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or you mean overall overall like all their athletes they you know they've been able to like accumulate everyone who has an output yeah exactly cool and they're using i mean they're they're already i mean when we got it they were already using it with a bunch of like it's an irish company but they were using it a bunch with you know with a bunch of english premier league teams there's a bunch of d1 colleges that are using it so they they're getting a lot of data you know from you know really high level athletes but then they're getting a lot of data from you know, you know, just regular people, because when I build a profile, I put in, you know, their, um, height, weight and age. So we're getting all of that correlated to, you know, these different data points. So, yeah, it's, it's really awesome. And, um, if you'd like to learn more about it, you know, shoot me an email. I'd be, you know, obviously I'm really passionate and excited about it, but, uh, if you would like to learn more about it, shoot me an email, taylor at chain effect.us. And I guess maybe not you for this one. Nah, I'll stick with you.

SPEAKER_01:

But that was really educational. I didn't know all about that. I learned a lot today, so I hope our listeners did. And if you want to try it, yeah, contact Taylor. Come into Chain Effect. We're using it there. And thanks for listening.

SPEAKER_00:

Check you next. Check you later.